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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Jim Jackson
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every.
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now, let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, it is a Monday. We are rare run to go. There is a lot happening, including NFL camps opening up. We are live. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Appreciate you stopping by. A lot of choices out there. JMac it is. I love my golf majors and I especially love a golf major when a dominant player could be Bryson Nishamba, who, by the way, his last three rounds he was absolutely on fire. Rory. Or a guy who maybe not as fascinating, but dominating Scotty Sheffler. So I want to start with that. J. Mack. There's a lot of talk yesterday because Scotty Sheffler wins and really pulled away. Played great early in the final round. Pulled away from the other world class golfers. And people are saying, man, this feels like Tiger Woods. No, it doesn't. And I love Scottie Scheffler. They have one thing in common. Scotty Scheffler right now in his prime. And Tiger in his prime felt like they were absolutely better than even the second best golfer in the world. And if both were hitting their putts and Tiger almost always was, if they go into the final round with a lead, you're not catching them. That's what they have in common. But Tiger was much longer off the tee and, and, and golf equipment's actually improved. He was 40 yards off the tee longer sometimes, and Sheffler's about 3, 310 sometimes. Tiger was 360, 370. Secondly, Tiger is the best iron player I've ever seen in my life. Maybe there's somebody better, I'm not sure. And Tiger was consistently on the tour in his prime. Unbelievable lag putter and an unbelievable big tournament, big pot star. Schaeffler's gotten way better at that. But he can struggle. At least he did previously. So, I mean, they were talking about Tiger proofing courses. It was ridiculous. Scheffler again, there's a difference. Scotty Scheffler doesn't intimidate other golfers. He just beats them. Tiger woods, the galleries, the fist pump, he leaned into it much more. Michael Jordan, he taught you at the free throw line. They were trying to Tiger proof courses, but you couldn't do anything. Okay, let's make it longer. That played the Tiger's advantage. So Scheffler is ruling golf. To me, Tiger revolutionized it. Tiger was MJ or Mike Tyson in his prime. He intimidated other great fighters, other NBA all Stars. And again, Tiger loved it. Like MJ loved taunting you. Scheffler's more Tim Duncan, reserved, avoids mistakes. Fundamentally strong, businesslike. Now that he's got the putting going, if he leads on Sunday, it's over. But Tiger made you feel like you wanted to go out. He had so much alpha. You'd watch Tiger play and you wanted to go to the driving range. You wanted to grab your clubs and go play. I mean, Scotty Scheffler, he said it last week, you know, I don't get much out of winning. He's a little bit of a buzzkill. I love Tim Duncan, but he never wanted me, made me want to go grab a basketball when I was a kid. If you watched a great player, you'd want to go out in the backyard and shoot that. That. That's not Scheffler. So it's like LeBron. LeBron got to eight straight finals, but he never felt like he quite had the. The MJ killer instinct, the MJ juice, the MJ feel. I mean, think about this. They're both at 29. Tiger had 10 majors and 46 wins. Scheffler's got four and 17. Phil Mickelson is a legend, an all time great Golfer. He's got 45 career wins. Tiger had 46 in his 20s. So again, there's a difference between ruling golf and revolutionizing it. There's a difference between winning and intimidating. And I think that is when you can get into other golfers or other fighters or other UFC fighters. Heads. That's Tiger. Scotty's just great. And now that he's got his putting going, if he leads going into Sunday, that thing felt over. By his third hole, you're like, yeah, yeah, it's over. I think even he, afterwards, after the Open win, acknowledge that.
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Scotty Scheffler
I still think they're a bit silly. You know, Tiger won, what, 15 majors. It's my fourth. Just got one fourth of the way there. So just, I mean, it's. I think Tiger stands alone in the game of golf. I don't focus on that kind of stuff. That's not what motivates me. I'm not. Not motivated by winning championships. I feel like what motivates me is just getting out and, you know, get. Getting to live out my dream.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Scotty Scheffler's great. Tiger was obsessed. And there is something about the athletes in our time, Brady obsessed with football. Obsessed. Josh Allen's really good. Is he obsessed? I don't know. But Brady's obsession slash intensity was kind of intimidating. I mean, I grew up with John Elway. I was a Seahawk fan. If you grew up and you led an Elway got the ball, it was deflating. You knew the outcome. That was Brady. I don't feel that was. I don't. I never felt that. With Aaron Rodgers, who's good, It's a coin flip. Will he come back and win or not? It's coin flip, Brady. It's over. Get in the car. Warm the car up. Start the car. And I think. I think that intensity of Tiger is just different than anything I've ever seen. Okay, so ESPN's analytic writers. This is data. It's not necessarily opinions driven by data. Ranked the NFL rosters going into a season. Now, a lot of it's predictable. At the top, it's Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Buffalo, Kansas City. You know, a lot of that stuff. Bottom, you know, it's your Saints and your Giants and your jets, whatever. But what's really interesting to me, smack dab in the middle, right? Smack dab in the middle. Green Bay Packers 14, Chicago Bears 15. Even though the packers have dominated that rivalry, It's a great rivalry. It is a great rivalry. NFC north is up for grabs. And if the NFL between the packers and Bears is a head coach in quarterback league and it is that, it's Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love against Ben Johnson, another offensive coach and another athletic quarterback, Caleb Williams, that is great for one of the NFL's best rivalry. And I think what makes Caleb Williams so fascinating and why the Bears are going to be such a great watch. Nobody disputes his talent, arm athleticism, escapability and toughness. I have a general manager in my kind of source group who's a critic of Caleb Williams. Doesn't. Doesn't know what the outcome's going to be. He acknowledges tough, big, explosive arm and insanely evasive. Nobody disputes that. What it really comes down to Caleb Williams is coachability. Creative, strong. Those are traits. We know that's great, but all of the things he struggles with, are improvable, are coachable. He holds on to the ball too long. You can coach your way out of that. He misses layups, easy stuff. You can coach your way out of that. Sometimes I think he plays a little hero ball from time to time. You can coach your way out of that. You can't get bigger and stronger and faster. That's not Going to work. So all of his traits are correctable and coachable. And I mean, I'll give you an example. Pocket presence. Well, Lamar Jackson came into the NFL with none and now he's excellent. He is. Lamar Jackson is not only a great athlete, he's clearly smart and coachable. He did not have much of a pocket presence. He just ran and escaped. He knows what he's doing in the pocket now. He's a real pro and has been for years. Josh Allen accuracy was like inaccurate at Wyoming, inaccurate in the NFL. Now he's very accurate. That's coachable. Size, arm moving around, dynamic is not. So when you look at Bo Nix, he's either going to be good, which he is now, or very good. When you look at Jaden Daniels, he's either going to be great or a legend. There is such a wide range of outcomes for Caleb Williams. It's going to be amazing or, wow, that didn't work. You had this huge range of outcomes. And that's why I think last year the Bears were a fascinating team. In fact, J. Mac called them the most interesting team in the league to start the year. But it was mostly because of the dysfunction and the potential for an inferno, and it was engulfed early this year. It's not about dysfunction. It's really about the roster is good. It's as good as the Packers. The coach, he knows what he's doing. He's offensive. Oh, they short up the offensive line. It really comes down to can Caleb take the coaching cape, take to developing, which I think is much easier when you're less talented. I think if you have a marginal singing voice, you understand the value of your singing coach. I think it's the hardest people to coach and they love the coaching, but it's hard when somebody's truly gifted. Andy Reid, Mahomes. When do you pull back? When do you get out of the way? When do you let him do what he just sort of does? That's hard. It's easy. And I think Kirk Cousins knows I'm going to follow the playbook here. I'm going to follow the coaching. I've got limitations. I think it's really hard to coach Mahomes. That goes against what you think because, like, when do you coach and when do you just get out of the way? And you got to sometimes with Caleb, get out of the way. I've talked about this before. He had a moment against Arizona in college. I think it was his first year at usc. It may have been his second where he was on the sideline. It was fourth quarter late in the game, may have been overtime. There were like six Arizona Wildcats around him and it ended up being a good bowl team for Arizona. It was six on one and they couldn't get it. And it was the most, it was a video game. So, you know, that's why, by the way, Steve Kerr is a great coach because he took to coaching. Therefore he adapted and knows coaching. Michael Jordan wasn't a great gm, Magic wasn't a great coach. Some of it's just, I just got this skill and it leads me to the right place in crisis. All right, J. Mac, a lot of things going on this week. A little WNBA players.
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J. Mac
Oh.
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Colin Cowherd
I find that story. Well, I actually, I think there's a real argument that the WNBA players are going to win negotiations. I wouldn't do it the way they're doing it. Well, I, you know, the T shirt stuff, it's not the end of the world. It's kind of silly. But I do think, but I do think there's something to be said. Even if you lose money for a company for 10 years, if you're at the end of your 10 year contract and you finally start making money, do you want to bail on the investment? Like it doesn't matter what they did for the last 25 years in the last year, the growth of the WNBA due to Caitlin Clark is so sensational. What are you going to do? Bail on your investment? It's finally paying off. So what do you do if you're the NBA? So I want to talk about that. And also a reality. People aren't going to like to hear this in a certain part of the country, but it's true. And that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Covino
Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
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Rich
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you blubberlips. Blaming me.
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Covino
Well, you know what it's called? Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been overpromising women for years.
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Rich
Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also going to talk life and relationships and and if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised.
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Covino
Well, if you don't get enough, Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.
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Rich
There you go. Over promising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely join us Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
All right, welcome back. So the Big Ten preseason media poll came out. Now think about this. The best offensive player in college football is a Buckeye. The best defensive player, Caleb Downs, is a Buckeye. The recruiting once again was through the roof. Their nil money is through the roof, and Penn State was picked to win the Big Ten. I think Penn State's going to face Texas in the national championship, and I think this is one of those things and it's going to be hard to stomach for a lot of people. The Big Ten is officially better than the sec. It's not just that Ohio State won the Natty last year. It's that they humiliated Tennessee and dominated Texas. Texas scored 14 points. They'd scored over 14 points in 32 straight games in the SEC. They scored 14 points the year before Alabama played Michigan. When Michigan won the Natty, Alabama couldn't move the ball. They had already had 100 yards passing. It looks a lot like it used to eight years ago when a Georgia or an Obama would face a Big Ten team. And the Big Ten teams couldn't really generate consistent offense. The defenses, the athletes were just too good. Go look at Tennessee against Ohio State's defense. Go look at Texas against Ohio State's defense. Go look at Bama the year before against Penn. Michigan's defense. So. And I think. And I think there's a reason for it. And I never thought this was possible, but it should be noted. Every national champion, every single one in the college football era, College football Playoff era, everyone has been ranked inside of the preseason top six. And of the six preseason teams highest ranked, three, three are s Big Ten teams. So three of the top six ranked teams and that tells you who's going to win the natty in 10 of 11 national championships. 10 of the last 11, the teams in the top five, one of them has won the Natty. So the Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon are all in the top six this year. And that's where the national champions come from. So last year, Ohio State lost to two Big Ten teams. They rolled two SEC teams. It's the eye test. I said this three years ago. Something's changing. And what's changing is money. Big Ten schools are bigger. They have more graduates. It's easier to raise money for nil. You add in Phil Knight in the Nike money. You add in USC in the LA economy money. The Big Ten cities, LA, NY with Rutgers, Chicago, Northwestern, Minneapolis, DC, Seattle. Big Ten money is Hollywood, Tech and financial centers. It's a lot of car dealerships in the sec and car dealerships are running on razor thin margins. So right now, the top spenders in college football, according to the on three poll for the top seven are Big Ten. And that's not changing. That is not changing. So when Penn State is ahead of Ohio State in the preseason poll and Ohio State's got a Natty, a proven head coach, unbelievable top three recruiting in the country, huge nil money, and the best offensive and defensive player in the country. Without question they're better. I mean, sec, you had your run, but I, I think at the very top. I'll take the Big Ten. Here was Urban last week on Penn State.
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Urban Meyer
The question I have for Penn State, they have two great running backs. They have one of the best offensive lines in the country, certainly in the Big Ten. Do they have this skill on the outside? Last year they did not. That was not a typical Penn State receiving corps. And I don't know if they've made it better. You know, I keep trying to research that and we'll see him early in the season, but I'm hoping they have better skill on the outside. I think everything about Penn State is a nationalist championship contender.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. By the way, they went into the portal, Kyron Hudson's one of the receivers they went and got from usc. So their wide receiving Core should be better and more dynamic. But it's the eye test I can remember watching six years ago. Georgia plays a good Big Ten team, and those Big Ten teams, they just couldn't get around the corner. They couldn't generate consistent offense. That's what I've seen Bama and Georgia and Texas struggle with against Michigan and Ohio State the last couple years. And I think this year the same Penn State will just look different. They'll look like an SEC offense and defense six years ago. J. Mac with the news.
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J. Mac
No, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
All right, Colin, let's get started with the big news out here on the west coast. Over the weekend, the Lakers made a huge move picking up Maka Smat off the buyout market. He got a buyout from the hapless Washington Wizards and he's going to the lakers on a two year, $11 million deal. Basically, Colin, it's the same deal that Bradley Beal got from the paper clips. Now, smart was the 2022 defensive player of the year.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Been first team all defense three times.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
He's had an injury history, no doubt about it. I don't want people freaking out though. Colin always barely played. The last two years he was on dumpster fires and they basically just shut him down so those teams could get higher draft. So let's not go overboard on that.
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Colin Cowherd
If you look at my take has always been if you if defense, if you are a actionable top defender, you age very quickly in the NBA. Trae Young will play for as long as he wants. Steph Curry could play forever. But if you are Marcus Smart, how about Jrue Holiday, how he aged overnight this year because Drew Holiday is putting a body on people every night, every possession. Marcus Smart puts a body on people. Tony Allen was a great defender and then all of a sudden he got old fast. The guys that make their money defensively, if KD stays healthy, he can shoot for another six years. And that's not to say Katie's a terrible defender, but James Harden can still score. He doesn't defend Trae Young. So the guys that play real defense, the reason they're great defensive players is they get into your grill. They are on you, and that ages you. It's like I said, we're running quarterbacks. Big Ben age really fast. Brady did so right.
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J. Mac
I'm sure you saw Luca was part of the entourage rolling out the red carpet for Marcus Smart. Luca also did that for DeAndre8. Now I know he shares an agent with him. But it's interesting. LeBron was not part of this process. And I was asking around people yesterday, what do you think about this? The vibe I got was, listen, Bradley Beal would have been great for the Lakers, but he doesn't help them defensively because, remember, Reaves had to guard Aunt Edwards in that series, and he couldn't. He couldn't do that and then produce 25 and 5 or whatever. Marcus Smart now will get the best guard. He'll guard sga, he'll guard Aunt Edwards. Like that will be his assignment in the postseason. I think this is a good pickup for the Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's. It's been established. You are really into teams in LA that sign old guys. That is your. That is your way.
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J. Mac
Marcus smart's old at 31. Really? I mean, I know he's got the injuries, but this isn't for the Lake.
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Colin Cowherd
He, again, Cam Newton and Big Ben running quarterbacks aged quickly. You know who didn't? Tom Brady. And by the way, Marcus Smart ages quickly. James Harden doesn't, because he doesn't put a body on people. He's avoiding contact. Marcus Smart initiated contact. That's the difference between top and. There's only one way to be a great defender in the NBA. You're either a rim protector, you just SWAT stuff Giannis, or you put a body on people. You make it uncomfortable. When you do that, it takes years off your career.
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J. Mac
Now, the last note, Colin. This is in the fine print. Very tiny. The Lakers had to move off two guards to small guards Sheikh, Milton and Goodwin so they could make room for Smart. Well, you know who this is good for? Bronny James. Those two guys were basically 11 and 12. Bronny James just moved up a notch because they got off him. I'm telling you, he's going to play minutes this year. End of the rotation for Bronnie. All right, let's move on. Colin. To the Dallas Cowboys. Oh, boy. Well, guard Tyler Smith is very excited about Dallas's chances this year. I think he's getting a little crazy. Here's what he had to say about.
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Urban Meyer
The NFC super bowl champions, as always, expectation. So, yeah. Think that's a realistic goal? I think it is a realistic goal because we can win the Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Why not?
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Urban Meyer
Why can't we win? Do you think it's unrealistic? You think the roster is in place to do that? I think it is in place to do that, yes, sir.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a young man. He doesn't quite know the personnel groupings in the NFL.
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J. Mac
He sounds like a fan, doesn't he?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, by the way, let me look at this. The Dallas Cowboys, according to the analytic rankings.
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J. Mac
Let me guess. 23rd, 18th.
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Colin Cowherd
But I, but what's funny is they have the Steelers 19th and the Seahawks 20. And I would take both of those over the Dallas Cowboys. I think the Cowboys are much closer to the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Raiders where they have a handful of really, really good players. But there's holes on the roster that are clear and definitive.
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J. Mac
I bet the jets are higher than the Cowboys on there. Right? Jets have a lot of good young players. Haven't proven anything yet.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the jets actually don't have a lot of good young players where they. Oh, they're 29th.
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J. Mac
They, they have a lot of good young players like under 26 years old, but they haven't done anything yet. We, we, we could do that later if you want. Anyways, final story. Colin, let's go back to the la. Luka Doncic was in a video posted on the Lakers official YouTube page and doncha was asked what he wants to be known for in Los Angeles. Colin, you gotta love this. He said he wants to be known as a guy who brings multiple titles to la.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Over under one and a half titles for Luca with the Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I'm gonna ask you, what do these great Lakers have in common?
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J. Mac
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Jerry West, Kobe.
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Jim Jackson
Yep.
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Colin Cowherd
Shaq, Kareem, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, what do they all have in common?
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J. Mac
They all wanted titles with L. All.
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Colin Cowherd
Great defensive players in their prime. The only great all time Laker, who you can't categorize is a great defensive player, was Magic. And some of that was at 6, 8. He just. The quick guys would get around him. But my take is if you look, if I said to you, let's just talk about all time great players. Bill Russell, Kareem, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Kobe, Tim Duncan. There, there is a clear definitive threat. Also beyond being profound offensive players, all great defensively. The next tier of players, Dirk Nowitzki, Steph Curry, maybe some would say Larry Bird, Dr. J. They aren't great defensive players. So to be. If you look at the history of the Lakers, everybody thinks it's about flash. They're great players, have almost always been dynamic defensive players on the other end.
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J. Mac
Okay, so Colin, the only issue with that is your list is heavy on the, you know, Bill Russell's like 50s or whatever, but a lot of 80s, 90s, the league has changed dramatically. Look at the guys now creeping into the top 10. Steph Curry, not an all time great defender. Kevin Durant, top 15, not an all time great defender. Larry Bird did make all defensive team three times, second team early in his career. Not a phenomenal defender. The league has gone so big on offense. Jokic is not known as an all time great defensive player. He's a top 20 player in the history of the sport. So if you just look at the modern era, it's more. Can you get me a bucket? Can you get other guys a bucket? And I think Luka does that so well.
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Colin Cowherd
Bucket guy.
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J. Mac
You're, you're a hater on Luka. I get it. I understand you're down on the Lakers and Luka, not mine.
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Colin Cowherd
Down. I'm just telling you what I see. The west is loaded and young with great coaches. The Lakers are old, don't have a lot of draft capital, and we don't know if J.J. reddick's elite. It's just, that's just what I'm doing.
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J. Mac
See, third in the west, my friend, with a rookie coach. And, and, and A.D. hurt and Luka hurt and A.D. traded. Come on, Cowherd. I need more positivity on a Monday, especially when it comes to the Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mack for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd line 30 minutes from now on a Monday where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong. So I am all for people asking for raises. So let me start with that. I don't have a problem with the WNBA players asking for a raise. The WNBA is on a hot streak. I don't care about the previous 24, 25 years as an investment. It's starting to pay off. And so this week they wore T shirts saying, you know, making a statement, you better pay us. But instead of just leaving it at that, Kelsey Plum for LA had to take a dig at Caitlin Clark. Here he is. Here she is.
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Covino
The T shirt just United front was determined this morning that we had a meeting for. And you know, not to, not to tattletale, but zero. Members of Team Clark were very present for that.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, boy. Listen, NBA players make 50% of revenues. WNBA players make 9%. And now the merch sales are up 500% and a tenant is up, you know, 40%. So they're going to get a raise. There's no question. And I don't really care that the previous 25 years they didn't make a lot of money or lost money. I don't care. They're in the middle of a negotiation and they're on a heater. So it doesn't really matter. I've said this before. If, if you. I made an investment for five years and it lost money. And I got about six months left in the investment. And in the last six months, they started, they started making cash. I'm not bailing on the investment. I want to finally get my money back. So they're going to get a raise. They're finally turning a corner. But. And negotiating in any business is all about current momentum. It's not about 12 years ago. It's about current momentum. There are companies. I'll give you an example. When the Athletic, which is a subscription based sports writing site, got purchased by the New York Times, the athletic was losing 45 million a year. They bought it for scale. They bought it because at the time Biden, not Trump, was president, they were losing clicks. They weren't doing as well digitally. And the Athletic answered that Bell Athletic still doesn't make money. They bought it for scale. Not every company that wins in negotiations or is sold is wildly profitable. But the projection for the WNBA going forward and the current momentum are really, really good. So the T shirts don't bother me, but why do you take a shot at the golden goose? Caitlin Clark? You guys were flying before she arrived on one of those airlines that made you pay for a cup of water. One of those airlines, that is the planes are the color of a highlighter. Now you're flying private, okay? If you're in a band and you're staying at the Motel 6 and you add a band member and now you're with the Ritz Carlton, keep your issues to yourself, all right? You went from Motel 6 in a sketchy part of town to about four seasons in the shopping district. Stop talking. I don't mind the T shirts. I think you have leverage. I think you deserve more than 9%, you know, but it's just misstep after misstep. It's time to grow up, girls. Like, fast. Like, like, this is the player that got you off the airline that was bright yellow, right? She got you an upgrade to a better hotel as a band member. So I, I do think a lot of people are saying, hey, man, this league has never made money. It's an investment. It's now going to make money. And by the way, this is the least profitable, arguably it'll be over the next 10 years. It's only going to get more profitable as women's basketball gets better, as the Caitlin Clark momentum train gets bigger. I mean, this year, she's not playing well. She's hurt. She's not there for all the games. So this is actually not as great as it could be. Like Michael Jordan hurt year two next 12 years were legendary. That's what it's going to be. So I think, I think they deserve a big raise. Maybe not 50% of revenues because NBA stars, there's a lot of them, and they move the needle. The WNBA stars, well, there's one that moves the needle. And here's the other thing to remember. Caitlin Clark's already rich. She made $11 million this year alone in endorsements off the court. So regardless of how these negotiations go, she set nobody else is, right? Like, so when somebody joins the band and everything gets upgraded, just be happy. Just. I know you wanted your song to be the first one they played. You wanted to make up the set.
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Joy Taylor
Just, just.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, it's not the T shirts. You're gonna do fine. I'd scale back on the Caitlin Clark angst. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific introducing the new Dell AI PC powered by the Intel Core Ultra processor. It's not just an AI computer. It's a computer built for AI. That means it's built to help do your busy work for you so you can fast forward through editing images, designing presentations, generating code, debugging code, running lots of apps without lag, summarizing meeting notes, extending battery life, finding that file you were looking for, managing your schedule, meeting your deadlines, responding to Jim's long emails.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, big news today. The Herd has reached 400 affiliates. A big thank you to Rip City Radio 620 in Portland, KPOJ, which is kind of ironic. I hit 400 affiliates on the place where it all started. So thank you to Portland, the Blazer station. And I love that. So I saw this. I do not think this is a coincidence. I'm not a big coincidence guy. I'm not a big fate guy. I think things happen due to choices. So ESPN had its analytic writers ranked the 32 best rosters again. Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Buffalo. Really good rosters. All of them really, you know, good GMs. But here's what's interesting. The Sean Payton effect. Denver's at 6 and 32 dead last is the Saints don't think it's a coincidence. We all know Sean Payton is arguably the best play caller in the sport. We also know he's a great play designer. Maybe not Andy Reid, but a great play designer. Yeah, he can do the personnel thing too. So I'm going to suggest it is not a coincidence that the Saints have nosedive in personnel to dead last in the league analytically and the Broncos are suddenly sixth and to me, Andy Reid, Sean Payton and Sean McVay and the Harbaughs are close. Have sort of separated from the league in coaching, play calling, play designing, culture creation and a sense of personnel. Colin Kyle Shanahan, slow down. He's Owen 43 when trailing by eight or more in the fourth quarter. I've said this and I love Kyle Shanahan. He has a rigidity about his play calling. He gets very tied. It's not all Brock Purdy. He gets very tied. Not all Jimmy Garoppolo to his play sheet. But what makes this whole thing by Sean Payton, he's underrated at this point because everybody acknowledges the Harbaughs are great and Andy Reid is great and Sean McVay's unbelievable. And it's like no guys, I've said this before. I'm always impressed with a kid that grows up with nothing and makes something of himself. I mean if you're worth 100 million, but you were a trust fund kid that grew up with 30 over the course of time. Not that impressive if you grew up in an unstable household and become just a millionaire of any level. I'm blown away by that. Okay, think about what he inherited Russell Wilson's contract, the largest at the time dead cap number ever when they moved off him. Oh, and by the way, Denver also gave up two first round picks to get Russell Wilson. So they didn't have ammo, they lacked elite draft capital and they had the worst dead cap situation ever in a division with Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and GM Brett Veach and the Hunt family a pluses across the board. And it's only gotten stronger. Now it's Harbaugh in the division. So he got the Broncos last year in the very tough AFC west in the tougher conference of the two. Although it's close now the AFC to the playoffs with a quarterback in Bo Nix that wasn't universally lauded coming into the draft. They looked it up this morning. This was PFF scouting reporter and Bo Nix. Now I love Bo Nicks out of college. They did not, they said limited ceiling. No truly elite trait. Nix has a rather high floor due to his age, but very limited ceiling. Tough to justify spending overly valuable draft capital on him. So overwhelmingly in the league, Bo Nix was like the fifth most talented quarterback and in the division with Herbert Harbaugh, Reed and Mahomes and a great front office, Bo Nix gets into the playoffs. Bo Nix in fact had more touchdown passes and total touchdowns than Jaden McDaniels who had Terry McLaurin and a weaker division with the Giants and the Cowboys. So I'm just saying if you look at the awful Saints, if you look at the rising Broncos, the fact and this is something offensive coaches do very well. Reed does it, McVeigh does it. Sean Payton's done it. It's something offensive coaches do better than defensive coaches. I don't think it's arguable when he got not only was the culture broken in Denver, the quarterback was broken. The dead cat money was going to be unbelievable. They'd given up two first round picks to get Russ. The offensive line was a mess. By the end of his first year it was a top 12 offensive line. Now it's viewed. I just saw this, I think on PFF or one of these ranking systems. It's like the second to third best offensive line in football. That's Sean Payton. That's not the GM or the new owner. That's not the defensive coordinator. That's not Bo Nix, that's Sean Payton. Because they couldn't get the O line right for years. He arrives, it's suddenly great. That's what McVay did overnight in LA with Andrew Whitworth. So what Andy Reid has done the last four years, as they've paid Mahomes, you got to kind of ham and egg it on the offensive line. You can't pay everybody up front. So I think, I think we universally know Andy Reid, The Harbaugh, Sean McVeigh. What Sean Payton has done, what he's had to overcome, lack of draft capital, dead cap money. It is remarkable. And right now they're considered to have the sixth best roster in the league. Not a lot of coaches are great with personnel. Jimmie Johnson's a legend. Jimmy Johnson created the draft board. You know, the value system that like nobody made trades in the NFL before Jimmy Johnson. The New York Giants had made one trade ever. I think it was, or maybe it was one in season trade. I don't know what it was, but nobody traded. When I was a kid growing up, people didn't make big trades. Then Jimmy Johnson came in, the Herschel Walker deal with the Vikings. And then it's like, oh, wow, you can take, you can take, you can really take advantage of people in this trading thing. Calling right, Colin? Wrong. Top of the next hour. So J. Mac has had. I got to tell you, J. Mac, I've really seen a pivot of as you age now and you're growing a mustache between Bradley Beal and Marcus smart old guy to LA teams. You were on an old guy heater. I went and looked this morning at the Clippers odds pre Bradley Beal and post Bradley Beal. Remarkably, they did not move at all.
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J. Mac
Well, what can I say, you know, folks are not really as up on the Bradley Beal factor as I am. But I'll be honest, Colin, this is one of those. You had a. I had a take last week. You were out. Remember last Monday, your travel snafu. And I said something to Broussard during our interview about how Bradley Beal puts the Lakers over the top. It got aggregated over the skylight. Got like 3 million views off me talking about Bradley Beal, all these people coming from my neck. And here I thought you a wise older gentleman who likes older guys. You know LeBron, who does he win with? Young guys. No, listen, guys, I may. He would be on board.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I may be old. I don't like old. I don't even like my age. I don't like. I like Oklahoma City. I like Dallas's young bigs. I like Houston's youth. Even though I thought Katie was a great ad. What I don't like is three years ago when I said Milwaukee's getting old. When you get old, you struggle. First of all, you can struggle in the regular season because your older players get dinged up. Take time off so you can hurt your seating. Oklahoma City's young. They won by an average of 12.9 points per game in the regular season. Young teams get better seeding young teams generally, and it's always a rule in football, basketball, baseball. Young players recover more quickly from injuries. So youth in the NBA. With the new cba, it's not about old stars. That's why free agency died in the NBA. The league now is about getting old guys on a minimum and draft and developing your players. Because the CBA now all the punitive apron penalties you can't pay multiple stars.
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J. Mac
Interesting. So you're saying the pivot from LeBron back in the day. I only want to win with old guys. Young guys don't win. The LA Rams saying, forget those picks, we want veterans. Are you saying that's starting to change in the NBA?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the cba, the. I always said this. David Stern inherited an NBA that like New York, Boston, like a lot of the big brands weren't great. So his way to redo the NBA was let's create dynasties. Let's have stars in the right place. I think he leaned into that. Adam Silver inherited a different league where there were too many dynasties he leaned into. I want Oklahoma City and Indiana to be viable. How do you do that? Create a tough CBA where big markets can't accumulate multiple stars. This is finally Adam Silver's NBA Hour two Colin Right.
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Joy Taylor
Wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
Next.
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
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