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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs, mock drafts to my top 101 free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Capital One Bank Guy
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FDIC Wendy
Now let's get this party started.
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Jason McIntyre
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back. Our number two here on the herd, Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. I did text with him yesterday. The fishing excursions are going great. He's just catching stuff left and right. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex, are you a big fisherman?
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Alex Curry
So I was in Fiji in December, and I caught my very first fish.
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Jason McIntyre
What a flex.
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Alex Curry
And I caught a barracuda. I'm not kidding, you guys. This was the most thrilling and terrifying experience of my life.
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Jason McIntyre
Wow.
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Alex Curry
And it, like, it has, like, crazy teeth.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Alex Curry
Comes right at you. Oh, wow.
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Jason McIntyre
So did you swim in the water in Fiji after that, or were you.
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Alex Curry
Like, oh, yeah, there's sharks. There's everything. Yeah. But you're with the locals because I stayed on, like, a private surfing island. No, too. It's like the most magical place in the world. So you wake up every morning and you go fishing or surfing or snorkeling, like, wherever.
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Jason McIntyre
Sounds good, but I hear trucks. I'm like, it's a bit of a pass for me. We got Ryan Hollins, NBA veteran. He's a tall guy. I'm just trying to recruit him on men's league team. He's very tall, played center. We could use him as a rim protector. But he's like, I'm in Houston. Like, damn it. All right, we're going to start here real quick. I'm going to buzz through my five favorites to win the NBA championship. You're going to vehemently disagree. Fan bases are going to be irked. Let's get started at number five, the Cleveland Cavaliers. I wanted to put the Knicks here so badly. I just. I can't do it because the Knicks are going to probably play the Celtics in the second round. The Cavs path will be easier since they are the number one seed. Dame Lillard unlikely to play the rest of the way due to blood clots. I think things just line up for Cleveland to have their best season since LeBron left. Donovan Mitchell's great. I know they've slid a little bit lately here down the stretch, but they got nothing to play for. They got the number one seed locked up. Mitchell, Mobley, Allen, Garland. Love everything about this team. Cavs fifth on my list of title Contenders, number four. Let's go with the Oklahoma City Thunder. What? Jason? They're the favorites. They are the favorites according to Vegas. I'm just not a believer. I know, I know. It's too hot of a take. Ryan Hollins. I could see him shaking his head over here. He's not happy with me already, folks, OKC got fat and happy. Beaten up on the east, blowing out the Orlando Magic and the wizards by like 50. I know, and listen, some of the Numbers, they are 9 and 9 against the top teams in the west versus the Lakers, Warriors, Nuggets, Rockets and Wolves. It ain't going to be easy. And again, I saw them against Luka in the playoffs last year. He owned them. You could have your Lou Dort and your J Dub and Chet Holmgren. They're not winning the Finals. I have them. Number four on my list. Number three, ahead of the Thunder, Steph Curry's Golden State Warriors. What's not to love, man? One bad game against the Rockets, they're fine. If Podzemski can hit eight threes against the Lakers, they're fine. That won't happen again. I like what I've seen from Kuminga. I like the depth, but most of all, I like Steph Curry. As long as you're not allowed to grab him and hold him and foul him and chuck him and bury him like the Rockets did, Warriors should be fine. I don't want the Lakers to play them in the first round. I know the sheet here says the Lakers were 3:1 against the Warriors. Those wins were before the Anthony Davis trade. It's not a great matchup for the Lakers, but I do like the warriors as my third favorite to win the title. Check it in at number two. It's the Lakers, LeBron and Luca. Go ahead. Hate it all you want. I'm telling you guys, Luca, LeBron and Reeves is the best big three in the league. Period. End of story. I don't think the Celtics have as good of a big three. They have more depth, of course, and they're better. Four, five, six. But the Lakers big three will take them to the Finals. All of a sudden, Denver's looking vulnerable, folks. No Jamal Murray. There's some quotes from Michael Malone making it sound like Jamal Murray may play in the playoffs. So now you're looking at a Russell Westbrook, Christian Brown backcourt. Are you kidding me? Those guys have no chance against Luka. Austin Reaves is just a superhero right now. And, oh, by the way, LeBron's taking his foot off the gas because Luka's ready to take over. I just love this Lakers team. Second best chance to win the title and checking in at number one on the top, it's gotta be the defending champion Celt. They are the number two favorites plus 215 plus money for the Celtics to win the title. I don't know how you don't take that. Although the odds were probably better earlier this season. They won't have home court advantage against the Cavs. I don't think they'll need it. Cleveland did play them well at moments last at times last year. But when fully healthy, Porzingis, Horford, Holiday, White, Brown, Tatum, I mean Peyton Pritchard, by the way, is going to be sixth man of the year. That is a nasty, nasty top seven. I think Boston's got to be the team to beat. Lakers 2, Warriors 3. The OKC Thunder. Everybody loves SGA. And the free throw. Free throw Merchants. At a number five, the Cleveland Cavs. Apologies to my Knicks. The Clippers also just missed out. Keep an eye on them. They're hot. And the Houston Rockets narrowly missed. Speaking of the Rockets, let's bring in my main man, Ryan Hollins. I've done some radio with him. He played for nine different NBA teams in 10 seasons. He's not happy with some of my takes. He's also extremely tall. He played for Doc Rivers, Ty Lu. He's on Fox sports radio at 9am on Sundays. How you doing, Ryan?
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FDIC Wendy
What's up, brother? How you doing?
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Jason McIntyre
Excellent. And I know you love my top five NBA title favorites, right?
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FDIC Wendy
You know, here's the reality. This is where I'm gonna roll with you. I can accept that. But when the Rockets have success, you make sure you hop on a bandwagon. That's all I'm saying. Don't make. See, you're. You're the master of excuses. This didn't happen. That's all I ask from you. Don't put us in your top five because there have been sweeps against some of those teams. The Rockets are up and coming.
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Jason McIntyre
Did you put the Rockets in the top five?
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FDIC Wendy
Easily. Who would I take out? Beat the Cavaliers twice. I think they're having a heck of a year. But I think Houston matches up extremely well with them. Obviously, in the playoff scenario, Houston still has to come out and prove themselves. I think the disrespect to the Thunder is crazy. Like you're wild for that. Like, yes, Houston beat them. That's still a really good ball club. You have to understand, at this time of year they're trying to stay healthy. Mark Dagno is looking at it schematically and saying, hey, I'm not going to show my schemes. I'm not going to show my game plans right now. We get in the playoffs, then I'm going to lock in. But from seeing them from last year to this year, they're a much better team. And that starts with SGA.
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Jason McIntyre
Too much Lakers for you at 2 there? Go ahead. You can give them props or bash them.
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FDIC Wendy
Here's the reality, especially in the Western Conference. If the Lakers get a favorable matchup, they have a chance. If they can play a team that has a fourth or fifth option that is not involved in the offense, I like their odds. But if they have to play OKC or a team with five guys that are involved now, Luka's got to chase, LeBron's got to fight through pick and rolls. You can't just switch every action. You got to get back on defense. A team that can challenge them, I think I would have problems with them. So if they get a proper matchup, you could be onto something. You just pairing them against everybody. I don't know if I agree to that, but they are really good this year.
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Jason McIntyre
You're in Houston. Let's talk about the Rockets. 15 and 2 in their last 17. The big win over Golden State. I'm just one of these guys. I gotta see it. I need to see. Like last year I didn't buy OKC and they, they lost with home court advantage. I need to see it in the playoffs from Houston because again, when the game bogs down into a half court, it's 198, two minutes left. Who's the go to guy? Is it Jalen Green? I know he took over against Golden State the other day, but can you. Do you dump into the post to Sengun? Do you trust Van Vliet late? I don't know.
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FDIC Wendy
Here's the truth. When it comes to Houston, you're gonna have to see Jalen play both at all star levels. When they don't, the team is going to struggle. It is hard to get wins. The bread and butter here for Houston is their defense. That's what Imei's hung his hat on. The physicality shout out to the Houston Cougars. They end up coming up short in the national championship. But Houston as a whole is defending as a city. The physicality has changed things. And one thing that IMEI's done really special. I'll give you this nugget. When everybody zigs and shoots three pointers and wants to be all versatile. Imei decided to zag. He plays a double. Big lineup. Steven Adams, Shingoon, Jabari plays a three, Tar Eason might be at the two, Amin Thompson at the one. He plays this monster lineup that has really hit the boards. It's defended well and it's thrown people off. So what Houston's making, you have to do, what Ime's saying is you got to adjust to our size. Then he comes in with some speed. You got to adjust to the speed also. So, uh, he's doing a great job coaching. But what it's done is it's freed up Jalen Green to be the best version of himself. Coming off screens from two bigs, he's got a roller and Alperin Shingoon, who's excellent. And then again on the other side, Alperin Shingoon gets matched up with your Foreman. So now he's not going against the center. He's not getting the same double teams because he's got Steven Adams on the glass. So it's been good for Houston. We'll see how it rolls over into the playoffs.
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Jason McIntyre
This might be unfair, but do you remember that Memphis team that was the number two seed a couple years ago and the Lakers faced him and kind of smashed him? Is there a similarity? Hey, we've got a lot of good young players, but they're so young. We need to. You need to kind of walk before you run. And that is would be my concern now if they face the Grizzlies first round. I like Houston.
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FDIC Wendy
I think for Houston, Nikia's defense, you know, they're going to have to win it on that side. And obviously if you can get Jalen Green hot, you get him going. That's a big key. So seeing Houston in transition, seeing the offensive rebounds, trading two for threes, but you got guys that you talk about experience. Fred Van Fleet's a world champ. I haven't heard you mention his name one time. And he's a guy who can do anything you want. Fred's a glue guy. You need scoring, he can give you a 30 ball. He's proven that already. At the highest level, if you need defense, if you need assists, he can do that. He makes sure the other guy's going. Dillon Brooks is playing. Don't do that. Don't you do that. Dillon Brooks is playing at an all world level. He's shooting the three ball at a clip that is just out of this world. And the question with Houston earlier in the year was, can they shoot? Can they space the floor they struggle to shoot the three. Dylan Books has provided that. Jabari Smith Jr. Shooting the theory at a high clip. So again, the question was the spacing, was it just hustle? Was it just the effort? And take a good look at those guys, man, they have been red hot. And then you got a group that can defend the Lucas, defend the LeBron's, defend the Shays, and you're not going to stop those guys, but, you know, make them have to work and, and defend the Currys.
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Jason McIntyre
They're, they're built well. No, no doubt about that. So would you call Dylan Brooks a goon or a punk or like, what word?
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FDIC Wendy
You don't call him a punk.
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Jason McIntyre
Don't you do that. He leads the league in tech, but.
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FDIC Wendy
You can't call him a punk.
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Jason McIntyre
What did he do to LeBron when he was in Memphis? LeBron before the game was like, you better shut your mouth.
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FDIC Wendy
And you, and you. I bet you want him on your team.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, maybe to defend, yeah, that's not a bad idea. But you got to be honest, he's built a reputation.
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FDIC Wendy
He's a winner. He owns the villain card. When the opposing arenas start booing, he loves it. And here's the thing about Houston and Dylan and IME and the rest of our guys, they are dogs. And when you. The game gets chippy, the game gets physical. That was one thing that Houston didn't have. And IME's brought an edge. Dylan Brooks has brought an edge to the city, into the team where you can go out and compete against the league's best. Because I've had playoff experience, I've had long runs, and it's a different level of physicality. So IMEI's been preparing our young guys and teaching that physicality to them before they've gotten there. All right.
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Jason McIntyre
We played video earlier of Rick Buker talking about the Rockets potentially trading for KD if things don't work out. These players, they lose in the first round, maybe they mix it up. Do you think KD would work on this team?
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FDIC Wendy
Man, I think Kevin Durant will work anywhere. Kevin Durant's unbelievable. And if you hadn't seen him lately, I know that the Suns have not had the success. Success that you've thought, but he's my height. Sorry, kd, I'm gonna out you. He's my height or taller. Okay. He ain't no six'eleven or six'nine he's all a seven'one he has a high release and he's so efficient with his game where he doesn't need to bounce the bar. He can take one dribble and he moves extremely well. It's nice part being thin. He's aged well. So here's the beauty of Houston that I want to give you. And this is not from front office information or anything. Like this is my assumption. These are two routes that is beautiful for Houston. Like you said it, if the young guys develop, they play at a high level. Pay your young guys, you move forward what you have, you, you are good enough to win. And you have seen the leaps and bounds this season. That should make you feel comfortable. If not and you have a slam dunk move that could be Kevin Durant possibly moving forward, you can make that move, but you're not pressed. And the problem with a lot of organizations, they get pressed to jump out and make a move. They feel like they have to win and they salvage, you know, their young pieces and they go all in on a championship. It doesn't always work out like how it worked out with the Toronto Raptors. It doesn't always work out like it's worked with a number of teams. And sometimes those teams that made the trade end up a lot better off. So Houston could end up having the best of both worlds and they're not pressed to make any moves.
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Jason McIntyre
So to drill down on what you said about KD, you played a lot in the league, 10 seasons with nine teams. You've seen a lot of leaders. A. Tell me some of the best leaders you've ever played with in the NBA and how you define leaders.
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FDIC Wendy
Kevin Garnett jumps out to mine. Kevin Garnett doesn't. He needs to be in one of those. Not maybe the greatest, but the greatest at what he did. Kevin Garnett is culture. And we talk about winning a lot of times. Culture, culture, culture. You hear that word? Kevin Garnett brings culture to whatever he is. He develops their young guys. I probably. I'm be straight up. I appreciate you, kg. Love you. If you hear this, I wouldn't be playing probably another four or five years if it wasn't running into Kevin Durant. The effect that he had on myself as a young player, leadership wise. Dirk Nowitzki was a leader. When we needed a shot, you could get him the ball down the stretch. He took everything on the chin and shoot even that. That Boston team had a number of leaders, you know, in their own right. So shout out Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo. Still the leader. He's going to be a heck of a head coach in the NBA one day. Let me. Let Me think, who else? Chris was excellent.
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Jason McIntyre
So I asked that because Kevin Durant constantly asked this question. He's like, I don't. I don't want to be a leader. I just want to hoop. What do you make of that when you just wax philosophic about KG and Dirk Nowitzki being great leaders? Like, Kevin Durant doesn't want to be a leader, but he's the highest paid player. He's probably the best player on any team he goes to. Does that work?
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FDIC Wendy
You really think Kevin Durant's not a leader? Of course Kevin Durant's a leader. In the locker room. Kevin Durant just realizes outside of his Twitter, everything's not for public consumption. You know, so the things he wants to say, the narratives he wants to put out, the fun that he wants to be with people. And by the way, I just love the energy that Kevin Durant puts out. He's so unapologetic about his messages. He is who he is. But I think he's in a point in his game where he's being appreciated. And I. I'll tell you one thing, our young guys appreciate him. Jalen Green's been in the summer in the gym with him in the summertime. Jabari Smith Jr's been in the gym with his summer side. So KD has a gravitational effect. Guys flock to him. You see his work ethic, you see his Tyler's times in the gym. So he's absolutely a leader. But, you know, for us to sit here on these shows and speak about him, he don't care about that. He cares about his guys in the locker room and what he brings to the table.
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Jason McIntyre
We could wrap up NCAA tournament just completed Cooper Flag. Everybody watched him be a superstar. A, what have you heard from your people about Cooper Flag? And B, what have you seen from him? Obviously, he's going to go one, but, you know, there's some comparisons for him to young Kevin Garnett. There's some comparisons to Tatum, Dirk Nowitzki. You know, there's a lot of them. Your thoughts?
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FDIC Wendy
I think. I think it's kind of frustrating because they're grossly unfair to. To him. Cooper Flagg is a unique player, and I believe in the right system, Cooper Flagg can flourish. Okay, if you ask him to be a one right now, a playmaker, a guy, I don't think that's putting him in the best scenario to be successful. I think if you run him off ball, you let him be athletic, run the lanes. He's an excellent knockdown shooter and Someone setting him up, I think he can thrive. But if you put him in a situation where you're asking him to have the ball in his hands and do a lot of things, I don't think that fits his game best right now. But I think he's a mega athlete. I think he's got great size, and you look at him when you see him talk. He's so young, so there's so much growing to be done with Cooper Flag. So I think he's a mega star in the building. But I think if you put a lot on his shoulders before he's ready, I don't think that's going to be fair to Cooper Flag.
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Jason McIntyre
That's good. So I probably shouldn't have brought up the whole over under one and a half career NBA mvp.
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FDIC Wendy
Did you go the whole like. Did you go like Larry Bird and.
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Jason McIntyre
Curry and LeBron and they might have been mentioned. I don't recall Ryan Holland's great career. Great stuff. And, you know, success in your media career. You're having fun, right?
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FDIC Wendy
I'm having a blast, man. I mean, come on, dude. I, I look at it like this. I'd have played basketball for free somewhere, so I never had a job in my life. And I'd be somewhere running my mouth, texting you or calling you about. About hoops. So, you know, we've done that before. So good.
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Jason McIntyre
I was gonna wedge into LeBron Jordan because, remember, we did radio together and I think we went on it for like an hour on LeBron versus Jordan.
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FDIC Wendy
I just know you're gonna say something ridiculous. Like, I. I don't even know. I don't even know if he believes the stuff he's saying. Like, I don't even know he believes.
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Jason McIntyre
I swear, it's all backed up with facts and data. That's how I roll.
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FDIC Wendy
What you. What you got new for me? What you got new for you?
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, I don't know. What is he, 40 years old? He's in year, like 37 in the NBA. I mean, he's totally dominant. He wins everywhere he goes. How is he not the goat? I just, I don't. I don't understand what people say. He's not like. It just doesn't make sense when it.
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FDIC Wendy
When it comes down to the LeBron Jordan debate, it's just so personal. People can't see their feelings for LeBron or their feelings for Michael Jordan and just look directly at basketball. And the biggest trick that we have when it comes down to the goat debate is it's subjective. So if you're talking dominance and I'm a LeBron guy, you're talking dominance in his time, fear, respect amongst others peers. Michael Jordan is that guy. There's no question. If you're talking impact on the game, you're talking size, you're talking longevity, you're talking LeBron James. You see his impact, you see what he's had to work with. You got to understand Michael Jordan had Phil Jackson, he had Dean Smith at North Carolina. LeBron James didn't have those things. So he's had to figure out the closest thing to learning how to winning for LeBron James was Dwyane Wade, Pat Riley and the Miami Heat. Once he figured it out, he said, I'm going to take my talents elsewhere. And you saw the success that he had. So I would challenge people as they bring up their goat debate. Know what your categories are because LeBron was not as dominant as Michael. But I don't know if Michael in today's era would be sharing the basketball scoring at the clip that LeBron does. So you got to establish, hey, what are my goat categories? Then we can have the conversation. That's probably McIntyre while we have so much fun with it.
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Jason McIntyre
I guess that was really measured. Well done, Ryan. Oh, my goodness. All right, Ryan Hollins, congrats and thank you for everything. Coming up next on in Herdline News, Alex Curry will tell us the hottest spots where Jalen Milroe could land on draft night. That's my guy. That's next.
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Capital One Bank Guy
One more herd.
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FDIC Wendy
The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the iHeartRadio app search herd to listen live or on demand, whenever you'd like.
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Capital One Bank Guy
Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast, too. Oh, really? Thanks. Capital One Bank Guy, what's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
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Jason McIntyre
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
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Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
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Alex Curry
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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Alex Curry
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
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Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle thanks for having me, Jeremy. Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
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FDIC Wendy
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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Jason McIntyre
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
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FDIC Wendy
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
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Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs, mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like Chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.
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Jason McIntyre
The way I approach risk is constantly try things and actually make it okay to fail.
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Bob Pittman
I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.
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Alex Curry
I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life.
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Bob Pittman
We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times like Stephane Bonsell, CEO of Moderna. It becomes a human decision to decide.
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Jason McIntyre
To throw by the window your business.
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Bob Pittman
Strategy and to do what you think.
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Jason McIntyre
Is the right thing for the world.
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Bob Pittman
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the Magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of market on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get.
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Jason McIntyre
Your podcast back here on the herd. Good stuff from Ryan Hollins. What a fun guy. Like him a lot. Let's Go to Alex Curry with the news.
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FDIC Wendy
No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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Alex Curry
You can tell when you've worked with someone before. Because I feel like you guys could have just like gone off for hours.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Curry
On every topic.
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Jason McIntyre
But we got a guy coming up next hour who I've never met before, so I'm a little nervous. I can't play it as loose and just.
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Alex Curry
Yes, you can.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, we'll see.
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Alex Curry
Yes, you can. Be yourself. Okay, let's start with some draft talk because Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe had private workouts this week for the Saints and the Browns. Per Fox Sports, Milroe is reportedly going to attend the draft in Green Bay and most scouts have him as a borderline first round pick. Now, I personally love this confident move because it takes a confident person to do this, to show up and be there with probably, what, like a 50% chance of getting drafted in the first round. Like, we saw this with Will Levitz there for the first round and he didn't go last year and then threw a little hissy fit and didn't show up day two. But if, if there is a chance that you could go in the first round and be there and be a part of that celebration, why would you miss that?
- [26:58]
Jason McIntyre
It's interesting you referenced Levis. Don't know him personally.
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Alex Curry
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
But the vibe here is he, he loves him some Will Levis.
- [27:06]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And he wanted to be there. Bring the influencer girlfriend. I don't think Jalen Milroe's in that same category of I love me some.
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Alex Curry
No, not at all. Not at all. I'm saying don't do what he did where he like threw the hissy fit the next day. If you don't go in the first round, like, you have to go in knowing it's a 50, 50 shot.
- [27:23]
Jason McIntyre
I don't. So it was a 50, 50 shot. I probably wouldn't go. I would be like, no, those aren't good enough odds for me to potentially embarrass myself.
- [27:30]
Alex Curry
It's not the rest of my thing. It takes a confident person, person to be like, if there is a chance, I want to be there. I want to walk up on stage.
- [27:39]
Jason McIntyre
Do you want to. Where's the draft? Green Bay. I would also maybe want to just hang with my friends and family at home. That's fun too.
- [27:44]
Alex Curry
That's. It's a personal decision, but he's choosing to do this. I think that's cool.
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Jason McIntyre
Maybe you could say, Jason, you're being small minded, but I'm sticking with my initial plan. I think no row is a first round lock. I know people don't love him. I know the. The pun. What did you say? The scouts think he's borderline first round. Yeah. Borderline. Yeah. What was Brock Purdy? What did the scout say about him? He's like a top 10 quarterback in the league already. Like, listen, I know we. We love to think we know. And the scouts think they know.
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Alex Curry
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Nobody knows anything. Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott. Prescott.
- [28:16]
Alex Curry
I might go.
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Jason McIntyre
Alex, imagine if I had said to you before the draft, hey, that guy Dak Prescott who's a mid round pick, he's in a decade going to be the highest paid quarterback in the league. You would have laughed at me and thrown trash at me. Or maybe worse.
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Alex Curry
Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant. He's about to get these guys.
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Jason McIntyre
Don't hate. Yeah, I think from what I've seen, I think Melrose gonna go top 20 or something. First to get him, huh?
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Alex Curry
Yeah. So do you think he should be there for the first round? He should show up in Green Bay.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't know him personally, but all signs point to he. He's confident enough.
- [28:49]
Alex Curry
I say you go. Yeah. Be secure, confident. And don't. Don't let your ego get hurt if it doesn't.
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Jason McIntyre
What's the weather like in Green Bay in April?
- [28:57]
Alex Curry
I don't know.
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Jason McIntyre
That would be a factor for me.
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Alex Curry
I don't know. Probably not bad, right? I don't know. Okay, let's switch gears to another cold place. The Lions lost a lot of coaching firepower with both coordinators getting hired as head coaches. But Dan Campbell isn't worried. Take a listen to why he thinks his offense will be successful without Ben Johnson calling the plays.
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Jason McIntyre
This is a Detroit line offense is what it is. This offense is Jared Goff, St. Brown, Gibbs Montgomery. It's Frank, it's Sewell, it's Decker, it's. I can keep going, Jamo.
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FDIC Wendy
That's what we are.
- [29:35]
Jason McIntyre
All right, we can say, well, this is. This is our scheme.
- [29:37]
FDIC Wendy
This is what we run. This is.
- [29:38]
Jason McIntyre
No, no, no. They're the ones who make it what it is. So that's our playbook is those guys.
- [29:46]
Alex Curry
He's not wrong, but you can't deny that there's going to be adjustments and growing pains. There always is when you have a new. New leader, a new offensive coordinator here. But I mean, Ben Johnson was within the organization when they promoted him to offensive coordinator. And the guy they're bringing in, John Morton, former former player, wide receiver, but he also worked for Dan Campbell back in 2022. So he's familiar with the Lions, he's familiar with the system. So it should be an easy transition. But I'm trying to think. I don't know. The last two years have been like the best years alliance have been in franchise history, but they still can't make it over the hump. Losing in the NFC Championship game, losing in the divisional round last year. So it's. Can, can you get over that hump? Can you get to the Super Bowl? Because that's what the goal is, super bowl or bust with this team right now.
- [30:39]
Jason McIntyre
So I'm trying to think of an analogy. Nothing's going to be perfect here. But let me ask you. So you played college soccer, right. When you went to the program. Let's just assume they were a pretty good team. They had their core group of seniors, right?
- [30:52]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
- [30:53]
Jason McIntyre
They couldn't get over the hump. Then they graduate and move on. Then it's the new regime coming up. Can they get you back to where you were with the old regime? Because these new coaches, I don't know if it's going to be as seamless as everybody thinks. I think there's a big drop off coming for Detroit.
- [31:09]
Alex Curry
It can go one or two ways. It's either the change that you need that gets you over the hump, or you're trying too hard to stay in your old ways and you can't mimic that with someone new. And then you get stuck trying to copy it. So it can really go. It can really go one or two ways. It's the change that you need to get over that hump and get to the super bowl because that's the goal with this team. They were the favorite one or two last year, right?
- [31:34]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [31:35]
Alex Curry
So it's again, either you don't want to. You don't want to try to replicate exactly what Ben Johnson was doing. Yeah. But like it's similar system to make it work because you have the same players in place.
- [31:50]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [31:51]
Alex Curry
So it's going to be interesting. Like they.
- [31:53]
Jason McIntyre
There's a lot of now sports people who do what we do.
- [31:56]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
- [31:57]
Jason McIntyre
Whether it's podcast, tv, radio, whatever. And I get asked sometimes, hey, hey, what did you think of the take from so and so and often I'm like, I don't listen to other stuff. I don't want other people's influence. Influence on my takes.
- [32:10]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Because I want mine to be authentic and original. Maybe some guys will think of some stuff that I didn't think of and that I missed that. Whatever. But I wonder if on a football team you need to keep doing what Ben Johnson was doing or do you just change everything?
- [32:24]
Alex Curry
But when Ben Johnson came in, was it already Dan Campbell's idea? So is it just kind of sticking with what he has in place and.
- [32:31]
Jason McIntyre
Putting your own spin and twist before Dan Campbell? They weren't winning it.
- [32:36]
Alex Curry
No, they weren't winning his first two years.
- [32:39]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [32:39]
Alex Curry
He turned this team around in year.
- [32:41]
Jason McIntyre
Three with a lot of help from Ben Johnson.
- [32:43]
Alex Curry
A lot of help from Ben Johnson. So there's gonna be. There's gonna be growing pains. Like, your two main guys are gone now. That's a big.
- [32:52]
Jason McIntyre
Those are his two lieutenants.
- [32:53]
Alex Curry
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
And now they just moved on.
- [32:55]
Alex Curry
They're gone. Well, they're head coaches.
- [32:56]
FDIC Wendy
Yeah.
- [32:57]
Alex Curry
Because they did a great job.
- [32:58]
Jason McIntyre
I think they go from what, what, they have 14 or 15 wins, something like that.
- [33:01]
Alex Curry
They were up there.
- [33:02]
Jason McIntyre
They're gonna probably slide backslide to like 8, 9, 10.
- [33:05]
Alex Curry
Okay.
- [33:06]
Jason McIntyre
That would be my guess.
- [33:07]
Alex Curry
Okay. I mean, but like, also, like, we're.
- [33:09]
Jason McIntyre
Gonna do Vegas over unders still.
- [33:11]
Alex Curry
Vikings still don't like what you're going for. Jj, they haven't fully committed, like, who their quarterback's gonna be like, Green Bay was also great. Jordan Love's been great. And then now you have Ben Johnson in the same division with the Bears with Caleb Williams, and this is kind of his first big year to prove it. And he knows your team better than anybody. So it's. They're still the favorite in the division, the Lions. But so.
- [33:36]
Jason McIntyre
So you're a belief they should retain the culture that Johnson, Glenn and Campbell put together.
- [33:41]
Alex Curry
Oh, yes. Retain the grit culture. That's who they are. That's their identity.
- [33:45]
Jason McIntyre
Right.
- [33:46]
Alex Curry
That's alliance identity.
- [33:47]
Jason McIntyre
But then, so the new guys don't get to do them. They have to do what the previous regime did.
- [33:51]
Alex Curry
It depends. Well, he's. The guy coming in is one of Dan Campbell's guys.
- [33:55]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [33:55]
Alex Curry
So he's already going to be a part of that and understand the culture.
- [33:58]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [33:58]
Alex Curry
So that's gonna work. That's gonna be helpful, but it's gonna be interesting. You hope it works.
- [34:02]
Jason McIntyre
Well, I don't. I don't.
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Alex Curry
We're skipping.
- [34:10]
Jason McIntyre
All right. Alex Curry with the news.
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FDIC Wendy
Well, that's the news.
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Alex Curry
And thanks for stopping by.
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FDIC Wendy
The Herd lie news. Whoa.
- [34:19]
Jason McIntyre
Holy cow. All right. They're showing me a tweet of huge breaking news that the Nuggets have fired head coach Michael Malone. Denver's on a four game losing streak right now. What is happening? In the NBA. So last week, the Grizzlies fired their coach out of the blue. And now Michael Malone, who won a title with the Nuggets just a few years ago, a couple of years ago, he's fired. Holy cow. All right, so breaking news. We're going to have to tear up the show. I'm going to have to do some hard work during the commercial break to find out what the hell happened. My goodness. Michael Malone fired as coach of the Nuggets. We'll be back with some updates on that next.
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FDIC Wendy
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Jason McIntyre
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
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Jason McIntyre
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
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Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
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Alex Curry
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the middle with Jeremy Hobson it's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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Alex Curry
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
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Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
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Jason McIntyre
Thanks for having me. Jeremy.
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Jeremy Hobson
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FDIC Wendy
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important, important issues.
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Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
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FDIC Wendy
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary? And what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
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Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty, Tarang Amin.
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Jason McIntyre
The way I approach risk is constantly try things and actually make it okay to fail.
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Bob Pittman
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Alex Curry
I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life.
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Bob Pittman
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Jason McIntyre
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Bob Pittman
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Jason McIntyre
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Alex Curry
The road to the Indy 500 hits the streets of Long beach for 50th running of the Long Beach Grand Prix. The fastest racing on Earth continues Sunday at 4:30 Eastern on Fox.
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Jason McIntyre
Boy, dude. Never a dull moment in the NBA. Breaking news. The Denver Nuggets, who won the NBA championship in 2023, have fired their head coach, Michael Malone, and their GM Calvin Booth. Ladies and gentlemen, the playoffs start in like 10 days in the NBA. What is happening now? I was scurrying during the break to get some information. It's so weird because I think yesterday I alluded to Denver being a bit of a mess, and this morning I saw that Jamal Murray's hurt. And the way Michael Malone is talking lately, he's just talking kind of wild. But that has historically been his M.O. he's a queens guy, grew up in the Northeast. He's a tough talker. He's a little combative. Do you remember when the Lakers beat Denver? One game in that series in the playoffs and he came back and, oh, the Lakers won one game. He's just basically, you guys are talking trash about us. I can't believe it. We're going to destroy them, he said. Like, put it in your pipe and smoke it. He was really just aggressive and this is his nature. And there are reports I'm reading that maybe he was kind of sort of losing the locker room in Denver again. He is a mouthy individual. There's nothing wrong with that. As a coach, you know that that can work for so long. But when you're not winning. The staff here found some numbers for Jokic in April. Okay, this is real. He's averaging 45 points, 12 boards and 10 assists in the month of April. They're oh, and three. Like, how are you not winning in crunch time? They were looking at being the 3 seed. They could potentially fall to the 6, 7, 8, maybe into the plan. They don't have any wins with Jokic putting up huge stats. Now, obviously the Jamal Murray injury and Jamal Murray always seems to be hurt. That's kind of damaging. You do have who I believe is the best player in the league, who I would have as MVP in Nikola Jokic putting up historic rate numbers. But it just doesn't seem to be working now early in the season and Murray hasn't played in the last two weeks because he's, he's so banged up and obviously that hurts. You know, Christian Brown and Russell Westbrook. That's not a backcourt that scares anybody. But one of the interesting things about Denver is that Malone historically doesn't like playing young guys. They don't always know how to play. There's a steep learning curve. You got to deal with a lot of dumb turnovers and bad shots. He likes to lean on veterans. So the GM of the Nuggets gave this big fat contract to Zeke Najee, who was one of these combine warriors, one of these workout dudes who's like, measurements through the roof, checks all the boxes. He gets on the court, he can't play. And the GM still gives him a big extension, which was a blunder. They paid Michael Porter Jr. I don't know that he could guard half the guys in my men's basketball league. I like Aaron Gordon a lot. I think he's a good piece. I think Jokic is obviously a superstar. I didn't like the Russell Westbrook move, but it speaks to Malone having influence on the gm. Hey, man, go get me a veteran who's going to try hard and hustle. Michael Malone loves a good try hard, but the narrative of Denver trying hard is not there because they're not stopping anybody now. So you got mpj, doesn't play defense. Russ is a bit of a train wreck and out of control. Jokic is dominating but looking around like, where's my help? And Jamal Murray's in street clothes again. So Denver is slip sliding badly in the West. And as the staff pointed out to me, Taylor Jenkins was fired by Memphis last week. They were in the top five in the West. And Ryan, who, you know, a longtime producer, he was actually my first radio show producer when I had a weekend show, said something smart. He's like, you know what it kind of sort of feels like. These teams don't think they can compete to win a title this year, so they're getting ahead of the coaching cycle for this summer. Hey, man, we ain't going to win. Let's just see if the assistant can be promoted. Let's see what he can do. If we could change some of the voices in the locker room. And let's think about the summer. So Memphis fires their coach two weeks before the playoffs. Denver fires their coach a week before the playoffs. The problem is Malone just won a title. He's the winningest coach in franchise history. He's been there for 10 years, and you fire him a week before the playoffs. Now the staff is sending me some good stuff here. According to Ramona Shelburne the situation in Denver is been tense and pressurized since the beginning of the year. Malone and Booth had big ideas and strong wills. Both are now gone. Again. This was a weird mix in the locker room. Apparently Booth and Malone didn't really like each other and get along. They did not talk and they spoke behind each other's backs. That's toxic, man. When are we going to start reading about are the Denver Nuggets wasting Jokic's prime? I mean, that's probably got to come next. Now, I did see one of my buddies who's a huge Knicks fan. I mean, the body's not even cold in Denver and Knicks fans are like, can we get Michael Malone for Tibbs? Can we, can we do that trade? Can we run up, move off Tibs? Tibbs, by the way, in New York, is running his players into the ground. I think for like the top 30 players, minutes wise are on the Knicks. And you know what's going to happen when they get to the playoffs? They're going to be broken. Same thing happened to Tibbs in Chicago. Could Michael Malone, who instantly is going to vault to the top of every wish list around the league. Hey, man, I would not be surprised if there's NBA teams right now looking, do we love our guy? Should we go after Michael Malone? I mean, I don't know that the Phoenix Suns would do it, but remember they ran off Frank Vogel, who I saw at an event a couple weeks ago. Very nice guy. Does watch the Herd shout out to Frank. They fired him after one year. Well, Budenholzer comes in, he beefs with Kevin Durant. The videos are out there now. Katie has downplayed it, but with the Suns move off another coach two one and dones and bring in Michael Malone. I don't know. It's possible, but oh, my gosh, Alex, any. I know it's, it's just breaking and we're trying to get, get our bearings here, but it's just kind of fascinating. Fire. You could coach 10 days before the playoffs.
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Alex Curry
It feels weak. It feels weak to your fan base. It feels weak to the organization. You're still in a playoff position. You are in fourth in the west right now and you are throwing in the towel saying, I, I don't, I don't think we can do it. I don't think we can win a championship. It just, it's not the mentality you want from a franchise. An organization at like the most important stretch of the regular season when you're in a playoff position, yes, you suck like You. Oh, man. Like, you tough it out. You tough it out. Like, what are you gonna do? Someone's not gonna come in and make it better right now, the last week of the regular season and into the postseason. But it also, because we were talking about Russell Westbrook's body language yesterday when he was talking to the media, and now it all kind of makes sense. Like, oh, things were like, not good behind closed doors. And you might have thought that might have been the case. And he was kind of giving that energy and vibe off. And this is just. Whoo. It just. I. I don't agree with. When you are in a position to win and you are in a playoff position, a high playoff position, like, why would you do this?
- [47:05]
Jason McIntyre
Something weird.
- [47:06]
Alex Curry
Why would you. There's something more that we don't know.
- [47:08]
Jason McIntyre
I've been waiting for the Memphis story to come out on Taylor Jenkins, and nothing's come out. It's been a week. Maybe they're still waiting to do the Tick Tock, but. And not Tick tock, the app, like the story of day to day, hour to hour. Got it. Okay, so we're still. Wait. We'll wait for that on Malone. But here's another interesting note. So the owner of the Denver Nuggets is Stan Kroenke, and he also owns the Rams. What do the Rams have a really unified front with McVay and Snead. They're like a tandem. They go everywhere together. They seem to get along great. They have a shared, unified vision. It doesn't appear. And I, again, I don't know 100% if there is a shared, unified vision between Boos and Malone, but it sounds like Booth wanted to mix in some young guys and Malone was like, no, thanks. I want veterans. Remember, he was reluctant to play Christian Brown at all. And I watched a video clip during the commercial about Brown meeting the media, and he just, he looks young, okay? He's playing with Jokic, Westbrook, Aaron Gordon. These guys have been around a lot of playoffs and Brown looks still kind of wide eyed and kind of shook and rattled. And I don't know if your coach and the GM are not on the same page. It ain't going to work. Listen, if Alex and I are not getting along or we totally disagree, this is going to look awkward and I think the audience is going to tell.
- [48:25]
Alex Curry
Yeah, but again, like, then let the GM go right now. Fire the gm. But keep your head coach.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Malone has won so much.
- [48:33]
Alex Curry
Like, it was a 2023. He won an NBA championship. He is your winningest coach in franchise history. He's been with the team for 10 years.
- [48:40]
Jason McIntyre
His story coming from the Kings, where he got run off.
- [48:43]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
- [48:43]
Jason McIntyre
Where again, he is a Comb guy. And listen, you can only battle with management long enough when you're winning. Yeah, right. Hey, I'm gonna say what I want. I'm gonna do what I want. We're on top. I don't give up. You know, now you're suddenly losing, sliding in the standings, and all of a sudden, maybe the locker room, then it's easy to move off of them, and you just make it a package deal. Let's get both of them the hell out of here.
- [49:04]
Alex Curry
But not right now. Right now doesn't. You're. You're in fourth place. You still have, like, a winning record.
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Jason McIntyre
There was video of Malone talking about Jamal Murray and talking about his team, and I think there was a loss Monday to the Pacers. That was what it was on Monday. And he came out and is basically like, yeah, nobody watches their minutes on film. Nobody watches film. He's, like, taking shots at his players. Like, I try to teach these guys to watch film. They don't want to watch film. Hey, listen, it's tough to teach an old dog new tricks. I'm sure it's difficult to tell veteran Russell Westbrook, who's been in the league for, like, 15 years, hey, man, let's watch some film together. Hey, I'm a mvp. I'm a triple double machine. I'm going to the hall of Fame. I'm good on the film. Carmelo Anthony ran into some of this at the end of his career when he's bouncing around. It's tough to teach old dogs new tricks. And it's like, I don't know. I'm not. I'm not ready to side with Michael Malone yet. Obviously, more information is going to come out. This literally just broke eight minutes ago. But the Denver Nuggets have fired their head coach who won a championship. It's like 20.
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Alex Curry
20, 23.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. 2023 is, like, within the last two years.
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Alex Curry
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Unbelievable. So we'll obviously talk about this next hour. We got a NFL running back in studio. That should be fun. Gotta love when breaking news hits, right? I'm gonna go get another coffee. Get ready for the power hour.
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Capital One Bank Guy
Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast, too. Oh, really? Thanks Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member fdic we.
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Jeremy Hobson
Live in a divided country, and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs, mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Jason McIntyre
What's up everyone?
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Alex Curry
Julius Rippinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Jason McIntyre
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go. The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb. Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right? Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us. Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
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Alex Curry
Or wherever you get your podcasts.