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Oh, it is a Wednesday, and it's a busy one. Live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So, you know, they they talk about you see lists sometimes J. Mack about the best jobs in America, the worst jobs in America. If you're looking for careers, the worst job in America, at least for a night. The worst job in America for a night was Julius Randall guarding Nicola Jokic last night, who played 53 minutes, 61 points. Another triple double after the game in Minnesota 1. But after the game, Julius Randle said, my body's in shock. I feel absolutely awful. He's shooting turnaround jumpers. Is Jokic off the wrong foot? I don't know what I'm watching out there. Listen, all great big men in my life have had one or two great defining characteristics. Kareem the skyhook, Russell rebounding in defense. Akeem the footwork. Shaq the power. And then there's Jokic, who is the modern definition of basketball. He does about six things well. Shoot, pass, screens, post play, handles the ball, outlet passing, maybe the best in the league. He's currently second in the NBA in steals. It is very LeBron redefining what a basketball player is, a versatility we have never seen. And you know a lot of NBA superstars, and this is probably why the sport is culturally important and artistically important. A lot of the superstars fly past you or jump over you. M.J. that's not Jokic. He sort of rolls past you and he leans into you. He's not jumping over anybody. Draymond Green, one of the great defenders in NBA history, acknowledges, yeah, I can stop Giannis. I I can't stop Joker. I white flag. I give up. I I give up. And a lot of NBA stars are are like action films, mesmerizing to watch. Jokic is the best book. Layered chapters, each elevating the last chapter, character development, a lot of depth. There's a little Bill Walton here and absolutely some Arvida Sabonis. It Feels like the the two great Portland centers of all time. The passing, the intelligence, the ability to score. But this book is better than the movie and most aren't. Read this book. It is all time stuff. Like, I know it's not always, you know, wow, but you know when you talk to opposing players. Julius Randle, six, eight and a load. And he sounds like last night he dealt with a Serbian bear. My body is awful. I give up. I don't even know what I'm doing here. Three times more triple doubles than anybody in the league. In fact, you know, as great as Magic Johnson or LeBron are is. Jokic is the only basketball player in my entire life and I've been watching the NBA since the 70s that if you said, yeah, guy in the NBA last night had 36, 13 and 11. And it's not a headline, it's just what he does. The greatest book in NBA history. Depth and chapters and layers. It keeps getting better. What's the conclusion? Well, he's got three MVPs and a trophy in any all star appearance. In fact, one of my favorite parts of Jokic, he doesn't like the NBA all star game. He doesn't fit. Part of him is anti NBA. He really is. He's like the book that doesn't even want to be made into a movie. No, I'm good just being a book. Here's his coach and aunt after Nicola came up to me after the third quarter and said, coach, I'm good, you know, leave me in there, you know, I don't want to come out. Let me just keep playing. He was in a good rhythm, obviously. 61 points, 10 assists, 10 rebounds, two steals. The guy is Superman. Oh my God. He might be the best basketball player I've ever seen. Like close up, besides to my, like besides myself, to myself, bro, he's incredible, bro. The MVP race is tough, man. I don't know. I don't know. Better yet, 60. That's crazy. Yeah, it is. For everybody except the joker. So I saw Jed York owns The San Francisco 49ers, a fairly low profile outside of the Bay Area. We know Robert Kraft, we know Jerry Jones, he's a little bit more under the radar, like a Stan Kroenke. You know him in the town he's in, but you know, he's not out in the press a lot. But he said yesterday, yeah, Brock Purdy deal is going to get done. Here is Jed York on this contract that is looming. We want to make sure that Brock is a long term partner. We want to make sure that he's a part of our team for a long time. And it's a decision. I don't know exactly when we made it, but it was somewhere in the middle of the season. Knowing that you can start negotiating at the end of the third year and it's like, all right, like he's our guy. And if he's our guy, you have to know that and make those decisions. And that's where we are right now. And he's Kyle's guy. And that's the key. His Passer rating was 13th. His completion percentage was 17th. Wednesday was 18th. This is all about Kyle Shanahan. The franchise is Kyle's. Kyle and Sean McVeigh, they're the franchise. It doesn't always work that way. In Philadelphia. Howie Roseman is the soul and the centerpiece. He's the leading voice. In Kansas City or Green Bay. It's shared among many people. But if Kyle Shanahan views Brock Purdy as a top 10 quarterback, then he is. The deal will get done. I mean, Matt Stafford is great, one of the great arm talents of my life in the NFL, but it's the voice of Sean McVeigh that moved into Stafford off of golf and will move eventually off of Stafford in New England for years. What was the term in Belichick we trust? It wasn't in Brady, it was in Belichick. Bill was the singular decision making voice in big spots. Now you can get into trouble when there's Seattle. Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll both felt like they deserved a little more of the credit for being the voice that led to a divorce. I think in Green Bay, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers both felt a little disrespected, wanted a little more control. That led to a divorce. But in San Francisco, there are two things about Brock Purdy that Kyle Shanahan loves. Number one, cognitively, he can really read a defense quickly. Sam Darnold said he'd never seen a quarterback like that. He can just see the field, very quick processor. And the second thing is, and for a smaller quarterback, this is rare. He's got. He'll let her replace. He will absolutely let her rip. He was fourth in big time 20 plus yard passing plays and that was without Brandon Iuk. He'll let it go. He sees the play quickly, he processes Uber quickly and then he lets her rip. Garoppolo wouldn't do that. Trey Lance wouldn't do that. They'd hold the ball. They didn't have that arm confidence. Purdy does. So you may have 55 guys on the roster and 14 trainers and 27 scouts. And the executive front office is 35 people. But most organizations have a singular voice that makes the biggest decisions. And in San Francisco, that's Kyle Shanahan. Now, he didn't have a ring. He's lost big leads in big games. And there are some skeptics, and I do think sometimes Kyle Shanahan is too tied to the play sheet. McVeigh is willing to blow it up second quarter, third quarter, and start over. Shanahan, not as much, but Purdy's gonna get the bag because Kyle Shanahan believes He's a top 10 quarterback. And this whole sport is belief. Do you believe in yourself? Do you believe in the quarterback and in San Francisco? Yes, and yes, that's your answer. And that's why he'll get the bag. J. Mac. You know, is funny. When I was. I was thinking of Jokic this morning in that. Okay. You know, Kareem was another guy where in the All Star Game used to be much different. They played defense and stuff, but. But most of the great players in league history are really fun in the All Star Game. They really. They understand it. Even if they're not superstar players. Blake Griffin, they're superstar attractions. Joker is the one guy in this league that is fairly worthless in the All Star Game. And he's the best player in the league. And he doesn't even look like he fits in it. Like, he's like, guys, this isn't. This isn't really my game. And I think I. I respect him more for that. Like, he is. You know, they use the term unicorn. He's the unicorn. He doesn't play like the NBA. He rolls into you and past you. He doesn't fly up or over you. He doesn't work with the All Star festivities. But we are looking at, I think, not only the best player in the game. Yeah. But a combination of the best two or three Bill Walton years. The best of Sabonis when he was overseas, and I think he's entered a territory of a top three or four player center in the history of the sport. Yeah, I'm with you. You know, you look at Shaq, who was utterly dominant. Akeem Olajuwon. I think Jokic is right there in the discussion with them. I know the Shaq fans won't want to hear that because nobody does a dominant force. He does far more better than Shaq. Shaq couldn't hit free throws. There was Shaq attack. There was foul in late. People wanted Shaq to shoot late. Yeah, very limited. Right outside the lane. Right. Jokic is killing you from three. Defensively, I know he doesn't look like an Adonis. Shaq was just a hulking, Incredible Hulk type figure. But Jokic right now, I mean, I don't know how there's a discussion with him and SGA for mvp. Like SGA is just on the team with the best record. They might win 70 games. Yeah, but to me Jokic has to be the, well, he's been the best basketball player in the world for four years running. I made a case that Luca for a while was there and Luca was with him. But Yokich is pulled away. It's definitely whenever you do top 10 all time NBA lists, like @ this point, he's got to be in it. He, I mean, I'm just, I'm sorry, but you can't put a Keem and Shaq near it and not Jokic. I'm sorry folks, is he 10 or top 10 or 15? I again, do you want another year? But he is, you know, I remember when Jordan was the best player in the NBA. I can remember talking to somebody about this. I said the gap between Jordan and 2 was greater than 2 to 8 or 2 to 10. I think that's where we are with Jokic. The gap between him and the second best player could be Tatum, Ant, sga, Giannis. I mean Draymond Green can hold Giannis to five field goals. Draymond Green has no ability to stop him. None. Our best defensive player, I mean Dennis Rodman was a little bit like that, you know, against certain players, like he could stop almost everybody. And then, you know, you get into certain matchups where there's not a lot you could do to stop MJ or Kobe in his prime. I, I, we just have to be honest about this. If you're going to put Duncan, if you're going to put Shaq and Akeem, all time great players near that top 10 or 12, it's silly not to put him in there. If you're having a draft of the top centers of all time and you give me the first pick, I would go Jokic over any of these. I would go Kareem second. Yeah, yeah, I would go Jokic because of his ability. Now again, old rules, new A part of what makes him so powerful is the three point shot. But I think Jokic and Kareem, to me, I mean Kareem was a dominant defensive player, a dominant offensive player early career could run the floor. But there's when you can do six things. Well, that's like they say in baseball, a five tool player. Ohtani is Jokic the modern athlete. LeBron, Otani, Jokic, you can't defy him. You can't define them by position. Yeah, they do too many things well. Jokic is going to finish top two in MVP for the fifth straight year. Only one other guy in the modern era has done that. His name's Larry Bird. So Jokic is in historic territory right now, Colin. I, I don't want to see him. If I'm the Lakers in the second round, I do not much rather face. Okay, go look at Jokic against Anthony Davis and Anthony Davis it was, I thought the last two years was the best defensive player in the year. He may not win the award, but he was playing great defense. I mean he will hold YIC to 28, 9 and 9 and you're like what an effort. That guy shut him down. And they, and, and in those games the Lakers never won them. I think at one point Denver won 12 in a row. So it's the Joker's got three MVPs in the title. Akeem's got one MVP, Shaq, one MVP. Now Shaq's got four titles. But Shaq had, you know, Kobe Bryant, come on, he's kind of, Jamal Murray's never been an all star. That's the Okich is second best player. Like, come on, what are we doing? Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. We live in a divided country. I am a lifelong Republican with all kinds of different people. You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother. 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So the warriors beat the Memphis Grizzlies last night. The warriors are on fire and the Grizzlies are melting at the end of the season. So whoever faces the Grizzlies in the playoffs first round is getting a break. And last night The warriors big three, Steph Draymond and Jimmy Butler crushed 92 points, 26 rebounds, 24 assists. And the warriors are now 18 and two. When Steph and Jimmy Butler both playing and they're a 12 0. This is important. They're undefeated. When they go with their really small lineup where Kaminga's off the bench and it's Steph Pods, Moody, Butler and Draymond, it's the no center Warriors. And they've also got a really good bench here. Buddy Heal can give you shooting, Jonathan Kaminga can give you some length and athleticism post. And Kayvon Looney give you size. Gil Santos, like that's one of the better NBA benches. It's not just the Jimmy Butler thing. They play nine guys, 10 guys. Now they're fifth in the West. If they beat the Lakers tomorrow in la, they're one game out of fourth place. And this matters. We are looking at today a Warrior Laker first round playoff series. But trading for Butler gave this team two guys, Draymond and Jimmy Butler. That can get more good looks for Steph Curry. And he's hard to play with because he's sort of freestyling. And the offense under Steve Kerr has always sort of been the adults only pool at the resort. Kids, you're not welcome here. They tried. James Wiseman could not catch up. It's like playing with Tom Brady in New England. Like young receivers just. It just didn't work. It just. Tom wasn't going to sit around and wait for you. So this, this warriors offense, it is a Lot of spacing. It has a lot of motion. And it's. How do you adapt and play with Steph Curry? Because nobody moves off ball like Steph. So you've got to be intuitive, a quick thinker. You got a lot of. Have a lot of basketball miles. I mean, KD worked instantly. Andre Iguodala worked instantly. Andrew Bogut works. Jimmy Butler works. These are smart, veteran players with a lot of basketball miles that you don't have to teach how to play basketball. It is a split second decision. Offense and squirrely guys and young guys have never fit here. Too much motion, too much space, and too much quick decision making. So Steph's not actually always the easiest player to play with. He's a great guy. You don't get ego. But he is moving so much with the ball and off the ball. You have got to pay attention. You can't sit in the corner and just watch. You are part of this motion. Jimmy Butler gets it. Draymond gets it. They have not lost a game when they go with their smaller starting lineup. Kaminga, buddy healed off the bench. Their size. Looney post off the bench. Here is Steve Kerr on last night. Steph Curry, 12 three pointers, 52 points. Overshadowed on a night by Jokic. But here's Steve kerr. The guy's 37 years old. It's incredible. 52 points with people draped all over him all game long. I've been watching this for 11 years and actually longer. Before I became coach, I was enjoying watching him play, but to coach him, you get a real sense of just the magnitude of his, his talent, his. His character, his work ethic. Guy's amazing to watch and we're, we're lucky to have him. Yeah, it's. It's really a spectacle. And when Mark Jackson was a coach, it was a good team. But there is something about Kerr's offense and the motion and the intuitive nature of it. Like it takes special player like Draymond. Green had a lot of college games under a great coach, Tom Izzo, so he was able to work with this very quickly. Draymond is thinking the game, not playing it. KD the same way. It's taken moody years to get there, but you can't just throw guys into Steph Curry and it always works. There have been guys that have not worked. When they get away from what they really are, it's the fastest, most motion, most movement offense in the league and it takes special guys to play with it. And Jimmy Butler has got a Draymond feel. He just gets he gets stuff, good looks. He feels the game and thinks the game, not just plays it. And last night's another great example of that. Today it would be Lakers, warriors, first round. NBA is probably thinking, we don't want that. We don't want to get rid of one of these teams. I'm not sure if that's good. It'd be the highest rated first round playoff series in the last decade. I'm not sure. It's great for the league to have those guys going at it. It'd be something to watch, though. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news. All right, so yesterday, Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons and the agent for Parsons, it all got super interesting. Jerry has still not spoken to Micah's agent about the contract, but he did talk to the media about the ongoing discussions. It's not uncommon for me to visit directly with players, and in this particular case, that's the way I'm doing it. The agent is not a factor here of something to worry about. And I don't know his name. And so my point is that I'm not trying to demean him in any way, but this isn't about a nature. Anybody can do this and that's told directly to a player. Yeah, I mean, he's writing the check, so he's not wrong here. Agents can facilitate, but in the end, Jerry's the one that's gonna make the ultimate decision on this. Oh, sorry. So isn't there a board or something that can be like, Jerry, you're getting a little old, buddy. You screwed us with Dak because you dragged it out. You made him the richest guy in the NFL and he ain't worth it. And now you're messing up the Michael Parsons thing. Maybe it's time to remove him from contract negotiations. I know that's a hard thing to say. That's not going to happen. No shot. Well, I said this a couple of years ago. What you don't want to do as you become an older owner is become Al Davis. Al Davis was a visionary. He was a unique all time, really knew the game. And I think Jerry's better than most at knowing the game a little bit. But as he got older, it was a little bit more vanity and a little stubbornness and a little rigidity. I'm going to do it my way. And you have to be careful about that. That. That is why, like, I feel like the Lakers are a family. But bringing J.J. redick in is a new set of eyes and Ears. So JJ Redick hire is like a really nice, fresh set of eyes and perspective that I was like, oh, that's a really smart hire by the Lakers. Brian Schottenheimer, coach of the Cowboys, feels like he's. He's a friend of a friend of a friend. So I do think the Cowboys have reached. We've reached sort of this line with them is if you're not going to bring out people willing to make Jerry uncomfortable, Parcels did. Jimmy Johnson did in the end. Jason Garrett didn't. Mike McCarthy didn't. Brian Schottenheimer didn't. Steven Jones doesn't. So you had like The Lakers hiring J.J. reddick's like, we don't. He's a Duke guy. He's never really played here. It's totally. He's a broadcaster that's criticized us. I think you have to bring people in occasionally that make you a little uncomfortable. And Dallas hasn't done that in a long time. But the reason is because of Jerry. It's not like Genie Buss is nixing a J.J. redikire. That's a Rob Pelinka, LeBron thing. Yeah. And that's. The Cowboys need this. You know, frankly, I'm actually happy that this is going so poorly for Dallas because, Colin, it means they're going to stick next year and then we don't have to talk about them as much. Yeah, that's the reality. Like, I'm done with Aaron Rodgers. I'm done with the Cowboys. Like, they're not. They're not irrelevant. I said this a couple years ago and research upstairs would know the answer, but the Kansas City Chiefs are now America's team. They've got the most popular quarterback, Taylor Swift, stating one of their players. It's in the middle of the country. It's in the polarizing. Well, and you know, I'm against them and they're in a ton of close games. They end up in Super Bowls. They. Occasionally we've. It started with Brady Mahomes and they. They couldn't quite beat Brady and then he went to Tampa and they still couldn't beat Brady. But Kansas City to me is the face of the NFL. And I got to tell you, if you're asking me who I want to watch second, it's the Buffalo Bills. I mean, I'd rather watch Jaden Daniels. I mean, there was always. Even the DAC teams of the Cowboys run. It felt big. Kansas City feels big. Baltimore feels big. Buffalo feels big. Philadelphia feels so many. San Francisco, when they're healthy, feels big. What do you like to say about, you know, and when business, when things change, you've got to adapt. Well, things have changed. Aaron Rodgers is irrelevant now. The Dallas Cowboys are trending toward irrelevancy. We got to move on from those guys and start talking about the new teams that matter and are interesting because, God, I hate to break it to you, like Dallas is just. They're like a six or seven win team. Did you do the win total yesterday? Oh, I think they're one of the clear unders. I think Jacksonville line. They're a six win team. Yeah. All right, let's move on to Ben Johnson. He had a lot to say at his introductory press conference. Taken the time to take a jab at rival packers head coach Matt LaFleur saying he couldn't wait to beat them twice a year. Well, LaFleur responded yesterday saying it is what it is. I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it. Lions have won five of six from the Packers. Well, that's because that dominant all lines pushed him around. Yeah, this is, this is. I'll tell you, it won't be long if Caleb Williams hits. It won't. It won't be long before Chicago is becoming, you know, it does in the NFL. For some reason, being great in the middle of the country matters. Like when Peyton Manning is with the Colts when the Bears were great, the packers are great. Kansas City is now as great. NBA tends to feel more coastal at times. You know, baseball definitely because of money feels way more coastal. College football feels Midwest and Southern. The NFL is better to me when the teams in the middle of the country off the coasts are great, like Philadelphia, like is the Northeast, but it's not D.C. boston or New York. You might just be saying that because the jets and Giants have been down for. Maybe I am not. We don't know what it's like when the jets are good. It's been like 15 years. No, no. We got to bring Mark Sanchez in here to find out what that was like. Final story. Colin is. Let's go to the Jets, Justin Fields. Sure. He's on his third team in three years, but jets owner Woody Johnson thinks the quarterback has found a home. Woody said he thinks Fields is a total winner and that he's been impressed with Justin ever since he played at Georgia. All right, we got some stats for Mr. Fields here. Okay. They're, they're, you know, they are what they are. He's a total winner starting his career five and 20. Well, his Latino. Let's just go to his last 16 starts. Let's be fair. So. So in his last 16 starts, you know, some of those are Pittsburgh, his last 16 starts. Because all rookie quarterbacks struggle, and the Bears were a mess. In his last 16 starts. It's fairly encouraging. Yeah. His pat. And the first thing I look at, 26 touchdowns, six picks. That's. That's a nice number. That was Carson Wentz, that last year in Indianapolis, 27 and 7. So we can say we want. About Justin Fields. Two things are true about Justin Fields. Everybody likes him. He's not a polarizing guy. Old players, young players, owners, coaches, everybody likes him. Second, he is getting better. Yeah. So if Sam Darnold, Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield were reborn in this league, there's absolutely no question. Justin Fields, I tell you this, he's more athletic than all those guys, and he's got as good arm as all those guys. So I. I know you. You think I'm smiling, but what I'm saying is, I don't think it's fair. Jaden Daniels is an outlier, let's be fair, with Justin Fields. So he's not a polarizing guy. People want to help him. When you're Jay Cutler and half the league doesn't like you, it's hard to find everybody in the building that you can't galvanize a group. Everybody wants Justin to succeed. That's the Sam Darnold story. Everybody likes Sam. Everybody's working in Sam's direction. It's not a divided room. And he's getting better. Not great, but he's getting better. All right, let's. Let's just settle. It's weird because when I'm high on the jets, you're like, dude, get a clue. And now you sound bullish on Fields and the Jets. And I'm like, I've seen this story before. It feels like the Charlie Brown pulling the football out. It's like, all right, Justin Fields, he's getting better. We got this. The new oc Ben Johnson's, like, hyping up the new jets offensive coordinator. I guess he was with the Lions and Aaron Glenn and, like, I'm not going to get excited. I'm sorry. I'm just not. What is there over under six and a half? I think it was five and a half. I would take the over. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good roster. I take the over on that. Yeah. And also if they do get that, if they do land that tight end, Warren, now you got a star tight end, a star left tackle, a star wide receiver. All Right. They're not a 5 and 12 team. If they get a couple of good picks early, they're not a 5 and 12 team. That. They're not. That roster's too good to be 5 and 12. As a fan, I know what 5 and 12 looks like, and this looks like 5. Sorry, like, that's a little harsh, but listen, it's been a decade of futility. Come on, Woody. We. We got to. We got to do something. Tank for Arch. I don't know. I. I don't even know if Archbish is going to be JMac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. You know, heard lies. If I tell you what I did last night, you can't judge me. You can't. I'm going to say something. I. I'm not sure I thought about this this morning as I was sitting. You know, after we prep, I get something to, you know, eat, and I'm sitting there and. I had a lot of fun last night. You seem a little juiced up. What went down last night? I had a lot of fun. But you can't judge me if I tell you you either went to a comedy show or a strip club. One of those. I don't do those. But I had a great time and I. It was. You can't judge me, though. I won't. What are you worried about? I've known you. Well, you're judging. Very, very. Where'd you go? I'm not gonna. Well, I went to my favorite restaurant, my slay. Slay steak. How was that judging? I'm not judging, but last night I had caviar followed by oysters followed by a cocktail. What's wrong with that? That is really. I mean, I felt like a Russian oligarch. I literally had vodka, caviar, and oysters last night. Maybe you'll get into the broligarchy or whatever they're calling it. The Cabinet. You'll be a late ad. Are you. Are you thinking I'm a little over the top on that? No, that's not that bad. I was expecting something, like, sitting there last night looking around at everything, and I'm like, boy, this is. I. Boy, this is a bit much. Yeah. Were there any, like, you know, 25 Instagram influencers? Now, this restaurant's for grown ups. It's. It's. Oh, you got to take the wife out. She's in town. Right. Don't have to take her out. We love going out for hot water that never runs out. 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So listen, Adam Schefter is a guy I trust. He says it's increasingly unlikely that Shador Sanders, quarterback, Colorado, Dion Sun's gonna go in the top three. We had Albert Beer somebody else I trust on this show yesterday. He's hearing Cleveland may move off him. Here is Albert Brer from yesterday. I would say Abdul Carter at 2 to Cleveland, Travis Hunter at 3 to the Giants. I think the Giants have protected themselves so they don't have to force anything at quarterback. And I do think, you know, like the idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a day two quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for the next 10 years, but you get it, you're taking a shot at it might work better for them. My guess right now would be that neither of them take Shador and then if becomes anywhere's guess where Shador goes because like I said to you last week, like he's sort of like Bo Nicks to me. Like this, like this this year's version of Bo Knicks where last year or very few teams that had Bo Nix as a first round pick, he had to find a fit and he obviously found that in Denver and no one cares or anybody had him anymore because he played great for the Broncos. I think that's Shador this year where a lot of teams don't look at him as a first round talent and he's going to have to find a fit. So I get people not in love with Shador Sanders. The staff here just mentioned it during the break. Is he tua like there's nothing you go wow other than he's really accurate. But if you I talked to Steve Kimes, a buddy of mine, a former 10 year two time NFL executive, the year GM for years and years and we talk about this like every great quarterback in league history has a superpower. Like Jalen Hurts, is the strongest quarterback pound for pound in league history. Squats over £600. Lamar Jackson, twitchiness and speed. Joe Burrow, precision in a muddy pocket. Matt Stafford, all time elite arm talent. Now there's Josh Allen and Mahomes are great at multiple things. That's why they're the two best quarterbacks in the league. Jacob Jaden Daniels by the way, for the Washington Commanders last year you saw it very early. You saw it late September. His poise, latent games, his poise and calm late, you know, third down, fourth down, trailing like that's his superpower. Brock Purdy superpower. He's an unbelievably quick processor and a courage to throw the ball into traffic. He's got a short memory. So whatever it is, what is she doing? Sanders superpower. It's like tua. He's accurate. He's not real big, little undersized, not a big arm, can move a little bit. I think Bo Nix is a better athlete than Shador Sanders or two. I think Bo Nicks actually is pretty cut and moves pretty well. So it, it's I, this is one of these like I get the critics. I get people that go like for instance, Caleb Williams struggled in year one, but Caleb Williams and Cam Ward, this year's number one pick. Those are playmakers. Those guys got for their size. Big arms, move exceedingly well, can break tackles like those guys are playmakers. You don't have to argue about it or debate it. Cam Ward, there's a lot of special little backyard football. Caleb Williams, the knock on him, little backyard football. But you see the superpower, you don't see it with Shador. So in fact the thing I like most about Shador Sanders is what he had to overcome. Battle line, no run game. So that's a very NFL like entry. Like in the NFL, if you go to a top seven or eight team, usually you have a weak O line, not a great complement of weapons and you got to kind of create your own momentum and inertia like so that's kind of what Matt Ryan had to do at BC or Big Ben at Miami of Ohio. You know, that's why there's not as many SEC or Ohio State quarterbacks starring in the NFL because life's easier. USC again, Matt Leiner, I always Use this. Matt Leiner barely got touched. That's not a real NFL life. If you're three or four years with great protection and amazing receivers, then you go to the NFL and it's jarring. No, Shador Sanders is running for his life. That's what Josh Allen had to do for three years like that. That, that's, that's outside of maybe the packers who always have good old lines. You know most of this, even Kansas City's had a couple of really bad old lines for Mahomes and Super Bowls. So I get the critics, Joel Clatt likes him. Joel Clatt used to quarterback at Colorado. He likes him. He thinks a lot of it. He said yesterday's kind of lazy opinions on it. But it's, you know, I get the critics. Like there's not a lot. There I go. Wow. Now here's another one. This is interesting. So according. This is really interesting. Multiple, multiple NFL execs speaking of Shador and the number two pick in an article are saying this come from the athletic execs around the league remain most interested in what Cleveland has planned at quarterback. One of them said here, if I'm Cleveland, I don't love Shador at number two. I have a two time coach of the year. I have a GM that just got a second contract. Maybe you could survive worst team in the league for a year and go get Arch Manning. So here's the reason that there's a little credibility with this. And multiple execs in the league are quoted in this article. This isn't one exec, it's like four. So here's why I buy into it for two reasons. Number one, the owner, Jimmy Haslam kind of gave his GM and his coach a little bit of breathing room when he came out this past week and said, yeah, it was a, it's on me. It's a big swing and a miss on desean. So that, that may be a little bit of a, hey, I'm going to own some of this stuff. Owners don't do that a lot. Jimmy Haslam to his credit said, I'm own it as a big swing and a miss by us. That means Jimmy had a lot of pull in that. Here's the other reason and this isn't great about Jimmy Haslam. I've used a term for years in this business called low self esteem. Sports franchises, the Bills had it before Josh Allen. They'd reach on stuff. Cleveland constantly overpays and reaches at quarterback or just misses on Johnny Manziel. Oh, we love his hubris oh boy, you know Baker, probably a reach at number one though he's certainly capable. Deshaun Watson guaranteed contract Basically, Cleveland is the opposite of the Green Bay Packers. The packers are a high self esteem sports franchise because they're winners. I mean when's the last time the packers had a three year bad stretch? They're patient, they're thoughtful, they've got a formulaic way to build offensive lines. So the packers are a high, it's like somebody with high self esteem. They don't have to show off somebody with low self esteem, you know, they put the parrot on their shoulder when they go to a party like hey everybody look at me, that's Cleveland. And so now Arch Manning. The idea here is they're going to tank for a quarterback for next year's draft and the quarterback in the article says it's Arch Manning. Well what is Arch Manning? He started two games last year as a sophomore. This is an Andrew Luck where Andrew Luck was the best player in the Pac 12 as a sophomore. If you go back, he had 32 touchdowns, eight picks mobile, tough, smart like Andrew Luck is a sophomore. You didn't have to wait around. It was like oh that guy's gonna be a superstar. Second in the Heisman voting is a sophomore. Arch Manning barely played. So I mean the idea but it makes me Cleveland would do this. Manziel, Deshaun Watson, Baker. I could see them saying hey Arch, man, look at their history. Nobody was going to give desean Watson a guaranteed deal. Cleveland did nobody else love Johnny Manziel. Cleveland did. Baker was polarizing. First pick I'm not sure Cleveland so they would take, they would overdraft or overpay a quarterback. Next year's quarterback draft class is better than this one but it's not an all timer. There's three or four guys that people like they're not in love with any of them yet. So you just start looking at the last 30 years and I've talked Packers and Browns last 30 years packers have had back to back losing seasons only one time. So they're a patient, thoughtful, you know they can draft Aaron and sit him. They can draft Jordan Love. Jordan Love can have a bad half season. They don't overreact. Cleveland tends to be we're in a division with Baltimore and borough and Pittsburgh. How do we catch up? Let's take a massive swing and they just strike out a lot. So I mean I got suck for Luck. I understood that campaign because he was so dominant as a sophomore. He was a, I saw him live twice. He was easily the best player on the field as a sophomore. In every game he played in the PAC12, he was easily the best player. Arch Manning, he moves pretty well. I think he could be good. Now the Mannings do know the Haslams because you know, Peyton went there and Jimmy Haslam's from Tennessee. So I'm sure they've been in the same room and had conversations before. So it's not like they wouldn't allow Arch Manning, the family to, you know, play in Cleveland. But it, I don't know, I, I mean to me I understood people losing games for LeBron or Bryce Harper. I understood like agencies lining up when he was 13 years old for Tiger Woods. I understand people tanking for Cooper Flag. Those, that stuff is Cooper flag should be in high school and he's the best player easily in college basketball, like easily. This article, multiple execs are saying, I think they could tank. Well, they're not tanking for the Penn State quarterback. That's not what they're doing here. They would, they would tank for Arch Manning who could be great. But generally by a sophomore year in college, you get a little bit of a feel. Trevor Lawrence as a freshman won a Natty. It's like, okay, Caleb Williams came in for Oklahoma. Remember that? He was a freshman. They had another kid that was highly touted. He came in, I think it was middle or end of the year with Lincoln Riley in Oklahoma. Everybody went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is that? Oh, Spencer Rattler was Spencer Rattler. And all of a sudden Caleb came in, played like three games and people were like, who is this? It's one thing for you and I to discuss. Hey, Tank for next year. Let's go for this guy. I would say, I'm sorry, there's 0.0% chance. The Browns brain trust is like, hey, let's gut the roster. Be awful for an entire year because so many things can happen. You lose the locker room, you're getting blown out 50 to nothing, then they'll run you out of town. I don't buy that. Let's take. By the way, do you retain Myles Garrett and tell him what you're going to do at quarterback if you're tanking for Arch Manning? Well, if he signed a long term deal, you're like, bro, we may be a little bumpy next year. The future's coming. I mean, the Browns have had losing seasons 8 out of 10 years. That messes with your self esteem. You take big and now you're going for three wins so you can get a guy who's never started. I'm not. It's not a bang on Arch Manning, but six. Six execs are quoted in the article. Yeah, we live in a divided country and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary American from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. 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