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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
The iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Thursday. We are live. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us on a Thursday part of your day. The Pacers with 13 steals. The Pacers with 11 blocks. Who is the great defensive team in this finals? I can't tell the difference. I have no idea at this point. You know ourselves J. Mac. We got ourselves else a little NBA Finals drama.
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Unnamed Analyst
I. I think somebody on this show gave out Pacers money line yesterday. I don't remember, you know, but we loved Indiana. I think they're in control of the series. The way they locked up SGA. Oh, love it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So we have found OKC's kryptonite. You send this young team on the road and that defense isn't nearly as dominant and they make more mistakes. 19 turnovers and they don't get to the free throw line. The Thunder are an average team, 4 and 4 in the playoffs. When their star SGA has eight free throw attempts or fewer, they're.500. That's all they are. And remember we told you the Celtics were a better road team because they live on the three. You don't need the whistle when you're shooting threes. The three travels well. Yeah, OKC does not travel well. And they're young rotational players. And we know this. We've told you this. You know this. Young rotational players and bench players like Indiana's are always better at home than they are on the road. And they get a little tight. They don't get the home cooking. They commit a few more turnovers. OKC is just okay through the last three series, they're 2 and 4 on the road. And because the Thunder didn't play a lot of close games, remember they won by an average of 12.9 points a game. The downside to that is they didn't play a lot of close games. And the best clutch team in the NBA is Indiana. They're 9 and 1 in the playoffs in clutch games. So in, in close, tight games. The last six minutes of the game last night, the Thunder had One field goal. They weren't even good at the free throw line. So their youth and their depth is a huge, huge edge during the regular season. Right. But they just have huge energy. And the regular season, it's not about preparation. Sometimes it's a back to back. You're watching film in the locker room as you put your uniform on. It's about bodies, it is about energy. And OKC is the best in the league at that. But the playoffs, everybody's equally rested and you face the same team over and over and over. Rick Carlisle is sitting there thinking, okay, I'm starting to figure this team out a little bit. I'm starting to figure this team out. Late in the fourth quarter it was Oklahoma City that was gassed. Indiana was getting great looks. Getting great looks. They shot 52% for the game. So we have ourselves a series now. I mean think about the regular season. The only teams that have ever won as many games is the Thunder in the regular season are the early warriors with Stephen Clay, the best team ever. Michael Jordan's Bulls and the Wilt, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Lakers. You got to go, you got to go way back. Those are the only teams that were ever better and they are built perfectly for the regular season and they're a very good playoff team. And they may win the finals game Sevens and okc. But today they are mortal. They have a kryptonite. They that youth on the road allows 117 points a game. That's not all time stuff. Here's SGA after.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
They were aggressive. They were, they were higher in the pick and rolls. They really were just like Court said, more aggressive, more forceful. Yeah, we got a starts with me, but we got apply that pressure back. Especially if you want to beat a team like that on the road, you got to be the more forceful team for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's talk Pacers. And they are, and we've said this, they're a lot of fun to watch. I thought they'd beat Milwaukee. I didn't think they'd beat Cleveland. I didn't know about the Knicks and I took OKC in six. I got to tell you, they have so many different types of players. Forget the fact that seven different Pacers are averaging double figures in the finals. Forget that. But I mean they have, they can put crazy length on the floor. Halliburton's the longest point guard in the league. Put him on the floor with Obi Toppin Siakam and Miles Turner. They're one of the longest teams you can go small and quick. TJ McConnell, Naismith, they got small quick guys, they got long guys. They have ascending players. How about Ben Mathern? How about that guy? How about that young guy? Got a little Westbrook, right? With a little more refinement. He was a hockey and a football player in Canada. He goes to Arizona one year in college, dominates next year. He's going to be one of the best players in the league. You're going to talk about Cooper Flag and that kid's going to give you 22 a night. He has wild confidence and in per minute. I think he may be the Pacers leading score per minute. So they've got ascending players, veteran players like Siakam, rim protectors. There are so many, many levers for Rick Carlisle to pull. They're unselfish. I don't see ego. They have the requisite three point shooters. I mean last night they had 11 blocks. They had like double the steals. I was saying this on my podcast after is that they stole about eight points last night on like inbounds plays or an offensive rebound or a steal or a block. They were just stealing points throughout the game. And remember this is a really bad. Here's, here's something that's really bad news for Oklahoma City. So Oklahoma City played the fewest clutch time games in the league, right? And all the pressures on Oklahoma City because they're the favorite and they're one of the youngest teams in the league. And the Pacers are the best clutch time team probably in the NBA. That's a bad combo. A young team with more pressure that hasn't played a lot of close games against the best close game point guard and team in the league. And if you go look at the by quarter scoring, Oklahoma City's best quarters, the first, the Pacers is the fourth. Which one would you take as a head coach? Now game seven is an okc, but the pressure is all on the Thunder. The best thing they got going for them, they're at home and they're good at home. But last night I thought Indiana got better looks. They played more efficiently. They were less sloppy, they were more composed. They were the much better team at the end of the first half and at the end of the game. Remember the Pacers got to the Eastern Conference finals last year. We forget this. We paid so much attention to the Celtics and can Denver get back. And we're always talking Lakers, Kyrie Irving and Luka. This team got to the Eastern Conference finals last year but they weren't very good defensively. Now they're much better defensively with the same great pace and all these ascending players. Like, Halliburton's getting better. You can see this. Naismith. I mean, like, Siakam's always been good, right? But this is a team that's getting better and has more confidence not only year to year, but series to series.
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Jason McIntyre
And here's their coach after.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
This is the kind of team that we are. You know, we need. We need everybody to be ready. It's not always going to be exactly the same guys that are stepping up with scoring and stuff like that, but, you know, this is. This is how we got to do it, and we got to do it as a team, and, you know, we got to make it as hard as possible on them.
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Colin Cowherd
It really matters that Rick Carlisle is a good coach, because I don't care if it's football, basketball, hockey, or baseball. The better the manager, the better the coach. They're better at pulling the right levers. Eric Spoelstra, Steve Kerr, they just. The more levers you can get them to pull in a series. So. And I also think we're overstating. It's. It's bad on me, but I think I. I kind of felt like going into the series, you know, like, OKC has got a better roster. I'm not so sure of it. I'm not. So. I think Indiana plays really good defense, and I. I think they have so many different types of players. Small, quick, long, offensive. I mean, Halliburton, Obi Toppin, Miles Turner. This team had 11 blocks last night. So I. You know, we're all talking about what the Knicks are going to do and wait till Tatum's back with the Celtics. And who are the Lakers going to land? I don't know. I look at Carlisle. An ascending roster, all sorts of shapes, styles and sizes and levers to pull. Got ourselves some NBA drama. J. Mac. This was fun. Last night was fun. And I'll tell you what. If you start looking at what Indiana does in the fourth quarter this year, there was a video that was out.
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Jason McIntyre
It was.
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Colin Cowherd
I. I was introduced to it probably about three weeks ago. And they showed Halliburton who you were on, like, two and a half years ago, but they showed Halliburton every shot he took, like a minute or less left in the basketball game to lead or tie. Guy was like 12 of 13. Like, there's always been this feeling among the analytic mavens that there's no such thing as clutch shooters. Like, it all works out with a math that's not true when you watch Indiana and Halliburton play, that guy is so good and so confident in big clutch moments. At some point we have to acknowledge Halliburton is now one of the NBA's elite closers. It's not always scoring, but from three point shooting to driving and dishing, he is one of the league's best closers.
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Unnamed Analyst
He was tremendous. I'm surprised you did 10 minutes and we really did not go after SGA. The MVP, the free throw merchant who somehow escaped criticism for a fourth quarter when he had one turnover in one basket. Colin. They wore him down. Seven different defenders on sga and if you notice when the Pacers were running offense, they were attacking him the same way that Pacers attacked Brunson. Remember, Brunson was just getting abused. They went at sga. He had nothing left in the tank. I don't know how they, the Thunder changed this. I'm shocked that the line is OKC minus six for game four on the road. They haven't covered a road game this postseason.08 against the spread. How is OKC favored here? I don't get it.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean it's pretty clear if SGA doesn't get to the line, they are an average playoff team on the road and overall they're four and four when he's not getting to the line over eight times. So that's sort of the key if he does not get the home whistle. And when you and I talked about this yesterday on the show, we both liked Indiana and our takeaway was, and you saw it last night, bench players and young players at home are unbelievable. Indiana's bench last night, it's one of the great bench. The second quarter was insane. They just, they put starters on the bench, brought the bench guys in and they were dominating okc. Indiana's bench is not going to look like that in the road and OKC's bench isn't as dynamic on the road. So this is something we stars. Usually you get your points from your Halliburton is going to be good usually all the time. Jokic is, Giannis is. But those rotational and bench guys. Home is a different environment completely. They get confidence, they get energized.
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Unnamed Analyst
Can the Pacers win this in six? Because if they win, they got to win game four. I don't think they're taking two of three from OKC on the road.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Unnamed Analyst
They got. They're not going to win Game 7 and OKC, they'll. They'll get run off the court.
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Colin Cowherd
I I, I, I took OKC in six. I, I would adjust it to OKC in seven. I think they're going to be tough to beat at home in a game seven.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah, Pacers got to win this in six. That's why they got to win game four. Ben Matherin, by the way. What a stud. You. So you call him Russell Westbrook last night?
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Colin Cowherd
No, he, he does. But oh no. So I, I went and I looked up his Wikipedia stuff. He was a hockey guy and a football guy and a basketball guy. He goes to Arizona, is a dominant college player and, you know, he's a one and done guy, but he's a guy that when he's on the floor is just instant energy for them. You, I mean, you can see, folks, you can talk about all these players we're going to pay attention to Cooper Flag next year and Wemby and the young players. This kid is dynamic, man. He is. He was like that in college. I've watched him like twice in college. Super confident player and he's confident defending.
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Unnamed Analyst
SGA game one and game three. He did a great job. He, he's like a physical dude. You can't just push him off like SGA normally does. I'm all about the series, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
You could view things as, you're not getting reps in a negative way, or you could view it as, okay, when's my time to get out there? Let's be proactive and let's get warm. Let's get going. So there's no excuses because when you get out there, nobody cares how many reps you got whenever you get in the game. Nobody cares if you took a snap before. You know, like they care about, everybody cares about production. So that's the main thing. When you get out there, you got to be able to produce.
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Colin Cowherd
Sounds like a, sounds like a franchise quarterback to me, like what I'm hearing. But again, same plays, same receivers, same tight end, same protection. Put that graph up again. The numbers are the numbers. Shedeur is crushing it. 34 of 44. His balls aren't hitting the ground. J. Mac with the news.
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Jason McIntyre
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
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Unnamed Analyst
Not taking the bait, buddy. Let's go to Justin Herbert. Colin. The last time we saw him play an NFL game, he threw four interceptions against the Texans. The worst game of his career, essentially. The Chargers enter the season looking for their first playoff win since 2018. Oh, my gosh. Herbert is trying to move on from that poor performance.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
Just like every other loss. You know, you. You take a look at what you did wrong, what you did, you know, right. And you try and improve. And if I spend any more time, you know, worrying or focusing on it, you know, a loss like that, I think I'm doing a disservice to my teammates. You know, obviously it didn't go the way we wanted to. Like I, I said at the end of the year, you got to move on. And, yeah, take a look at what you did wrong. Be honest with yourself, be critical, but you can't let it take up too much of your time.
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Colin Cowherd
11 wins win. The division Chiefs are the wild card team and Broncos a wild card team as well. I feel pretty strongly about that take.
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Unnamed Analyst
I don't disagree. They were like a year ahead of schedule anyway, right? Nobody expected them to get to the playoffs in year one with Harbaugh.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Unnamed Analyst
And they upgraded the receiving core, added Trey Harris. Mike Williams is back. You know, the running back room is formidable with Najee Harris and the kid Hampton from North Carolina's.
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Colin Cowherd
Harbaugh's history is by year two, it feels like a Harbaugh team. Year one at Michigan, you're trying to catch up on recruits from Brady Hoke or, you know, year one in San Francisco, Year two in Jim Harbaugh's career. Usually the running back room is settled, he's got his O line fixed. The culture has been built. So I think, I think year two, I can tell you, in the building, there's a feeling they're going to make a significant leap from last year.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah, I don't doubt that at all. And I just. Anybody who's like, well, is Herbert any good? Just go look up Peyton Manning's like, first four playoff failures. Okay? He started his career going to the playoffs and they just flopped. He could not get a win. So just relax. Herbert's going to be fine. Next story. Colin is Saquon Barkley. Last month, Saquon talked about flirting with retirement. I don't know if you remember that, but he has since backtracked, saying he doesn't plan on retiring anytime soon. Instead, Saquon has his eyes on set on becoming one of the greatest running backs of all time.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
The thing that drives me is the same thing that has been driven me since I was a little kid. And I've said it since I got into the league. And I don't mean it in an arrogant way. I want to be the best running back to ever play, or at least one of the best running backs to ever play. I don't think there's actually a way you can prove who's the best, but that's always been my motivation.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, to be the best running back of all time or the best receiver, you have to have iconic moments. And when Barkley jumped over that player backwards, like that's never been done by a running back. I mean, that's what Barry Sanders has. He has two or three of these iconic moves like Barry Sanders has two or three. Walter Payton's got a few of those. Marcus Allen's got a handful. Earl Campbell does. Bo Jackson, does Marshawn lynch, that, that beast mode run against the Saints in the playoffs in Seattle. Like, to be an all time running back, it is such a unique position, all shapes and sizes and styles, that you have to have iconic moments. I think that when he leapt over the defender backwards, it was like, okay, that's never been done by a running back. I do think he has a chance to be two or three more years in Philly and a few more of those. I think he's in a very, very rarefied air.
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Unnamed Analyst
I don't think that's been done by anyone. I mean, they're putting it on the COVID of a video game. It's so crazy. I'm looking up lists of the best quarterback or best running backs ever. This isn't like an NBA discussion where you can stack, hey, all NBA, MVP, finals, all that stuff, I don't know, A lot of them have Jim Brown number one now. I wasn't born. I don't even know if you were there was. I don't. It's tough for me to put a guy from the 1950s, early 60s on the list, but Barry Sanders is considered up there. Walter Payton, Emmett Smith, Ladanian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, Marshall Falk. I certainly think Saquon could be a top 10 all time.
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Colin Cowherd
The best running back I've ever seen. I've said it multiple times, was Walter Payton. You got the shiftiness. I would say pound for pound, he may be one of the strongest players in league history. Walter Payton was insanely strong. I think Barry Sanders is second. And then I think there's about 12 guys, which includes by the way, a healthy Christian McCaffrey. When Christian McCaffrey's healthy, he could be a slot receiver in the league.
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Unnamed Analyst
Let me ask you, you remember this guy, Thurman Thomas from the 90s Buffalo?
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Colin Cowherd
Very good, very good.
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Unnamed Analyst
He was like receiving, rushing, like Saquon. Better than him. I. It's really tough to quantify these things. And Saquon said that in his quote, like, I don't know how you judge that. It's. Some of it is subjective. But I think Saquon certainly can be a top 10 all time. Maybe top 5.
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Colin Cowherd
Adrian Peterson, many less. Peterson could fumble. It wasn't great out of the backfield as a, you know, catching the ball, but in terms of raw speed and power, I think Adrian Peterson's probably one of the top five I've ever seen play helps.
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Unnamed Analyst
Saquon's argument that he goes to the Eagles and they win the super bowl and he rushes for 2000 yard. Right, that matters. Kind of like Terrell Davis and John Elway. Final story. Colin. Let's go to the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is interesting. So Arthur Smith is the OC and historically they've been a run first offense, but when you get DK Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers, do you still run it? Well, here's Arthur Smith talking about merging those offensive philosophies.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
You'd love to be more balanced. You're not obvious. Depending how you want to attack this defense, where you think their strengths, weaknesses are. I mean that's the game is played every Sunday, you know, and obviously as your roster evolves, I mean, obviously we didn't bring Aaron in here and signed DK for all that money to go run the wishbone. So, you know, you try to play to the strengths of your team.
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Unnamed Analyst
We'Ll.
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Colin Cowherd
See six years as a coach or a coordinator, one top 10 offense. I'm going to try to be, I'm going to be fair, fair minded, but I'll stick with my 8, 9, 9 and 8. I think it's going to be turbulent and rocky.
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Unnamed Analyst
Anybody who thinks Aaron Rodgers is going to Pittsburgh to take his cues from Arthur Smith, hey, we're doing this, you got another thing coming. Okay? That's not how Aaron Rodgers operates. Yeah, that's, that's going to be an interest. Brewer was the one who told us about this six months ago. He's like, yeah, I don't know how much sense that makes. Like, is that going to work? Arthur Smith, prickly guy. I'm not going to talk about him off the field, but historically has clashed with coaches and quarterbacks. We'll see, Aaron. We'll see.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, Arthur is very strong willed. Arthur Smith is a very strong willed coordinator. I'll just leave it at that. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. So we were talking about this this morning about the New York Knicks and Charles Barkley kind of eviscerated the Knicks for their lack of a Tom Thibodeau plan. They fired Tibbs, who's a really good coach, a bit of a grinder. Not, you know, he, he, he, you know, he's kind of got a Mike McCarthy feel to him. Like, you know, he's a competent coach but, you know, he's not the sexiest hire. And the Knicks, you know, they fire him and don't have a replacement. But it is interesting. John Calipari's name came up yesterday. You know, James Dolan loves stars. He's gone after Jason Kidd and Ime Aduca and Quinn Snyder and Billy Donovan and, you know, you're hearing Jay Wright. It's a lot of star coaches. And we were talking about this New York sports teams. There are more bad decisions between the jets and the Giants and the Knicks firing Thibodeau with no plans. The Brooklyn Nets, the silly Kyrie Harden KD mess. The Mets in 2023 had the biggest payroll, could not make the playoffs. And I think a lot of it. I've always wondered why do New York GMs, owners and teams make such awful decisions? Lot of smart people in New York. And my take is it's a very impatient market because it's got a very loud, relentless, high volume media. And GMs and owners listen to it. You know, newspapers have died in this country, right? But not in New York, where you got the Times and the Daily News and the New York Post. It's still a great newspaper town, sports talk radio. It is still, you know, wfan. It's a loud, relentless, opinionated media. And it becomes, I think, GMs overreact and I think owners listen to it. And I mean, in like Los Angeles, I mean, I can only think in the last seven, eight years, one move that was a head scratcher and that was Rob Pelinka signing Westbrook. Now, Westbrook worked for Denver. It did not work for the Lakers and they quickly backed out of that. It did not work. But that's an exception. It's almost shocking if New York doesn't screw things up. And so when I look at what the Knicks created, when James Dolan was distracted building the sphere in Vegas or managing it or, you know, overseeing it. They became very patient and very dedicated to their vision and their plan, and then they just blew it up with no backup plan. It's like, what are we doing? Hello. I mean, it was a very clear culture. Crash the boards, play defense, Villanova pro style, and get the ball to Jalen Brunson. One great shot maker. Crash the boards, Be physical. It had a. It had a Villanova feel to it. One's in Philly, one's in New York. That's what it felt like. And they blew it up. Now it's just. You might as well be the 2003 Knicks, 2008 Knicks. It's just chaos. There's no vision, no plan. Tibbs was the culture creator. And again, that doesn't mean Tibbs is the most creative coach. That's not. That's not. I don't think he's the most creative coach, but I didn't look at their issues as a coaching issue. I looked them as personnel. They've got a lot of guys who are now increasingly expensive with holes. Brunson doesn't defend. Either does Cat. Robinson doesn't score. Male Bridges is hot and cold as a shooter. So here's Charles Barkley from NBA TV last night hammering the Knicks, who fire a coach and a culture creator and have no plan afterwards.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
The Knicks got to be the stupidest.
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Jason McIntyre
Damn people in the world. Like, you don't fire no good coach.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
Like that and don't have a plan. I mean, Tips did a hell of a job. Obviously, something's going on now, but you.
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Jason McIntyre
Don'T have a plan.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
And now the three coaches turn you down. You gotta have a plan, man.
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Jason McIntyre
And they don't have a plan now. I mean, I don't know what the.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
Hell they're gonna do.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what it reminds me of? Tibs reminds me a little bit of Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell. I mean, the parcels guys, the Jimmy Johnson guys got loyalists. And there are guys all over the NBA that love Tibbs. You don't have any championships, but they go to these losing franchises with big brands. I mean, the Lions have been playing on Thanksgiving forever. It's a big brand. One of the first teams you go back to, you know, Bobby Lane, I think that's who it was. You know, the Stafford years, The Lions have had Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson. They've been great, great players, right? And same with the Knicks. But you're always kind of thinking they underachieve as a franchise, and then they Bring in a culture creator. You know, you don't have to love Dan Campbell. The guy, that team plays harder than any team in the league. And Tibbs, his team practiced harder and played about as hard as any team in the league. If you got rid of Dan Campbell and didn't have a replacement, be like, okay, you don't have to love Dan. He may not be the best schematic coach and he's not, but if you take Dan out, you change the culture. Tibbs is not the greatest schematic, offensive, creative guy, but if you take them out, your culture's gone. And that's what made the Knicks special. And it's actually what makes, along with their offensive line, it's what makes the Lions special. I remember J. Mac and I talked about this about three years ago. They weren't winning yet, and they lost a game. I think they lost at home. Detroit did to Baltimore, a very good Ravens team with Lamar Jackson. And I remember thinking their defense was awful. Detroit's defense was just awful. And I'm thinking, this team plays so hard and they're so flawed. Jared Goff was finally getting a little time to throw. They'd hit an offense, defensive lineman, and you're like, man, they are running through a wall. For Dan Campbell, it was a personnel issue. And I think the Knicks is more of a personnel issue than anybody wants to admit. They've got a lot of lopsided players. Brunson, you know, he's taking the air out of the ball, can't really defend, but he's a great shot maker. And Carl Anthony Towns, wildly skilled, can't get him on the floor defensively against the pick and roll. And Robinson, everybody loves Robinson, but he's useless late in the game offensively. So you have all these guys with, you know, limitations and ceilings. And we're blaming Tibbs. It would be like blaming Dan Campbell a few years ago. Like I, you know, somebody told me this not long ago, when you hire an NFL coach you got, you occasionally will get a guy like Andy Reid, who's a CEO and is good with schemes, but that's rare. You're hiring CEOs. That's what an NFL coach is. Occasionally you get Shanahan, who's got his running theory and he's a CEO McVeigh, but you're really hiring CEOs. Big broad guys aren't necessarily on the headset, like Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson's a CEO. He's a walk around coach. He's watching the receiver coach. And the offensive, he's a walk around coach. That's really what you're hiring. Sometimes you get lucky and you get both. But there's a lot of these culture guys don't ask culture guy to always be brilliant scheme guy. That's not what Vrabel is. That's not what Dan Campbell is. It's not that Vrabel doesn't know schemes, but you know, Jim Harbaugh is a great example. Harbaugh's maybe the best culture guy in football in America in the last 20 years. He's an unbelievable culture guy. You know, Belichick was great defensively. He didn't know anything about offense. Brady makes fun of his offensive knowledge or lack thereof. He's a culture guy. So I just, I don't, I don't get it. But I do think that the New York media is loud, it's present, it's opinionated, it's relentless. And I think it, it changes opinions. GMs and owners listen to it and make really bad decisions. And this was a really bad decision. At least have somebody in the offing, in the waiting. If you're going to get rid of them, you got to have a deal. Basically an hour done IME a Duca is at the airport and can come in for the press conference. You gotta have some plan. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Covino and Rich
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Colin Cowherd
Rachel Nichols, top of next hour. So, J. Mac, this headline came down today. WNBA television television ratings down more than 50%. We should probably do a study on that. I'm not sure, not sure why that would be. Oh, oh, wait. Since Caitlin Clark's injury. Okay, hopefully this is good news that she's coming back. And it's a reminder, ladies of the wnba, she is the Rising Tide. This is not Fever games just down. This is league ratings since she got hurt, down 55%. So she is essentially the sun at the beach. If she's not out, nobody else is. And, and by the way, there are great young players. Paige Becker's dropped like 35. She was banged up. She's back. Asia Wilson. It's not a lack of talent. Popularity and production are hard to measure. Remember how popular John Daly was on on the Tour? Smoking and 16 Diet Cokes a day. He was wildly more popular than every golfer not named Tiger Woods. Allen Iverson got to one finals. He was wildly popular. He had cultural significance. I'm not here to tell you why, but. And Caitlin Clark, like Iverson's a great player, but she equals ratings, revenue and relevance. And those three things the WNBA is dying for. So pro sports. I mean, even our business is an attention economy. And some people just get attention and everybody's trying to grab their slice of equity or space. So Be nice, WNBA players to the lady that currently has her leg up because she's giving the league a leg up, 55%. You know what that is? That's Jordan leaving the NBA. That's what it is. Jordan left the NBA. They lost 50% of their numbers. I mean, when Tiger left golf, the Masters in the US Open were still popular. This is different. This is like. This is kind of unprecedented territory. And again, you don't have to be the best player to be the most popular. I've said this before. I got nothing against Taylor Swift. Very pleasant. Seems adorable, talented. I'm not disputing it, but her music doesn't move me. But. But I mean, I'm watching the guy that won the Oscar last year. I think he won like his second Oscar in acting. He doesn't move me. Right. Like whoever. Whatever moves you. I can't explain. Generally, there is production behind popularity to some degree. And Caitlin's great, but, like, it's time to get over the angst. Like, she's changed the league. She doesn't show up. It's like the sun going behind a cloud at the beach. It's not the same environment. You just gotta come to terms with it. By the way, I saw this little. This little note talking about Saquon Barkley. Remember a couple years ago, people were freaking out, mostly the young media. Nobody's running backs aren't getting paid. This is outrageous. We said timeout. Running backs have value, always have, always will, especially for young quarterbacks. The great thing about a running back, I'd actually rather have a great running back than a great wide receiver, because especially if you have a quality quarterback and a quality team, you're going to be at the end of games in the last couple of drives trying to get first downs and eat the clock. Also, running backs are not affected by weather. You know, a great Tyreek Hill is wonderful, but do you have a quarterback that can throw it deep? Who's really throwing it deep in January and February? If you're playing outdoors in windy weather, running backs are all weather tires. Okay? You get them, it doesn't matter. And they also are great at preserving leads. Also, I don't have to have my quarterback do anything but turn around and hand you the ball. So running backs were never going anywhere. And another example of that, Saquon Barkley just unseated Patrick Mahomes as the leader in merchandise sales. Officially licensed product sold. The leader in the NFL is a running back. Now, after him, it's a quarterback. A quarterback, a quarterback, a Quarterback. A quarterback, a pass rusher, a receiver. Do you notice, do you notice America's team? How many, how many Cowboy players do you see in that top seven? Oh, oh, they got one in the top 15. One. We've been on this now, J. Mac, for two years. The Cowboys are not America's team. And a lot of that is TV ratings and merchandise sales. They got one guy in the top 15 and their quarterback is nowhere to be seen in the top 20.
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Unnamed Analyst
Well, Eagles have two in the top three. Should they be America's? Just kidding, obviously. That is interesting. Two Detroit Lions in there.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that, that's not a quarterback.
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SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander)
Wow.
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Unnamed Analyst
That list is certainly interesting.
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Colin Cowherd
Coward.
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Unnamed Analyst
Where's my guy? Brock Purdy? He's not moving merch.
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Colin Cowherd
Where is he? Oh, I think you have to be 6, 2 to be on this list. Sorry. Cheap shot. Cheap. I was joking.
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Unnamed Analyst
Low blow. Coward.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no. He's, he's probably somewhere. He's probably 18, 20, something like that. I, I notice. This is what's great about the NFL. Look at the market sizes. You got a Cincinnati guy, a Green Bay guy, a Kansas City guy, another Kansas City guy, Buffalo guy, Detroit guys.
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Unnamed Analyst
The name that's not on there. Let me just double check before I sound like an idiot. Lamar Jackson, where's he? We had a guy here on the show yesterday saying he's the best player in the league. He's got two MVPs.
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Colin Cowherd
What's going on? It, it's, it's really funny. I, I, I, that was my, my first person I looked for was Lamar. He is not on it now. I mean, Justin Herbert, who basically hides from the media. He's in the LA market. He's not on it either. Lamar, Lamar's had so much success. I don't, I can't really explain Lamar. I've said this before. Lamar, like, I like watching the NFL. There are very few players in the NFL when their side of the ball is on the field. I can't turn the game off.
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Unnamed Analyst
He's electrifying.
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Colin Cowherd
Come on. A totally electrifying town. I, he's not as good, but I think he's more electric than Mahomes in terms of just a television product.
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Unnamed Analyst
I don't have any argument there.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, of course.
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Unnamed Analyst
I mean, listen, let's be real. The Chiefs made the jump to light speed when Travis Kelsey started Daily Dating Taylor Swift. They were not even close to America's. You would admit that, right? And then as soon as Taylor Swift enters the chat, boom. They're on like every channel, streaming tv, primetime everything. So, you know, this Lamar thing's puzzling. It deserves further, further in depth probing by you.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a quarterback, he wins a lot, and he's dynamic. Why is he not in the top 15? That's where I don't have an. I don't have an idea. That's. That's really interesting. Hour 2. Rachel Nichols hits the hurt.
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Colin Cowherd
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