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You get so much misinformation fed to you as Mel Kuiper a month before the NFL draft. So a lot of stories we start with this. As Shadour Sanders was sliding, suddenly stories started to pop out from Justina Anderson, Todd McShay, Jonathan Jones, NFL Insider for CBS Stuff that wasn't out there as much pre draft. I mean we knew that legendary draft room. We could see that was a bit cringe. But when people were starting to explain, well, what happened? Well, stories started coming out that he sandbagged certain interviews or was brash. Bruce Feldman wrote an article that I read. He not only didn't compete at the Senior bowl or NFL scouting combine, a former NFL quarterback coach Feldman spoke was Sunday morning said not surprising. The intel I was getting on Sanders was shocking. He had no self awareness. So why did he drop? Am I surprised? Shocked actually. I would have taken him if I was the Steelers. But between his dad Dion, who has many friends in the media saying during the super bowl on multiple interviews we will dictate terms we will not play for certain teams. And then between Sanders Shedeur sandbagging interviews, that probably explains it. So I'll tell you after this show Friday before round two, I talked to two different times an executive in the league asking questions. What do you think will go? He's in this executive said to me, he said if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks at the top of the second round, then people view him as a backup. And I and I'll quote it here, I'm not sure how many teams want that circus in the building. As a backup. Remember Tim Tebow, celebrity backup a mess in New York. Bill Belichick made a decision once Mac Jones beat him out in New England. Remember they let Cam go. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback. Especially when Dion the dad waited until mid to late March to say, okay, now anybody can draft my son. So now was I surprised? Yes. Pittsburgh didn't have a quarterback in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I mean I don't know who their their Quarterback is. But Daniel Jeremiah, a former three time scout on the NFL Network, made a very interesting point. Jeremiah's really good at what he does. He was quoted as saying that the one quarterback that he thought was similar to Shador Sanders was Kenny Pickett. And what Daniel Jeremiah said, well, they did Kenny Pickett and they got burned. And they may have looked at it and said, yeah, we've done that kind of quarterback before. Not a big arm moves. Okay, okay, Decent numbers. Yeah, we're going to pass on that. And Pittsburgh did. Remember, Shador Sanders also said this. Words matter, people listen. He said this at the NFL combine. Shador said, quote, if you ain't trying to change the franchise, the culture don't get me. Teams listened. They didn't get him. So the league sent out a very clear message. Cam Ward was indisputably the best prospect and maybe close to an A prospect. But everybody else was a B and a C prospect. And in life, if you're not an A, then you have to get the intangibles. Right? Right. You're intangibles for Dak Prescott. Dax never thrown an A ball, but he was an A with intangibles. That Brock Purdy Small, not a great athlete. A with intangibles. People are telling you they didn't like some of Shador's intangibles. Remember March and April? NFL doesn't owe you anything. March and April are job interview months. And in February and early March, Dad Dion was saying, we'll set terms. There are teams he won't play for. So I don't think this is all on Shador. But you know, it's. Somebody made a point this morning in our staff meeting. It's almost like you're a young actor and you'd only ever been in your dad's movies and then you interviewed with some other directors to finally not be in one of your dad's movies. And you kind of lack self awareness and turn some people off. So when I hear he sandbagged interviews or was not a professional from people I trust, that goes a long way in explaining it. And I believe I said this years ago about backup quarterbacks. I've said this more than once. A perfect backup quarterback is a guy that could go to the local mall, put sunglasses and a baseball hat on, walk through the mall and nobody would bother him. Nobody would recognize him. Your starting quarterback in the NFL is going to be a star. All right? All starting quarterbacks in their towns are stars. A backup, nobody wants a celebrity. And so that's the downside. I don't blame only shedeur but when you hear he sandbag interviews. That's what dad did. Dion sandbag interviews. Legendarily sandbagged interviews. Bragged about sandbagging interviews. But Dion was an A prospect, the best corner of all time. Everybody knew going into this draft that sure wasn't a great arm guy. I would have drafted him. Not a mobile guy. I would have drafted him. I was shocked by it and I was told be very if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks in the top of the second round, people are telling you they see him as a backup. Peter Schrager used to work here, now works at espn. Also brought up an interesting point. Dion has worked for so many media outlets and has so many friends in the NFL, you know, nobody wanted to give him the truth. Your son's okay. And then once the no noise scares a lot of teams, especially at one position. The discussions are always different about quarterbacks than non quarterbacks. When I talk to NFL people, we always talk about toughness. We talk about productivity and speed and vertical. When you talk about quarterbacks, it's leadership. Will guys follow him over a hill? Is he a foxhole guy? The conversation changes. So and I got a lot of different thoughts on this where I actually defended on something that I thought he did a really good job on. But Cleveland drafted him. There are those that believed that the GM and the coach didn't want to draft him. They'd already drafted a quarterback and Jimmy Haslam, the owner, stepped in like he did with desean Watson. Needless regardless, here's Andrew Barry on the pick. Once it got to a point where it felt like it was at, you know, a pretty steep discount, we just felt like, hey, especially relative to the alternative ways that we could use the selection, this made the most sense. All right, more on that in a bit. Their reaction was stoic, to be honest. Not the most excited looking draft room, to be honest. Okay, so the Lakers are in big trouble. They pushed all their chips in against Minnesota. For the first time in NBA playoff history, a team played only five players in an entire half. They never subbed. They called the death lineup and eventually it was for them. Meanwhile, Minnesota, a deeper, bigger roster with far more dexterity, far more options. The Lakers. J.J. redick basically told you our roster has limitations. There's an old saying in the NBA in the playoffs that you play eight guys but you trust seven. JJ Redick played five guys and trusted four and they almost pulled it off. But did you notice that LeBron looked tired by the end. He didn't score in the fourth quarter. And Luca looked tired at the end. Never been in the world's best shape. And here was Ant Edwards once again. If you go look at fourth quarter numbers in this series, Luca against Ant Edwards, the Minnesota Timberwolves, without question. Points, assists, rebounding, field goal percentage. The best player in the fourth quarter in this series has consistently been Ant Edwards. That's how you win a playoff series. And quickly maturing, quickly defining basketball player. So the T Wolves are deeper and Edwards is the best player. But I think more than anything, remember when the Lakers made that trade, the Luca thing and Mark Williams a center, Remember that whole deal? Mark Williams, they were going to get a Mark Williams, the center who'd been injured, but he was a definitive NBA big, big widebody shot blocker. And then it got canceled because team doctors wouldn't give it a pass in la. Well, JJ Redick was telling you, yeah, I wasn't part of that decision because he won't play Jackson Hayes. And you're not beating Minnesota without some bigs. I mean Julius Randle who's never been good in the playoffs is having a tremendous series on three pointers and so why Randall's a big, he's getting good looks. And so you know, JJ Redick's telling you this roster needs tweaking. I'm playing five, I may plot, I may trust four. And here was JJ after we certainly played well enough to win and we gave the effort to win and you know, the not a planned thing to play five guys an entire second half. Asked him at the beginning of the fourth quarter, told them we had two extra timeouts, you know, if you need a sub, let us know. Those guys gave, gave a lot. I think once you've kind of made that decision, you know, and they all are in, you just got to trust them. Aunt Edwards led the NBA this year in clutch regular season points. Minnesota as a basketball team was in all sorts of games like this. They led the NBA in clutch games, meaning close, tight, hard fought games. That's what the T Wolves did all regular season. They were built for it in Ant Edwards, whose three point shot improved dramatically. He was built for it. They now have a 31 series lead. They'll be well rested. Will the Lakers will be as well. The next game is Wednesday and here's Anthony. I just try to take advantage of every opportunity. I mean, cause you know I've been dreaming of this all my life, whether it was football or basketball. So just Being in these situations and now it's going against Bruin and Luka. Luka probably the best player in the game, young player in the game and Brun is the best player leaving the game. So just trying to, you know, prove I belong and tell my haters and people who criticize me that I'm better than they think. Ant is officially the best young player in the game. Did you see him battling Lebron? He's like, I, I got LeBron. Did you see that wrestling match? You're not getting that from Luke on the defensive end. Offense runs the league. I'm not denying that. But look at Ant's fourth quarter numbers. His energy is through the roof. Not just his points, but his field goal percentage. Look at Luca's field goal percentage. Guys get tired, shots are flat. So if you, if you want. One of the things that made Jordan we only showed Jordan's offensive highlights. What made Michael Jordan great was his relentless defense along with his relentless offense and clutch play in the fourth quarter. Michael's energy, you could go to quadruple overtime. Michael's energy, even when he was sick. The Utah games was just better than other players. Look at ants fourth quarters. That is young in impeccable shape. Because Ant previously first couple of years he would wear down late in games. He doesn't anymore. He picks his spots. He is putting up 42% three point in the fourth and you're petting your best defender on him. So he has arrived. He has got the argument to me as the best young player in the game. Rocket is giving every home one address rocket.com a single seamless home ownership platform. If you're buying, selling, financing or refinancing your home. Rocket.com the new home for all things homeownership, Rocket own the dream. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA Champs. Only one player that can call themselves themselves the number one pick in the NFL Draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW IX. 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Your frontal lobe's not fully developed young men do dumb stuff. And I have six kids in my life, and they've all done something dumb. And I did things that were dumber. Maybe not as this dumb, but I did dumb stuff, too. I don't like it. It's cruel. It's not what you should do. And the kid did call Shador and apologized. But to watch the media's reaction, they're more bothered by this than other actions that happen all the time in this league that deserve more criticism. The kid did something really dumb and then called Shador and apologized. Here's the thing. When these kind of moments happen in life and this happened to Shadour, I'm often captivated by how people handle it. And did anybody watch how Shadour Sanders handled it? It was really impressive. He said, it's okay. Everybody makes mistakes. Wow, that's really adult. Why? Older members of the media are wrecked by it and deeply bothered that he fell in the draft. He wasn't. He kept the thing, the thing. He's not going to hold a grudge. And you'll find that as a habit among winners in life, generally, they're not grudge holders. They focus on what matters. Shador Sanders came out when somebody played a really cruel joke, unacceptable. And he said, it's okay, it's okay. People make mistakes. That is an incredibly impressive reaction. And as he dropped in the draft, here's what he said about going to Cleveland. I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. I feel like it's first getting in, showing the respect to the vets, showing them, you know, I'm here, ready to work, show the coaches and have them understand, you know, I'm here, ready to work so they can actually understand the real me. That's what I'm truly thankful to have, is the opportunity for people to actually see the real me and not be able to see, you know, stuff that could be true or not. That's what I'm most excited about, being in the building. Wow. I mean, Aaron Rodgers dropped a few draft picks, was bitter. Shador Sanders drops to the fifth round, and he's like, I can't wait to get into the building, show respect to the veterans. He gets pranked. He could have had a multitude of reactions. He's like a kid made a mistake. We're all going to be okay. People make mistakes. That makes me want to root for Shador Sanders. You guys can throw tizzy fits. Reacting to the dropping in the draft, by the way, Kyle McCord dropped. He went later than I thought. And he went to the Philadelphia Eagles. And by the way, Will Howard, he went really late, too. He went to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like this idea that going high in the draft and to really bad franchises is always the answer. The truth is, Joe Flacco will probably win that Browns job. My guess is Shadour Sanders easily because he was underdrafted. He will easily win the backup role over Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett easily. And then by Thanksgiving, I'm gonna make a bet Shador Sanders is gonna play and be the starting quarterback. But I was really impressed as everybody was freaking out. Maybe it's because I've had so many kids in my life. Like, kids do dumb stuff. Young boys do really dumb stuff. And I didn't like it at all. And it made me mad, and I thought it was cruel. But how should doer handled it? Told me, okay. That's the kind of compartmentalization, attitude and maturity you get from veteran quarterbacks that flourish. They don't pout, they're not punitive, they don't hold a grudge. Hey, everybody makes mistakes. It is that kind of even temperament that blew me away. I mean, I. I'm sitting there thinking, if my kid was a quarterback and somebody did this to my kid, I'd be really hurt. And maybe she knew her was. But that reaction. A plus plus. He may have a B arm and a B minus mobility, but that temperament in that moment. A plus plus. J. Macleanoos. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the third line news. All right. We're starting in the NBA where, oh, my gosh, the Knicks Piston series continues. Continues to be magnificent. Carl Anthony Towns the heroes Sunday with two clutch shots in the final minute. And then, of course, there was this scrum and Tim Hardaway kind of sort of got fouled by Josh Hart there. No call. Much to the chagrin of J.B. bickerstaff and the Pistons staff. They were just irate after the game. Go back and look at the film. You know, the guy leaves his feet, there's contact on Tim Hardaway's jump shot. You know, I don't know any other way around it. There's contact on his jump shot. The guy leaves his feet, he's at Timmy's mercy. And I repeat, there's contact on his jump shot. Can I throw this out? Can I throw this out? It's a tough one. So. It is. It was. I thought Detroit outplayed him. I thought Detroit was the better team. And then they didn't get the call. The league acknowledged they missed It. But I. We all love physical play because it's just more intense. I mean, watching LeBron and Aunt Edwards, the ratings are proving the audience likes this. What did the audience say no to the All Star Game where nobody plays defense? People don't watch the regular season because people don't play this kind of defense. People are reacting. The arenas love it. People are into it. The downside to letting things go is that that doesn't change the outcome, it just changes the score. But when you get to the last minute to minute and a half of a game, allowing that kind of physicality can in real time change the outcome. So officials have been told clearly by the league, let them play. Bad strategy. Well, no, it's not. It's much better ratings. Bottom line, in our business, the games are close. But bottom line, in our business, the strategy that gets the numbers, the best strategy, the ratings are great. Well. And the games are close and the physicality is amazing. It's working. It's hard to turn off. Ratings have been up since Luca joined LeBron in LA, but the series, the games have been magnificent. Down to the wire. But like, when you're not calling stuff Colin, that leads to bad outcomes. Like, the Pistons got screwed. I'm a Knicks fan. That's fine. Lakers got screwed. Jamie Daniels sticking his leg out like. But these games are getting. Are more interesting because they're allowing physical play. Do you think Pistons, Knicks is visually appealing battles and scrums when Anthony Edwards is shoving LeBron with two hands. Yep. That's just not. The crowd's reacting to it. Yeah, the crowd loves it. Yeah. They're watching like Gladiator 3. Guys killing each other. How'd that movie do in the theater? Gladiator 1, excellent. Gladiator 2, not so people like physical play. It's not disputable. Watch the crowd react to Ant. LeBron banging. Watch the crowd. They stand. They're into it. The problem is with a minute left, you do have to call fouls with physicality because it changes the final score. So that's the toughest part. Like if you're not refereeing one way for 82 games and then you change it for seven and then you change it back for the final minute. It's like, what are we doing? You need some consistency. They got to pick one, pick a lane. But we want to let them play or do the physical. They are clearly letting them play. By the way, Clippers, Nuggets, multiple arguments late in games. So you're seeing what's happening through all these playoff Games that are close, it always comes down to a call and it always, the losing team is always like you're not calling enough. But the truth is the physicality. Watch the ratings, watch the reaction of the players. Watch the crowd. The bottom line has always been this. It's like people that defend the tush push. It's obviously aesthetic, not, not aesthetically pleasing. But why Philadelphia likes it, is it because it defines them through toughness and physicality? We like our athletes to be tough. We like Michael Jordan because he's tough. It is a tough one with the ratings game. NFL draft ratings were massive because Shador Sanders slid prank called like controversy. So like I, I just again remember how the n the NCAA tournament you hate upsets early because you want the best teams playing at the end. Well, guess what? I want the best teams playing in the NBA finals. If we're going to get like a Minnesota Timber Wolves slugging it out with the Cavs because they're physical teams, that's a huge loss for the NBA. The NBA would much prefer the Lakers advancing. So we argued about this. The NBA got the bag. Well, obviously, yes. Yeah, the ratings don't matter. That's somebody else's problem. Well, wait, do the ratings matter or not? You just said they're up. I'm saying overall, the league wants more people watching basketball. And the playoff ratings have been great. But they haven't just been great like the regular season for the Lakers. They've been great for everybody. So the point is physicality is working. The league now got the bag. They got the money from the networks. Now it's up to the networks to make money on it. That's not their problem. I sell my house. What you do with it? Paint it purple? I don't care. I'm out of it. I got my money. So you could say it's better for the league if the Lakers play. But the they don't have a star yet. They don't have a next star domestically ants it so. And I think privately Adam Silver, if you asked him would say I would rather see our neck. We don't have a domestic star in this league. We've seen LeBron play a million times in the playoffs. I think Minnesota winning privately now that the NBA has got its contract. They got their money. They want, they want to find and promote a domestic star. And ant is good looking, likable guy, unbelievably dynamic. He does have some off court issues that he's talked about and fans have gotten on his case about not great. He's 23 Luca and LeBron. Come on, Colin, you want to see them against Steph Curry next round. Also Rockets. We'll see if they rough up Curry again tonight. Next story back to the NFL, the Steelers, you know they did draft a quarterback Will Howard in the sixth round. However, they're waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Owner Art Rooney said Friday Rogers does want to come to Pittsburgh and there could be official war word soon. However, Mike Tomlin did not want to put a time frame on Aaron Rodgers decision. I'm not going to forecast the ifs and the wins regarding not only him but any potential free agent. Just rest assured that we've had really productive talks with him and personally I've enjoyed having really productive talk with him and getting to know him. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing with their quarterback. I'm guessing they've got some assurances from Aaron. If you don't have assurances from Aaron in a, in a division with Burrow and Lamar, that's four games a year in a conference with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, C.J. stroud, Justin Herbert, I don't know what you're doing. So my take is there has to be something going on because Will Howard's a backup in the NFL at best. Yeah, he's a backup. So I would have drafted Shador Sanders unless I had a deal. So we talked about this before the draft. I think Aaron Rodgers was waiting. What if Pittsburgh told Aaron, listen, we're going to draft a backup, but we're not going to draft. We're not going to draft a starter. You'll know after the draft that we have clearly drafted a backup. Will Howard is seen as a backup and that's what I think he is in the pros. Shadour, even if he went in the fourth round, you could argue Aaron could go, well, that's going to be your starter at some point. If I have a bad game, people want Chador. So I think Aaron smartly said, okay, I'll come, but I'm going to watch the draft. I'm not going to be Kirk Cousins here. And my guess is Aaron will sign with Pittsburgh now because how could you not draft anybody but Will Howard if you don't have a quarterback in the afc? So two teams in the division have Burrow set, Lamar set, the Browns have five quarterbacks on the roster. Door is going to win that job when? Before Thanksgiving? We can make that a friendly way. There's no, I wouldn't say he's not even to start a game this season. Oh, I'll bet you on that. Kenny Pickett. Colin, what message did they send taking Dylan Gabriel over him? Okay, so my friend John Middelkopf had a theory, is that the Browns didn't want to get into the Shadour Sanders sweepstakes because they showed their hand in the first round by trading down, getting a first round pick. The Cleveland Browns signaled by the second pick of the draft like the Rams did later in the first round by getting a first round pick, we're getting our quarterback next year. So the Browns told you we're not in the quarterback this year. That's why we're getting a first round pick. So they drafted Dylan Gabriel earlier than anybody thought they would. Andrew Barry's a smart gym. Why? Because they thought Jimmy Haslam, if shedeur kept sliding, would butt his nose in and go take him. So they thought drafting Dylan Gabriel would take care of the backup. And it didn't because Haslam by the fifth round said, we got to take him. Haslam loved Johnny Manziel. Haslam loved Deshawn Watson. Maybe he's decided to step back. The counter to that is why did you trade a fifth round pick for Kenny Pickett after knowing and interviewing Chador? Why'd you just sign Joe Flacco after knowing you can get Shador and Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefansky didn't want to get into the Shadour Circus. Haslam. So they did all the work to not get into it. And then Haslam said, draft him. Remember? Do you think Haslam will say Haslam loved Baker. He loved Johnny Manzel. He loved Dejon. He wants a star at quarterback. We need to get Vegas to set a line for us over under half a start this season for Shadors. Oh, over by a easy bet. What if it was one and a half over, under one? Oh, I would go over. First of all, he was the most underdrafted guy in the draft. Well, depending on. I mean, again, I, I did. I mean, I think we can acknowledge that if there was any player in the draft that probably went a couple of rounds later than he showed at Shador. Yeah, I, I liked him. Final story is, is my Jets. Colin, who took an offensive tackle with the seventh overall pick. I thought the jets had a solid draft. They asked me for winners, losers. I didn't put the jets in that group, but they're close. However, with the selection, the jets became the first team in 25 years to select four first round offensive linemen in a six year span. I love their the last teams Doing so were the Lions and Seahawks. One of those guys not on the roster, Mai Beckton, he just won a Super bowl ring with the Eagles. No problem with the Jet. I thought the jets first two picks were great. And I like I by the way, Fashanu looks good. Vera, Elijah Vera. Tucker's good when he's healthy. People like Membu Becton was a miss, but you know, you're not going to go four for four. It's like, it's hard. This draft stuff is hard. Yeah. I mean, a problem of course is why get excited when they don't have a quarterback, you know, by the way, they didn't draft a quarterback. It's like Justin Fields. It's his show. They've given him the reins. He's their guy. Yes, that's a bit of a surprise. No. Well, again, it's a bad quarterback class. I mean, the Dolphins have TUA and they drafted Quinn. You yours. You don't think the jets want to kick the tires on Quinn Ewers? Well, two also gets hurt a lot. Justin Field's a bigger, stronger athlete. Yeah, I, I didn't have a problem with a jet strap. I didn't, I didn't hate it. I will say there's some momentum, that they could win seven or eight games. But the question is, do you even want to? Because you need a quarterback next year. You know, it's like, so I don't know you and I disagree with NBA physicality. I am for it. No. Okay. We could, we could debate it second hour if you want. Third hour as well. You know JMac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd line. I was talking to start the show about the celebrity quarterback thing, the Teboo to the Jets. Mark Sanchez has said it publicly. It was a disaster. Belichick moved off Cam Newton the minute they made a choice for M. Jones. They're like, okay, you would think they would keep Cam as a backup. They're like, no, no, no, no, no. We're not going to have Cam Newton as a backup. There are certain you don't want a celebrity quarterback to begin with coming out of college, but you don't want a celebrity backup quarterback. So a great example of this, one of the best GMs in the league is John Snyder of Seattle. So they could have taken Chador Sanders and they took Jalen Milroe. Now Sanders to me is much more ready to play now. But you already have Sam Darnold. So look at what The Seahawks did one of the best GMs in the league. They could have taken Sanders, who is much more ready to play now. And they took Jalen Milroe. Why? No noise, Parents not involved, not ready to play. Classic one to two year developmental quarterback. Also, I was told over the weekend the Seahawks will use him because he does provide something that a backup quarterback usually doesn't, which is he may be the best back, he may be the best athlete on the roster. So I've been told. John Snyder and The Seahawks and McDonnell, the coach, they want to put him in six, seven, eight plays a game because he's such a spectacular Lamar Jackson level athlete. But this is a classic example of a general manager who could have taken both. And he, as one of the best GMs said, I'm going to take Milroe, even though Milroe to me is much more of a project than Chedeur. But when your dad is saying during the super bowl, there are terms that we will dictate, he didn't get that with him. When the quarterback is sandbagging interviews, which came out during and after the draft, Milroe didn't do that. So I thought that pick was a great example of why Shador dropped. Shador is a starter, I think in the NFL would be a better starter than Milroe. But once you don't get picked by about the 38th pick, like top of the second, you are viewed as a prospect and initially you're a backup. And people didn't want the backup stuff. And the noise that came with Shador, now he was super mature when he talked finally about being drafted by that cruel prank phone call, Shador was great. But I thought, you know, you start looking at Dylan Gabriel, that's a backup. Will Howard, that's a backup. I love Kyle McCord, Philadelphia Eagles. He's backing up, he's not playing much. So once you get, once you get to about 38, 39th pick, intangibles become big because now you're like the third most important part of the quarterback room, right? So I, I, you know, and, and now I think it should have gone Cam Ward, Shador Sanders, Jackson Dart. But for the record, one year ago, one year ago, you guys were all telling me in your mock drafts that Quinn ewers was a first round pick and who didn't buy it one year ago today, on the way too early 2025 mock drafts, who was the number one quarterback? The last guy, the last quarterback taken. So stuff happens. Two years ago, a quarterback that J. Mack during the season Love Sam Howell. And a lot of people love Sam Howell. Two years ago, he still does. Sam, how was like, he's going to be the sleeper Watch Sam Howell, top of the second. Sam Howell went in the fifth. So I think the Shadour thing got really hot early in the season and nobody just wanted to be honest and go because he's Dion's son. He's kind of a B prospect. And then when the circus and the sandbagging and dad, that's where teams were like, he's not a backup now. Cleveland's got so many quarterbacks. They got like six backups. And Cleveland, Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson, they're in the circus business. Like. Like, I mean, Jimmy Haslam, they. Their quarterback situation is always a circus. I mean, it's Cirque du Solo. It just travels around the country. But so they go, here's Mike McDonald, by the way, on the Jalen Milroe pick. John's a quarterback through and through. He's going to be trained to play quarterback for us. And when he's in there, he's going to be playing quarterback. So. But the athleticism is going to come to life, you know, when he's on. When he's on the field, and that's how he's going to help us. I did think, by the way, the best draft of the weekend I thought was Seattle's. I thought they got three starters. They got Damian Martinez, a running back out of the Miami Hurricanes in the seventh round. I could not believe he was available. I thought their draft crushed. They got arguably the best interior lineman, the second best safety, a top tight end, Jaylen Milro, a D tackle from Notre Dame that will absolutely be a rotational player, a wide receiver that I didn't watch much at Colorado State, but all the draft gurus loved. And I can't believe they got Damien Martinez in the seventh round. Throw in Sam Darnold as a pickup in free agency. Seattle had a very, very good off season. I thought this kid, I mean, I don't know what steal of the draft is. I think there were several of them. Shador is the steal of the draft. But to get this kid in the seventh, I watched them play a lot. He's a. He's an NFL running back. He may be a 2, but he's an NFL running back. I thought Seattle had. And I said this three years ago. I thought, John Snyder has had some really good drafts. He is a really sharp guy. We take a break. Bill Belichick's girlfriend I think I've changed my mind on this relationship. Next, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox, Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. 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But he was doing a CBS interview wearing his old Navy hoodie. Not Old Navy, but Old Navy hoodie. And watch what happens when his girlfriend shuts down the reporter. You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that? Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right. How did you guys meet? Not talking about this. No, no, it was her. On to Cincinnati moment. I've got to be honest. She's his PR director. She's Bill's influencer, which he didn't need in the NFL, but you actually do in college. I thought this was kind of a cringy thing, but she is multiple things for Bill. Assistant, girlfriend, social media producer, PR handler. She. She fills a lot of roles, and people are kind of uncomfortable with it. And, I mean, sometimes in life you don't have to wear a headset to call plays. She's calling plays for Bill, which he didn't need in the NFL, but he actually does in college football, where players now select you. So she's out there as his PR and social influencer, saying, bill, that doesn't play. Don't talk about that. Do talk about this. Now, if she starts to break down offense on the whiteboard next week, I'll step in and change my opinion. But as I watched this interview, I thought, oh, I've watched interviews like this. CEOs have people like Jordan Hudson. You know, presidents, politicians, senators, governors, media execs. They all have people like Jordan Hudson. She's taken the role seriously. I mean, again, I thought it was weird. I didn't know what to make of it. But when I watched that interview, I'm like, oh, I've seen that before from PR directors. When I do interviews, I don't do many, but once a year I'll be doing an interview. There's always a PR person sitting next to me, and occasionally they step in and go, yeah, we're not going to talk about, you know, Collins contract or something. So I kind of watched it, and I was kind of impressed, maybe because I've seen it before, from cringy to crucial. I don't know. It didn't bother me. It was kind of professional. And again, Bill didn't need this in the pros. If you don't like the age difference, they're two consenting adults. Whatever. Okay, whatever. But I've seen that before from professionals in pr. Here's the other thing. During the calling, right? Wrong. Top of the hour. One of the things that came out this weekend was that the Giants had a really bad interview with Shador Sanders. Todd McShay came out. Now, Brian Dabel said it was a great interview. Just to give you a heads up on how this works, I was talking to a general manager in the league. No coach is ever going to publicly badmouth a college coach, especially A popular one, because he's got to go back to that campus for the next 10 years to look at players and scout players. So the Day bowl story came out with multiple sources that it was not a good interview, which is surprising because that's one of the teams that actually, in a year that not many teams were looking for starting quarterbacks, the Giants were one of them. So. But, you know, D is saying, you know, it went very, very well. I can tell you in my years of doing this, I have talked to coaches who feel they've been completely lied to and hosed by college programs. And you just swallow it because you got to go back to that campus the next year and you don't want to sever the relationship and have an enemy at a program like a Colorado that increasingly has NFL players. So that. That's just one of those things, because this is something I was talking about with somebody. I said, what do you make of this? And the reaction, he goes, well, nobody's going to badmouth. You're going to go to Colorado's practice next year. You want to be welcomed. They don't have to let everybody in. So there you go. Calling, right, calling wrong. Next hour. The J. Mac and I were at odds earlier in the show because I am, for all this physical NBA play, I think it's much better tv. I think if you watch the reaction of the crowds. I mean, there's an old saying that if I told you right now, hey, you guys, Max Kellerman used to say this, we could be watching the Super Bowl. But if I told you, hey, you guys, two guys are in a fistfight in the hallway. Everybody would leave the TV and go watch the fight. Physicality sells. People like, so when you're watching LeBron and Ant bang on each, you're like, whoa, whoa. And you don't have to like it, but it. You cannot turn the channel. It is gripping television, and the ratings are indicating that this tough, physical basketball, the crowds are just inflamed with it and the audience, the ratings are good. So now does it become problematic with 12 seconds to go and a bump? It does. But I. But I'll say this. It's better basketball. It's more fun. I'd rather have guys playing defense. I'd rather guys care. I'd rather guys dive on the floor than Tuesday night in Orlando. 128, 120. Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a Paychex company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results from recruiting and development to payroll and analytics. Paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset your people. Are you ready to become a Better Leader? Visit paycor.com leaders to learn more. 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