Michael Hawley (7:29)

Hey, good to see you too, Colin. I'm doing great. Just getting ready for the Depression. That is certainly coming tonight at Boston Garden. And I think it's officially a home game, Colin, for the Celtics. But there have been a lot of Knicks Fans at Game 1. Game 2, I'd say was probably 75% Celtics fans, 25% Knicks. Who knows? Some of these Celtics season tickets ticket holders say, I'm gonna sell my tickets, let these New Yorkers come in and celebrate. So I think it's going to be a 5050 atmosphere, a lot of orange and blue at the Garden tonight.

Colin Cowherd (8:03)

So it's interesting. Obviously the Tatum injury is awful, but new owner, $500 million payroll. Horford, old Drew Holliday looked really old. Porzingis not the mystery illness. Could I not argue, and I know it, forget the Tatum injury, but they were going to lose this series to me pre Tatum injuries. Four minutes before that injury, New York was making every basket and had total control. Could I not argue, regardless of the Tatum injury, that getting knocked out is a little bit of a wake up call, that there are still elements here that it needed tweaking anyway, what you don't want to become is Milwaukee holding on to something after a title or Denver. Now, Michael holding on to Denver's not a title team. Milwaukee got way old. There is a glimmer of hope losing to the Knicks. It's a little bit of a wake up call maybe. Yeah.

Michael Hawley (9:03)

It's just. Kyla, you know what, you know how it is. New York, Boston, you're right. But it's. You don't want the wake up call to come. Now, New Yorkers involved, Boston, New York, that goes back years. But I would say this, I think that was coming anyway. So let's say they win the championship. Let's say they sweep New York and they take on Indiana and beat them. They win the championship again. Well, Drew Holiday is unlikely to come back because of these payroll issues. Porzingis was unlikely to come back. Either Horford's going to retire or go somewhere else. So they, they had some tweaking to do. Anyway. This wasn't, this wasn't necessary. You can't lose back to back games at home at the start of the series the way they did. Like look at game one, they're up by 20 points in that game and the Knicks come back and win it. So you can say we'll never let that happen again. We won't miss 45 threes again. We won't shoot like that. And they came back in the next game, they were up by 20 and they did the same thing again. So I don't know if that's a talent issue or is that just. Your perspective is all wrong, your philosophy is all wrong, and you need to adjust that.

Colin Cowherd (10:25)

Yeah. I thought Joe Zula has had a bad series. I'm not some. I used to always joke with Bill Simmons. I said, you're too tough on coaches.

Michael Hawley (10:31)

That's an understatement.

Colin Cowherd (10:32)

Yeah. I mean, I said this. He has one. He has one club in his golf bag. It's like, guys, when the three shots aren't falling, ISO ball, top of the arc is not good enough. You watch Chris Finch pull levers. Spoelstra Kerr for years, Tom Thibodeau pull levers. I don't think Joe has pulled the right levers. I don't think they're going to. J. Mac has said on my show, if Missoula gets embarrassed, he could be gone. As a former coach, I don't see Brad Stevens as a run him out of the building guy. Do you know?

Michael Hawley (11:03)

No. And the Celtics. Not only is Brad Stevens not that guy, the Celtics aren't that organization. I'm trying to think about the last time they fired. I guess the last time they fired a coach. And it was an unusual circumstance. It was Ima Doka, but Doc Rivers was there for nine years. Brad Stevens was there for nine or 10 years. They had the Doka situation. But they love. They love Missoula and what he's doing. This is not a philosophy that he invented. It's something that he endorses. But this is organizational. They love three over two, and we like the pressure it puts on defenses. We got guys who can shoot it, and we're going to take advantage of it. So he has had bad series before. I don't think this series even losing in five games, which is a real possibility, I don't think that will get him out the door.

Colin Cowherd (12:00)

So I just defended Belichick. I said, listen, you could be Uber trying to overtake taxis. You could be Oregon. Years ago, when I was on the West Coast, Michael was looking up at Washington and USC and ucla, and they said, you know what? Those are traditional powers. We're going to wear a thousand uniforms. We're going to hire this guy from New Hampshire, Chip Kelly, have an offensive play every 13 seconds. We are a disruptor. And now Oregon looks down at all those schools, and they're not Penn State. The advantage of not having great tradition. You can go. New North Carolina looks at Clemson. Now Clemson's dug their feet in. No nil, no portal. And Carolina is like you know what we're going to do in Oregon? We're going to go to a pro model. We're going to hire Belichick, Mike Lombardi. We're going to go total pro model to a basketball school. And Jordan Hudson and Bill are actually simultaneously catalysts for the change. She's beautiful and cool and on social. Bill's an NFL guy, not a college guy. I am defending. They are being disruptive. And that is the only way, Michael, as you know, to catch the big dog, to catch taxis, is to be Uber and do it the opposite way. But that said 24 and 73 makes people uncomfortable. How is it playing for iconic Belichick in New England? What do people think in Boston?

Michael Hawley (13:24)

They're freaked out. They're freaked out by the college, and I am, too. This is so. This is so out of character for him, not being in love or in, like, whatever he is with a beautiful woman. That's not out of character for Bill. What's out of character is the loss of control. He is a grade A control freak. He doesn't like anybody to speak for him. He handles media situations. You can argue sometimes he handles them poorly, but he handles them himself. He doesn't like to be out there and anybody to kind of represent him in a way, it makes him uncomfortable. But this has all changed. And I know we tried to walk it back a little bit and saying Jordan has nothing to do with North Carolina football. I don't believe that. He gave her. He gave her power, and I don't think he has taken that power away. She's not going to be as visible with North Carolina football, but I believe that she's going to have a lot to do with it. So it's just. It's not the Bill Belichick that we saw. It's not the honest Cincinnati Belichick. It's not the guy grumbling in front of the media and giving you one and two word answers. It's actually Belichick stepping back and letting someone else come forward. It's shocking.

Colin Cowherd (14:42)

So I was telling a friend that was grumbling about politics in America, and he was grumbling. He said, my party, Democrats are lost. And I said, listen, Democrats were lost pre Clinton, then they weren't. Republicans were lost pre Reagan, then they weren't. I said, if you find the right person, it's amazing what happens to a political party. And I feel this about the NFL. Patriots are lost. I think Drake May is the next Justin Herbert. I think Grebel's great and I think they will be the most improved team in the league. The last three years they have been lost. They've been tone deaf to offense. They can't draft. I think this is the beginning of a great 10 to 12 year run. Are people that. I really do. I think again, I think if Michael, it's a quarterback coach league. Buffalo was a mess then.

Michael Hawley (15:36)

They're not.

Colin Cowherd (15:37)

I think. I think this is the beginning of the next great chapter. Are you that optimistic?

Michael Hawley (15:44)

I am not that optimistic yet. So 10 to 12 years, that's saying a lot. And I. And you kind of toned it down because. Didn't I hear you say. I said I'm so glad we're talking today. I got to talk to Colin about this. Didn't you say they're going from worst to first? You got them in first place in 2025.

Colin Cowherd (16:03)

No, I said. I said they're going to make the playoffs. They're going to be. They're going to be. Every year I pick a team that's going to double their win total. Last year it was Washington. This year it's New England. The year before, by the way, it was the Rams who were considered a rebuild team and made the playoffs. Year before that it was Minnesota. I may stink picking winners against the spread. I'm really good on finding a cruddy team that gets good. And. And I think Gerard Mayo is a wonderful guy, but I think he was a classic coordinator, not a head coach. I think Vrabel's worth four and a half points alone a game.

Michael Hawley (16:38)

Okay. I'll give you that. I love Mike Vrabel and I don't know if I've ever told you this story. I covered him in high school. We were about the same age, by the way. Okay. I had just started at the Akron Beacon Journal and he was at a high school called Walsh Jesuit and he was a defensive end, tight end and the same wise ass then that he is right now. So I've known him for a long time. I root for him. I'm a big fan of his. But I think their talent got to the point because of Belichick, their talent was so low. I mean, I think they're bottom five talent in the league and this infusion of free agents and draft picks, I think best case scenario probably gets them to the middle of the pack talent wise. They still have some work to do, so I think they'll be much improved. I got them at seven or eight wins max. I'd be really surprised if they find enough in year one under Brable to get into the playoffs because it's just too much damage done the last four or five years.

Colin Cowherd (17:40)

Finally I want to circle back to the Knicks and the Celtics is. I think one of the things I love about sports is the cultural changes. Three three point shots in the nb but it's really interesting. These playoffs have been fascinating, Michael, because the NBA has always swallowed the whistle in the postseason. This year it's a tug of war, it's a fist fight. And I'm going to make the argument circling back to this that if this is what the league is going to allow in May and June, that the Knicks today are better built than the Celtics going forward. Big physical defensive coach, get a bucket. Superstar guard that they don't. The Knicks don't need a massive swing. They need to get more consistent at center. Cat can't defend Mitchell Robinson can't hit a free throw. But the league, this analytics sounds great, Michael. Until the league says, yeah, we're going to officiate the playoffs totally differently than the regular season and that New York may be better built going forward.

Michael Hawley (18:48)

I might buy that. If the league says we're going to be consistent with this, we'll go back. We won't go back to the 90s when the Knicks and Rockets were in the playoffs and all those scores were awful. All those scores were in the 70s and 80s. We're not going to go back there, but we're not going to allow just anybody. We're not going to allow finesse ball. We'll do something in the middle.

Colin Cowherd (19:09)

That's right.

Michael Hawley (19:09)

By that I'll say right now, and I didn't think this last week, right now the Knicks are a better team.

Colin Cowherd (19:16)

They are. Yep.

Michael Hawley (19:17)

But Colin, I got something for you. I'll tell you who's better than both of them and my pick to win the NBA championship. Oh, get ready. Indiana Pacers. The Indiana Pacers I think are more physical than the Knicks. I think they're better than the Knicks. And I know New York says, hey, we had, you know, we didn't have Jalen Brunson last year. He got hurt and broke his wrist. The Pacers are a team. We're talking about Celtics in New York. We need to be talking more about the Pacers. And I think with your theory, what the NBA allows, I think that suits the Pacers more than anybody else in basketball.

Colin Cowherd (19:54)

Well, Halliburton and Caitlin Clark, middle of the country's got their basketball point guards ready to go. Michael Hawley, who's been doing great work forever A New York Times best selling offer, multiple books on Belichick looks about 29 years old. You do not age, my friend. You are sharp and I swear to God, Vrabel is starting to look like me. And you look, as always, you do great work. You know, I respect the heck out of you. I appreciate you coming on.

Michael Hawley (20:17)

I appreciate you, man, anytime. You know that, Colin.

Colin Cowherd (20:20)

All right. Michael Holly, who's just been doing great work in the Boston area for a long, long time. And I get to watch all those Boston guys, you know, I told you that. FELGER ON RADIO Michael, Michael Holly Kearns doing stuff that's good market J. Mac, how about that? You called Indiana. You've been a pro Indiana guy for two years now. You know what my friend on the volume, Jason Timf, he said two nights ago, he said Indiana's gonna beat New York. I'm sorry. If you're gonna allow physical play. They got. Indiana is long, big.

Jason McIntyre (20:59)

That's what she said. So, Colin, if you look at last year's Knicks Pacer series, Two of the four best players on the Knicks were Dante DiVincenzo and Alec Burks. Okay, they're out. Enter Mikhail Bridges and Karl Anthony Towns. This is a way better Knicks team than they had last year against the Pacers. That being said, yes, the matchups are good, but they got three guys they can throw at. Halliburton, Bridges, Hart, and I do believe OG Anunoby can get physical with him. The Cavs had zero. You know, Darius Garland, you know, they're calling him Darius Garbage in Cleveland this week. They're so angry with Garland, the injury, the shooting. Cleveland didn't have any matchups for Halliburton. Siakam went nuts. I think this is a great series. And the Knicks playing at home, assuming they get by Boston 95%, I'll give the Knicks, I'll say the Knicks in seven and a great, great series.

Colin Cowherd (21:48)

All right, good stuff. Coming up, Chandler, Parsons, last hour. It's the NFL schedule released tonight. We know some of the big games, but I do think it matters. I think the order of games matters for coaches on the hot seat for teams with offensive lines that are new. Like Minnesota is revamping their offensive line. Chicago has rebuilt their offensive line. Kansas City's got questions on the offensive line. Niners have questions on the offensive line. That is a hard unit to grow cohesion. So those teams, I mean, there's like, I think Chicago is going to be really good, but I don't. I think September, I'd rather get the losses out of the way at Baltimore, at Detroit. I don't think you're beating those teams late. I think Chicago needs confidence building. Wins over Cleveland, the New York Giants, the New Orleans Saints, teams that could be resting starters to get a better pick late because I think Chicago is a playoff team. And you want to go into that playoff winning 5 of 6, 6 of 7. 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Texas is going to be playing Georgia. We're all going to watch. You know, I pouted when I'm 11. I'm a sports fan. I don't pout now. I just stuff changes. Get used to it. So. And college football today is better. It's got more movement, there's more transitioning. It makes you uncomfortable. Like Belichick in Carolina. There's. It's a little odd, but that's the world we live in. I do think baseball had to be dragged kicking and screaming into change. And now they're playing over in Japan and they played in London and I think it's more fun. So I just think this is part of it. I'M I'm, you know, I think, I don't think it's good, you know, having a west coast team go east, but I look at it as an opportunity. You're going to take 25 year old kids, you're taking them over to the Dublin or Spain. It's a great opportunity and both teams have to play in it. So Minnesota is a little weird playing two games, right? Roger Goodell talked about the international growth. We feel like this game is, is, is destined to be global. We expect to be in Asia, we.

Jason McIntyre (28:12)

Expect to be in Australia soon.

Colin Cowherd (28:14)

We're going to, we're going to make.

Michael Hawley (28:16)

Sure that our game is available around the globe.

Colin Cowherd (28:19)

And listen again, Netflix and the NFL, they won in America. They're looking, they're looking for the next frontier. I, you know, Brazil seems a bit far for me, but I'm going to London in a couple of weeks. It's quicker for me to fly from the east coast to London than it is to Los Angeles. So it doesn't bother me and I think it's a great game. Listen, we've seen international soccer come west. Everybody wins. It's a good road trip. Jay Mack on the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.

Jason McIntyre (29:01)

London, I love that city. That's going to be fun. Thanks for the invite, by the way, buddy.

Colin Cowherd (29:05)

I'm going with my son. That'll be more fun anyway.

Jason McIntyre (29:08)

More fun than me, I guess. All right, Colin, let's get started. Indiana Pacers. You know it, baby. My team extinguished the Cavs last night with a win. They were down 17 early, came back behind Halliburton. Cleveland, shockingly went 03 at home in this series. That was after not losing consecutive games in Cleveland during the regular season. Here's Donovan Mitchell talking about the feelings of losing in the playoffs.

Colin Cowherd (29:34)

I haven't been asleep yet. Probably watched the game twice. It's tough, man, the embarrassment. I hope we all feel it and I think we do, like 64 win season.

Michael Hawley (29:47)

We were slated to be up here.

Colin Cowherd (29:51)

We lost 4. 1. I will defend them. Indiana's really good and they went into this series with a bunch of injuries and they just never found their rhythm. So, I mean, Tatum got hurt. By the time Tatum was hurt, New York was winning the series. These guys came into a series. No Mobley, they didn't have a point guard, Garland.

Jason McIntyre (30:10)

So he missed a game. It's not the end. Well, I mean, so let me look at it from this way. So Donovan Mitchell, where is he in the hierarchy of good Players because Colin, our staff put together a list. He's played in the league eight years. He's made the playoffs every year. He can't get out of the second round of the playoffs now. I know it's hard, but he was in the west right with the Jazz and then he's in the east with the Cavs and it's like, I mean there's a little bit of a bad look. And I'm not blaming Mitchell, he's superb. Darius Garland had a rough series. You know Colin, interesting. Once you drill down on the stats doing the post mortem. The Celtics and Cavs were two of the best three point shooting teams this year.

Colin Cowherd (30:47)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (30:48)

What happened in the playoffs? Both went cold. The Pacers out shot the Cavs from three in the series and it wasn't close.

Colin Cowherd (30:54)

I, I for the record am a huge fan of this. I have been on this now for. You've been here for five years with me or four years I've been on this. I like analytics. I don't love them. And that NBA playoff basketball has always been about two things. Get a bucket and get a stop. New York's really good at getting a bucket and a stop. They're really good at it. Indiana, this three point Avalanche. And I think, listen, Adam Silver commissioners have a right. People aren't talking about this. Roger Goodell did not like the catch rule. He literally changed it in a Super bowl between New England and Philadelphia. Remember the Eagles had a juggling catch in the end zone and they gave it to him. They said okay. And Adam Silver came on our show and talked about this homogenous three point parade. Well, what stops it? Physical play. Right. Bumping players, not calling the whistle. These playoffs have been about teams by the way. Minnesota, New York, Indiana, they get stops and they get buckets. We don't think of them now now ant his three point shooting was through the roof. But if you really watch what is happening, the league tweak their rules. We're going to allow the most physical basketball we've, we've ever had and it, it's, it's hurting finesse three point driven teams.

Jason McIntyre (32:29)

That's a fair statement. I don't know where the Cavs go from, from here. I do think the Tatum injury in Boston means Cleveland should be like guys, we're freaking close. Can we get a three and D wing? We thought it was DeAndre Hunter. He's probably not that guy. He was close. It certainly is not Okoro, but they need a three and D wing. I think the Cavs can win the east next year. Colin. It's basically next year. Cavs, Knicks and Pacers. I'm sorry to Boston fans. You're not there unless you make a big move for the season. Next up. Oh, man. This game last night between Denver and OKC was unbelievable. You know, before the game, there was an interesting story that emerged from a good reporter, Ramona Shelburne. And buried in the story was a beef between Russell Westbrook and Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon called Westbrook immature earlier in the series, and the two got in a heated discussion. So, of course, people were not happy that this got out. Here's Aaron Gordon addressing the report.

Colin Cowherd (33:27)

Really? I don't feel like talking about the game. Earlier. I caught wind of an article that came out about Russell Westbrook and in our locker room after Game 2, which was a completely arbitrary article and pointless and unnecessary. That conversation wasn't for anybody other than our own group and the internal workings of our locker room. So that article is just so arbitrary and so far from the truth. Russ has been amazing for us, and not only is he a great basketball player, but he's an even better human being.

Jason McIntyre (34:07)

All right, let me be clear here. He did not deny the stuff Ramona Shelbourne reported. It very clearly happened. He's just unhappy that it got out. Now, I'm curious. Here's your thoughts on Russell Westbrook and Gordon having beef.

Colin Cowherd (34:20)

Well, I mean, Russell Westbrook had beefs with kids at games. I mean, Russell is a lot, and I have defended him all postseason. He is a kind of one gear, a hundred mile an hour, one hundred mile an hour personality. He can't downshift as a guy or as a player. I love the energy he brings to a team in Denver that often looks old and tired. So I have supported him. But I just think this is Russ. I know LeBron's camp felt exhausted by Russell Westbrook. They were exhausted by him. Just that. He just. He didn't like anybody.

Jason McIntyre (34:56)

Kevin Durant.

Colin Cowherd (34:57)

Yeah. I mean, so Durant got tired. I think Russell is. That's his personality. He has got one gear. It can be unbelievable. It. It is valuable, but it is. He may not be somebody that you're. You're not going to have the kind of relationship that it's just easy. Russell's not easy. And that's okay. Not everybody is.

Jason McIntyre (35:18)

You've started to use foxhole guy. Listen, Russ appears to be a great human being. All the reports are that he's great. I think he has a chip on his shoulder dating back to high School where he wasn't heavily recruited. Then he sprung up with a gross spurt and UCLA is like, come on down. He's had beef with Steph Curry historically throughout the league. He's very jealous of Steph Curry. And this, this report is just kind of a killer. That being said, Colin, can Jokic force a game seven? Can he get them there? Because listen, they've been, they've been the better team in these last two games against okc. They just fell apart late because they were exhausted. They had nothing left in the tank.

Colin Cowherd (35:55)

Now I, I think OKC is going to win the series. I think they're just. Denver is. Denver is so overly dependent. I mean, it's like congrats to okc. That's my feeling is. I mean, it's just like, I think the Knicks won the series and I think the Thunder have won the series. Remember, Houston had what Oklahoma City has in terms of depth of roster, but they didn't have finishers. OKCs got finishers on that offense. It's not Fred Van Vliet. It's the best scorer in the league and one of the best twos. Like Houston has a lot of okc, but you don't trust them to late in games you trust Stephen Butler. OKC is the better team. And I, and I think, I just, I think it's over.

Jason McIntyre (36:40)

One last note on Russ. Last three games of which Denver's lost to Russ is 6 of 27 shooting. So that honeymoon phase against the Clippers, that's over. He's missing open shots now. Final story, Colin. Tonight, Timberwolves look to close out the warriors and Steph Curry's not coming back. He is not going to play. He's referenced that multiple times. But I think we need to give some props to Julius Randle, who has been amazing in this postseason run. He credits an NBA legend for shaking his reputation as a player that fades in the playoffs.

Colin Cowherd (37:11)

I've battled through a lot in my career, to be honest. So, I mean, my first game in my career, I broke my leg.

Jason McIntyre (37:19)

You know what I mean?

Colin Cowherd (37:19)

So I've been through a lot. I had a great mentor in Kobe, you know, that didn't necessarily let me pout or get down on myself. You know, his thing was always, alright, what's next? You know, how can you get better, how can you improve? So I always just kind of took that mentality with me. This guy deserves a ton of credit and so does the coaching staff. I remember when he was a Laker and the league was transitioning to a three ball league. And the feeling was Randall like a Tristan Thompson, the culture was changing and it wasn't going to benefit his game. He became a little better shooter outside in New York and now he's become a better distributor and a true number two. This is a combination of Julius Randle working his butt off and not letting a new culture and analytics define him. And it's also a credit to the Minnesota staff because you and I didn't trust him in the playoffs last year. I didn't trust him early this year. I talked to Chris Finch off the air. I was like, I don't know if Randall works. I'm not. And he's like, it's working. Just give us time. Well, you watch him now and you're like, that is a player in a staff. He's obviously a coachable player and this is obviously a very good coaching staff. This is the magic of good coaching where, where like you could have said Randle is just listen, he's just, he's a good number three. His ability to take coaching take to it and Minnesota's ability to see the gem that he is. The Lakers couldn't figure out how, what to do with them and Minnesota has.

Jason McIntyre (38:54)

You made a great point. The maturation of Randall and again and I want to just hammer this home to guys who are looking at Cooper flag and saying, oh, he's going to be Scotty Pippen or this. Like we looked at Randall and said, oh, he can do this, he can't do that. Well, here he is six, seven years later doing the stuff that he wasn't doing before. Like you said, he used to be a black hole. When the Knicks got in the ball, it was going up. He's not passing anybody. He has now become like a triple double guy. He had a triple double the series. He has been excellent. I didn't see it coming. Colin, he's been a clear number two. I am curious. He's going to probably go up against Chet Holmgren next round.

Colin Cowherd (39:28)

That's.

Jason McIntyre (39:28)

That's going to be a difficult matchup.

Colin Cowherd (39:29)

Holgren's long.

Jason McIntyre (39:30)

I kind of like the Wolves in that series. I don't know where you are. I mean it's early. Obviously neither series over, but it won't be as easy for Randall next round.

Colin Cowherd (39:40)

I don't know who I like in that series. I, I really don't. I. We both like Minnesota over Golden State, I thought. But I like. I don't know. I, I think when I think of Minnesota, I think of Ant and coaching I think they've this is a bunch, Minnesota's got a bunch of disparate parts that should not be this good. I mean, honestly, Conley's way past his prime. Ants emerging. Randle was always a three masquerading as a two. Gobert's got no offensive game. Nas Reed, energy guy, undrafted and it all works. Hey, Matt, we say this all the time in the NFL. Patriots never had, you could argue with Randy Moss. They did. They never had the best roster. I would argue Kansas City doesn't have, I mean, Kansas City's 1, 2 been in three straight Super Bowls. They don't have Detroit's roster. They don't have Philadelphia's roster. I don't think they have Baltimore's roster. It's, it's a lot of this is coaching and using B players and elevating them, the B pluses and A minuses. And that's what the Chris Finch and his staff have done.

Jason McIntyre (40:39)

You mentioned the Chiefs. We will talk about them a lot tomorrow. Their schedule is brutal. Colin, it's not fully out yet, but what we've seen.

Colin Cowherd (40:48)

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It's awful. Almost overwhelmingly all over 75 it wasn't the common cold but the fear mongering was terrifying. Like, like nobody wanted to leave their house. The stock market fluctuations, they're down, they're up. It's all going to be okay. About a year ago, year and a half ago in sports. Now this doesn't obviously is not a perfect analogy because it doesn't really mean anything but watching the overreaction to certain running backs not getting a contract was ridiculous. Nobody the NFL running backs, this is outrageous. They're going to get paid. You probably shouldn't sign them to massive second contracts but Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, you don't think there's a market for them. Jonathan Taylor, I just saw a story. Derek Henry and the Ravens two year deal, $30 million extension and he's an old guy who takes a beating. There's always A market for football players who are exceptional and the media side. And again, a lot of the media is in their 20s and early 30s. They haven't experienced things before. So any fluctuation or change, it's the first time they've seen it. Listen, safeties, for about 10 years, nobody wanted to pay. When I was a kid growing up, it was Troy Polamalu, not growing up, but Ronnie Lott, Kenny Easley. Safeties were big headhunters. And then there was like a time where safety was like, nobody wanted to pay. Earl Thomas, like, you don't want to pay safety. The Rams, by the way, really value safeties. There are a handful of teams. Baltimore really value safeties. Well, Baltimore and the Rams value it. They're pretty good tight ends. For years and years were neglected. Not anymore. People are paying tight ends, guards. Well, you can't draft a guard early. I don't know. Joe Tunney's pretty good. So is Quentin Nelson. Running backs are the last player in the NFL. You can hit high, low, ankles, knees, head. If they're coming through the line and you hit them, it's fair game. They don't last as long, even the big guys. 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