Hour 1 - One Not So Shiny Moment

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – "Hour 1 - One Not So Shiny Moment"

Episode Details:

• Title: Hour 1 - One Not So Shiny Moment
• Release Date: April 22, 2025
• Hosts: Steve Covino, Rich Davis, and Danny G
• Description: This episode navigates through pivotal and often defining moments in sports, exploring how singular events can overshadow entire careers or decisions within the sports industry.

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1. Introduction and Setting the Stage

Timestamp: [00:01 – 02:00]

The episode kicks off with Steve Covino and Rich Davis welcoming listeners back to "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," emphasizing the excitement surrounding NFL Draft Week and the recent holiday weekend. They briefly mention upcoming events, including their live broadcast from the Fox Sports Radio studios and promotional segments for upcoming shows and sponsors.

Notable Quote:

"Hope you had a nice Timberwolves slash John Cena slash ice bucket challenge rage sort of weekend." – Steve Covino [00:23]

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2. Guest Segment: Ryan McBain’s Wrestling Career

Timestamp: [01:35 – 03:24]

Ryan McBain joins the hosts to discuss his past as a professional wrestler. He shares anecdotes about his time wrestling in Los Angeles during college and his interactions with notable figures like John Cena and Terry Funk. The conversation touches on his wrestling persona, "Ryan McBain," and reflects on memorable events like WrestleMania 41, highlighting the intense fan presence and the packed atmosphere in Las Vegas.

Notable Quotes:

"Yes, I did. I even wrestled on some shows with John Cena." – Ryan McBain [02:03]

"He was a cool guy." – Rich Davis [03:19]

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3. Main Discussion: Defining Moments in Sports Careers

Timestamp: [04:13 – 18:24]

The hosts transition to the central theme of the episode: how certain moments can define sports professionals' careers, often overshadowing their broader achievements. They delve into the case of Nico Harrison, the Dallas Mavericks' GM, who faced backlash for trading Luka Doncic. The discussion critiques Harrison's understanding of fan sentiment and the long-term impact of his decision, drawing parallels to historical sports figures whose singular moments have left lasting impressions.

Key Points:

• Nico Harrison's Trade Decision: Analysis of the trade's repercussions and Harrison's admission of underestimating Luka's importance to fans.

  Notable Quote:

  "He can make the greatest moves moving forward. He could eventually win a championship. He may and probably will forever be known as the guy who made this terrible trade." – Steve Covino [12:19]

• Historical Comparisons: References to Bill Buckner’s infamous error and Brian Bosworth’s legacy, illustrating how single events can eclipse entire careers.

  Notable Quote:

  "Nobody's remembered for such a big moment. I get it." – Steve Covino [13:40]

• Balancing Fan Expectations and Management Decisions: The hosts discuss the delicate balance GMs must maintain between team strategy and fan expectations, emphasizing that while fan feedback is crucial, it doesn't always dictate the best professional decisions.

  Notable Quote:

  "You hear them out, but you don't have to do everything they say." – Steve Covino [09:16]

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4. Audience Interaction: Examples from Callers

Timestamp: [18:24 – 39:14]

Listeners contribute various examples of sports figures whose careers are overshadowed by single moments. The callers discuss incidents involving:

• Bill Buckner: Known for his error in the 1986 World Series.
• Brian Bosworth: Remembered for being stomped by Bo Jackson.
• Mark Sanchez and Tom Chambers: Highlighting questionable plays that define their legacies.
• Robin Ventura and Shaquille O’Neal’s encounters: Illustrating how even respected players can be remembered for specific negative events.

Notable Quotes:

"An NBA player has nearly 900 games and is forever remembered for one push by Shaq." – Steve Covino [18:58]

"Mark Sanchez is a great guy, but everyone remembers him for that one infamous play." – Rich Davis [30:29]

"Defining moments are unfortunate because they're not fair." – Steve Covino [29:25]

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5. Concluding Discussions and Future Topics

Timestamp: [39:14 – 42:08]

In the closing segments, the hosts reflect on the difficulty of overcoming defining moments and the societal tendency to fixate on singular events. They also hint at future discussions, including stories about individuals who were bullied into decisions that ultimately benefited them, with a teaser about an upcoming segment involving John Cena.

Notable Quote:

"Sometimes you just can't outrun this weird reputation because we hang on to the weirdest things." – Rich Davis [38:24]

"Sometimes you can be bullied into doing something, and it's a good thing." – Rich Davis [41:29]

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6. Advertisements and Promotions

Throughout the episode, there are promotional segments for sponsors like Dollar Shave Club and DraftKings Pick Six, as well as advertisements for Express Employment Professionals. These segments are designed to engage listeners with special offers and encourage participation in upcoming events and contests.

Notable Quote:

"Visit DollarShaveClub.com/draft and use promo code draft for 20% off your order of $20 or more, plus free shipping." – Steve Covino [01:35]

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7. Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with the hosts reiterating the impact of defining moments on public perception and career trajectories. They emphasize the importance of understanding and managing these moments, both in personal careers and within sports management roles.

Notable Quote:

"They just are going to outshoot the Lakers and they drive to the hoop a lot. Lakers, we talked about it all season. What do they lack some size? So you know, hey, if they don't make adjustments, then yeah, then this could be the Wolves series." – Danny G [05:23]

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Overall Theme: The episode explores how single pivotal moments can disproportionately influence public perception and legacy within the sports world. Through discussions, guest insights, and audience participation, the hosts examine the balance between professional decision-making and fan expectations, highlighting the enduring impact of "one not so shiny moment."

Transcript

[Steve Covino]

Hey, thanks for listening to the Covino Enrich podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 5 to 7 Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.

[Rich Davis]

Find your local station for Kavito and [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. Oh, and what a wonderful week it's gonna be, everybody. Let's go.

[Steve Covino]

NFL draft week begins. Hope you had a nice weekend though. Happy holiday, Passover Easter weekend. Hope you got some treats. Hope you had a Timberwolves slash John Cena slash ice bucket challenge rage sort of weekend.

[Rich Davis]

It's back, huh?

[Steve Covino]

It is back in a big way. So are we Covino and Rich broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

Hey, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Thursday, 8pm throughout the first round, all your picks broug to you by Dollar Shave Club.

[Steve Covino]

Thank you guys for being here. Hope you had a nice weekend again. I'm Steve Cavino. That is Rich Davis, Danny G Super Producing at 87799 on Fox. And we got big Ryan, the controls on the ones and twos. What up, Ryan?

[Ryan McBain]

Hello there, sirs.

[Steve Covino]

Ryan, we got to talk to you today.

[Rich Davis]

I found out that before we knew you, before your life here at Fox Sports Radio, you dabbled as a wrestler.

[Ryan McBain]

Yes, yes, I did. Yes, I even those on some shows with John Cena.

[Rich Davis]

Well, I was going to ask you, what did you think of WrestleMania 41? I had it on in the background all weekend because I mean it is, you know how NFL pregame, it depends on how much you want to watch. But if you really wanted to, you could watch NFL coverage from Sunday from the minute you wake up until the minute you go to bed if you wanted to. That's Wrestlemania. I feel like it's an eight hour a day turn on Peacock which is What? It was on all day Saturday, all day Sunday.

[Steve Covino]

It was packed though, man. They were packed in there in Vegas, right? Like sardines.

[Danny G]

61,000 packed.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, it just looked insane. But how the hell were you? I mean, Ryan, I mean, it's obvious you're a big dude, but tell us about that. Like, how far did your career go? And what was that about? What was your name? I want to know that.

[Rich Davis]

It was Ryan McBain.

[Steve Covino]

Okay.

[Ryan McBain]

I didn't get really, really far just here in la. I started in college actually. And I didn't tell my parents. My dad would have killed me if.

[Rich Davis]

He'D have found out I was doing.

[Ryan McBain]

That while I was going to college. But it was fun. I met a lot of guys that actually made it. Samoa Joe, John Cena. Like I said, I've heard a lot of crazy stories. I've met a lot of cool people. I've met Terry Funk backstage at a.

[Steve Covino]

Was he as terrible as they say, or. No?

[Rich Davis]

Terrible Terry Funk.

[Ryan McBain]

He was a cool guy.

[Rich Davis]

He was a cool dude.

[Steve Covino]

Did he brand you Terry Funk?

[Rich Davis]

No, he didn't brand me.

[Steve Covino]

Wow. Well, you know what? I actually saw photo proof of you and your hate day as a wrestler. Big Mike, who runs this place, was showing us pictures. We're like, no way.

[Rich Davis]

Not quite sure why Mike has shirtless photos of you, but I'm not sure why.

[Steve Covino]

It's his wallpaper of his phone. But yeah, Mike who runs this place. But it was cool to see. And I know the alias Ryan McBain. I didn't know that was your wrestling name though. I thought it was like your just screen name or whatever. But Ryan Smith on the ones and twos and hope you had a John Cena sort of weekend. And speaking of John Cena, we're going to talk about something he did and the times you were bullied into something because he did something. And we'll explain. Plus NFL draft trivia, giving away prizes on this Monday, on this big week. And we got to talk. Nico Harrison. There's lots to get to on today's show. We get ready for some great basketball today.

[Rich Davis]

You know, before we get into I. I do think there's a great story and just a thought about Nico Harrison, Dallas Mavericks. But Danny, you seem pretty calm over the weekend. On our text message, read about the Lakers. Like you, you know, I don't know.

[Steve Covino]

How, dude, I was pacing around worrying about the Lakers. Cause the whole time I'm like, ah, they'll come back. And then I believed you. I hit up Danny G. I'm Like, I don't know about this game. He's like, yeah, they just got a buckle down on defense. I'm like, all right, so they'll come back. But they never really came back, man. They got.

[Danny G]

They looked good. They look good out the gate in the first quarter. They played flat after.

[Steve Covino]

Well, what did Reddick say? That they were mentally there, just not physically ready physically for the physicality of the Wolves.

[Danny G]

Yeah. And look, you got to make adjustments. It's a seven game series, so I don't think any team should panic after one game of a seven game series.

[Steve Covino]

But I feel like we, you need it. I say we because I'm like sort of invested as a LA native now for 15 plus years. And I'm rooting for you too.

[Danny G]

Well, you got to ask yourself though, Kovino, the way Nas Reed and the other guys were knocking down all those shots.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Danny G]

If they make those same shots in game two, then I'm worried. I'm like, okay, this is not a one game thing. This is a trend. And they just are going to outshoot the Lakers and they drive to the hoop a lot. Lakers, we talked about it all season. What do they lack some size? So you know, hey, if they don't make adjustments, then yeah, then this could be the Wolves series.

[Rich Davis]

The only other road team that came away with a W over the weekend, Golden State. But I feel like that's. I know that Houston's a 2 seed, but not a terribly better team, even record wise.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, but dude, Butler's all the difference right now, man. Just playing so big. And tonight, of course, Pistons, Knicks, Clippers, Nuggies. So just more to look forward to. And I got to tell you, on a personal note, besides all the Wrestlemanias and the holiday weekend and all the Easter treats that you have to munch on great basketball, just knowing that there's baseball on every day is such a game changer for me. Like every day is like nudie magazine day every day. I know there's something to watch, something to be excited about. And so far the season's been great. I'm loving every minute of it. So that's, that's a personal note for me. Like, I get so pumped rich to know that I get to sit around, lamp around, do nothing, watch baseball.

[Rich Davis]

And the big series in the NLE starts today. My Mets hosting the Phillies and guys like Lindor saying that Citi Field's been packed and it's a real home field advantage. So we'll see that that battle starts tonight. Mets, Phillies, and over the Weekend, Juan Soto turns it on a little bit. He's showing signs of life.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, it's about time when you're paying him a billion dollars a game.

[Rich Davis]

But I mean, like, you know, the 162 game schedule hate on him and I. And I think it's also very positive in this room because the three teams we root for in this room are Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, and they're all currently looking pretty damn good. So MLB in full effect. But I want to go to Nico Harrison for a second because I think he's starting to fall into the category of being known for the wrong reasons.

[Steve Covino]

Well, today specifically, he's known for saying stupid things or maybe being too honest. Well, when being real goes wrong, because they asked him, he was talking about, you know, getting rid of Luca, and what he said has people scratching their noggins.

[Nico Harrison]

I did know that Luca was important to the. To the fan base. I didn't quite know it to what level, but really the way we looked at it is, you know, if you're putting on the. If you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay, P.J. anthony, Davis, and Lively, we feel that's a championship caliber team, and we would have been winning at a high level, and that would have quieted some of the outrage. And so, unfortunately, we weren't able to do that. So it just continued to, you know, go on and on.

[Steve Covino]

That's true. I mean, there's some truth to that. Had they played well and had AD Stayed healthy and they all hadn't gotten down the way they did, it wouldn't have stung as bad as it did. But that was one of the biggest meltdowns and crashes any team has seen, you know, especially after the departure of a superstar. But he is basically saying he underestimated Dallas's love for Luca. That's kind of crazy to be that out of touch with your own fan base if you're the gm, right? If anyone's supposed to know it's you, that's how I feel about it, that that's your job. I think you're supposed to know that.

[Rich Davis]

I think you see it when there's a great owner or general manager, when they're oblivious. It's even more shocking to me. Like, how do you not know? Like, I'll go to my Mets for a second. When Steve Cohen took over, he's so involved, where he's like, all right, fans, what alternate jersey do you like best? Like, he wants to be on the pulse of what the fans are thinking. It's a.

[Steve Covino]

It's a com. It's a combination of things, though, Rich. Here's how I feel about it, and I find this to be true cuz I'm saying it. It's a mixture of both.

[Rich Davis]

It's true because he's saying it.

[Steve Covino]

No, no, because you want to appease the fans, but you can't let fans dictate anything because they don't know more than you.

[Rich Davis]

Fans dictated. Sonic the Hedgehog looking different in the movie, and it ended up being a billion dollar franchise, so.

[Steve Covino]

But you don't dismiss the fans. You hear them out, but that doesn't mean you got to do everything they say. Yeah, they're the reason that the stadium's full, the reason the team's making money, you know, the reason you have a job sometimes, you know, the fans are everything. I get it. But they're not the final decision maker. It's like fans who are mad about how the White Lotus ended. It's like, well, guess what, dude? You didn't write it. You don't dictate everything. So it's a combination of both because you're trying to appease and please the fans, but it's not their decision. It's like our show, Rich. Yeah, you guys want us to talk hockey, but guess what? It's our show, and I'm not talking hockey.

[Rich Davis]

That's like two Canadians.

[Steve Covino]

No, no, no. But you know what I'm saying. But there will be people that want us to talk some things. And I'm like, well, that's not what we plan on doing today. So I'm sorry. We get the final decision. The fans might have wanted Luca, but he may have really believed that it was in the team's best interest to make that move.

[Rich Davis]

It's a good combination.

[Steve Covino]

It was a bad move, but I think it's a little feel of both. And he has to have that feel as gm, of what the fans really want. And that's where he misstep.

[Rich Davis]

It's a both. And you nailed it with that because it is a combination of. All right, I do want to take the fans. Or for, like I said, a radio show, a TV show, a podcast. I want to take into consideration what the people that are supporting want to hear, want us to do.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, but they're not always going to make the smartest decisions. Right. They're going to make heartfelt decisions a lot of times, and that's not a great business.

[Rich Davis]

Every time there's a managerial opening in baseball, the fans of any Franchise start calling for, like, some retired player to be the new guy.

[Steve Covino]

Like, right.

[Rich Davis]

You know, insert hall of Famer. That really might not be the most qualified, but they're like, make him the manager.

[Steve Covino]

In other words, fans aren't in complete control, even though they want to be. We want to be sometimes. That's why Nico Harrison's making millions of dollars to make those tough decisions. Did he misread it? Yes, because Luka was an exception. He was an exceptional player, and he was exceptionally loved by the fans where it was a bad move and, you know, he's hearing the flak from it. And for him to admit that, you could say, wow, it's refreshing that he's taken accountability of his naivety there to not know how much the fans loved him. Like, I knew they loved him. I just underestimated it. But you could also say, man, he sounds like a bonehead, because he's supposed to know that.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, that's like requirement one of being a, you know, management on a team, knowing what the fan base, the take, you know, have the temperature of the. Of the room.

[Steve Covino]

But here's the thought that goes with it. This guy can make the greatest moves moving forward. He could eventually win a championship. He may and probably will forever be known as the guy who made this terrible trade, the guy who let Luca go.

[Rich Davis]

No doubt that means not even a little bit, forever. Nico Harrison could go on to be the GM or front office or, you know, he worked for Nike for a long time before he entered the NBA.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. You can't take anything away from his success and his resume. He's not there because he's a swell fella. You know, he. He earned his way there, but he'll forever be remembered for this move. Yeah, and that's what we're getting at right now. The bad reputation one gets. For one thing, the greatest example, and I'll lead it off and kick it off. Besides, Nico Harrison again, could win a championship, but always be remembered as the guy that let Luca go.

[Rich Davis]

Nico Harrison, you mean? Oh, the GM that traded Luca.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, the guy, you know, the guy like, yeah, fire Luca, fire Nico, all that stuff. That guy, Unfortunately. And if you look at his career stats, you're like, man, he was a way better player than I thought. Bill Buckner is the classic example of what I'm talking about. Because when you look at his stats and you realize the kind of player he was and the kind of guy he was, he was a gritty ballplayer with solid numbers. This is off top. My dome I bet you he's close to 300 home runs, 287 lifetime. He was a great Cub, a great player, great first baseman. Forever known for that one error and it didn't even lose the series. It changed the series, but it didn't lose the series.

[Rich Davis]

And just for the record, you know, the Red Sox were winning game seven, three. Nothing in the sixth.

[Steve Covino]

Never be remembered for that stellar, solid career that he had. And that's the sad part about it. Nobody's remembered for such a big moment. I get it.

[Rich Davis]

He's remembered for gets five. Buckner rounding third is night. Mets win.

[Steve Covino]

So that one thing that isn't accurate but truly defines your career. That's what we're getting at. What other examples come to mind? 8, 7, 7, 99 on Fox. And if you're playing along at home at Covino and Rich, I'm gonna look up Buckner's numbers.

[Rich Davis]

You know, I could. I could think of a ton. Damn buyer will not like this answer. Being a Seahawks guy, but we've talked about this before. Brian Bosworth was one of the coolest dudes.

[Steve Covino]

But you bring up Boss Sweetest flat top, too.

[Rich Davis]

90% of the time his name is in conversation is because someone's talking about Bo Jackson running over him every time.

[Steve Covino]

Every time.

[Rich Davis]

And it's.

[Steve Covino]

You can't have the conversation without that.

[Rich Davis]

You could say, well, the angle. He didn't have the right angle. It doesn't matter.

[Steve Covino]

It's.

[Rich Davis]

It's. It's how people think of Brian Bosworth.

[Steve Covino]

By the way, I was close. Bill buckner, career average, 289. 174 career home runs. But he played 22 years of awesome baseball and awesome defensive baseball at first base. 22 years in the big leagues, and it comes down to one moment that people never forgot. And he was forgiven before it was too late. I'll curb your enthusiasm. You know, they eventually won, but he caught a birdie.

[Rich Davis]

He caught a baby. He caught a baby baby out of a burning building.

[Steve Covino]

But again, a long, stellar career. That one moment defines him.

[Ryan McBain]

Unfortunately, I think Rich wants me to comment. I will not comment and participate in the slander of one Brian Bosworth.

[Steve Covino]

Yes.

[Ryan McBain]

Who just did not have leverage at the goal line against bojacks. That's. That's the problem. So I will not. I will not participate in this slander.

[Rich Davis]

I. Can we all agree that Jim Joyce. You wouldn't even know this umpire's name had he not messed up Galarraga's perfect game.

[Ryan McBain]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

This guy umpired his Whole life, probably a reputable guy.

[Steve Covino]

Probably cried about it and apologized.

[Rich Davis]

I'd imagine Jim Joyce even called postseason games, an illustrious career for what he did. But oh, Jim Joyce, the guy that effed up the perfect game. I guess so.

[Ryan McBain]

And then it was the next day that Armando Galarraga handed out the lineup card. And now I look back and be like, what a. What a sinister move by the Tigers. Because, remember, Joyce got emotional at that point. Like, we thought it was like a goodwill gesture. And now I look back and like, diabolical. Yeah, exactly. Like, what kind of move was that?

[Rich Davis]

I got one as. As a guy that I thought he played on a bunch of teams and, you know, an all star. I bet you you remember having his Team USA card. Robin Ventura, great player. Great postseason player.

[Steve Covino]

Nice fellow, too.

[Rich Davis]

But you say Robin Ventura, you picture Nolan Ryan, I'm giving him a knuckle sandwich, hitting him in the head over.

[Steve Covino]

And over and over. That's such a great answer because it's so unfair. It was so out of the character of Robin Ventura to even do such a thing. He was such a slick player, such a. A great white sock. He was great with the Yankees, still great with the Mets, and, you know, just a solid career. And we always remember him getting nuggies from Nolan Ryan.

[Rich Davis]

He didn't even want to participate. If you watch the documentary Facing Nolan.

[Steve Covino]

It'S really unfortunate about Nolan Ryan.

[Rich Davis]

It was so reluctant. You notice Ventura hesitates at first because there was, you know, inter squad beef going on. And the dugout vibe was, if you get hit, you're charging the pitcher. And Robin Vetour is like, Nolan Ryan, like, he didn't want to do it.

[Steve Covino]

And Ryan, big strong man, strength, Texan sort of guy. Nolan Ryan, just not that type of player. I don't think he played with that sort of fury and fire. He was just like a smooth player. He played 16 years in the big leagues. Career batting average,267 lower than I thought. But a great player. Good player. Known for getting punched in the head by Nolan Ryan forever. Forever. That's the truth. So this is our version of F1 goat. You know, you could be the greatest guy in the world. You could have worked at, you know, every charity event. You could have helped little children every time you saw him. You could be great with old people. But you F1 goat, you're forever that guy.

[Rich Davis]

And if you don't know that, that example is. It's like an old joke where, you know, a guy describes all these great things.

[Steve Covino]

You think there's someone out there that doesn't know the F1 goat reference. But please explain. I think people get it now. I mean, explain.

[Rich Davis]

I don't know. I mean, you said it's a matter of fact. I mean, we know the joking reference that, you know, you could do a million things. You're F1 goat and you're the goat efforts for the rest of your life.

[Steve Covino]

That's what you're known for.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Danny G]

Rich, you talked about the baseball example with Robin Ventura. How about a guy in the NBA who gets posterized? And that's all they're pretty much remembered for. Like, he wasn't a big star in the league. But think of Chris Dudley. He played in almost 900 games, without a doubt. What's the one game you remember?

[Steve Covino]

The one game for me, Shaq throwing him, wrapping his legs around them and then tossing them. And then Dudley being like, hey, he.

[Danny G]

Gives the like, lamest like happened in 1999. He pushed him to the ground.

[Steve Covino]

That's such a good one, man. Yeah. Had a stellar career. Right? Think about it. You make it to the NBA and.

[Danny G]

Dudley throws the ball at him.

[Steve Covino]

It's an accomplishment in itself, though, right? You're one of the few. You're one of the 1%, less than that. That make it your childhood dream comes true. You're the pride of your family, the pride of your hometown, the pride of your alma mater. You make it to the NBA and you have a great career. And you're a New York Knick and you play at the Garden and everything. Your last name's Dudley. That kind of sucks. But you're still up there with the big boys. Shaq posterizes you, wraps his legs around you and tosses you into the stands like a little baby boy. And that's forever. What you're remembered by.

[Rich Davis]

Your forever highlight is on the receiving end of being punked.

[Steve Covino]

That's the worst. That's gotta sting. And by the way, we say that respectfully.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

You know, we're fans. So, yeah, you did it. You made it. But unfortunately, like, these moments define you. And it's not our fault. You know, blame pop culture. I don't know why people hang on to this stuff.

[Rich Davis]

If you want to chime in with your example. 87799 on Fox. Shout out to our pal J. Stu from the Gottlieb Show. Him and I were the guy. We were talking about this in the lobby and he came up with a great example. And it's one of Covino's childhood heroes. This guy was like the King of children's programming made you laugh for decades. But you touch yourself in a movie theater one time, Pee Wee Herman was the best example of.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, if he was gonna do that, where was the appropriate place to do it? Remember, this is pre pornhub. Oh, so you had it at your fingertips.

[Rich Davis]

So you're saying, like, Pee Wee really went. He went the right path?

[Steve Covino]

I'm not saying he was right in doing that. I'm saying that he's not the only guy that did it. He was just the only guy that did it that worked in children's programming that was winning Emmy awards.

[Rich Davis]

I guess so, but. Heard any jokes lately? But the late, great Pee Wee Herman's a great example of, like, decades of comedy and humor. But.

[Steve Covino]

And you know what happens? It often gets misconstrued. These moments turn into a bad game of telephone, and people always assume that he did something else, like something far worse than that. I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, he shouldn't be proud of it. But, you know, by today's standards.

[Rich Davis]

By today's standards, exactly.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

And everyone's on a only fans. I think Peewee is okay. All right. Hey, your feedback, your phone calls. We'll get to everyone next. We're having a lot of fun. Monday, convene on rich Fox Sports Radio.

[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Ryan McBain]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Danny G]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Ryan McBain]

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[Rich Davis]

All right. Rest in peace, Junkyard Dog. Your examples. Let's go to your phone calls and feedback. Cavino and Rich, it's Monday. We're talking about Nico Harrison. And listen, is he forever going to be the guy that's known as the dude that traded Luca?

[Steve Covino]

I think he gave everybody a little more ammunition at that press conference when he said he sort of underestimated it.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. If you missed it earlier, quickly take a listen to Nico Harrison talking about trading Luka and what it meant to the fans.

[Nico Harrison]

I did know that Luca was important to the. To the fan base.

[Rich Davis]

What?

[Nico Harrison]

I didn't quite know it to the. To what level, but really the way we looked at it is, you know, if you're putting on the. If you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay, P.J. anthony Davis and Lively. We feel that's a championship caliber team and we would have been winning at a high level and that would have quieted some of the outrage the fans. So unfortunately, we weren't able to do that. So it just continued to, you Know, go on and on.

[Steve Covino]

How could he have not known? I mean, I feel that way. How could he have not known? But even if he continues to have a stellar career as a gm, we're saying he's always going to be remembered for that. He has a bad reputation now for this one move, and it's a huge move. So any other examples of career defining moments? I mean, it happens in life. What up, Dan Beyer?

[Ryan McBain]

Sorry, I just want to piggyback for my own sake. Within the show. I just tweeted out the clip that you played with Nico and saying you can say injuries in the whole deal, but when you have three of those five guys that you mentioned be injury prone guys, what I mean, you can't use injuries as an excuse. So I know you're going in a different direction and trying to find the one off thing, but in Nico's case, here again, solely for my social media publicity. But it is, it's like in that way. I just don't buy his argument.

[Steve Covino]

And Dan, it doesn't have to be something necessarily super negative like the move he made here and the backlash he's getting. Like, just in one's life, sometimes your parents hold on to the weirdest things and they always remember your one friend or ex girlfriend by that one weird thing. And they never let it go or drop it or. Rich, you and I, we've done 120 years of radio together and people still refer to us as the guys that did the guac off competition. Or like, hey, it's the dude bros. Because we used to say dude bro a lot in our 20s, right? But people still say that. And sometimes it's hard to escape those things.

[Rich Davis]

You know, Nico Harrison will never escape the Luca thing.

[Steve Covino]

He'll never escape it.

[Rich Davis]

Other examples, phones are lit. So, Danny, want to start at the top, make our way down. We'll start with Eric and Dayton. Eric, you're on the show. What's up?

[Caller]

What's going on, dude? First of all, awesome show.

[Rich Davis]

Thank you, man.

[Caller]

What up, dude bro, I said fire. Mike Woodson, Indiana, Die Hard. Guess what? Bye, Felicia. He gone.

[Steve Covino]

Boom.

[Caller]

But also being from Indiana, Die Hard. Chicago Cubs fan. You don't know where I'm going with this. You owe me a swiggy that I've been trying to win for months. Steve bartman, Dusty Baker, 2003, Mark Pryor, second year in the league, first time playing in the throne in the playoffs. Dude gets into a situation where it blows up and you don't take him out. He blows the Game. It was game six, Dusty. It didn't. Bartman didn't do anything. We could have won that game. We had an inning and a half left. And then you go on, you lose the next game.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. People forget. Bartman was like one little layer of so many things that went wrong in that game and for that series. So, yeah, Bartman's a great example. Mark in Syracuse. What's up? Mark, you're on.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, great show.

[Rich Davis]

Thanks, man.

[Caller]

Just as you guys were talking, I was thinking it's two kinds. There's the self inflicted ones like Nico, and then there's the other ones that happen through no fault of your own. So this one's the second and I hope I got the guy's name right. Ray Epps. I believe that's the guy. Pete Rose with the All Star Game.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, with the interview that was.

[Caller]

No, no, Rose, I believe, ran him over.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny G]

Oh, Ray Fosse.

[Steve Covino]

Fosse. And at first I thought he was talking about when Jim Gray kept bringing up the fact that it was his first time there and the allegations. Remember when they brought him back and he kept having that awkward interview moment. I didn't know what you were talking about.

[Danny G]

Yeah, Ray Fosse was an all Star.

[Steve Covino]

Catcher and he was pummeled. Yeah.

[Danny G]

Later became an Oakland A's broadcaster and ye forever. People think of him as the guy that Pete Rose bulldozed.

[Rich Davis]

He now this. He made me think of something, though, when you said Jim Gray. It made me realize there's a whole category of this that we're forgetting. And it's news people that say one flub and they could be the NBC, like Chicago guy for 25 years. They could be the lead anchor, you know, for a major city for their whole life.

[Steve Covino]

One misstep.

[Rich Davis]

Like I think of the guy out here forever. The guy out here, there was an earthquake in la. Who's like the like handsome black dude broadcaster that gets onto the table during an earthquake and he puts his finger up in the air.

[Ryan McBain]

Shabble. Chris, is it Chris Shauble?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, that guy. I'll always, every time I see him, like, oh, the earthquake guy. There, there's people that say one flub on the news and that's their defining moment.

[Steve Covino]

Defining moment, unfortunately. It's not fair, by the way.

[Rich Davis]

It's just what it is.

[Steve Covino]

And like our last caller said, sometimes you bring it upon yourself, but other times you don't. It just sticks with you for whatever reason. 87799 on Fox. Dwayne, more examples.

[Rich Davis]

Dwayne In Texas. What's up, Dwayne?

[Caller]

Hey, thanks for taking my call. I bought my tickets for Vegas, so. Nice see you there in June. That'll be nice. If I say the name Craig Elo. What do you think of Craig Elo?

[Steve Covino]

No, no, tell us When Jordan shot.

[Caller]

Over him to win the. Win the game.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, See that. That completely sucks. If that's. That was a game 5 DB. If that is what you're defined by.

[Danny G]

The famous video where you're seeing it from behind and Jordan gets the hops on the shot. Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

That's horrible. Yeah. You don't see. You don't want to be defined by that. But is there, in a way it's kind of cool? I don't know.

[Rich Davis]

In that case, you know what? I want to. Let's skip to line six for a second because I love Greg's example and West Harford. Greg, you're on the show.

[Caller]

Yeah, I'm just going to say his name. Mark Sanchez.

[Rich Davis]

What do you think of Mark Sanchez? I mean, geez. I mean, the guy had a. A career where he took the jets further than any other quarterback in the last 25 years. Mark Sanchez is a great guy. Insightful.

[Steve Covino]

So how do you erase these moments then, when it's unfair, Like. That's unfair, Right? That's an unfair one.

[Rich Davis]

Lean into it. Maybe like I'm butt fumble guy. What? I don't know.

[Steve Covino]

You gotta reinvent yourself, you know, and along the lines of Nico Harrison. On a much smaller level. Our buddy Steve Phillips never outran that Mo Vaughn sort of move. I feel like that haunted him back in the day. I remember a lot of people being mad about that. It's always the missteps that people hold on to. You could do a million great things. It's the missteps that people remember. So just have the wherewithal to think ahead.

[Rich Davis]

Sometimes someone sleeps with one person they shouldn't sleep with, and that's their reputation forever.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, it's unfortunate what you got Ryan.

[Ryan McBain]

Tom Chambers dunking over Mark Jackson. You don't remember that?

[Rich Davis]

I do. I do. You know what? I was. While you were thinking that, I had just. I was thinking NFL. And for some reason, I realized Cam Newton, such a, you know, a boisterous, fun personality in sports now, you know, really thinks high of himself, thinks he's greater than everyone. People all picture Cam Newton not going for that fumble in the super bowl, letting that loose ball just sort of linger around him. So I. To me, you say Cam Newton.

[Steve Covino]

I think that lazy play so Some things are more forgivable than others. This Nico Harrison, still fresh and. And this wound is still.

[Rich Davis]

Oof.

[Steve Covino]

Right. So I understand it, but a lot of these we hold on to, and it's really not fair.

[Rich Davis]

Let's. Let's say hi to Ronnie, then we'll go to DB for an update. Ronnie in Vegas.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, what up, Ronnie?

[Rich Davis]

Real quick, Ronnie, what's up?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How you guys doing? Thanks for taking my call.

[Steve Covino]

Thank you, man.

[Caller]

I want to say Chris Weber.

[Steve Covino]

Dude, timeout.

[Caller]

Yeah, the famous timeout.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rich Davis]

That's. I mean, perfect example of what we're talking about. Chris Weber, great, amazing college career. Great NBA career. Guy calls a timeout when there's no timeouts. That's his. That's the lead.

[Steve Covino]

Those are lasting images, lasting memories. And you got to figure out. Here's the key. Figure out a way to erase it.

[Rich Davis]

Please.

[Steve Covino]

There's got to be a way.

[Rich Davis]

All right, Dan Beyer. What's doing, buddy?

[Ryan McBain]

Nico Harrison still has a job as a gm. That's not the case with Landry Fields fired today by the Atlanta Hawks as their general manager. Just one of a few moves in the NBA. Duke freshman forward Cooper Flag announced his intentions to enter the 2025 NBA Draft. He was the consensus player of the year in college hoops in his only season in college basketball. Led Duke to a final four, a unanimous first team All American. And Cooper Flag's likely to be the first overall pick in the draft come late June. Bucks guard Damian Lillard's been upgraded to questionable to play in tomorrow's game two against the Pacers. Game two's tonight in the NBA playoffs. Pistons at the Knicks, 7:30 Eastern time. Clippers at the Nuggets, 10:00 Eastern. Walker Bueller went seven and struck out nine. Got his third win of the season as the Red Sox won over The White Sox 4 2. On this Patriots Day bunch of news from the NFL. The Eagles and center Cam Jurgens agreed to terms on a four year extension worth $68 million. Jets picked up the fifth year options on all of their 2022 first round picks. That sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson and Jermaine Johnson and Rich Mike Silver of the athletics as the 49ers are far apart on extension talks with tight end George Kittle. And there have been no substantial, substantial talks. That is on a new deal for linebacker Fred Warner. As for Brock Purdy's deal going to be north of $50 million as the sides continue to.

[Steve Covino]

No, that.

[Rich Davis]

See, everything you said there makes. Hurts my feelings. Just told me. They're far apart on Kittle and Warner. And Brock's gonna make over 50. Good night. It's over. My Niners lost their window. If they can't figure this out. Window closed. And I hate to say that. Oh, Fred Warner and George Kittle are so much more important than Brock Purdy in this bigger situation.

[Steve Covino]

Sorry, Rich.

[Rich Davis]

That's right, buddy.

[Steve Covino]

Sorry about that, man.

[Rich Davis]

Hey, thanks, Tim. Buyer.

[Steve Covino]

Sorry. Thanks, DB we'll take the rest of your phone calls and feedback next. Again, the Nico Harrison moments in your life. And you F1 goat. You're forever that person you are. 87799 on Fox and of course at Covino and all right now, is your.

[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Ryan McBain]

Yeah, guys, I wanted to. I didn't give you my nominee and I thought that the caller hit it on the head. There's some stuff that happened to you and some stuff that you do. P.J. carlissimo was a great college basketball coach at Seton Hall. Led him to a national championship game called Games for years. He'll always be known as the guy that was choked by Latrell Sprewell. Like the coach that was choked by. And to no fault of his own, except probably yelled at him too much. But whenever you end up bringing up, that name always pops up.

[Steve Covino]

That's the unfortunate side. Yeah. When you're on the receiving end of it.

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[Steve Covino]

Yeah. Nico Harrison brought this upon himself for being naive to not even know that it would be this impactful. Right. By his own admission, Let me ask you this. And then there's people like Dan Byer brought up where. Like Michael Moore, the boxer. He's not known for being a heavyweight champion. He's known for being knocked out by George Foreman, the oldest heavyweight champion in the world.

[Rich Davis]

But he brought up a coach. I was gonna say. Tell me what you picture when I say Van Gundy.

[Steve Covino]

He's holding onto the leg of. Who was it?

[Rich Davis]

Alonzo Mourning.

[Steve Covino]

Alonzo Mourning's leg? Yeah. With his hair flopping around.

[Rich Davis]

So sometimes it's those moments, like, man.

[Steve Covino]

But on a lighter level, too. Like I said, remember your parents hold on to weird things. One time. You know my example? One time when I was a kid, I told my mom I liked the Rick Astley song. One time.

[Rich Davis]

Never gonna give you hope.

[Steve Covino]

And my mom's never gonna stop bringing it up.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, Stephen loves Rick Astley. Never gonna give, never gonna give.

[Steve Covino]

Remember you used to love Rick Astley like mom. I was 11. He said it once, one time, like. And she still thinks that. So sometimes you just can't outrun this weird reputation because we hang on to the weirdest things. I think it exposes a problem with society, too. It's like, man, we really hold on to the bad stuff, huh?

[Rich Davis]

My rapid fire, cross fire. Let's go to Damon, Bakersfield. You start and we'll go quick. What's up, man?

[Caller]

Hey, just want to remind you guys that it also works the opposite way. And, Rich, you should know about an icon we got for the Mets by the name of Indy Chavez. Played 13 years, didn't even get a thousand hits. I think he hit 30 home runs, but he can't buy a beer in New York walking down the street.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, because you're right. It could work the opposite. You do something good, and that's your reputation, a la Odell Beckham Jr. The guy's a good wide receiver, but.

[Steve Covino]

He never lifts up to that moment.

[Rich Davis]

Catch early in his career. That might be one of the greatest catches you'll ever see in your life. Sort of paved the way, I think, for the guy's next 10 years.

[Steve Covino]

So if you're getting to the root of what we're discussing is defining moments, and Nico Harrison definitely has his. He can't outrun this reputation he has now.

[Rich Davis]

Kelvin and Indy, what's up?

[Caller]

You guys are the best. Y'all the most awesome. And I listen to y'all all the time. Coming home from work, I just want to mention two. Couple of people to let you see what y'all think about it. I thought about what about the people Cleveland Browns and James Winston. I don't know if they gonna ever get over that. All that money, all that investing in him, and the guy wasn't clear, and he hadn't. They don't know if he even rehabbed or got help for that. And then also, I'm from Indianapolis, so I'm from Lamar. I. Lamar Odom was even in high school, and my son now grew up with Lamar Odom. And they called me on draft night and said, dad, I can't believe Portland gave him all that money. They don't know what we know.

[Steve Covino]

You know what? I thought you were going to say crab legs when you brought up Jameis Winston, because I think that's a great way to maybe move past it when you really own it. And he's owned it recently, you know, maybe then you move forward.

[Rich Davis]

But he was talking about desean Watson.

[Danny G]

That's what I thought.

[Steve Covino]

I think he was talking about Watson, but he said that's what I was expecting to hear.

[Ryan McBain]

Crab legs.

[Danny G]

Some people could point to Jameis Winston, though, and say laptop computer or crab legs.

[Steve Covino]

Right, right. And didn't he recently just dance around wearing a crab unit? Crab outfit? Yeah, you gotta make. You gotta. When you include yourself in on the joke or something. I think it's officially over, so maybe that's the best way to do it.

[Rich Davis]

Greg in Ohio. What's up, man? Actually, that's Jeff in Colorado. We'll go to Jeff.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, Jeff.

[Caller]

Yo, Jeff in Colorado.

[Steve Covino]

Here.

[Caller]

I'm a Jags fan, so I can't remember the guy who got posterized by Saquon jumping backwards over him, but maybe. Maybe history will be kind and forget him.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, you know, there's always. There's always someone on the receiving end of a great play, unfortunately.

[Steve Covino]

But that's. That's sports. Right.

[Danny G]

And by the way, I'm sorry, I think the laptop, that was Cam Newton. Right? So either you remember the fumble or the laptop.

[Steve Covino]

Now, I want you, Fox Sports Radio Nation, and start thinking about the times you were sort of bullied into something, because the big winner of the weekend, John Cena and the Timberwolves. Sorry, Danny G. But John Cena was bullied into doing something he didn't necessarily want to do. But I think it's a solid move.

[Rich Davis]

But I think I want to angle it this way. Sometimes you can be bullied into doing something, and it's a good thing.

[Steve Covino]

That's really it. I do have an example of that.

[Rich Davis]

I think sometimes enough people bust your chops and your buddies bother you enough where you're like, oh, thank God I did that.

[Steve Covino]

What was I waiting for?

[Rich Davis]

So I think sometimes people that are hesitant to do things need a little bullying. And there's a great John Cena story we'll get to, but you want to wrap this with Josh? Josh, you got 20 seconds. Let's go.

[Steve Covino]

Make it snappy, buddy.

[Rich Davis]

What's up, buddy?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Hopefully you had a good weekend. This guy, man, my heart goes out to him because I doubt he could really go anywhere in Buffalo and really be admired. But Scott Norwood.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, yeah, that's a great example. Poor guy missed a field goal in the Super Bowl. That's your legacy. All right. Hey, we'll talk a little John Cena. We'll talk some NBA playoffs. And of course, covering for a big moment. That's something else we'll do. And we'll play a game. I don't want to over promise, but a lot of fun coming up right here.