Hour 1 - The Warriors are in trouble

Summary

Episode Summary: Hour 1 - The Warriors are in Trouble

Release Date: April 24, 2025
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Host: Colin Cowherd
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Introduction to the NBA Playoffs and Warriors' Predicament

The episode kicks off with host Colin Cowherd diving straight into the NBA playoffs, highlighting the significant challenges facing the Golden State Warriors. The Warriors, once a dominant force, find themselves in a precarious position due to recent developments in their playoff series.

Key Points:

• Warriors vs. Rockets Series: Colin discusses the shift in dynamics of the Warriors' playoff series against the Houston Rockets. Initially expected to be a favorable matchup for Houston, the series took an unexpected turn with the Rockets' physical and aggressive playstyle.

• Impact of Jimmy Butler's Injury: A central theme is the injury of Jimmy Butler, a pivotal player for the Warriors. Colin emphasizes that Butler's absence severely limits the Warriors' offensive and defensive capabilities.

Notable Quote:

"If they're saying Butler's out for the next two games, the series is over." — Colin Cowherd [05:10]

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2. Officiating and Its Influence on the Playoffs

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the role of NBA officials in the playoffs. Colin asserts that referees have been allowing more physical play from teams like Houston, which adversely affects teams like the Warriors.

Key Points:

• Referees' Leniency: Colin points out that the NBA has been more lenient with calls, leading to increased physicality on the court. This leniency benefits deeper and more physically robust teams like Houston.

• Comparison with Other Teams: Teams such as the Celtics, Rockets, Cavaliers, and Oklahoma City Thunder benefit from the current officiating trends due to their depth and athleticism.

Notable Quote:

"The NBA officials are swallowing the whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate in NBA playoff history." — Colin Cowherd [06:00]

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3. Analyzing the Warriors' Roster and Depth

Colin delves into the Warriors' roster limitations, stressing the lack of depth beyond Steph Curry. The dependency on Curry becomes a critical vulnerability, especially when targeted by opposing defenses.

Key Points:

• Steph Curry's Central Role: With Jimmy Butler injured, Curry becomes the sole consistent scorer, making the Warriors overly reliant on him.

• Lack of Versatility: The absence of other reliable scorers forces opponents to focus their defense solely on Curry, further crippling the Warriors' offensive options.

Notable Quote:

"The Warriors have been reduced to Steph Skirt. Steph Curry scores 40 points or we lose." — Colin Cowherd [07:20]

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4. Shadore Sanders and the NFL Draft Speculations

Transitioning from basketball to football, Colin and co-host Jason McIntyre discuss the NFL Draft, particularly focusing on quarterback prospects like Shadore Sanders. The conversation highlights uncertainties surrounding Sanders' draft position and potential team fits.

Key Points:

• Draft Position Concerns: Sanders is projected to slide to the 21st pick, raising questions about his current performance and draft stock.

• Preferred Team Fit: Colin expresses a preference for Sanders landing with the Pittsburgh Steelers over other franchises like Cleveland or the Giants, citing factors like ownership stability and roster composition.

Notable Quote:

"I would rather go to Pittsburgh at 21 than Cleveland or the Giants with a second or third pick." — Jason McIntyre [14:30]

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5. Ownership and Management in NFL Franchises

The discussion shifts to scrutinizing NFL team ownership and management, particularly criticizing the New York Giants' prolonged struggles and poor leadership decisions.

Key Points:

• Giants' Organizational Issues: Colin criticizes the Giants for their lackluster performance over the past decade, attributing the struggles to unstable ownership and poor management decisions rather than player performance alone.

• Comparison with Other Franchises: The Steelers are discussed as relatively stable, though not without their own issues. Colin emphasizes that only a handful of NFL teams operate efficiently without internal dysfunction.

Notable Quote:

"The Giants have one playoff win in 10 years. That's ownership. You can't keep blaming the players and the coaches." — Jason McIntyre [47:30]

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6. Mock Draft and Predictions

As the episode progresses, Colin announces his upcoming mock draft predictions, anticipating a weak draft year with notable players like Travis Hunter, Cam Ward, and Ashton Gentry emerging as potential stars despite the overall low class strength.

Key Points:

• Starless Draft Concerns: Colin anticipates a draft class lacking in standout talents, making strategic picks like Travis Hunter crucial for rebuilding teams.

• Trade Speculations: Discussions include potential trades involving top prospects, with teams like Jacksonville and the Cowboys showing interest in moving up for high-value players.

Notable Quote:

"There are a lot of Travis Hunter love. It is a starless draft and Travis Hunter, Cam Ward, and Ashton Gentry are stars in a starless draft." — Jason McIntyre [40:00]

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7. Final Thoughts on the Warriors and Playoff Outlook

Concluding the episode, Colin reiterates the precarious situation of the Warriors in the playoffs. Without Jimmy Butler, the Warriors face a high likelihood of elimination unless Curry can single-handedly carry the team.

Key Points:

• Series Conclusion: Colin predicts that with Butler sidelined, the Warriors are likely to lose the series against Houston, especially given the Rockets' physical advantage and depth.

• Steph Curry's Performance: The reliance on Curry to dominate offensively is seen as the Warriors' last hope, but it's deemed insufficient against a well-prepared Rockets team.

Notable Quote:

"Curry scores 40 points or we lose." — Colin Cowherd [07:20]

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8. Closing Remarks and Advertisements

The episode wraps up with standard advertisements and promotional content, including sponsorship messages from Capital One, DraftKings, Rocket Mortgage, Paycor, Mint Mobile, BMW, Uber Eats, and Green River Whiskey. These segments are seamlessly integrated into the conversation but are omitted from the summary as per request.

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Key Insights and Conclusions

• Warriors' Vulnerability: The Warriors' dependence on Steph Curry and the loss of Jimmy Butler significantly weaken their playoff prospects, making them susceptible to elimination by deeper and more physically aggressive teams like the Rockets.

• Officiating Impact: The leniency of NBA referees towards physical play disproportionately benefits teams with greater depth and athleticism, putting teams like the Warriors at a further disadvantage.

• Draft Uncertainties: The upcoming NFL Draft poses challenges with a potentially weak quarterback class, complicating team strategies and prospects’ career trajectories.

• Organizational Stability Matters: Successful franchises, whether in the NBA or NFL, rely heavily on stable and competent ownership and management. Teams struggling with internal issues, like the Giants, are less likely to perform consistently well despite player talent.

• Mock Draft Predictions: Colin and Jason’s mock draft predictions highlight the importance of strategic drafting in rebuilding teams, especially in a weaker draft class where standout talents are scarce.

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This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd provides an in-depth analysis of the Golden State Warriors' struggles in the NBA playoffs, the influence of officiating on game outcomes, and broader discussions on NFL draft prospects and team management. The hosts offer critical insights into how organizational stability and player dependencies can shape the fortunes of sports franchises.

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All right, it is official. It is draft day. That will be live from Green Bay. We are live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be in however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So this is, you know, we all love this day. This is a really fun day for us. J. Mac we'll start with the warriors because for a couple of reasons, the series may have shifted last night. Yeah, so we thought Houston would win. We, we said they couldn't play worse. Take Houston yesterday on the show, easy winner, easy winner. Take the Rockets. They're going to win. But it's how they won. So the NBA officials, the refs, have decided throughout the playoffs and especially in this series, we're going to let them play. Now, that's not a huge surprise. We talk about this on a regular basis. Refs let them play in the postseason. That's a big edge, however, to Houston because they really let them play last night. They're longer, deeper, stronger, more physical. And once Jimmy Butler got hurt, well, the warriors were a sub.500 team before Jimmy Butler. So Steph Curry and a bunch of role players, not going to work. And it's not just Jimmy Butler's scoring or his playmaking. It's the reality is they can just go after Steph Curry. All they have to do is rough him up, grab him, hold him. There's nobody else that can score consistently. So it makes the Warriors a completely limited team. It's not just the scoring and playmaking, the physicality of Jimmy Butler. The warriors, we know this, they're not deep. I said before the series, if they're not going to play Jonathan Kaminga, they're small and not athletic enough. And you take Jimmy Butler out, he's kind of the enforcer on that team with Draymond Green. The difference is he takes some of the scoring pressure off Curry. So right now, the NBA officials are swallowing the whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate in NBA playoff history. Now if you're the Celtics or the Rockets or the Cavs, Oklahoma City and you're deep, that's okay. You can, you can miss a star. Jason Tatum, a great players out. Celtics don't miss a beat. Jimmy Butler out of the thin small warriors is a, is a series changer. So, and again we, we said this before Jimmy Butler. It's just Curry and role players. So we have to wait for the test results. But if they're saying Butler's out for the next two games, the series is over. Now, I full disclosure, I picked the Rockets anyway. I thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by Amen Thompson, who has a reputation. He did this to Giannis, he did this to Tyler Hero. His reputation precedes him. This is what he does. He a very athletic, physical player. He was going after Butler and, and by the way, Draymond gets guys worked up. But it's not like, you know, when people used to criticize Draymond Green. Draymond Green had a reputation and he still does before he gets into the arena. Amen Thompson is their physical tough guy. He's the guy that's going to make things. He's going to be going to play that line. I thought it was a little cheap. I would have no problem if he got suspended for a game in the series, however long. Jimmy Butler's out, you're out, which is probably going to be a game. But the NBA has decided we're going to let everybody play. And so that means that Butler's not there. The warriors have been reduced to Steph Skirt. Steph Curry scores 40 points or we lose. Now, Jaylen Green's not going to shoot like that on most nights. He is a hit and miss player. You could look at his last eight games. You don't know what you're getting with Jalen Green. He had a great performance that could go down to nine points in his next outing. So again, Houston came in with their coach, former Celtics coach. We're going to get after him physically. They're not going to come into our house and go up 2 0. So there was an absolute game planned by Amen Thompson, Jaylen Green. It was be hyper aggressive. We have a deeper roster and it worked. It doesn't affect the Celtics who played without Jason Tatum. You can't take Butler out of the warriors or the series is over. And here's Steve Kerr and you just.

[Steve Kerr]

Respond and react with what you have to do. Terms of, you know, making a sub and trying to think about new substitution patterns. Who you Want to pair together all that kind of stuff. So obviously feel terrible for Jimmy. Hopefully he's okay.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, it's funny, it's not like what Amend Thompson did. I'm all worked up about. I mean I, I, I spent a lot of my years watching Kurt Rambis get tackled by the pistons. If the 70s and 80s basketball was allowed today, you'd have fans rushing on the court. But I, but I do think the NBA has always protected stars. Just like the NFL change rules to protect stars. This to me is one where I would have no problem saying, hey, as long as Butler's out, you're out. It wouldn't bother me at all. Probably not going to happen. But remember, leagues do this. It's not hard to figure out. In the NFL rules you can't touch the quarterback. Well, the NBA has always been a star driven league even more than the NFL. So I think Butler maybe misses a game, but that's a game they're not going to win because you just only have one outlet after Steph and the Rockets have figured it out without Butler on the floor. Clutch and grab Curry. Push, grab, clutch. And the refs are letting it go. So it's a really disadvantage for the warriors the way the officials are letting the Rockets a much deeper team play. It's surprising the Rockets were so ill equipped in game one. Here's IME aduca on the Rockets chippy play.

[Ime Udoka]

That's who we are, you know, that's our identity for the most part. So like I said from the start of the playoffs, we don't have to flip a switch and try to get tougher, try to get more aggressive. That's kind of what we built everything on. And so that carries over the playoffs. We understand that. And if they let us play both teams, it's in our favor for the most part. Golden State as well. It's physical, you just have to play through it. You can't expect it on one end then cry about it on the other. And so if it gets chippy, we've seen over the last two years, you know, that works in our favor for the most part. Gets us amped up and. But when you have a lead up 20 and things start to happen, you understand why. And that's kind of the last resort.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, so the way the league is officiating the playoffs, they're letting even more go than I suspected. Big advantage, Celtics, Cavs, OKC and Houston. Really deep athletic teams. Okay, so there's a story that Shadour Sanders is really slipping in the draft could go 21 to the Steelers. I will, by the way, in 45 minutes, 50 minutes, I will have my final mock draft. This is not what I would do. This is what I believe happens in the first round of the draft. First 15 picks. So 45 minutes from now, my prediction on what I think the first 15 picks will look like. So this is a very, very weak draft. So if Shador Sanders is falling in the draft, you know, it's pretty obvious that Shador Sanders is not lighting the world up. There's also tmac. The receiver out of Arizona, I am told, is also falling in the draft for separate reasons. But here's my thing about shitter sliding to Pittsburgh. I would rather go to Pittsburgh at 21 than Cleveland or the Giants with a second or third pick. I really would. Ownership stability, roster composition and a patient franchise. The Steelers have DK Metcalf. They'll trade the other receiver. They have a very good tight end, Arthur Smith, more than capable at oc. It's a very good roster. I'd rather go there. Dan Marino fell in the draft to hall of Fame coach Don Shula. Do you realize that the jets could have picked him with Joe Walton as a head coach earlier? Do you think he would have ended up having Dan Marino's career? Patrick Mahomes went 10th that year. If he would have gone second, he would have gone to the Chicago Bears. Andy Reid was not coaching the Chicago Bears. You start looking at, when Aaron Rodgers fell to Green Bay, you know where he could have gone? Mike Tice, Minnesota, or Mike Nolan, who wore a suit on the sidelines for San Francisco. Would that have been better? So I think with the current NIL model, the fact that your dad's Deion Sanders, you're making seven figures in college, play the long game. I would rather go down 10 draft picks, 12 draft picks to a better franchise. Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers are the two legendary drops in the first round. I mean, ask yourself this. Jordan Love. The packers moved up for Jordan Love. That worked out pretty well for him, didn't it? If you could go to the Green Bay packers or 23 other teams in the NFL, who would you choose? So I think we talk about this. Where you land matters now? I have my issues with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, defensive coach, defensive culture. If they have a bad year, I think they could. You know, Mike Tomlin's not going to be around forever, so. And he'll get a TV job in a heartbeat. But with the NIL model and college kids coming out with some money in the bank and your dad's Deion Sanders. I would have. I would much rather go to a stable ownership group. All this short term money, it doesn't matter as much anymore, at least for quarterbacks. I mean, at these top 20 football programs, everybody's getting money. Tight ends are getting money, right. Tackles are getting money. Safeties are getting money in college football. So the advantage to that is not only short term for the players being able to, you know, afford a nice car or something, but. But you can take a deep breath and not be emotionally tied into knots if you drop. Because if he went to Cleveland or New York, Shador Sanders has to play immediately. And he is the savior. He's not the savior in Pittsburgh. That's not what he would be. He would be the starting quarterback. The franchise doesn't need saving. It needs improvement, but it doesn't need saving. Cleveland needs saving. The Giants need everything, including saving. So that's where we are today. Lance Erlein was on Yesterday, worked for NFL.com covered the NFL for 20 years. Talked about just this quarterback class, not very good compared to last year's.

[Lance Zierlein]

From a comparison, it's terrible. It's not even close to last year's. Obviously, Shador is going to go into first this year. He would have gone maybe in the second round last year, maybe even in the third round because teams don't like, they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over the last 10 years, 35 first rounders and 14 third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation. You're either a starter or you're a backup.

[Jason McIntyre]

So the odds continue to suggest that Shadour Sanders will slide down to 21. And the Pittsburgh Steelers again, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. The two most famous slides, Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers, went to good coaches and stability. And now Chadur comes out. Dad's a legend. Nil money. So what. I mean, there are guys now in college staying in college for another year. We're seeing this. I mean, Carson Beck's like, I could get drafted in the sixth round or I can go to Miami and make $10 million. So I just, I think the nil has changed it. It's so what you drop. What you don't want to do is go to a franchise that is a mess. And we all know about 8 to 10 of these franchises are a mess. All right, there's about eight greatly well run franchises another six to seven who are mostly on a consistent basis, solid. Then there's 15 messes. J. Mac, I'm going to do in 45 minutes my mock draft.

[Unknown]

Colin, wait, wait. The Steelers are not a mess. A franchise that hasn't known offense for the last, I don't know, six years.

[Jason McIntyre]

That'S not a mess.

[Unknown]

The most expensive defense or one of the most expensive defensive rosters in the league.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Haven't won a playoff game in forever.

[Jason McIntyre]

They need.

[Unknown]

They're not a mess.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, they need adjustments. A mess. Has been the Titans a mess before. CJ Stroud.

[Unknown]

Playoff wins in the last five years in the Steelers.

[Jason McIntyre]

But the Steelers draft better. Better roster composition, more stability and ownership. Front office coaching. I mean it. It's. Again, Pittsburgh has underachieved relative to their division. I'm not denying that. But they do get to the playoffs. That's not a mess.

[Unknown]

So that's the bar.

[Jason McIntyre]

Just get well. No, you're not a mess if you're getting to the playoffs. Now, now. I mean, they win more. Think about this. They win more regularly than the Niners. Go, go. Look, even with Kyle Shannon. Good year, bad year, Good year, bad year, good year, bad year. The Rams win almost every year. The Steelers win almost every year. They do win every year in the regular season. So my take is the Steelers aren't a mess. They're just not again, relative to the top teams in the league. They are still too defensive minded.

[Unknown]

And I love this whole Shadour narrative. Let's just remember everybody, the league has no clue how to draft quarterbacks. Let's just get that out there. First and foremost, okay? Trey Lance going second. Zach Wilson second. Patrick Mahomes sliding behind Mitch Trubisky. The league doesn't know what they're doing with quarterbacks. Shador may be good. He could be Drew Brees. No, we know.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think.

[Unknown]

Accurate as hell.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. No, I think Shedeur is going to be a nice NFL quarterback. I do. Good B plus quarterback in the league. I do. I think he's more talented. I think he's absolutely more talented than Dak Prescott. I think he's more talented than Brock Purdy. I think he's more talented than JJ McCarthy who everybody loved last year. I think he's more talented. So I think he's a talented kid. I don't think he's a star and I don't think he's an A prospect.

[Unknown]

He's got some growing up to do. But is Kyler Murray a star? He's got growing up to do. He hasn't won anything. I don't know if Kyler Murray's that good.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think if you ask most GMs today, Kyler Murray, all things considered, including his contractor, Shedeur. You take Shador? Yeah, yeah. Because you know, I mean, that's part of it. So I, again, I, I, how about this?

[Unknown]

Can Shador be a top 15 quarterback?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes. Yes. With the right landing spot?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Jason McIntyre]

I believe so.

[Unknown]

Top 10?

[Jason McIntyre]

Probably not.

[Unknown]

There were moments where Kirk Cousins was the top 10 quarterback in the league. Fringe top 10, but top 10.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Dak Prescott, mid round quarterback. He was a top 10 guy.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. Again, when he had the right components to the roster. Yeah, definitely. I think if Sher goes to the right play, I mean, the Steelers star receiver, really good tight end. They lost their left tackle, Anaji Harris, but it's a great running back draft, so they're drafting another running back.

[Unknown]

Which star receiver are we talking about? The one who unfollowed the Steelers on Instagram this week. Oh, Pickens. It never stops.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, we got a lot of stuff coming up. Joel Clapp today as well. Live in la, it's the Herd.

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[Jason McIntyre]

In the case of a Jokic, the Nuggets can't score consistently without Jokic. In the case of the Bulls, without Jordan, though he left, they still won 55 games and could win a playoff series. So even when Michael Jordan left the Bulls for a year, okay, and that's because the Bulls had the coach, Great gm, excellent depth. They were better with him. The Celtics, long term, would be better with Jason Tatum. They would need his ability to be B plus to A minus at everything. But last night, Orlando's a good team. And the Celtics are so good at drafting and developing. I mean, poor Zingus. They pretty much stole him. Derrick White, they pretty much stole him. And this is what they do. So it's not a criticism. It's the reality that when Washington was winning Super Bowls with Joe Gibbs, it was the coach and the culture. Joe Missoula. I mean, think about this. Ume Adoke left and we were like, oh, Joe Missoula, he's not ready to coach. A year later, you're like, yeah, he's fine. Is he a great coach? Good enough. When you have this kind of depth, this kind of roster. So not every team, despite the fact that we're all conditioned to really believe. I don't follow international soccer closely enough, but we're conditioned in that sport to believe. Oh, I mean, if it was just about the great player, Messi would have six World Cups, right? The bottom line is the Celtics are built different. Their stars have been the GMs who have won every trade, who crush in development, who rock in free agency and regularly steal really good players. J. Mac, with the news.

[Unknown]

No, no, no, no.

[Jason McIntyre]

Turn on the news.

[Unknown]

This is The Herd line news.

Right, Colin? We're starting with our favorite talking quarterback in the league and that's Brock Purdy. We love to debate him. Well, guess what? According to Diana Rossini, Purdy and the Niners are inching closer to a long term extension that is expected to put Purdy among the top 10 highest paid quarterbacks. Meaning he'll earn at least 51 million per season. Now I don't know where you are.

[Jason McIntyre]

With the Purdy listen, if let's say he signed a contract today and it made him the 10th highest, that means in a year he'd be the 13th highest. I'd be okay with that. That's fine. I have no, because you know every year there's three new quarterbacks that sign.

[Unknown]

But that's the thing. Who's next year? I mean I don't know that like C.J. stroud's not eligible yet for, for an extension.

[Jason McIntyre]

Most of these quarterbacks. So for our radio audience, I apologize but we have the highest paid quarterbacks in the league. There's only two of these contracts that bother me. Dak is massively overpaid and I think at this point Tua, because of his injury history is overpaid. I would defend Trevor Lawrence because without him I'm not sure if they have a franchise. He's the Ken Griffey of the mirrors.

[Unknown]

Paid him early. Remember Dallas waited late to pay Dakota.

[Jason McIntyre]

But I mean I'm not bothered by any of these. Jordan Love again, I think he's super talented. Tua because of his injury history and inability to play in cold windy weather bothers me a little bit.

[Unknown]

I'm sorry. Jordan loves super talented. He's making 55 million a year more than two time MVP Lamar Super bowl stud Jalen hurts Justin Herbert. Who's better than Jordan Love. Sorry. Like you guys are all.

[Jason McIntyre]

They're all in the same ballpark. I mean that's not me. But Dak making 60 should be much closer to Sam Darnold at 37. That's when your team again, I don't have a problem paying quarterbacks but when you pay somebody like Dak60 and he should be below the rest of these guys, that's two to three other players you could have on your roster.

[Unknown]

I just, I wonder where the audience is with this. Like is there Purdy fatigue? Because Colin, this was supposed to be done early. Now we've heard 40 million, 50, 60. Like dude, just get the deal done.

[Jason McIntyre]

What are we waiting for? If I heard. Well, I mean you say that what are we Waiting for, you're waiting for a better number. 47 million. That gives you a number two cornerback.

[Unknown]

47. 52 million is like multigenerational wealth for Brock Purdy and his family.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh, you should take it.

[Unknown]

Yeah, you should take, grab it. Go. Let's move on.

[Jason McIntyre]

But, but why is a team waiting? Because the difference between paying somebody 54 and 46 can be a slot corner and a number two receiver. It could be, it can be two players.

[Unknown]

Listen, you and I have been in many contract negotiations, okay?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

They don't get dragged out over two months, do they, for a quarterback?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, Yeah, I think they do.

[Unknown]

Here's my, my, here's my hot take. I don't think the media has any clue what's going on. And there's a lot of dart throwing because we've heard every number around the sun and Brock Purdy. 40, 50, 60. Okay. I would not be surprised if Brock Purdy actually hit the top of the market briefly in a team friendly, top of the market deal just for that name recognition. You know, highest paid quarterback in NFL history. You know how good that would look for Brock Purdy? Mr. Irrelevant.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know how bad that would look for the Niners?

[Unknown]

Well, not if it's a team friendly deal and they structure it with like incentives to get him to the highest paid and all that fun stuff.

[Jason McIntyre]

I know what the Rams are rooting for. They're rooting for 60. Always ask yourself on any deal, what does your rival think if he signs a $58 million deal? They are popping champagne in the Rams facility because you're gonna have a thinner roster. And we got Stafford and you got Brock Purdy and we have a better roster and a better quarterback.

[Unknown]

So would, would Brock Purdy have a market if he left the Niners right now? If he if denied, said, sorry, we can't come to a deal. Go explore, see what you can get.

[Jason McIntyre]

I, I, I think go ask everybody what happens to quarterbacks that leave Shanahan? How do they do?

[Unknown]

That's a, that's a fair question.

[Jason McIntyre]

Matt Schaub, after Shanahan, I mean, go ask yourself what happened to Trey Lance? I mean, he wasn't hitting it there.

[Unknown]

Matt Ryan, if memory serves, won an MVP with Shanahan.

[Jason McIntyre]

How do you do after? Yeah, I mean, just go ask yourself. So go ahead there. Listen, there's bad GMs in this league. There are bad GMS in this league.

[Unknown]

The opposite for Shanahan is, hey, Brock Purdy has been amazing for two plus years. You want to just move on from him and find someone else. You know how hard it is.

[Jason McIntyre]

Slow down and amazing. He had a losing record against playoff teams. Slow down on amazing.

[Unknown]

We can't do. We can't litigate Brock Purdy on the day of the NFL draft.

[Jason McIntyre]

Next story.

[Unknown]

Colin is the draft kicks off this evening. The Titans are going to take Cam Ward number one. Everybody knows that. Here's what I didn't know, that people cannot stop comparing Cam Ward to Patrick Mahomes.

[Jason McIntyre]

He's not.

[Unknown]

What are we doing now? The staff gave me a list here of a bunch of quotes.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh, boy.

[Unknown]

Listen, Bruce Feldman's my guy. You know, when he comes on the show, Cam stroke is top 10 in the league immediately. His arm talent is ridiculous. There's still a lot of growth.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, I'm not, I'm not denying he's got a good Colin.

[Unknown]

All week people have been saying that Cam Ward would be like the fifth quarterback drafted last year. And now he's got a top 10 stroke and you got an anonymous AFC quarterback coach saying the natural comparison is Mahome and Caleb Williams.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't doubt that. No, he's not.

[Unknown]

The disconnect is just crazy.

[Jason McIntyre]

He'll be. He'll be a good quarterback in a very weak division. You know, he, I'll say this about Cam Ward, offensive coach, good old line coach. They've got a couple of nice receivers. I actually think this is a great now, even though it's not a great organization. If you could, if you said to me right now, I'm a kid, weak division, offensive coach. O line coach is legendary. And be like, I, I, that's not the worst situation.

[Unknown]

We're gonna find out about Brian Callahan. Brian Dabel was awesome with Josh Allen. Right. Daniel Jones got to the playoffs. And now it looks.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think we both picked Tennessee. We, we both like Cam Ward enough. We picked Tennessee to be a playoff team next year.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I want to see what Callahan can do. Listen, you look great with Joe Burrow. Can you. What can you do with Cam Ward? Let's see it. So I just don't like this Mahomes comparison. Of all the names, you're gonna put Patrick Mahomes there. I mean, if anybody had said Ken O'Brien, you wouldn't have been freaking out. But anyways, final story to the NBA. Huge game tonight. Knicks Pistons, game three. I'm nervous for my next.

[Jason McIntyre]

This has become a really interesting series. The Pistons have outplayed them for probably seven of eight quarters.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And Carl Anthony Towns is becoming a big story. Did not Take a shot in the fourth quarter. That was not good. And Carmelo Anthony was on his podcast 7pm in Brooklyn, and he called out Kat's performance.

[Carmelo Anthony]

You gotta demand that. You gotta demand the ball. You gotta demand. Nigga, JB, go. Come on. Let's get into 145-15-Pick and Roll. You gotta have the IQ to see that and allow the coach. Gotta be confident in that too. Like Cat gotta be a lot more demanding of situations and demanding a ball. I'm not going through og. I'm not playing through Mel. No knock to those guys. It's the money time. We got to close it out.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't know what best player in the series is Kate Cunningham. That's become pretty.

[Unknown]

Wait a minute. Wait.

[Jason McIntyre]

Come on. He is special. He has.

[Unknown]

He's better than Jayla Brunson.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh, he's a much bigger, more athletic player. No question. He's a number one pick, not a second rounder.

[Unknown]

See, that's. Who cares where they were dressed?

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, I mean, Cade Cunningham just. I mean, just look at Cade Cunningham's game. He can score. Does not need a screen. Does not need a pick one.

[Unknown]

He wasn't. Great game. Where was he? Where was he in the fourth quarter? In the next round, 21 nothing run in game one. Okay? So let's not go overboard. I love Kate Cunningham. I could be a top five point guard player.

[Jason McIntyre]

Voted him the most underrated player in the league.

[Unknown]

Well, I listen. I like Kate. That being said, here's the. Carl Anthony Town's number 56 touches in game one was down to 36 in game two. Now he's the new guy. Remember, they kind of just added him. Took a little while to figure it out. Can you, as the new guy, demand the ball? When you got Jalen Brunson one of the best closers in the league, I don't know that Carl Anthony Town's gonna be like, yo, I need the ball here. Two minutes left.

[Jason McIntyre]

Jalen Brunson once again leads the playoffs in usage rate. It doesn't work. Small guys pump, faking, dribbling the air out of the ball. It doesn't work.

[Unknown]

And I remind you, Carl Anthony Towns was benched at times last year in Minnesota. Down the stretch.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, well, he's a quirky player, but I'm just. If you. If your remedy to win and turn this series around is more Jalen Brunson dribbling the air out of the ball, that's not going to. You may get past this team. You'll be an exhaust and mess Next round.

[Unknown]

Well, one game at a time, but if you had to guess the line, Knicks at Detroit.

[Jason McIntyre]

I would say Knicks favored by one and a half.

[Unknown]

All right, I'm calling it up here. Whoa. Knicks favor by one and a half. It's not even on the screen. Nice. Nicely done. Are you taking the Knicks tonight? It's a tough one.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think I would take the Knicks zigzag theory.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I would take the last game. Knicks are going to come out fire breathing. Thibodeau's going. He get on his guys. This is the first playoff game in Detroit since like where they're like in the series. Important game.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

In like 15, 20 years. I like Knicks.

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean this is the, this is, this is a, you know, one of the bigger games for the New York Knicks in the last several years. You go down, you go down 2, 1.

[Unknown]

Not after. After going a great run last year. You don't want to lose in the first round.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, well, this game, if you lose this series, it means you lost tonight. You know, game three winner generally wins the series. Isn't that, isn't there a number on that?

[Unknown]

There are some stats on that.

[Jason McIntyre]

So it's like if you lose this series, this creates question marks throughout the organization. What do we do with Tibs? What do we do with Carl Michael.

[Unknown]

Malone sitting on the sideline? Denver fired him.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I mean if you start losing early in, like when Denver, when you start losing a series, you should win all of a sudden. Malone went into this year with the Nuggets on a very private hot seat that the people upstairs start asking questions about the coach and so if Tibbs loses to Detroit as a heavy favorite, I'm telling you, the off season's not going to be. Yeah, we just need to tweak stuff. No, that's not what the off season will be.

[Unknown]

This is a Brunson 40 piece tonight. Knicks win on the road.

[Jason McIntyre]

J. Mack with the news.

[Unknown]

Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The herd lies.

[Jason McIntyre]

So I was. I saw a story this morning. So in 30 minutes from now, I'm going to give you my mock draft. I do one on draft day. This is what I think is going to happen now in the history of drafting. If I could get of my 15 picks, if I could get six right, I'd be overjoyed. We all know the first two, but there's a lot of rumors on two to three teams moving up. I can tell you there are two different NFL teams that would like to move up for Travis Hunter. I have been told by the way, Jacksonville loves Travis Hunter. That doesn't mean they're going to get him. So there's. It's not just people like Ashton Genty. There is a lot of Travis Hunter love. It is a starless draft and Travis Hunter, Cam Ward and Ashton Genty are stars in a starless draft. Throw in Abdul Carter, you got four. Doesn't mean you don't have a bunch of good players. But so the Travis Hunter. This is not being discussed. There are multiple teams, I have been told two that would move up for Travis Hunter if they got the right deal. One of them Jacksonville. But I saw this story this morning about the Cowboys. There's a lot of Cowboy rumors. Now I, I believe Jerry doesn't want to admit this because of pride and ego. I think the Cowboys are in a rebuild. Last year their O line was ranked 25th. Then Zach Martin retired and the left tackle they picked in the first round last year, Tyler Guyton. So far it's early, it doesn't look good. So if you're rebuilding your O line with a B quarterback, to me you're in a rebuild. Most of the really good super bowl level teams in this league, the Buffaloes, the Baltimores, the Rams, the Packers, Detroit, Philadelphia, they have good old lines. I mean if you go look at the top offensive lines last year in the NFL, Philly, Denver, Tampa, Detroit, Buffalo, Green Bay, Chiefs, all made the playoffs. 7 of 7, 9 and 10 Ravens commanders. So battle line rebuild. You're either a bad team or you're an average team in a rebuild. So if I was the Cowboys, I would trade Micah Parsons. I think in a weak draft he'd get you a first round pick. I would also trade down in the first round. So I think Dallas should attack offense. I think they should go after tight end, running back, O line, wide receiver. And we've seen this before where like the Rams have done this the last couple years. We're going to attack the defense. Well, look at the Rams defense. It's fantastic and getting better and it's inexpensive. So if you're going to pay Dak 60 million, then you've got to give him help and you've got to make that investment work. The only way to make it work is moving off Micah, getting another first round pick, trading down. They only have one elite star offensive player, CD Lamb. So to me, once you pay the quarterback, especially a B quarterback, A plus money, you got to make the investment work. And this is a good draft for tight end, running back and some pretty good offensive tackles. So I would, I would make moves. I would, I would, I would move down a draft pick, I would move Micah, and I would go aggressively for offensive help. But Jerry doesn't view it. And again, there's, there's pride there. It's an offensive league. If you don't have weapons, I don't care how good your defense is. I don't care. You're not, you're not winning multiple playoff games. And in this division now with Jaden Daniels, it's pretty obvious you have the third best quarterback in the division. If you don't have one of the first two quarterbacks in the division, you're not going to be a consistent playoff team. And also, I think we all admit Brian Schottenheimer is not in the top 15 in the league in head coaches. The staff is pretty meager. So that's what I would do. There's a lot of rumors. I don't think it's that difficult. But again, the packers don't have an owner, the Rams have one that doesn't medal, and the Cowboys have one that sees himself as the team's gm. So it's just problematic. Another rumor on the New York Giants. That's coming up next. It's the Herd.

[Unknown]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Draft coverage. Yep, with the first pick, the biggest names that know about every player and every team. You've got it right here. Listen as Fox NFL insider Jake Glazer, former New York jets general manager Joe Douglas, college football hall of Famer and former number two overall pick LaVar Arrington, and Fox Sports League college football reporter Jenny Tapp deliver the pick by pick coverage.

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[Unknown]

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[Jason McIntyre]

So I have in 15 minutes my mock draft. I'll make a prediction of what I think happens to the top 15 picks in the draft. I'm excited for it. I can tell you there's a lot of rumors on the Internet. I do have one major trade. There's a second one. There's two or three things that could happen. Jacksonville likes Travis Hunter. I don't think Cleveland's letting go of Travis Hunter. The Bears have their eye on a player. I don't think they have the ammo to get there. So you know these teams now. By tonight it could change. But at the top of the hour, I'll do my draft picks. All right there. There's another story, and we've said this before, I don't think fans understand the egos and the dysfunction that exist in the NFL. It's really a mess. And Jordan Schultz said the Giants owner Mara loved Josh Allen back when they took Saquon Barkley and that he's always kind of been a little miffed that that would have been the franchise changer and they didn't do it. So even though Joe Shane and Brian Dall have summarily agreed, we're not taking Shador Sanders. What if Mara just said I want him? That could happen. Now there's like two or three different kinds of owners in the NFL. There's Stan Kroenke, who doesn't medal, keeps his eye on everything, doesn't matter. There's the Mara family, which, which doesn't meddle a lot but makes a lot of bad decisions in crucial moments. And then there's Jerry Jones, who thinks he's a general manager. So there's about seven to eight to me. Really, really buttoned up franchises of the 32, I called them a tier one group. I think that's Buffalo, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit. Right now, Kansas City, Rams, Green Bay, San Francisco. They miss on draft picks, but they're well run, ownership, front office down. Then I think there's another tier where they mostly get it right. You know, Denver, Seattle, Chargers, Tampa, Houston, Minnesota, Washington. Don't love the ownership in Houston like the GM in front office. They've drafted well, smart free agent, good head coach. Quarterback coordinators are fine. So after that it's a lot of smoke and mirrors and nonsense. I've always said. I think the Ravens are the best run franchise in the league. And truthfully, Steve Bashotti doesn't want it out there. He has huge influence even on draft night. So, you know, some guys, Stan Kroenke and Steve Bushotti are great owners. One of them is more into the football decisions, Bashadi than Stan Kroenke. But obviously Bashadi's good because they draft well. There's just not. There's just not a belief in the Giants building. Lance Erlein talked about this yesterday. The GM and the coach. Here we go.

[Lance Zierlein]

So that's what I've heard. And so I don't think Shador Sanders is in play at three at all. I think they'd like for you to believe it. It seems like there's a lot of teams that want you to believe that they're in on Shadore Sanders because they think they're going to elicit a phone call and a trade up. I don't think it's going to happen. I think he goes 21 to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Jason McIntyre]

And just to say this on the Giants, you can keep blaming the players and the coaches, but they got one playoff win in 10 years. I mean, they have the worst record in the NFL since 2012. Raiders first, Giants second. And it's neck and neck. Five head coaches, 10 starting quarterbacks, 10 losing seasons, one playoff win since 2011. That's ownership. You can't keep blaming CO I mean, somebody hired Joe Judge. Was Joe Judge that impressive in person? Really? Ben McAdoo, Pat Shermer, like some of these moves? You know, I. First thing I do is text people. What do you think about this move? I Very rarely. And this includes now you saw it on hbo. Max. Do people say Giants are buttoned up? They don't. And that stuff. Every bad company. I mean, I've been lucky. I've worked at six or seven companies in my life. One really bad one.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why was it bad?

[Jason McIntyre]

It wasn't the employees. It was the people upstairs. So, okay, so we were talking about this. J. Mac and I disagree a little bit. So your reputation matters. So Draymond Green officials have their eye on Draymond Green and should because of his reputation. You'll see this all the time in basketball where a coach will take an official and say, hey, this guy. Watch this guy. Watch this guy. So Amend Thompson has a reputation. I mean, remember the foul on Giannis? The last time he does this foul. And everybody's like, No, I don't see it as a big deal. It's a go either way thing. You know, social media wanted him ejected forever. Did he get pushed? Here's the issue. Why? I think there's at least an argument. Go look at his career. So this is a guy that tackled Giannis. Remember the play years ago with Giannis? I mean, that's violent. That's who he is. I mean, look at this. That is ugly. Remember the Tyler Herro moment? So he got toe to toe with Tyler, hero of the Miami Heat, and slammed him to the floor. So we got video of that as well. So when you have these multiple moments, you are going to be officiated differently. It's like having kids, and one kid's always in trouble. So if trouble persists in the house, my guess is, of all my kids, it's probably the troublemaker in my house. So I didn't think last night was severe. It's not outrageous. It's not the 70s, 80s, 90s. And there's an argument, even though there are camera angles, where it's like, Traymond Green did not push him. But I also wouldn't be outraged if the league said, butler's out of game, you're out of game. I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be outraged by it. Now, Steve Kerr said, we didn't see it as a problem.

[Steve Kerr]

It looked like there was some physicality on the rebound, and I think Thompson just, you know, inadvertently found himself underneath Jimmy, just based on the, you know, the tug of war that was going on there. So, I mean, we didn't. We didn't think there was anything wrong with the play.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, so, J. Mac, let's look at it. Was it inadvertent? Considering his history.

[Unknown]

The dirtiest play in this game involved Draymond Green. Sorry to report, but it wasn't on this play.

[Jason McIntyre]

Doesn't it seem like a thicket?

[Unknown]

If you watch Podzemski, he's pushing Stephen.

[Jason McIntyre]

Adams, but watch him. Watch him go on. That video doesn't show.

[Unknown]

That angle doesn't show. But if you look at the other angle, you'll see pods pushing Stephen Adams and Draymond kind of slips. So there's a bunch of guys in there. And Thompson loses his balance. I don't think it's dirty. The Giannis play was really dirty.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, that was violent.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And listen, people need to realize that Lakers, Timberwolves game combined with this, these are rock fights. Everybody who romanticizes 90s NBA basketball, you watching these games. You really think this is good basketball? I don't like this, Colin. I don't think it's visually appealing.

[Jason McIntyre]

The reason I think the league has to at least have a discussion on this is Amend Thompson's history and Jimmy Butler is a star and quarterbacks and stars in the NBA. It's different. It just is. You don't have to like it.

[Unknown]

It's so let's say Butler misses Game three. Do you think the warriors can still win that without him at home?

[Jason McIntyre]

No. Now again, Jaylen Green was amazing and he is all over the map.

[Unknown]

He's not going to be as bad as he was in game one.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, no. But if he had seven a nine instead of 38, you'd be like, yeah, yeah. I mean again, this to me doesn't rise to I'm outraged. I thought it. I don't think the league will do anything. Wouldn't bother me if they did it for a game BMW didn't just Design.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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