JMac (3:33)

Yeah. I mean, the Brooklyn Nets had five first round picks. Everybody was expecting a trade. They take five guys, like, who knows what they're going to be next year.

Colin Cowherd (3:41)

All right, so my take is there's two guys in this draft that you will see immediately, and that's because they're going to good teams. Cooper, flag in Dallas. He's going to score 18 to 20 a game, I think, very quickly, and he'll be on a good team. I think Dallas is really good. And I think V. J Edgecomb, who goes to the Sixers, again, it's a good roster, good gm, good coach. They're going to he. That kid jumps off the television. NBA skills, athletic traits. Those guys will play that. Dylan Harper goes number two. I think he has a great future, but I think it's going to take him a while to kind of figure out he's young, figure out his fit with San Antonio. But in the NFL draft, you are plugging in holes immediately, often with second, third, fourth, fifth rounders. That's why with this draft, I can't get too high, I can't get too low. I mean, for God's sakes, I'm told Portland drafted me. So who knows? SGA went 11th. He was your finals MVP. Jokic went second round. So did Draymond Green. Giannis went 15th. I think Kawhi went 15th. Halliburton went 12th by Sacramento. So once, one or two times a year, it's not just projection, or if it is, they go to good teams. You'll see them play. But if you go back 20 years, there's only been two number one picks who have been MVPs. One's obviously LeBron and then Derrick Rose. I do think this. I thought San Antonio kind of crushed it. And my take is it used to be in the 70s and 80s, if you had a dominant center, a Wilt, a Kareem, a Bill Walton, you could win a championship. And then, and then in the 80s and 90s, it was like even Michael Jordan needed a Hall of Fame level number two. You know, Shaq and Kobe, and it's Jordan and Pippin, and it's Duncan and Parker. And then you could stack teams for a few years. And the NBA didn't like that, right? Kevin Durant, Steph. People didn't like that. Now I think we've moved into a different area. I would call it the core four. Because of the new CBA and aprons, you can't stack it with All Stars. You have to draft and develop. So, for instance, I would say Indiana's got Halliburton when he comes back, Pascal Siakam, rim protector, Miles Turner and Emhardt. I think Orlando's got a really, really good core for Bankero Wagner, Jalen Suggs, and they went and got Bain from Memphis okc, Lou Dort, who I think is undrafted sga. Chet Holmgren and J Dub. I think the spurs now have a really, really good core four. So Wemby's your size. He'll be scoring size, block shots. Stefan Castle is going to be defense and distribution. And then they go get Dylan Harper, number two. I think by his second year in the NBA, he's going to be a real score. And then they got Carter Bryant. Carter. Bryant's the guy I talked about for the last month. He's the one guy. I think it's a bit underrated in the draft. I don't know if Carter Bryant. Bryant's going to be a good NBA score, but that dude is long from Arizona and he's going to. He is going to defend day one. Like, he's disruptive. But, you know, I. I look at international guys. I look at domestic guys. 18 years old. Remember, women mature more quickly than boys. I mean, a lot of parents have a teenage son at 17. Are they going to be valedictorian or are you going to be getting them out of juvie? You really don't know. By 15 years old, you get a sense what your daughter is. So I don't know what to do with the NBA draft, Rick. I do think there's two guys that will come in good teams. Cooper, flag VJ Edgecomb, jump off the tv. We all watch them in March. We all know they can play because they're on good teams that'll make the playoffs. Cooper will make it in Dallas, Vijay will make it in Philadelphia, in the East. Here's Rick Patino on both yesterday. Well, he's physically ready, he's extremely athletic, he shoots the basketball. He's a tough young man and he's maybe one of like three players that are ready to have an impact right away for the Dallas Mavericks. He's ready for the NBA and I think he'll be an impact basketball player right away. So you faced VJ Edgecomb from Baylor. Okay. What did you see that you like as a pro and is there anything he needs to work on as a pro? Vijay is, is a tremendous athlete. Fast, he plays way, way above the rim, he's lightning quick in the open court. He's got an average to good jump shot. He needs a lot of work on his jump shot. But that being said, most guys when they go to the NBA from being declared non shooters become great shooters by the time they're in their second third year in the NBA. So Rick Patino knows hoops. Those are the two guys. I think next year you'll see them on tv, they're on playoff teams and they'll score. I want to talk about Cooper flag. So actually number one picks in the NBA obviously Anthony Bennett, Markel Fultz were just big misses. But if you, if you go to the last 10 domestic number one picks, most of them hit. Zion Williamson lacked maturity. Markel Fultz, I don't know what that was. John Wall to me was never a winning player. I mean he, he once like in 2018 left and they went on a five game winning streak. I thought he was just talented. But most of these guys, Blake, Derrick Rose, ad, Anthony Edwards, Cade Bank, Carl's a stud. Kyrie Irving, most of them work. And what's pretty clear, what's really clear to me, there's only one warning sign that almost always comes to fruition if a guy's got an attitude. Ben Simmons, very early. Yikes. Deandre Ayton, very early, doesn't play well with others. This Ace Bailey guy going to Utah like wouldn't work out for teams. Looked like he was unhappy getting drafted. Like I know everybody said he could be the second best player in the draft, but I don't care about your altitude, I don't care how high you jump. If I don't like your attitude, it doesn't work. So if you start looking at number one picks international or domestic, the guys that don't work usually just aren't ready for the moment. A lot of it's maturity, you know, I mean, Zion, he just couldn't control his weight, his personal life. The Ace Bailey to me, looks like trouble. I. My guess is I like Danny Ainge a lot and he was probably too good not to draft. But I think that's the one thing, the one warning sign to me, I mean, you got to have more self awareness. You have not played in the NBA, you haven't even played a summer league game. And Ace Bailey looks like he's not interested. But as far as Cooper Flag goes, this looks like another hit. And even more than the NFL, the number one pick in the draft, there's been a couple of misses, bad misses. Most of the time it works. And here's Cooper Flag. I'm excited to be a sponge, to get down there and just learn, be surrounded by, you know, hall of Fame caliber guys and just to be able to learn from them. It's going to be an incredible experience. I feel so blessed, you know, to be in the position I am and just to get down there. Like I said, be a sponge, learn and try and grow my game as much as I can. Yeah, I, I don't know if we're getting better at the draft. I do think, and I'll talk about this later, and I've talked about this sort of ad nauseam in the last couple of months, Jay, is that I do think you start looking at the picks. It was a very domestic driven draft. I think you're going to see more of that because I think what's happening, the universities in America that make March badness, the NIL is allowing them to buy the best European players at 17 and 18 and the other top players in the college basketball, many, maybe three or four or five or six a year now, are staying for another year and not going to the G League because now the NIL pays more than the G League and the coaching's better. So I think last night's draft, if anything, I don't know if it's a great draft, but I do think drafts will start looking more like this, that even if it's an international player, he'll have played at Oklahoma or Illinois or Michigan or, you know, Kentucky. I and I think, let's be honest, that helps. It does help. If you have March Madness or big games at Duke or Connecticut or Arizona or Gonzaga and they make television, it helps your branding. Part of why we love sports and the NFL, because Tim Tebow, whether he can play or not, comes into the NFL and he's the number one jersey seller or Reggie Bush. And I think a, I think a big part of the NFL's advantage over the NBA is we love the players before they get to pro football. So I think last night's draft is the beginning of a really good trend. We'll have watched almost all these guys, even the international guys mostly will have seen them in March. Yeah.

JMac (12:55)

And you had the great point a couple weeks ago about the international young teenagers now coming to the US to play college basketball. And I think branding is also part of it, in addition to the nil. And you know, that trend of, hey, European players at the top of the draft that nobody knows, maybe that cycle is over and now we're transitioning back to American players. And listen, I know there's Cooper. Flag is divisive. Colin. People are like comparing him to Christian Laettner and stuff. Yeah, I think, I don't think people have watched this kid. He is unbelievable.

Colin Cowherd (13:24)

He is.

JMac (13:25)

And this attitude, you could hear, hear him in the interview. He's going to be dominant. And I like Dallas a lot next year. I don't know.

Colin Cowherd (13:31)

I mean, like, listen, Anthony Bennett and Markelle F work, but by and large, considering how little you've seen the guys play before draft night, I mean, a lot of these guys come out at 18. NBA does a pretty good job of nailing their number one picks. I mean, Blake Griffin, probably, he was dynamic. Maybe he's not as good as you thought, but Blake Griffin had a great career. He was one of the most talked about and commercialized players over his career. So there's not a lot of huge misses. And it, it's usually an attitude to. Anthony Bennett's one of the few guys that you're like, and I remember that draft, it was a horrible draft and nobody knew what to do with it and it just didn't work. But by and large, basketball does a pretty good job of identifying often at 14 years old, Kobe, LeBron, Luka, at 14, 15, way before they come into the draft, who the best player is. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco Show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to this show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't Listen to this show so it can get canceled. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie. Ignore that fool. Listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. He's still moving.

Malcolm Gladwell (15:03)

Malcolm Gladwell here. I recently recorded the first episode of Smart Talks with IBM, where I learned how AI agents are joining AI assistants as a major productivity tool. Let's start with AI agents. AI agents can reason, plan, and collaborate with other AI tools to autonomously perform tasks for a user. Brian Bitzel, an expert from IBM, gave me an example of how a college freshman might use an AI agent as a new student.

Brian Bissell (15:31)

You may not know how do I deal with my health and wellness issue? How many credits am I going to get for this given class? You could talk to someone and find out some of that, but maybe it's a little bit sensitive and you don't.

Colin Cowherd (15:42)

Want to do that.

Malcolm Gladwell (15:43)

Bissell told me. You could build an AI agent, a resource for new students that helps them navigate a new campus, register for classes, access the services they need, and even schedule appointments on their behalf, which in turn buys them more time to focus on their actual schoolwork.

Brian Bissell (16:00)

We can see patterns of how agents and assistants can help employees and customers and end users be more productive, automate workflows so they're not doing certain types of repetitive work over and over again and streamlining their lives and making data more accessible to them 24 hours a day.

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JMac (23:53)

All right, Colin, you know, I know you banned Shador Sanders last week, but he's back because The Cleveland Browns 4 quarterback situation is really percolating now. TJ Husbandzada was on the facility yesterday and he said it ain't gonna be Shador. All signs currently point to Kenny Pickett getting the week one nod.

Colin Cowherd (24:15)

If Kenny Pickett starts, then that shows me Stefanski feels. Kevin Stefanski feels like his job may be on the line. If he starts Shador, he know he has a little leeway. We can develop this guy because if you start Kenny Pickett, it's as if we have to win out. I was told Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel going, one of those two are going to be the starter. I was told this a long time ago by somebody in the building. Yeah, and I, I, I, I would love to say Kevin Stefanski, safe. Because I think he's a really good coach. I think he's had to deal with a lot of nonsense. I know people that know Andrew Barry. I don't, but I have GMs that really like Andrew Barry. I think Stefanski's, you know, he's like an Ivy League guy, super bright, had to deal with nonsense upstairs. But I mean, I think I Think you have to do like the Celtics this year rebooting now, they'll be really good because the Celtics are the Celtics. But I do think you have to go into years. You don't want to have to say it publicly. It's a reboot year for Cleveland. They have two first round picks is, I mean, I, I think they're better off playing Dylan Gabriel and Shadour early. So you can show the owner yet next year we're going to draft another quarterback despite the fact that we drafted two this year. Like I said this with Jackson Dart, next year could be a five to six first round quarterback draft. You have to convince the owner when you draft a quarterback, we're going to draft another one. So I would rather put Jackson Dart in early, let the owner watch it and you don't have to convince him. I know, I know. We just drafted this guy. I want Dylan Gabriel and Shador to play. So the guy upstairs is like, yeah, that's not good enough to beat Joe Burrow in our division. And Lamar Jackson.

JMac (26:05)

Yeah. The tough problem, Colin, is, you know, these coaches want veteran quarterbacks. They win with veterans. It's tough to win with rookies. Especially Dylan Gabriel, a third rounder who according to you is just too small to see over the line. So if you start Gabriel, you're waving the white flag on the season, are you not? This ain't Jaden Daniels, okay? This isn't Bo Nix like we like Dylan Gabriel. But if you start him, you're essentially saying, we're not going to the playoffs. We just got to see what we got.

Colin Cowherd (26:31)

Well, is Dylan Gabriel just a slightly smaller Tua? I mean, I guess, is that his perfect comp, that, you know, left hander, accurate undersized moves. Okay.

JMac (26:43)

Tua was an elite recruit, top five pick, you know, led Alabama to the promised land. Like Dylan Gabriel was a good college quarterback. I don't know that you can compare the two, can you not?

Colin Cowherd (26:55)

Probably not. I'm just trying. When I watch him play, I always thought, because I always watch these college guys and think, what's their pro comp? Undersized, moves, a little left hander, pretty accurate, throws a pretty ball without, you know, not a guy that's going to fire it in cold weather, windy weather up north like so I thought he was a weird choice for a cold weather team. In Cleveland, like Cleveland, if you go look at football, Brady had a big arm, Big Ben had a big arm. Flacco's got a big arm. Look at the northeast, Drake May's a Guy with a big arm in northern climates. I'm not going to take an undersized guy with an average arm. Two works in Miami or a dome. Drew Brees works in a dome. Drew Brees. I mean, go look at. Go look at Green Bay, historically, Jordan Love, Farven, Aaron, big time arms. That's what works in cold weather.

JMac (27:40)

Let me ask you, Shador, right now it's trending toward, hey, week one, he's probably going to be inactive.

Colin Cowherd (27:46)

Okay.

JMac (27:47)

They asked Deion Sanders about this in Colorado. You think he's going to chime in? I can't believe my kids not even dressed for the Cleveland. Colin. This is a dicey situation for Stefanski. We still have to see the preseason, but right now, with hearing this report, Pickett or Gabriel, they're probably not going to have four quarterbacks week one, are they?

Colin Cowherd (28:05)

No, no, no, no. It's a weak roster. They'll carry two. Probably.

JMac (28:10)

Yeah. All right, let's move on to the NBA with the Celtics. Colin. They've been making big moves this week, moving off Porzingis and Holiday and potentially making more moves. There are reports that Jaylen Brown is floating around and Derrick White maybe. But following the draft last night, listen to what Brad Stevens said. This is huge for the future of the NBA. Talking about the dreaded second apron.

Colin Cowherd (28:36)

I think the second apron basketball penalties are real, and I'm not sure I understood how real until they were staring me in the face in the last month. So I do think that there's, you know, I think that, that, that can't be overstated. Obviously, anytime you make trades, those are tough. Those are tough con. But I do, you know, I tried my best to. I've tried my best to communicate in general that just, you know, what our priorities were that I talked about here.

JMac (29:07)

So, Colin, real quick, let me just give you the numbers. According to some of these capologists who track this stuff, the Celtics, with those two moves, got out of the repeater tax and essentially saved the franchise around $200 million.

Colin Cowherd (29:21)

Yep.

JMac (29:21)

Okay, this. That is insanity.

Colin Cowherd (29:25)

Yeah. No, no, I, I saw the same numbers you did. And I mean, clearly ownership told him. Yeah, and. And they should have. Hey, we. You got to shave 200 some million dollars off this. And for the record, I would have moved off. Poor Zingis. Can't trust his health. Drew Holiday got. We. I talked about this with John. Drew Holiday got old really fast over the last. The second half of the season. So I think the moves. I spent some time on this yesterday. This is what Boston does. Boston Reboots and is still conference champion viable. I mean, they. I. You start look at no Halliburton. Nick's gonna have a second tier coach. You start looking at injuries. In the East, I never trust Philly. I think Cleveland will be good. I'm not sure. Tatum's gone, but I still think that roster with Pritchard.

JMac (30:15)

Let me give you their starting lineup. Colin, before you say anything, Derek White and Anthony Simons in the backcourt.

Colin Cowherd (30:21)

Yeah.

JMac (30:21)

The front court is Jalen Brown, George Niang and Luke Cornette.

Colin Cowherd (30:26)

Yeah.

JMac (30:26)

That is not sniffing 50 wins. Well, remember, not even.

Colin Cowherd (30:29)

This is, this is the East 44 gets you the third seed. Miami didn't get KD. I mean, in the west, Detroit could be coming up. Orlando's gonna be good.

JMac (30:41)

Very good. Yeah, I, I don't. I mean, listen, Peyton Pritchard obviously is good and he's going to play a lot, but I don't like what the NBA did, man. The second apron is total garbage. And, and, and the Celtics having to dump guys two years after an unbelievable run, looking like they were set up for the future. And now here it is. Hey, we don't want to write a check for $80 million.

Colin Cowherd (31:01)

No, but you know what, stupid? I think the NBA is going to look more like the NFL, where it's virtually impossible. Nobody wins three in a row. It's almost impossible. Not even Brady and Belichick won back to backs. The NFL does. You can't win back to back. You have to move off people. So the NBA, which has always felt like big cities, coastal areas, stacked rosters win. Adam Silver's like, no, no. The NFL's got it right. Eight teams every year with a chance to win. Health plays a big factor. Coaching and bench plays a big factor. That. That's the NFL.

JMac (31:39)

The problem is the NBA's never had that. In the 80s it was like four teams. Right in the 90s it was like two. And in the last decade, it's whatever, whoever's a super team.

Colin Cowherd (31:48)

But remember in the 80s, the NBA was still trying to get great TV deals. Go look at Magic and Michael Jordan's contracts. They made nothing in the 80s. So the reality is the league is much healthier. 76. I mean, think of this. 11 years, $76 billion. It's an insane number. That doesn't count what teams are going to make in parking, in suites, in advertising, in radio, tv. Locally. So I. It's just, it's a different league. And I think Adam Silver has said we're going to copy the NFL A little bit. Very punitive. Anybody can win every year.

JMac (32:28)

Final story, Colin is a big moment happened in the draft last night. Obviously, Cooper Flag went one, but the Grizzlies made a trade with the Blazers to move up to the 11th pick and make this dramatic selection.

Colin Cowherd (32:42)

So the Portland Trail Blazers select Colin Coward here. Wow.

JMac (32:50)

Colin. Hey, congrats. You're going home to Portland. You're loving Northwest.

Colin Cowherd (32:56)

Well, but they traded me to Memphis. Oh, that was. I was very excited for about five minutes.

JMac (33:03)

They got the jersey there. You and the Portland gear on it. Where'd you get those pipes, man? Geez. You back on creation.

Colin Cowherd (33:10)

I felt bad because Malika does a great job. That was one of those. Well, it's one of those moments that you regret. And of all people, she had to.

JMac (33:18)

You and I have never. We've never messed up a name ever on television.

Colin Cowherd (33:21)

Yeah. I've never done that in my career.

JMac (33:24)

It just doesn't happen.

Colin Cowherd (33:25)

I think there's websites dedicated to us. Malika, you're great. That's funny and all good. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. So I. I saw this story. Now, I. I don't know who this is. The staff does reporter Scoop B. Robinson on the Zach Gelb show Tuesday. So I'm a. Staff says legit. Basically, he was a guest on a show. Scoop was. That's a very appropriate name for a guy scooping stuff. Right, Right. I mean, I got drafted by Portland Scoop of scooping people. So, anyway, he says the. Jason Kidd wants the Knicks job. First of all, you'd be crazy to take the Knicks job and leave the Dallas Mavericks number one, Cooper flag by midway year two. He's better than everybody on the Knicks, and you're not paying him for years. Secondly, Dallas has the best front line in the NBA, and their best young guy after AD Is Derek Lively from Duke, and he's on a rookie contract. So you have massive debt. I mean, the bigs for New York. One can't score and the other can't defend. Kyrie Irving, the best small finisher in the league, will come off an injury Clay can catch and shoot. And the other thing is, no. James Dolan. James Dolan's impulsive. Doesn't mean he's a bad owner. But, boy, when he was building the sphere and he wasn't paying attention to the Knicks, they got really good, really fast. So if you look around American sports, I always love it how everybody's always saying, oh, this manager wants the Yankees. There is no American city that in the last decade that has spent more money and got less for it than New York City. Can be the Giants, it can be the Brooklyn Nets, it can be the jets, it can be the New York Mets, it can be the Yankees. Nobody spends like New York and gets less in return. So this idea that Jason Kidd. Oh he is itching for this folks. The next right now have very clear ceilings. Brunson and cat on the floor is not great. Robinson can't score as a big cat, can't defend all the Dallas guys can defend AD more than any of them. And then, and then Cooper flag is probably our best domestic number one pick. I mean I'd argue honestly is it since LeBron? Seriously last 20 years he could be as good as anybody. So this idea that New York I was talking about this this morning. I always do an NFL super bowl bubble and I'm very very high on Orlando, so. And I think it's much easier to get to the championship in the east and the West. But right now if I did a my 2026 NBA championship bubble I would have Houston, OKC, Cleveland, Minnesota, Orlando and then I would have the T Wolves, the Celtics and the Nuggets close. No J. Mac, there's no Lakers. If Austin Reeves is your third best player now again I'm higher on Orlando than everybody else. I think Orlando is going to be. I think Van Carroll is going to be all NBA next year. I think Bain is exactly what they need. I am totally high in Orlando, but I there. I'm sorry. New York, you could say New York. New York's two best offensive players can't. Are both terrible defensively.

JMac (37:04)

Timeout. We need a 20 second timeout here. Eliminating the Knicks and Lakers is a travesty. I demand you do this over the first of all, the Lakers were third in the West. Just a reminder, with no ad, Luka missed a bunch. Third in the west so you could poo poo all you want. Austin Reeves and the Knicks were two games from the NBA finals. Colin, after taking down the Celtics and the Pistons, I, I don't see how you can eliminate the Knicks from the bubble.

Colin Cowherd (37:29)

The Knicks?

JMac (37:30)

Minnesota. Really?

Colin Cowherd (37:32)

Oh, I, I think, I think ants getting. I think Minnesota's best players getting better. I think the warriors are tiny and old in the NBA. Here's two things that no longer work. Old and small. Okay, that, that doesn't work.

JMac (37:49)

You keep betting against Steph Curry and LeBron James. I'll take the other side.

Colin Cowherd (37:54)

Yeah, I mean, I mean honestly when your best player. And at this point, if Luca can defend, he would be their best player. He can't. So right now he gives up 24 and scores 28. But I old. Look around the NBA, old doesn't work anymore. Indy's young. I mean, honestly, Orlando's young. Houston young. OKC's young. Boston has young players. Minnesota's hidden a little bit. I mean, one of Denver's problems, they're too old. Denver's got to get younger. I mean, they do. After Yokich, it's like Porter doesn't work. Jamal Murray feels like he's a tweak away from not being available. So, I mean, I think by the way, Nico Harrison was asked last night about the rumor of Jason Kidd becoming the Knicks coach. But since it keeps being asked, since the rumors are still out there, just wanted to see if you can conclusively say that J Kid is going to be the head coach next season. Are there rumors still out there about J. Kidd? Apparently. Oh, okay. I thought I shut him down.

JMac (38:55)

Yes, he will be the.

Colin Cowherd (38:57)

He will be the coach next year. Yeah, I forget the state tax. It's a winter league, the weather. Forget the obvious stuff like Dallas is. I think Dallas is going to compete. I mean, Dallas is going to compete for the Western Conference finals with Houston, Denver, maybe okc. I think they're that good. I still think the spurs are a full year away. Coming up next, a comment I really like Stan Kroenke, who owns the Rams. His son now is running the Denver Nuggets. He made a comment 2 days ago and it got me thinking about who is truly untradable in American sports. Completely untradable. That next, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

Malcolm Gladwell (39:54)

Malcolm Gladwell here. I recently recorded the first episode of Smart Talks with IBM where I learned how AI agents are joining AI assistants as a major productivity tool. Let's start with AI agents. AI agents can reason, plan and collaborate with other AI tools to autonomously perform tasks for a user. Brian Bissell, an expert from IBM, gave me an example of how a college freshman might use an AI agent.

Brian Bissell (40:22)

As a new student, you may not know how do I deal with my health and wellness issue? How many credits am I going to get for this given class? You could talk to someone and find out some of that, but maybe it's a little bit sensitive and you don't.

Colin Cowherd (40:33)

Want to do that.

Malcolm Gladwell (40:34)

Bissell told me. You could build an AI agent, a resource for new students that helps them navigate a new campus register for classes, access the services they need, and even schedule appointments on their behalf, which in turn buys them more time to focus on their actual schoolwork.

Brian Bissell (40:51)

We can see patterns of how agents and assistants can help employees and customers and end users be more productive. Automate workflows so they're not doing certain types of repetitive work over and over again and streamlining their lives and making data more accessible to them 24 hours a day.

Malcolm Gladwell (41:12)

To learn more about IBM's AI agents and how they can help your business, visit IBM.com agents.

Colin Cowherd (41:21)

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JMac (43:24)

The Road to 2026 continues Sunday on fox with the gold cup cup quarterfinal as the U. S. Men's national team takes on Costa Rica. No easy path, no second chances. Coverage begins Sunday at 6 Eastern on Fox.

Colin Cowherd (43:39)

Okay, now you were very good. You were a little bit of a soothsayer on the team usa. You said, colin, slow down. We're gonna fly through the group stage. What are you predicting for Costa Rica? This is a much better team. Give me your thoughts.

JMac (43:54)

Can I just save it for tomorrow? We're. We have a good segment here. I want to get to it.

Colin Cowherd (43:59)

Okay. Okay. Okay. So yesterday there was, you know, sometimes you just shouldn't bring stuff up. You could be on a date, you could be in a business meeting, you could be in the back of an Uber. Like certain things just don't bring up into the conversation. There's trigger words. There's. There's things that frighten people. So Stan Kroenke owns the Rams. Great owner Josh Cronk. He also owns the Nuggets. Josh Cronk, he's his son. He's running. He's kind of running day to day. The Nuggets president, he's running things. So he was talking about, you know, this was pre draft and he had this to say. Frightening for us as an organization going into that second apron is not necessarily something that we're scared of. I think that there are rules around it that we needed to be very careful of with our injury history. The wrong person gets injured and very quickly you're into a scenario where that I never want to have to contemplate. And that's trade number 15. Don't bring that up in front of a microphone. Not for like nine more years. He's the best player in the NBA. That's one of those things. Don't even compl. You just gave sports talk radio and Denver four weeks of off season chatter. Broncos and Jokic is getting traded. Like, don't say that. And I was saying this. So I was talking to the staff yesterday after the show and I said, oh, you'd be amazed how few players are completely untradeable. So I have the significant seven. Cannot trade them. Number one is Caitlin Clark. Literally moved merchandise up 550% for the league. She is not only the face of the wnba, she's the greatest face, the most popular face ever. If Indiana moved off her, and I'm not joking here, I think the fan base would absolutely revolt. She's turned the fever and the league around. Untradable number two, Patrick Mahomes. It's not that he's just talented. He's the only guy in the last 20 years. You're going to surpass Brady here. Like, like we're serious here. Like, Brady picked up the greatest of all time a long time ago, right? Like, is he the guy? Unbelievably marketable. Kansas City was swimming an average even with Alex Smith and andy Reid. A1 and Doner. Can't trade him. Most talented quarterback probably and come from behind quarterback even better than Elway. Second most untradable American athlete and a good guy. Number three, Shohei Ohtani. I'm sorry, his connection to the Pacific Rim. He drives road attendance. He is better than. He is the best, most talented baseball player in the history of the sport in a market that has, I think. Is Dodger Stadium the biggest stadium in baseball? It's certainly close. It's like 56, 57,000. He makes Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We live in an event era. He makes every Dodger game an event. Completely untradable. Shohei Ohtani. Number four. Four is the world's best basketball player. The joker. Listen, Denver's a football town. The fact that they have the best basketball player in the world can't trade him. I mean, best passing big, best shooting big, one of the best scoring bigs. Elevate your roster. And when your coach got fired, he became sort of a surrogate coach for the Nuggets. I mean, they took a Oklahoma City 7 and they had no bench outside of Russell Westbrook. So untradable number five is Josh Allen. I know he doesn't have a ring outside of Josh Allen. Outside of Patrick Mahomes. Privately, if the Bills called every single team in the league and offered him. Everybody except Kansas City should take him. I don't care. I don't care if it's Cincinnati. Burrow's been hurt multiple times. He is the most physically gifted quarterback in the league's history. And I was a Elway zealot. Nothing like him. 66250. All about team jumps over linebackers. He's more talented than Mahomes. He is. He's bigger, he's stronger. His arms as strong. Number five, Josh Allen. Number six, Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge is so great. That if the Dodgers called and said, you want Ohtani for Judge, they were wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it and they shouldn't. He is so unique. He's a mountain man. He's 6, 6, 6, 7. He's a great guy. He's by far and away, he's the only guy outside of Otani that a casual baseball fan would probably pay to see. He's got a Paul Bunyan esque kind of gravitas. Most home runs. He's already a record setter. Most home runs in American League history for a season and 62. And I. And I'm serious, if the Dodgers said, we'll give you Otani for Judge, they wouldn't move off him. He is a beloved player. And number seven, you're going to think this is crazy. I think it's Jaden Daniels. I think he is our next superstar in the NFL. I thought last year was the greatest rookie season by far. He took over a laughing stock for 15, 20 years of franchise relevance, maturity, arm movement to the nation's capital. There is an argument over the next 20 years, they're going to become Kansas City in the NFC. That kid was bizarrely good as a rookie. You cannot trade him. So, J. Mac, I'm only doing seven. You're gonna bring up. I do think there's a number eight that you're gonna jump on. I'm not gonna put it in there. Who's the first one that jumps out to you not on it?

JMac (49:57)

Okay, so I'll throw a bunch of guys at you. We got some time here. Let me just start with the guy who just won the NBA title, right? Was the MVP of the league. Scoring leader, finals mvp. Wanted you. He's in hallowed territory, sga. I'm just going to start. Do you think he's tradable?

Colin Cowherd (50:12)

If the Denver Nuggets called and said, we'll trade you nice title, Jokic for sga, you would be a moron. I get six, eleven and a half. A better passer, a mountain man. The only guy in the league, Draymond Green has said in his career, wave the white flag. There is no way. Anthony Davis can't defend him. Draymond can't. SGA had three bad games in the final.

JMac (50:44)

I wanted to lay up. I don't. I would. I would largely agree. SGA is not on this list.

Colin Cowherd (50:47)

Okay.

JMac (50:48)

But if that's your measure, Jokic, would you do the trade one? Benyama, you do that in Harpies. 21, 15 years of Wembley.

Colin Cowherd (50:55)

Okay. Okay. Wemby has already missed 40 games with a blood clot.

JMac (50:58)

So what? 40, so what?

Colin Cowherd (50:59)

Interesting. That's what people said about Chris Bosh. He went from an All Star to out of the league. Big guys get hurt. Blood clots for taller players. Do I think Wemby's going to be great? Yeah, he's 7 4. Nobody is really supposed to be built to be 74 and play the style and pace of the NBA. I think he's going to be great. But if I told you he had another injury this year, he is 7 4. So you say, Whoa, whoa, whoa. Jo Kitch is 7ft. He's 275 pounds.

JMac (51:30)

Well, I don't know. Caitlin Clark's hurt for the second time in two weeks. Maybe we add her to the list because of the insurance.

Colin Cowherd (51:35)

There is no history of guards being hurt.

JMac (51:37)

Let's go. Joe Burrow. You're telling me the Bengals.

Colin Cowherd (51:40)

One more injury and you have to draft the quarterback in Cincinnati.

JMac (51:46)

Are you serious?

Colin Cowherd (51:48)

Yes.

JMac (51:48)

You think the Bengals would actually trade.

Colin Cowherd (51:50)

Joe Burrow second game of the year, ACL tell for Joe Burrow? All right. You are drafting another quarterback.

JMac (51:56)

I got a big list here. Giannis, he doesn't have injuries, so what other card are you going to play?

Colin Cowherd (52:00)

Yeah, he does. And. And can't hit a free throw late. No, I mean, does not have a jump shot. And what if they can't get out of the first round since his best teammates left. Can't get out of the first round.

JMac (52:12)

They waited 40 years after Jabbar to win a title. Giannis brought it to them. He makes them relevant, and you get.

Colin Cowherd (52:19)

Out of the first round in the East.

JMac (52:20)

Let me. Let me hit you with Lamar Jackson, who's kind of a divisive player again.

Colin Cowherd (52:24)

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