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Be sure to catch us live every Weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now, let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's a Thursday. Lions, packers tonight, Greg Cosell in one hour, customary on Thursday, live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your. Yes. One hour from now, Greg Cosell. We'll talk about tonight's game. Packers, Lions. We'll get to that in a second. Jmac. We. We witnessed something last night in Los Angeles. It was actually in Miami. For many people, the curtain is closing. The end is nigh. Here we go. All right, come on. So I want to start today. The Lakers got shelled last night, lost by 41 points. First it was Frank Vogel. Get him out of here. He's no good. Then it was Darvin Hamm. He's a bum. And now J.J. redick through his first 22 games. What do you know? It's the same team as Darvin Ham's first 22 games last season. In fact, offensive guy J.J. redick is averaging a point less. Why? Because there's two truths about this Laker franchise. The roster's not good and LeBron's getting older. And they have no chance to win a championship. None. Here's how far the standard has been lowered. And this is always how businesses die. The standard. I was talking to Jimmie Johnson about this a couple weeks ago. I asked him, do you like coaching college or pro better? He said college is more fun. In pro football. You have to constantly beyond your assistant coaches because they have players unlike college, where players siphon through every three or four years. And the pros, you can have a linebacker for eight years, a tight end for nine years, a quarterback for 12 years. You have to stay on your assistants and coordinators. Don't be best friends, be bosses. And. And that's. And that's the truth. The standard is so low for the Lakers, they just keep letting it go lower. That their. Their point of pride now is that in 13 of the last 14 games against Denver, they've lost, but they've kept it close. That's a real thing in la. Hey man, we lose to Denver and Jokic by this much. That's the standard. It's crazy. And how this is why the Lakers and the Cowboys, they've lowered the standard. 12 wins. Dak's a B plus guy. That's the standard now in Dallas. So the Lakers and the Cowboys, too many family members have a role in the organization. The star of the team, LeBron. And Dak is paid more than right now. He delivers. Sorry. It's true. You have very average rosters that are top, heavy on top, all brand. No Braun, that's the Cowboys and the Lakers. And it all comes down to a lowering of standards. It's why Jimmie Johnson had to bark constantly. I mean Austin Reeves, stop. He should be a fifth starter. Well Dalton connect after that one big night. He's averaged 11 a game over the last two weeks. That's what he is. He shoots some threes. It's a nice player, it's fun. But he's probably a 4 to a 5 on a really good basketball team. Derrick White is better than both and he's a five or a four for the Celtics. They are winning titles going forward last year and moving forward. So it's just the lowering of standards. The Lakers are full of average athletes. They can't defend the three. That's what they are. Just got a bunch of average athletes. Last night was a complete embarrassment. But this year for the Cowboys has been a complete embarrassment. Too many family members have important roles in the franchise. The standards have been lowered. Like any regressing business, you just settle, you know, ain't on my belt. I have to. I'll just cut out another loop in my belt, you know, just. I mean I know I'm now a 42 weights not a 38, but you know, these pants still, you know, I can just unbutton the top button. They mostly fit. So last night it was, it was bad. And J.J. redick, the offensive guy whose team is now averaging less through 22 games than Darvin Ham, the defensive guys team did. Here's JJ after. I'm embarrassed. We're all embarrassed. That's not. It's not a game that I thought we had the right fight, the right professionalism, you know. Not sure what was lost in translation. There has to be some ownership on the court and I'll take all the ownership in the world. This is my team and I lead it and I'm embarrassed. Yeah, but what are you going to do? Average roster, aging LeBron, that's what it is. So I want to talk about Caleb Williams and I think Caleb's having a really good season but because the team is 4 and 8, people are freaking out. And we do this, we get paralyzed on records. It's all about the records. But if you contextualize anything, and I'll do that later with Lincoln Riley, but contextualize four wins, take out the record for a second. If I said to you, going into this season for the Chicago Bears, through 12 games with an incompetent franchise, a coach so bad that for the first time ever, the Bears fired their head coach during the season. If I said, you know what? Through 12 games, Caleb Williams has as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts. He's passing for more yards per game than Justin Herbert and Kyler Murray and has a higher completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence. You'd be kind of impressed, right? In the toughest division in football. If I said he has more passer rating games over 100 than Patrick Mahomes at this point. And oh, by the way, just set a rookie all time record for the most passes thrown without an interception. It's 212 and counting. How would you look at him then? Oh, by the way, he's on his second play caller. His coach just got fired. The offensive line has gone downhill from a year ago. He set a rookie Record. More 100 plus passer rating games than Mahomes, more yards a game than Herbert or Kyler Murray, as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts with this mess of a franchise hovering around him. Oh, by the way, the last three losses, Vikings, Lions, packers, all going to be playoff teams by a total of seven points. He didn't give up the Hail Mary. And by the way, he's getting better. His last nine games, 12 touchdowns, one pick. So again, I used to say this all the time when Ann and I, you know, the kids are young, they're like 5 and 7 and 8 and 9. Kids are kids, right? And if we had like, you know, a bad day, the kids, something went wrong. I always said, would we have signed up for this? If you would have told me our biggest problem in 2017 is one of our kids got caught doing blank, would you have said that's our biggest problem? Y'all sign up now. Nobody thought this thing was going to be smooth. If you get out of the record, you know, the best division in football, they're losing. Close to Detroit, close to Green Bay, close to Minnesota. And here's another thing I like, I always say this when somebody leaves, don't just judge Jim Harbaugh's record, what he did at Michigan. What happened to the Niners when he left? They collapsed in the last couple days. Lincoln, Riley's Trojans, 6 and 6. There's a rumor that other schools are contacting him. USC did a nosedive this year without Caleb. It's not just where you go. It's what happened to the place you left. And through all of it, Caleb Williams, he's got a Dak Prescott quality, a Justin Herbert quality. Even through dysfunction, he'll go to the microphone and he always says the right thing. This is after Shane Waldron. He has a new play caller, Thomas Brown. After Shane Waldron was fired. Ample opportunities to bury people. And once again, he walks up to the podium and says the right thing. They're not going to reinvent the wheel. In a sense, you know, we're mid season and, you know, that's not a decision for me. I have to deal with what coach says. I have to do with whatever decision he makes. I'm going to have to be fine with it. Will I be able to adapt? Yes, I will. We will be able to adapt whatever coach decision he makes. And then, you know, from there we have to go out there and execute and win games. Yeah. Thomas Brown's now the interim head coach. He won't be the head coach. But again, whenever you go through a bad day, it could be with your kids, it could be at work. Just ask yourself, would you have signed? If that's your worst day, would you have signed up for it? I said before the season started, I said, I think they're going to win seven games and finish in fourth place. It's going to be turbulent. I don't think Eber Fluss is the guy long term and the division is the best in football. But I think if you're truthful and honest, at the end of the year, you'll look up and go, we've got Our quarterback more 100/plus passer rating games than Mahomes, more passing yards a game than Herbert Kyler Murray, better completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence, as many passing touchdowns as Jalen hurts with those weapons in that offensive line. Yeah, I'd sign up for that. He's a block kicked here and a Hail Mary there and bad coaching there from being 8 and 4, not 4 and 8. Don't be paralyzed by the record. J. Mac, Greg Cosell in 50 minutes. A lot of positivity today. You know, that's the new me. I was thinking about something. We had Joel Clad on the show yesterday and as we've talked about, you know, a game, you know, it's an upset when it's Thursday and we're still talking about a Saturday college football game. But I want to try to center this whole Ryan Day thing. Oh, okay. Because there's a lot of talk. Good luck with that. Well, if they lose in the first playoff game, there are a lot of people in Columbus that think it's time for a new coach, and so I just want to offer something to think about. Next Greg Cosell in 50 minutes, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app Apple Card is the perfect card for your holiday shopping. You can apply on your iPhone in minutes and start using it right away. You'll earn up to 3% daily cash back on every purchase, including products at Apple like a new iPhone 16 or Apple Watch Ultra. Start holiday shopping for your friends and family today with Apple Card subject to credit approval. Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch terms and more at applecard.com Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show, and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. 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The disaster. Now they may have plans to move off Ryan Day. Not saying that's right. But there's if they lose first game of the playoff, it's going to get ugly. I don't think he's going to get fired, but it's going to get ugly. So let's just start with this premise that 5% of any industry is elite. After that, it's very good. Good, capable, below average, awful. But about 5% is great. So now that Mack Brown is leaving North Carolina, there's only two coaches that have natties in college football, Kirby Smart and Dabo Sweeney. Now we've also lost Chris Peterson, Harbaugh, Urban, Meyer, Saban. Those to me are elite. Elite coaches. They're all gone. So Kirby Smart and Dabble, Only coaches with natties. That's the first group we know. They're great coaches. Then there's the second group that I believe can win over the course of time, a national championship. Kalyn DeBoer, Josh Hypel, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiffin, Dan Lading, Steve Sarkeesian. Don't live in the moment. Brian Kelly's a great coach. He won 10 straight 10 plus games seven years in a row until this past year. Like get over it. Every coach, all coaches have bad seasons. So if you take out Dabo and Kirby, you go to the second group. People I think can win. Then there's the third group that maybe they can, but I'm not sure. Inexperienced maybe. Let's go to the third group. And this is the group I think Ryan Day is in now. Mario Cristobal, better recruiter than coach James Franklin doesn't beat good teams. Ryan Day likewise Marcus Freeman, really young. Lincoln Riley feels like some pop. His teams lack a toughness and a grit. So I had Ryan Day and Lincoln riley in Group 2 until this year. I've got new information. I'm not living in the moment, but Lincoln Riley since Caleb left something the recruiting is not as good, the staff needs work. So I had Ryan Day in the second category. And then I watched Michigan, Ohio State and that's as I said, as bad a loss as I've ever seen. Now Joel Clack came on the show yesterday and defended Ryan Day. Although Buckeye fans may not agree, here was Joel's take. Ryan is a very good coach. I think that there's a mental block with Michigan right now and this feels like something that when he gets over the hump, it's going to be big. I mean, Harbaugh didn't win over Urban Meyer and they stuck with him. You look at the history of college football and what you'll see is that most often even the greatest coaches in the history of our sport have taken a while to win their championship. It took Osborne quite a while. It took Bowden quite a while. You know, it's very rare that you get these guys that win it right away like Bob Stoops or Larry Coker. It's generally the opposite. Guys take a while. Urban Meyer took a while. Saban it took a while. So here's where I would disagree. Brian Kelly had an off season but he's won everywhere. He's proven every place he goes he wins. Ryan Day never had a previous job. And so all I know is the information I have, which is he loses big games and he's lost four straight to Michigan and he looks like he gets out coached. I mean they scored 10 points against Michigan. Arkansas State scored 18 points against Michigan. Michigan State, Arkansas State, whatever. State scored more than 10 points against Michigan. So it's, it's one of those things. Where is Ohio State satisfied? They're not in group one now, Natty, I don't know if you can put Ryan day in group two. Lane Sark. Guys, I think Kalen DeBoer are good enough. Kalen DeBoer got Washington to a national championship last year with maybe the 10th best roster in college football. 8th, 10th, 12th, something like that. So I think that's where you are if he beats a Tennessee. So for Ryan Day, the playoff is inarguably huge because let's say he goes and beats a Josh Hyp, who I think is a great young coach. I think Josh H. Is good enough to win a Natty. He's the Tennessee coach. If he can beat Josh H and they both have great players and then he can beat, let's say an Alabama or whoever he plays after that, Kalen DeBoer, then I think I'm good. Just going back and putting Ryan Day in the second category and agreeing with Joel Klatt. It's just Michigan's in his head thing, and that's happened before for coaches. But. But if they get one and done and Josh H. And Kalen DeBoer and coaches I know can win a tie, I really feel strongly then the Buckeyes have to live with a Category 3. Coach J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news. Colin. We must start with the Kansas City Chiefs. Unbelievable NFL record 14 straight one score games they've been victorious in. This dates back to last season. They had a lucky victory in week 13. I know you love when I say l, but Patrick Mahomes believes that the close games are actually a good thing for KC heading into the final stretch of the season. Keeps you motivated, which I think can be a good thing in the end. I think sometimes I look back on the year we lost in the super bowl and we were very dominant throughout the regular season. And it's just kind of like you get in this point where you start coasting because you're just, you're winning games, you're just kind of doing the normal thing. Whereas if you look at us last year, even though it didn't go the way we wanted to, but it's keeping us hungry so that we can try to continue to get better as the season goes on. Mm. I know you've been a doubter on that team and one of us is not. They will be in the AFC Championship. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Yes. I don't know who they'll play. My guess is Buffalo. But they'll be in there guaranteed. Just write it down. You're getting a little ahead of yourself. You trust Baltimore's defense, inexperience of Houston trust Kansas City's offense. I'm going to tell you something. One of the teams that matches up with them is the Chargers and they have no playmakers. Chargers are going to lose this weekend, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Bills and the Chiefs for my two favorite plays. Oh, big favorites. Listen, I think the Chargers are built, just not right now without Dobbins. This lad McConkey thing, they're waiting to see if he plays or not. But I was reading an article, Colin, about how defenses had been playing zone against the Chargers and they've now adjusted to man, because nobody can get open. There's like the tight ends, the wide receivers, they can't get open. And the Chargers offense has sagged a little the last couple of weeks. We'll see. I'm rooting. Chargers people aren't considering this either with Kansas City. Okay, so pro athletes are young and young people get over their skis and into themselves. And even though Mahomes and Travis Kelce and Chris Jones are the grownups, that team's got a lot of young players because they're having to move off people constantly because they pay Mahomes, Chris Jones and Kelsey so much. So the roster is actually young in a lot of spots because it has to be because you have to get third, fourth, fifth, sixth rounders. When you pay three guys that much and Joe Tuney makes a ton. And so when you're a back to back champion, is it possible that young men feeling themselves, have to be reminded how long the season is? Of course, I think sometimes we don't. We know in basketball Kobe and Shaq broke up simply over ego. But I think it exists in the NFL as well. And that's why super bowl losers, they call it the super bowl loser hangover. Why? I think it's guys that forget how hard it is to get there. You lose the super bowl and you're like, hey, hey, we're a very good team. And those teams often fall off the cliff. The super bowl winning team often has a different ascension than a Super bowl losing team. And especially if it's an NFC team from a weaker conference. Right? It's like San Francisco, super bowl crash, super bowl crash. So I guess my take is we don't consider this. They're going for something that's never happened, a three peat. Athletes are richer than ever. I think there's mental fatigue, I think there is ego. I think it's incredible. The reason teams don't win three in a row is not just because it's hard. It's because there's. The pro athletes are more distracted. So I just think Kansas City is a team that's battling things that aren't discussed. Egos, entitlement, money distractions. As a two time champ going for an NFL record third straight. Well, we'll see if they can fix a left tackle issue. The defense has just been hemorrhaging yards and points the last couple weeks. Let me ask one final team you didn't mention in the afc and I've been slow on this team, but how do the Pittsburgh Steelers match up with the Kansas City Chiefs? Don't have the ceiling, but pretty well. They can keep the score low. It'll be a low scoring game. I like TJ Watts chances coming off the edge. Yeah, no, I think they match up pretty well. I think if you have like the Chargers have good edge rushers, the Steelers have good edge rushing, that can give Kansas City some trouble. And offensively, Arthur Smith. The difference is the Steelers can beat you over the top, the Chargers can't. That's why the Steelers are a better matchup on Kansas City. My shot. You said the Chiefs are beating the AFC championship game. I say if the Steelers play the Chiefs, Steelers win. Okay. I don't think it's craziest thing I've ever heard. I don't think it's the craziest thing. It's not the craziest thing. I think Andy Reid would dial up something to figure out a way to win it. Tomlin will be an underdog there. No, that's good. That's a good point. That's a good point. I might have to bring out a terrible towel if they win that game. Somebody send me one and I will wave it after the Chiefs go down. Next story is Dak Prescott yesterday supported McCarthy while driving in his car. Now, McCarthy has chimed in and said that, listen, hey, Dak, he kind of sort of was on to something. But here's McCarthy yesterday. I think it's just like anything, you know, we're in year five of our program. I think we have a lot of excellent things in place. I think we have some things that we can do better. And you know, I think that's all part of growing. And it's no different than the way I felt in year five and six in my last opportunity. I think it's like any job in this one specifically. I mean, I had clear understanding of the responsibilities. This is the most input I've ever been a part of as a head coach in personnel. So, you know, particularly in the draft. Oh, no. Why. Why would he say that? Yeah. What are you doing? Everybody out here is blaming. Well, Jerry Jones gave him a crap roster. Can't do anything with this roster. And now he says he had a lot of input on the roster. What is McCarthy doing? I don't love this. Feels like a big misstep. Well, that was. Are we overreacting or. No, it wasn't a great draft. It was a draft that was rebuilding offensive lines. So it's a lot of players that people didn't pay attention to in college. It wasn't a very glamorous draft. I mean, the Bears get a star quarterback and a star receiver. It was a bunch of offensive tackles. And I'm looking at the stats from everybody they've drafted. They have four catches for 44 yards, and it looks like nothing significant defensively. How about that? They haven't done anything. This is the most input you've had. Now, he did get over shown last year. That kid looks good. Yeah. Number. He's. Where's number 13? He's everywhere. Last year's draft, though. Mazzie Smith, like first round pick. And that's not good. Schoonmaker is like a backup tight end. By the way, Mike McCarthy just announced that Zach Martin is out for the season. Offensive guard. They're their best lineman. He's probably done in Dallas, right? Tyron Smith type situation getting old. Yep. Move on. Somebody's gonna get him. Yeah. Jets got Tyron Smith. How'd that work out, by the way? Not great. Yeah, this feels like a bad misstep by McCarthy. He's taking the blame off Jerry Jones. I don't. I don't love that. Final story to the Jets. I guess we're going to talk about this is very encouraging. Oh, really? This is a big story. All right. I guess cowards into this. Let's hear some energy. Reports indicate Mike Vrabel has told people. This is according to a reporter in New York that Vrabel is open to the jets vacancy. However, he would only fill the position if he approves of the GM higher. The report adds that Vrabel doesn't care about Belichick's opinion of Woody Johnson. Remember, he kind of said, well, that's the owner. They stink. And that he would interview and decide on his own. Now, the GM part's interesting. Do you remember in Tennessee, the GM mysteriously traded A.J. brown and the team just went into a nose dive and that was it for Vrabel. So he wants to approve essentially, who's going to be controlling the roster. And I think that kind of makes sense. But I'm going to go ahead and guess that this is just a leverage play for Rabel. Right. He's maybe interested in the Bears or Ohio State, and he's going to use the Jets. They get used every year. Hey, the jets want me. You got to pony up. You know, I would give Mike Vrabel chances landing with the jets, like 3%. Okay. You think it's higher than that? Yes, because I think Belichick's not going to take it. You can't give another coordinator the job. Woody Johnson's into stars and big names, and so I think. I think my guess is they'll go Vrabel. I mean, listen, I'm blown away right now. You think Vrabel's taking this job with Aaron Rodgers? Again, his uncertainty if he doesn't get the Chicago job. It's one of the only jobs that has a good roster. They got good players. What if Mike Rabel just wants to live in New Orleans? You think that's a great city and his wife's into it? I got Derek. I have a much, much better roster in New York, and I may be able to get more control because of Mickey Loomis and John Jeff Ireland. You may not have much control in personnel. They've already got their staff all there. He may not like. He may not connect with those guys in New York. It's a fresh start. You get big say and you get mate. Get more leverage. New Orleans has their owner, their operations guy, their scouts. That stuff's all set. And their other. You're an interloper. You're the new guy in New York. You may be front and center of the new group. Do you think this is Rabel trying to convince Woody? Listen, man, you guys are desperate. I'm a good, proven coach. You want me, I need to approve the GM hire. No, you gotta make some. Listen, Rex Ryan on ESPN saying I'm interested. Mike Vrabel. Bill Belichick's essentially auditioning for a job every time he's on the Manning cast, which is, by the way, I get it. I totally get it. When you watch these coaches, you can tell the ones that want to get back into coaching, they go on shows and tell you, you know, I'd consider anything. Well, that's not a bad job. I actually like that team's roster. They're auditioning for jobs, and that's fine. I'm not judging, but, I mean, I watch. I'm watching Belichick and Rex Ryan and various coaches say things they're looking to get back in. So there's an elected official in our country who watches a lot of television, and when it's time to pick his cabinet, he's picking guys from tv. Woody Johnson's friends with this guy. It's almost like, Woody Johnson, hey, I see Tannenbaum on tv. Let me bring him in. Rex Ryan's on tv. Ooh, interesting. Mike Vrabel. And I wonder if he's just going to be swayed by what he sees on television. People saying, hey, Jet's job's a great one. Hey, can I have GM say, and Woody Johnson's gonna operate that way? I would. I. Is that any worse than hiring a firm to hire your coach? A search firm? No, that's gonna have value. Have you ever hired a headhunter? No. No. Well, I think if you're in biotech, you know, and you're looking globally for a bi, you'd hire a biotech headhunter. That's different. Football coaches, there's 32 jobs. We know who's good and who's not. You've got an agent, I have an agent. The agent does all the legwork, right? Yeah, but that's. It's just different. It's. Yeah, I don't. That's not analogous to me. That feels different. I just think you hire however you can hire if you find the right guy, who cares. I mean, did it help Sean Payton that he was on Fox every week talking about football? Sounded very smart. Is it possible? Because I know the Washington commanders were very interested in Sean Payton, and is it very possible their ownership group was watching him and seeing clips of him and thinking, geez, this guy's really sharp. I absolutely think that matters. Of course, I think a lot of people. I think J.J. redick got the Lakers job. Part of the reason he got the Lakers job is that you watched him on TV and you'd thought, boy, he's, you know, he's sharp, he makes good points, he's confrontational. He's friends with LeBron on a podcast. I think that was a big part of them hiring him. I really do. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying you should go to TV people for jobs, but I think that, I mean, if you were looking for somebody, and I mean my little podcast company, it's amazing where I find people, how I hear people sometimes. It's a Friend of a friend. Sometimes I hear a clip. Anybody can look good in sound bites or sound like they know what the hell they're talking about. I don't know. There's some guys out there who are proven entities who have delivered numbers, ie wins. Vrabel's kind of done that. I don't need to hear. Oh, I think Frable's an excellent coach. He's excellent. He got a number one seed in the AFC with Ryan Tannehill. Yeah. Then he got smoked. Well. By Joe Burrow and a team that ended up in the Super Bowl. I mean, all right, it's not happening. They're not getting brave. No. They're gonna have to go down to like, third, fourth, fifth option. Nobody wants to work for Woody Johnson and nobody wants to work with Aaron Rodgers. That sounds very, very, very negative. Get Aaron Rodgers. Get him on the horn. See what, hey, Kevin Durant says you don't need a coach, just hire Aaron. That's right. Kevin Durant. Yeah. It really worked well the first time in New York. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. I'll give you an example of great coaching. 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And for some reason, I. And I'm guilty of this, too. I'm like, I don't mention Matt LaFleur. And I mean, in fact. And people will jump on Dan Campbell and go, look, look at Dan Campbell. But the truth is, Aaron Rodgers left Green Bay and the franchise got better with Jordan Love. That's something. It's also the youngest roster in the NFL. That's actually good. So he's dealing with a lot of kids. But I'll give you an example of what I think Matt LaFleur's coaching is all about. I think he's very patient. I think he really knows offense. So the last two seasons, we took the first five games of Jordan Love, first five this year that he started. Remember he was banged up and the first five last year that he started this year and last year, first five games he started. And the numbers are brutal. He's not very good. And then we took the last. For our radio audience basically has an 86 passer rating. He's 5 and 5, 23 touchdowns, 14 picks. Then we took the last five games he played last year and the last five games he's played this year, and he's basically Patrick Mahomes. So for whatever reasons, Jordan Love has to get rebuilt the last two years. And clearly the longer he's with Matt LaFleur, the better he gets. You know, compare that to the longer Caleb Williams was with Shane Waldron, the worse it got. The longer Russell Wilson was with Nat Hackett, the worse it got. But with Jordan Love, whatever reasons, he comes out of the off season and he is choppy, it doesn't look good. I mean, it's a Backup, the numbers are 59% completion percentage, 86 passer rating. That's a backup in this league. That's. That's not somebody you'd resign by the end of the season. This season and last, he's Mahomes. He's playing at that kind of level. So to me, that is what great coaching is, the ability over time to take really young players and that sort of defines the packers roster and make them better. And I don't know why Jordan Love has to get rebuilt this year. Obviously there were some injuries the year before. Maybe he was just raw. But last two years, end of the season, it is special and it's undeniable. So I want to talk about something else here, and I think this is interesting. I was thinking about this this morning. So yesterday was National Letter of Intent day in college football. It doesn't mean as much as it used to because with the transfer portal now, you used to take 25 high schoolers. Now teams take like 18 high schoolers, 16 high schoolers. And then they go get transfer portal guys. And transfer portal guys are already in college football kicking butt. So those guys don't miss very often. If a guy's good at Oregon State, chances are he's going to be good at Oregon. If a guy is good at Purdue, chances he'd be good at Iowa. If a guy is good at Wisconsin and you played against him, he'll probably be good at Michigan. So the transfer portal is. It's like a real thing. And so I used to look at National Letter of Intent Day as a defining moment for where you were going. I don't anymore. Yesterday, Lincoln Riley's class, it was fine. They got the best defensive lineman arguably in the country. That's a big deal. They haven't done that forever from Louisiana. But I'm going to explain something. Not to defend it, but explain something. And here was Lincoln Riley yesterday talking about his decent, you know, 15th best recruiting class. I tell him, I'm a USC Trojan man. This is. I'm at the place I want to be. So that's. It's a non starter. It's a non issue. That's. I'm home, okay? So again, the world's changed in terms of recruiting. I don't look at yesterday as a defining day. Usc, if they land a great quarterback in the portal, a couple linebackers and a wide receiver, the class will look different. So they're not getting rid of him. They owe him 90 million. He want. He's not looking for another job. This is not the south where like everybody like loses sleep if you win or you lose. There's a lot of context here. It's Los Angeles. He took over a program that was a mess. They just lost. Caleb Williams and the offense struggle. And also Jim Harbaugh's third year at Michigan, he pulled back Brian Kelly. Year seven at Notre Dame was a mess. You know, the south is different, Ohio State's different. If you lose to Michigan, you're on the hot seat. So the concerning issue for a lot of people is that he's not doing a good job recruiting LA kids. That's the 6 and 6 is not as big a deal as you think. In 11 of 12 games USC led in the fourth quarter. They're not getting blown out. You get the same product every week. They just don't have enough good players. Notre Dame was the first game all year they didn't have a lead in the fourth quarter. I think like 11 of 12, they're not up down roller coaster. Maryland, Penn State, they, lsu, the good teams, the bad team, they lead in the fourth quarter. In all of them they lose leads, half of them. But here is my. I'm going to give you my belief on what's happening because I've been watching it for two years. It's not that Lincoln Riley wants to get on a plane and fly to Louisiana. It's not that Lincoln Riley wants to get on a plane and fly to Georgia. They don't want to do that. He'd want to recruit Southern California kids but maybe he's on to something. So I've had this discussion with somebody in recruiting that high school coaching in Southern California is unbelievable. It's really good. It's like college football sometimes. The modern days, the Bosco's, the high school coaching is exceptional in Southern California the players are overrated, they're soft. It's Southern California, they're coached brilliantly. A five star kid in LA is a four star kid in Georgia and a four star kid in la. And there's a lot of them is a three star kid in Texas. I really believe that. Now I'm not going to say that with quarterbacks or wide receivers because LA is the 7 on 7 dreamland. The weather's always perfect. Quarterbacks, wide receivers by all means, Alabama, Ole Miss, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, come on out here and grab our kids. But I think Lincoln Riley looks at this and goes, you know, we've done a little data on this and we don't want to announce it but a four star Georgia kid, a Four star Texas kid is better than a four star LA kid. And I don't know if he's wrong. I do not know if he's wrong. I mean, I could name off the top of my head and I'm not going to name out kids. 10, 5 star LA kids. None panned out. Most are out of football four years later. So it's not 6 and 6. This team took Penn State to overtime. They were driving for the winning score against Notre dame. They beat LSU. It's not man overboard. It's 6 and 6 and they're recruiting. And I don't think it's the worst plan. They did just land the best quarterback in Southern California. You know, they got one of the best corners, receivers, corners, quarterbacks. LA is great. It's, it's, it's la la land. It's great. Interior linemen, linebackers, they're going to Michigan. Interior linemen, they're going to Louisiana. Running backs, they're going to Texas and Georgia. I don't think, I don't think that's a bad move necessarily. The aesthetics are bad, the optics are bad. But I think Southern California high school coaching is so good, is so stupendously good. The top programs are so well run. They're like colleges that we overvalued the players. Just my thought, maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Greg Cosell coming up. J Mac, you get me into recruiting, I could go for hours and hours. I don't want to do that. Deion Dawkins of the Buffalo Bills. Funny, funny guys coming by. Left tackle. Great one. Jordan Schultz stopping by. Mike Vrabel, Jets. Don't poo poo that just yet. J Mac. Cowherd is to college football recruiting as I am to college basketball gambling. How about the 40 last night? You get those on Instagram? I put them out there. Dude, you are. I've said I've told friends, degenerate. But still, I've told friends you are as good on college basketball, Creighton basketball as anybody in the history of the industry. Wish I had Creighton last night. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Now here's the kicker. The PayPal debit card earns you 5% cash back in a monthly category of your Choice. Up to $1,000 of monthly purchases. So groceries, health and beauty, gas, apparel, restaurants. On top of that, you can get cash back offers within the app from brands like Doordash, Instacart, Sephora. This month it's all about that apparel. I got a crazy schedule. I shop online a lot, Snag a suit here or there, fresh gear 5% cash back adds up fast and signing up is easy. 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