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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Alex Curry
Now let's get this party started.
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Jason McIntyre
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back. Our number two here on the Herd. It's a gorgeous Friday morning in Los Angeles. It's me, Jason McIntyre, in for Colin Cowherd I did speak with the big guy yesterday. He is enjoying the burning embers of his summer vacation in hearts unknown. I just like saying that because they used to announce a wrestling duo from parts unknown. I don't know if you guys remember that. Yes, I was a huge wrestling fan as a kid. I'm Joy by Alex Curry. Who? I don't know. Were you a wrestling fan or no? No.
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Producer
I will say now I appreciate the art of it because it is. It's art. It's acting. And I think when you look at it that way, like, it's not. You're like, oh, it's not real. It's like, oh, no, it's real. These are incredible athletes. But it's theater.
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Jason McIntyre
It's theater.
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Producer
It's theater. So you have to look at it like theater. And I was a big theater nerd as a thespian growing up. So, like once I think I like equated it to that. I was like, oh, I get it. This is cool.
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Jason McIntyre
Jake the Sake Roberts, Ultimate Warrior.
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Producer
I don't know names. I know the Roc. I love Dwayne the Rock Johnson. He's like my fave.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it seems like a nice guy. All right, coming up here in like six minutes. Holy cow, we got an all pro NFL quarterback, Marlon Humphrey from the Ravens. You know, there's a new ranking out. The best secondary in the league belongs to the Ravens. Interesting the way they're building it, but we'll talk to Marlon Humphrey soon. I want to go here. They. They love to do a good list on this show. They travel well online, so they came up with J. Mac. We need a six pack of teams that could win the super bowl and there's a couple obvious ones we'll get to. I could only find two in the AFC and four in the NFC. So here's my six teams as of right now, early July 2025. Who can win the 2026 Super Bowl? Let's start with that. San Francisco 49ers. They had a terrible year last year, but it was due to injury. Now they. Brandon Ayuk should be back. Although I'm seeing one report he may not start week one. We'll see. But Aiyuk should be a factor when he returns. Obviously the young fellow they drafted last year, that Christian McCaffrey comes back, Trent Williams still breathing. I think this is going to be a great team. The schedule is the great determinant with the Niners easiest by far in the league. They only face three playoff teams from last year. They don't Face any of the top five quarterbacks in the league, folks. The Niners are a Super bowl contender. I would say a minimum of 12 or 13 wins. Next up, my pick to win the super bowl next year, the Buffalo Bills. They've been knocking on the door for a few years. Josh Allen, obviously tremendous. They came up a little short in the playoff game in Kansas City. We will not relitigate the terrible officiating in that one. Obviously Buffalo had some self inflicted wounds trying to pull off the tush push, brotherly shove, whatever you want to call it, repeatedly. And it failed. The Bills did add Joey Bosa. Not a bad pickup. Josh Palmer from the Chargers, Tridavius White. Not sure what he can give you as like a nickel dime cornerback, but they also have a very favorable schedule and they've won the last five AFC east titles. Wow, I did not realize that. It's been a while for my jets the the third team. I think they win the super bowl next year. Bit of a dart throw here. Washington Commanders. So instantly I get pushback. Well, the Texans had a good first year with CJ Stroud. Then they fell back a little. Still made the playoffs. I thought Washington adding Laramie Tunsil and Debo Samuel was just a stroke of genius. I think this is a really good team. I think they'll push the Eagles in the NFC East. They're vastly superior to the Cowboys and Giants and you just, you look at the continuity. Kept their head coach, kept both coordinators. Terry McLaurin's holdout should be done here shortly. Folks. I know they got slaughtered by the Eagles in the NFC Championship game. They will be much better. That win over Detroit in the playoffs. I mean did Jaden Daniels making the leap in year two? I'm bullish on Washington. I think they could win the Super Bowl. Team number four. Yes. You got to go for the Philadelphia Eagles. They are favored to repeat. I do think it'll be a challenge. I would not bet them to repeat. Offensive line is formidable. Saquon Barkley coming off a heavy usage year scares me a little bit. You know I have Jalen Hurts as the fifth best quarterback in the NFL. They did lose their offensive coordinator. They lost Makai Becton, Josh Sweat, Brandon Graham, Darius Slay, C.J. gardner, Johnson. That's like six starters gone. But the Eagles are going to certainly be an 11 win team and there's just too much talent not to be in the super bowl discussion. Next up. Yes siree the LA Rams, they are really. The arrow is super duper pointing upward for them. They had the best off season according to one report. You know they grade the moves. One one report had the Rams having the best off season. Adding Devonte Adams certainly helps they lose Cooper cup. But Devonte Adams and Puka, that is pretty impressive. And their drafts the last couple years between Puka, Jared Verse, Fisk, they've just hit home run after home run. This is a really, really good team. If the offensive line holds up, they should make the NFC championship. Finally, my final team of the six pack that can win the Super Bowl. And it's not just because he's coming up as a guest here, but Baltimore Ravens number one secondary in the NFL. Obviously the Lamar Jackson a Derrick Henry combination is just filthy. You have to love adding Jair Alexander as like a dime cornerback. They got him on the cheap. Malachi Starks should form the best safety duo in the league. I know he's only a rookie, but he and Hamilton should be really formidable on the back end. If the wide receivers can stay healthy. I mean, listen, if Mark Andrews doesn't drop a two point conversion, I don't know. Are the Ravens in the in the Super Bowl? Do they beat the Chiefs on the road? Is a really, really good team. The Ravens will certainly be there. Can Lamar deliver in January? That's the big question. So those are my six teams that can win the Super bowl. The J Max 6 pack. They love this photo. And look at the jets on a dinghy. Is that what that is? A dinghy?
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Producer
An inner tube, a safety tube, whatever. Someone goes overboard, you toss it to them.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Basically the jets are overboard for a good 15 years now. All right, let's get to our guest, Marlon Humphrey joining the herd. The all pro cornerback from the Baltimore Ravens, college football legend. What's up man? How you doing?
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Alex Curry
Nothing much, feeling good. Enjoying the last couple days before I gotta start the real world, so I'm feeling good.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Let me ask you, what was the summer like? I mean you, you've been on a hiatus. Did you go travel the world? Were you just grinding on football? What was going on?
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Alex Curry
A lot of golf, a lot of, a lot of less sleep nights. I just had a. Well, not just that, but got a six month old now.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh.
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Alex Curry
So it's been a different off season. Definitely not my norm. But I just got into golf, so golf's been great. Football training and then a lot of family time and we just got had a family vacation. So it's really good. But it's been great. Life has been really good.
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Jason McIntyre
Real quick on the golf. I find golf A little slow. You know, I like the up, more up tempo stuff. How do you handle that transition football? Fast and powerful and golf is just like taking it easy.
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Alex Curry
Yeah. I became a member of a country club that doesn't have a crazy ton amount of members. So people are going too slow. I just leave that hole. Go to skip around a lot of different holes. So I've made it kind of as fast as I, I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. So honestly I might be telling on myself, but I've made it a little bit faster. But that is sometimes the bad thing of golf. It, it takes, it can take some time. There's some slower players and I feel like if you're not, you're gonna be a slower player. You at least gotta be good. And most people that are slow are not good. So that needs to be a new rule for sure.
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Jason McIntyre
I hope your wife likes it when you say, hey, I'll be back in five hours. I'm going to play golf. My wife doesn't. Anyways, let's get to the NFL aspect. So Pro Football Focus recently ranked the secondaries in the league and you guys are number one. A, is that a surprise B, obvious. And C, you know, a lot of defenses these days, Marlon, are building. Hey, you just need edge rushers. Let's start there. Cornerback is secondary safety and linebacker. Forget it. But you guys are kind of built different from the back end.
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Alex Curry
Yeah, I think for me, honestly we were 32nd last year. I believe last in the league. So for us to be ranked number one does not really mean anything to me. I just would love to not be last. I would love to be number one. That would be amazing. But I'm really focused on what we just did last year. We got essentially most of the same guys returning. So I would love to finish number one. That'd be great. But I do know right now the only thing on my mind is we were the 32nd ranked and that was. That's, that's not cool. And that's just not very good. So I'm trying to fix that before we even think about being number one.
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Jason McIntyre
Toughest quarterback you faced last season?
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Alex Curry
Oh, the toughest quarterback I faced last season would probably.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean he faced a lot of good ones. That's a problem.
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Alex Curry
Oh, Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow. I don't even know. Yeah, Joe Burrow. A surprising second even though we ended up winning that game. But I felt we caught them on the earlier end. Jaden. Jaden Daniels. We caught them pretty early. On, but I just remember, I'm like, man, for his. Gotta be a rookie. He's, he was just so poised, so smooth. Seemed like he never was really phased, honestly. So I think from a young, young talent perspective, he's, I mean he already is a, is a star, but he was, he's pretty good.
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Jason McIntyre
Interesting. So no mention of Josh Allen there. I don't know. Buffalo fans are gonna take that as a slight. Or did you, you know, it was Josh Allen easier to prep for?
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Alex Curry
No, I think they, their game. Well, going off their playoff game plan, it just was a pretty. It was a playoff game plan, I felt. And they didn't really have him do anything crazy that they didn't need to do. They were. I thought their game plan was really good against us and they just kind of kept us on our heels and we, we just couldn't really, we couldn't really make the plays we needed to make. I think you, you see more. I feel like you see a little bit more from a quarterback in a bad way when they score a lot of points on you and either you're ahead and they're trying to come back and the quarterbacks really got to just full blown carry the team. But Josh Allen, Bobhar managed the game. Yeah, that playoff game in just a great way. And I. Obviously they beat us and you know, we played Jalen Hurts. But that was another to me, a simple, simpler game plan. And so there was. We played a lot of good quarterbacks, but the ones that seem like, yo, this guy's pretty good, obviously Joe Burrow and then Jada.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, let me quickly, you mentioned playoffs, so I'll ask about it. Listen, you guys have had some tough endings to the season. Obviously, you know, the, the, the loss in Buffalo was just brutal. I'm just curious what, what's the mood like after that? Because every season you guys go in thinking we got a shot at the super bowl and then to come up short again. I don't know what was the vibe like? Do you remember that day? Pretty closely.
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Alex Curry
It's, it's not the best. I think it was a lot of uncertainty I felt for myself or some of the other guys. Didn't know if you. They'd be around the next year, including myself. And so there's, there's a lot of uncertainty. Obviously. You know, teams change every single year. Felt that you had a really good roster at the time. So yeah, it was just a lot of uncertainty. It was a lot of, you know, kind of what happened, you know, what did we do wrong Here. But it was definitely, you know, obviously every year, if you don't win the super bowl, it's a. You didn't get the objective. But over my past eight years, it was definitely a. Definitely a different feeling of just. It was just different. I don't know if it was because we thought we had a good team or what, but if I had to put into words, it would be just a lot of uncertainty.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I don't know if Lamar is a golfing partner, but I'm sure you get this a lot. Hey, man, when is Lamar gonna carry you guys? One day in January. And I know when is a team loses a team, but he has had some playoff games where he hasn't been MVP caliber. What do you say to people when they. When they ask you about. Or maybe nobody asked you about this? I don't know.
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Alex Curry
Especially I. I don't get asked that too often. I think I, I, you know, as a player, I don't really see it as a just quarterback only type stat. I know that's kind of how it is. It's all about, you know, the quarterback got. But I usually try to focus on, you know, how can we help? How can we play better? How can we win the game? On defense? There's been a lot of past Baltimore Ravens defenses that have, you know, led teams. All I know is that the biggest stat is, you know, we haven't really had. I think we've had one turnover and all of Lamar's playoff games. So I know it's all about the quarterback, but, you know, when you look at the numbers, you look at the stats, you look at the reality. The Baltimore Ravens defense hasn't really helped out at all or even done their part to win some of these playoff games. And that's kind of the biggest focus on us in the defensive room this offseason. And that'll be the folks in training camp practice, and it'll translate to games.
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Jason McIntyre
A little inside football, but the Jair Alexander edition. Does this change anything for you? Do you prefer playing on the inside, outside? Does it matter?
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Alex Curry
Or.
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Jason McIntyre
Or. Because the secondary is pretty stacked right now.
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Alex Curry
Yeah, yeah, it didn't matter to me. I was super excited to. To add him to the. To the squad. I. I actually tried to hit him up on Instagram, but he deleted his Instagram. So I was, like, scrambling get his number, and then by the time I even could get it, I see him in the building, so I'm like, all right, sweet. And I. I talked to him, and I'm just super Excited. We got a lot of great players in our secondary this year. I think the way we want to play, who plays where, matchups, we put, you know, all our best guys on the field. I'm just super excited. I think you just can't go wrong adding a guy like that. And so I'm really excited for this year's secondary and excited for us to just make a lot of plays and hopefully he'll. He'll help, like I said, with getting those turnovers in the playoffs. You've done it before and I look forward to doing it again.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me quickly ask you, I noticed you played in 2015 at Alabama on a loaded team with Derrick Henry. Is that the most dominant team you've ever been on or was there a Ravens team you felt that was more dominant? Because you guys. I'm looking at the results 2015, you guys just eviscerated almost everybody.
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Colin Cowherd
We.
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Alex Curry
Yeah, it would be. It would be hard. I have been on the number one defense in the NFL, but that Alabama team was just next level. I think everyone on the starters ended up getting drafted into the NFL. You're freaking giving the ball at Derek Henry 40 times a game. Nobody could stop it. So it was honestly pretty crazy to look back on that team and you know, obviously the next year we end up losing a Clemson, but it would have been great to repeat. But that, that, that 2015 team, it was just. It was just loaded. And I don't. I don't know if they're. That domination is. Can only be done really at the college level. But that was. That was a great year.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. All right, we could wrap up. You. You got a movie. Nothing but a Winner. It's a documentary. Tell us about it being part of the process. What's that been like? And. And any comparisons to football.
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Alex Curry
Yeah, so it was great. I am executive produced. Nothing but a Winner. Me and my sister. She's an actress in la. It was a great opportunity that got presented to me and I was able to be a part of it and kind of have inputs here and there and different things. It's basically just about, you know, the history of two great coaches at that happen to be at the University of Alabama. Some of the wins, some of the, you know, ugly losses. The kick six for my Auburn fans out there. Tune in to see the hat and, you know, kind of how Bama came a part to be, you know, with segregation and different things. First, you know, athlete, African American athlete at the university. So a lot of different things going on with it, but it's just basically a documentary about just greatness, our form, the process of it, all the great things that kind of. And the rich history of Alabama football and just winning coaches. That's the biggest thing is you can take away whether you're Alabama fan, not Alabama fan. It's just really a documentary about just something great. And it'll be out soon and it'll be. It'll be really good.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it sounds like July 31st in theaters. Congrats on that. I'm curious. A lot of people look to set themselves up for a post career. You just turned 29, so you got a ways to go, but is Hollywood where you want to go next? Or, you know, a lot of guys transition to the media or you could, you know, do what Cam Newton's doing and just start a podcast and try to rabble rouse that way. What do you think? In post career.
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Alex Curry
Had a lot of different thoughts. Media was one. You know, Hollywood would be. Would be awesome if I chose that route. There's, you know, that's something I kind of think about. You know, obviously you do football for a long time and you're. You kind of figure out what do you want to do after. There's so many different ways you can go. But I would love to. You know, I always wanted to direct a movie. I always wanted to play in a movie. So I've always wanted to do something around that space. Maybe not full time, but the cool thing about all that is that's something you can do and do something else. But media, Hollywood, all those things are kind of things that interest me. It just. We'll just have to see when. What happens when I. When I retire, what the wife says, you know, she'll. She'll always have a big part in that. I wish I could be a pro golfer. If I could do that, I would. That'd be the biggest one.
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Jason McIntyre
But no way.
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Alex Curry
I think I missed too many reps when I was 6, 7, 8 years old. You can't get back. And so the best I could do now is maybe break 80 one day in my life and I. I'll consider that my Super Bowl.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, let me ask one more thing. I. I just was watching those highlights and I thought about something. So Travis Hunter is coming into the league as an elite cornerback and wants to play both ways. I'm assuming in high school you were playing both ways and dominating. But Marlon, my big thing, the second he said this, I was like, okay, so you got to play the Ravens, so you got to go tackle Derek Henry. In space, then go to the sideline and come back on and run a bunch of pass. That's impossible. How on earth is he going to be able to do this? And I'm just curious your thoughts on. On. Did you play two ways in high school and yeah. Is this Mission Impossible for Travis Hunter?
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Alex Curry
I. I think, you know, he is very talented. I think he's me watching. I think he's a really, really elite DB based off the, you know, a couple of games I saw this past year. But to do both, it seems very Mission Impossible esque. You know, I think Dion obviously did a little bit of it, you know, back in his day, but I just think the game has changed so much since then. Dion was clearly light and day the fastest guy out there. Nowadays, everybody's fast. You know, I think of Jason Kelsey, that dude's running up on you just as fast as a dagum receiver tight end. So I think he's really got a tough challenge ahead. I think eventually he will realize, man, it's really, really hard to do this at a high level where every week you're playing a top NFL team. It's not like college where you know, there is teams on everyone's roster where it's like, this should be a pretty easy game. And that's just not the case in the NFL. And I think he'll, I hope he has success with it and I hope he just decides it's just too much for me as opposed to, you know, he kind of struggles with it, but I definitely think he has the ability to do it. But I more just think the stamina to do it. I don't know if anyone has that to do it for a full NFL season.
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Jason McIntyre
You played with Derrick Henry in college. Now he's your teammate. Have you, I'm just curious, have you ever tackled him? What's. What the hell is that like?
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Alex Curry
The problem is he's so tall, a lot of times he'll. You go low, he. His knee will actually hit your head. And it's, it's a lot. He's this stuff got a tackle. He's a. Somehow I don't know how he gets stronger and faster in the fourth quarter while everyone else seems to be fatiguing. And I think that gives him a lot of his advantage. But his exception, speed. He's so tall, he's getting on the edge faster than what you think. And if you, if you don't go now, it's, it's bad. And his stiff arm will throw you around. But it's Rough. It's something at the corner. You think, I shouldn't be doing this. I don't want to do this. A linebacker D line should be doing this. But when you do, got to do it. You got to, you got to run your feet. Try not to close your eyes and try to get them down.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Good stuff. Marlon Humphrey. Check out his movie, nothing but a winner. End of this month in theaters. Congrats on everything, man. And good luck this year.
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Alex Curry
Yes, yes. Thank you so much.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. Marlon Humphrey, who's a budding golfer. Who knew? I had no idea. But I hope Travis Hunter was listening. Did you, I mean, did you hear, did you see the reaction? Alex? He almost started laughing. He's like, yeah, that's mission.
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Producer
It's hard. I mean, again, like you, you never want to deter someone from reaching a crazy goal that we've never seen before. I mean, people laughed at Shohei Ohtani when he said he was going to be a power hitter and an ace pitcher. Obviously it's way different on your body, baseball compared to football. But again, don't knock it until you, until you try it. I, I think that's kind of most players reactions are going to be what Marlon's reaction was, but again, he's very impressed. Producer golfer. Like, like, that was a good interview.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Marlon Humphrey, fun. Coming up next, Terry McLaurin has made commanders fans a little uneasy this offseason due to a contract dispute. Alex will have the latest next year on the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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LaVar Arrington
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Jason McIntyre
Back here on the Herd. Good stuff from Marlon Humphrey. And I think that soundbite on Travis Hunter. Not going both ways. Wide receiver, db. I think that's probably one of the smarter things I've heard from an NFL player this summer. Travis. Just. Just be smart, man. You can be dominant at one, you can't be dominant at the other. I heard. Alex. I heard a really smart thing. I got one kid going into high school.
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Producer
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And one kid in middle school. And someone smart told me, you know, Jay, in high school, there's three things you could be good at. Academics, you could be good at athletics, or you could be good socially. You can't be good at all three. You can pick two. It's impossible to be good at all three. No, it's not. How can you excel academically? Athletically and socially. Going to parties all the time, Being a. What do you.
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Producer
I did.
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Jason McIntyre
You got, like, a great, great grades and everything. And you played sports and socially.
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Producer
I did.
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Jason McIntyre
Wow.
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Producer
You can do anything.
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Jason McIntyre
Maybe you're a unicorn, Alex.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know.
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Producer
Do anything you put your mind to. J Max mentality. Yes, it is. Well, I mean, again, yes, it is.
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Jason McIntyre
We're talking about, like. And again, I don't know what you're. I didn't get a great GPA in high school, but my kids certainly will.
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Producer
I was the oldest, so I had to set an example. And, like, I didn't get certain benefits unless I had good grades, played soccer, and I. Yeah, it was a social.
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Jason McIntyre
So good grades now versus when we. Well, you're not as old as I am. But when I went, like, I didn't.
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Producer
Even have a 3.0.3.5.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. That. That doesn't get you in anywhere now if you don't have, like, a 4. 0. Well, it did back in the day. And, like, I got in good schools without a 3. 0. I don't mind admitting that. Sorry. To my parents listening. They were crestfallen. But, like, now you gotta have, like, a 4. 0 because everybody else has a 4.
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Producer
I know.
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Jason McIntyre
And it's.
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Producer
I also maintained that through college, too.
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Jason McIntyre
That's amazing.
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Producer
Yeah. I was strict. Work hard, play hard. Always been my mentality.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I think with Marlon Humphrey and Travis Hunter, like, just do one. Don't. Like Dion did punt returns.
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Producer
The thing is, though, like, you don't want to, like, put someone down before they even try something. Like, let him try and let him figure it out on his own, because if you force someone and tell someone they can't do it, you're you're crushing a possibility of something that can be great. Let him come. Like he's going to figure it out pretty quick because it's a different game in the NFL from college.
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Jason McIntyre
That's the problem in the NFL. Like, hey, go figure it out. Go tackle Saquon Christian McK and you get hurt and you kind of ruin the freshman year, rookie year. I. It's, it's just more at stake in the NFL trying to do both. Dion returned. Punson was excellent.
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Producer
Who knows though, he might be able to do it. Like, don't tell someone you can't do it until you at least let them try.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, if I were the Jags, I would tell him. You can't do that.
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Producer
No.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, Alex at the news. No, no, no.
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LaVar Arrington
Turn on the news.
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Jason McIntyre
This is the Herd line news.
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Producer
Well, we're gonna start in the NFL with one of your six pack super bowl teams that you just talked about. The commander's wide receiver Terry McLaurin has been one of the NFL's holdouts this offseason, coming off the best year of his career. And the veteran skipped mandatory minicamp in June. And one of the franchise's legends is speaking out in his defense with Joe Theisman wanting a quick resolution. Take a listen.
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Joe Theismann
That would be a major problem for all of us that appreciate what the commanders have done, what Terry has done. Terry's a dear friend. He's just a great young man, a great leader. And you know, you talk about intangibles. His, his intangibles and his value to this football team are even more outweighed, I should say, than his, than his talent, which we know is extreme. He needs to be paid. He needs to be paid right away. We need to put this issue behind us as a football team. He is one of the leaders and he's a guy that you can always count on. You can always count on them in practice. You can always count on them in a game.
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Producer
Joe Spitting facts right there. Now the thing is, is he's, he's currently making about 15.5 million this year and he's looking for a contract that would put him at the $30 million range. It's still not top wide receiver money because you still have what Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, CD Lamb, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, all making more than him. That would put him in the St. Brown, Tyree Kill, Brandon Iuk, all making 30. And there's also a couple things to consider here, right, because Jaden Daniels is still on his rookie deal. So you have the ability to pay him because eventually you're going to have to pay Jaden Daniels the big bucks. And we saw how great he was with Jaden in his first season. You don't want to take away a top weapon from a quarterback. Going into his sophomore year, we saw what happened with CJ Stroud when he lost Nico Collins for multiple games in his second year. Like this, this is what he's familiar with. This is what made him success in his first year. And again, like he's earned the Money. He's had five straight 1000 yard seasons, a career high 13 touchdowns last season. The only thing I think kind of working against the commanders, and I was thinking about this when you were talking about them in your, your six pack of super bowl teams is they had the, the factor that no one knew what to expect. Last year there was a lot of new, new head coach, new quarterback, new oc, like everything was new. Now everybody has a year, year of tape on these guys. You're not surprising anybody. Like you were, you're one of the guys that have the, the bullseye on your back.
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Jason McIntyre
You were good and you were really.
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Producer
Good and now people are gunning for you. So you need all the health that you can get. And everybody that made you successful last year, yes, they added Deebo Samuels. So that's also going to be a great addition. But you want to give Jaden Daniels every weapon that he can have right now.
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Jason McIntyre
The only thing I can see that's holding this up is he's 29. Turn September.
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Producer
Okay.
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Jason McIntyre
And unlike the NBA, you get to 29, it's like, oh, I don't know, you maybe have a couple good years left.
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Producer
The best career of his.
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Jason McIntyre
So are you paying for past performance or future?
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Producer
That's usually what you're paying for. But also like he's. If you're at your peak, this is, this is when you can pay the guy.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. And Jaden is. I, I think give the guy a three year deal. You can't let him go into the season with no, no future money because he gets hurt or something. Yeah.
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Producer
And you want him there for training camp. Like you need to figure.
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Jason McIntyre
I think it'll get sorted.
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Producer
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
This usually happens in the NFL. It's like, what's going on? Okay. It's fine.
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Producer
It's their only, it's their only source of power. These players, as you hold out, it's what you have to do.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Producer
So I think they get it done. They should get it done. They need to get it Done if they want to be that same team that they were last year. But let's head to the NFC South. The Falcons are giving Michael Penix Jr. The reins for this season after making him the starter for the final three games last year. Now, despite not getting a ton of starts under his belt, Pennix is not looking to make 2025 an extended rookie campaign, and knows that all that matters.
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Alex Curry
Is winning postseason organic in the postseason. Seeing like the dirty bird nest and like all the little highlights of fans is like, man, like, they get rocking whenever we win it. So, like, I definitely want to get back to that, you know, winning when. When a football game so we can have a city turn.
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Producer
Falcons haven't had a winning record since 2017. Yeah, that's brutal. Positives is, you know, Penix is saying all the right things. This is what you want to hear. Like, yeah, obviously, like, you want to.
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Jason McIntyre
Get to the playoffs, you want to.
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Producer
Win a game, you want to do all these things. But also, like, the Bucks have kind of run the NFC south since Tom Brady, when he was there, when he left. They still have Kirk Cousins on that roster on the bench. Have you been watching quarterback?
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Jason McIntyre
A little bit. You know, we touched on Kirk yesterday. Yeah.
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Producer
Yeah. Interesting. So there's an interesting energy in that quarterback room. But can they. Will they return to the.
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Jason McIntyre
I think they win the division.
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Producer
You think they'll win over the Bucks? Bucks just brought everybody back.
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Jason McIntyre
They did, they did.
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Producer
Except, you know, and they took less money to bring everybody back. Like we were talking about. If you want to maintain the guys on your team, no matter what sport you're in, you're going to have to take less money. They literally are, like, doing the Tom Brady Patriots way is what the Bucks are doing.
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Jason McIntyre
Except they lost their O.C. cohen and. And he's really good now. I know Baker's dealt with that before. Yeah. I'm just looking at the Falcons defense. They got a pretty nice defense. They got to just get after the quarterback. That's it. And they got two guys in the draft that they hope one of them can deliver. We'll see. I. I'll go. Falcons over the Bucks and 9 and 8 versus 8 and 9. It's going to be close. I'm gonna.
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Producer
I'm gonna take the Bucks over the Falcons.
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Jason McIntyre
Y. Bucks have pulled it off, what, the last two years?
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Producer
I'm pretty sure three.
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Jason McIntyre
Maybe three.
- [37:25]
Producer
Yeah, yeah. Like I said, like, since they've had Tom Brady, they've run that division.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Producer
Even after he left. Okay, let's wrap things up with baseball. All Star game is right around the corner with the game Tuesday at 8 Eastern on Fox. Fanatics has put out their top 10 bestselling jerseys since opening day. And the Dodgers lead that list, holding three of the top five spots. I mean, obviously no surprise. Shohei Ohtani at the top, Freddie Freeman at number three, and Mookie Bets at number four. Aaron Judge is at number two, which, yeah, you got the two MVPs, right? Raining MVPs one and two. But I mean, I'm not surprised here. The Dodgers have three superstars. They're the champs. They're a winning team. Can like, they still like what we were talking about yesterday. I haven't checked after last night if they still have the best record in baseball. Yeah, it might because they didn't play. They didn't play yesterday.
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Jason McIntyre
I think it's the. No. Yeah. They are narrowly the best. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Detroit Tigers, which is wild. Does Detroit have anybody on that list?
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Producer
No.
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Jason McIntyre
How do the Cubs not have anybody?
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Producer
Nope. Superstars, you need super. These are guys that are not just superstars, but like obviously with Ohtani the face of the league, everything that he does and is doing is breaking records and creating history of Freddie Freeman, who had that in insane grand slam walk off to. To win a playoff game. And then Mookie, no matter where you put him, he's gonna, he's gonna do great in that.
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Jason McIntyre
None of those top guys have been on the same team for several years now. Usually the top. One of the top selling jerseys is a guy changes team so everybody gets a jersey.
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Producer
Since 2023, Otani has sold more jerseys than any other in the U.S. yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, it's just us. Us?
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Producer
No, in the U.S. japan and worldwide.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so I'm seeing here Tigers have six all Stars, but none of the top selling jerseys.
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Producer
No, it's also a smaller market. Like LA is a top market and Dodgers are one of the top brands and franchises in baseball. So it's like you kind of have like everything going for you. You have the star power, top market, the LA brand like this. It's iconic. I'm biased though, so slightly.
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Jason McIntyre
With the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie news. You know, cowherd raves about the staff we got here. These guys are funny. So coming up next, we have a very funny segment that I think Alex is going to love. We'll do that next year on the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and.
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Jason McIntyre
Should be a good one. All right, so Jalen Hurts has written a children's book. I don't know if you guys are aware of this. It's titled Better Than a Touchdown. So our crack staff saw that and was like, oh, and Alex is pregnant. She's gonna be reading a lot. Why don't we show. Here's the COVID of the book on on FS1 better than a Touchdown, written by Jalen Hurts. Pretty cool. Hey, who doesn't love a good children's book?
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Producer
I love a good children's book.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh gosh. So good. So here we go. We've got some book ideas for Alex that you'll be reading, and they're kind of humorous. Okay.
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Producer
I have no idea what's happening.
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Jason McIntyre
Let's go. Oh boy. Everyone has heard of Goodnight Moon, everybody knows as a classic, right? Yes, but your child will sleep better when you read Goodnight Goat, a bedtime story about putting AFC opponents to sleep, featuring Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Goodnight Goat. You like that one? Well, if you like that, everyone knows what happens if you give a mouse a cookie. Another classic.
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Producer
These are classic.
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Jason McIntyre
You can in your sleep. We got a young staff here. I can't believe they. They're aware of these. But this story is about what happens if you give a quarterback a giant contract. And if you get some of that same ending every January. If you give a quarterback 160 million. A little harsh, Dak Prescott, but we.
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Producer
Just talked about this. This is one of the stories. It's like you're the highest paid quarterback. You need to.
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Jason McIntyre
You need to perform.
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Producer
We need playoffs.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, listen, there's a lot of famous children's books. Obviously, Dr. Seuss, the places they'll go. That's famous. Everybody knows that one. But you need to remind your kid, Alex, what happens when you get drafted by the Bears. Oh, the hits you'll take. Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson feature prominently in this one. Now, Alex, I gotta warn you, you may have an unruly child belt.
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Producer
Yeah, yeah, she already is. I have one.
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Jason McIntyre
She's bossy, kind of unreal. She.
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Producer
She rages in my belly all day.
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Jason McIntyre
But it has. It'll remind you of the classic where the Wild Things Are.
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Producer
Oh, my favorite.
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Jason McIntyre
And how about the better story about a misunderstood quarterback who finds his way to the end zone where the wild throws are. Yes. Sean McDermott. Look at the Buffalo Bills gear. Bills are going to win the Super Bowl. Just putting that out there. All right, Alex, next up, you'll be teaching your kid about Curious George. Love me some Curious George. But what about his shadowy guru who questions the moon landing? The man in the yellow conspiracy hat with Aaron Rodgers on the COVID and his mustache, written by Mike Tomlin. That's going to be a big winner. Now, obviously, I'm sure you know the Very Hungry Caterpillar. Very popular book. But before that, there is a love story that's also a cautionary tale. The Very Calculated Caterpillar. I just let that one sit out there. Who's featured on the Apple. Belichick. And not gonna mention I'm gonna get in trouble for that one. Finally, that covers the world of football. But we don't want her to miss out on other sports. Okay, you've read Everyone Poops, Teaching children the nature of things. But this one is about pooping. It's about hooping. Especially if you're from Serbia, Slovenia, Greece, or even Canada. That's more than okay. Everyone Hoops by Adam Silver. His new league featuring international stars. And finally, everyone knows this fantasy series. But when there's a little older your kid, she's gonna Love this version about the Dodgers. A team so rich in talent, they'll hunt for one ring to rule them all forever. The Lord of the Rings with Shohei Ohtani. Dave Roberts. Look at that. Now that looks like a winner. You're definitely gonna read that one. So just some. Some good children's reading fair.
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Producer
Oh, thanks, Alex.
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Jason McIntyre
That's what you'll be doing most of the rest of this year.
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Producer
Yeah. I mean, till November.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Producer
So, like, good. Like football coming back just in time when things get interesting in the football.
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Jason McIntyre
Season those first few months, I think I've told this story on air, but, yeah, when you're checking out of the hospital, yeah, they just hand you your baby, and they're like, see you later. And I'm like, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm on my own. What do we do? You know? And you just start to forget.
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Producer
Everything that's kind of been, like, my entire life is like, I don't know, like, I didn't go to broadcast school. Like, I didn't do all this. I was just like, oh, yeah, no, I'll figure it out. We're just gonna go. We're just gonna do it. See, don't tell someone. They can't. That goes back to our last conversation.
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Jason McIntyre
But you're now responsible for another human yourself. Hey, I can figure it out, but I got to say anyways. All right, we'll go quickly back to the NBA. So Mark Medina came on earlier. We covered the Cooper Flag aspect of Cooper Flag versus Bronny. Mark Medina. I, I, I thought I saw a different Bronnie. It's very limited. He's not, you know, playing heavy minutes. Good. But he was in the G League last year. I saw a different Brony last night. Here's Mark Medina talking about Bronny against Cooper Flag.
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Mark Medina
From what you saw last year and Bronny's summer league debut, he's a lot more aggressive. He's a lot more decisive. He was really getting into it with Cooper Flag, trying to size him up defensively despite having that size disadvantage. What this means for next season, who knows? He didn't get a lot of playing time beyond that debut with LeBron James opening night, but there is a pathway for him to at least be at the end of the rotation because he has a great practice player. He's all about the right habits, and he doesn't have any kind of sense of entitlement, even though, you know, LeBron is his dad. He is very coachable and is someone that really tries to you know, chip away at his different weaknesses, but the biggest thing that he's trying to really lean on with his calling card is defense.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, and I totally agree. I think that's a great take from Mark. Like, that's gotta be what Bronny does. An Energizer offensive guy pushing tempo and a defensive factor. And I saw Fran for Shella. The great NBA analyst had had an interesting tweet yesterday. There were only 12 players under 6ft tall in the NBA last season. Guys. Bronny's only six one. And that might be generous. So he's on, like. Like, the smallest end of players in a big person league. So you've got to find a way to fit in. I don't know how he pulls that off yet. And compounding matters will be this LeBron situation. As we talked about, you know, right before the show came on. I mean, Something happened with LeBron, and he's just unhappy with the Lakers. And now it's like, well, I asked you to get me the coach that I wanted. I got it. It. I asked you to draft my son, and I got it. But now I'm unhappy with what's unfolding now. And it's like, it's just a weird spot for LeBron. I'm sure it's a weird spot for Bronnie. I. I'll ask you guys. Let's say LeBron plays his final year and then retires. What do you do with Bronnie? Do you keep him on the roster? LeBron's not here anymore. Like, it's a tough spot. He. His window all of a sudden is shrinking to, like, dude, you gotta make it happen in the next, like, I don't know, 12 months. It's getting difficult for Bronnie, and I. I don't like the LeBron vibes, but I do think everything's gonna be fine. All right, coming up, final hour of the week, we're talking a little Cooper flag and a new report on LeBron and the Lakers. It's not great. This is an I Heart podcast.