Hour 1 – The Bears Fire Matt Eberflus

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: Hour 1 – The Bears Fire Matt Eberflus
Release Date: November 29, 2024
Host/Authors: Lavar Arrington, Jonas Knox, Albert Breer, and Doug Gottlieb
Description: This episode delves into the Chicago Bears' recent decision to fire head coach Matt Eberflus following a disappointing game against the Detroit Lions. The hosts provide in-depth analysis, discuss the implications for the team, and explore potential future coaching changes within the NFL.

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1. Introduction to the Bears' Performance

The episode opens with the hosts addressing the Chicago Bears' ongoing struggles this season. They highlight the team's recent eighth consecutive loss, which was particularly disheartening given the Bears' high expectations.

Albert Breer [04:00]:
"Detroit Lions are staring an eighth loss in a row on Thanksgiving. Even in the midst of being the best team in football pot, they still wanted to lose it."

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2. Game Analysis: Bears vs. Lions

The discussion centers around the Bears' performance in their Thanksgiving game against the Detroit Lions. The hosts critique the team's offensive strategy, particularly focusing on quarterback Caleb Williams' late-game decisions.

Doug Gottlieb [04:20]:
"They were trying. I mean, you got to halftime and the Bears had I think one or two first downs that they picked up on the final drive before half. Other than that, the Lions were dominating."

Albert Breer [05:35]:
"Caleb Williams is good, man, dude. And kind of sucks that he's in the situation he's in. Caleb was picking himself up the entire game."

The hosts express concern over the Bears' inability to capitalize on opportunities, citing poor clock management and questionable play-calling during critical moments.

Doug Gottlieb [12:38]:
"The whole operation... It's third down. You can run a quick play, get down and spike it just like you did the previous week when you set up for the tying field goal against Minnesota."

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3. Caleb Williams' Role and Team Dynamics

Caleb Williams, the Bears' rookie quarterback, is a focal point of the discussion. The hosts debate whether his struggles are a result of inadequate support from the coaching staff or inherent issues with his performance under pressure.

Albert Breer [07:22]:
"You got a doomsday. You got Keenan Allen who finally I mean, route on the poetic. Beautiful."

Lavar Arrington [27:08]:
"You have a situation where clearly, you know, rookie quarterback was sort of struggling with what to do in the final minute. And you watch Caleb, you can see the wheels turning in his head."

The conversation emphasizes the need for the Bears to build a more supportive environment around Williams to harness his potential and prevent further setbacks.

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4. Critique of Matt Eberflus' Coaching Decisions

Matt Eberflus, the Bears' head coach, faces substantial criticism for his handling of the game, particularly his decision not to call a timeout in a crucial moment that could have altered the game's outcome.

Doug Gottlieb [10:07]:
"Matt Eberflusse spoke today with the media in Chicago and tried to explain away what the hell was going on. Final 30 seconds of that Game with a timeout remaining. What are you doing a sack game out it just."

Albert Breer [12:01]:
"They were moving so slow for one for two. Like this is the last play of the game. Like, you knew that when they were snapping the ball, it was like three seconds left, right? Something like that. Six seconds. Six seconds. Call timeout."

The hosts argue that Eberflus' in-game management demonstrated a lack of preparedness and strategic foresight, undermining the team's chances of securing a win.

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5. Breaking News: Firing of Matt Eberflus

In a pivotal moment of the episode, breaking news is announced: the Chicago Bears have fired Matt Eberflus as head coach, marking a historic first in the franchise's over a century-long history.

Albert Breer [23:13]:
"Yeah, so the Bears are firing Matty Flutes Thomas Brown's going to be the interim coach. We're still getting as we go along here, but yeah, I mean, I guess not a real shocker."

Doug Gottlieb [27:08]:
"Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB with the breaking news that the Chicago Bears have just fired Matt Eberflusse as head coach following yesterday's disastrous ending."

The firing is attributed to the culmination of poor performance and questionable coaching decisions, particularly in high-stakes moments.

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6. Implications and Future Coaching Changes

Post-announcement, the hosts explore the potential repercussions of Eberflus' firing and speculate on possible candidates to fill the vacant head coach position. They discuss the Bears' need to find a coach who can better support Caleb Williams and improve the team's overall performance.

Lavar Arrington [35:28]:
"Ben Johnson, I think if you'd ask him a year ago, it might have been the job he wanted. I don't know if that's going to be the case the same way they're in division with them obviously."

The conversation extends to broader NFL coaching trends, referencing successful coaching partnerships and the importance of aligning coaching strategies with player strengths.

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7. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Discussions

The episode concludes with a preview of upcoming segments, including a special edition of "Herdline News" that will delve deeper into the coaching changes and their impact on the Bears' future.

Doug Gottlieb [48:51]:
"Breaking news out of the NFL. The Bears a short time ago announced the firing of Matt Eberflusse as their head coach. Thomas Brown will serve as the interim head coach there. That is the latest from Chicago level. More on that throughout the course of the show."

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Notable Quotes

• Albert Breer [05:35]:
  "Caleb Williams is good, man, dude. And kind of sucks that he's in the situation he's in."

• Doug Gottlieb [12:38]:
  "The whole operation... It's third down. You can run a quick play, get down and spike it just like you did the previous week when you set up for the tying field goal against Minnesota."

• Lavar Arrington [35:28]:
  "Ben Johnson, I think if you'd ask him a year ago, it might have been the job he wanted."

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" provides a comprehensive analysis of the Chicago Bears' recent struggles, culminating in the unprecedented firing of head coach Matt Eberflus. The hosts critically examine the factors leading to this decision, emphasizing the need for better coaching strategies and support systems to harness the potential of key players like Caleb Williams. The discussions also touch upon broader NFL coaching dynamics, setting the stage for future conversations on team management and performance.

Transcript

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[Albert Breer]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Albert Breer]

Only three. I wish we could hang out with our peeps for longer than that, but we'll make it work. Yeah, you know, let's. Let's do what we can do.

[Doug Gottlieb]

So let's dive right into it because there, there is a. I'll just put it this way. Whatever issues you have in your life and there could be a lot of things going wrong, just take solace in.

[Albert Breer]

The fact you're not a Beers fan.

[Doug Gottlieb]

That is correct.

[Albert Breer]

Which is funny because only up till recently you would have said that about both these teams.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It's just now all of a sudden.

[Albert Breer]

It'S cool to be a Lions fan.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Detroit Lions are staring an eighth loss in a row on Thanksgiving. Even in the midst of being the best team in football pot, they still.

[Albert Breer]

Wanted to lose it.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Oh my God. They were trying. I mean, you got to halftime and the Bears had I think one or two first downs that they picked up on the final drive before half. Other than that, the Lions were dominating and it was only a two score game and it's 16 nothing and you're thinking, well, it's a little bit close. And then as this happens, then it gets real close.

[Albert Breer]

Like wait, wait, hold on a second. Like it feels like a blowout because you.

[Doug Gottlieb]

But it's not a blowout because this is the same thing that has gone on for this team and we've talked about it on our show. Show ad Nauseam. Like, hey, there's a theme here. Caleb Williams figures things out late games.

[Albert Breer]

Caleb Williams is good man, dude. And kind of sucks that he's in the situation he's in.

[Doug Gottlieb]

And he was rolling. And then somehow, some way they figure out a way to crap it away and blow the game and cost themselves an opportunity to win.

[Albert Breer]

All right, now let me ask you this before we go any further. Yeah. Because we've had multiple conversations about Caleb Williams and had he gone to a better organization. Caleb Williams is probably talked about much differently than how he is right now. He was under duress, like all game.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Albert Breer]

Like Zadarius, all those guys. Like, I didn't realize he's the most hit quarterback in the league, but he was, he was picking himself up the entire game.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Albert Breer]

That is a real thing. Like you can get hit so much as a quarterback that at some point you're. You're ruined. Who was that car? The first car. Not, not David Carr was ruined by just getting. They hit him too much.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Well, you gotta ask Ephraim Salam his thoughts on that. Because Ephraim Salam, you know, he doesn't agree with that. Well, he just thinks, hey listen, man, you know when, when a guy's scrambling and he runs out of bounds four yards behind the line of scrimmage, that counts as a sack given up on the offensive line.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Doug Gottlieb]

He's all throw the ball away. So that doesn't, you know.

[Albert Breer]

Ye. They let that man get hit way too much. Yeah, he did. Shouts out. And all respect to my homie Ephraim. He's a good dude. That's my guy. What up, E. But let me tell you something. Y'all was letting that man get hit too much and he got shell shocked, bro. Like. And I think that Caleb is not going. I just don't think he has the mental makeup to become a shell shocked type of guy or finds himself with the yips because of everything that took place. But what I will say is he continues to compete and he continues to try to find a way yet. And still. And I think that's always going to be the conversation about some. Someone who could possibly be a franchise guy bonafide at the league level is they do it in spite of this. Bears team is not a good team. They have some pieces on both sides of the ball, but for some strange reason they have not found a way to be a better team than what they have been yet. I look at this and I say, you got a doomsday. You got Keenan Allen who finally I.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Mean, route on the poetic.

[Albert Breer]

Beautiful.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Right?

[Albert Breer]

Just artistry. I would say you do have the makings of saying, okay, build out, build out, build out. Develop this year. Figure out what you need to do to put in place for, for Caleb. Like you got a running back. Like if you keep swift and Swift stays healthy, you've got a running back, you've got receivers, you got a few offensive linemen, you need more. You have, you have linebackers, you have, you have a secondary, but you need more. If they can figure out how to build a formidable group of personnel around Caleb Williams, next year could be serious because this is a competitive team that can't win right now. They're not a non competitive team. This is not a team that you're looking at. And it's like the game we'll talk about after this one. It's not like you're looking at a New York Giants team that you really have nothing to stand on at all. This is a team where you could say, I feel really good about Caleb Williams. Just don't ruin it. Don't ruin it for the city. Don't ruin it for this, this, this player that is such a young, bright star. Don't ruin it. Do what you need to do. I don't care if it's a coaching change. Bring in somebody that he can relate to or that understands what's going on, like they're out there. I mean, we'll talk about the Green Bay game. I have more and more of a respect for Matt LaFleur every single day, bro. Every single day. My, my, my buildup and growth of respect for what he does as a coach gets higher. Bring in a guy. If this guy currently is not the guy to do it, cut the court now. Bring in a guy that can get the most, like a Dan Campbell that can get the most out of this team so that you can get the most out of Kayla Williams. It would be one of the biggest waste if Caleb Williams doesn't turn out to be one of the top quarterbacks in this league.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Well, the guy that you're referring to is Matt Eberfluse.

[Albert Breer]

Eberflusse.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I almost said LaFleur.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah, because you wanted it to be La Florida.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I did. Because they'd be 9 and 3. Instead they're 4 and 8 and they're looking at another top 10 draft pick based on how the season has gone. But Matt Eberflusse spoke today with the media in Chicago and tried to explain away what the hell was going. Final 30 seconds of that Game with a timeout remaining. What are you doing a sack game out it just.

[Albert Breer]

What are you doing? And for the record, Jonas, for the record, you got to think about this. If the receiver keeps running, that's six points. If you watch the play again, the receiver turns around, slows down. If the receiver keeps running, that's six points. That's six points.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It's the whole operation.

[Albert Breer]

So the ball was where it needed to be. But I will say this. They should have called time out.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah. And so Matt Eberfe.

[Albert Breer]

And they should have been moving quicker than what they were on the play before. But go ahead.

[Doug Gottlieb]

So Matt Eberflusse spoke earlier about his decision to not call the time out there.

[Lavar Arrington]

We got sacked and it was, you know, third and 26, you know, with the 36 seconds there.

[Albert Breer]

Got sacked there at 32.

[Lavar Arrington]

And then our decision at that point was to be on the ball, hold our timeout, and get the playoff at.

[Albert Breer]

15 to 10 seconds in that range, throw it into the field goal range there and then call timeout, and then kick the game winner on fourth down.

[Lavar Arrington]

The operation wasn't fast enough, and we didn't do a good job of executing.

[Albert Breer]

There in that moment.

[Lavar Arrington]

And that was the decision that we.

[Albert Breer]

Made and went with during that time. And also know that the other option that you could have had was at.

[Lavar Arrington]

You know, 30 to 28 seconds. You call a timeout there, and then you have no timeouts. You throw the ball the same type of play, throw it in there, and then you do your fast field goal into the game there, and then kick the.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Kick the game or the game tire.

[Albert Breer]

There to force it to overtime. So those are the two options that we had. We want the first option.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Albert Breer]

It wasn't close.

[Lavar Arrington]

No.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, those were. Those were the two options. Did you know that at the time? Because I don't know that anybody do that at the time. Like, it's.

[Albert Breer]

They were moving so slow for one for two. Like this is the last play of the game. Like, you knew that when they. When they were snapping the ball, it was like three seconds left, right? Something like that. Six seconds. Six seconds.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Albert Breer]

Call timeout. You know, it's the last play of.

[Doug Gottlieb]

The game when he gets sacked. Call timeout.

[Albert Breer]

Call timeout.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It's third down. You can run a quick play, get down and spike it just like you did the previous week when you set up for the tying field goal against Minnesota or run a play out of bounds.

[Jonas Knox]

What?

[Doug Gottlieb]

You just need a field goal to tie.

[Albert Breer]

You saw proper clock. Manager gets the W's.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Look, I'm telling you right now, I wonder if they're, if they're so scared of attempting a field goal based on what's happened the past couple of weeks. And they're like, yeah, we know three ties, but we're going to go for the win here. Like, I, I, I cannot explain.

[Albert Breer]

Definitely went for the win.

[Doug Gottlieb]

What that was. I don't. And look, Caleb Williams had an, he should have called time out of time. He's culpable on this as well too. But the coach is supposed to be the fail safe for a rookie quarterback, or any quarterback for that matter. He o, he's the guy running the team. He's standing there looking around and even Tony Romo, who hasn't prepped for a game in 30 years, is saying, whoa, what are you doing? Call timeout, Jim. Everybody's saying, watch it. Like I'm watching in shock. Like my son is rifling down a cinnamon roll faster than anything I've ever seen in my life. He looks like the fat guy off Stand by me in the pie eating contest. And I've got to make sure he's not choking. But I'm looking at the Bears game going, what is happening here? I can't, I don't get it. None of it makes any sense.

[Albert Breer]

That's what makes it make sense is the lack of sin.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Is it worse than the Hail Mary loss?

[Albert Breer]

Because I think that's what I'm saying. Commanders showed you how to do it. Why did y'all do it the way they did it?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay. Swear to God, I think it's worse than the commanders.

[Albert Breer]

They were close. They were close. They were close. And like you said, it wasn't a lot of time, but they only needed three points. They only needed three points. So I'm going to take my chances with trying to get the ball out of bounds. Keep the ball going out of bounds for the couple plays that you have. Maybe you do a deep ball, maybe you do it deep ball to get into what would be perceived as field goal range and you take a try at it and see if you could get it into overtime. That's, I mean, you were, no one was expecting this team to be that close to Detroit. And for what it's worth, it didn't feel like a game that was close. It just, it felt like they were getting dominated. They were getting handled up front. The running game was working. They talked about Sonic and Knuckles, you know, the, the, the, the backfill being as impressive as it is for so cheesy Jesus. Their shoes were kind of tight though. Like the Sonic the Hedgehog and the Knuckle shoes. They were kind of tight.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Let's be cartoon characters. Like.

[Albert Breer]

Well, their shoes.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay.

[Albert Breer]

Their shoes and their nicknames. I mean, right? Yeah. Earth, Wind and Fire for the Giants with Bradshaw and Jacobs was the third one on that branch. Bradshaw, Jacobs, who was the third one? There was another one. I'm forgetting this and ah, man, what's his name? I played with him.

[Doug Gottlieb]

The other running back.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah, I played with him. I can't remember it off the top of my head, but they were Earth, Wind and Fire. Like the singing group. Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek. What's his last name? Come on, man. Come on.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Come on. Lee. Derek White.

[Albert Breer]

No, no, no. Anyway, I'm just saying. Derek Ward. Shots out. I'm sorry. Derek D. Ward. Listen, that's a good backfield and that's a really good team and they are as good as advertised. I just felt as though that was interesting because the Bears had a strong opportunity to take advantage of a divisional opponent that is the top in the N and possibly get it to overtime or possibly even maybe after getting dominated, dominated the way that they did actually have a chance to win the game and they, they blew the opportunity.

[Doug Gottlieb]

You know, made a great point that. So Olin Krutz guy you played against Chicago Bear legend. So he was doing a post game show on the score in Chicago and he made a great point where he said, I was watching the game and for the first time I realized, oh, the Bears have the playmaker at quarterback. Like if somebody's going to win, like if one of the quarterbacks was going to win that game for their team, it was going to be Caleb Williams.

[Albert Breer]

Jared Goff is having a year, Doc. No, no.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I'm not saying on the year in that game yesterday, Caleb Williams.

[Albert Breer]

Was the one making the play, making throws, making runs.

[Doug Gottlieb]

And then it just, it was getting.

[Albert Breer]

Laced up though, bro.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Laced up. And then like he took that hit to the hip or whatever it was and then threw a touchdown pass right afterwards. He threw the dime to DJ Moore and on the sideline into the end zone, bro. He was.

[Albert Breer]

Play was a dime for a touchdown. If everybody out there listening, you get an opportunity. Look at the last play of the Bears Detroit lion game. But it was in position to be a touchdown catch. If that receiver runs to the point of where the ball is supposed to where the ball was. If he's running instead of turned around looking, turn around, look, go like get the ball. If he does that that's six points. I mean, that's six points. So I'm with you there and I'm with Olin on that. But I ain't going. I'm not going to undersell what what Jared was bringing on the table. Jared was bringing it to the table yesterday, too.

[Doug Gottlieb]

There's no underselling. But Detroit was rattled down the str.

[Albert Breer]

They were. I don't think they could understand why the game was as close as it was the way they were playing, and.

[Doug Gottlieb]

The Bears bailed them out with another disaster. When it comes to situational football, which situational football is that or is that not on the coach?

[Albert Breer]

Like, I mean, the situational football is on the coach.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Just ridiculous. But hey, you know, at least it's a good conversation. It is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. So we are going to have a conversation with somebody next here on the show and we're going to find out whether or not we could see a major change for one coach in the NFL before the end of the day. That'll be yours right here on fsr.

[Albert Breer]

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Sports Radio, Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling and company here on the show. All right, so coming up we are going to have a very special edition of the Herdline News. It's a hardline news you've never heard before, so we will get into that for you right here on fsr. But right now we turn it over to Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL Reporter, Lead Content strategist at the MMQBT Breer on X ab. We know it's the game this weekend, but we do have some breaking news that I think you just tweeted out, according to sources in Chicago.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah, so the Bears are firing Matty Flutes Thomas Brown's going to be the interim coach. We're still getting as we go along here, but yeah, I mean, I guess not a real shocker. It's actually interesting because the Bears coaches were set to go through their meetings and everything else and be off at noon Central today. So now it's done and Thomas Brown takes over for the time being and obviously a lot to come.

[Albert Breer]

We just talked about this in the first segment. I mean, if you're going to cut the court, cut the court, because you don't want to risk the actual deal of being one of the teams or a team that falls on the list of biggest waste of player and of a draft pick in the history of the game. And I think we all see the potential in Caleb Williams. AB I'm curious how much of this game had to do with him, you know, losing his job. Was this, do you, do you feel like this was something in the making or was this purely based upon the bad clock management at the end of the game and the fact that they could have possibly won against the top team in their division and in the conference on Thanksgiving?

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah, I'd say this is maybe like the final draw, you know, and I, I think Lavar as you know, like these things, a lot of times can come down to where the locker room is on the coach. Right. And, you know, as things get, as the heat turns up, sometimes there's finger pointing and everything else. And, you know, I don't think any team, you know, even if things go really bad, wants to go through this sort of upheaval in the season where they fire an offensive coordinator, fire a head coach a couple weeks later. However, I do think some of the things that happened at the end of the game last year, last, yesterday, play into this. And maybe the biggest thing to me, at least, is where, you know, you have, is where is where you have a situation where clearly, you know, rookie quarterback was sort of struggling with what to do in the, in the final minute. And I, you know, you watch Caleb, you can see the wheels turning in his head. And I don't think that in a vacuum, is the end of the world. What I do think is a problem is when Matt Eberfluss stepped to the podium afterwards and basically more or less absolved himself and his staff of blame. You know, I just think that's one of those situations where, you know, even if it was on Caleb, that's a rookie quarterback out there, it's on you for not managing that situation accordingly, you know, and so whether it's Having the guy, you're having the guy more ready for the situation or knowing that he's going to struggle in that situation. So you call the timeout quicker, regardless of what it is. Like you can't point the finger at the player, you know, And I think that that's how you lose a team. And I'm not saying that either. Flutes lost the team completely. They obviously played hard yesterday and they played hard this year in general, you know, but I think in a situation like that, that's where you start to look at it and say, okay, that was a mismanaged situation. It's not the first time that's happening. We already pulled the trigger on changing offensive coordinators and now here we go. Like, you know, how is the coach going to react to it in the aftermath? In the aftermath was, you know, I think was trying to be honest. You know, I don't think he was. I don't think there was ill intent. But you know, I think that, you know, if you're a player in that locker room, you look at it, you say, well, you're blaming a rookie. You know, it's not really the right thing to do in that situation.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB with the breaking news that the Chicago Bears have just fired Matt Eberflusse as head coach following yesterday's disastrous ending. And they've never done this in the history of the organization. They've been around over a century and they've never fired a coach in season. And one of the conversations that was being had before the game was, well, if they get blown out and it looks really ugly, could there be a coaching change on Friday? I almost think, look, if they would have lost that game by, you know, 16, 17 points, whatever it was, Matty Braflus is still the coach. Just the optics of how that all played out, just not great. And when you consider end of game situations like Washington, you know, the packers, and then the next week they get a field goal blocked again from the same exact spot, it just felt like it was heading in this direction. My question to UAB would be what? Normally it feels like this is where they would go in the direction of an offensive minded coach for the permanent job. And you know, Ben Johnson's name's been out there. So there's some good candidates though.

[Lavar Arrington]

Agree with you. Here's where I would, here's, you know, where my, my warning about that sort of idea comes in. I just feel like sometimes that's what bad franchises do, and I hate to put it that way, but it's like, I think sometimes temptation is when you go one way and it doesn't work to correct by going the other direction altogether. You know what I mean? Like, so we didn't like the defense coach, so we're going to go with the offensive coach. We didn't like the first coach, so we're going to go with the experienced coach. We didn't like the players coach, so we're going to go with the hard ass. You know what I mean? Like, and I feel like teams do that enough times and you start to lose any sort of identity that the franchise might have or have an opportunity to build, you know, so, like, I just, you know, and again, like, you know, I think you can see that in the Bears, right? Like, so the Bears went from, you know, the offensive guru in Mark Tressman to then to then go on with the experienced, you know, super bowl coach and John Fox, then back to the young offensive guru and Matt Maggie, then to the rising experienced defensive coach, swing right back. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, I think sometimes you do that enough times and it's like, like, well, you're not really doing anything. You know what I mean? Like, so, yeah, I agree with you that they need people around Caleb Williams to nurture him and bring him along. I also think you can kind of cut off your knees despite your face sometimes if you're just looking in one bucket. Like, I think the pairs owe it to themselves here to not, like, limit themselves that way. And maybe you wind up on the offensive coach anyway. But last time I checked, what, Tom Brady had a pretty good career playing for Bill Belichick. Russell Williams. Wilson had a great decade playing for Pete Carroll. Lamar Jackson's had a great career to this point playing for John Harbaugh. You know what I mean? Like, so, I mean, you show me the evidence. I mean, yeah, you have Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. So it's happened, you know, for sure. But I don't think there's overwhelming evidence that you have to do it that way to get it right with the quarterback.

[Albert Breer]

A.B. you mentioned a lot of coaches there that have had success with their quarterbacks. Another team, another two teams that were playing.

[Lavar Arrington]

I'll give you one more. I'll give you one more.

[Albert Breer]

Give us one more.

[Lavar Arrington]

But I forgot because I don't want. I don't want to be. I don't want to be Disrespectful here, but another obvious one. Jim Mora and Tony Donji and Peyton Manning. Right?

[Albert Breer]

Yeah. Okay, that's a good one.

[Lavar Arrington]

There you go. Anyway, anyway, go ahead.

[Albert Breer]

Well, I was going to ask when. When you look at what took place with the Cowboys and the Giants yesterday, obviously in a way a feel good story for, for the Cowboys to be able to find their way to a two game winning streak after losing their franchise quarterback to injury. But then you look at the other side of it and it's like, wow, what a really, really bad team in the New York Giants. And looking at it, not many people would say day Ball is a bad coach. In fact, many people lied the type of coach that day Ball is. But is it has it come to a point of where maybe you know, looking at it from what their record is a two win record and they just lose again on, on Thanksgiving that his, his time is, is more so than now with, you know, McCarthy out of those two teams in NFC East. If you would have said to me which guy, which team is going to go for a new head coach come the off season, I would have said 100% it would be the Cowboys. While now it looks like it's going to be the New York Giants.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah, I mean there's a lot there. Lavar. Like I would say like it's uglier right now in New York. I mean that's think here, here's the one. I mean I think you have to give McCarthy some credit for them fighting the last couple of weeks the way they have. Right. Like they've looked dead at points and I mean so to draw that sort of performance, you know, coming out of a really ugly loss on Monday night to Houston, what was that now, 10 days ago, 11 days ago. I mean I, I like, I, I think like just getting the effort they've gotten, you know, in Washington against a good commander's team and that, you know, on Thanksgiving and winning going away against the Giants like I as without Dak Prescott, that's what CD Lamb beat up. So Micah Parsons probably still not at 100% right. Like, so I think you got to give Mike McCarthy some credit. Like it might not save his job because his contract's up and everything else, but you know, certainly I think he deserves, I think certainly I think you, you know, you look at him and he deserves some credit for that. I, you know, like I think the Giants right now, I think the intention is to keep Brian D. Ball and Joe Shane in charge. And I think it's part Partly an acknowledgement that after that first year they still had a long way to go and the roster still needed to be rebuilt in a very serious way. Now, you know, I think you look at like the foundation there and there is a foundation in place with the left tackle, Andrew Thomas, receiver, Malik Neighbors, the guys in the defensive front. Dexter Lawrence might be the defensive player of the year, Brian Burns. So there's a foundation in place. I think the problem is you can counteract that with two things now, right? Number one, it's Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley and the decisions they made on those contracts and what those look like two years out, right. And then where the team is headed and the trajectory, right. Like so, you know, the Mara's plan to be patient and take their time and you know, give Joe Judge another year in 21. And then that press conference happened at the end and everything came unraveled. And so like I think that the members want to keep Day Ball and Shane, but could it like really unravel and go the way that things went with Judge two or three years ago? I think that certainly could be the case. So you know, again, like if they can, if they can look competent and put an effort and win a couple games down the stretch, I think they'll be okay. If things unravel, you know, we could be talking about something else.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin Cowherd here on the Herd. So obviously, you know, the news of Matty Berflusse being fired a short time ago and the conversation about, you know, other coaches that could be out after this season or possibly in season if you were just to bet right now, like if you gut feeling, obviously the big names that are out there, Mike Rabel, Bill Belichick, you know, Ben Johnson, potentially, if you've got to pick the landing spot for each of those. Is Chicago in the mix for either of those? Belichick or Mike Vrabel and potentially Ben Johnson.

[Lavar Arrington]

So Ben Johnson, I think if you'd ask him a year ago, it might have been the job he wanted. I don't know if that's going to be the case the same way they're in division with them obviously, you know, but, but I, but I know he had interest last year, so I think that's possible. And like I do think they've got the infrastructure where he can just coach. I'm a little less certain with Belichick and Brable. I think the job in a vacuum would appeal to Belichick. And I was able to. The question is like, you've got Kevin Warren as a team president, you got Ryan Poles as a general manager, like, how does this whole thing look under variable under Belichick? Because unless they're going to be able to shape the organization a certain way, they may be hesitant to go there, you know, so I think, you know, like you, you know, you look at a Ben Johnson who's, you know, ostensibly as a first time, first time head coach, going to go there chest to coach. And I think it really could be a very attractive job with Caleb there and the roster they have in place and everything else, you know, for guys like Vrabel and Belichick who may have like a more, I guess a more, a more global look at like how they want to set up the entire organization. Unless those guys are being, to make some, some bigger changes and just who's going to be on their coaching staff. I think they, they, they're, they, they could wind up bing at the idea of it.

[Albert Breer]

JB I was watching this Dolphins packers game yesterday and I just started having all kinds of different conversations with myself, not, not with the people who were around me, just in my own mind and in my own head. And I'm like thinking about Guna Coons and all these other individuals, you know, lafleur. And I'm like, okay, you know, let it be told the way, you know, Aaron Rodgers kind of aired out everything going into the season before his last season when he set things straight as it applied to him in the front office and then fast forward to his final season there and how everything kind of unfolded. If you're looking at, at what this Green Bay packers team looks like at 9 and 3, this is as good a team as, as it has looked, as the Green Bay packers as, as it did when they made it to the divisional championship round. They, they literally are playing at that high of a level and you're doing it with a guy that you drafted to replace the guy who seemingly has been the, the one common denominator and there being confusion and fallout wherever it is that he's at. What type of what, what's the thought process on them getting the running back, getting rid of Aaron Jones, which I thought was, man, that's a, that's a tough one to kind of recover from, but nonetheless you do it and then you, you get the type of, of, you know, the type of production you're getting from Josh Jacobs. It just seems like they're operating at a super, super High level, maybe even higher than what it was when Aaron Rodgers is there. How is that being perceived by that, by the media, by the, the, you know, the inner workings of the league?

[Lavar Arrington]

Lavar I, I think like the coolest thing about it is like, so, like last year, year, I'd say a big part of their story was Jordan Love got hot at the end of the year and they were able to go and, you know, get in these shootouts and, and win in that sort of setting. It's great to see your young quarterback do that. To me, what's really cool about what's happened since is between the hire of Jeff Hasley to run the defense, some of the moves they made on that side of the ball. Signing Xavier McKinney was a huge one.

[Albert Breer]

Very big. Yep.

[Lavar Arrington]

You know, and then, and then, and then bringing in Josh Jacobs. They're now a team that can win a million different ways, you know what I mean? Like, so this is like an all weather football team that, yeah, I think has a chance like even on a day where maybe it's snowing sideways and Jordan Love throws for 175 yards because you can't do more than that in the past game. The packers can win that game now. You know what I mean? Like, and I think it's, it's really a credit to a lot of people there because they've had good players there for a long time. But being able to see like the finishing pieces, like you know, even like having the humility to say maybe we struck out on our first round safety or didn't strike out, but just we haven't gotten quite enough out of Darnell Savage. So like, let's let him go and go get Xavier McKinney. We really love Aaron Jones and everything he's meant to our franchise, but God, there's an upgrade out there. Let's go get Josh Jacobs. You know, I just, I think those sorts of decisions are difficult decisions to make that they deserve a lot of credit for because those are the types of things that I think could put them over the top. Even firing Joe Berry, who Matt Mulfour is very close with, and bringing in Jeff Hasley, it's, I think across the board, you know, they've done a really nice job of setting it up a certain way so their quarterback can be Superman, but he doesn't have to be Superman every week. And the win, and I think you saw it last night. Now I love the Jacob signing because I think it sort of fits with Barclay too, that running backs. I think I Think some of the smart front offices looked at it last year coming out of the season were like, you know, that position has been devalued to the point where it's becoming a value again. Going and getting one of those guys is actually great value now. And if you think about it, like. And this is the way the Eagles looked at it, getting Saquon Barkley cost them what it cost the Falcons to go get Darnell Mooney. Think about that, right?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Wow.

[Lavar Arrington]

Now, Darnell Mooney is a good player, don't get me wrong. And it's been really valuable to Atlanta this year and everything else, but he's your second or third receiver, and Saquon Barkley touches the ball 300 times in a year. You know what I mean? Like, so it's just. I think it's like. It's like the ability to make those adjustments on the fly, to flip out Jones for Jacobs, to flip out savage for McKinney, to flip out Barry for Hasley, and then ultimately, you know, like, being willing to kind of come off of some things that. Some preconceived notions that people in the league might have about certain positions, I think is what put the packers where they are today.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, it's like, the top three leading rushers in the NFL. Barkley, Henry Jacobs. All guys whose former team was like, nah, we're good here. Okay.

[Lavar Arrington]

Right. And when you think about it, like, if you think about it and it's like, what are they paying for those guys? I mean. I mean, like, Henry's making 8 million bucks. Like, that's like, their backup quarterbacks who make that. You know what I mean? Like, it's just. It's crazy when you think about it, because, like, everybody's gotten so locked into, well, edge rusher, you know, left tackle, receiver, corner quarterback, like, and then just don't worry about anything else. Well, you know, somewhere along the line and the pay at those positions dropped to the point where it's like, okay, all of a sudden, like, this is a really good. Xavier McKinney is another one at safety. You know what? The safety market fell out, so the packers are able to get there because the rest of the league doesn't value them properly. You know, I think it's a really interesting, interesting thing that happened this offseason. I think it certainly benefited both the packers and Eagles.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Albert Breer with the breaking news of Matty Brieflouse being fired. We didn't have any time to get to the game this weekend, but we wanted to send you off with this Just to try and get you, get you fired up.

[Albert Breer]

I hope you all lose.

[Lavar Arrington]

How about this? How about this? So my seats, I believe, are like, almost right on top of the box set on the field.

[Doug Gottlieb]

All right.

[Albert Breer]

Nice.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Hey, you better, you better harass the hell out of Brady Quinn tomorrow, please.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah, like, maybe I see it's too late, but I would have had you guys send me, like, Brady Quinn said, socks, T shirts or something. I could have put all my buddies in them.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Oh, I've got. I've got a ton of those. Multiple colors. We could have. We could have decked you all out perfectly, Albert. Thanks, man.

[Albert Breer]

You guys lose, A.B. but good luck to you.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Thanks, A.B. we appreciate it. All right, thanks, guys.

[Albert Breer]

You're welcome. I wish you luck. But. But on, on the inside, AB, I'm hoping you guys lose.

[Lavar Arrington]

I will never root for Michigan.

[Albert Breer]

Lavar, bad practice, I fear. I feel you there. I feel you there. But, you know, we get that big Ten opportunity against Oregon, you guys didn't want to do it.

[Lavar Arrington]

Yeah, no, no, no. I understand you on that one.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah. But there you go. All right, enjoy. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

[Doug Gottlieb]

There he is, the great Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio. It is lavar Arrington. Jonas Knox in for Colin and crew here. And again, the breaking news out of the NFL. The Bears, for the first time in franchise history, have fired their head coach in season, Maddie Refleuss. Done. After that loss yesterday to the Lions and the way it played out, we've got more in a very special edition of the Herdline news, which is coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio.

[Albert Breer]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[Albert Breer]

So funny, man. I'm trying not to laugh. It's really good.

[Doug Gottlieb]

So the breaking news out of the NFL. The Bears a short time ago announced the firing of Matt Eberflusse as their head coach. Thomas Brown will serve as the interim head coach there. That is the latest from Chicago level. More on that throughout the course of the show.

[Albert Breer]

You said they met the rule. What's the rule? Dang.

[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Albert Breer]

No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.

[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Albert Breer]

Lead to lab.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, we've got lead to lab. Lee, what are we looking at?

[Albert Breer]

Well, first off, happy Thanksgiving to you guys. Did you guys get all your happy Thanksgivings out to everyone in your Rolodex?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Albert Breer]

Can I just send this message out to everyone?

[Lavar Arrington]

And.

[Albert Breer]

And a lot of people may sympathize with me here and agree with me. You may disagree with me. I don't know if this makes me a bad person. If I do not text message you, which this has become the norm. It's not a call. Hey, how you doing? Talk. If I do not text message you on a holiday, it does not mean I do not care about you. It's just that I don't really care about the holiday, so don't feel any type of way. I be feeling anxiety. Like my phone goes off all day. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I'm seeing all these people saying, happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving life. Hey, look, you guys have that stuff scheduled in your. Your phone and all that stuff, it goes out. All you got to do is send it, hit send, all that stuff. That doesn't mean they care about you people. It's just they feel obligated to do it. I don't want to feel obligated to wish you a merry Christmas, a happy Thanksgiving. I don't want to do all of that. I just don't. It builds anxiety. It's disingenuous. If I hit you up and I say I'm checking in, you good, then just know that's important to me, by the way, that's all.

[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Albert Breer]

Look at this.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I'm not making it up. He's got like a meme that says happy Thanksgiving from Rob Parker.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah, with.

[Doug Gottlieb]

With a turkey that looks like, you know, he's been smoking crack.

[Albert Breer]

And then.

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[Albert Breer]

Just know I care about y'all. I do. I just don't care about the holidays. So just know that I ain't hitting.

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[Albert Breer]

It smells like sunshine and oranges.

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[Albert Breer]

Is that even English?

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