Hour 1 - Stop trying to make Bronny James a thing

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 1: Stop Trying to Make Bronny James a Thing

Release Date: January 29, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Episode Title: Stop Trying to Make Bronny James a Thing

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1. Introduction to the Episode

In the premiere hour of "Stop Trying to Make Bronny James a Thing," Colin Cowherd delves into the controversial decision by the Los Angeles Lakers to promote Bronny James, LeBron James' son, to the NBA roster. The discussion centers on the implications of this move for both Bronny and the NBA at large.

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2. Main Discussion

a. Bronny James’ Promotion to the Lakers

Colin Cowherd initiates the conversation by criticizing the Lakers' decision to rush Bronny James into the NBA after an impressive performance in the G League.

"So last night, AD got hurt. Lakers went into the tank, got blown out by Philadelphia... I have confidence in him. You did not put him in a tough spot. He is 1 for 16 in the NBA from the floor..."
[03:03] – Colin Cowherd

Cowherd emphasizes that Bronny, a 6'2" guard, lacks the necessary skills and consistency to compete at the NBA level, highlighting his poor performance metrics.

"He has not scored in 38 minutes on the floor. But J.J. Redick, instead of just being honest, pandered. He is a 6’2” guard that can’t shoot in a league where 7’4” guys can. He’s not an NBA player."
[06:15] – Colin Cowherd

b. Comparison to NFL’s Handling of Players

The discussion shifts to a comparison between the NBA and NFL, with Cowherd praising the NFL's straightforward approach to player evaluation and accountability.

"The NFL is a serious league. The games matter. It's adults, it's men. It's real conversations. Can we stop pretending on this? Come on, let's just stop pretending."
[09:30] – Colin Cowherd

Cowherd argues that the NFL maintains a level of professionalism and directness that the NBA lacks, particularly in holding players accountable without pandering to star players.

c. Mike McCarthy’s Coaching Search

The conversation transitions to NFL coach Mike McCarthy, who is withdrawing from the coaching search for the New Orleans Saints and instead looking for a job in 2026.

"Mike McCarthy is officially pulling his name out of the coaching search in New Orleans... I think McCarthy dodged a bullet here big time."
[32:33] – Colin Cowherd

Cowherd critiques the Saints' organizational issues, suggesting that McCarthy’s decision is prudent given the team's lack of cap space and quarterback instability.

d. NFL Draft Analysis with Daniel Jeremiah’s Mock Draft

Colin and J. Mac delve into Daniel Jeremiah's NFL mock draft, questioning Jeremiah’s unconventional choices, such as prioritizing running backs over quarterbacks and top receivers.

"You can't take Abdul Carter first. You cannot. You have to take a quarterback. So what are you going to do? Tell me the game plan so Callahan keeps his job."
[35:21] – Colin Cowherd

Cowherd expresses skepticism about Jeremiah’s selections, particularly criticizing the decision to prioritize running backs like Ashton Genti and Abdul Carter over more critical positions like quarterback.

e. Additional Sports Insights

The duo also touches upon various other sports topics, including the performance and management of other NFL teams, the role of head coaches, and the dynamics of player development in professional leagues.

"Shador Sanders is a real player. He has Shadour going six to the Raiders. We know he wants to go to the Raiders... He goes to the Raiders because they need a quarterback, a receiver, and a back."
[37:02] – Colin Cowherd

Cowherd highlights potential moves in the NFL, advocating for strategic acquisitions that address team needs rather than following media hype.

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3. Notable Quotes

• "You can't fool the pro athletes. They know the stars, they know the soft spots, they know the weaknesses."
  [03:03] – Colin Cowherd

• "The NFL is a serious league. The games matter. It's adults, it's men. It's real conversations."
  [09:30] – Colin Cowherd

• "Mike McCarthy dodged a bullet here big time."
  [32:33] – Colin Cowherd

• "You can't take Abdul Carter first. You cannot. You have to take a quarterback."
  [35:21] – Colin Cowherd

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4. Conclusion

In this episode, Colin Cowherd presents a critical perspective on the NBA's handling of young talent, specifically targeting the Lakers' decision to promote Bronny James prematurely. By contrasting the NBA with the NFL’s more pragmatic approach to player management and team building, Cowherd advocates for greater accountability and strategic decision-making within professional sports leagues. The episode serves as a call to action for sports organizations to prioritize genuine talent and long-term success over hype and nepotism.

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5. Additional Notes

For listeners who missed the episode or wish to revisit specific segments, notable discussions occur between the 3:00 and 40:00-minute marks, where the core analysis and debates take place.

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This summary encapsulates the primary discussions and viewpoints presented in the first hour of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," providing a comprehensive overview for those who have yet to listen.

Transcript

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[Colin Cowherd]

Thanks for listening to the Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be watching, listening. Andy Reid, coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, joining us in one hour from now, unfortunately, I'll have to do the interview. J. Mac, Andy, you know, we couldn't trust J. Mac with interviewing Andy Reid.

[J. Mac]

So I'm surprised you're not wearing red.

[Colin Cowherd]

For the interview today.

[J. Mac]

Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

So there's an old saying in pro sports. You can't fool the players, okay? You can't fool the pro athletes. They know the stars, they know the soft spots, they know, they know the weaknesses. So last night, AD Got hurt. Lakers went into the tank, got blown out by Philadelphia. Well, the Lakers had recently called up Bronnie. Well, Bronnie had his best game as a G leaguer, so of course, let's rush him to the Lakers. So he got on the floor last night. You can't fool the players. Tyrese Maxey went right after him and cooked him. And it's just amazing in the NFL, media, coaches, fans, anybody, you can have real grown up conversations. You can hold players accountable. There's no walking on eggshells. There's a way to measure success in the NBA. You have to pretend that Bronny's an NBA player because otherwise you'll upset the king. So he has a good G league game. Guys go off in G league all the time, doesn't mean anything. And they get him to the Lakers and they want to play him. And remember, he is a 62 guard. That's a non point guard. I've never seen that existing in the current NBA and go back 20 years to be a two guard. Six, four and a half minimum. Got to be able to shoot some, be a playmaker some. He's 6 2, got cooked on defense and has not scored in 38 minutes on the floor. 38 minutes as a pro is the last time he got a basket. But J.J. redick, instead of just being honest, pandered. Here he is, maybe put him in a tough spot, you know, flying up yesterday and you know, naturally tell by his game and Philly and all that stuff. It's, you know, he didn't play well, but he's been playing great, you know, in the stay ready games and he's been playing great in the G. So I have confidence in him. You did not put him in a tough spot. He is 1 for 16 in the NBA from the floor, over seven on threes and can't be a point guard and got cooked defensively. Let's just be totally honest about this. He's a 6, 2 guard that can't shoot in a league where 7 foot 4 guys can. He's not an NBA player. He was not a great high school player. He was a good high school player. He wasn't a good college player. He was a college player and he's not an NBA player. And he may be a great kid. I'm sure he is. LeBron's a nice guy. I've met him. But this is what gets 57 million people watch the NFL this weekend. It's tough men, emotionally and physically that you can have real conversations with. Can we stop pretending on this? Come on, let's just stop pretending. This was not a tough spot. Tyrese Max, he's a great player. And cooked him. And you rushed him up because, hey, he had a good G League game. Oh, God. This is what the Clippers have done with Kawhi Leonard. It's been years of pandering. Embiid in Philadelphia, the babysitting in New Orleans was Zion. In the NBA, they had to ban phones from players during games. They were using them at halftime timeouts. They had to ban players from using phones during games. You don't have to do that with grownups. They understand. They're at work, they're going to work hard. And I think of the many reasons the NFL is separated from the NBA is the NFL is a serious league. The games matter. It's adults, it's men. It's real conversation. Like there's no pandering. We're not going to see Jalen hurts, son. You know, wedged into the Eagles to play running back. No, it's Saquon Barkley. He's better than anybody. And I think this goes back to some of the issues the NBA has. Not a single NBA reporter would even touch this with a ten foot pole. I mean, this thing. What are we doing here? Nice kid, maybe a G league player, but 38 minutes on the floor, hasn't scored a basket. He's a 6 2, non ball handling guard. What are we doing? What are we pretending? Grown up conversations. Don't be terrified. Walk on eggshells. I've seen it time and time again. Last night, came in three turnovers, 0 for 5. Look terrified, nervous. And the Sixers, you can't fool players. Went right after him. You can't fool players. When the red light comes on, you know who can do it and who can't. This continues to be an unserious story. What you don't want to become is an unserious league. The NFL, you take it Seriously, because they take it seriously. They don't have to ban phones from their players. Irritating. Okay, so if you didn't see it, and I know you're busy, the Jerry Jones Schottenheimer press conference, by all accounts, was so weird. I went home yesterday and watched big chunks of it. So weird. So Dak Prescott said yesterday, hey, my future is tied to Brian Schottenheimer, the new coach. And you know that's a major red flag in real estate. It's about two things. Great location, great kitchen, you'll always sell the home. Location's great, kitchen's great. Rest of the house can be a tire fire, it doesn't matter. You'll sell the home. The NFL is a head coach quarterback league. You can be bad at linebacker, you don't have to have a great offensive line. You can be weak at safety. You don't have have to have an elite corner. It doesn't matter. Head coach is great. Coach is great. You're going to be really good. There are eight combos in the NFL right now that I would consider elite head coach quarterback combo. I don't understand one of them, but there are eight that you can't deny you're getting a really good quarterback and a really good coach, and you can figure it out. Reed and Mahomes, McVeigh and Stafford, both Harbaughs with Lamar and Justin. Matt LeFleur, Jordan Love, Sean McDermott. Josh, you may not love Jordan Love or Sean McDermott, but they're good. Dan Campbell, Jared Goff, Nick Ceriani, Hertz. I can't explain Nick Ceriani. I can't explain his success. I'm not going to try to. His methodology is weird, but the guy wins and they love him and the players love him and so be it. And that's. That's the eight teams. Eight for eight, by the way, in the playoffs. And just ask yourself, where does Schottenheimer and Dak fit in the league? If. If that's the elite eight, where do they fit? Two things are true. Schottenheimer didn't call plays for a 710 team and was given the job. That's strange. And Dak is coming off a second lower body injury and he got worse after the last one. So I. I'm not. I mean, I know Dak Schottenheimer is better than Derek Carr with no coach, and I think it's better than Will Levis and Brian Callahan, but if you gave me Dave Canales and Bryce Young for the next two years, I'd take the Carolina guys, I take Baker and Todd Bowles today. Absolutely. Mike Vrabel, Drake May. Absolutely. Caleb. Ben Johnson without an argument. So this is a coach quarterback league. And through all the weirdness of the press conference now with a second lower body injury, Dax saying, I'm tying it to Brian Schottenheimer. Just ask yourself where would you put them in the league? Don't listen to me. You think about it now. Where do you stack them? Because there's eight and we don't. I think Sean McDermott's a good coach. Do I think he's great. I think he lacks some nuance offensively. Sirianni I don't get necessarily. Jordan loves a very talented quarterback. More talented than Dak. He's not great yet. Little too reckless. La Flure is outstanding. But just ask yourself I would take Kevin O Connor of the Vikings not even knowing who his quarterback is today. Kevin OConnell. Excuse me, I. I would take him today. I don't even know if they're going to play Daniel Jones, J.J. mcCarthy or Sam Darnold. I would take that. So that's the real warning sign. Kitchen location, you'll always sell a home. Head coach and quarterback are elite. You're fine. I like Brian Dable. There's only so much he could do with Daniel Jones. One of them has to be an A and the other one has to be B plus plus to A minus or it doesn't work in this league or you get fired in this league. So you know that that's as I'm watching this press conference and Dax saying, I'm going to tie it to Schottenheimer. My take is wow. I mean we had reservations before. Wow is where it lands. Andy Reid in 45 minutes. Now, J. Mac, I know you are on this. Brawny is going to emerge as an NBA star. So as I led with that today, I don't want to come across is. I don't. I don't hope the kid doesn't do well. But there is an over. I would say there is a reality of the NBA that continues is that the media that covers it is baseball's is romantic. They. They romance the past of baseball. That's not really what NBA is. The NBA is terrified to lose access to stars. So we're all pretending this Brawny thing is a real story. And it's like the minute he's on the floor, the Sixers are like attack. This is, by the way, what happens. This is what Brady and Mahomes do. When a cornerback gets hurt, you sub In a corner fresh from the bench and Brady Mahomes were like attack.

[J. Mac]

Benford got hurt for the Bills the.

[Colin Cowherd]

Minute they're out, the minute they went on the floor, attack. So the players are telling you what are we doing here? 38 minutes without a basket, a six two non point guard because he had a good G league game.

[J. Mac]

You know.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know what, there's always been a question and we have an answer to it now. There's always been a question, what would it look like if you put a athletic non NBA player in an NBA game? What would he look like? That that's. I think I'm being totally fair. I do not think I'm being unfair.

[J. Mac]

You know the audience can't see this but I couldn't make eye contact with you.

[Colin Cowherd]

You were so upset once you started.

[J. Mac]

Unloading on 20 year old rookie who, who was put in by JJ Redick like Reddick gave a great press conference. I know we only showed a little clip but he was like listen, we're on a back to back, we're in the midst of a six game road trip. I wanted an energy guy, a little spark. So I put Bronnie in early. Okay. And it didn't quite work out. You know the Lakers have a tough stretch here. Four national TV games and I think 10 days.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why does it matter if they're on television? Just the national TV games are a.

[J. Mac]

Little more, you know, the league really wants all the stars to play. And oh by the way, Anthony Davis goes down in the first first half and it's like oh my gosh, we're getting destroyed. Listen, I think you're going a little too harsh.

[Colin Cowherd]

1 for 15.

[J. Mac]

He's not had a great rookie year so far. But he's 20 years old. Dude, he's 20.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you see that would lead you to believe he's not a great actor?

[J. Mac]

I see an energy guy early in his career who comes off the bench, provide some fiery. Let's go defense. I know it didn't show last night against Maxi, but it's tough to play defense when your rim protector is out injured. I don't know, you know A.D. he's hurt now. Looks like you might have jinxed him on yesterday's show. Looks like he's going to be out re evaluated in two weeks.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're becoming an NBA reporter. You know he's an energy guy. What does that mean?

[J. Mac]

He's a 20 year old guy who comes off the bench in a, in a back to back setting.

[Colin Cowherd]

What does that have to do with it if you're 20 years old, who gives a rip about back to back?

[J. Mac]

I know it's an 82 game season. Baseball's a long season. Hockey's a long season.

[Colin Cowherd]

He does.

[J. Mac]

It's tough to maintain energy.

[Colin Cowherd]

He doesn't have a basket in his last 38 minutes.

[J. Mac]

Hey, I've had cold stretches in my men's leagues. It happens to the best of us. But Colin, let's be real and I talked about this on my podcast. Like Kansas City Chiefs treated the regular season this year. Kind of like the NBA. They were unserious for the first month. I know they went 15 and 2. I understand that. But if you watch what they did, they weren't trying to put up a ton of points. Nothing exotic. And here they had their best offensive output in a conference championship game. I think some of the elite NFL teams, Patriots did this. Are going to start to hold back stuff for the playoffs.

[Colin Cowherd]

What does that have to do with the brawny story that we're supposed to all pretend this is a real thing? If his dad wasn't LeBron, would he be on the team?

[J. Mac]

Probably not.

[Colin Cowherd]

In the NFL would you have somebody's son on the team?

[J. Mac]

That's totally different.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. The NFL prioritizes winning. It's serious business. We don't have to ban phones from you.

[J. Mac]

Well, 90 of NFL guys are done in the league by like 35. You know, you don't see a lot.

[Colin Cowherd]

Of 40 year old the NFL because the rosters are so huge. You could actually cheat on an NFL roster and find a place for a guy in the NBA. When you're not the Celtics or OKC and Loaded, there's no area to waste a roster spot. But in baseball you have a huge bullpen. I could see in baseball, football, hockey, you could slide a guy on for a quick line. In the NBA you got how many roster spots?

[J. Mac]

Listen, Bronny is averaging 23, 6 and 5 in the G League, shooting 45% on threes. There is growth. That's that we can at least admit that a 20 year old showing growth in the G league. I'm not saying he's going to be a star or even an all star.

[Colin Cowherd]

I it, it. What set me off is J.J. redick. I, I put him in a bad spot. No, you didn't. You put him in a spot. He made the spot bad. You didn't put him in a bad spot. A bad spot. You're 20 years old. We're playing the Sixers on TV. Do you want to play? No, it's a really bad spot for me. It's a chance of a lifetime. Put him. That's what sets me off. I like LeBron and I said when. When Bronnie came out and played with his dad, I was like, cool. Like Ken Griffey and Ken Griffey senior, both Great. Ken Griffey Jr. Is obviously top five ten great players of all time. I understood the initial let's play him. But now you're trying to like you're going to guilt me into believing it's a real thing. I gave you the opening game. I give you the fun of it. I'm not. I'm not anti anything, but you can't make me now want to buy into it. Like, I'm done. Like, stop with this.

[J. Mac]

Well, they also got injuries. Gabe Vincent did not play last night. You know, Sheikh Milton, who was part of that DFS trade, six minutes, like, you know, back to back. I know it sounds like I'm making excuses for. For LeBron.

[Colin Cowherd]

And how about we just measure basketball players like we do pro football players?

[J. Mac]

Why pro football players play 18 games over four months, the NBA season that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Lasts all year and tackle each other at full speed. So you're physically, it's it.

[J. Mac]

There's a level homes is not lining up in the secondary in addition to being quarterback. Like, let's stop with the NBA NFL comparisons. Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, there is no comparison.

[J. Mac]

Of course not.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jason Tatum made his NBA debut at 19 years old. Was he in bad spots? No, he was asked to be good.

[J. Mac]

Wait, Jason Tatum, a top three pick in the draft, A superstar from Duke?

[Colin Cowherd]

This was the weakest NBA draft, some said ever.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, that it was. It was not great.

[Colin Cowherd]

So my question was always, what if it was a good draft? Would you find a spot for him then? By the way, there's stories. The Lakers called people not to draft him. You okay with that? I mean, I'm going to win this with that? Yeah. Nobody's thrilled with that. I'm not thrilled with any of it. But we all played along for a week. I'm not going to play along anymore.

[J. Mac]

They're fifth in the west. What else do you want? Let him play, the young kid. Come on, have a heart, cowherd.

[Colin Cowherd]

I know I come across as. I. I guess it's this. There's two stories to every sports and I wrote it in my first book about this. There's two things happening with every story. The one we feed the public and the truth.

[J. Mac]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

What we're feeding the public is nonsense. It's BS. The truth is a 62 non ball handler guard who can't shoot. What are we doing? It makes me be the ogre on the air and the bad guy. But it's like, what are we doing here? Let's be serious as a sport. Let's. Let's talk about serious stuff, real players. And again, I come across as bad guy. Like I'm beaten up on it. But it's like you drafted him, you called teams, told not to draft it. You move him up and now you're reduced to I put the kid in a bad spot. I'm just over it. I'm over with the story. I'm done. No more stories on this. Well, you can do them in her. I will just do this. When you talk about I'll just turn my mic off. I'm done. If you've been thinking about home security, now's the time to join millions of Americans who trust Simply Safe stops, break ins. Go to simplisafecollen.com 50% enough a new system. There's no safe like Simply Safe. I'm just going to turn the mic off. 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So when I look at the Saquon Barkley situation, you had Joe Shane, a GM in New York who bought into this silly online media narrative that running backs had topped out. They had no value long term. And as we said, it was March 11th or something like that was the day that it happened. I said he's. Not only is he going to succeed in Philadelphia, but because the Giants O line was so bad and they have no star weapons on the perimeter. You can cheat when you play the Giants against Saquon, you can stack the box. But with A.J. brown and DeVonta Smith, the safeties are off the line and the O lines first or second best in the league. It's not like he's going to be good in Philly. He's going to be dominant. Don't even listen to any of these people on the Internet. Go pay a running back. Go buy him. This was a huge mistake. And we watched HBO Max, we watched the Giants and Mara now. Ridiculous. It was so. This is an organization. They paid Daniel Jones and they let Saquon Barkley walk. And I believe this to my core. You do not have to be a genius to get rich. You do not have to be brilliant. You don't have to be like Elon Musk, Zuckerberg tech whiz to be very successful, hit doubles in life and then wait for other people to make big mistakes. That's it. Just don't take all the wild big swings regularly, occasional big swing, but, I mean, all Philadelphia did was go, well, man, if this guy's rushing for that in New York with no weapons on the outside to keep safeties out of the box in a battle line and Daniel Jones, what is he going to do here? I mean, of all Howie Roseman's moves, it's actually not that impressive. It's obvious. The fact that it was available is nuts. It was just another mistake. It could be a Miami doctor, a bad owner in Philadelphia, a grumpy coach in New England. Just wait. That's the only time hall of Fame level talent in their primes available. Right? The free agent market is generally, you know, it's got kind of a Jimmy Butler feel to it. Where good player aging wants big money. That's always kind of what free agency feels like. I'm not saying Jimmy Butler can't play. I think he would make the warriors better, but I'm not going to build my franchise around him. I'm not giving him huge money. Does he fit? Can he make us better on the Steph Curry timeline? I mean, this was a Hall of Fame talent in their prime, and somebody let him walk like somebody did with Charles Woodson, Reggie White and Drew Brees. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

[J. Mac]

All right, Colin, let's start with the interesting comment here from Jalen Hurts. After they won the NFC Championship, he, I, I think he joked that Nick Sirianni let me out of my straight jacket a little bit. And then of course, the Philly media was like, whoa, wait, oh, there's still a rift between these two. Sirianni addressed it yesterday, downplaying Hertz's comment.

[Colin Cowherd]

We've been winning a couple different ways this year. I think he's just having fun after the, after the game, you know, But I know this, like, and he said this plenty of times. He doesn't care how we win. I don't care how we win as long as we win and we do everything we can do to be able to win. I think we all understood. I didn't think it was a big deal. I thought that was fine.

[J. Mac]

The problem is Hurts is like kind of a serious guy. You know, he walked around with a briefcase and he love him. So was this a joke or was this like, dry humor from Jalen Hurts? I don't know the answer to that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think Jalen Hurts has felt fairly that they've sort of built the offense more around the run game reduced his numbers of throws and he was saying, hey, I gotta let loose a little bit and cause Washington's defense is not as good. First of all, I love his personality. I wish every quarterback in the league, you know, I love that Justin Herbert Jalen hurts personality. No nonsense. All business, briefcase to work. Don't give the media anything. I love him. But I do think this team is better when it is geared around Saquon Barkley and that's. And it's funny because I'll watch Philadelphia play and it. There are times and I feel, I don't feel this about anybody, including the Chiefs. There are drives and quarters with the Eagles that I wonder how they ever punt. They do everything. And when Jalen is in his rhythm and he's not always, there are times he feels a little off and half the time I think he's hurt. He's never 100% but I don't feel like I necessarily always get elite guy from the pocket with Jalen hurts. And I think the organization sees it. Everybody in the league sees it. Greg Cosell sees it on the film and so they built it to not depend on him. And in this game he got to cook a little and he was great. But I don't think, I don't listen in Philadelphia you say anything. If you said this in Tampa, it doesn't make the news. You say it in Philadelphia. It's on WIP for the next six hours.

[J. Mac]

The only issue is there were many, many reports from a lot of credible reports. I think Brear was one of them. Who had Sirianni and Hertz Rift in the off season. Then you had the former player, I want to say Fletcher Cox came out and said A.J. brown and Jalen Hurts don't get along. Remember on the radio it's like why do we keep having these like squabbles inside the Philadelphia locker room when all they do is pretty much win? Like that's. That can't be good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think it is just. This goes back to what I said. There are families in America. Sebastian Manikowsko jokes about, oh, you're. Yeah, you're God, the stand up comedian. His family, all he did was argue and yell and it was just combustible. And yet they love each other. Is that not every family. Some families are loud and they're combustible and they argue and that's their sign. You know, what do they say about people in Boston when people are giving you crap in Boston? It's a sign of affection. They, they, you're you're officially one of us. You know, goodwill hunting. You watch the bar scenes. If we can make fun of you, you're one of us. And I think Philadelphia is a different town. Highly emotional. The. The roster's got some emotional guys. I think Sirianni feeds into that, and I think it works for them. And that's my conclusion because I can't figure it out. I think it works for them.

[J. Mac]

Well, it sure works when they're rolling. You know, let's see what happens if they're three and five next year at the start of the season. Let's see how that love language is gonna. It's gonna come off, huh? Pretty good. Next story is. Oh, this. This is an interesting one. So Mike McCarthy is officially pulling his name out of the coaching search in New Orleans, and he will be looking for a job in 2026. Very interesting that he seemed in lock for the Saints job, and now it looks like it's going to Kellen Moore. McCarthy seemed in line for the Bears job that went to Ben Johnson. You know, sometimes the world works in mysterious ways. I think McCarthy dodged a bullet here big time.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes. There was only one great job last year. That was the Chargers. Harbaugh took it. I think there were two really interesting jobs this year. Drake May and the Patriots were the most cap space in the room. And I think the Bears is very interesting because the roster's good. And Caleb. But in. If you think about J. Mack, there's about seven jobs open a year. If you go back a decade, there's always one really good job and then there's a couple. You're like, maybe that works. But over half are like, hazmat spills. Like, you should not take them. I mean, New Orleans has zero cap space. They're in cap hell, and they don't have a star quarterback, and the quarterback's older and kind of expensive, and they don't have a lot of elite players. That's not an elite job. I mean, why would Mike McCarthy step in from one dysfunctional place to another place with major issues? So I think McCarthy just saying. I'm going to go to next year. I think it's. I think it's. I think I'm surprised that nobody offered him a job, but I think he's better off.

[J. Mac]

Well, how's this? Why would Kellen Moore be looking to leave the Eagles? Because he's gonna go to the Saints.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. But again, a million and a half a year to 7 to 10. A lot of this is financial for young guys.

[J. Mac]

You Know, we talk about this, movies, sports, media, like literally any job out there. You got to be careful just to get to the top spot. Because I'm telling you, man, this New Orleans Saints job, Kellen Moore could be out of a job in two years. And then is he getting another head coach again?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, here's the thing though, that is easier to say for like a Mike McCarthy who's made a ton of money. He's got a 50 million dollar net worth. That's harder to say to a young guy who's never gotten rich, who played football.

[J. Mac]

He was an NFL quarterback for five years. I know he wasn't making 20 million.

[Colin Cowherd]

A year, but he was a back quarterback quarterback in the NFL.

[J. Mac]

He's been an offensive coordinator. You chasing money. He's only 36. I'm just telling you that you look at that same thruster, that outlook, it is not.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, you know, I keep telling you, stop chasing.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I talked about it elsewhere. Shall we say we won't talk about it on this show. Anyways, final story. Colin. Listen, it's NFL draft season and Daniel Jeremiah, you know, we, we love that guy. He's very good, sharp individual. He has put out his initial mock draft. There are some surprises here. Now I don't think Jeremiah is one of these hot take guys looking to make noise, but he has Abdul Carter from Penn State going number one.

[Colin Cowherd]

He is the best player.

[J. Mac]

I don't dispute him being the best player.

[Colin Cowherd]

I believe Abdul Carter is the best player. I think t max the second best player receiver from Arizona.

[J. Mac]

So he has TTMAC going eighth to Carolina, which I like a lot.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So this doesn't mean they're the best player. You're saying this is what he's predicting? Where they go? Yes.

[J. Mac]

Now, Colin, let's be real. Brian Callahan finally got a head coaching job. I think they were 2 and 15 against the spread. They were the worst team in the league. If they trot out will Levis, Brian Callahan will be out of a job this time next year. He will not be coaching a third year.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is interesting.

[J. Mac]

You can't take Abdul Carter first. You cannot.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why not?

[J. Mac]

You have to take a quarterback.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, you don't.

[J. Mac]

So what are you going to do? Tell me the game plan so Callahan keeps his job. Give it to me.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think you, if you feel good, you only been coaching one year, I think you go to your owner and say, listen, we don't think this, this, these quarterbacks are B prospects. We can win seven games of what we have. Which gives Us the opportunity. After the Giants get their quarterback and maybe the Browns or the Raiders get their quarterback, who's going to need a quarterback next year? We're getting to a saturation point. There's like four teams next year that need a quarterback. If the Giants get theirs, if the Browns get theirs, if the Raiders get theirs, who needs a quarterback?

[J. Mac]

We just saw two NFL head coaches, Pierce and Patriots guy Mayo, both one and done. NFL owners are not sitting around and waiting. I'm telling you, Callahan, if he does not take a quarterback or somehow luck into Aaron Rodgers or something in free agency, he's gone after next season.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's funny. What's happening here is Shadour Sanders and this happens is getting so nitpicked. Speaking of sons proving that I, I do like to see dad and sons when I think they're both legitimate. Shadour Sanders now is getting so nitpicked. And we're so in love with Travis Hunter and Cam Ward. And I've, I've, I've Talked to now three, three different GMs. They all like Shadour Sanders. They don't think he's an A. But I will just tell you, Shedeur, Sanders is a starting quarterback in this league and is incredibly accurate. Moving left, moving right off platform, going back. Shador is an NFL quarterback. So, so why bash Bonnie in the opening? But let me tell you, Shador Sanders is a real player.

[J. Mac]

He, he has Shadour going six to the Raiders. We know he wants to go to the Raiders.

[Colin Cowherd]

He goes to the Raiders. Pete Carroll is very lucky. Way worse than your first pick is to do or Sanders.

[J. Mac]

The other issue I have with Jeremiah is Cleveland not taking a quarterback, given DeSean Watson just popped his Achilles twice. And you're gonna go Travis Hunter. Listen, I like Hunter. I don't. His generational stuff is overblown. Cam Ward to the New York Giants. Sounds good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, it's.

[J. Mac]

How about my guy Tyler Warren to the Jets?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm gonna tell you something.

[J. Mac]

I love that Tyler Warren is a stud. He's not Brock Bauer stud, but he's really good. And Mikhail Williams, who Texas quarterbacks are, you know, still having nightmares about what he did to them in Texas earlier this season. Williams is an animal off the edge. I like him to New Orleans at 9.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let me tell you something. If that kid from Arizona drops to 8, that will be the steal of the draft.

[J. Mac]

Him and Bryce Young.

[Colin Cowherd]

There is a general manager I know who thinks that's the best player in the draft. Abdul Carter second. That Arizona kid. It was unstoppable in high school, unstoppable in Colle. I'm telling you, he is unbelievable.

[J. Mac]

For what it's worth, Jeremiah in his write up compared McMillan T. Mac to Drake London, which is good, but not like.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no. He's. I, I like Drake London a lot. He's better than Drake London and I like Drake London a lot. Drake's excellent.

[J. Mac]

Last one. Ashton Genti and the Cowboys, which basically.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, can I throw this at you? Get into the draft, the most overdrafted player is going to be Genti. So this is a great running back draft. It is unbelievable. The 13th, 14th best running back to me is 80% of Genti.

[J. Mac]

Ohio State has two guys who are 80%, both excellent.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is not a draft to take a running back in the first round. It's just a lot. And he is not Saquon. He's not Ezekiel Elliott where he's in a major conference and literally with a battle line and I mean Saquon had a battle line at Penn State and was unstoppable in a major conference. I like Genti, but in a stacked running back draft class.

[J. Mac]

I think this is an overreaction to the Penn State game. I'm, you know genty, you watch just the highlights.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's good, he's good. I'm not.

[J. Mac]

Look the Oregon highlights. He looks like and I'm sorry to say that he looks like Barry Sanders.

[Colin Cowherd]

And some Oregon highlights.

[J. Mac]

The kid is special.

[Colin Cowherd]

I have changed my. I am allowed to change my mind and I have come to the conclusion this running back draft is the best in forever. I the player I'll use because I watch them play every game is the kid at USC. Woody Marks. Woody Marks is. Is listed as the 14th best running back in this draft. He is a starting running back in the NFL on 25, 23 teams. This draft is not a draft. You can get 90%, 80% of Genty, second, third, fourth round.

[J. Mac]

I know we're running long, but here the Blick Corum who we loved coming out of Michigan could barely get on the field with the Rams.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he had an injury and I don't think he's ever quite been the same post injury. Fair. I mean, I think that's fair. He broke his forearm.

[J. Mac]

Somebody's running back with major tread on the tires coming out of college. I think you have to be a little cautious of that.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. I'll tell you something, the Raiders get Shadour Sanders if he falls to them. Man, that is because the Raiders need a quarterback, a receiver and a back. They got their tackles, their center and Brock Bowers. They just need it. They need a number one receiver, a quarterback, a number one running back that because Pete's gonna coach the heck out of him. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kobe Known Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media media. That's Cavino and Rich. Traveling to see your fave sports team is cool, but traveling with AMEX Platinum for the big game is even better. Right this way. With access to dedicated card member entrances at select events, you can skip the line. And with access to the Centurion Lounge.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.

[Colin Cowherd]

There was something sentimental when you. When you send it, it's like, do I send the heart now?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't like the color edition.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's extremely pink.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[D]

Hey, everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch and I'm exhausted. But turns out the end is near. Right in time for a new season of my podcast, Next Question. This podcast is for people like me who need a little perspective and insight. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Van Jones, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun, even though these days fun and politics seems like an oxymoron. But we'll do that thanks to some of my friends like Samantha bee, Roy Wood Jr. And Charlemagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Power to the podcast for the people. So whether you're obsessed with the news or just trying to figure out what's going on, this season of Next Question is for you. Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[J. Mac]

Next week, we are headed to New Orleans. The herd and the entire FS1 lineup will be live from Bourbon street on Thursday. And Friday, as we get ready for Super Bowl 59 and next Friday, we have a Super bowl special at 4 Eastern on Fox. Will be joined by special guests all week long. Can't wait for super bowl Week on FS1.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, have you ever had a beignet in New Orleans?

[J. Mac]

No, I've never been to New Orleans.

[Colin Cowherd]

You've never been?

[J. Mac]

I will be living it up. If I'm late for a show next week, just know where I am.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oysters are unbelievable. I've heard beignets are unbelievable. And they have all sorts of coffees today. J. Mac, by the way, is having his first ever Cafe Americano, which I've been trying to. I've been telling him for a year, I gave up coffee. I. I go to Cafe Americano. I am more sophisticated.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, I felt after that brawny opening, I need to dial it back a little bit. Like coffee, a little change up.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, I supported Shador Sanders. I'm four great athletes having kids that play. I was a Ken Griffey Jr. Freak forever. But don't pretend something's happening when it's not happening. That's all I'm saying about Bronnie. So Pete Carroll was being very diplomatic. He was on a podcast yesterday and he was asked about the chance of a reconciliation or Russell Wilson could be on the market and he could be the Raiders quarterback. And Pete was being very diplomatic. It's so early. I mean, we're just in the midst of just trying to, you know, find the puzzle pieces, not even get putting them together yet. So I really, I can't. I can't even say. I mean, guys are still. Free agency hasn't come yet. That's the first competitive opportunity that will occur. And then the draft is coming. We'll have that opportunity to do things.

[J. Mac]

I can't tell you right now.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, I could, I could guess, but it would just be a guess. Some movies, they're not worth a sequel. And because I'm from the Pacific Northwest, the Pete Russell Legion of Boom Seahawks, it was the first team my sister ever liked. My sister's not into sports. We started texting about sports on Sunday. Really connected because of Russell and the Seahawks and I. There's two quarterbacks that Greg Cosell and I, only two that I can think of have ever really disagreed about. I like Trevor Lawrence and Russell always more than he did. And I may be 0 for 2. Trevor Lawrence does not have the obsessiveness. I think you need to go from good to very good and great. He's plateaued. I'm not sure if he loves the sport. He's good at it, he's talented. I feel like this is just what he's willing to be. And we keep blaming coaches and Russell Wilson. I always thought he led the potential dynasty. It was him. Not him alone, but him. But if you look back, he was small, he was creative, he was elusive. I'd never seen anything quite like him at the time. I think I compared him to a 1970 quarterback, Fran Tarkenton or maybe Roger Staubach. I'd never quite seen it. I think he got other guys drafted. But Greg Cosell would always say he's not really good from the pocket. I can't really explain it, but it's almost like they're like when he goes back to pass, he already knows that he's going to leave the pocket. He doesn't really feel comfortable in the pocket Now. I think Jalen Hurts is not a great pocket quarterback, but I do think he does feel comfortable in the pocket. I still don't think Russell does. I just couldn't see through the fog of maybe it was my sister's love for the Seahawks. That was my favorite team growing up. But I. I would say this. Not all movies need a sequel. The best the Seahawks were is when they were called Legion of Boom. And when the Seahawks started to regress, it was called Let Russ Cook. And I. I thought it was great. I bought into the hype. But if I take a step back, I was. I was kind of critical of the. The Pete Carol, Russell Wilson thing. I like, didn't get it. What are you doing, Pete? But in the end, John Snyder got himself out of Russia, built a great roster. Now they're still looking for a quarterback, but it is a really good roster in Seattle. And Denver got stuck with a quarterback they didn't want. And now Pittsburgh's got a quarterback they're not sure about and probably don't want. And so I would say in this instance, no sequel. It was great. It was magical. It was really brief. It's not going to be Brady Belichick, some of this stuff in the NFL. Sam Darnold and the Vikings. One year feels like it was perfect. Sam's gonna get paid. J.J. mcCarthy got hurt. It was one year. And I really feel like Russ and Seattle about the. Seattle needed a quarterback. They. At one point they traded for Charlie Whitehurst. They didn't. Matt Flynn. They didn't know Pete was in trouble. Seven, nine. Seven and nine. We gotta get a quarterback. And it was magical. For about a six, seven year run, Pete was out of usc. You know, he's drafting all sorts of players in the fifth, sixth round that end up great players. But I've just come to terms with not every great head coach quarterback combo is any more than one year. Darnold and the Vikings, one year was perfect. If you extend it to four, you're probably getting in the way of J.J. mcCarthy's development. Just it was a one great year. The rush thing felt like six to seven really strong years. They probably could have moved off a couple years earlier and I was wrong on that one. Saints, for the record, still do not have a head coach. Kellen Moore, my guess is is the coach. They're just waiting for the super bowl to end. So I don't love the idea of hiring the last coach. That means you get the scraps on the coordinators and assistants. He'll have to take somebody from Philadelphia or several people on the Eagles staff. Andy Reid is around the corner, the best coach in football, maybe ever. Certainly now he will join us live. This is the Herd.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17, 500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball check trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[D]

Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's up, everyone? Julie Swearbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go, Energy Line with Nate and jsb. Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right? And you'll never know who will drop by to join us. Yeah, Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb starting on February 4th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[J. Mac]

What's up everybody?

[Colin Cowherd]

Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast.

[J. Mac]

It's NHL Unscripted with Virk and Demers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jason Demers here. And after playing 700 NHL games, I got a lot of dirty laundry to air out.

[J. Mac]

Hey, I got a lot to say here too, okay? Each week we'll get together to chat.

[Colin Cowherd]

About the sport that we love. Tons of guests are are going to.

[J. Mac]

Join into, but we're not just going.

[Colin Cowherd]

To be talking hockey, folks. We're talking movies. We're talking tv, food, and Adnan's favorite wrestling. It's all on le table.

[J. Mac]

Listen to NHL Unscripted with Vir and.

[Colin Cowherd]

Demers in the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.