Hour 1 - Warriors win, Lakers lose

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: Hour 1 - Warriors win, Lakers lose
Release Date: April 21, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, host Colin Cowherd delves deep into the aftermath of a riveting NBA playoff weekend, analyzing pivotal games, standout performances, and strategic decisions that shaped the outcomes. The discussion seamlessly transitions into NFL draft predictions and the evolving landscape of college sports influenced by Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) regulations. With guest appearances from J.J. Redick, Cam Newton, Daniel Jeremiah, Greg Rosenthal, and others, the episode offers a comprehensive exploration of current sports narratives.

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NBA Playoff Analysis

Warriors vs. Rockets

The episode kicks off with an in-depth analysis of the Warriors' recent victory over the Rockets. J.J. Redick expresses his initial skepticism about the Rockets' performance, highlighting their reliance on transition points and questioning their shooting proficiency.

J.J. Redick (06:00): "If you take away transition points from Houston and make them play half-court offensive basketball, man, they look lost."

Redick praises the Warriors' strategic approach, emphasizing their patience and trust in veteran players like Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler.

J.J. Redick (41:01): "Jimmy Butler delivered, did he not?"

Key Takeaways:

• The Rockets' young roster struggles with half-court offenses.
• Warriors' experience and strategic gameplay proved decisive.
• Concerns about the Warriors' stamina in extended series.

Lakers vs. Minnesota Timberwolves

Shifting focus to the Lakers' unexpected loss to the Timberwolves, Redick critiques the Lakers' lack of energy and physicality, contrasting it with the Timberwolves' aggressive playstyle.

J.J. Redick (08:11): "Minnesota is a little like the Baltimore Ravens of the NFL where they're at their best sometimes playing ugly, really physical."

He underscores the Timberwolves' proficiency in three-point shooting and their ability to disrupt the Lakers' rhythm.

J.J. Redick (11:10): "Minnesota took the game to the Lakers and they wanted to be a little ugly. They wanted to be physical."

Key Takeaways:

• Timberwolves' physical and aggressive approach overwhelmed the Lakers.
• Lakers struggled with maintaining energy and urgency.
• Predictions of a more engaged Lakers team in future games.

Nuggets vs. Clippers

The discussion briefly touches upon the ongoing series between the Denver Nuggets and the Los Angeles Clippers, highlighting Russell Westbrook's pivotal role and the Nuggets' dependency on Nikola Jokić.

J.J. Redick (30:08): "Russell's never stale. And I always have believed that the really profound players in this league, when they're on the floor, they jump off the TV screen."

Key Takeaways:

• Westbrook's dynamic presence is crucial for the Nuggets.
• The Clippers remain a formidable opponent in the series.

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Player Performances and Strategies

Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler

Redick and guests commend Steph Curry's leadership and Butler's clutch performances, particularly noting Curry's limited scoring in critical moments and Butler's ability to secure victories.

J.J. Redick (41:01): "If I'd have told you that, yeah, the game's going to get tight. They're mugging Curry. Yeah, he won't score and he'll take one shot... But because of Jimmy Butler."

Russell Westbrook's Impact

Westbrook's high-energy gameplay is dissected, with emphasis on his rebounding and defensive prowess despite occasional turnovers.

J.J. Redick (35:00): "Russell's never stale. And I always have believed that the really profound players in this league, when they're on the floor, they jump off the TV screen."

Ant Edwards vs. Ja Morant

A significant portion is dedicated to comparing Ant Edwards and Ja Morant, highlighting Edwards' growth in shooting and leadership.

J.J. Redick (31:35): "Ant has put into basketball. He is a completely patient, smart, well-rounded, focused, mature player."

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NFL Draft Predictions and Discussions

The conversation shifts to the highly anticipated 2025 NFL Draft, with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal providing insights on top prospects and team strategies.

Cam Newton (22:34): "Cam Ward, Tennessee Travis Hunter, Cleveland. That's done. The draft starts with the New York Giants at number three and as of now, this is not ideal."

Key Points:

• Top Prospects: Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Shador Sanders, and Abdul Carter are highlighted as top fictional prospects.
• Team Needs: Giants face a dilemma between enhancing their defensive line or securing a franchise quarterback.
• Draft Strategies: Emphasis on selecting players who can provide immediate impact versus long-term potential.

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College Sports and NIL Impact

Redick discusses the recent decision of quarterback Nico Maldeava choosing Tennessee over UCLA, critiquing the influence of NIL on player decisions.

J.J. Redick (19:26): "This nil stuff, it's kind of ugly, but we don't see how the sausage is made."

He expresses concerns about players prioritizing financial gains over program fit and development.

J.J. Redick (22:34): "Trust me, I live out here. A smoothie costs you about 16 bucks in LA... But Tennessee has a better football program."

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Influential Figures in Sports

The discussion acknowledges the impact of athletes beyond their on-field performances, highlighting Caitlin Clark's significant influence in the WNBA.

J.J. Redick (29:37): "Caitlin changed the sport. They used to have commercial flights. She arrived. They all fly now. Private. That's the Caitlin Clark effect."

The duo debates Time Magazine's oversight in excluding Clark from their most influential list, underscoring her role in elevating women's basketball.

Cam Newton (29:36): "What an absolute disgrace that she was not most influential. She should be in the top 20."

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Notable Quotes

• J.J. Redick (06:00): "If you take away transition points from Houston and make them play half-court offensive basketball, man, they look lost."
• J.J. Redick (08:11): "Minnesota took the game to the Lakers and they wanted to be a little ugly. They wanted to be physical."
• J.J. Redick (31:35): "Ant has put into basketball. He is a completely patient, smart, well-rounded, focused, mature player."
• J.J. Redick (29:37): "Caitlin changed the sport... That's the Caitlin Clark effect."

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Conclusion

The Herd with Colin Cowherd masterfully navigates through the complexities of the NBA playoffs, dissecting team strategies, player performances, and emerging dynamics. The episode seamlessly blends basketball analysis with broader sports discussions, including the NFL draft and the evolving influence of NIL in college athletics. With insightful commentary from industry experts and passionate debate on influential sports figures, this episode offers listeners a rich and comprehensive understanding of the current sports landscape.

Whether you're a seasoned sports enthusiast or a casual follower, this episode provides valuable perspectives and in-depth analyses that enhance your appreciation of the games and the athletes shaping them.

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Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. All right. It is a Monday after a wild NBA playoff weekend NFL draft as well. Jordan Schultz sitting In one hour from now, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. I sat in front of a TV all weekend long. And I will be sitting in front of a TV next weekend, all weekend long for the NFL draft and NBA playoff. So you make, you make predictions going into the playoffs and I, I may be flipping one of my predictions after one game. I don't want to do recency bias. I don't want to overreact. But what I watched last night from the Warriors Rockets is really troubling if you're a Houston fan. So let's start with this. I didn't follow my own advice. I've always said in the playoffs, just take the experience. And I said, you know, the warriors look old and tired, they're small, and I'm going to take the Rockets in six or seven and they may still win. They're easy to get enamored with. They're so twitchy, they're so athletic. In Houston. Yeah, I forgot they can't shoot. And three of their starters, this is their first playoff series, so they look the part when they get off the bus. But if you take away transition points from Houston and make them play half court offensive basketball, man, they look lost. Jalen Green, what is he? Yeah, he's athletic. Congrats. It's the NBA who isn't. He can't shoot. He's not a pure point guard. He can't put him at that position. Amen Thompson, great athlete. Don't trust him shooting. I love Sengun, the center from Turkey. He's got, he's like got a guard's touch. He's a little like Jokic, feathery touch. But you can't depend on him to beat Butler, to beat Steph Curry, to beat Steph Curry because there's a coaching advantage with Golden State as well. And it's a prime example. Like Jalen Green and Amand Thompson are a prime example. They didn't go to college, they went to make some money. Overtime, elite G league and they, and they made some money. But what are their games? What are their games like? Yeah, I mean, I thought they both panicked and again they're fun to watch. But playoff basketball is half court basketball. You don't get all the freebies because everybody's playing hard. The coaching is better. You're playing the same team over and over and over. So the fool's gold in the easy baskets. It doesn't work that way. Everybody is equally rested. And I watched Houston and my takeaway was, man, do they need KD or even Devin Booker. They need buckets in the half court set. So. And conversely here the old warriors state Kerr, we're not going to play Kaminga. We don't need the length. We're going to stay with our small ball lineup. No panic even in the fourth quarter, just run through our sets. So both teams have an identity. But I think Houston has to tweak their identity. And I thought the warriors would have to play Kaminga more than they wanted to to tweak theirs. Now Houston dominates the offensive glass, so they're going to win games in this series. They, they played horribly in the first three quarters and that got game got down to about four points. But you see how valuable playoff experience is. The referees, we tell you this every year, playoff basketball looks different. The referees want the players to win the games, okay? So they swallow the whistle. They're going to allow physicality. All these young players looking for the whistle. Bruh, you're not getting in the playoffs. You're not getting a whistle over Steph Curry or Jimmy Butler or Draymond Green. You're not. The veterans know how to manipulate refs. And Golden State, by the way, is 20 and one all time when they win the first game of a playoff series. I was worried about the old team playing Houston. Rockets home court advantage, size advantage, energy advantage. And then I watched that game and my only question now, do the warriors have the stamina to get six or seven games out of this series and then go in to another series? Their best players are all in their mid-30s, but. And the Rockets again, they're so big and athletic they'll win games and Jalen Green has to play better. Although it's very clear the coaching staff of the Rockets did not trust Jalen Green late. They had no interest in him being part of the offense. So Fred Van Vliet will shoot better and play better, but I don't know. I looked at this and I thought 85 points was a season low. And they're going to get into the 90s, they're going to have better games. They're. Obviously playoff basketball is all about adjustments, but Houston's got a problem again. They look great off the bus, but half court offense, they're really young. And what are they? They're just really athletic. And then you're watching the warriors just stay patient, stay with their sets. Every time Golden State comes down the floor late, they got a good look, man. You can count on one hand how many great looks Houston got when they needed it in the fourth quarter, here was Steve Kerr on Steph Curry after.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[J.J. Redick]

So I do worry about the Rockets going forward. I may have just missed on that. Now, let's talk Lakers losing the opener to Minnesota. I'm not worried about the Lakers, I don't think. But JJ Redick welcomed the playoff basketball. He didn't pull enough levers. So unlike the Rockets, the T Wolves can shoot. In fact, they had 42 open threes. They just got great looks and they hit a lot of them. But it was more about the Lakers lack of energy and urgency and especially physicality. You just kept waiting for the Lakers to kind of shift into a second gear, and they never did. So Minnesota is a little like the Baltimore Ravens of the NFL where they're at their best sometimes playing ugly, really physical. A lot of tough guys play with a ton of physicality and energy. And it's not always pretty. You know, the Lakers, when they're at their best with Luke, LeBron, Austin, it's pretty. They're getting to the free throw line. But the Lakers big three, Luka, yeah, he scored a bunch of points. He had one assist. It can't just be points. Austin reaves totally out of rhythm again. T Wolves beat up on him physically. And LeBron, you know, I thought he did a job. He's kept waiting for the game to come to him a little bit, and it's like, bro, you look disengaged. And so it was just ugly. And remember, the T Wolves have played Luka before. This is a really good coaching staff. So. And the other thing that makes you wonder about the Lakers, the Lakers, not everything from the regular season carries over, but a lot does. Like, Houston didn't shoot well in the regular season. Houston didn't shoot well yesterday. The Lakers are a bad road team. They were sub 500 on the road and they just lost home court advantage. Minnesota, like those Ravens, they can win on the road. Why? Because physicality in all sports, like baseball and pitching, physicality in basketball and football travels. All right, so the Minnesota is going to give you a very consistent effort. Not to mention Aunt Edwards, you know, unlike Ja, Morant has grown, improved. He's more refined, his pacing, his tempo. He's a patient player. So, like, maybe it's just a Bad matchup for the Lakers. I think we're going to get a more physical, engaged Laker team. That's what I think. So no sign of panic. If I'm the Rockets though, this morning, I don't know if we can be. I don't know if we can beat the warriors with our half court offense. The Lakers can run, the Lakers can shoot, the Lakers can play defense, but it worries you a little. Jackson Hayes didn't play much, so Reddick doesn't think. He didn't give many minutes. And the Laker, Minnesota is big to begin with. You take Jackson Hayes off the floor, it's like, do we got a matchup problem for the Lakers? No reason to panic. But here is J.J. redick.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

After we were mentally ready, I thought our spirit was right. I thought even when they made runs, our huddles were great. You know, the communication was great. I'm not sure physically we were ready, if that makes sense. And really when they started playing with a lot of thrust and physicality, like we just didn't respond immediately to that.

[J.J. Redick]

And that if you watch that game, this was an easy one to scout. If you had an assignment to scout the game, you're like, Minnesota took the game to the Lakers and they wanted to be a little ugly. They wanted to be physical. You know, they got sides, they got tough guys. So that was totally Minnesota's game. And then when you add in them shooting as well as they did, so, you know, LeBron said after, maybe it just takes us a game to get ready. That's entirely possible. Odds makers are usually not terribly wrong. I mean, they like the warriors to win it. I, I'm watching that game thinking, yeah, they had it right. But defenseo, Julius, Randall and Edwards, a lot of dudes didn't always have to be pretty. But it was not only physical, it was physical and pretty for Minnesota. So that's a little troubling if you're a Laker fan. They play tomorrow night in game two. We have all sorts of stuff that has developed. This is of course, draft week. Daniel Jeremiah, 50 minutes from now. Former NFL scout for three different teams. He's the one that labeled it. He said, it's not a star draft. It is a super starter draft. I had dinner with a NFL offensive coordinator over the weekend and there's a lot of good players in this draft. A lot of good players. There's just not a lot of star power at the top. And we know Tennessee's taken Cam Ward number two. We know Cleveland number. Cam Ward's going number one in Tennessee, number two, Cleveland's taken Travis Hunter. The draft kind of starts with the New York Giants, and they've done a ton of homework on Jackson Dart and Chadore Sanders. So my guess is probably take a defensive player. I'm just guessing. I could see if they would take Shador. I think I would take Shador Sanders if I was the Giants, but I think they would. I also think the New York Giants, because the draft's going to sort of start with them because we know the first two picks. I think if I was the Giants, I would take calls. And if somebody wants to do our Sanders, and I think they should, it's never been more of a quarterback league. There are seven or eight teams that desperately need upgrades at quarterback, and Tennessee is going to solve that with the first pick of the draft. So this is a very, very fun week. Coming up next, the best playoff series, the most even series, is Denver and the Clippers. Plus, Cam Newton sounds off on a decision by a young man that took money over common sense. We'll talk about that coming up. Live in la, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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So we told you a story was going to happen last week. I think it was Wednesday or Thursday. I said, this really talented kid, Nico Maldeava, he's a quarterback at Tennessee, and he bailed on him and he said, I'm gonna. I told you. I was told by somebody close to the family he was gonna be UCLA Bruin. Well, it was made official yesterday. Listen, I don't love the decision because Tennessee's got $149 million of annual revenue. They have better coaching staff, better facilities, better players. I mean, in the sec, they've won nine plus games in three straight seasons. So the coaching staff's pretty good. UCLA in the last decade has won nine games once. So. And the market did not materialize when he said, I want more money. Now they're arguing. The family say it's not about money. But I don't know, you know, that Tennessee is like, why would you leave Tennessee? Well, it's about the offense. Well, Tennessee's putting their last couple quarterbacks in the NFL. That's all I know. Tennessee quarterbacks end up in the NFL. That doesn't mean they end up being as good as, you know, Jaden Daniels. But you plan the sec, you get to the NFL, they're doing something right with quarterbacks. So this feels like I said it last week, quarterback dad is now pageant mom. And this feels very much like, you know, dad made a big decision. I don't love it. Cam Newton voiced his opinion on this.

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Whoever advised this kid to sit out and chase in hopes for more money is a fool.

[Cam Newton]

Because the reality is this.

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And I'll need to tell everybody about what NIL was and is intended for. It's just to make your college experience comfortable. This is not forever money. You have to understand that. Even though you're talking about millions and millions and millions of money, by the.

[J.J. Redick]

Way, couple million bucks in L. A, welcome to the 45% tax bracket minimum. I mean, so that stuff, I mean, trust me, I live out here. A smoothie cost you about 16 bucks, a good one. In Tennessee, it probably cost you six. And there's no state tax there. So the money goes nowhere in la and it goes a long way. But I mean, I just. To me, if I'm a quarterback, if I was coming out of high school or a young quarterback, there are programs I would go to. And it would be programs that put NFL offensive linemen in the NFL like, you know, Ohio State, New Notre Dame and, you know, Georgia. I'm going to a place where I get protection, where I've got, you know, really good playmakers. So I'm not sitting there running for my life, throwing to like guys that are unrestricted free agent level guys in the NFL. That's Tennessee. That's not ucla. UCLA put some guys in the NFL, but Tennessee is a better football program. So I wish him well. It's certainly a big ad for ucla, there's no question about that. But the market did not materialize. There was not a huge market. Belichick turned off. I talked to another person at a top 10 program really turned off by. And this was such a public story. It's gonna stick to the kid, so he's gonna have to really play well. A lot of this stuff, we don't see how the sausage is made. It's kind of ugly. This nil stuff, it's kind of ugly, but we don't see how it. We don't really see what happens. But this was so public that it's gonna stick to the kids. So he's gonna have to be great at ucla and, and UCLA doesn't have great talent. All right, so in the Big Ten, they're. I mean, I'm. I'll throw it out off the top of my head. What are they, the seventh to eighth best football program? Tennessee is as well funded as anybody in the SEC that is in a big boy adult football program. So I don't love to move. Chasing money is. Folks, even in the NFL. You don't make real money in the NFL to your second contract. And Cam points out this is not forever money in the nil. It's to make college more reasonable and more comfortable. And pizza's on me. If you're looking to get rich in college and you're just going to take the biggest check, I think most of the time that's not going to be. That's not going to be the right fit. Football's about fit and about coaching and about support systems. Not just about get me mine. You know, talk to guys who have played in good organizations like the Eagles and the packers and the Rams and they go chase money in free agency. Go ask them how happy they are. Right? It's. It's not. Jordan with news. No, no, no.

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This is the Herd line news on.

[Cam Newton]

The NFL draft kicks off Thursday and one of the biggest question marks is in the Top five, whether the Browns and Giants will both pass on taking a quarterback. Now, according to Daniel, Daniel Jeremiah, who'll be on the show today, it's almost a game of chicken of who's going to pay the biggest price and how much they love one of these quarterbacks. Reference Giants have Danny, Tommy DeVito, Jameis Winston, Russell Wilson, Browns, obviously DeShawn, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett. Now, I believe that should the Giants pass. Should the Giants take Shador Sanders and pass on Abdul Carter? I believe the Patriots would then take Abdul Carter at 4 because I know they really like Will Campbell. They've done a lot of homework on him, the offensive tackle at lsu. But Abdul Carter is viewed as a generational player. And even though the Patriots have Harold Landry, they have Keon White, to pass on Abdul Carter at 4 would be a big, big deal.

[J.J. Redick]

Yeah, I think NFL people that I talked to this weekend, they view Cam Ward as a sure thing. Travis Hunter is a sure thing. Abdul Carter is a sure thing. And then the draft becomes should be a really good player. I don't think Shador Sanders and most quarterbacks are viewed as a sure thing. So the Giants are sitting there thinking, well, Abdul Carter is a sure thing. He's going to start day one and be a really good player. And they're absolutely right. Shador, though, is a quarterback and will touch the ball 65 times a game. He'll win us games. So I mean, the Giants have had a good D line for years and, and can't sniff the playoffs. So you can get all the defensive ends and rush ends you want. You got to move the chains right. You got to move the sticks. So it's a tough situation where the Giants can take a sure thing, but it won't change outcomes or they can go on a 60, 40 proposition, but it will change outcomes. And I, and this matters to me, you start looking at this division now. Philadelphia with Jalen Hurts, Washington with Jaden Daniels. You can't have a Hammond Egger at quarterback. Right. To me, you go get a Shador Sanders, you're get, you get four or five years now to load up the roster.

[Cam Newton]

Yeah.

[J.J. Redick]

Because you have, you have a lot of ground to make up on Washington and Philadelphia. You're not doing it with Abdul Carter. Yeah, that's one guy that's worth, if he becomes a Pro Bowler, worth half a point a game.

[Cam Newton]

You can get a pass rusher in free agency. It is almost impossible to get a franchise changing quarterback other than the draft. Now, Shador Sanders might not be A sure thing. But he feels tailor made for New York and I know that that building, there are people in that building that really like him.

[J.J. Redick]

I also think there are people in that building. I've been told to like Jackson Dart.

[Cam Newton]

Yeah, yeah. Jackson Dart's also interesting. Maybe second round, maybe you come back up the Giants. That's where the draft starts. You said earlier that to me is where the Draft starts at 3. Sticking with the draft, the Raiders Pete Carroll hold the sixth overall pick and have been heavily linked to Ashton Gente. Speaking at their pre draft presser, GM John Spitek was asked specifically about drafting the Boise State running back. Take a listen.

[J.J. Redick]

Ashton Jenty get talked about in that top 10 by pretty much everybody has.

[Cam Newton]

Put together mock drafts. What do you think about him in particular? What makes him so special to where he might be.

[J.J. Redick]

Be careful.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm going to be careful about talking about any specific player. But you know, more broadly to the running back question, I, I mean we just saw Saquon Barkley just change the Eagles in one, in one year now. They had a great team around them and you know it was adding an elite player and I think when you sit where we sit, I mean the idea is to add elite players at any position.

[Cam Newton]

Yeah, there's a lot there to take in.

[J.J. Redick]

I think he, I really do. I think if I, I said this last week, I did a. If I was general manager, here's who I would take. And I think once you committed to Geno Smith and Chip Kelly, it makes drafting Ashton Genti redeemable because Gino is a very capable quarterback on play action. Translation solid run game. Well, the Raiders have no run game so you gotta solve that. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if they get Ashton Genti in the first round and in the fifth or sixth round they go get another back. Yeah. So Geno Smith is two quarterbacks. There is time to throw with a prominent run game. Geno and this is a little Sam Darnold too. And then there is frenetic throwing on third and long and then Sam and Geno become really ordinary players. So this to me is not just about solving running back. It's elevating Gino Smith who you're in a relationship with for probably two years.

[Cam Newton]

What's interesting is you go back to the Anthony Richardson year. Pete Carroll was taking selfies with all the quarterbacks including Richardson. Ends up taking Devon Witherspoon with the fifth pick. This could very well be a smokescreen. You never really know with Pete.

[J.J. Redick]

You just don't he loves corners. He loves cornerbacks early in the draft.

[Cam Newton]

But this might be a little high. And it's.

[J.J. Redick]

Oh, it is. Will Johnson.

[Cam Newton]

Johnson, yeah.

[J.J. Redick]

Will's not a burner.

[Cam Newton]

Right? Will Guy. He's terrific.

[J.J. Redick]

Terrific.

[Cam Newton]

Or four Guy.

[J.J. Redick]

Yeah. You're not going to put. He's not shutting people down. Will's just the best corner in this draft. We don't have a superstar corner. We have. Michigan has one. Texas has one. They're really good players. Yeah, there's a lot of good corners, but there's no superstar. So I don't think. And I am a huge Will Johnson fan. I have him going nine to the Saints. Yeah. But I. Ashton Genti, to me, you know, you could roll the dice. I do think the Raiders would consider this. The Raiders would consider. Listen, number six is a little rich. We gotta get better as a football team. We're gonna trade down. Yeah, yeah. Like maybe only to 11. And then you get another draft pick and you take the North Carolina running back. Hampton.

[Cam Newton]

Yeah, he's.

[J.J. Redick]

I could see that. I had somebody this weekend tell me they thought he was a better version of Joe Mixon.

[Cam Newton]

Yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah, yeah. You mentioned Hampton also. Then. Then you could jump right ahead of Dallas because you worry about Dallas taking him at 12 because they need a running back. The other part too is a big part of Gino. Gino wanting to be a Raider was the relationship with Pete, but also Chip Kelly. And if you think about Chip Kelly, he has always loved great running backs. In fact, Lashan's McCoy's two best years were with Chip Kelly. They could be extremely creative with a running game. Regardless of if the Raiders take Genti at 6. If they hold that pick, Colin, they got to get at least one, maybe two running backs. To your point, we talked a lot about Caitlin Clark last week. A lot. Specifically, she was snubbed from Time 100 most influential list. Colin, you love this. We all know how influential Clark has been and here's some more proof. According to fanatics, she had the second highest jersey among selling among all basketball players behind only Steph Curry. Hurry. That put her ahead of Tatum. LeBron.

[J.J. Redick]

Look at that.

[Cam Newton]

Michael Jordan, Wimby, Luca. What an absolute disgrace that she was not most influential. She should be in the top 20.

[J.J. Redick]

Yeah, I mean I, I have. I said this last week. Michael Jordan obviously was influential, but Magic and Bird get a lot of credit for many believe saving the NBA. I don't think they saved it, but I mean Magic and Bird are icons for a reason. They had a Rivalry. And they played in college. So Michael didn't save the NBA, he elevated it. Michael made it global. But Tiger woods, as Jack Nicklaus was getting older. You know, golf needed a guy. Yeah. Tiger like doubled purses. Like that's changing a sport. I mean, golf would have always survived, but guys, you know, guys like Marco Mira figured that out very quickly. Hey, everybody, this dude is getting. We're going to all get rich on this guy. And he's a great guy. So Tiger changed the sport. Caitlin changed the sport. They used to have commercial flights.

[Cam Newton]

Yeah.

[J.J. Redick]

She arrived. They all fly now. Private. That's the Caitlin Clark effect. Think about that. As great as Michael was, it was Magic and Bird that got you on better flights, right?

[Cam Newton]

Yeah. You mentioned Clark too, and how cool MJ was. There is a confidence about Caitlin Clark that you just don't see and we haven't seen in wnba. There's a swagger to her, not just her game, but her confidence. And I actually see some of that with Paige Becker. So I'm really excited about where the league is going. But the Caitlin Clark omission, Colin, was catastrophic for any list.

[J.J. Redick]

Yeah, Time magazine thought too much. Don't out think the room. Influential.

[Cam Newton]

Play the hits.

[J.J. Redick]

Influential is the word you use. She is the most influential WNBA player and I'm not even sure who is second. I'm not sure there is a second. Jordan with the news.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, that's the news.

[J.J. Redick]

And thanks for stopping by the Herd line. So through the years, I. I've always had a problem with six, four or under point guards or guards that can't shoot, that are hyper athletic. Derek Rose, John Wall, Westbrook. It's like, okay, John Moran. I'm like, okay, you can't shoot, so you're going to have to score at the rim. And that means you're going to go up against bigs and you're going to get injured. And Westbrook has been a player that's super talented but can drive me crazy. He doesn't have a lot of. He's got one gear, which, by the way, sometimes you need that gear. And he's going to be a Hall of Famer. I would not doubt that, but it was very interesting. Nuggets, Clippers. Clippers outplayed him for about three quarters and then the Nuggets made a decision in the fourth quarter. We're going with Russ and you got the full Russell Westbrook experience. Hero baskets, insane energy, turnovers, questionable decisions. But man, you got rebounding, man, you got energy. And for a 6, 4 guy in a league of people that are 7ft tall, you can't miss him. So he's got a, this, this quality where when you watch him and he's on your favorite team, you're holding your breath a little. But I thought Denver needed his energy and the coaching staff deserves credit. They're like, we're playing him and we're getting him out there. And I thought he was incredibly valuable. And again, if you run down his plays, it's a lot of hit and miss. He was 1 for 6 from the field in the first three quarters. And the Denver staff is like, now we're going to go with Ross. And this team is so Jokic dependent. It's a one man Jokic that they need another gear. And I like Jamal Murray, but he's never been an all star. So it sort of illustrates Denver's dilemma that there's so much about Jokic and Murray's a good player, but he's not a great player that they don't trust. Michael Porter, clearly he's not getting minutes late. And so, you know, you're sitting around there like, okay, we know Jokic is great. Who's giving us energy if Jamal Murray's just a little off and we, you know, we can't ask him to go bucket to bucket with Harden and Kawhi. And so it's like, let's put Russ in. And I thought, I still like the Clippers in the series, but you got to be fair in this business is that, you know, players that can drive me crazy. Westbrook's rebounding, his energy, his production was absolutely necessary and he deserves credit. If he doesn't play in the fourth quarter, they don't win that game. I really believe that they don't win that game. And you know, again, it was the full Russell Westbrook experience. But, you know, we can't always use the hammer here. Sometimes we got to be fair. And I don't think they win the game without him. And I don't, you know, he could play in game two and have several key turnovers. He plays full speed all the time. And I've said this, you know, in a world of load management, Russell Westbrook is ready to go on the floor anytime you ask him. And here's the Denver coach after the guy win. Russ is Russ. Defensively he was absolutely incredible. He was playing free safety out there. I thought a lot of the reasons why the turnovers happen, even if it wasn't him forcing it, just the way he was roaming around and impacting the game, you know, was great for us. And then offensively, you know, a couple times I thought he attacked, maybe we could have pulled it out and executed. But that's what Russ does. That's he's going to play in attack mode, so I don't think he's going to change after 17 years. Yeah, WrestleMania is perfect. He's just going to play one speed. He's going 100 miles an hour. And guess what? Playoff basketball is intense basketball. And Denver, the rest of that offense outside of Jokic, sometimes can get a little lethargic and a little stale. And Russell's never stale. And I always have believed that the really profound players in this league, when they're on the floor, they jump off the TV screen. Luka does that. You can tell when Luke is on the floor. And Russell again, In a world of 676-869 guys at 6 4, he plays way above his size, so good for him. Don't forget, top of the hour, Daniel Jeremiah stops by where Colin was right where Colin was wrong. Boy, Jimmy Butler delivered, did he not? We'll talk about that coming up. Tankless made simple.com be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific looking to transform.

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[Jordan Schultz]

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[J.J. Redick]

So NBA playoffs will continue. The one series where I, I watched the warriors play at the end of the year, and they just looked tired and small. And Steve Courage said at the time, like, we need some days off. Well, you watched a very energized team against Houston, and Houston's really, really talented, but young. And the warriors game plan was don't give him any transition points. Make them beat you in the half court. And Houston can't now they'll be better in Game 2. Houston has to be in the half court. I mean, you're looking up in the third quarter, you're like, how many points are there? How many points of the rockets have? 30. What? But I thought Jimmy Butler's value was on full display. Get a bucket, Jimmy. So in the fourth quarter where Houston was making a run because Golden State dominates the first three quarters, and all of a sudden here in the fourth quarter, Houston makes a run. It's not about getting a three from Curry. It's about getting a bucket. You're on the road. So they have two guys, Golden State, that Steve Kerr trust to get A bucket. One's Curry and one's Butler. And in the final two minutes, Jimmy had an offensive rebound, forced a turnover and scored six points. In fact, I don't know sure if people realize this, in the last five minutes of the game, Steph Curry didn't score and only took one shot. Think about that. If I'd have told you that, yeah, the game's going to get tight. They're mugging Curry. Yeah, he. He won't score and he'll take one shot. And it was fine because of Jimmy Butler. So. And Draymond's great, but you can't depend on Draymond offensively. So I just. I think what you watch, Steve Kerr is telling you who he trusts by who he plays. And Jonathan Kaminga, who I think has to play some minutes in the series eventually, not playing. They didn't play against the Clippers. He didn't play the playing game. They don't trust him. And it's amazing that Jimmy Butler arrived and immediately you can play or you can't. Curd trusts him and Curry trusts him. So the fact that Steph Curry did not score in the final five minutes on the road and took one shot and they won comfortably. All you need to know about Jimmy Butler's influence, and here he is after the game.

[John O'Brien]

We're still young.

[Cam Newton]

I mean, I think Steph is 37, I'm 35. Dre is like 35. But we got some young guns that also get it done as well. Stayed in it, gave up a little.

[J.J. Redick]

Run, but in the end, we won. You know something else? I don't want to pick on anybody here, but three years ago, and I've said this before, I vote I understand that in the NBA, you know, football is about winning college or pro. If you win games, I don't care what it looks like, win games. I mean, the Chiefs were much more fun to watch with Tyree Kill. They went back to back Super Bowls without him. Miami's fun to watch. They don't win enough. All right, so basketball is different, though. Optics matter, aesthetics matter. Guys make the hall of Fame that aren't winning players. So everybody, when John Morant breaks into the league, everybody's like, wow, John Morant three years ago was a better basketball player than Ant Edwards. And I didn't think it was necessarily close. And Edwards now is a significantly better player than Ja Morant. And it shows you what focus and maturity and dedication does. Yeah, it's not. When they came into the league jaws averaging almost 28, Anthony Edwards was averaging 21 and couldn't shoot. It's a totally different ballplayer now. Ant Edwards, not a GM in the league that would take Ja Morant over Ant Edwards. And Jaws spectacular. But he's gotten worse shooting the last three years. And Ant in his rookie season was a guy you didn't want taken threes. This year he led the NBA in three pointers made. And that's credit to an Edwards. You can see the time and the dedication and the focus that he has put into his game. And you can watch. He is a leader of that team. He is the unquestioned leader. Doesn't mean he's the best rebounder. Doesn't always mean he's the best defender. But they're giving him the ball to take a shot. And three years ago, everybody in the league would have taken John Moran. Nobody in the NBA now is taking jaw over Ant Edwards. Again, Jaws young. I understand that these guys, they come into the league at 19, 20 years old. Ant still only 23 years old. But you got the hand grenade thing and the grenade celebrations and the videos on IG with Ja Morant and it's like Michael Jordan got famous. Most of all because he was great at basketball. When you worry too much about the famous celebrity thing, keep the thing the thing. And you can see the time that Aunt Edwards has put into basketball. He is a completely patient, smart, well rounded, focused, mature player. And you can see that the team feeds off him. He's a leader. John Moran, super talented. But I look at Jaws numbers over the last three years. He shoots worse every year. Well, why you got to get in the gym, bro? That's what it's about. That's what this league's about. Keep the thing the thing. And I watched Oklahoma City and they're just a dysfunctional operation. Would they have been a dysfunctional operation? You know, once your star underachieves or your star gets into trouble, the coaching staff's done. The coaching staff is. It's like drafting a quarterback. If it goes sideways, everybody gets fired. So in the NBA and Edwards, he's going to ensure guys get contracts. The front office stays the same. Chris Finch gets extensions. That's because you can see the coaching with Ant and you can see the dedication by Ant. And it's again, I'm not trying to take a shot at John Morant, but it's like small guys that, that shoot poorly and it gets worse. Playoffs is not going to work now again, Oklahoma City is really good. Oklahoma City. And I was watching Oklahoma City hammer them and my Take over the weekend is. Listen, Oklahoma City may end up being. Could they be a dynasty? Could they do a Celtics or are they going to be kind of like a Milwaukee or a Denver and they win a title and then have to pay everybody and some guys leave or they have injuries. But. But Oklahoma City's really good and really deep and they create turnovers and they don't commit many. And they got a great gm, a smart young coach and a star in sga. So there's no, you know, it's not the end of the world getting clubbed by Oklahoma City. They blew people out all year. They just come in waves defensively. But it, you know, you watch that game and you're like, man, it feels like Memphis is rudderless. And that's on the star. It's just like the NFL if the quarterback works everything else easy to, you know, you get Jaden Daniels right with the Washington commanders. Think how bad the commanders were for 20 years. They bring in new everybody and you'd think, oh, it takes a year, you know, to kind of get up and running and create a culture. Now Jaden Daniels, really good. Even without a great roster, get to the NFC championship. If the star delivers. It just makes everything easier for general managers, coaches, assistant coaches, teammates. You watch Minnesota, those players and those coaches love Ant Edwards, and he's brilliant as an athlete, but he's patient. I mean, Minnesota led by, I think it was 11 and a half. He only had eight points. He let the game come to him. And again, that's listening to coaching that it's just impressive to watch these young guys come in. I mean, ant still only 23 years old, so they're kids. But I mean, it's. By the way, this also happened earlier today. Cooper Flag of Duke has declared for the NBA draft, which was not exactly a secret. He'll be the number one pick. It was interesting. The show before us, the facility was saying they were arguing whether he's. He's going to be a star or not he's going to be a star. He's essentially Jason Tatum, where he's B plus at everything, A minus at everything doesn't necessarily mean he's A plus at anything, but he doesn't have a lot of holes in his game. Probably has to be maybe a little better ball handler because the NBA is so fast and. But Cooper flag is going to be really good, I think, because I like the NBA, the Jazz, the Wizards, the Hornets have the best chance to get him. I would trust him with Danny Ainge and the Jazz, historically a well run franchise. I he's going to be good anywhere he goes, but I think there are certain places that he'll really excel. Utah, San Antonio. I kind of like Chicago's young players. Maybe I'm a homer because I have season tickets, but Cooper Flag has announced today. Now back to the NFL draft. Jordan Schultz on today. J. Mack back tomorrow. We have talked about this and we're doing this because I think we're both hearing kind of the same things. What we're hearing is Cam Ward, Tennessee Travis Hunter, Cleveland. That's done. The draft starts with the New York Giants at number three and as of now, this is not ideal. I think there are discussions in the building on who to take. Now Abdul Carter is represented by the very persuasive Drew Rosenhaus who gets his guys drafted high and I think in the Giants building. My takeaway, Jordan, I don't know what you're hearing but you know there's some Shador fans, there's some Jackson Dart fans and then there's also people saying neither one is worth the third pick. I would take shedeur. What do you think happens? Mike, turn your mic on.

[Cam Newton]

My apologies. I still think Carter is the favorite to go three. I believe that. But there has been a contingent building for Shador Sanders within the Giants building. That doesn't mean that they're not going to take Carter. It just means that three, four days out, Shador is still in the conversation. And because of that and because of the history with Deion, the fact that he can really be a star in New York, there's a lot, a lot to consider at 3.

[J.J. Redick]

Yeah, it's as good as Abdul Carter is. The Giants have had a great D line for years.

[Cam Newton]

What has it done?

[J.J. Redick]

Nothing. If Shador Sanders was a B to a B plus, that's three more wins or four. I mean, take the prioritized position. To me, looking to transform your business.

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