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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Wednesday NFL schedule release. Wednesday, we are live. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac. I'm going to let you throughout Herdline news today announce a lot of the schedules that are coming out. So tonight's going to be great. I know you're enamored with the Bears schedule. I understand it. I, I'm really interested in the 49ers schedule, but I, you know, it's funny and we'll get to the NBA here in a second, but it's funny that you know how the NBA, they're, they're struggling to move off LeBron at Christmas, right? It's like I'm watching these playoffs. You know who's not involved? LeBron. And I'm glued to the TV set like the NBA needs to next Christmas. I don't need LeBron anymore. And I thought I'd start the show with that. I think the NFL. And because it's so powerful, the media hates power being concentrated in one business or a few hands. So the media has always been tougher on the NFL and more congratulatory and softer on the NBA or baseball. They're tough on the NFL. Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell's really smart. It's a really well run league. I thought they made a rare scheduling mistake. Cowboys are in the opener at Philly. A game they never win. In fact, if you go look at those games, the Cowboys are one in five in their last six against Philadelphia. And this is the best Eagles roster in a long time. And it's the worst Cowboys roster in a long time. I don't need to see that game. That feels like November. I do not need to open the NFL. Now there are games you could open with. Then they have the Cowboys against Kansas City on Thanksgiving. I don't need to see that either. Andy Reed and Mahomes against Dak off a second surgery. And Brian Schottenheimer doesn't scream. Fascinating. Listen, there are traditions like Thanksgiving I'm not going to bail on. And then there are traditions. The Dallas Cowboys on Thanksgiving we can bail on no more LeBron on Christmas. Frankly, I'd rather watch Tyrese Halliburton OKC Ant. I'm sorry, I would. The Knicks Boston of Tatum comes back. I'd rather watch those teams. I really would. So it's a quarterback league. We all know Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kansas City. You know, the Bills are just more interesting to watch. And not only do the Cowboys have a second tier head coach, maybe third tier Dax off a second surgery. And so Dak has become much less dynamic as an athlete. He's a little bit like Aaron Rodgers. Now you know the name, the paycheck is more fascinating than the player. Dak's kind of boring. Great guy, great leader. Dak's kind of boring. The Cowboys are kind of boring. And I was looking at the numbers last year and I've been saying this now for two years. Kansas City is America's team. Everywhere I go, I see chief stuff. So last year, the most watched team in the NFL was Kansas City. The second most watched team in the NFL was Detroit. And then the Cowboys are now tied for third with San Francisco, Buffalo and Baltimore. Those teams this year will surpass the Cowboys because they'll be in more big games. And so the Cowboys will be the fifth most watched NFL team by the end of this year, maybe sixth. And the only thing keeping the Cowboys TV numbers up is networks putting them on and the NFL putting them on more. It's really the NFL. Well, what's the network going to do? You jam them on Thanksgiving, you jam them in the open or there's nothing NBC can do. So I, this is one of these things. The Cowboys were not a top 20 team last year offensively and they were 30th defensively. And I think the NFL is usually incredibly proactive, but the opener should have been maybe Detroit and Philadelphia, the two best rosters in the nfc. Get Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen somewhere on that. The idea that Dallas has earned that spot, it's Lakers on Christmas, who cares? It's at some point you've got to introduce people because I understand those one o' clock games. There's a lot of games on simultaneously in the NFL. You got to start introducing people. And not only that, but marketing, pushing and promoting Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and every opportunity. By the way, I'm not even mentioning Jaden Daniels, who I'm fascinated to watch much more than Dak. And you know what this felt like by the NFL. Remember when Apple inserted the U2 album on your ipod and you didn't want it and you couldn't get rid of it and there was a backlash. That's what I feel about the Cowboys. They're going to get beat by Philadelphia. They're going to get beat on Thanksgiving. I went and looked at their Thanksgiving numbers Of the last 12 games the Dallas Cowboys have played on Thanksgiving, five of them have been double digit losses. Okay? That does not scream get this team on television. Same with the Lakers. There's just, there's just better products out there. Speaking of better products, I Oklahoma City in a very competitive series. I mean, last night was a very competitive game. I never bought into this. Denver's just going to, you know, you have the best player in the world with Jokic. It's going to be a competitive series. The odds lead you to believe it was going to be, it was going to be a sweep or a gentleman's sweep. And it wasn't okc1 last night could have lost. Game was tied late. So congrats to okc. Beautiful roster construction. And that's really what the league is about now. It's about roster construction. Remember a few years ago, five years ago, it was like, hey, man, you just got to get three great players put together. New CBA doesn't allow that. All these aprons can't do that anymore. It's about roster construction. Boston, okc, what Houston and San Antonio are doing. It's not about getting Luka and LeBron and let's see if we can get Giannis doesn't allow you to do that anymore. So the story's not just okc. Congrats to them. They're going to be great for a long time. The story is Denver. They're becoming, if they don't make a move, Milwaukee. And you don't want to be Milwaukee. Look at the teams right now that think they're better than they are. Milwaukee, the last three years, the Clippers and the Lakers. Denver's not there yet because of Jokic. They're getting close. He is 285 pounds of duct tape. They don't have a general manager interim coach. It's time. Outside of Aaron Gordon, who is hyper athletic, it's time to move off. Everybody but Jokic. Jokic, Aaron Gordon. I would move or consider moving everybody because the Murray contract, Michael Porter, you're locked into that stuff. And they have value and they have moments, especially Jamal Murray. But I mean, Jokic in this series is putting up games that haven't been duplicated since wilt. Like multiple 40, 15 and five games. That's wilt. And meanwhile, Oklahoma City has a one SGA has an ascending to Chet Holmgren, has a Swiss army knife in Jalen Williams, and then has like multiple 4 or 5 high end rotational players. If Jokic isn't feeling it, this team's not. I Mean, they have no offense. You saw him in one of the earlier games in the series when Jokic, he's just got guys bouncing off him. Didn't have much. They don't have much.
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J. Mac
So.
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Colin Cowherd
And I. And I think, I think what happens in this league is if you go look at the NBA and this is what I love about sports, not just the games. I love the cultural changes. I love analytics. I would prefer manhytics. I think people have gone too far into analytics and the NBA. Now the New York Knicks are a great example, are going to beat the analytics team. Everybody loves Boston because manhytics, hitting an occasional three, but really about physicality, leadership, resilient toughness. Manhytics to me are analytics, 30, 40% and then 60%. Dudes in May or in the NFL, dudes in December and January or in baseball in October. And I think what happens is we're seeing something in the NBA happen where it used to be kind of an easy solve if you were in beautiful Miami or Los Angeles, hey, let's just go get three guys. Wade, LeBron, Bosch. Let's go get Anthony, Davis and LeBron. You could just couple up guys. Phoenix tried this and then Phoenix found out. Oh, the culture. The sand is moving beneath our feet. All these multiple aprons, all the new cba. It is all about roster construction, flexibility, lots of picks. You want to be Houston, okc, Utah and San Antonio. Boston's been great, but they now, because of the Tatum injury, they now have to make big moves. And it's not. I'll just give you an example of this, is that since the 2021 Aaron Gordon acquisition, Denver hasn't made any moves. They haven't making any. They're losing guys. They keep losing guys. No big swings. They need a massive swing. Jokic, Gordon, move the furniture. Get new furniture. And I was thinking about this this morning, is that Denver doesn't have a gm. About four years ago, three years ago, we were looking at Denver like we look at okc. We're like, okay, could they win four titles? They lost. Tim Connolly was their gm. Since he's left, he went to Minnesota. What team is now surging surprisingly in the NBA West? His team, Minnesota and their roster construction. So it is now become NBA, is becoming the NFL. Start learning who the GMs are. Guy built Denver leaves, go to Minnesota. Minnesota now is Denver. It was Jokic. They've got Ant. They've got their ascending star. And I just think right now, if Denver does not take a big swing, there are three teams in the west. And I think they think they're better than they are. The old warriors, the old Clippers and the old Lakers, they have no chance to win a title. Denver doesn't either. But they're not yet Milwaukee because Jokic is Wilt. He's literally unstoppable. But I think what's happening is we're seeing, we're seeing a sea change in the NBA with a new CBA. There are not going to be any dynasties. Even OKC, they're not going to be any dynastIES. The big three landing in your city don't matter. Advantage. Best front offices win. And that's what you see in the NFL. Look who's winning in the NFL. Little market, Kansas City, Little market, Green Bay, Little market, Buffalo, Little market. Did I say Baltimore, New York team stink. Front offices run the NFL. That never happened in my life. It was always about getting the star, the new aprons, the new cba. It's all about roster construction. Denver needs its next superstar GM or they're the Bucks by the middle of next year. That's what they are. And congratulations to okc. Their future is unbelievable. They just keep rolling guys out sick. Six or seven high end rotational players. Here's Jokic by the way, after the loss.
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Nikola Jokic
Only game, second game was the kind of blowout and every other game was kind of interesting game. We were there. So I think we have a chance and we will play our best. Nicole, hopefully, you know it's a playoff, it's a serious. Every game is different. So I think even today we had chances. We were up 12 in one moment so we just couldn't going to make shot.
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Colin Cowherd
But one of the reasons they don't finish as well is because Oklahoma City has so much energy at the end of these games. Yes, Denver has the best player. Oklahoma City's got the roster and they just have fresher players at the end of games. This is not to say that Denver couldn't have taken at seven but when you watch these games you had a, you, you could see the energy of OKC Layton games. It was obvious and they deserve to win this thing. Man, all those NBA players that said Halliburton was the most overrated player in the league. J. Mac, this has been your team. So J. Mack was on Halliburton was it two or three years ago and then he had a hamstring pull and that slowed his pace and he's a guy that needs pace. So he was not the quite the same player for half the year. But boy, you talk about, you talk about a difference maker that kid is. I mean, they just took Cleveland out. You had to be surprised by how they took him out.
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Jalen Brunson
Well, you, nobody expected it to be done in five games. But that being said, I, you know, you could just see the Cavs were not the same team in the playoffs that they were in the regular season. And you've alluded to this that regular season in the NBA. Just, just forget it. Next year when we're handicapping the playoffs, just ignore 64 win teams because it just doesn't really matter.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Welcome back. Tonight's NFL schedule release. Lot of implications for the Chicago Bears. Can't wait for some of the games are trickling out. J Mac will have more on that. So there was this NBA and I really like this poll. Every year they come out with the NBA player poll, anonymous poll. And I think they mostly it's GMs, it's players, all this stuff and they vote on a bunch of stuff and they usually get a lot of it right. One of the things they got wrong this year, most overrated player. NBA players are petty, very like provincial. They protect their space and their guys. They had Tyrese Halliburton of the Pacers who just mowed through Cleveland in five games. They had him as the most overrated player. I mean, you're a clown. I mean, listen, he is exactly what an NBA star should be. The Pacers had six guys in this series. Average double figures. And he's not bothered by it. He encourages it. I could name five NBA stars that wouldn't like that. Like Embiid Harden. They need the ball. Halliburton doesn't end up with that many assists, but he's always sharing the ball. He only had, I think six assists last night. It doesn't matter. He controls pace, he's mature, high iq, high eq. I said this two weeks ago Indiana is fun to watch. I don't know how great they are. They're fun to watch. And the NBA fanboys have been selling me on Harden and John Morant and LaMelo Ball. They're fun. Not building my franchise around those guys. I mean, Embiid and Harden melt in May. They just melt. This kid's been in the playoffs twice. He'll now be in the Eastern Conference finals for the second time because again, ascending, productive, mature, doesn't get insecure if, if, you know, a player goes off and he doesn't like he wants to win the game. I always defended LeBron James on this, is that for years and years people would bang on LeBron because he wouldn't take the final shot. And my take is no, he would get the best basketball shot. And when you're being double teamed and if Shane Battier is open or Ray Allen's open, or J.R. smith is open on the wing with a wide open 19 footer, pass the ball. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp, but the NBA media sells flash and fluff. I'm looking for Jalen Brunson. I'm looking for Halliburton. I'm looking for maturity, selflessness. And I like. I don't know if there's a clutch gene, but there is something about Brunson having played in so many big tournament games at Villanova now in New York, he's just built for the moment. And Halliburton, you take out that hamstring injury when he had like a bad, I think it was the second half of the season when he came down. The guy's just better every time I watch him. He cares about the right stuff. He's great in the big moments. And this, it's, it's. I just don't understand. You keep selling me in this league.
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J. Mac
Lamelo ball.
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Colin Cowherd
That's not a winning player. Halliburton's a winning player. Brunson is a winning player. And here's, here's the guy who won the series last night.
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Tyrese Halliburton
Yeah, I mean, I know who I am. We know who we are. Not worried about outside noise, but it's a big win, a special win. We're not done yet. You know, we got another series here coming up and we got to be prepared. You know, our goal wasn't to get back to decent guards, finals. Our goal is to win a championship. And nobody has to believe that as long as we do in the locker room and all the people cheering for us. So we just stay with it, man. Keep Playing Pacer basketball and live with the results.
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Colin Cowherd
For the record, some of this is just our culture. Halliburton's got 1.2 million followers on IG. LaMelo Ball has 10 and a half. He's got cool cars. I don't have a problem with that. You can have nice stuff. I don't mind players being flashy. When I was a kid, there was a player named World. Be free. Go look him up. I loved him. He wasn't a winning player, right? I loved him. Dr. J was a winning player. And flashy. I don't mind flash. I love Michael Jordan. I loved Magic over Bird. I like Flash. But you got to be a winning player. Remember? Remember a white chocolate Jason Williams. Remember him? Oh, my God. The talk of the league. He's not a winning player. Fun, but you've been selling me a lot of this fluff you've been selling me. Guys, Derrick Rose was another guy. I like Derrick Rose. I'm not building my franchise around a 6:2 guy who has a small frame that can't really shoot jumpers. He could later in his career after multiple injuries when he was forced to. So I've said this before. When you're 6, 4 under, if you can't shoot, I'm not interested. That's. I'm just not. You have a role I'm not building around you. Kyrie can shoot. Steph can shoot. Jalen Brunson can shoot. If you're a smaller player, I'll take you. You got to be able to hit jumpers, otherwise you're going to have to drive to the basket. You're going to get hurt. Halliburton is not that flashy, but when you watch him play, you always feel like with Indiana, there's no wasted possessions. We talk about this all the time. You watch college basketball, the national champions Florida Gators will have seven straight wasted possessions and they have an NBA guard. When you watch Indiana, you always feel like they've got a plan, they execute it. They're not the most talented roster. They're top six or seven, maybe top five. But it's like this to me, is the players I want to build around. They're not consumed with points. They're consumed with execution and winning. And, you know, now he has one eighth the Instagram followers of guys with cooler stuff, which I'm not opposed to. If I had a lot of money when I was 23, well, I wouldn't have cool stuff because I have no style. But I'm okay with a little flash. But let's remember that all sports, that's like second, third, fourth punch. Winning efficiency, elevating others are the first three. J. Mac with the news.
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Nikola Jokic
No, no, no. Heard on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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Jalen Brunson
I wish we could start with a better story, Colin, but unfortunately it's official. Jayson Tatum had Achilles surgery. It's over. There's no timetable for his return. Obviously, next season will be a challenge, Colin. I mean, it's like a 10 to 12 month injury. So there's a chance. There's a small chance. I would say 10 to 20%. We don't see Tatum at all next year. Jalen Brunson of the Knicks spoke about what Tatum means to the league.
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Cam Hayward
I feel for him. It's a unfortunate situation for a player like him. The league needs Jayson Tatum. What he's been able to do in his career has been remarkable. And so he still has a long, long way to go in his career. I mean, he still has a lot to do in his career, meaning he has a lot of time left to make an impact and make a name for his legacy. And he just. What he's done is special. So when you see a player like that go down, it's just. It's not good for the game.
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Colin Cowherd
It's not. And. And we don't lose a lot of great basketball players for a year. But it also, I think, signals to Boston. It is a perfect time with new ownership and they are up against it. They're going to be a very active team in the postseason. They tend to be proactive, not reactive. So, you know, Tatum is obviously the backbone of the franchise and should be. It doesn't happen much when a really great team makes moves. But Boston's the opposite of Milwaukee. They are really proactive. So I think it's a perfect time to say, listen, Jason's not coming back. We're good without Jason. We're a playoff team without Jason. Our net rating is fine, but. But we're getting Porzingis and Al Horford. I think it's a perfect time, step back, reboot the franchise with new owners. And that's what Boston has done. They could have. They could have kept with Marcus Smart, J. Mack, and they didn't. They just tried to keep adding pieces. So it'll probably be a step back here. They'll still be a playoff team. They're just too. They're just too deep and too many good players.
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Jalen Brunson
Yeah. So I think the connection with Tatum here would be Kevin Durant. Remember when he popped in his Achilles in the NBA Finals against the Raptors. Now that was early June, so about a month, a month later than now. But he missed the entire next season, remember? And that kind of changed the course of his career. Colin, he did leave the Raptor. The, the warriors went to the Nets, sat out. It wasn't 100% Kevin Durant, but he was a little older, 29 I believe when he popped it. He still got back to being an all NBA player and MVP candidate and all that. So I think Tatum, who just turned 20, 27 can get there, right? I, I mean he's been all NBA four first team four years in a row.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's fine.
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Jalen Brunson
I think he'll be okay.
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J. Mac
Right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think he's got, he's in impeccable shape. He's in just beginning the prime of his career for the next seven years when, when KD got hurt all. Katie has a different body type. KD is longer and thinner. Katie had had multiple small annoying injuries like Jayson Tatum is more strongly built. He's going into his prime. He's probably now in the second to third. He's playing the second year of his prime, I would say. So that means about six more years of prime. I think Tatum. I think Tatum. The decision they'll have to make next year is Boston's going to be a playoff team. They're too well run, too many good players, even if they move a lot of furniture. But the question will be, do you bring him back next year? It's depending on the moves. But I think, I just think guys like Tatum, that body it is, he is finely tuned in. He's one of the better. Like work ethics. I told you I've been to multiple Celtic games. First guy out, he's in incredible, impeccable shape. I think he will return. They'll have to make a decision. Do we just. We just take away next year's title?
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Jalen Brunson
He's got that Kobe mentality. But Colin, the other interesting thing is look big picture at the east, okay? Giannis, let's say he goes West, Spurs, Rockets, whomever, who's set up to take the crown in the East. My Knicks, maybe. I mean Pacers, the Cavs, I, you know, kind of got extinguished.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know.
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Jalen Brunson
But listen, you said Boston's a playoff team without Tatum. I'd agree. I don't think they're the number one team in the east without him.
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Colin Cowherd
Right. It could be. They've been fine without him in short bursts. Right. But when you can prepare over the course of 82 games. Everybody's a better team with Jayson Tatum, but if he misses four games, you can win three because of their, their, their math formula. So he, you know, and I've said this before, when Jokic leaves, Denver's not built to compete. That's because Boston has a better front office.
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Jalen Brunson
Let's go to the next story. Colin. The Dallas Mavericks won the draft lottery. There was a lot of initial talk. Hey, man, they could trade the number one pick and get Giannis and pair Giannis with AD and Kyrie. The latest out of Dallas is that the Mavs will not be trading Cooper Flag. The report adds that Mavs governor Patrick Dumont believes the opportunity to drop draft Cooper Flag is a gift. I would agree. I don't think they're going to trade Cooper Flag. I, I don't see that happening. This guy could become a next big time star. Obviously, you know, we don't, we don't want to talk too much about what they could do, but I think an Anthony Davis trade is more likely than a Cooper Flag trade. But maybe they stand pat. Look at this starting lineup, Colin. Next year, probably post all Star break when Kyrie's back. Kyrie's flag, Ad and Lively. That's formidable.
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Colin Cowherd
Think about this. This is very unique for Dallas. So their three big stars have been international. International, Nowitzki, international. Luca. Now Steve Nash, Canadian, wasn't as big a star when they moved him, but it's like this is a domestic, not only a domestic star, it's Duke.
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Jalen Brunson
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So to me, that is Dallas has sort of been internationally led, it feels like for like 15 to 20 years. They've been more of an international team because they've had an international star and they deserve Mark Cuban and they deserve credit. They've never been led. I mean, maybe it was Rolando Blackman years ago, you know, 30 years ago. Whenever it was, they don't really had. This is their first, like star, domestic star. They're going to be led by. To me, it feels like it now. Dirk got older, they had different players. But like, I think for the next 10 years, having a Duke star in Dallas, I'm not moving that. No, I'm not moving that at all.
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Jalen Brunson
Yeah, 100% with you. Final story, Collins to the NFL with a Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, they recently moved off George Pickens, sending him to Dallas. Well, Cam Hayward discussed the trade and although he was surprised by the move, he brought up Pittsburgh's track record of moving off their wide receivers.
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Nikola Jokic
We got a track record with trading wide receivers. There's been, you know, some good history behind this and when to do it, what to expect. I was looking at a stat. It was like there's only been like three receiver, three or four receivers that made it past the rookie contracts with the Steelers. They know when to resign and when to trade and you know, we'll see what happens. We could be a better team because of it.
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Colin Cowherd
But you know what? Kansas City's done this too. They've taken receivers that are red flags. There's some concerns and they've had problems. I think it's so distracting. I think Andy Reid and Mahomes can overcome it. But I all the receivers that the Steelers draft with drama, I think AB was a bit of a surprise, but a lot of times you kind of knew what you were getting. And to me it's like, like teams like the packers, they just take those players off their draft board. The Rams take those players off the draft board. The problem with inheriting, drafting or trading for dramatic players, it's the same thing at work. We could have a. We have a great staff at the Herd if we had one diva. Now, I know what you're saying, Colin, it's you. But if you had somebody on the staff that was. It's amazing. It can take one person to ruin a room.
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Jalen Brunson
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And so in the end, when you have one or two players and it feels like the Steelers always do that, you're spending time babysitting them and they add a tension and an anxiety. The packers don't put players like this on their board. The Rams are very much character first and I just think it creates a better environment. Less needy, less maintenance. It's hard enough to win in the NFL when you're distracted. It makes it even harder. And so these issues are Steelers issues. And they, they, they, they've known some of these were coming when they drafted him.
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Jalen Brunson
And you know who else has some of these issues? Not to the level of Pickens, but the quarterback that they're chasing who still has not locked in. Now the schedule is coming out today. We're waiting for a certain quarterback to lock into the Steelers. May not happen. We don't know. Maybe he's going to wait so he can travel more. Maybe an Egypt trip is on the horizon, I don't know. But Pittsburgh just continues to me to be just a mess.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line. So PFF came out. They graded all 32 teams on their off season coaching hires, free agency and draft Picks, and those are all substantial. We know football is the coaching sport. Most teams overspend in free agency. But you know, when the Rams got Stafford, it did make a difference. When, you know, trades or free agency. When the Bucs got Brady sort of made a difference. And the draft I do think is worth a good draft, is worth a win or two, especially if you shore up your pass rush, your offensive line. So PFF and I, and I may struggle like everybody else in America, picking against the spread, okay. But I do take pride in the fact that over the last four years I've been pretty good at taking bad teams and predicting they'll be much better. The Vikings, the Rams you thought were going to rebuild Denver and Washington last year. And I also, I think have done a pretty good job saying this team has peaked. Dallas two years ago, San Francisco last year. So I agree with PFF across the board. They like what Arizona has done, which I said, this is a really good defensive coach. And they went all in on defense this draft and free agency. I think Arizona is going to be a tough out. They like what the Bears have done again. Quarterbacks young, shore up the interior O line and the coaching staff leans offensive. They love what New England's done. Frable staff money. They'll be a much better defense and they don't like the team that I have said for the last year. I love John Lynch, I know him. I love Kyle Shanahan. I think the Niners are a huge, magnificent brand. They gave the Niners a D. They lost Debo, Hufonga, Greenlaw, and instead they went heavy on the defensive line. They still don't have a good offensive line and they're going to overpay for Brock Purdy. So I've said this. My knock on the Niners is I am seeing something. I saw the last three to four or five years with Seattle and Pete Carroll and with Belichick. In his last five years, Belichick got too much power and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And Belichick was drafting like coaches draft, not like a gm and Pete Carroll, who I think is doing a great job of the Raiders. But when Paul Allen died, there was a void. He seized it. John Snyder almost left. I didn't like the Seahawks drafts for several years and set it on draft day. The last two to three drafts that have been John Snyder drafts. I love the Seahawks roster. Coaches tend to draft to solve tomorrow. GM's draft with a vision down the road. That's why Green Bay to me drafts as well as anybody in the last 30 years in this league, they're drafting first round players. They're not going to play in three years. That's why they're always good. Belichick would grab a good guard because he needed a guard, but he would reach around, as the Rams pointed out one time, to get a guard. That's not who you draft. Yeah, maybe he can solve an issue. You kept reaching on players. So this is what I see with the Niners. When I watch the Niners last two drafts, I see a coach trying to solve issues for the season opener. I don't see a vision. Drafted too many wide receivers. You've got enough already. Stop with the wide receivers and the big contracts. So I think when I, when I like a prime example this year, I think Seattle John Snyder is one of the best GMs. He drafted a quarterback after just signing a quarterback. Why would you do that? Because he wants Jalen Milroe in two years, if Darnold hasn't reached the level he thinks he can, he wants Jalen Milroe, hyper, athletic, to be ready to play. That's how you draft. That's how Jordan Love as Aaron gets older and prickly. That's how you draft Aaron. As Brett Favre was nearing, you know, the twilight of his career. What you don't do is go grab a running back in the first round because you need a running back. But actually he, Rashad Penny should probably be a late second round draft, not a late first round draft. Or go grab a guard in New England because it solves a problem for the season opener. But that's not what really the best for the team long term. That's why Belichick leaves. And the roster's got no juice. It's one of the worst rosters. He kept drafting for the game, not the future. And so I Arizona, New England, Chicago, they're going to be really good teams next year. And I think San Francisco, you guys think I'm nuts on this. They peaked. Don't love the roster, don't love the offensive line. And they're gonna overpay for Purdy. Coming up next, the Belichick thing is getting wilder. But a day, every day I come in, there's a Jordan Hunt, Jordan Hudson Belichick story. And I'm here for it live in Chicago, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Steve Covino
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Colin Cowherd
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Rich Davis
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Colin Cowherd
Listen. Transitions are hard for people, and I'm not a real political talker, But Doge is a transition. It's messy, it's turbulent, it alienates people. But to argue our government is efficient and lean is laughable. I'm going to wait and see how it plays out. College football, similarly is going through a massive transition. The nil the transfer portal. It's wild, but it is also a great opportunity. The only way little guys can ever catch the big guys Uber to taxi is be a disruptor is to do it differently. And so North Carolina to catch Clemson has said, well, Clemson is digging their feet in to the old model. No nil, no transfers. Carolina is a basketball school and Carolina is thinking, well, this is our moment. Big old dog with traditional advantages digging their feet in the sand. We're going to go 100% pro model. We're going to do the opposite of Clemson. And that's why I'm supporting Carolina. Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick is there's A story out. You know, yesterday, Bill's talking, he's promoting a book. And Bill said he doesn't have anything to do with North Carolina football, which is, you know, kind of true, kind of not. But the truth is what Carolina did, and I respect it. They said, bill, take us to the pro model. Bill, take us to the pro model. And Bill's doing it. It is an. Absolutely a pro model right now, and I respect that. And Oregon did this years ago when I covered Oregon. Oregon trailed USC and Washington and maybe at the time, UCLA and Oregon said, we're going to have a thousand uniforms, a different one every Saturday, and we're going to hire a coach from New Hampshire and we're going to have a play every 13 seconds with no huddles. And Oregon now is looking down at usc, Washington and ucla. The only way for the little guys to catch up to the big guys is to do things differently. Here's Belichick on the stories about Jordan Hudson getting in the way of North Carolina football. Really off to the side. It's a personal relationship, and she doesn't have anything to do with UNC football. I'm excited to be back in the coaches meetings and getting ready for June and then August when we get to training camp. What Jordan Hudson is, is a catalyst for change. And what Bill Belichick is, is that change. And when he hired Mike Lombardi. Mike Lombardi is 100%. I know Mike. He's 100% an NFL guy. So I look at Carolina like I look at Colorado with Dion, like I look at Oregon with Chip Kelly. How does Colorado catch a byu? How do they catch? And I'm not saying Colorado is going to catch Alabama, but baby steps. Carolina is a basketball school. That's all they are. They're a basketball school. And the only way for them to catch a Clemson is this. Now, J. Mac, on a daily basis, you have gone back and forth on Belichick and Jordan Hudson and Carolina. But do you buy my argument is this is how the little guy catches a big guy? They look at Clemson, who's dug their feet in, and they said, we're going the opposite of Clemson.
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Jalen Brunson
Yeah. When I. When I had the website, the big league, you remember that I couldn't just cover sports the way the mainstream media covers. I had to find certain angles that would get me to get attraction and people would notice the website. So just like UNC going a different route, I had to. That's the way the underdog always operates. I will say, though, Colin, this whole beauty pageant Stuff. And it is getting a little weird in the timing of all of it coming out. Just as he's promoting a book, and now she's getting offered Dancing with the Stars. Colin, man, I. I know you like this story. I'm just troubled by it. I don't know, man.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, we talked about this yesterday when I heard the story about family concerns about Belichick. This is not a guy in the basement you have to feed soft foods to. He's making 10 million. He's got control of the program, and they brought him in. Let's be honest. They brought Bill Belichick in for a pro model. This is what, by the way, Alabama was Saban. Saban saw the change. He didn't want to wait around until it was an entirely pro model. I mean, one of the reasons Saban liked college over the NFL is he liked the college model where he had more control. And once the players can transfer and need to be paid, it's more of a pro model. And Saban's like, no, I dominated the old model. You know, Mike Krzyzewski. Jay Wright saw this. Jay Wright and Mike Krzyzewski. Now, Mike was getting to the age you retire, but Jay Williams could have. Jay Wright could have coached for another five years. But Jay is like, I don't want to be an NBA coach. This is a little Dabo Sweeney. I want to be a college coach. I built the college power. The sport's changing. It's like, I'm good with it, I'll broadcast it, but I don't want to be in it. I respect that. But Carolina is just saying, we want to beat Clemson, to beat Clemson. We can't be Clemson. Right? We got to go. Oregon used to look up at usc. My entire life, they looked up at Washington. And Washington and USC had these traditional helmets and these traditional uniforms. And Washington got all upset years ago when they decided to change the Huskies pants to white for a game. People freaked out. Oregon's like, we're have a million uniforms. And I just. I look at this whole thing, and by the way, transition is messy. We're seeing it in government now. Some will work, some won't. The cuts will be too deep, will be problems. But when you're trying to make a radical change like Carolina, this stuff, there's turbulence. It's going to be a bumpy flight. So I kind of look at Jordan Hudson. I'm like, this is part of. She's a catalyst. Bill's a catalyst. The NFL model's a catalyst. And Carolina's a basketball school, so I'm going to support all the mess.
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Jalen Brunson
That's a good point. You know, an idea for Ms. Hudson. Perhaps she could gift, I don't know, a private jet to North Carolina for for the basketball coach and everyone else to use and then she wins them over. You know, I hear that's a good move to make to kind of appease people who are coming after you. I don't know. I. It's an option for Jordan Hudson.
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Colin Cowherd
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