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Doug Gottlieb
Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd.
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Doug Gottlieb
Wherever you may be listening and however you may be making this part of your day thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd and for the next couple of hours I want to talk sports with you. From Poway to Escondido and everywhere in between, this is the herd. What a night. Last night in college basketball. You know, it's always fascinating to me and we can get to. I've just so many things kind of going through my mind as I'm watching, watching college basketball last night. But the main thing is that I just, I sit here and say to myself, self, why do people insist on spreading lies about how things used to be? There's two different sides to it, right? And I fully understand that you're listening to Collins show and you're, you watch sports television, you listen to sports radio and for whatever reason everything either has to be the best of the worst even. Look, I love Colin. That's my guy. Okay? But I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you some, just ask you if you think that I, I watched Cooper Flag last night. He's incredible. And anybody says, well, you know, he's a college basketball player, you're a college basketball coach. You can't talk about a current college basketball player. Now that's only if for some reason I was going to recruit Cooper Flag and there is less than 0% chance that Cooper Flag is coming to Green Bay. Listen, I love my job and I love what we're building here. Had had a couple of really talented kids on campus trying to recruit him, but that ain't happening. Right? So Cooper Flag's amazing. There's nothing about him that resembles Larry Bird to me. I don't know where that conversation went. And if Cooper Flag is going to be the best dookie ever, ever in the NBA, which is what Colin said yesterday. Greg Tuohy, that is what he said yesterday, correct. I heard it in the promo. I just want to make sure that I did not mishear it in any way.
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Colin Cowherd
Correct.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay. There's a current dookie in the NBA who is a nine time all star. He's been on the NBA second team once, two time NBA third team. He was the rookie of the year. He's won an NBA championship. And I also want to point out he's hit the big shot to win NBA championship. Are you familiar with who I'm talking about? That's Kyrie Irving. You're like, wait, Kyrie Irving? Yeah. Okay, so that's a lot, right? That would be a ton to say. He's, he's better than Kyrie Irving. And again like this kid is the great white hope. He's an American born white basketball player who's unbelievable. Okay, Is he Better than a six time NBA All Star who's only 27? Meaning by the time he's done, he'll be like a 13 time NBA all star. Three time all NBA first team and he won the NBA championship. That would be Jason Tatum. So I understand that we get to, we're watching and like Cooper Flag is ever bit as good or maybe even better than possibly advertised. He's a freak, right? He's a power point guard. He can handle, he can pass, he can shoot. He is a three level scorer. I love him. But before we go, he's gonna be the Comet is gonna be the greatest dookie ever. Like I know we operate on this assumption that Grant Hill was likely to be the best Duke he ever. Unfortunately injuries befell him. Is that right? Is that befell him? I don't know if that's actually a word, but it is for now. The reality is who. That's a big ask for a kid. Big, big, big ask for a player. Okay, so let's get to what, what really matters. I love the discussion about how basketball used to be because neither of these things are true. You know how we always sometimes will say both of these things can in fact be true. Neither of these things are true in that Giannis Antenna Kupo would not score 250 points in any sort of NBA game if he played in the 70s or 80s. I just, it's one thing to say, hey, the athletes are better and more skilled now than they've ever been and we've evolved as players. Where previously in his life Giannis would have been, he would have been a center in the NBA or a power forward and now he's essentially a point guard. So he would not have scored two or three. And you cannot tell me that watching Alabama make 25 of 51 threes that you yearned for the mid range. Man, I just miss old basketball. I don't. And I played older basketball. I watched it again. I'm not saying those guys aren't great. Matter of fact, the thing that absolutely, positively pisses me off about guys like J.J. redick is J.J. redick accident, always. Like Larry Bird's not one of the great three point shooters of all time. Bull. It wasn't considered a great shot, but when he shot the ball, he was the best at doing it for a star player. So if Al Horford can go from making 10 threes his first six years in the NBA to being a high level three point shooter. Do you think Larry effing Bird, who won the three point shooting contest with a shooting shirt on, shooting jacket on, and told everybody which one of you guys are coming in second, do you think he couldn't have been an elite three point shooter again? The, the idea that Giannis would have scored 250. The arrogance of LeBron, the arrogance of JJ to act like those guys couldn't. What's the kid's term? Level up. Come on, dude. Like Brook Lopez can shoot threes, but Michael Jordan and Chris Mullen and, and Larry Bird couldn't? Of course they could. On the other hand, I will side with the new generation and think all of you people, and I will say, you people who insist the mid range. Where's the mid range? I don't like watching new age basketball, okay? So here's what you do. I want you to go to baseball people and go, why don't you bunt anymore? Why don't you bunt? Or hey, let's just, let's just go back to all the inefficient methods of doing anything, right? All the inefficients. Instead of group emails, let's hand write out notes to everyone. By the way, part of my job as a basketball coach is I do write thank you notes. My hand gets so tired. You want to talk about suburban grit, my ability to sign autographs and write notes on a regular basis. I almost feel like I'm an arthritic old man. But really, it's just my hand. I can text and tweet and do whatever for days. I can talk on the phone for hours. You asked me to write two thank you notes. I'm like, I feel like I got carpal tunnel. But would anybody like to go back to the days handwritten, everything? No. No. Hey, here's what I want you to do. Let's go back to the days of landlines and no call waiting. You remember when you got the first time? You got party line. Okay, listen, cover up your mouth, don't be breathing. I'll ask her if she likes you, right? You're all a bunch of liars. It well and newer doesn't always mean better, but it definitely means more efficient. More efficient is everything in business. Don't work harder, work smarter. And then there's the complete misconception of, well, it's a shot that's closer to the basket, so you gotta make it at a better rate. Let me ask you something. Do you guys know what the. An elbow. The elbow jump shot is an elbow jump shot. The elbow is where the lane line, that's where the guy stand. You know where the lane line is, right. And the free throw line come together. Right. That spot. Some people call it the short 17, some people call it the elbow. I don't know what else it's called. I've always been told it's the elbow, but I've heard some people say short 17. It's a 17 foot shot from there and nobody stands on the actual elbow. So a 17 to 19 foot shot. In the NBA, the best players in the world, and I'm talking about from Kobe Bryant to Kevin Durant, but the current best NBA players, Kevin Durant, DeMar DeRozan, who's the best mid range shooter in the NBA, put it all in. All the NBA players, do you know what they shoot from the elbow from 17 to 19ft? 37% is the number. Is that an efficient shot? No. If you're going to shoot a shot inside the lane, an efficient shot is over that of 50% as opposed to 33% being the barrier for a three point shot. How do they know? Well, because they do math. Now it doesn't mean it's just like sports radio right there is gray. It doesn't mean you never take an open mid range shot. It doesn't mean you only, but for the most part, 95%. I mean really, that there's actually a different percentile, Right? But if you watched last night against Alabama and I'll grant you there, they were unbelievably efficient. They shot at a rate that you, I have never seen before collectively as a team at a game of that level. It was like Pleasantville. You remember the first part of Pleasantville when it was black and white, right before it went color and every shot went in. That's what it had to feel like. If you're like byu, BYU is like, dude, we're actually pretty good and we have no ability to stop Mark Sears in the Crimson Tide. But I'd love mid range guy to be like, hey, I, they should have. I, I didn't enjoy watching that. I want mid range jump shots. I yearn for the days of Kazi Russell dribbling and backing a guy down and shooting a finger roll from 17ft. Go back and watch old NCAA tournament games. Go back and watch old NBA games. Now of course it's not true that giannis would score 250 points because back in the 70s you would have a power forward in lane and A center in the lane. There wasn't space to just back guys down. And the game was officiated differently as well. And again, if we put. If we put him back, then do all the former players get the diet and the weight training that he gets now? And flying on private, private planes and sleeping in cryo chambers so he takes care of his body? Of course not. Even then, the bodies were big and strong. Imagine if they lift modern day weights like, are we comparing comparables? The rules are different, the outfits are different, the bodies are different, everything's different. And yet we're saying, hey, if you parachute in yum. Now against them, then with whose rules he scores 250. No, that's. That's laughably embarrassing to say, but on the other hand, let's not act like the inefficiencies of the past are something that should draw us in and make us yearn for it in the future. Just not. Nobody wants to handwrite notes anymore. They just don't. I mean, look, not everybody, apparently in Washington can handle the old group text, but generally a group text gets things done quite well. Thank you very much. Right. I'm Doug Gottlieb, in for calling. This is the Herd FOX Sports Radio iHeartradio app. This is, in case you missed it, this was LeBron earlier this week on McAfee talking about Giannis. You try to tell me Giannis wouldn't be able to play an NBA game in the 70s.
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Richard Patino
He wouldn't be able to do.
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Doug Gottlieb
Neither would you. Neither would you. Giannis Antetokounmpo would have 250 points in a game in the 70s. 250. 250 points. Come on, dude. And by the way, LeBron, in your effort to settle scores, and like, we can get into why that conversation even happened, but he scored 250 points, right? There's two other guys in the lane. There aren't guys standing outside the three point line because there was no three point line. The real world doesn't have all or nothing. It has a lot of gray. It's not that Giannis would have stunk or he would have scored 250 points. The truth is way more towards the middle. And while I know Giannis Wood, I mean, again, he looks like a smaller Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt Chamberlain was an unbelievable athlete. Oscar Robertson was an unbelievable athlete. The three point line had not been introduced, let alone guys being told these are better shots because of analytics. So which is it? No, we just say these things to make. Make us feel better either about the past game or the current game? The reality is, if you watched Alabama play last night, there isn't a single solitary, non mouth breathing human being that goes, you know, I know they made 25 of 51 point threes, but I just, I just wanted them to take, you know, a midi fade away a la Kobe mid range. No, no, math works, it just does, right? Math works. It just does. Sometimes it defies the normal thought process of human beings. I'm watching that, that earthquake in Thailand earlier today, right? And you're looking at buildings swaying and not coming down or whatever, despite it's like a 7.7. And then you look at some of these old buildings built in the 1920s, 1930s, where they thought the more cement the better. Right. Because common logic would lead you to believe that the heavier the building, the less likely it is to crumble, correct? Yeah. Well, ask anybody in la. Those buildings are light. Those buildings sway. If there's an earthquake, they're going to move like seven or eight feet, which again, the video tells me don't ever get on a rooftop pool, ever, ever. Period. Stop. I don't care the likelihood of an earthquake. If there's a. If you're on a 50th floor building and there's a bunch of supermodels out there, they're in Bikin, I ain't getting that pool. I'm going to watch, I'm going to watch behind the windows because I just saw that video. But math works. It explains it. It makes it easy, it makes it more efficient. They found that lighter and oftentimes less materials move okay with the earthquake. I understand you think a shot closer to the basket is a better shot, right? That's common. Like, well, the closer I get, the more likely I am to make it. Yes. But when they give you another point for being two or three steps back further, it's actually better to be two or step three steps back further. Unless you're right at the rim where you have a higher percentage of making it and you can get fouled, which gives you even more efficiency. Any of these people, and that includes my friend Charles Barkley who tells me they yearn for the older olden days, are just simply trying to pat themselves in the back over how great they were. And they were great in a different era, stop doing it. If you watched Alabama, you're like, that was pretty cool. Speaking of pretty cool, coming up next in the herd, I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin Richard Patino. He builds New Mexico into a winner and now he's in the same league as his dad. What is the process like of coaching while negotiations are happening with your agent? And how much do you know? When do you know? Well, ask it all to him. That's upcoming. Next in the Herd Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Gottlieb for Collins the Herd. Fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app. Some of you may heard I'm also a head coach now in Division 1 basketball, Green Bay. So just like every other coach, I'm in portal combat mode. Portal combat, yeah. And in, in something that makes absolutely no sense, basketball's portal open Monday and yet we still have basketball games being played on my television. It's not just the NCAA tournament. There's the, the CBI just finished. Congrats to Illinois State. I don't know, but there's the nit, which is still ongoing. And there's the, the other one, the crown that's on Fox Sports 1. I have no idea who's even going to play for those teams because so many of those kids have entered the real portal or the dark portal, which is, or the pre Portland, which is like pre boarding. How do you board a plane before you board a plane? I'm not really sure. Anyway, to help us kind of figure it out and to celebrate his new job is the now new head coach of Xavier, who is also the sitting Mountain West Conference coach of the year. He coached the Lobos to the Mountain West Conference regular season championship this year. So now, formerly of New Mexico, now Xavier is Richard Patino and he joins us in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Richard, how are you doing?
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Richard Patino
Good. Doug, how are you?
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Doug Gottlieb
I'm great, man. I'm great. You know, it's interesting. We talked after you lost your job in Minnesota and then you get a chance to go to a place like New Mexico. What was the experience like last time you switched jobs going from Minnesota to New Mexico in terms of kind of onboarding and getting that thing going?
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Richard Patino
Yeah, I would say substantially different. Right. Emotional on both sides of it. But I think more than anything, new opportunities, you know, I learned from both, you know, New Mexico, I didn't have a great feel for the Area by any means, and spent eight years of, you know, really enjoyed Minnesota, but was looking forward to it, you know, so learned a lot in both and just get better and better, you know, And I think Xavier is a great opportunity and excited about it. So. But, you know, all the moving and you got kids and all that, that can be very stressful for everybody. So trying to put together a roster, trying to figure out moving and transitioning and all that, but it's a great opportunity.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, so now you're killing it in New Mexico. You guys have an unbelievable following. Donovan Dent, an unbelievable player that had been with you for a couple years, and you're going to the NCAA tournament, and yet there's all this, you know, all of a sudden, the Xavier job comes open because Sean Miller, even though he was coaching against Texas, it seemed like everybody in the business knew he was leaving for Texas. What's that like to manage all that? Right? Because again, you're managing your roster, the potential for your future roster in New Mexico. There's whispers about this other job. Okay. And then you got to figure out, all right, my wife, kids, family, all that stuff, and potentially moving and, oh, yeah, by the way, you had your team playing in the NCAA tournament. How'd you manage all that?
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Richard Patino
You know, it's a lot. I know the coaches are bad guys. I know a good friend of mine, Kevin Willard, is dealing with it right now. Whether you could, say, handle it differently or whatever, I don't know. But coaches are being put in a tough spot. I mean, not that I want people to feel sorry for us by any means, but schools are starting earlier and earlier because of the portal. You know, when people reach out doesn't mean that you're interviewing by any means or you're spending the whole day away from your program, but you certainly want to see what, you know, these people are talking about. For the Xavier experience, it really all happened after the season. Now, I had some other kind of balls in the air, so to speak, but I was not going to leave New Mexico unless it felt right. And, you know, when Xavier reached out, that was one like, okay, I can be back closer to my family. I can be in the Big east, which I truly believe with this new model of not sharing rev share with football is an advantage. I love the Big East. I grew up with it, so it felt right. It really did. So, you know, it's all the rumors and all that, some of it's true, some of it was not, but it wasn't real hard to lock in on the season and just, you know, just. Just stay in the moment more than anything.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, so now you take over a new job at Xavier. This is your fourth job. Right. Fourth job that you've had. What's the process like now as opposed to the other three? Right. There wasn't the full portal when you got to New Mexico. There wasn't any of this when you got to Minnesota. And obviously when you get to fiu. What's the process like now for you?
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Richard Patino
Yeah, I mean, way different as it pertains to recruiting. I don't even know if you call recruiting anymore. I mean, it's just, you know, fiu. There was no transfer deal, so you really, really were trying to establish a culture and not even worry about wins and losses. And we got some good transfers that we like sitting out. Minnesota was the traditional recruiting New Mexico. When I got here, you weren't allowed to go recruiting because of the pandemic. So we added a bunch of players off of Zooms. But those last three years were where we really excelled. Were. And I own Transfer Portal. So we've got a body of work in the new profession that we're in of even. Okay. Donovan is the number one transfer in the country right now. JT Toppin is the number one in the country out of our program. Go to Texas Tech. So I think we have a body of work of we have won in this deal. We've got some really good players that we've recruited and developed, but it's all about right now, it's about Zooms. It's about putting together your staff, you know, so we've got. It seems daunting because you're really taking over a new roster, but everybody's going to have to deal with this right now. So it's about kind of spending your money wisely and evaluating properly and, you know, just. Just turning over every stone, so to speak, and figuring out.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, it's super interesting you mentioned that you don't have to revenue share with football, but you also don't have maybe the revenue or possibly the reach of football. Okay. And we're watching. We're watching the haves and the have nots. Right. Like you being a part of it. Like, we're not. We're not even in the ballpark. Right. The Mountain west is kind of in that. Curious has been really successful. Is, you know, New Mexico incredibly well supported. But there's always going to be a difference between New Mexico and the Big east and then a chasm between New Mexico and the SEC and Big Ten where do you think the Big east settles in regards to the comparison? And I always of how much you have in the, in the bank.
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Richard Patino
It's really, really difficult to figure that out. You know, I, I did have conversations with some schools with football and just trying. Everybody has no idea what the future holds. I think the Big east is in an amazing position of strength because they don't have a cap. You know, Nobody is spending 20.5 million on men's basketball or women's basketball. Right. So, you know, the growth opportunities for all of these programs with no football I think are phenomenal. And that was appealing. That was one of the main factors of, of why I took the job was because we got to build rosters and it's, it's way more transactional now than it ever is and who knows what it'll change. But I think the Big east, yeah, you know, if they cap men's basketball at the power four level at three and a half million or whatever, and then they say that they're going to really crack down on the deals, the nil deals. I think the Big east is in a great position of strength. But it's, it's like anything else. It's about continue to grow and invest in your program because if you don't, you're going to get left behind.
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Doug Gottlieb
It's one thing to compete against your dad once a year. It's a whole other thing to recruit against or, you know, portal against your dad. Right. And then coach against your dad, you know, twice a year. And obviously St. John's he flipped that thing in year two. And they, they seem to be on a different level, nil wise than some of the other teams in the Big East. Have you thought about what this is going to be like?
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Richard Patino
You know, it's only really a thing when with media, you know, it's not traditional recruiting anymore. I don't care what anybody says, it's just not so. It's maybe not as emotional like it used to be back in the old days when we started. I just think it's about, you know, how we're going to invest as we're going against my dad. Like, listen, he's, He's a young 72, but who knows how much longer he goes, you know, and I just want him to be happy when we play him two times a year. Like, I understand the hoopla that's going to go with it and that's fine, but we're both going to try to beat each other. It's no real difference. So that Was not even a little bit of. I didn't even think about it when taking this job.
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Doug Gottlieb
Will you ever get him in a quarter zip? You know, so many coaches have gone to the quarter zip. He still wears those beautiful suits. Will you ever get him in the quarter zip?
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Richard Patino
Yeah, I'm not happy about that. That's the only thing that I don't like about the Big east is I know that my dad does it. I know that there's another one that wears suits in that league as well that we got to get him out of. So who knows? If Kevin Willard goes to Villanova, he wears suits as well. So we'll see. You know, that's something I'm going to band together and fight with because I love the quarter zip.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. Richard Patino, head coach of X. That's Xavier, the new head coach. He's the reigning Mountain West Conference coach of the year, coaching the Lobos, New Mexico to the Mountain west championship this season. He joins us in the Herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. You know, again, I don't know if you find this interesting, but I do. I'm watching Alabama play last night. They make 25 out of 51 threes. And I'm thinking of your dad, right? Because your dad, when he got to Providence, he was the first one to really, really embrace the three point shot. And yet you have so many people who sit there and I feel like they say they just tell lies. Like, man, I wish I missed the old days, the mid range pull up and guys backing people down. Like, I don't know, like you got the mix of old school and new school with your dad, but your dad was the first of the truly new school. When you watch Alabama shoot 51 threes, what do you think?
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Richard Patino
You know, it's interesting because obviously they've really dove right in with the three point shot. I understand the value of offensive rebounding opportunities. Obviously threes are worth more than two, but I don't know if I want to shoot a million of them if I'm shooting like 28% from them. So I kind of think every team is different. That was fascinating to watch last night for sure to see that many threes, you know, so it's obviously working. But I've never seen that many threes taken. And it seems to try to be evolving into more NBA model more than anything.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, it really does. We circle back to the nil. What is it like to be coaching and to think to your. There's that deflating feeling of hey, look, I got my guys prepped. We're really good. But that other team has 2x3x of the money we have. And the reality is, more times than not, we're just not going to be as good. That. That's. That's part of why everybody's moving up, players and coaches and otherwise. Fair.
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Richard Patino
Yeah. I mean, I think is definitely a concern of the have separating from the have nots. Somebody's always going to have more money than you. You've just got to do a very, very good job of spending wisely. Not easy. Right. But, you know, you've got to really, really evaluate how you're going to spend it. It's like pro sports. And it's not going to change until I don't know if Congress or whoever figures this out, because it's going to be hard to kind of limit their money. So, you know, I mean, we've beaten teams this year who had more money than we did. We've lost the teams who had less money than we did. So we're just trying to take it year by year. I always tell the players, like, our goal is certainly to win championships, but we want to increase your value, and we certainly did that with a lot of players in our program, and we were able to win.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, most important question is you did the perfect job of leaving. You had the note on social media, you had the quotes, you had the video, you had all the different Right messages. Plus you stayed through the full cycle. You stay four years, like, all right, we've run its course. You won the league, and then you're out. All good. Did you say goodbye to Snake before you left?
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Richard Patino
I. I did not say goodbye to Snake. You only normally see Snake on game day. But I'll have to reach out to him. Yeah, I mean, it is emotional. I think the time is right. You know, I think we. We did a lot of great things. You know, my daughter's going to go into high school, so the timing there is really good. And, you know, the. The uncertainty of the Mountain west was certainly a concern. And I just think in a very, very unstable profession, the Big east is about as stable the conference as you're going to get right now.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, well, listen, you left it better than you found it. You left it in incredible shape. Xavier is a great place that Cintas center is. It's not the Pit, but it's still an incredible home court. And obviously the Big east is an unbelievable conference. Hey, man, congrats on the new gig. Congrats on an amazing Season. And best of luck here in portal season.
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Richard Patino
All right, thank you for having me. Appreciate it.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, that's Richard Patino, the new head coach of X. That's Xavier the Musketeers, right in the queen city of Cincinnati. And no, we didn't do the proverbial skyline chili sort of yucky yuck sort of thing. No, we did not. We not do that. We could have done Greater's ice cream, right? Oh, Greater's ice cream. Really, really, really good. Let's get to Greg Toohey with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Hello, Greg? Tui. Hello?
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Colin Cowherd
That just doesn't say it have the same ring to it as music, does it? That's all right. I'm not offended, Doug, a little bit.
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Doug Gottlieb
I mean, you wouldn't have brought it up if you weren't offended.
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Colin Cowherd
That is true. That is true. Hey, what a wild day of sports yesterday. We had opening day in baseball. We had March Madness, week 16. We had the NBA. And this was CR. The Bulls Laker game last night. I know you have a lot, lot more to say about LeBron's turnovers last night, or turnover. But let's just take a couple minutes and unpack this thing real quick. So the Bulls shocked the Lakers 119, 117 last night. But let's start with this. The Lakers were leading by five with 12 seconds to go. And then this happened.
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I
12 seconds left.
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Doug Gottlieb
Bulls have to hurry, get it into Vucevic.
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I
Quick pass to Williams.
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I
Two point game, 9.8 left.
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Doug Gottlieb
Oh, this spark. Did he. The steal. Wait for the lead. Big time players make big time plays. Kobe. Wait.
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Colin Cowherd
So we had a three, a Bulls three, a LeBron turnover, and then a Kobe White three from the corner, putting the Bulls up one. That was thanks to Bulls TV, the great Adam Amin and Stacy King. So the Bulls are up by one, Doug. With six seconds left, the Lakers have the ball. Then this happened.
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Doug Gottlieb
Here's Reaves Reeves straight to the cup. Plays it in to take the lead. Bulls are out of timeouts.
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I
Two seconds left.
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Doug Gottlieb
Gide. Oh my God. I cannot believe this. Elizabeth. I to B. On and on. Improbable. Unbelievable. Impossible. Magic kitty. Good day, man. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. I. I gotta. I gotta ask this. Okay. You told me you didn't know before the show, right?
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Colin Cowherd
I did not. No.
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Doug Gottlieb
Ryan, do you know what that reference. Elizabeth, I'm coming to you. Elizabeth, do you know what that's in reference to?
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I
Red Fox.
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Doug Gottlieb
Hey, that's good. Okay. Red Fox and Sanford and Son. Unbelievable TV show. Red Fox is a now deceased comedian. Right? And he used it. It's the big one. I'm coming for you, Elizabeth. Adam Amin did not. There's no way he knew what that reference was to. I love Adam, he's great. But there's no chance Adam, like quality pull there. Although albeit dated like that, even predates a Caddyshack sort of poll, right? Be the ball. You're doing. I'm be the ball.
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Colin Cowherd
But what the heck?
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Doug Gottlieb
I mean, what.
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Colin Cowherd
Like we talked yesterday, Colin talked about how the Bull. The Lakers have kind of. They're, you know, they're kind of on cruise control. They're just waiting to get to the postseason. They're kind of getting bored. And last night, like with that LeBron turnover and just the fact that just the lackadaisical down the stretch, they weren't all in last night.
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Doug Gottlieb
It wasn't just that. It wasn't just that. It wasn't just the Turnover. The, the three before LeBron James goes and helps. Like if you're switching everybody end of a game on an out of bounds play, okay. And at the time, they're up 6. Why is he helping? You don't help.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Doug Gottlieb
And oh yeah, by the way, if you really want to get down to it, do you know what you're supposed to do when you're. When you're up six late in the game, under 15 seconds, what do you know you're supposed to do?
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Colin Cowherd
What?
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Doug Gottlieb
You're supposed to foul intentionally.
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Colin Cowherd
Many coaches will say you should. Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
Why do you foul intentionally?
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Colin Cowherd
So you don't lose.
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Doug Gottlieb
No, no. But what happened again, you're up six, you're up six on the inbounds pass. Why do you foul?
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Colin Cowherd
Tell me it maintain.
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Doug Gottlieb
No matter what. It's a two possession game, right? Everybody talks about fouling. Like last night, Calipari shitty foul, not foul. It was 11 seconds, you don't foul. Okay, but, but three point, you're up three. Under seven seconds, you foul. But if you're up six, you foul. Hey, you foul. Here's why. If you foul, they make both free throws. LeBron takes the ball in bounds. Even if he turns it over and they hit a three, then you still are up a point. Okay? It's still a two. You want to maintain it being a two possession game, when you're up six with under 20 seconds to go, the only thing that can beat you is three points on one shot, right? And one or whatever, you get it. You foul. Right away. So look, I am far from perfect and we had a terrible record, okay? But to anybody who says that they're doing things in la, analytically, either they didn't tell them to do it or the players didn't do it. And then LeBron leaving his man to help. When you're if you're switching and you're trying to take away three point shots, why LeBron help give up a three, then yes, lack of ladies just throws the ball mountains. They steal a neck down at three. I mean then Reeves makes the layup and I mean that's a miracle obviously for the Bulls to win that game. But there was so much to that, so much to that. I'll tell you analytically what happened with the with the Arkansas, the Texas Tech comeback again, up six, but that was a minute 10 to go. And what happened but in that one, what a complete meltdown by the Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
That's the news.
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin this is the Herd. Yesterday was opening day in Major League Baseball and the most Angels thing ever happened. Why are we talking about the Angels? Well, because it tracks. It's next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Doug Gottlieb
Benford Collins to hurt Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app I'm gonna do a Stephen A. Smith correction. Lakers are up five, so you don't foul when you're up five. It's you're up six, then you fell. That makes it even worse that why would LeBron James leave a shooter in the corner and try and help a teammate out? Right? You don't. You don't do that. You switch and you keep the guy in front and you make him take a tested shot and then you don't turn the basketball over. Yesterday was opening day in Major League Baseball. Just baseball in kind of a curious place because in terms of overall talent wise, it's amazing how many young players are blowing up athleticisms back in the game. The games are shorter. They're better. I think baseball, honestly, in terms of play is in a great place. I don't know if it's not too late, where so many think baseball's boring and it is actually the past time. But whatever baseball, you know, leaving ESPN at the end of this year, it's just in a weird place. I think we can all kind of admit that. But it was opening day. And this is, you know, like opening day part D, if you will, because obviously the Dodgers and the Cubs had opening day of their own, going back to Japan. And that was like a week ago. Right. So now you have teams playing a bunch of baseball games. And yesterday, I thought was the perfect embodiment of things that track. What do you, what do I mean by that? The Dodgers move themselves to three. And, oh, on the year they won two in Japan and yesterday they won well, because among other things, they had Shohei Ohtani basically out toward right field. There's a jet stream there for Shohei if he wants it on three, two.
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Doug Gottlieb
Left field, drifting back toward the wall. It's gone. That's on AM570, the Dodgers radio network. Yeah. So on one hand you had the Dodgers, Blake Snell, who, of course, I think he's the one. He's one of Cy Young of Course, he pitched Game 7 against the Dodgers back in the COVID World Series. You know, Blake Snell wins his first game as a Dodger, they get a save, they move to three and oh, right, the Dodgers are playing serious competitive baseball games. Then you have the Angels and you know, full disclosure, I grew up in Orange, California. Orange in the city of Orange in Orange county, the Angels on opening day against the White Sox, who were far and away the worst team in baseball last year, not only are down 8 nothing and lose 8 one, but they actually used a position player to pitch late in the game. Like the idea that on that 45 minutes apart, the Dodgers win their home opener and the Angels not only lose, but lose to the White Sox and throw out a position player day one. That's the most Angels thing ever, right? Oh, yeah. By the way, the guy that hit the three run home run for the Dodgers, he used to be an Angel. That is salt in the wound. Yep, that tracks. That definitely tracks. This is the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Coming up next, LeBron and Stephen A. Smith. Will the beef go away? We'll discuss next on the Herd on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app.
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