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John Middlecomp, who has been so great filling in this week. J. Mac comes back tomorrow. John's been crushing, crushing it. Rick Fetino in one hour from now. Everybody tried. When Louis Carneseca left to rebuild St. John's he did virtually overnight. They were one of the most entertaining teams in the country. So he's got a great sense of the draft. We have one star player and then there's about 10 guys that people think could become really high end players, all stars. How deep of a draft is it? I don't think, you know, these days. I don't know. But I want to start with this. I believe John, the college basketball and I, and I thought this about two years ago. College basketball is having a renaissance for the previous 20 years. I mean, you'd have guys that would win college player of the year, they'd go to the NBA and they're the fourth guy off a bench, the third guy off the bench. I believe between nil keeping really good college players in college for another year or two and that nil money going to Europe and Spain and poaching their best young players. I noticed that two years ago with a Yukon team that had like seven NBA guys and I'm like, okay, that team could compete against the Christian Laitner Duke team. That team could play against a Ewing Hoya team size, aggressiveness, coaching NBA guards. And we've seen their players come to the NBA and crush. So my take is about two years ago I'm like, okay, we're back to what I remember in college in my 20s and early 30s, where a college basketball team, if they were great, they had like five guys that could play in the NBA, legitimate players. So Cooper Flag is the best domestic product I think. I think he has a more well rounded game than Anthony Davis or a Carmelo Anthony. The last two, the last decade we've had two stars, two stars, be a number one pick. Wemby and Zion were stars. Small markets and bad rosters. Cooper Flag is going to Dallas. Dallas has the deepest front line in the NBA. P.J. washington, Daniel Gafford, Anthony Davis, who I think is the best defensive player in the league. Derek Lively, 4 Guy, he doesn't have to defend the rim like in these highlights. He can get out on transition. He doesn't have to worry about. And he's a good defender. He's going to be out in transition. Dallas also needs, because they have size, but they need more ball handlers, playmakers, guys who can shoot. Klay Thompson's getting old, so I think he's a perfect fit. This is very rare. Just like Duke, he's going to walk in and he's not going to waste four years waiting for the coaching staff, the draft picks to develop. And that's what Wemby is having to do. And San Antonio is going to be really good eventually. But what do they win? 34 games last year, this team, I believe, along with Oklahoma City and now Houston with kd, I think Dallas, if Kyrie Irving comes back at any point next year with Cooper Flag and that front line, I think that's a team good enough to play for the Western Conference finals championship. So the, you know, top NBA teams, you know, they don't get the best draft picks. The last draft I remember where you got a top pick for a top team was when, honestly it was Jason Tatum was a top three pick. He went to the Celtics. He was good. And Cooper Flag is going to be good. Now. I think Cooper Flag is a better defender at this point than Jason Tatum, and he's more aggressive than Jayson Tatum. And, and aggressive matters. I mean, one of the great qualities of Michael Jordan, he was just aggressive. Kobe was aggressive, Shaq was aggressive. Some of our guys now, they're more collaborative. They're AAU guys. It takes a while for it to work. They want to be good teammates. I mean, our biggest criticism of Jason Tatum is, would you take the ball? Would you take the final shot? So Cooper Flagg has an old school. This kid was a high school phenom in Maine. And if you read his life story, they very early started having him play like a European player against older players. They were beating him up. His trainer was beating him up. And this kid was super hyper aggressive playing against older players at 15, 16, 17. So he's got an old school physicality and an old school aggressiveness with a really, really nice handle, good length, nice shot. He's got the modern skills, but the old school mentality and that Jayson Tatum Celtics remember as a rookie, they got to the Eastern Conference finals. In fact, one of the most iconic moves in the history of Jason Tatum's career. Remember that early dunk is a rookie. Remember that he got that early dunk on LeBron James. That's his rookie year. And I think Cooper Flag, he's not as good as Jason Tatum now, and he's not going to be as good as Jason Tatum for a while. But defensively, aggressiveness, this dude can play. And he, he's not going to be the Mavericks foundation today, but I would say at the end of his second year, he's that good. Remember, he should be in high school right now. He should be walking on the stage getting his diploma. So this is, to me, this is a really exciting draft. There's a couple of Rutgers guys to keep your eye on. There's a couple other Dukeys, there's a kid from Arizona I like. But this draft is about Cooper Flag going to a really, really good team with an a coach. And LeBron James this week was talking about how good he'll be and what a perfect fit it is for him. He has the benefit, unlike myself. He gets to join a team that's established, right, with hall of Fame guys. Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving right off the bat, hall of Fame coach Jason Kidd, that type of presence, that type of leadership, that type of, you know, just basketball IQ and knowledge around him every single day from those, those pieces. So I think he's going to be amazing. I mean, what happens usually with a top pick is they come in at 18 or 19 and they have to be the centerpiece of the team, at least the second best player. But they also have to be uniquely mature. And Ja Morant and Zion weren't. Jason Tatum wasn't asked to do that. They had a good rate gm, they had a good coach, they had a good roster. Jayson Tatum came in and it was like, hey, kid, can you add your youth, your energy, your legs to a really good team and give us a spark in key moments? That's all that Cooper Flagg has to do with a more aggressive old school mindset than Tatum. He's going to be a great player. I can't wait. Rick Patino in one hour from now. Okay, so yesterday, Aaron Rodgers, Pat McAfee show comes out and says, this probably going to be it. This is the last year I'm playing and I was thinking about this this morning. It's just incredible. Maybe it's the water in Green Bay because Brett Favre is from the deep south and Aaron Rodgers is California cool. And what is remarkable if Aaron has some success this year. And I'll talk about that in a second. Aaron Rodgers and Favre had identical careers. And let's let's face it, the Steelers over under is eight and a half. They can absolutely win nine or 10 games. They won 10 games last year and terrible on offense. Now I think they're going to pull back. But they have a number one receiver, great culture, good coach, excellent defense. Joe Burrow goes down. They have the second best roster in the division to the Ravens. They could certainly make the playoffs. But I want to take you through the ABCs of Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Similarities, it's crazy. So they both enter Green Bay as backups and then eventually one due to an injury and one due to far leaving B. They eventually get the starting job and immediately you see A plus talent. The game Favre came in for an injured quarterback, he led him to a late game victory. Aaron's first year, he goes 6 and 10, but everybody's like, whoa, whoa, this guy is good. C Both have profound decade and a half packer seasons. Favre for 16 years, Aaron for 15. And in their prime, John Madden fell in love with Favre, felt he was the most talented quarterback and Aaron wasn't posting all the trophies that that, that Tom was. But the feeling was Aaron's the most talented thrower of the football in the league. That's what we thought about Favre. D1 they both win one Super bowl and multiple MVPs were left with both thinking, should they want a little more E they both get a little weird, a little prickly, a little testy with management. They don't want to learn new systems. You hear this kind of early retirement talk and you're like, far Aaron, you guys got years left. F they go to the jets and it's a disaster. So you say, well, Colin Farre went to a really good team in Minnesota. Well, Aaron wanted to go to Minnesota. But do you remember the Minnesota team Favre went to? They won 10 games the year before he got there. Well, what, what did the Steelers do this past year? They won 10 games before Aaron signed up. So most of us learned from the Alphabet. Aaron Rodgers learned from the alpha. Brett. It's the same career. If Aaron can win nine or 10 games and squeeze into the playoffs. Remember, Cleveland's in a reboot. Baltimore's the best. You are fighting Cincinnati, which has had constant controversy with contracts. Their, their number one pick may not show up to the team. Their defensive and pass rushers, Furious Joe Burrow has a history of not getting great protection, being upset and getting dinged up. It's very possible they're battling a New England. They're battling a Houston or an Indianapolis for a wild card spot. So, you know, I mean, Listen, they won 10 games last year. They have the 23rd offense with Aaron. You think it's, it's going to be around middle of the league. They got DK Metcalf. They have, they have a, maybe the second or third best center. Arthur Smith appears capable. Aaron at the end in New York played okay, some thought good. Okay. So it just, to me, it's so funny. I, I don't know if it's the water in Green Bay, but you couldn't find two personalities that are more different. Sort of the Southern good old boy Favre and the California hipster with a chip on his shoulder. Aaron. And they have morphed into the exact same career. A decade and a half. We thought they should have won another super bowl in their prime. We're thought of as the cool quarterback. Peyton Manning and Brady weren't cool. Favre was cool, Aaron was cool. And here they are at the end. Aaron wins 10 games, sneaks into the playoffs. It will look, you'll look at this thing 20 years later and think how did that end up the exact same? John, you know a lot about those Packers. I don't think they're going to win 10 games, but I also think I've been doubting the Steelers for three years in a row and they keep winning nine and 10 games.