Hour 1 - The Warriors got lucky

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Episode: Hour 1 - The Warriors Got Lucky
Release Date: April 16, 2025

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1. Warriors' Performance and Playoff Prospects
Timestamp: [03:03] – [07:17]

Colin Cowherd opens the discussion by analyzing the Golden State Warriors' recent performance. He emphasizes that although the Warriors started their game with a substantial lead, their appearance suggested fatigue and vulnerability, leading to a "depressing win for an old band about to go on tour." He references rumors about Kevin Durant potentially returning to the Warriors, which were dismissed by Durant himself.

Cowherd critiques the Warriors' dependence on their veteran stars, Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry, who collectively scored 75 points in the game. He argues that the team lacks depth and athleticism, making them susceptible to teams like the Houston Rockets, who are described as "young, long, athletic, dynamic, and a great rebounding team."

Notably, Colin states:

"Jimmy and Steph Curry were great, combined for 75 points. But when you watch them, they need another athlete, they need another wing."
[03:45]

He further discusses Jonathan Kuminga's limited playtime, suggesting the Warriors are signaling a shift away from his development:

"Did not play him again last night. I mean, they're telling the league, we're moving off him, they're doing something."
[05:20]

2. College Football Quarterback Holdouts and Transfer Portal Drama
Timestamp: [07:38] – [16:50]

The conversation shifts to a significant development in college football—the first-ever quarterback holdout. Colin discusses Arch Manning's situation, where Tennessee University refused his demands to increase his redshirt compensation from $2.5 million to $4 million, leading to his departure from the program. This decision has sparked a broader investigation into how college football institutions are handling talented quarterbacks and the influence of parents, likening "quarterback dad" to "pageant mom."

Colin remarks:

"It's about the cash. And so I think the NIL has been gas on a flame of parents who are very strong-willed and often turn into pageant moms."
[10:15]

He expresses skepticism about Tennessee's rationale, suggesting financial motivations behind their refusal:

"It's a bidding war for these kids now... I think it's really about the cash."
[12:30]

Additionally, Colin touches on the challenges faced by colleges in retaining top quarterback talent amidst these financial and parental pressures.

3. NFL Draft Insights: Jackson Dart and Shador Sanders
Timestamp: [16:50] – [25:32]

The episode delves into the NFL Draft, focusing on quarterbacks Jackson Dart from Ole Miss and Shador Sanders. Colin compares Dart to Zach Wilson, predicting similar struggles if drafted by a disorganized team like the Jets. However, he remains open to the possibility of Dart finding a suitable environment, such as the Los Angeles schools or the Big Ten.

Colin states:

"If Jackson Dart goes to the Rams like this story says, it's possible. I don't believe that's true."
[19:00]

In discussing Shador Sanders, Colin highlights his meeting with Pittsburgh Steelers' coach Mike Tomlin, who sees Sanders as an ideal fit:

"I believe Colin, that Shador Sanders is the ideal quarterback for the Steelers for a couple reasons."
[20:12]

He praises Sanders' athleticism and fit within the Steelers' system, suggesting Pittsburgh could benefit significantly from his addition.

4. NBA Playoffs Predictions and Controversies
Timestamp: [25:32] – [37:24]

Colin and Will engage in a heated discussion about the NBA playoffs, making bold predictions about potential upsets. Colin voices his doubts about the Warriors' longevity, emphasizing their aging roster and lack of depth. He forecasts that despite being favored, the Warriors might face blowouts against the Houston Rockets due to the latter's superior size and athleticism.

Colin opines:

"I think there's going to be an upset in the first round... an upset is Houston beating this team."
[26:50]

Will counters by praising the Warriors' elite closers and offensive efficiency:

"I think any team has a chance when I'm on a team, but I know that every team has a chance if Steph's on the team."
[50:02]

Despite differing views, both agree on the Warriors' reliance on Curry's three-point shooting as a decisive factor in their playoff success.

5. Player Conduct and Psychology: Rory McIlroy and Bryson DeChambeau
Timestamp: [38:40] – [53:04]

The podcast transitions to golf, focusing on the interaction between Rory McIlroy and Bryson DeChambeau. Colin reveals that DeChambeau was advised by sports psychologist Bob Rotella to avoid engaging with McIlroy, attributing this strategy to maintaining focus and intimidation:

"Many top golfers and athletes have sports psychologists on the payroll... Bob Rotella... told him, do not engage with Bryson DeChambeau."
[39:21]

Colin interprets DeChambeau's silence as a deliberate tactic to project strength and reduce distractions:

"Silence is intimidating. I think when people get chatty, my take's always been when people get real chatty, they're nervous."
[39:45]

He further discusses DeChambeau's performance issues during the tournament, attributing his struggles to psychological tactics and inconsistency.

6. Final Thoughts on the Warriors vs Rockets Playoff Series
Timestamp: [46:06] – [50:39]

In concluding the discussion on the Warriors, Colin emphasizes the team's potential decline due to their aging core. He predicts that while the Warriors can win close games thanks to their clutch performance and playoff experience, the Rockets' athleticism and size will likely lead to multiple blowouts in the series:

"Houston is going to win some games in this series and there'll be nights when you're like, Golden State is completely outmanned."
[48:30]

Will maintains optimism about the Warriors' capabilities, highlighting their defensive prowess and offensive efficiency:

"They were so good and efficient offensively in the half court. That's what wins playoff games."
[50:02]

Ultimately, Colin reiterates his belief in a Houston upset over the Warriors, citing the latter's dependence on star performances and insufficient depth:

"I think that's why you trust the Rockets. Their size is going to be a huge issue."
[50:37]

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Notable Quotes:

• Colin Cowherd:

  "Jimmy and Steph Curry were great, combined for 75 points. But when you watch them, they need another athlete, they need another wing."
  [03:45]

• Colin Cowherd:

  "It's about the cash. And so I think the NIL has been gas on a flame of parents who are very strong-willed and often turn into pageant moms."
  [10:15]

• Will:

  "I think any team has a chance when I'm on a team, but I know that every team has a chance if Steph's on the team."
  [50:02]

• Colin Cowherd:

  "Houston is going to win some games in this series and there'll be nights when you're like, Golden State is completely outmanned."
  [48:30]

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Conclusion:
In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, the focus spans across basketball, football, and golf, offering in-depth analysis of team performances, player dynamics, and the interplay between athletic talent and organizational decisions. With a critical eye on the Golden State Warriors' playoff chances and insightful commentary on emerging sports narratives, Colin provides listeners with a comprehensive overview of the current sports landscape.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Will]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Will]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Will]

Now let's get this party started.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are live and this is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. We have a lot today. There's continuing stories going on. One of the more fascinating the first holdout in college football ever and how that's playing out. Is that kid, that great quarterback talent, young kid, is he going to land at USC or ucla? A lot of rumors this morning on that. Jordan Schultz filled in for J. Mac, who's on vacation. So the warriors one got off to a huge lead. But if you were a Warrior fan, they look tired and they look vulnerable. That was a depressing win for an old band about to go on tour. So let's start with that. Remember the trade deadline. And there was that rumor that Kevin Durant may be going back to the warriors and KD squashed it. Steve Kerr, did he plant it. They need length. They need another score. Now playoff. Jimmy and Steph Curry were Great, combined for 75 points. But when you watch them, they need another athlete, they need another wing. And this is where the Jonathan Kaminga story is so obvious. Did not play him again last night. I mean, they're, they're telling the league, we're moving off him, they're doing something. But you watched it last night like they. Memphis was a Ja Morant turned ankle in an inbounds play from beating the Warriors. So they had great energy in the first half that a great game plan. Took a 20 point lead, but boy, do they have holes. They couldn't make any stops. They're just not long enough. And Jimmy Butler gave this team a vibe and an energy, but Vibe has a ceiling. He brought this intensity to the regular season. And a lot of teams in the regular season, especially the second half, are tanking or resting starters. So. But Golden State looks old, they look tired, they don't have a ton of scoring depth. And outside of Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry, who, thank God hit back to back threes, that was the difference probably in the game. They're not terribly dynamic. And so now it's interesting because they face Houston. Houston is. They're exactly what the warriors aren't, young, long, athletic, dynamic and a great rebounding team. So they're going to blow out the warriors in a couple of these games. The question is, can there be enough close games in the Houston warriors series for Golden State to win? Because Golden State will be a much better team in close games. They'll manipulate the refs. They've got the better coach. Draymond Butler and Steph have been in so many huge playoff games. Close games. I'll take the warriors, but they're going to get blown out a couple of times in this series because, you know, an old band can go to the sphere in Vegas, can still make money in tour, but an old NBA team, you can't hide behind the drums and the lyrics, they looked old. And I, I'll say this, the Jimmy Butler thing, the playoff Jimmy thing is real. He had a remarkable first half, played well throughout. But Golden State is favored against Houston and I feel like they're going to be incredibly Butler and Curry Reliant. They're not as deep, as long as athletic as Houston. I, I'm, I think we got an upset on our hands coming because Golden State is favored. So Steve Kerr seemed somewhat satisfied. Here was his take on what we all watched last night.

[Will]

I tried to downplay it a little bit before the game, but we desperately needed to win this game and get four days. Our guys have been basically playing knockout games for about three weeks. Took 83 games. But we're right where we want to be, which is, you know, back in the playoffs and we've got a chance.

[Colin Cowherd]

But maybe most importantly, we get, we.

[Will]

Get the time to rest and prepare because these guys need that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, the old band members need to head home for a few days. Sleep in, sleep late again. If you look at the warriors starting lineup in the playing game last night, Steph and Jimmy gave you 75 points. Everybody else looks small, look limited and shot 6 for 19 and gave you 16 total points. So Houston is the opposite of the Warriors. The warriors are favored and I think it's mostly based on playoff experience. But if there is a first round upset coming, it's going to be Houston beating this team. Houston is excellent in size and rebounding. The warriors are not. And now that they've apparently opted to not play Kaminga, I mean, you watched last night. Zach Edie was a problem. Like they just, I mean, and he didn't play well and he's not a refined NBA player, but they didn't even want to challenge him at the rim. Zach Edie. So here comes Houston. Watch out. All right, so this story is fascinating. So it's the, we talked about this. I'VE talked about this every day. It's the first holdout in college football. So there's a really talented quarterback, LA kid, Arch Manning and him, the kid were the top two quarterbacks out of high school. He goes to Tennessee and he makes two and a half million dollars red shirting. So there's a bidding war for these kids now. The great quarterbacks, Nico Iamaliava and and then he decides obviously got advice, bad advice from somebody in his family, probably dad, I would guess. And I am, I'm not gonna practice, I'm gonna hold out. I want 4 million. And Tennessee said, yeah, see ya. We're not going there. So he's a talented kid. But not only did Tennessee hold the line, a lot of people are holding the line. Tulane said no thanks. Belichick said no thanks. Oregon has the money. They've said no thanks. So the rest of college football is holding the line as well. Now for the next 10 days, the transfer portal is wide open and he may land somewhere. But the overriding feeling I get from this story because he's talented is quarterback dad is a real thing. And it's the equivalent of pageant mom. Weird helicopter getting in the way of talented kids living through your kids. Bad advice. Quarterback dad has become pageant mom. Not a lot of self awareness here. So I mean it's a metal man, not a middleman. And now Marv Marinovich, California Todd Marinovich, his dad, rest in peace. He was the beginning of the tsunami of where. And I've heard this for years from college coaches, like dads get in the way. You know, everybody's like, oh, you need a strong dad. Dads that were semi athletic but not as successful as they think they should have been live through their kids. Now the Nico family saying that this is not why he left. It wasn't bad advice. Why would Tennessee, there's a lot of grifting going on. Why would Tennessee just bail on him? Give me a break. You know what this is all about? It's about the cash. And so I think the nil has been gas on a flame of parents who are very strong willed and often turn into panet mom. So I, I'm surprised he doesn't have more offers. I think he's really talented. But Tennessee made a statement. Okay. And what's interesting is, and we know that money drives everything from politics to sports, but it looks like college football, a lot of college football's made a statement too. So. And I, and I do think bailing on your team is a bad look, I don't think it would affect him. The interesting thing here, if he would have just stayed at Tennessee and had a good year, not even a great one, he's probably a first round quarterback next year and would have made money, would have never been a problem the rest of his life. So the family is saying there's a lot of misinformation, but he was a starting quarterback for Tennessee, decided not to practice and Tennessee said, no thanks. You just don't do that for a kid this talented. This kid's too talented to just bail on cuz, you know, he had a ice cream headache and missed a practice. He's too talented. So Joel Klatt came on the show yesterday and talks about what he thinks is going to happen to this really, really talented kid in a weird situation. I could see him back on the West Coast. I would, I would think that he wants to be in the Big Ten, I would think, but I think he could wind up somewhere else. I think UNC is interesting. North Carolina, that's, that's just to keep your eye on that. The LA schools make a lot of sense. Now, I have heard that there has been a huge quiet influx of UCLA money, that's all. So I'm not gonna be shocked if he winds up at ucla. I will be a little surprised at ucla. It's public university, everything gets reported. You know, USC has always had an advantage on ucla. It's private. They can pay their coaches whatever they want. It doesn't have to go through a board or regents. Nobody care. If you want to pay an assistant 2 million bucks, you can. @ UCLA. Historically, football, they don't pay their assistance very well because it's got to get approved. So unless somebody stepped up and said, okay, USC could be pretty good this year, they're our rival, let's go pay 3 million bucks. But it's a fascinating tale because I'll argue all day long, the kid is talented, he's young, he's not refined, yet he is talented. From la, goes to the sec and Tennessee's like, we're not going to play this day, we're not going to play this game, we're not going to do this. And it's interesting to watch. A lot of teams that need a quarterback right now in college don't appear to be interested. And he's as talented as anybody out there. So stay tuned. Coming up, speaking of quarterbacks, I got a second and a third NFL person telling me I'm wrong on Jackson Dart of Ole Miss, who I think is a slightly better version of Zach Wilson from BYU went to the jets and flamed out. 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[Will]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Will]

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[Colin Cowherd]

There's a story out today. The Rams have spent expensive time on Ole Miss quarterback Jackson Dart because Stafford's getting old. I would be shocked if the Rams drafted him. I'll just tell you that. I would be surprised. Now I think he's Zach Wilson of the Jets. A little better version. I think he's more talented, but I think he's Zach Wilson. So it was easy for me to predict Zach Wilson wouldn't work. To the jets defensive coach, battle line, wonky organization, impulsive ownership, that was an easy call. Jackson Dart, if he did go to the Rams and sat behind Matt Stafford for two years with the guidance and composure and intelligence of Sean McVay, it could be a different outcome. I mean, let's be honest. Sam Darnold's the greatest example of this. Awful with the Jets. Great with the Vikings. Baker Mayfield in Tampa. Oh, he's pretty good. So Geno Smith reborn in Seattle with a competent staff. Awful with the Jets. Oh, you can actually play a little in Seattle. Made a Pro Bowl. So where you land for young people in any industry, it can be broadcasting, it can be football, it can be law, it can be medicine. Your first mentor is a game changer. Certainly was for me. So Jackson Dart to the Saints and Jackson Dart to the rams, sitting for two years behind Stafford with McVeigh. Those are two potentially different outcomes. And here's the thing. Football's different. So where you land in basketball may affect how many trophies you win. Right? Michael Michael Jordan eventually got Phil Jackson and they drafted Scottie Pippen. You do need a good gm, and you need, you know, an owner that's going to pay for the right coach and get the right coach, but you can still get 28 points a night. Kevin Durant still getting 27 points a night, shooting 53%. You can still get yours. You may not get trophies, but in football, battle line, bad coordinator, bad outcome, bad results. Maybe you get hurt. So the gap in football coaching in this country is gigantic. I don't think the gap in NBA Coaching is huge. I think Kerr is obviously very good. Ty Lu Tibs obviously a great defensive coach but I mean Joe Missoula had no head coaching experience. Was a second row guy. They give it to him by the second year he's winning a title. I don't think the gap in NBA is a player driven league football. Coaching is everything. I mean the Chargers went from the worst defense in the league to the best defense in the league because they got the right defensive coordinator, same players. You don't see that in the NBA. You don't go for 28 wins to 58 wins because you hired a coach in the NBA. So Jackson Dart, if he lands at the right place, I mean look at what Sean Payton did to rookie Bo Nicks. Look what Matt Eber Flutes did to the more talented Caleb Williams. So if Jackson Dart goes to the Rams like this story says, it's possible. I don't believe that's true. And sits for two years with McVeigh's guidance. Okay, all bets are off. That's a whole different outcome than going to the Saints. Derek Carr's hurt starting week one. That in my opinion would not end well. I but I have three people now. One has made a steak dinner debt. Bet he really likes him. And I see Zach Wilson, same high school, same size, struggled when they played. Better competition in college and the game speeds up. So there you go. That you know this is one of the great parts about the draft is the quarterbacks taking a swing. I'm going to put it out there. I, I, I don't think Jackson darts A first round quarterback in my opinion goes to the Rams. I'll probably be wrong. Jordan with the news.

[Will]

Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news calling the NFL draft just over a week away. There's no real indication of where Shador Sanders will land. But there's one NFL coach who reportedly, quote, really likes Shador despite his apparent slide down draft boards. Mike Tomlin. Todd McShay reports that Tomlin is a big fan of the quarterback and if he's still there at 21, he could very well end up a Steeler. Now Shador spoke highly of his meeting with Tomlin and the Steelers and said that Tomlin resembles his dad Deion. He rated his meeting with Pittsburgh A10. I believe Colin, that Shador Sanders is the ideal quarterback for the Steelers for a couple reasons. One, he's going to play on schedule, he's going to play on script. I think with for Mike Tomlin and Arthur Smith they're looking for A quarterback who can come in and run their system. Now this was really interesting to me. I talked to a current executive who said basically Shador Sanders throws a 20 yard handoff. And he said this is really important. Not a runner necessarily, but that doesn't mean he lacks mobility.

[Colin Cowherd]

He can move, he can move.

[Will]

He can still manipulate the pocket. And because of that, because he's a good enough athlete, you throw in the accuracy and I think you're looking at a really good player. And you just talked about where he lands. Pittsburgh's where he should land.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So I have my issues with Pittsburgh, but where I don't think it's a great place for Aaron Rodgers to go because it's the last stop for him. I do think if Shedeur dropped to 21 and went to Pittsburgh or they moved up a few spots, that's actually a good spot for him because their quarterback room has been so bad for several years. He'll be a breath of fresh air. He's a. He is a different level player than Kenny Pickett or the current. Yeah, he's just a different level player. And I. What I think's happening now is because like Caleb Williams, he was so pro high profile coming into the season, everybody's picking him. Apart the two things that are absolutely true, he is a bigger athlete than you think. If you watch him during the draft, when you see him on stage, he is a big guy.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now he's a legit six two, six two and a half. He is thick, big shoulders, big waist, big. He's a real athlete. And his arm isn't great, but I think it's better than people think. I think it's like Kyle McCord's arm at Syracuse. He can squeeze it into tight windows. I don't. This is not a light armed guy. So I mean, I remember Andrew Luck getting picked apart before the draft and you're like, he's almost a perfect Stanford. Big, strong, big arm. And people were saying, well, his arm is okay. Your arm is either fine or it's a problem. It's not a problem. So I think Pittsburgh is actually a good spot for him because it is. I would say this about the organization and I have my issues. It is a patient organization and it's a very good roster. So he'll be playing, you know, at Colorado he had the second best roster four out of five Saturdays. Pittsburgh, to me, still has a top seven or eight roster in the league.

[Will]

Yeah, the other part too, he never had great offensive line play, either Colorado or Jackson. And he Defines his game. He knows what he is and what he isn't. He doesn't try to play outside of his. His. His weaknesses. I, I think he's gonna be really good. And he can sit potentially, or he could play. I like him a lot. Eagles fans are known to be some of the most ruthless, unruly in the league and are riding high after coming off their big super bowl win over Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. Now, their recent title has been very hard on Cowboys legend Emmett Smith, who's tired of their success. I'm sick of it, and I'm sick of it for two reasons.

[Colin Cowherd]

One, we have allowed others to come.

[Will]

And nitpick at the start and make fun of the star.

[Colin Cowherd]

And that's what happens when you give.

[Will]

Other people or the other organization. Now all of a sudden over the last 20 years, they win two silver. They think they're the best thing on the dog on planet. Yeah. And everywhere I go, go birds. I'm sick of hearing, go Birds. I'm always asking, where you going? You still got a long way to.

[Colin Cowherd]

Go to catch ups.

[Will]

Yeah. He also said that he believes Dallas should be contending for NFC titles.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, not close at. There is not a single thing currently today that the Cowboys do better than the Eagles. And I mean anything. Ownership, gm, quarterback play, O and D line. There is not a single thing you can point to. Look at the running back room for Philly and the running back room. Worst in the league for the Cowboys. They don't draft as well as Philly. They don't acquire as good as Philly. Philadelphia is better than the Dallas Cowboys.

[Will]

In every single capacity, every single unit.

[Colin Cowherd]

There is not a unit on that roster that Philly's not better. Receiver, O line, tight end, corner. Now that the Eagles nailed two corners.

[Will]

Mitchell. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Safety, pass rush, D line, Jalen Carter.

[Will]

Coaching.

[Colin Cowherd]

No. I mean, I would have said McCarthy over Nick Ceriani as a head coach, but when you go Brian Schottenheimer to Sirianni, okay, now I got a guy with a ring and a guy that's more of a position coach. Dallas is worse than the Eagles in every single thing they do.

[Will]

Highest evaluation in the NFL since 2007, 10.7 billion. But that hasn't led to success. And it's ironic that Emmett Smith is saying this because we talked the other day. Jerry said recently, I don't know why I can't handle Micah's negotiation like I did with Emmett. When I basically got Emmett to take the deal, I wanted him to take different era It's a different era, Colin. And that's exactly the issue. Plus the division. It's not just Philly now, it's Washington with Jaden Daniels. And the Giants have won two Super Bowls since Dallas has won, has won their last one to the NBA. The Magic beat the Hawks last night in the East.

[Colin Cowherd]

Play in Trey Young was awful.

[Will]

It was what Trae Young did late in the fourth quarter that made headlines. Clearly frustrated with how the game had gone, Trey got two texts for a hard pass to the ref. And later kicking the ball away from the ref before being ejected. Here's Trey on this well special moment. Sometimes I take my frustration on the refs not just for me, it's for my teammates. I see Dyson Daniels going, I mean you may not, may not be a household name yet, but he deserves the same amount of respect as some of these other guys. And if you see a foul, you should call the foul. And that's pretty much all it was for me.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, but I thought that this was about as bad as a star performance in a national TV game as I've seen in a long time. It was embarrassing. Everything was. He had a three point shot that missed everything straight on. It hit the side of the backboard.

[Will]

My biggest issue with that comment isn't even that he was frustrated. I get it. But if he's supposed to be the leader of the franchise and he's talking about I was frustrated for my teammates. Well, you need to have the maturity to handle the situation and he didn't have it. Now they, they, they're not out. They play the Bulls. You got loser a Bulls heat tonight for the final playoff spot in the East. But I don't see them beating either one of those teams and I don't see them doing anything. If you call in three, four years ago when he beat the Knicks, we were talking about him like, you know, this ascending player. It feels like he's really flatlined and the organization has as well.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And the east is middle and bottom of the east is weak.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jordan with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. So there was something yesterday. So obviously when the Mavericks traded Luca, it just, it didn't sit well. So Nico Harrison's the general manager. He talk for the first time since that disastrous trade that, that controversial trade but he wouldn't allow cameras or recording devices. So it was just a circus. So I mean if you're going to make the trade, man up, stand behind it and, and deal with the Outcomes. So that, that's the first thing. You can't hold a press conference two and a half months later and nobody can record it. Weak, weak sauce. Secondly, Lucas scored 45 points the last time he faced the Mavs. So when Nico Harrison said yesterday, defense wins championships, you couldn't defend Luka. So yeah, defense matters. I'm not saying it doesn't, but buckets bring banners in this sport. So there's basically a rule in the NBA and this is my entire life, this has been the rule, especially in the NBA. Whoever gets the superstar wins the trade. Always. Back in the 70s, Lu Alcinder was the best player in the game. The Bucks won a title in 71. And by the mid-70s, Lu Alcindor went to the organization privately and said, I want out. So they made a trade and it actually now Kareem did not give them a, did not let it out to help the organization and they got really good players. The Bucks got a haul and Kareem went on to win like five trophies with the Lakers. And the Bucks never did until Giannis. So it's a superstar driven sport. There's two or three things that always happen when you get the star. Other stars like to play with stars. So you know when all of a sudden when LeBron and Wade and Bosch were together, Shane Battier and Ray Allen, Ray Allen left the Celtics, he's like, yeah, I'll play for that team. I'll get jumpers, I'll get looks. So that's the first thing Luke is going to be and LeBron are going to be very attractive to other players. And the other thing is stars, historically, especially veteran stars, they get that whistle in the playoffs and that's the reality. So there was, there was no way to win this trade. But what it really comes down to is everybody is, almost everybody is tradable. I mean, Michael Jordan in his prime wasn't and LeBron in his prime wasn't. But think about this. If it was an NFL trade. So all they got was one first round pick, a very good but older AD who's injury prone, and Max Christie. My comp in the NFL is that would be like trading Joe Burrow, Bengals quarterback. Now Joe Burrow, like Luca has had some injuries. Joe Burrow, like Luca doesn't have a trophy. But it would be like trading Joe Burrow and getting one first round pick, a forgettable slot receiver and a really good left tackle who's injury prone and past his prime. You'd be fired immediately. So the fact that Nico has kept his Job has always led me to believe that ownership said, you're going to take the hit, we're moving off him. So Mark Cuban sold the team, lost his influence. Mark Cuban wouldn't have sold him, in my opinion. And so Nico's taking the hit for this. And I do think ownership, and I've said this before, when they did the new CBA got the really great young players can get a max contract of 75 million a year and 350 million. I mean, that's almost double LeBron what he's getting in his prime. Maybe it is double. It's one thing for a billionaire to pay a great athlete 35 million annually. When you're paying somebody 75 billion, even if you're a billionaire, you have to consider everything. And first of all, he wasn't in great shape. He's a bad defender. He barks at the refs constantly. Not a willing defender again. And he had been hurt in back to back camps and he wasn't currently playing when they traded him. So I understood the conversation. But if you're going to trade Joe Burrow and your argument is, well, we don't have a trophy and he's increasingly hurt, you got to do better than a forgettable slot receiver and a left tackle past his prime and one first round pick. So, and add this, this may be worse than anything. Greg Popovich always had this. Remember when Greg Popovich had Kawhi Leonard and I thought it was a mistake, but he and Kawhi Kawhi had his own medical opinions and the spurs medical staff is like, why can't he play? And Pop was done with it. Pop sent him to Toronto. Now he won a title. But Pops, like, you don't trade anybody in conference. The fact that Nico not only traded rival Lakers, Luca, the biggest brand, everybody's rival in the west, and perhaps the league is the Lakers. I mean, when they go to la, you'll see beat LA signs all over the league. When they go out of la, you see beat LA signs all over the place. So it's the leagues, right? It's like the Yankees in baseball or the Dodgers. You're not trying to help them, right? So to trade in conference makes absolutely no sense. And yesterday was Mickey Mouse, you know, two and a half months, you, you won't, you won't have any recording devices. It's like, bro, you just got to stand up and take it. Even if in I, I contend, the owners said we're not paying him 75 billion. It'd be one thing if he's Aunt Edwards. And you're like, plays every night, getting better, healthy plays defense, engage with teammates. You know, like, I would pay ant. I would also pay Luca, but I understood the concerns that trade him east three first round picks, not the Lakers. And you got to get another star in their prime, especially one that's not injury prone. So that's where we are now. A Diana Rossini, NFL Insider Top of the hour. I'm also going to have my four or five bold playoff predictions in the NBA. I think there's going to be an upset in the first round. Now, there's not a lot of them in the NBA playoffs because you're playing seven games, which I think is way too many. I think if you cut it down to three in the first round, five in the second in the conference finals and seven in the finals, it's more engaging. I mean, you see the ratings college basketball gets, men's college basketball and the product's not very good. I mean, the college March Madness finals getting huge numbers. The product's not very good. If you're, if you have any offensive skill, you're off to the NBA in one year or you're going to the G League. So college basketball is coaching and defense and inartistic and ugly and a lot of missed shots. NBA product is much better, but there's not as much urgency. So you can miss games. It doesn't matter you lose the opener. But I do think there's an upset in the offing. We'll do that. Top of the hour. Coming up next. Remember when Rory wouldn't talk to Bryson DeChambeau? We found out the reason. 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[Colin Cowherd]

So remember when that story came out? So there are certain golfers who are very much connected to the fans and then there are other golfers. You know, Tiger woods in his prime was pretty laser focused. And, you know, some NBA players will chat with the fans. Some guys are very focused and are not into the fans. Russell Westbrook's not really into the fans. So Bryson DeChambeau, after the masters, was asked about the winner, who he played with On Sunday, Roy McElroy. Did you speak to him in there? How's he doing? Do you know?

[Will]

No idea. Didn't talk to me once all day. But he was just like, ah, just being focused, I guess.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, we find out that many top golfers and athletes have sports psychologists on the payroll, that Bob Rotella, the sports psychologist for Rory McIlroy, told him, do not engage with Bryson DeChambeau. It was an assignment. Do not engage. Do not speak to him at all. So as predicted, I said two days ago, I think it was by design. I think silence is intimidating. Mike Tyson wasn't real chatty with those black trunks, the hoodie and silence walking into a ring. Silence is intimidating. A chatty Uber driver is a distracted Uber driver. Bob, thanks for the story. You just flew past my gate. Yeah. You sit on a plane with somebody for four hours and they're chatty. Sally. It's less impressive. It's always more impressive when somebody for four hours is looking at a screen getting work done. It's like, oh, that's impressive. And I look at this and I think Bryson DeChambeau came in. It's a classic example, garden variety projection. You see this all the time. Dennis Rodman played the tough guy to play the tough guy. They were breaking down in tears all the time. It's a shield. And DeChambeau, sometimes very braggy, very. A lot of hubris. I'm the guy, very showy. And by the way, I like him much more now than I did two years ago, when he was bragging about 17 egg omelets for breakfast and power shakes, I think he's gotten much more likable and relatable, and the fans like him. And. And. And Rory, by the way, is not as engaging with the fans. Whatever. Whatever works for you. You don't have to be engaged. There's ropes out there for a reason. But it's interesting. Now we find out that his sports psychologist said, no, we're. We're not going to engage in this stuff. Focus, silence. And I think, to be honest with you, silence is intimidating. I. I think when people get chatty. My take's always been when people get real chatty, they're nervous. That's why when you sit next to people on a plane, that they're chatty. They don't fly a lot or they're nervous. Flyers, they've got anxiety. It's a stress relief. They want reassurance. They want to put themselves in a better mood. People that fly a lot don't chat a lot. They're usually busy. They're professionals. They're adults. They're working. They put their head down and go to work. So it was a plan. It worked. And by the way, the guy that wanted to talk, Bryson DeChambeau, he unraveled. His game was a mess all weekend. The difference was he putted really well up to Sunday, but Bryson's game was an unravel. It unraveled multiple times. He had distance issues. He struggled with his irons. He couldn't keep his driver in the fairway. He putted great until Sunday when he said the greens were too fast. It's Augusta. They're always swift. So it's just. It's just interesting. The projection on this is that Rory is stoic. Rory's not any fun. No, it was an assignment. Head down. It's going to be a rough day. There's a lot of pressure. Whereas when DeChambeau unraveled, he just unraveled for the rest of the afternoon. When Rory unraveled with a shot, he got his act back together, because in my opinion, he was more focused. So I'm watching. You know, it's really interesting. We'll have a bite in a second. Draymond Green talked about Jimmy Butler's performance. So Butler was great last night, and there's always been this, you know, playoff Jimmy. And it's true, like, he is. He is absolutely a different player. But I'm watching Steph Curry last night, and they're very, very lucky. Steph Curry hit Back to back threes late, and that's why they won. And the Memphis Grizzlies, who fired their coach not long ago, couldn't get the ball inbounds on an inbound play. And that was basically the sealer. So, Steph. Steph Curry, I'm thinking, you know, he's got a little Tom Cruise, where he's still filling the arenas, he's still filling the theaters, but I'm not sure how many Mission Impossibles are left. He's still hitting threes, he's still magnetic. There's nobody like him in the entire industry, but there are a lot of elements shrinking around him. And Draymond's older and Jimmy Butler's older, and this team, Kaminga is not a bust, but doesn't fit. And thank God for Jimmy Butler last night. But I think because Curry is so productive and so popular, it's like Cruise, Tom can get movies made, and he can fill. He can fill theaters, and almost nobody outside of Christopher Nolan or a James Cameron, the director can. And so it's like you just keep making. You keep making these big $250 million budget movies with Cruise because it still works in a dying industry. I mean, there's stories all over Hollywood, businesses leaving town. Hollywood's done. But Cruz is still relevant and dynamic, and Phil's theaters, and I love Steph so much, but this team, they need more players. Thank God for Jimmy Butler. Draymond talked about this after the game. Playoff. Jimmy is a real thing.

[Will]

Yeah, he different. Like a. He's different. You can just see a whole different intensity level and focus. And, you know, we've. I'm a basketball fan, you know, so I've watched it on TV for years to see it up close and personal.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like, it's a real thing.

[Will]

You know, sometimes you get an NBA and like, these guys come get these nicknames, and you like, man, stop it. Like, there's some other nicknames out there. They not real.

[Colin Cowherd]

That one's real.

[Will]

And I'm happy he on our side.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I mean, I. I think you have to understand, even in football, regular season football is different than playoffs. Football is different than conference championship and super bowl football. We all know that. But in the NBA season, I mean, you're seeing right now the Dodgers can't hit. In baseball, well, the season's 162 games. It's double the NBA. You can't ask Freddie Freeman to be locked in for six months. It's just not the way it works. You're traveling constantly. I get tired after One flight from Chicago to la. I'm down for a day. I mean, Major League baseball, you got 20 road trips. You're playing in the sun, outdoors, you're an athlete, you're working out. Like, these seasons are really long. And for the NBA, for teams like the warriors, where the three best players are all their old guys, they look tired last night. But, you know, after Steph and Jimmy Butler, there's not a lot there offensively. And those KD rumors were floating around for about a week until KB KD put a kibosh on it. But Butler talked about being Robin to Steph's Batman last night.

[Will]

I think any team has a chance when I'm on a team, but I know that every team has a chance if Steph's on the team. So I get to play Robin. That's my Batman.

[Colin Cowherd]

And I think you're a little bit trapped with Steph Curry. If you're the Warriors. It's a little like Jeter in New York, where he's just too popular to move off him now. Brady in the NFL is much crueler about that. Like, at some point, everybody moves. You know, Johnny Unitis eventually came out and played West. I mean, that's just the way the NFL is. Joe Montana got shipped out of San Francisco. But there are. There are sports, like basketball. I don't know what you do with Steph Curry. Could you get a haul for him? You could get something for him, but Draymond's older and expensive. Butler's older and expensive. Steph still great, older and expensive, and he's still productive. And they're going to make the playoffs, and they're favored to win a playoff series. But there's. I'm watching them last night. I'm like, this is. This is one of the last Mission Impossibles. Like, this may be. There may be one left. This may be it. This may be the last playoff series. If they beat Houston and they're favored to. I think they're going to lose. But if they beat Houston, I currently constructed. I don't know if they're. They're capable of winning another playoff series with this group. I just don't know if they are. And you see this all the time. The Clippers got really hot at the end of the regular season. I'd slow down on that, though. And I kind of fell for it with the warriors because Jimmy Butler arrived. It's a honeymoon period. They're playing with a ton of energy. That's what Butler brings. And they started rolling over bad teams. But Somebody told me this years ago in the NBA, once you get to the last 30 days of the NBA season, half the league is tanking and half are resting starters for the playoffs. So there's a lot of W's there. If you're engaged and you're playing for seating, and there's always a, you know, Boston wasn't, Cleveland's not. But there could be teams out there like the Pacers or the Clippers, they're playing for seating. Remember how good the Lakers were when Luka and LeBron played together for about the first six, seven games? The energy they played with defensively. And then LeBron, they go to Boston, they're getting beat. Tweaks, a groin comes back. LeBron's planted about 75%, 80% speed. They weren't as good defensively. They didn't communicate as well without LeBron. And you're like, okay, they're just waiting for the playoffs. So, I mean, they won that thing last night, but it took. It took Jimmy Butler playing out of his mind and basically a Ja Morant twisted ankle, and they couldn't get a ball inbounds, which if they had their coach, who they got rid of a month ago, they probably would have. So nobody can trust Memphis in this league. They're talented. I. I will say this. The Zach Edie thing is interesting to me because two years ago, nobody thought Zach Edie could play in the NBA. And people like Mark Few and Dan Hurley in college said if he can't play in the NBA, that's an NBA problem. Zach Edie is a problem. He's offensively, he's got a long way to go. But you could see in that game, Golden State didn't want to challenge him. They didn't want to go to the rim with him. So Zach Edie can play, and I think his length is what Houston's going to offer the warriors, and they're going to struggle with it if the games are close. That's where Golden State. Golden State's got very good clutch, analytic numbers. They're very good in close games. But Houston will blow out Golden State in more than one game in this series. They're too long, deep, athletic. They dominate the glass. They're going to get second and third opportunities. The Rockets manned it with a better point differential and lose the series. But if there are blowouts, and they also. The Rockets also defend the three brilliantly, I think top two or three in the league, it's hard to get good looks against them. And again, you watch the warriors last night. They are dependent down the stretch on Curry hitting threes. So Houston is going to win some games in this series and there'll be nights when you're like, wow, Golden State is completely outmanned. The games are close. You're going to take the old team down the stretch. You're going to take Kerr, Draymond, Butler, Steph. Close game. So I think it goes six or seven. I'm going to take Houston in the upset.

[Will]

I like the Warriors. I actually thought it was good to be encouraging last night from the Warriors. I watched that game and I saw they had not one but two elite closers. Draymond played that perfect role where he's setting screens handouts for Steph Catalyst and I thought they defended enough. You mentioned jaw that injury. Yes, but they were so good and efficient offensively in the half court. That's what wins playoff games. I I can't trust Houston to do that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's what the odds makers believe. Odds makers are with you. They can't trust Houston. And my take is there's not going to be as many close games in this series as people think.

[Will]

That's why you trust the Rockets.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Will]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Will]

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[Will]

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