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Rob Lowe
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You can be involved.
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Rob Lowe
Okay.
Doug Gottlieb
All right.
Colin Cowherd
Tolerate my nonsense for five minutes. He's a great storyteller. So there are movies that just wear well and then there's great movies that don't.
Rob Lowe
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
When you were making Tommy Boy. Okay. So I think that's just like, it's like Hangover Tommy Boy.
Doug Gottlieb
Wow.
Colin Cowherd
Jack. Jack Lemon had a couple of these in his day. A couple of comedies that you could watch them today. And you're like this Mary Tyler Moore is still funny today.
Rob Lowe
Yes. There.
Colin Cowherd
Cheers. Cheers.
Rob Lowe
Yes.
Colin Cowherd
Did you know during Tom, was there a moment with you Spate and you're like, oh, this is going to be huge.
Rob Lowe
No, Never a moment ever.
Colin Cowherd
Not one.
Rob Lowe
Not one. I mean the notion of that movie has become what it has become and it is. I mean, I have people all walks of life consistently stop me. Same with Spade. And it just has become a beloved movie and we never would have thought ever. I mean, we thought we were making something that could be good, but never saw it. Never saw it coming. Having the staying power ever.
Colin Cowherd
Now you were outstanding lead actor Emmy nomination for West Wing, which is one of the great, in my opinion is one of the seminal last great American television shows that, you know. Sopranos was hbo. So it's one of the last shows. It's like I'm watching network Cheers had this when I was younger.
Rob Lowe
It was the last great network show.
Colin Cowherd
Yes. I think Modern Family was damn funny. Yes. It was Modern Family, Steve Levitan, the writer that was damn funny. So when you were on the West Wing, it also stories I've read. It's a. It's a lot more than people think. It's egos writing was that enjoyable or was it just successful? Here, here's.
Rob Lowe
Okay. The way I always put it is no one ever wants to hear how hard it was to be in the Beatles.
Colin Cowherd
Did you mean.
Justin Jefferson
Right, right.
Colin Cowherd
You had all these great actors. Nobody wants to hear, nobody wants to know.
Rob Lowe
They just want to love the show, which is great. It happened to be a very complicated set for any number of reasons, but the work was always so amazing and we all knew how grateful we were. We were all very grateful to be on it. So we were under no illusion. That's when we knew we were making something great. We knew we were making something great. Meanwhile, the thing of. You never want to hear how they make the sausage.
Colin Cowherd
Right.
Rob Lowe
That wasn't very pretty. But, but, but the outcome, I mean, is one of the, it's probably the thing I'm most proud of still.
Colin Cowherd
Now, you knew the Austin Power stuff because Mike Myers was red hot. He's brilliant. You knew that was going to be big.
Rob Lowe
I did. The studio didn't. I mean, think about, think, just go back. I know it's almost impossible because of what that movie became and what it was. But like, here's the pitch. So it's a, it's a James Bond parody of a, of a guy with bad teeth with a cockney accent. And then there's a bald guy named Doctor. People are like, what? But I, I, we all knew it.
Colin Cowherd
Would work on the set.
Rob Lowe
Yes.
Colin Cowherd
Just funny.
Rob Lowe
Oh, I will never forget being there when he was ad libbing as Dr. Evil to, to little Vern Troyer. That looks like a baby to me. I'd like to eat that baby. I mean, you, you just die, right?
Colin Cowherd
You knew it was big.
Rob Lowe
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
So you, you know, it's, you had a, you know, like a lot of young stars in, in, in Los Angeles. You know, it is impossible not to dabble in the crazy side of life, but you actually are a doting dad. Husband. It is. Do you ever think if you, I mean, you had the self awareness to get it, right?
Rob Lowe
Yeah, I've been sober 34 years. Yeah, yeah.
Colin Cowherd
What got you there? Was there an epiphany, a moment, a party?
Justin Jefferson
Yes.
Colin Cowherd
Oh, really?
Rob Lowe
And what's interesting about, they call them, you know, when you hit your bottom, right. And everybody has a different bottom. Some are really, really, you know, they're in jail. They, some of them are really bad. Mine, what wasn't all that bad, but it was enough for me to go, you know what? This is untenable. I'm never gonna have the kind of life I dream about. I'm never going to be able to make it work with one woman. And it was just as simple as my beloved grandfather had Had a heart attack. And my mom was calling me in the days of answering machines. And I could hear her on the answering machine saying, pick up, pick up, pick up. But I was in no shape to do it. So I didn't pick up. And I just hated that about myself. And I went into the bathroom, I looked myself in the mirror like a bat. It was like a bad movie. It was like an after school special. I literally went in and looked at myself in the mirror and was like, this has got to end. And made a phone call, went to rehab, which I loved. I treated it like training camp.
Colin Cowherd
Really?
Rob Lowe
Training camp for life. Loved it. And that was 34 years ago.
Colin Cowherd
Good for you. Thanks for sharing that. Speaking of, you said bottom. And when you said that, I thought floor. And you're on a. You are on. This is fascinating. So you did a game show and people think, oh, Rob went around the corner. No, you actually went to Dublin. Tell people about this show is hot and sticky.
Justin Jefferson
Yeah.
Rob Lowe
It's amazing how, how embraced this should this.
Colin Cowherd
So you basically you send everybody to Ireland.
Rob Lowe
This show has become a phenomenon. I never saw that talk about not seeing it coming. I knew the game was great, super addicting. I knew people liked it, but you never know if it's going to pop off like it has. And what's so interesting is we shoot it in Ireland and we go to Ireland because it makes financial sense to do it. But it's just one of the great sort of inside Hollywood stories. That's where we do it. Kind of like what really?
Colin Cowherd
And you shoot a season very quickly.
Rob Lowe
We can shoot a season in 10 days. It's a lot of work.
Colin Cowherd
Take your golf clubs.
Rob Lowe
I sure did.
Colin Cowherd
Because you're a great golfer.
Rob Lowe
How about this? I got off an international flight, went right to a run through, went to the hotel, just pulled out my golf clothes. There was a course right next to the hotel and went and shot. Tied my career. Best shot of 79. You're jet lagged. Jet lag's great for the golf swing.
Colin Cowherd
That slows it down.
Rob Lowe
Yep.
Colin Cowherd
You're on a short list of the best celebrity golfers. You just won a tournament, didn't you or didn't you?
Rob Lowe
I did. They can't take it away from me. Riviera at Riv. I won a golf tournament at Riv. Now. It was. It was my son John Owen Michael Crabtree.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Rob Lowe
She's an athlete. And then. Okay, I'm going to. What is this amazing actress's name? Is a great golfer. Newton is her last name. I'LL think of her first name, but she's a stick. We, we, we. We basically won because she was such a stick. But still a wins win. I'm taking it.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you're a huge. You're a big. You. We talked about this at lunch. You're a big baseball fan.
Rob Lowe
Love baseball.
Colin Cowherd
You love. Did you play it?
Rob Lowe
I did. I played it up until coaches started saying, you missed practice for your auditions. And they kicked me off the team.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Walker Bueller just went to practice. You had auditions?
Rob Lowe
Walker Bueller went to practice. I had auditions. I could have been Walker Bueller.
Colin Cowherd
You were on NBA commercials years and years and years ago. NBA is fantastic.
Rob Lowe
Yes.
Colin Cowherd
It's hard to explain to people because people think Los Angeles, it's the beats. They don't care about sports.
Rob Lowe
Right.
Colin Cowherd
The Lakers, when they're hot, will always be number one in the city. Not the NFL, not the Dodgers. Take people back. It's. It's incredible to the Magic Johnson. I mean, they're making movies about it. Take them back to that.
Rob Lowe
I don't even know where to begin. I mean, what. What Magic meant to this town when he arrived here. It was like Santa Claus had arrived. And then he lived up to it. What he did in that game six in Philadelphia where he played all five positions, 42.17 boards.
Colin Cowherd
He played center, basically played center in his rookie year.
Doug Gottlieb
You.
Rob Lowe
You just can't believe. And then of course, the, the style of play which has now, you know, been, you know, every other team has adapted that run and gun was not a thing.
Colin Cowherd
That's right.
Justin Jefferson
It was.
Rob Lowe
It did not exist.
Justin Jefferson
No.
Colin Cowherd
It's amazing. There are athletes infrequent, but athletes. If you go back and look at Magic's rookie year, second year, Rob, like most of that stuff, like Jim Brown, people say could play today.
Rob Lowe
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
Magic would still be today. If you look at it, usually things don't age well. Best player in the league, 100%. I've always said Michael and Magic are much closer. Michael got the nine finals. No, no, Magic did. Michael got the six. The Blackhawks were in the Western Conference. In hockey, if the Bulls were in the Western Conference, Michael goes to a final or two and loses to Bird or Isaiah and we get over this six for six thing. Magic was in the finals nine times and retired early.
Rob Lowe
Yes. He could have played as long as he wanted to.
Colin Cowherd
Have you ever been to an event with Magic in la? When Magic enters Staples, they stand.
Rob Lowe
Yes, they do.
Colin Cowherd
To this day.
Rob Lowe
They do it all over the world. I've seen him In Europe. And I mean, first of all, he can't hide. There's no one who looks like him. Everybody knows what he looks like.
Colin Cowherd
Smile. Big smile.
Rob Lowe
Smile. The energy. I mean, he. My two guys growing up were Magic and Sugar Ray Leonard.
Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah.
Rob Lowe
Those are the guys I never bet against. They were the classiest, best in class. And to have had floor seats for that run. And even into Shaq and Kobe. We'll never see anything like it again.
Colin Cowherd
Has there ever been a sports movie you wanted to be in or you were offered and didn't? Do you have a favorite sports movie?
Rob Lowe
Well, what I'm. What I want to do is I want to remake the all time greatest sports movie. I'm too old for it now. Brian's Song.
Colin Cowherd
Oh, God, I cry. I watched that as a kid. We all cried to it.
Rob Lowe
Okay, this is my. My philosophy is you ask any boomer male.
Colin Cowherd
It was the first sports movie. It was the first movie we cried to 100%.
Rob Lowe
Right? I'm not crazy.
Colin Cowherd
No Brian song is. In fact, I. Not joking. I looked it up on YouTube a month ago. I was sitting there getting nostalgic. These guys are looking at me. They're on their third. They have no idea what Brian's Song is.
Rob Lowe
For all listeners, viewers out there, find it. I think it's on YouTube. Yep, it is. James Khan at the peak. Billy D. Williams.
Colin Cowherd
Williams at the. It's Gail Sayers. Brian Piccolo.
Rob Lowe
It's Gail Sayers. Brian Piccolo, Chicago Bears.
Colin Cowherd
It is.
Rob Lowe
It's by far, hands down, not close. The best sports movie ever made.
Colin Cowherd
I'm not arguing. I. A month ago, I looked it up.
Rob Lowe
By the way, this is a man who makes his living being a contrarian, and he is not arguing. That is an a.m. i feel like I've accomplished something here.
Colin Cowherd
I mean, I like Hoosiers, but I didn't cry.
Rob Lowe
The natural.
Colin Cowherd
I liked it. Miracle, I think is great. Yes, Miracle. You got one, Rudy. They're all good. None of them made me cry. That's not. That's, you know.
Rob Lowe
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
Okay. You've aged well, Rob. Actor, filmmaker, podcast host. The Floor Season 2 premiere on September 25th here on Fox. And what a pleasure to see you again, man.
Rob Lowe
Yeah, I love coming here and talking sports with you. It's just the best one of the.
Colin Cowherd
Great lunches of all time. My wife's rarely jealous of me. I mentioned multiple times. Guess who had lunch today with. Shut up. Yeah, Rob Lowe. Polo. Loud.
Rob Lowe
We'll do it again. And more lunches to come.
Colin Cowherd
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Justin Jefferson
What's Poppin Justin Jefferson here?
Doug Gottlieb
Football is a lot of explosions, a lot of energy and attitude.
Colin Cowherd
It's a whole different vibe with these open earbuds. It's like you're in the moment, but.
Justin Jefferson
Also you can hear everything around you.
Colin Cowherd
You can be involved.
Doug Gottlieb
To have good sound and to be so light on your ear means a lot to me putting that music into my ears.
Colin Cowherd
You feel good enough to go out there and play. You turn on that switch, no one can stop you.
Justin Jefferson
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Doug Gottlieb
Hey guys, this is Matt Jones. Drew Franklin from the Fade. This podcast, we got a great episode coming up. Picks in all the sports. Football, basketball, basketball. We do them all.
Colin Cowherd
But here's a preview of this week's.
Doug Gottlieb
Episode on the Cowboys. I mean they're already a circus.
Colin Cowherd
They need to fix their the sun.
Doug Gottlieb
Coming in their window before they start worrying about.
Colin Cowherd
I like how Jerry was like, what.
Doug Gottlieb
Do you want me to do about sun?
Colin Cowherd
Sun's just up there.
Doug Gottlieb
Ain't like I can do nothing about it.
Colin Cowherd
It's just upper.
Doug Gottlieb
It's just your son.
Colin Cowherd
What are you supposed to do? There's a moon too.
Doug Gottlieb
Hey, sun's upper.
Colin Cowherd
You think?
Doug Gottlieb
Ain't gonna be sonic. And then they're like, well, why don't you, you know, put up a curtain?
Colin Cowherd
What, still the sun? Well, your all pro receiver has his.
Justin Jefferson
Hands in the air with a ball.
Colin Cowherd
Coming at him because he can't see.
Justin Jefferson
Just admit you didn't do a great job designing that.
Colin Cowherd
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, the main challenge you have to face is the fact that you're playing a game that's different. You know, it's still called basketball, but it's FIBA basketball, the Federation of International association of Basketball. And a different ball, two more panels administered just a little bit differently with referees. And so you are the team that's adjusting, the international teams. That's how they play.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
So there's a period of adjustment that needs to be made. And the fact that one of the main things is a lot of the teams that you play against, they have the same core people.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
Over and over. Like the two top teams that we played against during my time were Spain and Argentina. By far.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
And same guys. It was like a brotherhood for them. And so. No, it was. I mean, the Gasols played forever. Ginobili, Scola and all these guys for Argentina. And so what Jerry Colangelo tried to do when he took over USA Basketball in 2005 was to create some level of continuity. So I became the first national coach. That means you had a four year run, just like Steve Kerr has a four year run. And that created continuity. And then could you get some of the same players? So in 08 with the Redeem Team, five of those players ended up being on the London team in 12. And five players from our world championship team in Istanbul also came. So I had 10 players who understood FIBA. Understood FIBA. And that helps. And that's what's helping Steve Kerr. Right now you have Kevin Durant, it's going for his fourth gold medal. LeBron going for his third. You have guys, you know, Curry, a lot of people say it's he's going for his first goal, but he has two golds. He won the world championship in 10 and in 14. So he understands Fibonacci. So does Anthony Davis. The veterans on that team and a couple of the guys who played for Coach Popovich, for Pop in winning in Tokyo are on the team. So there's some level of familiar familiarity, Colin. And that is really very, very important.
Colin Cowherd
So I think it's difficult. It's only 40 minutes long. Everybody's great. Steve Kerr the other day literally apologized for not getting Jayson Tatum in. But sometimes it's matchups, sometimes you need. I felt bad for him because I'm thinking to myself, well, right now, Derrick White and Jrue Holiday work in this rotation. Is did you find when you were coaching, you wouldn't do this at Duke, but you were looking down the bench Thinking, I got this great all Star. I got to get him in the game. Did you coach sometimes like that?
Doug Gottlieb
You know, I'll be honest with you, I did not. But when we met as a team and developed standards of how we were going to live together, and we. We were bonded by the fact that we wanted to win the gold.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
And really, the only question that will be asked of a player, you know, say I played in the Olympics in 2024, they're going to ask, did you win? They're not going to ask how. How much you played, how much you scored, did you win? And so I asked each of the guys to give me their word to pledge that they would do anything that they. That was needed less minutes, more minutes not playing, playing to win the gold medal. And they all did. And we tried to come up with a rotation of probably nine guys and maybe 10 and who started and to give some level of continuity. And then a key thing in the real close games was to have a closing unit in the last six minutes or so that we're accustomed to playing with one another that would be somewhat different from the starters. Yeah. And I tried to use that throughout, and I never really. I didn't worry about the playing time of players, because they shouldn't be worried about it. Yeah, they should only be worried about one thing, and that's winning. And I think this team has that mentality. And I can tell you that the five teams I coached, all those guys were terrific in handling that.
Colin Cowherd
So international, you can't worry about.
Doug Gottlieb
You cannot worry about playing time. You got be worried about defending the three and not committing too many team files that give them free throws. And if we do those two things, then we're going to win.
Colin Cowherd
International basketball has exploded. I can remember 25 years ago when people talked about international players, they were like, oh, they're soft. Domestic players are tougher. Well, now we're adopting and adapting to their game. I watch Wemby sometimes block shots in the NBA with his elbow. Do you remember? I mean, it's insane. He doesn't look like any player I've seen. Even a Chet Holmgren, who was terrific at Gonzaga and okc, doesn't really compare. Do you remember the first time you heard about Wemby? I mean, what have you. What do you make when you watch him? When was the first time you heard about Wemby?
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, a few years ago when I had not seen him yet. And then. And seeing him for the first time and where he's like maybe 4 or 5 inches taller than Go Bear. I said, oh, my God. And then he's dribbling the ball and shooting jump shots and going behind his back. I said, all right, this is. There's nobody like this guy.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
And. But you know, Colin, one quarter of the NBA's players are international players. And that's only going to increase because the international players are taught differently. They're not in a scholastic and academic environment that regulates how much they can practice, how much they can play. So in some respects they have a greater continuity of being coached. And we need to change that in our country in men's college basketball and not having 20 hours a week only of practice or four hours a week during the summer, it's outdated, it's ridiculous. And we need to have shot clocks in every state. We need to play the game the same way. In our country. Yeah, it's played in so many different ways. Whereas in the other countries, if you're in France, Spain, Italy, whatever, from a youngster, until you're an adult, you play the game the same way and you're accustomed to playing with the shot clock.
Colin Cowherd
So a couple non Olympic things to discuss. I like J.J. redick. I think he's smart. I think he's a.
Doug Gottlieb
So do I love him.
Colin Cowherd
He's curious, he's feisty, he's competitive. All the things that make a great coach. Some have said he can be a little, A little arrogant. He can be. But some of the great players and coaches have that. There's a line between that arrogance and confidence. When you hear that, when you hear the criticisms that he's a little arrogant, you know, what do you make of that? Because I always thought he was super confident, but I kind of think that's his, that's his DNA, that's. That's his edge. What do you make of those criticisms?
Doug Gottlieb
Well, yeah, I don't pay any attention to him because, you know, we're dominated by social media. So who is making the criticism? You know, where, you know, opinions are good, but where's the opinion coming from?
Colin Cowherd
Right.
Doug Gottlieb
You know, and, and what's the Source? For me, JJ. JJ's amazingly competitive and is prepared as well as any player that I coached at Duke. He's smart, he's confident, and he understands the game. And having 15 years of being a pro, he has empathy for the guy trying to make it. When he's trying to make it, he makes it. And for the veteran who is still trying to. Trying to make it. He was never a superstar in the NBA, but he was certainly A superstar in the national player of the year when he played in college. So I think he has empathy for what a roster would look like. He certainly understands the pro game, and he desperately wants to be a coach. And I think he surrounded himself up to now. I don't know his entire staff with some veteran coaches, which will. That will help him. But I love him. I think he's terrific, and I think he can relate to his players at the best level.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you've had such a great opportunity and have a relationship with LeBron James. And I've said he reminds me a bit of Tom Brady, where he's such an adult. He has Tom and him have such deep respect for the game itself, for the academic, scholastic side, for the training side. I want you to go back because you've had a relationship with LeBron forever. And much like Wemby, we don't get to see practice stuff. You got to see practice stuff with LeBron. Take me to a moment. Maybe it was Olympics. Maybe it was high school. When you recruit all these guys From Zion to LeBron to Christian Laettner, who I thought still one of the greatest college basketball players I've ever seen. Do you remember the first glimpses of LeBron and did you not only see athleticism, but just a different mindset? He was 20 going on 40. Did you notice it immediately?
Doug Gottlieb
I noticed him when I started coaching him, how smart he was. You know, you're a little bit shocked at the athleticism and just this amazing athlete that's there. And then you add intelligence, then you add a command voice, then you add leadership, and then you add something that a lot of people don't have, and that's the will to prepare to win. Yeah, everyone wants to win. Not everyone will pay the price every day, every year, to be at their best before a practice. I mean, he has the same guy helping him for two decades.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
You know, he stretches for over a half hour, and he. He preps his body, and while he's prepping his body, he's prepping his mind, and he's just so damn prepared. He and Kobe were the two guys I thought were just above everyone in preparation. Physical, mental, you name it. And when they were on the court at a practice or in a game, they wanted to be the best. Yeah, all the time. Yeah, all the time. And they paid the price for it. And, you know, we. For anyone who knocks LeBron in any way, they're just crazy. Like, you know, we're not going to see anybody like him.
Colin Cowherd
Nope.
Doug Gottlieb
He's one of a kind.
Colin Cowherd
Yep.
Doug Gottlieb
Just. And what he's doing in the Olympics, his verve, his demeanor, his attitude, you know, I mean, he helps his team by how he looks.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
Not just how he plays. I want to play with a guy who looks like him because there's hardly anybody who looks like that. I mean, facially, not just body wise, is the face of a champion. This guy has that face of a champion.
Colin Cowherd
Finally. I know we don't want to build up Cooper flag too much, but I did watch him and he's a really. He's a really interesting player.
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
So for somebody that had never seen him play, obviously he was very good very early and he's going to be the number one, two or three pick that and who knows NBA. But if I'd never seen him play, I want you 42 years at Duke, I've never seen him play. And you tell me about what would I expect going to see Cooper? What does he do in your labyrinth of experience, what does he do that is unique?
Doug Gottlieb
Well, it's something that a lot of players are not doing right now. And he loves to not only play, he loves to compete. I'm talking about love. You know, like he, you know, he doesn't care who's watching. He's playing. He loves the game. And that's. That's not found as much. You know, like he, he plays the game because he loves it and he's an outstanding athlete. He's positionless and he competes like crazy. He's got a. I don't know if I haven't coached him, but watching him, he seems to me has a temper or an anger, a competitive anger that takes him to a whole nother level. Like he. He's totally immersed in playing and then he's extremely talented. Yeah, he's not just talented, he's extremely talented. But he has all those intangibles that I've just said. And so if you put that in an outstanding athlete, you're going to have a very special basketball player. And this kid, hopefully he stays healthy and continues to maintain that in this world of now, social media and all. You know, I think people can get too. A player can get too caught up in all that and in what other people think of them. Forget it. Forget it's what who. What you think of you. Yeah, yeah. What your coaches think of you and just be. Stay in that lane and keep that passion and this kid's going to be very, very special.
Colin Cowherd
You know, I was finally, I was thinking about this. I've called Her Taylor Swift in tennis shoes is what I call Caitlin Clark, is that I knew she was talented years ago, and then all of a sudden Taylor Swift does the ERAS tour and you can't get tickets. She sells out SoFi Stadium seven nights in a row. Everybody in LA went to it. And I watched Caitlin Clark a couple years ago and I'm like, oh, she's fun to watch. And it is a tsunami of basketball where even you taken back. First of all, she's very good, but were you taken back by what she's done to women's basketball? Because I. It's got a Taylor Swift field coach. It's like taking over the country.
Doug Gottlieb
Well, it does. And I think also it's the moment to take it over. You know, women's basketball is terrific and it's continued to progress and all of a sudden now it seems this opening for her and it's like it meshes. And you know, the cool thing, one of the cool things about her is that she was at Iowa for a career, so she became like a cult hero there.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Doug Gottlieb
So she was, it was like an Off Broadway thing, you know, where she was accustomed to the crowds and whatever, and she, she handles it so well. And she had like about a 10 game adjustment in the WNBA and now she's going crazy there also. You know what she is, she's genuine. And I think her knowledge, her feel for the game, I think the best thing she does is pass.
Colin Cowherd
Yes, yes. Great passer.
Doug Gottlieb
She's an amazing passer and she sees things. I mean, everyone talks about her shooting and her scoring and obviously she does that really well. But she makes teammates better. And putting her on a WNBA team where you have, you know, adults, you have, you have older players and really talented players, you're going to see her talents even more, and I think you're continuing to see it. And she's going to be one of our great American players. Yeah, I know some people are angry about her not being on the Olympic team and the timing wasn't right yet, you know, but certainly she'll be long there. And it's kind of like in 2008, Kevin Durant was on our select team and he, we, he almost, we almost picked him for the Redeem team. And then he was on the World Championship in 2010 and he averaged 33 points in the medal round and then he took off. I think that trajectory will be there for Caitlin. I really admire how she's handled everything and she's won over the people competing against her. Yeah, they, they See that she's tough, she can handle it and. But I love her passing. I think passing has become a little bit of a lost art with all the ball handling drills and whatever and she sees things that most, most players do not see.
Colin Cowherd
42 years, 5 championships, 3 time Olympic gold medal winning coach, the great Mike Krzyzewski. You look great by the way. You're obviously you're, you're doing something right. You're happy and joyful because you look fantastic. You don't have to be on the recruiting trail 24, 7 that you probably sleep now occasionally. Right.
Doug Gottlieb
That helps. The recruiting trail is not the one I want to be on anymore. No, I, I'm really lucky. I do. I'm consult for the NBA now. I speak a lot. I still work at Duke. I'm in my conference, my old, my conference room and I got 10 grandkids that live within 10 minutes of me. So I'm busy all the time.
Colin Cowherd
Wow, that's a good life. Great seeing you coach. Thank you so much.
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, good being on this is the herd.
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Justin Jefferson
Oh, I definitely am. I got home about 2:30 in the morning. It was a long night, but a fun night. And now we've got a long weekend to rest up and I'll be posted up on my couch watching everybody else play football.
Colin Cowherd
Do quarterbacks get into zones?
Justin Jefferson
I think you certainly can get to a place where you feel like the game slows down and you've got good anticipation. I think that for me, what troubled me to start the year was I didn't feel like I had that anticipation or that sense of where things were going. And each week I've improved. And then I felt like Last night, our offense and my own play kind of took a big jump forward where I was anticipating better. I was playing fast, I was quick, but I wasn't in a hurry. And that's really where you want to be all the time. But it's just taken me a few weeks to get there and now the challenge is, can we sustain over the next, you know, few months.
Colin Cowherd
You're on a very young offense. Drake, London, Kyle Pitts, Bijan, these are kids. You're like a coach. Is that hard? Is it refreshing? How does that land for you?
Justin Jefferson
I enjoy it, I enjoy it. I think it gives me a chance to assert myself more as a leader. When I was in Washington, I was playing with players who were twice my age at those skill positions. You know, Vernon Davis, Pierre Garcon, desean Jackson. These guys had double digit years in the league and I was, you know, in year four just trying to figure it out and hoping they weren't going to get mad at me. So now as a 13 year vet working with guys in year two and three, it gives me a great chance to be an encourager to kind of help them hopefully get to where they want to go and be a part of that. So I enjoy that opportunity.
Colin Cowherd
There's not seven, eight guys in the world right now playing quarterback that could have done that. Last minute 14, no timeouts. That is really hard. Take me to the last minute 14. Is there ramped up anxiety? What are you looking for? Everybody was clearly on the same page. Is that, do you get more focused in those little micro moments?
Justin Jefferson
Well, I think you trust your training and you go back to your process. You know, Koo being the kicker, you know that you have some grace as to how far you need to go to get that field goal. And then, you know, we're pretty well coached on those situations of when the ball's got to be out of bounds or to the end zone and when you know we have to clock it. So that was executed well. And to your point, the referees have gotten a lot better at allowing people to clock the ball quickly. I think two or three years ago that ref might have taken too long. We wouldn't have had a chance. So kudos to them for kind of getting that dialed in, where he just touches the ball and enables us to operate quickly.
Colin Cowherd
You know, I was looking at this, your coaches, this is crazy. McVeigh, Shanahan, LaFleur, Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski, Kevin O'Connor, you have had smart dudes. You've probably, and I think Raheem Morris for a defensive coach is he was McVeigh's buddy. He's probably better than average for a defensive coach. Did you take little bits and pieces out of all of them? And I mean, have you. Could you say, yeah, McVeigh showed me this. Kevin O'Connell or if you've always been kind of the same guy, have you borrowed things? Do you take things when you have that many good coaches around you?
Justin Jefferson
That's a great question. Many of them came from the same tree and so they were often in the same room. And as a result, we sort of speak the same high level language with all of them. That being said, it's been fascinating to see as they've gone their separate ways, they've each kind of put their own spin on things. And so I've gotten back with a Kevin O'Connell or a Zach Robinson after being with Sean McVeigh and being away from Sean for several years and then learning how Sean and their group evolved it from where we were when I was with Sean has been really cool to see. And then each person kind of puts their own creative spin on it. And you know, now in Atlanta we're kind of trying to evolve into what the twin 2024 Falcons look like, which is, you know, different from the 23 Vikings, different from the 23 Rams that Zach Robinson was with. But keep trying to take those steps and innovate and. And then also it's a copycat league, so you try to steal from the good ideas you see on tape. But I've been very fortunate to be around a lot of great coaches. I throw Gary Kubiak and Clint Kubiak and Rick Dennison into that list. Big part of having success at the quarterback position is who are your coaches? And for 13 years I've been able to be around a lot of good ones.
Colin Cowherd
You have a lot more records than people realize. Most game winning drives in the history of the league in a single season, eight. And you know, I said this earlier. You and Peyton Manning are very detailed, precise guys. You're smart, you're detailed early in both of your careers. Sometimes Instead of the 1:00 game, you go to these prime time games. You're sitting around all day in a hotel and early in your career and Payton's people said, well, Curtin primetime games isn't the same quarterback. Well, that's changed and it changed for Peyton. You go back to your first, second, third year in the league and now what have you done? Because something's different. You're now one of the best in the league. So was Peyton at the end. But in the first couple years, there was a label. Kirk, Peyton. They're precise, they're detailed, they don't like to be off their, you know, schedule. Was that true? What happened? What's transformed for you?
Justin Jefferson
You know, it's hard to say. I think when you go back and look at it. I had a couple clunkers in primetime when I was a young player, but to be honest, those games had been played at noon or 1:00. It probably would have been a clunker anyways because of how young of a player I was. But the reality was I was playing on teams that were 500 teams and in prime time. We often got scheduled to play defending super bowl champs and division champs and, you know, teams that were going to make deep runs in the playoffs. And so it was unlikely we were going to win going into the game. And then when we lost, it became, you know, Kirk's not great in prime time, but if you really look at the production, I was pretty much the same player from just a statistical standpoint in those prime time games, we just weren't winning. And as of late, we've been able to kind of turn the tide when it comes to finding a way at the end of the game to win. But if, you know, a call doesn't go our way last night or a break doesn't go our way, you know, yes, we lose, but I don't walk away saying I didn't pull play well. I just walk away saying, we didn't do enough to win. And I understand it's all about winning, but, you know, I wouldn't have changed my approach as to how I played or how I prepared. So, you know, as a quarterback, you're going to always kind of get too much praise, too much criticism. And I think some of that showed up with the prime time narrative. But I'm kind of on the other side of it now where now people view me as, oh, you're playing well in primetime. And I'm thinking, well, I'm playing about the same. We're just winning. And so at least a little more praise.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, clutch Kirk Cousins, by the way, about 45 seconds left, first game off of surgery, people said, look at Kirk, he doesn't trust his body. Second game, everybody's like, kirk's back. We got 40 seconds. But you've changed. I mean, it did look like that first game, you were kind of feeling your body out. How do you feel now? How do you feel?
Justin Jefferson
You know, it had less to do with the Achilles. It had more to do with the fact that I just hadn't played since week eight of last year and I wore a red jersey in practice all these months and I didn't play in a preseason game and practice oftentimes we were going against the Twos and there was just a lot of simulated things that weren't the real deal. And so to be back in the fire for the first time, I had some rust to get off. And I think each week, the last several have been an improvement. And I think last night we took a big step forward, but now the challenge is can we continue to maintain that standard as we move forward. But I did feel a different level of anticipation and playing fast last night. That is back to kind of my old self that I felt was we were on our way there, but we hadn't really closed the gap. It felt until last night.
Colin Cowherd
By the way, Zach Robinson maybe only throw 54 times next week, not 58. 509 yards, four touchdowns. It's just, it was remarkable. And congratulations. You've earned it. You not only deserve it for your career, you've earned it. And I appreciate you doing this. Go take an afternoon nap on us. We appreciate you.
Justin Jefferson
I think I will. Colin.
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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd | Hour 1 - The LA Sports Scene
Podcast Information:
Timestamps: 03:02 – 16:15
Colin Cowherd welcomes actor and sports enthusiast Rob Lowe to discuss his multifaceted career and passion for sports. The conversation delves into Lowe's experiences in Hollywood, his enduring love for baseball, and his personal journey towards sobriety.
On the Unexpected Longevity of Movies:
Sobriety and Personal Growth:
Sports Enthusiasm and Achievements:
Timestamps: 19:55 – 39:38
The podcast features a comprehensive interview with the legendary Duke basketball coach, Mike Krzyzewski. Coach K provides insights into his coaching philosophy, the evolution of international basketball, and the dynamics of Olympic competition.
Adapting to International Play:
Building Team Chemistry and Commitment:
Evolution of Players and Coaching Strategies:
Player Development and Leadership:
Future of Women's Basketball:
Personal Reflections and Legacy:
Timestamps: 40:00 – 53:50
In this segment, NFL star Justin Jefferson discusses his role as a quarterback, his leadership style, and the challenges of playing in high-pressure game situations.
Leadership with Younger Teammates:
Handling High-Stakes Moments:
Adapting Coaching Techniques:
Overcoming Early Career Challenges:
Post-Injury Performance:
Rob Lowe on Sobriety:
Coach K on Team Bonding:
Justin Jefferson on Leadership:
Coach K on Adapting to International Play:
In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, listeners gain insightful perspectives from high-profile guests like Rob Lowe and Coach Mike Krzyzewski. The discussions offer a deep dive into balancing personal passions with professional commitments, the intricacies of coaching elite sports teams, and leadership dynamics within highly competitive environments. Additionally, Justin Jefferson provides a firsthand account of the challenges and triumphs experienced by a top-tier NFL quarterback. This episode richly encapsulates the vibrant LA sports scene through engaging conversations and valuable insights.
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