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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
Yes, they can. I thought you were gonna make a reference to this shirt which your social team already texted me about. And the story of it is that you're giving away your couches because you're now moving and I turned your, one of your sofas into my shirt today. So I thought, I thought you would like that.
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Colin Cowherd
A nice look. It really is.
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Nick Wright
I'm trying to change it up, you.
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Colin Cowherd
Know, so I gotta tell you this story. Pablo Torre. Do you know Pablo Torre, smart guy? I, I've heard of him.
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Nick Wright
I, I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's a smart guy. He's a podcaster now and he, he's been all over this Belichick, Jordan Hudson story and he says, he's saying now Carolina's concerned there was a story yesterday, this thing may not last it Belichick may not be coaching this year. That feels a little hot. But he said the question I had as a reporter when I saw the video, which is out now, of Bill the Ring video leaving somebody's house with no shirt on. How did the Daily Mall or Daily Mail, European newspaper, how do they get that video? How do they get access to that? Let's say it wasn't Jordan Hudson.
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J. Mac
Who was it?
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Colin Cowherd
Are there other videos of 70 year old Bill Belichick? You know, how did this video get out? So Belichick's gone from watching tape to being taped. He's had tape issues through the years. But I think what Belichick is more than anything, he is Deion Sanders. He has made a non traditional football power very, very relevant. I do not think recruits are bothered by the relationship. I also because this story by Pablo Torre says the family is very concerned for Bill. Are we sure they're not concerned about the will, not Bill? I do not buy that Bill Belichick is an old feeble man being taken advantage of. He's not downstairs being fed applesauce and oatmeal. At four o' clock, right before Matlock. That's not what's happening here. He was the world's best football coach until a few years ago. He's making $10 million, smart enough to have his people negotiate a deal that it could leave Carolina in about an hour and still get compensated. So there are benefits for both. The young lady, Jordan Hudson, works as his social media director. Some real estate stuff happening in her life through Bill. Whatevs. But when I hear the family is worried about him. Yes. When old, successful rich guys who make a lot of money and have a big net worth start dating younger women who are aspirational driven and get into the business life of that person because that person, the older person, trusts them, families do get very, very concerned. So I, you know, I, I nothing against Pablo Torre. It could all be true. Ryan Rosillo and I talked about this about a week ago. I'm a little surprised that somebody that's been this media savvy, despite his willingness to share, because you' past year at espn, I thought the same thing. I'm watching him. He's jovial, he's having, he's yucking it up with the boys. You know, it's like this feels a bit like, hey, I need the public to see this personality, this side of me that I've hid. Once football starts, maybe this won't matter. And here's what we know. Here's what we know. They get off to a good start. Chapel Hill, no one's going to care. And if they're 2 and 5, everybody's going to blame this relationship because that's what we predictably do. Yes, I understand people get uncomfortable with power dynamics. I get it. I can understand North Carolina kind of looking around a little uneasy. But North Carolina hired a football coach who then hired Mike Lombardi. These are NFL guys. As the sport is transitioning, Carolina knew what they were getting into. And Bill Belichick is not a feeble old man. He knows what he's getting into as well. That's my tape. And that's not a shot at anybody who's reporting it. I do think he will coach this year. And very rarely do I feel like sports is cheating me. But if I don't get to watch one year at Belichick, at Carolina, I will feel cheated. So I want this loving relationship. I want this thing to be Rita Wilson and Tom Hanks. I want it to last at least 12 months. Okay. Give me through a season. All right. With that, we bring on Nick Wright, co host first things first. Listen, first of all, we are both so happily married, hard for us to relate to any of this stuff. Right? Right.
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J. Mac
It is. Yeah. An older man being taken advantage of. I, you know, I feel like you maybe could relate to in an alternate universe, but luckily you have Anne and so you're fine. Yeah. Can I tell you something before we get to the stories of the day?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
You have been more bold. I have so many takes on this Belichick thing, but I just, I'm like, you know, it's live TV and I just is. I don't have to get all the takes out all the time. Like, maybe I'll just hold this one in. I turn on the herd lead in the hour. So here's the deal. And you are what, What I will say is this, while I may be a more skeptical of it than you are, I think you are totally correct that once the money and the will starts potentially being messed with, that is historically very often where you have more concerned family members saying, hold on a second, wait, we're not going to split this five ways. I thought we were splitting it four. And so, yeah, I do think there's a long history of that. I also think Belichick's choices the last four years might be of a man who is, you know, not quite have his fastball as much as he once did. But let's talk draft lottery in the NBA.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay? So you and I and I said this the. The de facto opinion in America now with the FBI, the CIA, the media, the government, vaccines, is skepticism. We do not trust our institutions. And so when Dallas won that thing, I'm thinking, oh boy, here, here we go. This is. It's going to be rigged. And my takeaway is, did they rig it for Atlanta last year, by the way? Zion was available, the Knicks had the number one pick. Let's give it to the Pelicans. That's a hotbed for basketball interest. So I think all the rig stuff is nonsense, but I think conspiracy theories are overwhelmingly silly. What do you say to all the non believers after Dallas landing? Cooper flag.
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J. Mac
All right, so I have a lot of takes on this. Let me start with the first one. And I have intentionally not consumed any media today on this. So if I'm insulting someone with this opinion, please know it is unwittingly. But one of the things I like about NBA draft lottery day when there is an event like this is it's a nice, quick, easy way for me to check off in my brain a mental list of all the of who all the true idiots are. I'm like, oh, you think it's rigged? You're an idiot. Okay, that's fine, that's fine. I just now know in my head you're either an idiot or someone that is not as smart as I once thought you did. It's good to know. It's like, it's the same way if you walk into a bar and you see a guy's got cauliflower ear, you're like, just no quick handed, like, oh, don't mess with him. This is like, oh, it's an idiot test. Because here's the problem with. So there's so many problems with it, most of which is people like 1.8%, 1.8%. Those same people again, I would say, you know, you can take a local probability and statistics class, local community college, 70 bucks a credit hour might be worth your time. Because the thing about low event, low probability events is they occur all the time. The odds of winning the Powerball are more than a billion to one. But every week someone does it. Is that rigged? So there's one point, here's another point. The number of people who would have to be involved in this conspiracy, not the least of which are Ernst and Young, the accounting firm. They're like, we have a very successful long term, hundred plus year accounting business and then on the side, couple times a decade, we engage in massive fraud to the benefit of who and of what. And the other problem is, as is always the case, there are, there are four teams that could have won it yesterday and people would have said rigged if the Sixers won it. Ah, trying to save and be big market if the spurs won it. Oh my goodness gracious. Can you imagine supercharging WIMBY there? And the years that a rigging doesn't make sense, but would have for another team, what do they think? That those years the NBA was just asleep at the wheel? Like, well, Anthony Davis was a generational prospect and we sent him to our worst and least successful market. We forgot. And then we did it again with Zion Williamson. And then there is the specifics about this alleged rigging, which is give Luka to the Lakers and we'll get you Cooper flag. Okay, do those people not remember what the Dallas Mavericks did after trading Luka? Which is do everything in their power to not have any lottery balls to be rigged. They rushed Anthony Davis back. He got hurt. They played kyrie insane minutes which led to him getting hurt all just to get into the playoffs. Then they were in the play in Won a game in the play in and were in a tight game with Memphis where Anthony Davis scored 40, where if they win it, they don't have any lottery balls. And so what is someone, again, with an IQ above 75? Talk me through it. Talk me through each step of it. And what you'll get to at the end of it is, it feels fishy, which is shorthand for I'm a moron. So, again, I don't know which of my colleagues or friends I just called a moron. And here's the thing. I'm fine with being friends with morons. It's nothing that we can still hang out together. But I just think you're a dullard if you think this thing's rigged.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I said earlier the NBA flattened the odds and really made it into a raffle. And I have bought $20 worth of raffle tickets in a room of 20 people 100 times. I've never, ever won it. So everybody's. And I said, it is fixed. Fixed so that the tanking teams don't win. Yes, they did fix it. They flattened the odds. Okay, so before the Jayson Tatum injury, and maybe you and I are different on this. I'm not sure. Years ago, I had a boss and he said, you know, have strong opinions. You don't want to sit in the fence in your business. And he goes, sometimes being really wrong is great because the audience feels like they're right and you're wrong. They win and you lose. And there was a moment, it was about four to five minutes before the Tatum injury, and I was like, new York's the better team in this world. They got the better coach. They got the better number one. Jalen Brunson's playing out of his mind. Their wing defense, Mikhail Bridges, OG Is really working. The officials are letting it be physical. The shot making is better. The movement's better. Pre Jason Tatum, I was like, wow, I missed on this. Did you have a revelation of any sort watching that game before Tatum got hurt?
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J. Mac
Listen, so. And I know we'll deal with the Tatum stuff later. I. I think the Tatum injury has obviously, understandably, but muddied the water on what happened in that game when Jayson Tatum got hurt. There were three minutes and four seconds left and the Knicks were up nine points. The Knicks were winning that game and going to win that game even if Tatum does not suffer the injury. I, as far as my thought, I think this. Now, listen, I got the series wrong on the front end before it started. I thought the Celtics would cruise after game two, I said, I think the Knicks are going to the finals. And I thought the analysis of this series had been incorrect. After three games of this series, the Celtics were shooting from 3.32%. The Knicks were shooting from 3.33%. During the regular season, the Knicks, it's by a tiny margin, but the Knicks shot a better percentage from 3 than Boston did. Boston just had crazy high volume. So they both were shooting a couple percentage points beneath their regular season three point percentages. And the way everyone had told the story of the series is Boston's ice cold. The Knicks have gotten lucky. And I understand that Boston missed a ton of shots in games one and two. But I was watching this series saying, OG Anunoby hasn't played well yet. Jalen Brunson hasn't had an explosion game yet. And while everyone else was saying, what's going to happen when Tatum has a great game? I was asking, what's going to happen when Jalen Brunson has a great game? And they both had a great game at the same time. And the Knicks once again walked them down. The Knicks once again had taken control and the Knicks had their biggest lead of the series. And I brought this up to you last week and I will bring it up again. The Celtics were a team built to win a championship, and they did. And maybe they could have again this year. The Knicks were a team built to beat Boston. And just like we saw one year ago in this round, a team in Minnesota who hired Denver's GM and then he came there to build a team to beat Denver. And then they played in round two and Minnesota took the first two in Denver and went on to win the series and beat the defending champs. We see a team in New York that traded for OG Anunoby, traded for McHale Bridges, traded for Karl Anthony Towns, OG to guard Tatum, Bridges to guard Brown, Karl Anthony Towns. So they had a stretch five like the Knicks do in Porzingis and Horford. They built a team to beat Boston. And then Jalen Brunson's continued ascension to the most clutch player in the league this year is the tiebreaker on it. So I think even if Tatum hadn't been hurt, the Knicks were going to win this series. And now obviously they are. And now the Tatum injury has real impact on next season and the seasons after. Yeah, the Knicks were better right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I was saying this years ago, the Seahawks looked like they were built for a dynasty. And then all of a sudden in the second super bowl, there was a coaching decision. Russell Wilson interception. It hurt the locker room, it hurt the culture, distrust. All of a sudden you're like, never got back. And we're seeing this in the NBA where I watched Denver win and I thought, whoo, this is the spurs with Duncan and, you know, the cba. You've got to get rid of players. You can't have the depth. And it's like, no, Denver's going to win one and Milwaukee's going to win one and Toronto won one. And I thought Boston was different. And I watched last night and I thought, okay, Drew Holiday and Porzingis are old. Horford's older. They're up against the cap, they've got new owners. I think we're looking at, if you ask me today, four or five teams with a future I love. It's Indiana. It may be New York, okc, Houston. I don't know if Boston, if that injury to me was like, wow, no.
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J. Mac
The tentacles of this thing, Colin, are overwhelming. And it does. If I may just for a moment. Not that anyone would ever be able to do this, but, like, when you see how hard it is to repeat or to continually go on deep playoff runs. Like, imagine if someone in today's era did something like make eight straight finals and make nine out of ten finals with three different organizations and four different head coaches. Like, that guy must. Must be the greatest player ever to live. But, yeah, every team looks like they're going to repeat until the moment it looks like they might never win again because that, like, so think about that, Colin. So Kawhi and Toronto is different because nobody thought they were going to repeat because he left. The Lakers win the championship. They are the favorites to win the next year. They look amazing. Solomon Hill somersaults into LeBron James ankle. They're never that close again.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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J. Mac
The Bucs win the championship. They are the favorites to repeat. Khris Middleton gets injured in the playoffs. Jayson Tatum has an amazing game six. They haven't been close again. The warriors win the championship. They go back the next year. They lose to the lakers in Round 2. The Nuggets win the championship. They are overwhelmingly, clearly the best team. And they blow a 20 point lead in game seven at home and a year later are firing their coach. The Celtics are the best team all year, even if they don't have the record. Everyone is penciling them in. They have two cold shooting nights and then one incredibly unfortunate, unlucky, devastating injury. And now you say to yourself, if Tatum is out for next season, he'll never play without Horford. Again, who's probably retiring. He'll never play with Kristaps Porzingis again. He may or may not play with Jrue Holiday and, or, and this is the big question, Jaylen Brown was last night the last game of Tatum and Brown together?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, maybe, maybe.
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J. Mac
I wouldn't bet that, but maybe. It certainly ends this iteration of Boston, which people were speculating was going to, you know, potentially make some major moves, even if they won the championship because the team was so expensive. Excuse me. But now with Tatum, assuming he's out for next year, you rework it entirely. I'm going to add one other tentacle to it. It's actually two. If you are Giannis and you're open to the idea of leaving Milwaukee for the first time, reportedly, yeah. Do you see this and say, maybe I do give it one more year. The Cavs are frauds. It would appear the Celtics are not going to exist. I've got two years left of my deal in Milwaukee. Do I, do I rush to get out West where now 12 of the 15 best players are? Or do I say I can give it one more year here and then I'll add one more? Let me take a sip of coffee.
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Colin Cowherd
OK. All right. I'll wait patiently.
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J. Mac
If you are LeBron James in year going into year 23 and you're surveying the landscape and you're like, well, I plan to stay in Los Angeles. I want to stay in Los Angeles. But that team from my home State that won 64 games and then got clocked in round two like it has every year since I was gone, that they actually made the playoffs out east where Boston is a non factor, where Giannis might leave, where I could just be the conquering hero back home once again and sign with them for nothing. To in year 23 get my fifth championship and certainly my 11th trip to the finals, it's at least worth considering. Now you'd have to convince maybe the Cavs that what they're going to have to trade for Bronnie. But aside from that, it works quite well. It's something to think about.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. By the way, I'm going to throw this in. We got a couple minutes left. I. I thought Brunson was a 18 and I said years ago, if you told me the best Knicks ever, I'm old enough. I was like Walt Frazier. Patrick Ewing always thought Melo was a great scorer but not a great teammate. I look at Brunson right now and I'm sorry, you don't know something until you know something. Or you don't know something. Do you see something? I feel he is the best small shot maker in the league. Unlike Kyrie Irving, he is healthy more often. Unlike Steph, he's in his prime. I think Brunson's a one and the best small shot maker in the league. Am I not?
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J. Mac
He's definitely. No, no. He's definitely a one. I bet the. You know, him versus Step, they play such different styles.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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J. Mac
And. And so here's to me a fun one, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Because.
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J. Mac
And I know I was always higher on mellow than you.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
If you're listing, you know, the greatest players in NBA history in order and you get mellow's entire career. Obviously Brunson has not eclipsed Melo, who's one of the 50 greatest players of all time. But he has eclipsed him as a Nick. And as far as as a Nick goes, the Mount Rushmore it's always fun sports radio, TV topic of New York Knicks. Three spots are locked. Willis Reed, two time finals MVP Walt Frazier, who should have won one of those Finals MVPs when he had 36 points, 19 assists in a game seven for the championship. Those two champions, those two spots are locked. The third spot is Patrick Ewings that is locked that final spot. There is an argument for Earl Monroe. There is an argument for Bernard King who I'm sure you loved. There is an argument for Melo. I think it is Jalen Brunson spot now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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J. Mac
I think he is on the Mount Rushmore of New York Knick basketball agrees. I think it's Frazier, Reid, Ewing and this little guy who is even his. I think people can. Nick fans can be like, you underestimated him. I bet Rick, his dad underestimated him. I don't think anybody saw this coming. Yeah, it's a remarkable revelation.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I remember his dad because I think I was in port. I don't know if I was, but I remember his dad. I think Brunson was on the team, the Portland team I covered, I think. And he was just solid pro. You know, it was like everybody liked him. Solid pro. Not a shock. His kid goes to Villanova, you know, smart dad, been around. He's just a great story and he just, he just. I gotta tell you something. It is, it's maybe it's just easier to root for New York heroes because it does feel bigger. I watched that game and New York feels bigger and there's a reason that crowd was jet fuel. It was, it was, it was incredible.
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J. Mac
So unbelievable. I was there Saturday. I and I wasn't able to go last night. And it's, it really is some parts about I understand why people. And I'm not from here, I'm from the Midwest. Some things you hear about New York, as someone who's not from here but has now lived here almost a decade, it's like, oh, that's a little overrated. That's a little east coast biased. One thing that is not overrated, the Garden, when the Knicks are even kind of good, is unbelievable. Yeah, the Garden, when the Knicks have the best team they've had in a quarter century, is a religious level experience. And it has been absolutely unbelievable. They shut down 7th Avenue, the fans did, yesterday, and they're going to host a conference finals game for the first time since it was Sprewell and Houston in the 99 season. And it's going to be a hell of a sight to see. It's really going to be unbelievable. And you and I might have nailed it on your pod last week. The Pope's from Villanova. We should have just bet the farm on the Knicks. I mean, who's going to benefit from that more? If there is a sports God, he's putting his finger on the scale today, tell you that much.
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Colin Cowherd
Great stuff. Nick Wright, as always. Buddy, it's good seeing you.
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J. Mac
Yeah, you too.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, there, you know, I think this all the time. I don't talk a lot of hockey, but occasional, I'll, occasionally I'll flip on hockey and you know, the games have been incredible. But I, I, you know, everybody is these days is. You go on to certain platforms and everybody's negative. There is so much great sports. I mean, it's just what is happening now. We're getting upsets in Indiana. Here come the T wolves. Emerging superstar Ant. The Knicks are on fire. Here comes OKC. And it's not the old Steph warriors, the old LeBron Lakers. And Brady's out and Manning's out and Favre's out. A lot of the legends are out. And there is a new wave of unbelievable talent. And Caitlin Clark to Tyrese Halliburton. There is some unbelievable basketball and sports. Ohtani and Harper and Aaron Judge is hitting.400. We are so lucky right now by the quality of young athletes. From nutrition to training to coaching to commitment. Every night I turn on television and I'm just awestruck by the competitiveness, how much they care, how good a shape they're in. It's great.
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Nick Wright
It's awesome. You know, I was thinking back to our conversation earlier. Colin about the lottery and the rigged and all that. Let me just ask you bluntly. So since they changed the draft odds, right. I think 2019, the team that has had the worst record has never won the lottery.
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Colin Cowherd
That's the way it should be.
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Nick Wright
Okay. Is that good for the league? Time out. Let me just finish. So Dallas won it this year. Dallas was in the finals last year. They've got a great roster. San Antonio got Wembanyama. They just got the number two pick. Yeah, we're seeing teams that are awful, like Washington, Utah, Charlotte. Ain't nobody going there in free agency. The only way for them to get better, the dregs of the league is to win the lottery. Okay, Are we sure this is a good thing?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes, because. Because I'll give you an example. The Green Bay packers don't even have an owner. It's the smallest market in North America. Sports market. But yet they're good every year. Isn't that amazing? And the two New York team suck. Why would that be?
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Nick Wright
Hold on.
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Colin Cowherd
Money doesn't matter. Commitment and intelligence does. By the way, little old Utah, best young owner, maybe the best GM in the league. They're building draft. Sam Presti, Oklahoma City. Look who's winning in sports market. Size doesn't matter. Washington D.C. is a huge powerful market. Stinks. Yeah, until the new owner stunk in everything.
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Nick Wright
So yesterday you didn't want to mix NFL and NBA. So let's leave the packers out of it. Let's focus on NBA. And you made a good point. The Utah Jazz, they've got some. They had Donovan Mitchell, they had Rudy Gobert. All NBA guys, right?
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Colin Cowherd
They got a ton of picks now and. And they lose them, they're the next okc. Watch out.
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Nick Wright
Well, you say that, but okc, they got SGA via trade, right? They didn't win the lottery.
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Colin Cowherd
They.
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Nick Wright
Chet Holmgren, did he go one or two? I forget. But I just. I wonder if this flattening of the odds is kind of a bad thing. I want to see. I know this isn't gonna be popular. I like sports to be socialist, okay? I like an even playing field. That's why my base I don't love is tough. I don't like the Yankees spending 500, Pirates spending 80.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't like any socialism. I like smarter people to win. The Ravens are smarter. The packers are smarter. Sam Presti is smarter. Well, I don't root for dummies. Washington, go watch that shooting guards documentary. I can't root for organizations that don't know what they're Doing that's fair. I root for smart people to succeed. I root for Tom Izzo. Coach K will be on.
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Nick Wright
But remember, the New York Giants were a blue blood. They were smart forever. Now they had a bad woman, of course.
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Colin Cowherd
Guess who left. Guess who left. Smart Tom Coughlin. And smart Eli Manning. Shocker. They've been in the toilet since. I root for committed smart people to win in everything. And if that's lopsided, I'm for it. The Dodgers are deferring payments. Everybody else could. The Dodgers, research and development. They don't miss on. Everybody they bring up can play. They win every trade. I don't care what market size is. I root. That's why I've always said this before. The SEC dominated college football for 20 years. It got boring, but they cared more. They were more committed. I can't root against people like that.
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Nick Wright
So that also applies to LeBron, right? He was with the Cavs, asked them to build a team around him. They couldn't do it. Watches the Celtics get a super team with Paul Pierce's squad. LeBron's like, I gotta leave. So you were okay with LeBron leaving, right? He was smart.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
He's like, I'm getting the hell out of here. Kevin Durant, I'm leaving. I don't want to play with West.
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Colin Cowherd
No problem.
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Nick Wright
Okay, Just to make it sure.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, when. When Mahomes was obviously great, the Chief signed him to a 10 year contract for flexibility. The Hunt family. When's the last time Kansas City Chiefs were awful for a stretch or the packers were terrible for a stretch? It's funny, it just doesn't happen. Baltimore, last 16 years. Bashadi's own. The team for two decades, the last 16 years winning his team in the division. That's why I root for Baltimore. Baltimore makes my eyes happy. Every time I turn on the Ravens. It's quality football. The packers make my eyes happy.
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J. Mac
Jets.
- [32:29]
Colin Cowherd
The Jets. I'll go blind if I keep watching them. The Pacers. By the way, little old Indiana, you're watching them coach players, stars. Indiana right now has the best two young point guards in the sport. Caitlin Clark and Halliburton. Is she a point guard or a shooting guard? She's a point guard.
- [32:46]
Nick Wright
But wait. Jalen Brunson has come on.
- [32:48]
Colin Cowherd
By the way, they traded for Halliburton and Siakam.
- [32:51]
Nick Wright
Yes.
- [32:51]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, it's funny. Smart. So Indiana smartly got great players. Don't. I don't buy into this underdog. I don't. Everybody's always into money and no money. New York stinks in football. Who cares? Root for smart people. And if you do, you have to root for the Ravens and you can't root for the Jets. That. That's, you know, that's how I see.
- [33:11]
Nick Wright
I got you fired up there.
- [33:13]
Colin Cowherd
A guy I've always rooted for, Shashevsky. He'll be coming on next hour. I used to cover UNLV and I would wear a Duke basketball shirt going everybody with how can you root for Duke? And I'm like, how can you not root for Duke? How do you not root for excellence? I've never been to Duke. I couldn't have gotten into Duke. How do I root against Duke? I don't even know. It's how do I root against Kansas basketball or Duke or Hurley and Yukon? They're better. They're more committed. I'm the big. I mean, there's literally a term in basketball. Villanova guy. How do you root against Villanova if. Unless you're their rival. If you're their rival fan, you get a root again. How do I root against Green Bay? They got their act. You know what? I root against teams that hurt my eyes. Your jets, they're easy to root against. And I'm taking a break. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. 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You know the one thing the NBA has done when people talk about the draft lottery and being rigged is they have flattened the odds. So it's like a raffle now. Nobody's gonna worst record, doesn't mean anything. Do you know the only team when you think of tanking in the NBA? There's one team we all think of. It doesn't work. And the team we think of is Philadelphia. And they have nothing to prove for it. It does not work. Tanking does not work. It builds a losing culture. And then when you tank and you do get the great player Joel Embiid. You literally gave up so many wins and so much of your culture to get a star that you become overly loyal to the star. It messes with your head. They haven't moved past the second round of the playoffs for all that tanking. They've been doing it. You know, they did it for about a six year stretch. Tank and draft the tallest guy available as the league was getting faster. Nick Wright earlier was fired up about this Mavs lottery rig talk.
- [38:53]
J. Mac
Do those people not remember what the Dallas Mavericks did after trading Luka, which is do everything in their power to not have any lottery balls to be rigged. Then they were in the play in, won a game in the play in and we're in a tight game with Memphis where Anthony Davis scored 40, where if they win it, they don't have any lottery balls. Talk me through each step of it and what you'll get to at the end of it is it feels fishy. Which is shorthand for I'm a moron.
- [39:32]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, I didn't watch. I just saw some rigged stuff come up in the first 15 minutes and I've not, you know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I think there have been conspiracy theories where you find shreds of truth. And I think it comes down to we just don't trust, we don't trust institutions in America. And that's just the reality of it. Doesn't matter what it is. Media, I mean, just say Congress, people start laughing like, like the media, Congress, the CIA, nobody trusts anything. And so that opens the door. And also I think, you know, when you legalize gambling, then everybody immediately thinks, oh, these officials are on the folks. You know how many times The Pelicans have won this thing and the Orlando Magic have won this thing and Cleveland teams have won it. If you were gonna rig it, you do Chicago, you do New York. Zion could have gone to New York. No, the Pelicans want it. The dunking machine from Duke could have gone to New York. Really? He couldn't rig that one. He goes to New Orleans of lsu Saints, a football city. If literally, if the Pelicans left the league tomorrow. Crickets. That's what we're going to rig it for. I don't know. It doesn't feel like it works to me. Mike Krzyzewski. Next hour, her line news around the corner. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. 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How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details at the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate the all electric BMW ix. 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- [45:42]
J. Mac
No, no, no, turn on the news.
- [45:44]
Colin Cowherd
This is the herd line news.
- [45:48]
Nick Wright
Speaking of conspiracy theories, the Giants and Jackson Dart. Just kidding. We still cannot believe that the Giants traded back into the first to take the Ole Miss quarterback. But Dart has been taking part in minicamps and he looks pretty damn good out there. Here he is talking about the early stages.
- [46:06]
Colin Cowherd
It's intense.
- [46:07]
J. Mac
You know, I kind of had an.
- [46:08]
Colin Cowherd
Idea coming into it, you know, that.
- [46:09]
J. Mac
I had to make sure that I.
- [46:10]
Colin Cowherd
Was on my P's and Q's when I walked in.
- [46:12]
J. Mac
So it was super fun. I think that at the same time.
- [46:15]
Colin Cowherd
You know, me and him were able to just form like an organic relationship. And, you know, they definitely tested me, you know, harder than any other team throughout this process.
- [46:22]
J. Mac
And as a quarterback, you know, you're.
- [46:24]
Colin Cowherd
The one that run, you know, you.
- [46:25]
J. Mac
Run the ship when you're out there. So, you know, if you're, if you.
- [46:27]
Colin Cowherd
Don'T know the ins and outs of.
- [46:28]
J. Mac
Everything, you're not going to have everybody around you prepared. And I think that that's super important.
- [46:34]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, we'll see how that works out. What do you, what do you make of that?
- [46:37]
Nick Wright
So I gotta say it's weird. For some dumb reason social media keeps sending me New York Giants Jackson Dart content. Maybe because I made fun of him during the process. He's saying all the right things. He actually looks the part. Well, I think he's up there smiling and confident. Colin, I did not expect all this. So far, so good. But again, it's early.
- [46:56]
Colin Cowherd
I, I will say he had a great offensive coach. He had Amazing skill people in college. And a lot of his completions were all schemed up. They did not ask him. I watched four or five Ole Miss games. They did not ask him to make a lot of throws off script or. Or that weren't. I mean, he had about 12 completions baked in. I watched that Florida game and I came away going, that. I don't want to hear about first round.
- [47:18]
Nick Wright
I know you love when I say this phrase, but listen to it, to him talk, spin it in the huddle, leading these drills. He just kind of looks like a cool guy. Like, he's just laid back. Doesn't really seem phased. He's happy to be here.
- [47:30]
Colin Cowherd
I'm rooting for him.
- [47:31]
Nick Wright
I think I kind of might be, too, but he's a giant, you know, and I can't do that.
- [47:35]
Colin Cowherd
He also. Yeah, he's got zip on it. Got a decent arm.
- [47:39]
Nick Wright
I've heard more from Jackson Dart than I have Justin Fields since he arrived with the Jets. Does that make sense?
- [47:44]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, I think we know what Justin Fields is.
- [47:46]
Nick Wright
What's that?
- [47:47]
Colin Cowherd
Well, we've seen him twice. That's not. You're not going to the promised land with Justin Fields.
- [47:53]
Nick Wright
Are you going with Jackson?
- [47:54]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, at some point, if you got to make your own breaks. At some point. He said no. I. He's had defensive coaches and defensive cultures, but I've seen Justin Fields play. Nobody, you know, it's just. And now he's got a rookie defensive head coach. I think. I think it's played out. I think he'll be fine. I don't. I think he works hard and I think he's got a good army moves, but I don't think that's. I don't think he's taking him. That's a fourth place, third place, fourth place team. That's what it is.
- [48:21]
Nick Wright
All right. Speaking of a third or fourth place team, the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, they're talking about Micah Parsons and giving him a contract extension. He's entering the final year of his deal and he's going to make 24 mil. Parsons has hinted that he won't do any on field work until he has a new deal. Stephen Jones broke down where things stand in the contract negotiations.
- [48:41]
Colin Cowherd
I've never been one to crystal ball when contracts get done.
- [48:45]
J. Mac
I mean, you can be close.
- [48:46]
Colin Cowherd
You think you're right around the corner, and then they get pushed out and there's extenuating circumstances as to why they, you know, them or their agent don't.
- [48:56]
J. Mac
Want to pull the trigger. So you know, that's just a work in progress.
- [49:00]
Colin Cowherd
It's never easy to comment on them.
- [49:02]
J. Mac
Because you really don't know where you.
- [49:03]
Colin Cowherd
Are till both sides are ready to go. But, you know, obviously, our goal is to. And we have, you know, visited at times with Micah, and our goal is to get him here. And I think Michael wants to be a Cowboy, and we want him to be a Cowboy long term. All right, well, let's.
- [49:24]
Nick Wright
There's your Cowboys coverage for today, ladies and gentlemen. Let's get back to the NBA column where the warriors dropped game four to the Wolves last night. Now down three one, headed back to Minnesota. And we got some bad news for you. Steph Curry saying, even if I wanted to be Superman, I couldn't. Says he's not gonna play in game five tomorrow due to the hamstring.
- [49:42]
Colin Cowherd
It's over.
- [49:42]
Nick Wright
Now, if the warriors could somehow win and force Gabriel game six, it gives Steph an additional couple days of recovery there. Now's reports that Jimmy Butler looked like garbage last night because he was feeling sick. He was great. In game three, Butler went all out, tried to get him to win. They couldn't. I don't want to say the warriors are done, but this season's over. I don't know where they go from here.
- [50:05]
Colin Cowherd
They're becoming Milwaukee. They're becoming. Yeah. In the better West. They're becoming Milwaukee with a better culture and coach. They've got one great player, a good player. They're getting, you know, I mean, they played 13, 14 guys without Steph. They don't have an answer.
- [50:21]
Nick Wright
Just, can we get creative and get them a star? I just don't know what the path is.
- [50:27]
Colin Cowherd
Well, Kaminga is going to get you something, because when Steph hasn't played, he's been 20 and ninth. He'll. There's going to be losses.
- [50:34]
Nick Wright
That's like Jordan Poole could give you 20 in loss.
- [50:35]
Colin Cowherd
No, but he. Kaminga is an immature. He just doesn't work in that offense when Butler and Draymond or on the floor.
- [50:41]
Nick Wright
So it's interesting and there's a big story here somewhere with Steph. Curry boy Klay Thompson was tremendous. Draymond was amazing. Jordan Poole was freaking outstanding. Jonathan Kaminga couldn't get on the court now. No. Curry and Draymond, I mean, he's extremely limited clays in Dallas. How did he do? Nothing great. Kuminga now playing, scoring, and they're getting their butts kicked. Jordan Poole's terrible in Washington. Curry, you know, you don't want to act like he Made all these guys, but he changes so much.
- [51:13]
Colin Cowherd
You take Curry off the warriors, they're not only average, they are hard to watch.
- [51:18]
Nick Wright
Like 25, 30.
- [51:19]
Colin Cowherd
It's lacrosse players and guys from the Netherlands. Like, it's just not, it's not a good watch.
- [51:24]
Nick Wright
I think this actually bolsters Curry's, like, historical legacy. There you go.
- [51:28]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news, and thank you. Thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. I, I do love the reaction from the, the Dallas Mavericks war room, or whatever you want to call it now. Now it's hard for me to believe that everybody was in on it. People are saying, oh, just Nico was in on it. So whatever. I, I, I, I do love to see these moments when people learn. They get ecstatic. It's a collection of people. You know, it's like when you watch March Madness and you get invited and you're Akron or something. And his stuff's so cool. Sports is so cool.
- [52:04]
Nick Wright
So let me ask you. I'm Nico Harrison. You're one of the guys in the war room. Sell me. Do you trade Cooper Flag? Do you keep him?
- [52:11]
Colin Cowherd
No.
- [52:11]
Nick Wright
Do you trade for yacht? What do you do? Like, there's so many options.
- [52:14]
Colin Cowherd
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