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Jason McIntyre
Hour two on a Memorial Day Monday. It's the Herd. Wherever you may, however you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac. Matt Hasselbeck is around the corner. You've got a story on Caitlin Clark at the bottom of the hour. Hope you had a great weekend. You ran into LeBron James, you said, in a volleyball tournament, you know, a huge volleyball tournament.
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Guest
He attracted a big crowd. Hey, quick question. Let me ask you. And I know you're not a big social media guy on weekends. You got a bubbly life out there in the Midwest. When you put something out about Caitlin Clark during one of her games, do you see like a. Just a tsunami of a reaction? Everybody seems to have thoughts on Caitlin Clark. She is. She's probably more polarizing than any NBA player right now.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I don't get the polarizing. She's good. Yeah, let's enjoy her. I don't get like, I understand, I do understand a little bit of the animosity with players that, you know, it's like when Bryce Harper came in baseball, nobody paid attention to us. Now you like the flashy new player and her game is flashy, so I get some animosity. But I always felt this. I remember when Manny Ramirez left the Red Sox and he came back and people were like, yeah, I don't know if I like him. And my take is you're the Red Sox. You could never beat the Yankees. I don't care what you think of Kurt Schilling or Manny Ramirez. You beat the Yankees, you won rings with them. Like if somebody makes my life better, like, I don't care if it's your ex wife. If you had 15 great years, appreciate it. Those, that's a big chapter in your life. That was good. So Caitlin Clark's making everybody's life better. You can fly Spirit Airlines or you can upgrade to private. That alone is a thank you card and gift. I mean, to me, I don't get the polarization. All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong.
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Producer
And plenty of both where Colin was right.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I. My inclination was when the push push got pushed through, it was because of Jason Kelsey, the soon to be hall of Famer center for the Philadelphia Eagles, who stood in front of the owners in a suit, got in a stance and made a declaration that it was safe. And the stories out today is Jason Kelce indeed was the reason he changed about three to four votes that it passed. Listen, the health and safety committee of the NFL wants to get rid of it. So it had to be an influencer. It had to be somebody with great conviction to sell it. An owner or a player or a coach. And the reports are it was as.
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Producer
We speculated, Jason Kelsey where Colin was right.
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Jason McIntyre
PFF came out last week ranked quarterbacks, all of them. Dak Prescott was 17th, one spot ahead of Tua and that's exactly right. I know y' all love him. He's a cowboy and he's rich and his intangibles from maturity to focus to leadership, I agree they're A. But as a thrower of the football, as an athlete it's C, C, B he is especially after a second major surgery in the middle of the pack and I appreciate PFF nailing it.
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Producer
Where Collin was wrong the Lakers need to deal.
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Jason McIntyre
Austin Reaves. I don't get the fascination but Dan Woicke reporting the organization loves him and they only have to pay him next year. 14 million and they see him as an absolute steal. I see him as a guy that got worked athletically against Minnesota's wing players. I see him as a guy that should be the fourth best player on a championship level team. I think he's a little less talented than Derrick White who I feel the same way about. If he's your fourth best player you should be vying for championships. But I'm wrong apparently. Where Colin was right Insiders now saying Jeremy Fowler reports that Aaron Rodgers many believe has his eye on Minnesota and that is why he hasn't signed with Pittsburgh. It's not just necessarily the personal reasons. I don't know it to be true but I have speculated he's too smart to think Pittsburgh's a good fit. Burrow twice a year with better offensive teammates and a better offensive coach. Lamar Jackson in a better organization twice a year. Pittsburgh is a bunch of Ls even with Aaron Rodgers and I think he knows it.
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Producer
Where Colin was right.
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Jason McIntyre
Zach Eady made the all rookie team. The former Purdue star I didn't understand the pushback on him. Mark Few came on our show and said he never faced an offensive college player that unstoppable. Dan Hurley came on the Herd and said the NBA doesn't know what they're talking about. He's going to work in this league and for Memphis he made the all rookie team. He's a guy that just kept grinding. He got better sophomore to junior, junior senior year and I think you're going to see continued improvement. He clearly has an excellent work ethic.
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Producer
Where Colin was wrong, the Eagles Signed.
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Jason McIntyre
An extension to Nick Ceriani. You know, I don't quite get the vibe. I think there's a lot of circumstances like Howie Roseman and Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley in the O line that elevate him. But you know what? The players like him. I don't have to get everybody. I mean, Philadelphia is a loud, high volume, high intensity town. And there's an argument he fits the Eagles more than any other team. So I can take it wrong on that.
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Producer
Where Colin was right.
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Jason McIntyre
Jordan Hudson reportedly wearing a new ring and not wanted Belichick's super bowl rings. It could be an engagement ring. Since I'm the only American media member that does appear to approve of this relationship. Once again proving I am not only America's honesty broker, but I'm a hopeless romantic, I see it working. I think they like each other. Relationships can be complicated, but there is a report that they have a future, that these two are a real thing.
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Producer
Where Colin was right.
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Jason McIntyre
NBA Western Finals between Minnesota and OKC is a ratings dud. I said I think the Knicks Pacers is going to get great numbers. And it has. This is not a needle mover. SGA is not a dynamic player. He's just a great scorer. It's a small market and Minnesota is not a huge basketball brand. So it doesn't surprise me that this is just not moving the needle. Like, I think tonight could be the best game in the series. If Minnesota wins it, I think that helps. If OKC wins, I think the ratings are just going to be abysmal. We've had this before. Duncan and the spurs, when they were running the league, were not a captivating team. Duncan was great, but he was the big fundamental. He wasn't dynamic, he wasn't a big personality. It happens.
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Producer
Where Colin was wrong.
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Jason McIntyre
Kenny Pickett, now viewed as the front runner for the Cleveland Browns quarterback gig. I don't get it. I just. I'm gonna die on this hill. Shador Sanders is gonna win this job. Pickett's on his third team in four years in his NFL career. Fifteen touchdowns, 14 picks. I don't get it. I, you know, nice kid. I think he's a backup. I think he loves football. But I, I said it when he came out. He's more of a second, mid, third round pick. He doesn't pop on tv. Great college play where he was going to slide. He faked it, stood, ran. We all ran out a thousand times. But I don't see it as a franchise quarterback. Colin right calling wrong on A Monday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL, joins us live. I want to ask you about the tush push. You can tell from the committees the league wants to get rid of it. And Jeffrey Lurie has, you know, the Eagles are a respected franchise. And Jason Kelsey, obviously, you know, he's just one of those guys, the grinder. He's loved by the NFL community. Do you think not passes for a year? If I said five years, tush push, do you think it's going to last?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I don't think it's going to last and I don't think they want to get rid of it. I just think they don't know what to do with it. You know, they really don't. And it's, it's, I think you said it earlier, it's a health and safety issue. That's how you move the needle on these things. There's probably just no data that shows that this is a play where people get injured. You know, what the NFL doesn't want. They don't want wasted plays like the extra point when they moved it back. And they don't want plays that the injury rate goes up. You lose star players. You know, I thought actually in the super bowl when Chris Jones went down, I thought, oh, well, if he gets hurt on this play, then this play has no, has no future. But I just don't think the data is there. And, you know, Jason Kelsey talking to the team, to the, you know, to the competition committee, that's not unusual. Like, I remember, you know, one time on the extra point, they brought in Adam Venatori to talk about that extra point situation. They brought in different long snappers that had gotten hurt on extra point plays. And, you know, they brought in special teams people to talk about the kickoff, the kickoff return. So it's not unusual. I just think that some people present their case better than others. And I would imagine Jason Kelce was probably pretty persuasive.
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Jason McIntyre
So on the Aaron Rodgers thing, when you're, I mean, at some point players get older like Kirk Cousins, and you do have leverage because you have $200 million in the bank and you don't want to play, you don't want to play. And Aaron certainly earned it. He's made a fortune. There's talk about personal stuff. My take has always been smart. People are often too smart to try to fool me that they're interested in something that's not smart. Pittsburgh's a tone deaf offensive culture. Minnesota is a really good offensive culture. If you were a quarterback and you maybe have a year or two left of all the teams, New Orleans, Minnesota, Pittsburgh. What would be your process on eliminating and including teams? What does matter to an older quarterback?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, who. Who likes me back? That's a really important thing. Like, yeah, I've been seeing the reports that Aaron Rodgers would prefer Minnesota. Who would not like. Everyone would. Great, great play caller, great head coach, great skill around you, Amazing defense on the other side of the ball. Yeah, I get it. But they seem to be already settled on J.J. mcCarthy as their quarterback. So I don't think. Listen, the quarterback free agency situation, when you're at the end of your career, it's very similar to musical chairs. There's only a certain amount of chairs. When the music stops, the music stops. And so I've been saying this for a long time. I believe I said it on your show. Aaron Rodgers is going to be with the Pittsburgh Steeler. All this other talk about all these other teams, it's not happening. I do not see it happening. There's no rush for a veteran quarterback. I think I said it on your show. There's no way he's signing before May 27th. Absolutely no way. You signed before phase. Phase three. There's no reason to, especially if you're a guy as experienced as a Rod. So, I mean, to me, I think that June 9th time when they have that mandatory minicamp is like, all right, if it's not you, then we got to move on as the Steelers. But to me, listen, is it the best situation out there? No, but it's. It needs to be mutual acceptance. And the music's about to stop soon here, and he's going to have to sit down or get out.
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Jason McIntyre
So I forget how you feel about Brock Purdy. I like him, but I do feel much like a Dak Prescott or a tua. He needs an offensive coach. He's got to have some weaponry. His contract, now that it's all been laid out, is not as punitive as initially thought. But my take is older teams get hurt more often and it takes longer to recover. So if you told me Trent Williams sprained an E in week two, I'd be like, this isn't going to be good. Whereas a, you know, a guy like an Allen, a Lamar, a Burrow, can. Is more able to overcome that stuff. When you looked at the Brock Purdy numbers, knowing this is a pretty old team at running back, at linebacker, at left tackle, at tight end, are you good with it?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, a couple of things. As a quarterback who played on the old cba, I see all of these quarterback numbers and I'm like, wait, what? You know, I feel like I was born at the wrong time. Like that's the first thing. But you like Brock Purdy. I love Brock Purdy. I put myself in the category of Kyle Shanahan. John Lynch. I think he's an absolute baller. I think he's one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the. In the entire game. I think he does things that quarterbacks don't get credit for, things that don't show up on your passer rating. I think he's a really good player. I also think that this is kind of a team friendly deal. He didn't handcuff them to the level that I believe that he could have. So I think this is a dangerous team. I think this is a team last year that had a terrible season. I think they could be a playoff team next year. I hear what you're saying about age and losing some other good players, but I think this is still a team that I believe in and for, for a good part. Yeah, he's a quarterback that needs a great coach and a great system. Great. What quarterback doesn't want that? So put me on. On. Put me down as a team that believes in this. In this quarterback. I like the signing and I think this is a good team to watch this year.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. I want to ask you about. I, I said it's a head. It's a head coach quarterback league. Very few players, even a TJ Watt, are not worth a point. That's just the way the league is. You get the right coach and you get the right quarterback, you're going to win 65 to 75% of your games. You're going to win your division. That's why the AFC is so much easier to predict than the nfc, because you have more great quarterbacks. So I said there are four people, of all the additions in the NFL that I think change outcomes. And my take was they were so bad at quarterback at Tennessee. I think Cam Ward will change outcomes. I think Vrabel takes over for a coach that was probably a coordinator elevated to a spot that was a little much that early. I think Geno Smith is one of those guys nobody wants to admit. You give him time to throw in a run game. He's pretty good. And I do think Ben Johnson, this would be my most controversial. Based on Caleb Williams and your belief in him, would you push back on any of these? Specifically?
- [16:49]
Colin Cowherd
I mean, I kind of agree with Cam Ward. He Gives you something. I just don't know if anybody's going to care. It's. It's kind of amazing to me, the lack of attention some teams get. Tennessee, Jacksonville, some of those teams, I feel like they deserve more. Mike Vrabel, I like that a lot. I don't think I would pin it just on Geno though. I think for me, I think what's special about that and I like Gino. I really like Gino a lot. I really think that Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, you know, this weird Tom Brady involvement, I think that's probably the top addition for me. And you know, we got Ashton Genty, we got most dirt. Like, I think that really is going to be a team effort there. I don't know that I would put Geno as the face of it, even though I think I agree with you. Ben Johnson's interesting to me. I think he's going to be hired much like. Much like Sean McVeigh was. He was hired. Sean McVay was hired to see if he could fix Goff and Gurley.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, the LA Rams, I think they were St. Louis to LA, you know, Todd Gurley, Jared Goff, who's the right coach for those two guys. Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential, who realizes his potential. Last year he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to like you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It just, it would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben Johnson is going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to, to. To realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is, I think, a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't who. Who we kind of thought he was before he was drafted.
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Jason McIntyre
Finally you see the position of quarterback differently than us because you played it, your experience, you can coach it. If you look at Burrow, Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, almost all the great quarterbacks, they're not slow builds. In September of the first year, Burrow was throwing for 325 yards with an atrocious O line and a coach we didn't know. So generally, if you have it, we see it pretty quickly, especially for first round quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels was like 28 of 31 in back to back weeks or there, thereabouts. How long? Because I think the weapons in the O line are pretty good. Now, how long will you give Caleb before you say warning? I'm not, I'm not. It can't just be wins because you can win games in this league and not play well. What will you look for with Kayla based on what you've seen and how long will you give him to become a hit?
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Colin Cowherd
I would have patience with him. I think he's got enough talent and enough upside to have patience with him. I don't think it's a quick. I don't think, you know right away. I mean, Troy Aikman started out really poorly his rookie year. Like they, they didn't do well. Peyton Manning, you know, he. I think he might have led the league in interceptions. Eli Manning got bench for Kurt Warner. Like there's all these stories of young quarterbacks. It doesn't start out well. Quarterback is such a team game. You need the people around you to play well. When you go to a team that has the first pick in the draft, they're usually not a great team. Now in Caleb's situation, I believe they built it really well around him, especially this year and they blamed everybody else in the building besides him. And so now I just think the spotlight's going to be on him. I would have patience, but at the same time, I don't know if Chicago will. I think they open up against Brian Flores defense. That's a beast of a defense with all their all out pressure, their simulated pressure. I wouldn't wish that for, for any young quarterback. But at the end of the year, I think a decision will be made on him one way or the other. And it's just fair to say if you watch the film, he's off to a very, very slow start.
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Jason McIntyre
Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday. Happy Memorial Day to you and your family. Appreciate it, bud.
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Colin Cowherd
You too. See you. Call him.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. Matt Hasselback. Always, always good on the show today. J. Mac, you were smirking. So you were looking at something with great intensity as I was talking there. What's going on?
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Guest
Well, you know, like there's this huge discussion around Aaron Rodgers happening with the Steelers and it's weird, the Steelers fan base seems a little torn, like do we want him or do we not? And I just wonder, you know, you never know when your stuff's going to cut through. I got to give you a shout out for your USC Notre Dame. That seemed kooky when you floated it was it last year and now it's coming true. But your idea of, hey, you know what, let's not Add Rodgers. Let's go. Mason Rudolph and Will Howard and see how that works. I wonder if Steelers fans here in the coming week are just going to say, I don't want the Rogers drama, the nonsense.
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Jason McIntyre
There's just always something that the baseball team's terrible, the hockey team's not making the playoffs. They don't have NBA University of Pittsburgh's ma. So the Steelers are like, there's football season and waiting for football season in Pittsburgh. And so I think it's hard when and you go into these psych. I can remember there being years that Willie Stargill and the Pirates were winning the World Series and the Steelers were great. I mean, it goes in cycles right now. Pittsburgh, they've only been great when they've had a great quarterback. And they're right now. Remember what we said last year? The Cowboys had the worst running back room in the league. We were right. We said, it's Dak needs help. The Steelers have the worst quarterback room. I wouldn't be surprised if you know the Kirk Cousins thing, I guess, but that just feels like you're just plugging a hole here. It's a little whack a mole. Offensively, I think your, your play is go with the young guys, keep the culture strong. You're not going to win a bunch of games and then go big game hunting next year. And you may have to part with a TJ Watts to go from like the 8th spot to the 2nd spot and get the kid out of Penn State.
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Guest
Yeah. By the way, remember how Belichick was not really wanted by any teams? They were like, he's too rigid once. I wonder if we're really close to that point with Aaron Rodgers and we're just like, it's the Steelers or nothing. Like, sorry, the Vikings don't want you. The Niners don't want, like, are we there yet? Where it's just like, no thanks. On Aaron Rodgers, that ship has sailed.
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Jason McIntyre
I, I, we will never know until Aaron speaks it into truth. Because Aaron, you know, he wants to be mysterious. So my take is if he wanted to sign, he would. Hasselbeck says it's May 27, so I don't, I don't My take so has been if he goes to Pittsburgh, I think they win one more game than they are now. I mean, I think that's what he's become. An older pocket quarterback who looked cold in outdoor, windy, cold games. He looked old and cold is what he looked like. All right. Live in Chicago, it's the herd.
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Jason McIntyre
Tonight. OKC can be a little shaky on the road against Minnesota. Chris Broussard will join us next hour. Here's J. Mac with the news.
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Chris Broussard
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This is the Herd line news.
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Guest
Boy, Colin, you teased it earlier in the hour. We got some bummer news about Caitlin Clark. She's gonna be out at least two weeks. According to the Indiana Fever. They announced their star player has a left quad strain. Kind of unclear when she strained it in the game Saturday, but two weeks means she's gonna miss some pivotal games. The league is gonna be. I'm sure the league office right now is just devastated because there's two huge national TV games that she's likely to miss. She's averaging 19, 9 and 6. The Fever are only 2 and 2, Colin, but both losses are by a combined three points. I don't care what anybody says, they're a title contender in this league and she's expected to miss two games against Washington. Nobody really cares about that. But There's a game against Chicago and Angel Reese on cbs. I believe it's in two weeks that she's expected to miss. And if hopefully she's back for a game against New York, another national TV game on.
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Jason McIntyre
So we have no video of when she actually got hurt.
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Guest
No, because she played to the end of the game and I don't know if maybe it was react. It was just like injured during the game. She played through it. But two weeks out that. Listen, man, that's a bummer. There's no way to slice it.
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Jason McIntyre
I, I have such a conspiracy theory on this, but I'm not gonna throw it.
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Guest
No, no, no. Float it. Come on. What are he saving it for tomorrow?
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Jason McIntyre
Come on.
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Guest
Let's hear.
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Jason McIntyre
Because of, because of all the combustibility of the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark rivalry and, and the league trying to bring the temperature down. They, they know they can't do this just for the Chicago game. So they said, let's cool it down. Let's have her. Let's have Indiana league saying let's. Let's bring the temperature down a little bit. Have her miss a couple of games pre Chicago. Of course, this is not true because you couldn't go to a team and say, please don't play your superstars.
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Guest
Oh, boy.
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Jason McIntyre
But I, I, my first thought that the tinfoil had. I quickly pulled it off. I do not believe this is true. But I get, I do get to at least acknowledge that it entered the brainosphere like for one second. And then I quickly grabbed the tinfoil and I threw it away.
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Guest
So people think you're still there.
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Jason McIntyre
Video of it. And she missed. She's gonna miss three games, but she played the whole game. There's no video of it.
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Guest
Probably limping, but it's, it's weird. People call you a silver fox, but it's not really silver. It's an aluminum tinfoil hat that you're wearing. They just need to look closer. But that, that's not a terrible theory. And you're right. The temperature is elevated. Boy, I was telling Martin here they're coming after Angel Reese. Like the Internet is just out on her. It feels a little aggressive at this point, but we'll save that for another day. Next up, Colin. Hey, it's a Monday. We got to talk about Aaron Rodgers again. He seems delusional right now, thinking that he's going to wait out the Vikings. Here's why. Vikings owner Mark Wilf went on a radio show talking about second year quarterback J.J. mcCarthy's leadership. Take a listen.
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Mark Wilf
He has A gravitational pull As a leader, he really does. I think the way the players support him. I think it's. Of course the talent is there. Coach o' Connell is glowing in his praises of how he's handled everything to date. And from an off the field perspective, we couldn't be happier. So all things are pointing in the right direction and we're going to be supporting JJ to have him be the success we want him to be.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I'm going to push back on that. What does that even mean? That's sounds amazing. Well, he's got gravitational pull. He's never played an NFL game. He doesn't have any pole. He's got to win game, by the way. You got to win games in this league. People are telling me, oh, this Spencer Rattler for New Orleans. He's 06, he's never won a game. I don't care how much everybody likes you in the room. I don't care about your leadership qualities. Got to win games in this league. Nobody cares. This is not baseball where it's stats driven or basketball where it's sort of like aesthetic driven. If you got style, if you got a game, people love you. NFL is about double use.
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Guest
Really?
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Jason McIntyre
I don't believe he's it. He's gravitational pull.
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Guest
Wait, so you're becoming quarterback wins guy. Is that your summer thing? You're going to be like, hey, wins. Well, I guess Lamar Jackson. You're out on him. Can't win playoff games.
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Jason McIntyre
No, I didn't say that. He wins 77% of his games. You don't have to win. If Dan Marino had pole his whole career. Talent plus W's and winning the. If you win the division. A lot of guys get paid on quarterbacks that win division. Coaches get paid when they win divisions. You don't have to win rings to get paid in this league.
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Guest
I gotta give Wilf props for gravitational pull. That's a Star wars reference, obviously the Death Star. And I'm a huge Star wars guy. I'm watching Andor right now. Colin. Hey, that's another show you got to get into. Andor. I know you're in the Star wars firmament. You like that stuff, right?
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Jason McIntyre
No, don't at all.
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Guest
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Jason McIntyre
No, I'm saying I'm gonna. I'm gonna see it when I get back from vacay. I'm busy. Okay, you're busy, I'm busy.
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Guest
The final story. This is in your wheelhouse. I'll stand down. Once again, Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan Hudson was seen at an airport in North Carolina with reportedly a ring on her left ring finger. This comes on the heels of what looks like a nice getaway on the water over the weekend. Oh dear. Jordan posted Old Bay with my old BAE on her ig. I am gonna just zip it, lock time out in my pocket. Take it away, big boy.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh my God. Old Bay with my old bay. That.
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Guest
I did not call for this. Just for the record, this is producers jamming this one in because they know you love it. I'm out on this story. Colin. It's dangerous.
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Jason McIntyre
And I, I don't, I don't think it's that dangerous. I think it's okay for people to be attracted to one another for various reasons. Not everybody. It looks like, you know, a supermodel. You could be attracted to people for a lot of reasons. You, a woman could be attracted to a man who's got his act together and is respectful and is thoughtful as a good listener. And a woman could, A man could be attracted to somebody visually attracted and sense of humor. The age thing is what attracts people is nobody can decipher it.
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Guest
Wait, so the age thing, it's not, I mean, I mean I do see a lot of 73 year old women with 24 year old guys. That happens a lot. Very often. Right. So I'm just gonna, you know, look up all those on the Internet. I think there's zero in the last like thousand years. But you know, I digress. There's nothing to see here. It's, it's summer love, as they say. Right.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I just, I'm not going to get into the game of trying to say why she's attracted to Belichick. Bill's not a bad looking guy. He's very successful. Whatever. That's not my space. Like whatever. Why does Anne think I'm attractive? Well, that one's obvious. But for most people it's not as obvious. So it's, it's a, it's a holiday. Let's, let's, let's wrap our arms around young love.
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Guest
By the way, I know you like to think you're a man of the people, but I'm actually out and about with the regular people. And this is the second most popular question I get in the last couple weeks. What do you make of this Belichick 24 year old thing?
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, I know people, they're into it.
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Guest
They'Re obsessed with this and you know, it's all guys asking, I wonder why that is, Colin.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I think it's gonna last forever. It's gonna be like meet the press stress of relationships. It's going to be, it's going to last forever. Gun smoke. J. Mac with the news.
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Producer
Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's. Sports is a cr. I. You know, the funny thing about sports, and I've said this for years, this has always been like my default line. I'm not a moralist. I'm not a moral. There are so many moralists on the radio that do talk radio and you can go find those people. I'm not a moralist. People do what they do. There's open relationships. There are power dynamics that are odd in relationships. You do you. What you're attracted to is none of my business. And so if it works, go for it. Now, there aren't a lot of 74 year old women attracted to 26 year old men. That is true. But again, the genders are different. You know, we do different things. We see the world differently. It's the herd.
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Jason McIntyre
So I saw a clip this morning. Rich Paul was on Rich Eisen show talking about there's a lot of rumors that LeBron's moving all the cards for the Lakers. He pulled the JJ Reddit card and he knew about the Luca move. Although, you know, ad some have speculated thinks LeBron knew about the Luca move before the Luca move. There's the Westbrook trade, which Rich Paul has said LeBron had no idea about that. But here's rich Paul on LeBron's current influence with the Lakers.
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Rich Paul
Clearly he don't run the team because there's things that transpired that he didn't even know about.
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Jason McIntyre
So like the Luca trade is what you're saying?
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Rich Paul
Yeah. So how is he? How is he, how is he running the team? There's one thing to have power and influence and there are guys who earn the right for some decisions to be, you know, rampass you or, or so for some teams to, to say, hey, what do you think about this? Or yeah, that's earned.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I, I think that's true. I, I have a very strong belief. Owner should own. GM said gm. Coaches should coach, players should play. Now there, there are occasional players who have a good sense of personnel, but athletes, an athlete's prism is selfish. To be an athlete, you have to be selfish. You give up stuff, right? And an athlete's prism is what's good for me and what's good today. And a general manager obviously has to have a more comprehensive view. That's why even as smart as LeBron is in terms of basketball, every team LeBron leaves is a shipwreck. Why? Because you build the team for the moment and the minute he leaves, you don't have any depth, you don't have draft picks. So it's all about winning. Now in his prime, I'm for that. I remember in Miami, I think there was a basketball player, I forget it was a Yukon player or something. There was some guard that LeBron liked that had a really good Final Four or a really good tournament. And LeBron reportedly like, liked him and he didn't do anything in the NBA. This is like the minute owners start meddling Jerry Jones, it goes sideways. The minute GMs start putting pressure on their coach or their quarterback, it goes sideways. One of the reasons Green Bay has worked for all these years in The NFL is that Murphy runs the operations, Guten Kunz running personnel. Their coach is an offensive guy, runs the team. And you get into problems when passive aggressive Brett or passive aggressive Aaron want to be like a little bit of coach and personnel guy. That's when the problems happen. Early Favre didn't. Early Aaron didn't. Anytime Green Bay has struggled. It has been a quarterback that wants to usurp certain power dynamics. And I just, I just don't think it works. You know, you can go and be, you know, conciliatory. Hey, listen, what do you think? Listen, we really care about your opinion, but I think, and I'll give you an example, Belichick's a brilliant coach. The minute Belichick took over personnel, the last seven drafts in New England were awful. I've said this. I can. I had a phone call. I was driving home two days ago, I had a phone call with the GM in the NFL, and I said, the San Francisco 49ers draft has Kyle Shanahan's fingerprints all over it. And this GM agreed. I said, I love their first pick. And then it looked like a bunch of picks that could help Kyle Shanahan. Now, that was not a John lynch draft. That, that Kyle has too much power. I felt Denver this year with Sean Payton. I didn't love Denver's draft. I thought there were a couple of reaches that felt like, this will help Sean now. And I love Sean. I think the best draft was Seattle. Why? Because McDonald has no power. Therefore, it was a John Snyder draft. The coach doesn't have any power yet. And it was a strict, by the way, what other coach doesn't have power? Todd Bowles, Tampa. Look at their last couple drafts. Really strong. So I, I, it's not one of these shut up and dribble things. Like, I, I, I think you should. LeBron in his prime or Brady in his prime, hey, what do you make of this guy? But I think it's better to ask LeBron in his prime, what do you think of this current teammate? Not how do you project this kid from Kansas who's an off guard. How does he know he's watching the NBA? But I do think you can go to a LeBron or a Mahomes and say, hey, man, how is this guy in the room? Do you trust him on routes? Is he a worker? Do the guys like him? I think that's when you go to a star, how does this guy play in the room? Tell me if you know. And that's why most great coaches in Every sport will have like a council, like a player's council. Players have player only meetings. That's the value of the star. Give me the temperature of the room, I'll keep it private. Who's not working. But I think asking a pro athlete to project, hell, that's hard enough for general managers to project who's going to be in the pros. You don't have any idea. Now, Rich Paul did say, and LeBron in his prime, you know, when his ceiling was unlimited, it's different. But right now, LeBron is a lease, not a buy. He's a lease. He's not even a lease to own. He's just a lease. It is very hard to plan your future around a player that doesn't know his future. So there's, there's. I think you. LeBron is squeezing every last ounce out of this career. But at this point, I'm not, I'm not terribly interested in like his plans going forward. You want to make sure when he bolts, when he jettisons the team. And that could be, you know, after this year, he's more into playing with his sons mode. He's more in the business mode, which I'm here for. He's earned it. But I'm not asking him for big opinions on personnel. Earlier today I said, I think it was Bleacher report came out and they listed a player on every team. That is the most dangerous new addition. It could be free agency, it could be the draft. I think it's coach, quarterback, league. I think there's four people that will change losses to wins. Cam Ward, quarterback for the Titans, Mike Vrabel, Geno Smith. Quarterback play was so bad last year. And by the way, if you notice what I'm saying here, all of these people, whether it's Cam Ward, Mike Vrabel, Geno Smith, Ben Johnson, what do they have in common? They are replacing somebody, either coach or quarterback who was bottom of the league. So competency to slightly above competency will change outcomes in these four players or coaches. Cam Ward, Mike Vrabel, Geno Smith, Ben Johnson. Matt Hasselbeck joined us earlier. The, the. I, I think you got to put a pretty quick timetable on Caleb Williams. I think generally, if a quarterback has a smart offensive coach, Tua got Mike McDaniel, Goff got Sean McVeigh, you saw it in three weeks. But Hasselbeck's taking a bit more of a practical approach.
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Colin Cowherd
Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential, who realizes his potential. Last year he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to like, you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It just, it would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben Johnson is going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to, to, to realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is, I think a one year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't who, who we kind of thought he was before he was drafted.
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Jason McIntyre
So we, we do this where we J Mac, you and I make predictions. They're called future bets. And, and we usually try to be optimistic. We take teams that we think will be noticeably better than they're over under. Last year I took Washington. Denver got it right year before Rams got it right year before Vikings got it right. I've said I think New England is my better than people think team. Let's just turn it for a second. If I asked you, okay, give me one team in the league that has fairly lofty projections, at least nine wins because this happens every year there's a tire fire. I mean last year it was the jets, like everybody projected them. Eight wins, nine wins. If I said let's, let's, let's flip the telescope, give me the team with lofty expectations. You don't buy this Pains me to.
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Guest
Do this because I got some buddies who listen to the show religiously. But I do believe the Detroit Lions pull back big time this year. Colin. A the schedule is much tougher, B the brain drain from both coordinators and C, they have now been, you know, two straight seasons like one of the premier teams in the nfc. They're not going to sneak up on anybody this year. Everybody's going to be hunting them because they're the team that, oh my gosh, they should be going to the super bowl. Nearly took down the Niners two years ago. I think the Lions, who didn't really change much personnel on the offensive side, the defense still needs some work. I think the Lions pullback wouldn't be shocked if they missed the playoffs. Colin I think it's going to be a tough go.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, it's interesting because you would look at their own line and their run game and you'd push back on that. But it is interesting to note that Philadelphia was that team two years ago with a stacked roster, had great success, lost both coordinators, missed on the coordinator hires and was awful Thanksgiving on so the point being is, do you really believe the best, most viable, dynamic candidate for Ben Johnson was the guy behind him? I don't. I don't know if Aaron Glenn is going to work as a head coach. I've got my doubts. But do you really think the best candidate in the country was the guy behind him? I don't.
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Guest
We just don't know. Remember, Campbell loves to go for it on fourth down, and when you've got Ben Johnson with the joystick there, he's dialing up great stuff. I don't know if the new guy is going to be able to deliver on 4th and 2 the way that Ben Johnson had for basically the last two years.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, I think we all know coach and quarterback drives this league, but there are multiple examples of coaches either flourishing or struggling, competent coaches with bad coordinators or bad misses. So I mean, I mean, I mean, just if you don't think coaching matters, obviously in football, look at the Chargers defense with Brandon Staley. Look at six months later, nine months later with Jesse Minter. It's the same players dead last to first. Look at the offensive line and the Broncos offense, Hackett to Sean Payton with a rookie quarterback. Like it matter. Coordinators matter a lot. Hour three and a Monday Next.
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