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Colin Cowherd
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Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now, let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Monday and we are live. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mack. It was a wild weekend tonight. By the way, Ohtani is pitching tonight, which is unbelievable. Also tonight, the Indiana Pacers play okc. Now that's let's. I know we'll have a Scott Foster segment. You're all worked up about that. But I gotta tell you, so. So yesterday the US Open didn't have a lot of juice again for die hard golfers. They think it's great, but most people don't know who these guys are. Um, but I gotta tell you something. The Caitlin Clark yesterday, 38 seconds. Caitlin Clark in 38 seconds. I don't know what second place is. That's the greatest 38 seconds in WNBA history. A mesmerizing 38 seconds. A 33 footer, a 31 footer, a 27 footer. The WNBA three point arc is 22ft. It felt like you were watching history. And I'm not overstating it. Kobe's 81 point game, Michael Jordan switching hands, Reggie Jackson with three home runs on three pitches in the 1977 World Series against the Dodgers. It felt like I was watching history. Yeah, I know LeBron's block was the NBA Finals, but it's interesting that you don't realize how much you miss people until they're gone. So Caitlin Clark had played high school every week and college every game, and the WNBA every game. And then she misses five games and the ratings plummet 55% league wide. Like, it's like Saturday Night Live when they don't have a big star on. Maybe I'll catch a clip, not the show. She comes back, Caitlin Clark Kent, the woman of steel. She was calling for the ball. And right now I'm sitting there watching it and I felt like, what in the look of these shots? What in the world am I watching? 33, 31 and 27ft. And you know what was funny is SGA and Ant Edwards. The NBA is trying to peg some young guys as face of the league. They had ANT and SGA play in the Western conference finals and it had the lowest rating in four years. They're trying. You say, well, the markets are small. Well, Caitlin Clark plays for the Indiana Fever. What does that matter? This goes to show that markets do not matter. That's all nonsense. SGF, LeBron James. When LeBron James was in Cleveland, we never said, well, the ratings are great. It's amazing. It's in Cleveland. Stars transcend state lines. Right now, she's the biggest basketball star in the world. Not named LeBron. And Steph, she's bigger than Jokic, she's bigger than SGA, she's bigger than Halliburton in Indiana for a terrible team a year ago. But it was a remarkable thing to watch and she's got a little flash to it. That helps. She's totally unique and totally transcendent. But I'm watching live on television and my takeaway is, oh, this is one of those, like once every two or three years, like when LeBron made that block in the finals, you're like, oh, that's going to be an all time play. Or Michael Jordan switches hands. I didn't see Kobe Live with 81, but if you did, it probably felt like this. But I did see Reggie Jackson in 77, 3 pitchers, 3 pitches, 97, 77 against the Dodgers home runs. I know it's the World Series. That is the greatest 38 seconds and the greatest stretch what we watch this weekend in WNBA history. The league is 25, 26, 27 years old. However it is, that's the greatest moment. I don't care about championships. Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, I don't care. That was the greatest moment in league history. Like other players, when you're watching a sport and you're like, whoa, whoa. I mean, look at the depth on these shots. Look at the. It doesn't even look. If you were Steph Curry, you'd be going crazy. Look at that, that. It feels like a half court shot. Look at this stuff. 55% ratings loss when she left. She's back. I don't know what the number is for that. I would guess it's a season high ratings. Here's Caitlin Clark after I felt good and then I took one in transition. That's kind of like where I like to get to early. And so it's good to see the ball go through the hoop. And then I came down and shot another one. Then I came down and shot another one and saw Three in a row go in. So that gives you a lot of confidence. And even in the second half, I thought I felt like they all came off my hand feeling really good. So, like, that's what you can find confidence in as a scorer and as a shooter. Okay. The other thing this weekend that jumped out to me, and again, it wasn't the US Open. I know all you diehard golfers, you experts on golfs, you just had a great time watching that rain delay. Let's be honest, the Tiger, Rocco mediate, they put on television during the rain delay. And Caitlin was far more interesting. You're not going to admit it because you're a great golfer and a four handicap, but it didn't have a lot of juice. The other thing that was interesting over the last four or five days is the best soccer player in the history of our country is Christian Pulisic. It's. Don't argue it. You don't have to be a soccer expert. Turn the sound down. Watch. He's our LeBron. He's our MJ. He's our Magic. It's just different looking. If you take him out, we just don't look as good. And there's a bunch of guys missing from the Gold Cup. But I have been on Team Pulisic because he decided not to play the Gold Cup. He wanted to play in a couple of the friendlies, but Mauricio Puccino, the manager, and I'll get to this in a second, said, nah, now we're not going to do that. You're all in or you're all out. But here's why I am for Christian Pulisic. And again, Team USA won. As J. Mack said, settle down, they'll win. They did five nothing over Trinidad Tobago. Okay, fine. But as I talked about last week for soccer players, what I basically, if you're the best soccer player in the world, you're our LeBron. What does LeBron do? He gets paid in the WNBA and then he plays in the Olympics. Did Lebron. Did he play in the recent FIBA World Championships? No, he didn't. And this is the equivalent, the Gold cup to the FIBA World Championships in basketball. Did Jokic play in those? No, he didn't play in those either. Jokic makes his money here in America in the NBA, and then he goes and plays in the Olympics. And LeBron James makes his money in the NBA and then he goes and plays in the Olympics. Do you know who we, as America sent to the FIBA World Championships? The equivalent of this. Josh Hart, Cam Johnson. A young Tyrese Halliburton, that, that's who we said. Walker Kessler, Bobby Portis, that's who he said Jalen Brunson, Von Carroll was like 20. This is the Gold Cup. That's what it is. And we have to be fair about this. If you're anti Pulisic, he's not supporting America. Do you think LeBron doesn't support America? Yeah, he does. He ran the NBA for 15 years and he goes to the Olympics now. Steph Curry didn't get to the Olympics till later because he was dominating the league and he was winning championships. But that's all this is basically. Christian Pulisic is taking the NBA model. And by the way, the two most global sports are not baseball, are not football or not hockey. They're soccer and basketball. In soccer and basketball. And now forever the best Europeans come over here to play. Now our best soccer, because that's where the best basketball is. Now our best soccer players are good enough to go to AC Milan and be first or second in scoring for their team and dominate. And so all Pulisic is doing, he's following the basketball model. If Jokic and LeBron aren't going to play in the FIBA World Championships, why in the world am I playing in the Gold Cup? Small crowds, second tier teams. I mean, we win five nothing. We didn't have our best seven players and we won five nothing. So I am team Pulisic on this. Now. I also, Landon Donovan talked about this. I also do believe that we have a new coach and the new coach has to send a message. So when Pulisic says, hey, I'll come over and play a couple friendlies, but I don't want to play in the Gold Cup, I'm exhausted. I played 50 games in AC Milan and here was Landon Noneman on that. He had to address it. He, I think was ready to move on. He wanted to move on, guys. But then your best player and one of the leaders on your team does an interview publicly and says, I wanted to go, but the coach wouldn't let me and the coach didn't want me there. He had to stand up for himself. One, to send a message to Christian, two, to send a message to the team and the pool, but also for himself. You cannot be the coach that gets walked on by your star player. So for his future, everybody's paying attention. People are going to possibly hire him moving. He can't just let his best player walk all over him like that. He had to respond, yes, totally agree. But if you Are the best in America at anything. Whatever your chosen field is in America, if you're the very best in pulisicas and soccer, you gotta make choices. Cash and country, FIBA World Basketball Championship. That's not going to make the cut. The Gold Cup. I liked watching it, but we don't have our six best players. We won five nothing. I'm going to defend. I'm on team Pulisic here. All right, J Mac, I watching Scott Foster and the reaction. I just stayed away from this nonsense. But I am. I'm also team Scott Foster.
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Jason McIntyre
So the show's off to a great start, right? We got Caitlin Clark. Phenomenal.
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Colin Cowherd
Did you watch that? Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
My daughter who's a basketball player, sometimes we're just like in awe. So I mean she just. We were going to go out to lunch and we had to wait until it was halftime because Caitlin Clark was on fire. I mean we had 25 and a half but you know, Caitlin Clark goes off, you talk soccer and now you want to go to Scott Foster. Do you know how much of a gut punch the non cover was? I had plus six. I'm feeling great all game. They're up four with three minutes left and it fell apart. That was a brutal gambling beat.
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Colin Cowherd
And I will say this though, remember the Warriors LeBron Cavs final when the Cavs won in seven. Yes. It was six blowouts in a great final game this series. Nobody's watching but the games have been. Three of the four games have been absolutely fantastic. That was a great basketball game. But it doesn't feel as big. There's not. It's like the US Open yesterday when you don't know the. It doesn't feel as big.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Jason McIntyre
Are you going to get Scott Foster the push off by SGA and then the travel on like the gate. The shot to put them up with like 2 minutes left. Are you. You going to talk about that or.
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Colin Cowherd
Well. Well, we'll talk about that. I also. There was a. There was an NBA deal yesterday and people are freaking out and I want to address that coming up. Don't forget Colin. Right, Colin. Wrong. Top of our number two in Chicago, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken Parm delivered. A day at the lake. That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan. Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? 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Nmlsconsumeraccess.org Number 3030 $178,000 Average equity is based on internal Rocket mortgage servicing data. Oh, there was actually a big trade yesterday. You know one of our favorite things, we talked about this last week with the Indiana Pacers who play OKC tonight. Series tied at two, each team's one on the other floor. I'm still not sure who the best team is. It's my kind of NBA Finals OKC favorite tonight. I'd probably take them at home, but I love the Pacers. So the Pacers sort of snuck up on us, right? You're like oh man, where did they come from? Well, the team that's going to do that I think next year is the Orlando Magic. And we talked about it earlier this year, we said in the playoffs we said keep your eye on Orlando. Bankaro Bankero is a great player. Jalen Suggs, Franz Wagner is going to be an all star and they made a deal yesterday with Memphis and they ended up getting Desmond Bain who can shoot the three. Not much of a defender. But now they have their four guys and so they gave up a bunch of first round picks, like three or four first round picks. Everybody freaked out. This is not the NFL where you get 23 year olds. These first round picks with Memphis are all going to be low first round picks. So the bottom line is in a hyper aggressive league that rewards people like Toronto who went out and got Kawhi Leonard or the Lakers who were aggressive to get Pau Gasol and Shaq or the warriors who were aggressive to go out after winning a title and get kd, that's this league. Aggressive wins now aggressive Westbrook with the Lakers and LeBron doesn't always win But I would always back the team that was aggressive. So this is not the NFL. Draft picks do not mean the same. You have a lower hit rate, especially lower first round. I mean, in the NFL you can get Puka Nakua in the fifth round, you can get Brock Purdy in the seventh. That stuff happens all the time in the NBA. You run out of players by about the 12th pick many years. So my take is these are going to be low first rounders. But there's two things that happen with this trade. Number one is Memphis signaled we're rebooting. We're getting rid of Desmond Bain. We don't trust John Morant. Ja Morant's always hurt. He's always been fool's gold in my opinion. But maturity issues, you can't rely on him. Last three years he's worse. He's missed half the games and his shooting percentage has gone down. So by trading him, they're rebooting. Yeah, that's a call. And was right. I never bought into John Moran. Is Desmond Bain a good player? Absolutely. He can hit a three. He's aggressive, he's big, he's strong. Not much of a defender, but he can hit the three. And what me, what, what, What Orlando is saying is, hey, look at Indiana. Bancaro is better than anybody potentially on Indiana. Can. Can Wagner be as, as good as Pascal Siakam? Why not us? I think Orlando's looking at these finals and looking at the Pacers and saying, Milwaukee, Tatum's hurt for Boston. New York's got a ceiling offensively, why not us? So I love the move by Orlando. Now they've got their core four. Suggs, who had a rocky start from Gonzaga, is now a nice player, tough defender, can hit a three. And again, Desmond Bain is going to give you 19, 20, 21. From the tougher west to the weaker east, he could average 22 a game. Gives them a little maturity and a little age on a very young team. But I actually like the move there. And I also think I've been on this for years. There are certain players in the NBA, overwhelmingly small, hyper, athletic guards that everybody falls in love with. I didn't fall. I didn't buy into John Wall or Early Westbrook or Derrick Rose or Stephon Marbury or John Moran. If you can't shoot as a small player, then you have to score at the rim and you're going to get hurt. And I said before, John Morant, he's a lesser version, a thinner version, a smaller version of Derrick Rose, who I thought was Wildly great for highlights and really good. But then you remember Derrick Rose for the Bulls taking on LeBron? Remember that? I think LeBron was at Cleveland at that time. And LeBron saying in the fourth quarter, I'm going to shut him down. Bigger, stronger LeBron did. This league is overwhelmingly won by bigs and unbelievable wings. Not my small guys who are hyper, athletic and can't shoot. So I never bought into the John Morant stuff. I'd like him as my 2 or my 3, but I can't build around him. And Memphis finally acknowledging, yeah, we can't build around him either. But don't worry about the draft picks. Yeah, I don't love giving up, like four first rounders, but Orlando is going to be a top five, six team in the league, so they're going to be Indiana. So those picks at the bottom of the first round don't mean a ton. And Bane's a real player in Orlando. We watched them in the playoffs this year and didn't we? We said it on this show during, during the series. We're like, oh, you. You don't want to play Orlando. If they get another guy or if they mature, they have a chance to be Indiana next year. Especially now with Desmond Bane. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.
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Jason McIntyre
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news. Remember that series? And we were surprised how this young Orlando team was like, pushing back and the games were competitive when Boston had been an unbelievable team all regular season. And we, we. You and I kept saying, like, Detroit gave the Knicks trouble. We're like, okay, Cunningham's a real deal and Orlando's out there against the Celtics. And we're like, how are these games close now? They just added a guy that could be an All Star or a borderline All Star. It.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, basically this is the Mikhail Bridges trade that the Knicks did.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Jason McIntyre
Bridges had not been an All Star, but he fetched five firsts and he's valuable. I think this. I'm with you. I think the Bane is huge in Orlando. Remember, Suggs is a great defender. They got two tough defensive guards. Man, I love that move. All right, let's get started. Micah Parsons, obviously still seeking a new contract, but at the same time, so are Trey Hendrickson and T.J. watt. It's almost like a standoff because whoever goes first, then the next guy just going to get a little bit more and the next guy will get a little bit more than that. So it's weird, but Parsons says the longer it goes that the more it's Going to cost Dallas. And if you look at the highest paid non quarterbacks in the league, I mean, are you giving Micah Parsons more than Jamar Chase? I'm not, I'm not doing that now. Dallas, I guess they're going to.
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Colin Cowherd
Jason, I think what is happening, I'm going to this. I'm projecting this. I don't know if it's happening, but it feels like it. We've always viewed edge rushers as gold bars and I do think Miles Garrett is one of one. But I think the Steelers are looking and saying we're already paying the most for defense and we got to pay 45 million for TJ Watt. And I think Hendrickson for Cincinnati, though I would sign him. I think they're looking at him and then I think Dallas is looking at Micah Parsons. And the truth is the guys that really dominate the defensive line are Jalen Carter, Chris Jones and Aaron Donald. They're interior defensive linemen and those are much more rare body types when you get a 340 pound, 330 pound guy with good feet. Reggie White, Aaron Donald, Chris Jones. I don't know how much Chris weighs, but I. But I think Jalen Carter walks into the NFL and everybody's like, that's what we need. And the draft gives you maybe one of those every other year. So think about this, think about scarcity. You're going to ultimately pay Jason in any field for scarcity. If something's great, great quarterbacks, you average about one a draft. Unbelievable. Dominating Chris Jones, Jalen Carter, defensive lineman, interior, about one maybe a draft. Edge rushers, although not wide receivers, there's more of them. College football's giving you four to five to six edge rushers annually that can play very quickly. And so I feel like, I kind of feel like, I mean, Max Crosby got his and because they don't have an offense, he's really valuable. But I think Cincinnati looks at Joe Burrow and their offense and says, can we draft a Hendrickson? And I do wonder with Michael Parsons if Dallas is saying, I don't know if we're paying CD and Dak, can we pay? I'm not saying they don't have value, but there isn't a scarcity for edge rusher as there is for Jalen Carter.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I know it sounds tough, but the Boston Red Sox back in the day for Moneyball were like, we can't afford this guy. Can we recreate him in the aggregate with three guys who have a similar skill set?
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Colin Cowherd
So you're right.
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Jason McIntyre
If you can get a Defensive tackle, hard to find, right. 330 pounds. Moves that jumps out of a swimming pool like incredible athletes. And we just get three edge rushers. Can three edge rushers do what Micah Parsons is doing? If you rotate him. And remember the Niners a few years ago had that strategy with Robert Sala. We're just going to have four edge rushers just coming at the quarterback all the time.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, just look at the NFC West. Jared Verse now edge rusher dominant. Bosa dominant. I mean, just in that division, you have two guys. I mean, you start looking at the pass rushers. Arizona had Chandler Jones for a while. You start looking at a lot of these edge rushers. It feels like the Chargers had Bosa and Khalil Mack. It's very. What team has two great interior defensive linemen? But there are teams with multiple pass rushers from the edge because the body types not, you know, it's not as unique. So I do. I think when I. Like I said this about TJ Watt, People think it's crazy. He's 31. You want to pay him 45 million a year? I think I can find 75% of him on the market or in the draft. You can't find Jalen Carter in a draft. He's like, once he's the best interior lineman since Chris Jones.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, we're getting to the point maybe in all the three big sports where it's like, hey, do we want Kevin Durant at 50 mil, or can we get like three guys to total 50 mil? Like what the Pacers and Thunder have to, you know, to basically recreate a Kevin Durant. And I. You and I have been on this. I would have moved off Michael Parsons. I would have traded him. I know that sounds sacrilegious, but now you're gonna. He wants $40 million a year, Colin. I. I don't see how that gets Dallas any better at all. Anyways, next story is. This is a dubious one, but Travis Kelsey, we know he had a brutal playoff run, the worst season of his career. Well, guess what. This off season, he has lost 25 pounds. That's an estimate. Last season, Kelsey was listed at 250, and he had a brutal year. Now they're saying he's down to 225. I didn't see the word ozempic in any of the stories, so maybe this is au natural. But with his travel schedule, you know, I mean, you. You look online, he's in a different city every night, living it up, going to events, eating really nice. Dinners with Taylor Swift. I don't see how this is possible, but you're a bond vivant yourself. Maybe, maybe you could tell me about how you somehow lose 25 pounds while traveling and eating dinner every night.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think what's happened is he's, you know, he's telling last year he wore out at the end of the season. He wants to be, you know, Lamar Jackson did this. Remember last year Lamar showed up and we're like did that dude lose weight? Lamar lost weight. Lamar's like I want to be faster. I think Travis Kelce looked at his film and said I've lost speed. And that was my, that was really his secret sauce. It wasn't. He was a good blocker, he had good hands but he was never as big as Gronk. What he was was a guy that you couldn't defend him. He had speed, he beat guys down the field and that relationship with Mahomes and I think he looked at himself, thought I have lost a step. How do I get it back? You get it back by losing weight. Lamar Jackson did this. We don't love that Lamar Jackson is lighter but Lamar watched this film and said listen, I know what I am, right? Like I, I'm not Brady from the pocket, I'm okay. But what I am is the fastest quarterback ever. I lost a step or I don't feel like quite have the burst, I'm going to come in thinner. So I think that's what it is.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it feels like isn't that every human being on planet earth? Hey, I gained some weight, I'm slowing down, let me drop some weight. So yeah, and I'll believe it when I see it. Final story is this gentleman named Shador Sanders the fourth string quarterback in Cleveland. Yet here we are doing a big story on it because according to a report Shadour made an impression Colin which could could give him momentum heading into next month. The report adds the plans for the Browns quarterback situation is they want all of them to practice different throws in different situations. And guess what Colin, They've answered the bell including Shador who put the ball into some tight windows and threw with some aggressiveness. I'll let you just wax poetic and greatness of Shedeur Sanders.
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Colin Cowherd
Well he was historically accurate in college and now he has had the greatest minicamp ota in NFL history. So I said this last week when a quarterback's college skill set translates and you can see it very quickly, that impresses me because a lot of times it doesn't you think oh Tim, Tebow super athletic for college. Tim Tebow is a marginal tight end level athlete in the NFL. Right? Johnny Manziel. Oh my God, he's so athletic. Oh, no, that was college, not the NFL. But if you watch Lamar Jackson or Steve Young when I was younger, and you're like, Steve Young ran around for byu and then you watch the NFL and you're like, oh, he makes guys miss in the NFL. Shedeur was 74% in college. 77, 78%. He may not be a great NFL quarterback, but what he does well is translate. So that's something to lean on.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm going to get on our graphics staff to make sure that they put like an asterisk by all his numbers. And then below they need to say versus backups. Right. Second string guys who are working out during the day and delivering doordash at night. That's who Shador is torching in this minicamp. Let's just settle down. Dylan Gabriel is facing the ones. Kenny Pickett, your guy is facing the one. So I'm not gonna freak out, but you are welcome to.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. So I, I have to set this up, so I want to set this story up. So J. Mack, as he eloquently put it, had Indiana in the points. And so for anybody that did on Friday, it was a pretty gutting loss, whatever. But I. My premise on officials is that athletes are bigger and faster than ever. And the NBA, I mean, look at baseball's acknowledging now we're just going to do robots at home plate. There's. There's greater consequences, there's more money. So ask yourself, what is the toughest call for an NFL official to make? And I think most of us would, would, would agree it's pass interference. I mean, there's always contact. It's like, what level of grabbing and clutching and contact will you allow? There's grabbing and clutching on every ball down the sideline. It's just a matter of the discretion of the official. So I've always said at the highest level, like the NBA, basketball is incredibly difficult to officiate. And consider this. During the playoffs, when the league historically is always swallowed the whistle, fans can't quite wrap their arms around. I watched this then and this now, and it doesn't feel right. And so if you end up officiating in World Cups or Super Bowls or the World Series or the NBA Finals, you are viewed by the league as somebody that can handle It. So the reason Scott Foster is often a target of criticism is because he officiates the biggest games. Yes. Scott Foster honestly feels like one of those character actors. I can't name him, but I've seen him all the time. Right. And so Foster makes a call and people freak out. But I just want to give you a reminder. SGA is 6, 6 and a buck 95. He's not a powerful player. So on this move that's working you up, he does not have LeBron strength. What happens is if you watch it, that he did give him a nudge, but that the Pacer player Naismith tripped over his feet, making it look like a significantly botched call. If you watch it again, Naismith falls over his feet. I'm sorry. Naismith weighs 15 pounds more than SGA. SGA is a string bean by pro athlete standards. Six' six, 195. This looks worse because he trips now. It's a go either way call. It is. And I know you didn't like it and most people didn't if it was called, fine. But I want to remind you of this. What's one of the most iconic plays of all time in the NBA? I would say Michael Jordan over a Brian Russell of the Utah Jazz. Remember that? This is arguably a top five most iconic play ever. Oh, that's interesting. Would you rather not have that count? Oh, you love that play. So in that play, like the SGA Naismith play, Russell gets ahead of himself, loses balance. So it looks like Jordan with a left hand shoves a 200 pound athlete out of the way. He never did. Russell bit on the Michael move, full steam ahead, leaning Michael with a gentle touch to the left hand. And it looks like he shoved him. Michael was strong. He's not that strong. Okay. And remember Kevin Durant and LeBron had a similar situation years ago. Do you remember this on the baseline? Oh, they didn't call that either. Isn't that interesting? So they didn't call this. Remember this? You guys all freaked out. And I said at the time, Durant's leaning, making it look like he got butchered. He didn't. And SGA pushing Naismith. It's not as bad as you think. Brian Russell and Michael Jordan, these are all time plays. And what's the consistent part of all three plays? NBA Finals, NBA refs. Let them play all our Finals. All her stars and the referees, as I've been saying for years, let stars play. That's why they put Scott Foster in these moments. Let them Play. You look at that. Jordan, Brian, Russell play. You'd think Michael grabbed a wheelbarrow, put him in it and shoved him. Russell's headlong flying wasn't a foul. Michael's using his hand. You're not going to call that. You're not the SGA thing. He's 661-9. Five of the amazing things that SGA has, being forceful and powerful is not one of them. So if you're totally honest, look at Nathan's feet. He trips. He falls over his own feet because of the momentum. Watch his feet. Oh, it's a shove. SGA can't shove a guy that's 15 pounds heavier. Watch. Watch his feet. He trips over SGA's feet. It makes it look awful. So again, if you didn't have the Pacers plus six, like I get, people are upset, but this whole thing about Scott Foster, the league's out to get him. Scott Foster is, is the official in the NFL that ends up in conference championship and Super Bowls. He's good at what he does. Here's Rick Carlisle defending him. As far as officiating, I think, I think it's awful what some of the things I've seen about, about the officiating and Scott Foster in particular. I've known Scott Foster for 30 years. He's a great official. He's done a great job in these playoffs. We've had him a lot of times. And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown out there is terrible and unfair and unjust and stupid. LeBron, KD, SGA, Michael Jordan, they swallow the whistle. That's just that. You just get that a lot. They're going to swallow the whistle. By the way, the story of this game, and I watched every basket like you was in the final three minutes. Oklahoma City. And they're all NBA defensive level guys, played unbelievable suffocating defense. And you know what? OKC played like their season was on the line. Oh, wait, it was. We know that athletes play different in different situations and that urgency ebbs and flows. Oklahoma City's defense was historically great and for that three minutes, it was incredible. I felt like I was watching Mahomes against the Eagles pass rush. Indy could not get a shot. Indy's a great team. They could not generate offense motion. There were blocks, there were steals. Yeah, you don't have to love that call by Scott Foster. If you're honest and YouTube it and go back to the last three minutes, look at the defensive intensity of Oklahoma City. It was, it was all these guys who at the regular season we kept saying, is this the best defensive team ever? And Oklahoma City had solved that riddle. For parts of this series, especially this young team on the road, the final three minutes were art. It was. It was man to man coverage with two Pro bowl corners and a pass rush Indy couldn't. I think Indy had an air ball at one point. Colin, right? Colin wrong. Top of next hour. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. 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Jason McIntyre
Sunday, Alex Mallow looks to continue his legendary season at Road America while the rest of the pack battle for the checkered flag. The Indy Car series Sunday at 1:30 Eastern on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
So there was, you know, for years and years I talked about you have to send a message. You would never as a sports fan, you would never go to a restaurant if service and the food was bad two or three straight times. Even if you love the restaurant, if it got worse, you'd stop going. You'd never go to a car dealership if they sold you two lemons. But in sports, there's this sort of kind of weird loyalty thing where you send messages all the time to your ownership, which is it doesn't matter what the product is. I'm going to go to the games. And the Boston Red Sox are number one in baseball in, in profit margin. I think they're number like four in revenue. But they're the most profitable team, even more profitable than the Dodgers. And so the message the Red Sox fans send, even though they're not World Series viable, I mean, they don't, they're not close to the Dodgers, they're not as good as the Yankees. I don't think they're as well run as the Braves. But the message is our place seats about 36,5. And you know, we put about 34,000 in regardless if you trade Mookie Bets or not. And so 87% capacity for every home game since 2025, that's, that's near the top of Major League Baseball. And so yesterday they make a big deal. Rafael Devers, one Of the top 1015 hitters in baseball and he gets traded. Now, first of all, he's a lot of maintenance. He threatened, reportedly threatened to ask for a trade in spring training. He doesn't want to play first base. They needed him to play first base. So he and the manager did not get along. Alex Cora, he was not long for the room. He's got a huge contract. And so eventually they made a trade yesterday. And like the Nico Harrison Mavs, Lakers Trade. The feeling in Boston is we didn't get enough. I'm not a baseball America guy, so I don't know if you got enough. Most people say you didn't get enough and that's fine. A lot of our baseball reporters you could follow on that. But the bottom line is the owner John Henry has added to his portfolio since he bought the Red Sox, Liverpool, and Liverpool is not profitable right now. And they need to add a star. There's a German star out there they want to sign for $150 million. So the messaging, you know, it could be a line item for John Henry. He's looking at it, thinking, I still almost sell out Boston. There's in the summer, Celtic season's over, Patriots camp hasn't started. It's Boston. Fenway's legendary and people mostly pack it and we got a bunch of farmhands and some are pretty good, some are okay. And we're just going to keep doing this. So what's the message? Fenway will be mostly full Liverpool, which isn't profitable. But by the way, Liverpool's probably worth, if it was on the market, six to seven billion dollars. And the Red Sox probably on the market because baseball isn't growing like the English Premier League. It would probably be worth 4 billion. So he has Liverpool, which by the way, to show you how Liverpool is growing, LeBron James in 2011 bought a 2% stake of Liverpool for six and a half million bucks. That's now worth $100 million. So the bottom line is those Premier League teams are exploding in value. So John Henry looks at that and goes, in my portfolio, I see I've got RFK Racing and I've got Liverpool and I've got the Red Sox. The one that's exploding is Liverpool and they're not nearly as profitable yet. And the Red Sox are profitable, win or lose. So the message Red Sox fans are sending is it doesn't matter. I mean, they got fleeced in the Mookie Betts deal. You still went to the games. If you want to make a difference as a sports fan, then don't go to the restaurant after four bad meals. Don't buy a car from a car lot that gave you back to back lemons. That's not on the Red Sox, that you're sending a message that it doesn't matter. Well, what are you going to do tonight? Let's go to the. Let's go to Fenway Park. Don't go to the beach, go to whatever you do in Boston. Have a bowl of Chowder, whatever you do, do it. But I, I did. I'm sitting there. John Henry keeps building up this portfolio and he's like, okay, Liverpool is going to be worth 7 billion if I ever wanted to sell it, which they probably won't. The Red Sox are worth a little more than half. And the Red Sox are already number one in profit. And all you do is complain about the Red Sox, but they're number one in profit more than the Dodgers. So, you know, he's looking at it going, all right. I mean, well, we won't be as good with this guy. But he didn't. My manager didn't like him. My GM was sitting there. I don't like Devers. He drives me nuts. He is a top 15 hitter. So the Giants got a great player, but gave up some good farmhands. So I think there's messages you can send. And I, well, if I give up my Red Sox tickets, I'll never get him back. Nonsense. That's nonsense. I can get great tickets. You can get great tickets on any seat app you want tomorrow. And who goes to every game at home? It's 81 home games. Nobody's going to all the games anyway. So you can, you can yell and you can scream, but the messaging by fans is, it doesn't matter. 87, 90% full Anyway, it doesn't matter. And this guy threatened. He was threatening. He wanted to be traded in spring training with a huge contract, so it wasn't long for the organization. Like the Luca deal. I get the move. You probably shouldn't. Should have gotten more. If you're the Dallas Mavericks, you know, the baseball people are saying you should have gotten more. It's all about messaging. What message are you sending the owner? You keep filling the stadium. All these owners now these domestic owners, they. They're. They're owning stuff overseas. They're owning. I mean, you got players in America like LeBron owning some of these Premier League teams. What's the message you send? You do have power. Collectively, you have to use it. Which I know isn't a popular answer, but, you know, I've been to Fenway a few times. It's packed regardless of the team. J. Mac calling. Right. Colin? Wrong. Top of the hour. So I defended Scott Foster.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I saw that.
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Colin Cowherd
And the owner of the Red Sox, two very popular pitchers. Opinions.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I'm out on the, I don't know, the Red Sox stuff. I haven't read as much on that trade. But the Scott Foster thing, you kept saying, look at Nisha's feet. Look at his feet. Look at the arm. The push off by the rulebook. Extending the arm is an offensive foul. It should have been called. It's undeniable. But I gotta listen. I gotta give Mark Dagnall credit. He made a great adjustment late. Did you notice he had a two man game between JDUB and SGA and that got Nemhard off SGA. SGA goes for like 15 points in the fourth quarter. It was a smart move. Pacers didn't have a counter in time. I think series is over. I don't think Pacers could come back.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, we keep saying that. And by the way, if that would have been called, I wouldn't have been bothered by it. What I'm saying is the fact that it wasn't called. Go back to MJ and Russell. Go back to LeBron and Durant. We have a history in the finals of whistle swallowing often with stars 38 they don't want. Yeah, well, but it's. It's at least it's consistent. Let him play you two clips. We brought you the clips.
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Jason McIntyre
Let them play cowherd. Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
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