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It is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. J. Mack. I think one of the things last night that was really interesting is that generally in the NBA finals or the conference finals, you don't have a bench player that takes over the arena. And T.J. mcConnell did last night that. I mean, he's just a spark plug. But one of the reasons I love Halliburton so much, it's not just that he's a smart player, it's not the IQ. He's secure in himself. He's got an incredibly high EQ. And so as McConnell is going off, it's Halliburton's not, he's not bothered by it. He can read the arena. He is seeing the energy. And I think this is a big part of Carlisle and Haliburton. This is why Halliburton is such a unique player. Basically in the NBA you gotta have a bag. You know, Everybody's banging on LeBron. LeBron doesn't have a B. He's the all time leading scorer. He's got more than one bag. Halliburton is totally comfortable with other players taking over a quarter. He wants to win. I listen to Halliburton and just his thoughts on TJ McConnell taking over the game in the second quarter. His energy is unbelievable. You guys know he's, he's definitely a crowd favorite. I joke with him. I call him the great White Hope. Now. He had a couple unbelievable steals. You know, just I think in, in the series like this, what's so important is the margins. You know, you gotta win in the margins. You know, it's, it's, it's not necessarily who can make the most shots or anything. He's taking care of the ball, rebound and little things like that. I thought he does a great job of just giving us energy plays consistently and getting downhill and operating. I mean, nobody operates on the baseline like that guy, you know, So I thought he did a great job of consistently getting there and just making hustle play after hustle play. I thought the game last night came down to blocks. Chet Holmgren blocked several times. Pacers had 11 blocks, steals, Pacers had double assists, Pacers. And that's what he's talking about. Winning on the margins. It's not just getting yours. So, so much of the NBA culture. And I get it and I kind of like it. It's like, what's your bag? How are your handles? There's a certain aesthetic to the league. It's not just, you know, score. It's like Alex English led the NBA in scoring in the 80s. Not Michael Jordan. Alex English, but, you know, he was like Kiki Vandeway. You'd look up. He had 28 points. You know, their elbow, you know, free throw line, elbow extended. SGA's got a little bit of that. Like SGA flops. His game isn't. Halliburton is so good in the clutch, so good in late game threes. But I think the thing that jumps out to me is his ability to let others flourish and have the self awareness to read the room, to read the building. Remember years ago I complained that Carmelo Anthony was threatened by Jeremy Lin for two weeks. And I'm like, dude, you gotta let others flourish. Team leaders are. I mean, Brady O is new. Give me a run game. I don't need to throw 48 times. Like Halliburton is just so. Okay. Other players having their moment and. And boy did several guys did last night with that. Rachel Nichols is joining us live in studio. And you know, Rachel, I. It is. I love watching Indiana play, but you know, I think we all. Look at all. The Celtics are coming back and Oklahoma City's future and watch Wemby. If they resign Miles Turner, they have a lot of ascending players. I think people are forgetting this team got to the Eastern conference finals last year and was bad defensively. I mean, my take is. I think. I think Indiana's talent. Rachel. Doesn't take a back seat one through eight to anybody right now in this league.
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Rachel Nichols
Certainly not in the Eastern Conference. Right. I mean, especially with Tatum out all next year. They have to be the favorite going into next season no matter how this finals plays out. Because look at what they have done to your point. And they're going to have more confidence going into next season again, even if they lose the finals, they will now have a team full of players who have been to the NBA finals, who are hungry to get back to the NBA finals and who have the wherewithal to know that they can finish games even when they're behind. And that's really the strength of this Pacers team. They play for all 48 minutes. There have been team after team after team that keeps falling into this trap, and I don't understand it, but we see teams let up on them and sometimes it's exhaustion. But Thunder looked tired last night, Colin, and it'd be interesting with only a day off between games to see how they come out on Friday.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's. You know, we're going through an era. I grew up in the 1970s, which I reference all the time. Much to the chagrin of J. Mac is that I grew up with a Walton, Jeff Petrie, Maurice Lucas, Blazers, and then the Downtown Freddie Brown, dj, Gus Williams, Sonics, and then the Rick Bar, Clifford, Ray, Al adel, Warriors, and Dr. J and the Sixer. Everybody won one. Yep. Everybody won one. And. And people say what the league was. My great memories of the NBA as a kid are all from the 70s, and we're going through the same thing where every year it's a different team in the NBA. And last night was a real moment for me because I looked at myself and I thought, man, is this team going to run off multiple titles. And they do have a little bit of a kryptonite. They need the whistle. And when SGA doesn't get the whistle, Rachel, you saw it last night. Their shot creation. The last six minutes was bad. So I feel like. I feel like you can kind of look and go, everybody's got, like, Jokic wasn't a great defender. That was their kryptonite. Like you could attack Jokic. Do you think. Do you think Indiana looks this morning at OKC and thinks we found a little bit of their kryptonite, which is attack SGA if he doesn't get the whistle, they're 4 and 4 and 8 playoff games. When he doesn't.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, I mean, to your point, this is a nerdy stat, but schedulous. Alexander was actually the closest defender on the most amount of Indiana shots. I think 23 shots. So that tells you that they were involving him. They were going at him and what happened, the result was that they were scoring. So, yes, I think that is a little bit of it. But big picture, I guess my thought is that we are so quick in sports today to rush to be like, they're amazing or they're trash. And in this case, it was. The Thunder are one of the best teams ever. The Thunder were one of the best teams this season. They're one of the best teams of the last few years. The point differential, the way they won games was historic. But this team is not the 86 Celtics this team is not the 2001 Lakers. This is not Steph Curry's Golden State warriors in their prime. It is a team that is young, that as you say, has some flaws here and there. And we'll still have to see with sga. I mean, look, if he wins this finals and wins Finals mvp, he will already have the accolades to get into the hall of Fame just off this one year scoring title, regular mvp, Finals mvp, if he gets it titled, that kind of thing. But he's not there yet. They haven't won yet. So we just have to see how good this Thunder team is. And what I love is that the Pacers are showing people they are better than people thought. The gap is smaller than people thought. And they are going to test the Thunder.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Okay, let's talk Knicks. I'll just. I'm gonna leave the dance floor open here. James Dolan was gone for a couple years, you know, creating the sphere. And they became very pragmatic and they were very patient. I mean, they were like, not the Knicks. And this is not a shot at Dolan, but he fashions himself as an artist and a friend to artists. And all the names I see as the next coach are all star coaches like Phil Jackson as gm. I'm telling you, it feels like there's a. They're kind of bailing water here. Or do they have a plan?
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Rachel Nichols
Well, they clearly don't have a plan. I mean, that's obvious. And you can quibble about the Tibeto thing. I would never have fired him after he led the Knicks to their best season in 25 years. After all he has done in the five years he has been there, has won. And by the way, I've covered Tibbs on three different teams. I've known him for 20 years. I understand that the Tibbs experience wears on people. I'm not saying that he was a perfect coach or there weren't problems, but this is a results based business and he got the results. And some of the complaints I've heard coming sort of in the reporting from players has been like, oh, we didn't have enough scrimmages in the preseason. What? That's what you're talking about now? There's some complaints about, oh, we didn't practice end of game situations enough. I don't know, you won enough end of game situations that you got to game six of the Eastern Conference finals. And by the way, the longer the Pacers extend this Finals, they don't have to win it. The longer they extend it, the more that Losing to the Pacers in six games feels like is that really a fireable offense? So I had a problem with the decision to begin with and to do this and not know who your next coach is, it's just a little bit insane. And then to really ask around to six different teams if their coaches are available is a lot insane. And the line out of Madison Square Garden is they're just trying to assess who is and isn't available. And that is not how you do this. And by the way, who thought he may Udoka would be available? Who thought that Chris Finch who just left led Minnesota to two back to back conference finals and has a great relationship with his star would be available? I mean just my 13 year old could have told you that. I just, it shocks me the way they're going about this. It really does.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to talk about, about Giannis. KD fits almost everywhere. I think San Antonio is a bit of a weird fit for him, but he fits in Houston, he fits in Miami, he fits in New York. Giannis. To get Giannis you have to give up draft capital. And I, I have think I've told you this, Rachel. I think that NBA draft is going to get better going forward because more players are staying in college basketball with nil and they're also stealing top European players from Spanish leagues. So college basketball, that Kentucky, that, that Yukon team two years ago, that's like seven NBA guys. Like we're going back to a time when Ewing and Georgetown and Duke, it was like those teams had NBA guys that could play. So I don't think giving up draft picks, which 10 years ago, I mean you were getting 18 year olds, right? I wouldn't give up draft picks. How big do you think the Giannis market is? We know kd, you don't have to give up as much, but you're changing the ecosystem with Giannis. I saw a story yesterday. Nope, he won't leave. This roster is not good enough to compete. I mean outside of Giannis, who on this roster could play for Indiana? So what is your gut feeling on Giannis in Milwaukee?
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Rachel Nichols
Well, look, I think there is a good chance that he stays. And I think it is about more than winning. I mean guys who have been around the league for a long time understand that to win a title you have to have not only the roster, not only the players, not only the chemistry. You have to have a tremendous amount of luck. The wrong guy can't get injured at the wrong time. Giannis himself has been on the other end of that Three years in a row now, who you run up against in the bracket. So changing and uprooting your whole life to be like, oh, maybe with this team, I could get a title. There are players who will do that every time, and then there are players who think twice about that sort of thing. And I think that is what Giannis is doing right now. If he does decide to leave, if he's. You know what? I need a second ring. I'm going to chase it. I'm going to see where I can go. If you are a team that is close, I disagree with you, Colin. I would give up the farm for Giannis Antetokounmpo. I would give up anything that they want that would still keep me with enough of a championship core. Because the future is the future. If you win a title, maybe even two titles, because you added Giannis Antetokounmpo to an already stacked roster, which are the guy. Those are the teams that are really most in the market for him. Right where they really feel like they have something already and they're one Giannis away from a title. And he is not only one of the best players in the league. If his numbers had been in a vacuum this year, he would have won mvp. If Jokic and SGA didn't exist and weren't dueling the way they were, Giannis absolutely would have won MVP. He's only 30 years old. He's still at the top of his game. He's so dominant. I would absolutely tear things up, certainly my future picks, if I could get Giannis, and I was a team that was closest to a championship close. Ish, I would I do it.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, before we go, Malone from Denver. I know he runs hot. I know he runs hot, but he's considered a very good scheme coach. Like, he knows his stuff. Is he in the running? Like, why isn't he being mentioned?
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Rachel Nichols
I think just because he and Tibbs are so alike. And I think some of the reasons Tom did get fired from New York is being a bit set in his ways of being a bit obstinate about things. Michael Malone is known for both of those things. You know, the latest reporting is that they are now. Now that they've moved on from asking other guys for their wives, basically asking other teams for their head coaches. They are now talking to Mike Brown. They're looking at Taylor Jenkins. Those names are the names I would have expected them to start with. And, you know, they could be good fits there. We'll see. I mean, they're both excellent Coaches, but I still. You know, they've set such a bar with firing Tom After Game 6, the Eastern Conference finals. Whoever comes into that job, if they don't win a title, the Knicks have already told all of us that that's a failure. And that's quite a strange thing to do as a franchise.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I. Whenever I hear, you know that coach runs hot. Steve Kerr runs hot.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, there are some broken clipboards.
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Rachel Nichols
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Like, I. These guys all run hot. I'm. It's. It's an intense league. Rach, great seeing you, as always.
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Rachel Nichols
Thank you.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Yeah, I think Malone's pretty good. I thought he got kind of a raw deal in Denver, so he wanted to play Westbrook, and the GM wanted to play the draft picks. But if you watch the playoffs, Westbrook was incredibly important for Denver's energy. So Malone is like, I want to play Russell Westbrook more. Well, you watch Westbrook in the playoffs. I've been a Westbrook critic. I thought he was great. I think he was unbelievable for Denver. So I side with Malone. I would hire him. I. The hole. He runs hot. Steve Kerr is a barker. Like. Like. I mean, Steve Kerr is intense. Spoelstra is super intense. He and LeBron had multiple engagements that weren't pleasant. Pat Riley was intense. I don't worry about that stuff. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the iHeartRadio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Summer is here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake. That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan. Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn or it. And it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered. Don't worry, because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost. Almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details.
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Eric Mangini
So you want me to monitor what should know against the backup.
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Colin Cowherd
Hold on, I gotta plug it in. I did plug it. I can't hear you.
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Eric Mangini
I. I can do that.
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Colin Cowherd
Go ahead.
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Eric Mangini
I can monitor the reps against number twos, the FedEx drivers. Sure, I can watch those numbers.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.
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Eric Mangini
Heard on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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Eric Mangini
We're gonna start here with an established quality quarterback and his name is Brock Purdy. He has a lot of pressure on him this season. You know, you get the bag and all of a sudden you gotta deliver. Purdy is now the highest paid niner and Trent Williams is ecstatic for his quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
It's super, super fulfilling just to watch a guy like Brock. And I mean you talk about a Cinderella story. I think this is the epitome of that. You know, he got from going making, you know, a few hundred thousand a year to making 50 million a year is astronomical. And it couldn't have happened to a better guy. He is the guy for this team. He is the guy for this franchise. He will. I mean this is just tip of the iceberg. He's going to get another contract. He's going to win a lot of football games. He's that good of a player.
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Eric Mangini
We could talk about the American dream cowherd the American sports dream is what happened to Brock Purdy, right? Last pick in the draft, Mr. Irrelevant. Literally called Mr. Irrelevant. And then next thing you know he's got the Niners in the as NFC title game and then the super bowl. And he goes from making like I think it was 700,000 to 50, 63 million. Like that is the American sports dream.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Kurt Warner wasn't drafted either was Romo.
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Eric Mangini
The key is never got to the Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's. But let's not pretend you can duplicate this. Sometimes stuff is lightning in a bottle or it's a one off. You're not going to find Kurt Warner who's a top 20 quarterback I've ever seen play like Kurt Warner was. I don't care what the numbers are. He was a great quarterback. Is that sometimes you're not going to find Jokic in the second round. Don't get used to that. We're never going to find. In the history of the NBA, we'll never have the best player taken from the second round. That will never happen again.
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Eric Mangini
Probably not. But, you know, the. Jokic was found in, like, the mountains of wherever he's from. Giannis was also found in, you know, BFE Greece. Like, you're finding these guys, you got to scale the globe. I mean, NFL teams, maybe they got to look harder to find the next Kurt Warner. I don't. He's out there somewhere. You know that.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think what, what NFL scouts do almost to a fault is they fall in love with traits. So if you're not 6:2, if you're not 218, if you don't have a big arm, you get. You get knocked off boards. And I. And I think now, I do think that stuff matters. There's a reason. I mean, people can say the NFL doesn't know what they're doing with quarterbacks. Yeah, they do. Marino, first round. Payton, first round. Manning, first down. I mean, just go through all these guys. Lamar, first round. Allen, first down. Mahomes, first round. The great quarterbacks of all time, overwhelmingly. It's just that Montana and Brady did not. And Kurt Warner was undrafted. But there's a reason players drop. I mean, Jalen Hurts is great, but he's still not a great pocket passer.
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Eric Mangini
If you talk to Greg, sorry, that's an accident.
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Colin Cowherd
Greg Cosell. Greg Cosell wins. On our show, Greg Cosell has been telling me for two years, and he said it about Russell Wilson at the time, because of his height, he misses throws. Tua acknowledges I can't see everything. The big guys can. So you can win all the games you want, but when Greg Cosell says, like, he misses throws. So there's a. But there are traits that NFL guys look for, and Brock doesn't have a lot of them. In fact, you said yesterday, well, his, his brain's the key. Hard to see the brain like, like at Iowa State, you're like, yeah, I mean, I guess. But is it coaching or is it so. I mean, I think there's a reason he dropped. There's. I mean, there's a reason Tom Brady dropped.
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Eric Mangini
You could say he dropped or teams whiffed on him, including the Niners in the draft. But to go back, just to be clear, the numbers from. Pff. Say Jalen Hurts is one of the best pocket passers in the league, 77%. He's awesome. But I know he doesn't have the hype, so maybe that's the issue. And there's so many first round quarterback whiffs. I mean, obviously there are a lot of hits in the first, but there's a lot of whiffs. Maybe it's because people see, oh, he's six four with a cannon arm. We got it, we got it. We got to bring this guy on. I mean, I don't have the Jameis Winston. That's a massive width.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, but I mean, you have to take a quarterback if you need it. Like next year. Cleveland. If Shador Sanders doesn't hit, I think he will there. I mean, like Tennessee this year had to take a quarterback. The coaching staff's going into year two off a losing season and Will Levis isn't the answer. So you do get trapped. It's the one position that I think we should allow for. Overdrafting. Never overdraft a wide receiver. There's a million in the NFL. Don't overdraft for interior offensive linemen or off ball linebackers. Safeties. Don't overdraft for that stuff. But a great center, I would get him in the first round. A great tight end, Brock Bowers. Draft him in the first round. But I do think quarterback is. If you need it, draft it.
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Eric Mangini
Okay, so let's do the Saints real quick. I know nobody cares about the Saints. We never talk about them on the show. They drafted the kid Tyler Shock and everybody's like, what are you doing? Because he looks the part. Six foot seven, big arm. Meanwhile, he's like 26, 27 years old. Shedeur was sitting out there. He would have sold tickets. Shador would have sold tickets. In New Orleans, ain't nobody showing up to see Tyler Shuck. I don't understand that right there. Well, I think when people say the NFL doesn't get quarterbacks in the first round and early, I think that Tyler Schuck is kind of one of the examples.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think don't the Saints have Spencer Rattler? And I think, I think if you go back and look at both of them out of college, I think Rattler had a higher ceiling than Shock. So to me, I didn't get what New Orleans is doing. I don't trust New Orleans since Sean Payton and Drew Brees left. I just don't like the direction of the franchise and their hires. But I, I, the I'll push back that the NFL doesn't know what they're doing. I'm sure there's, I mean you go look at the NBA draft. Did Steph Curry go number one? No, there's a lot. Where did Halliburton go? Like there's a lot of dudes in the NBA. The best defensive player of all time, Draymond Green went in the second round. The best player in the world went in the second round. I think Tony Parker went late, first or second round, Manu Ginobili. So it's inexact when you're drafting young people.
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Eric Mangini
It's just inexact baseball. Mike Piazza, wasn't he like a 62nd round pick or something crazy? Like there's this examples of it in every sport.
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Colin Cowherd
I agree.
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Eric Mangini
Let's go to the New York Giants and their quarterback room features Russell Wilson, Jackson Dart, Jameis Winston. But Colin, there seemed to be some issues. According to the New York Daily News, the Giants offensive operation with Russell Wilson at the helm has not been smooth, consistently productive or explosive. I have been saying from the moment Jackson Dart got to the podium, he won over the media. I'm just telling you he's, he looks the part, he sounds it. He's like asking guys their name, the little things. And then Jackson Dart. Is there a world where he takes his job from? Russ, like early in September, I would not be shocked.
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Colin Cowherd
Russell Wilson, another guy, by the way, as Brian Dabel will find out, that doesn't always see open receivers because of a height issue. I know we love the short quarterback thing, but it does matter. The average old lineman, 6, 6 to 6, 7. So I think I never saw Jackson Dart as a first round quarterback. But I will say this. We look at New York as a tire fire, but Brian Dabel as a coach is a pretty good opening coach in the NFL. Like we looked at Washington as a mess. Remember last year with Washington, we were like new owner, new gm, new coach, new coordinators. But all the new guys were good. I think you can do a lot worse than Brian Dabel as your first coach in the NFL. So if I think we're going to see the best of Jackson Dart, whether he's good enough, I don't know. I thought he was more of a second third round pick, but we'll get the best of him. And I think Russell Wilson, I mean Pittsburgh last year, the last five games, he was just ineffective. So. And I think, you know, Pete Carroll moved off him. Sean Payton moved off him. Mike Tomlin moved off him. Him. We have a. We have a. Mike Tomlin always says two is a trend. Well, Russell's on a three, a three team trend, which is high profile. Coaches Pete, Peyton and Tomlin have all moved off Russ. So that tells me Jackson Dart's going to get looks.
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Eric Mangini
So I just went to the NFL draft combine measurements. Jackson Dart, 6:2, 2:23. J.J. mcCarthy, 6:2 and a half 219. So almost identical. Hand size similar. And Brock Pie, 61 2:12. So all those guys are kind of in the same space size wise, Colin. And you know, to go back to Russell Wilson, some stats on the screen here. He's not been very good in the last three years. You know, he's down there.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I mean, just, just. I mean, seriously.
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Eric Mangini
Oh gosh.
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Colin Cowherd
Three straight hall of Fame level coaches have moved off Russell. That's, that's. I mean, Pete couldn't get him out of town fast enough. And Sean Payton and he just did not. We're not compatible. Compatible. And I. Tomlin. According to a story last week, J. Mac, the Steelers wanted to resign Justin Fields.
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Eric Mangini
They didn't want Russ.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they, they wanted Fields. So, I mean, Tomlin, even though he benched him by the end of the year, wanted to work with him. So I think the trend is Russell Wilson will not start 17 games.
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Eric Mangini
Yeah, agreed. Final story. Collins, Bill Belichick. You know, things have died down with the Jordan Hudson matter lately. However, yesterday Belichick conducted a rare press conference and addressed the issues, I'm just going to call them issues that have emerged outside of the product on the football field.
- [31:53]
Colin Cowherd
Here we go. Is there noise out there? That's. We've always dealt with that. Really. You know, our job is to, is to build the football team and, and for the team to, you know, help build the team and also build their individual careers. Now, she doesn't have any role in the UNC football program, but again, there's been, you know, noise out there about a lot of different things. Again, our focus is, you know, day to day, getting better, stacking good days together. I like that he addresses it. I. You know how I feel about this relationship. Some people can't spot true love, others can.
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Eric Mangini
Oh, come on. So, Colin, I know you're. Yeah, I don't want. That's probably making it too personal. I was gonna say, your daughter comes home and she's like, I met a 70 year old guy I want to date. Yeah. Yeah, let's see how you take that guy. I know. I, I mean my daughter's way younger than that middle school, but that would be a little like, where have I failed as a parent? Like, how does that happen, man? Well, you gotta admit, something's a little off. 24 or whatever and 70. A 50 year age gap.
- [32:54]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I'm not, I'm not a moralist on this stuff. I'm not judgmental.
- [32:57]
Eric Mangini
You have to be a moralist. Common sense. What do they have in common? Give me one thing.
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Colin Cowherd
What do they have in common? They're both aspirational, driven people. Well, what's wrong with that?
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Eric Mangini
I love it. I, you know, I did not know you would be so good on this topic. When it came out, I was like, oh, this is a no fly zone. J Max, stay away. I'm going to say something I regret and coward just diving in like. I mean, yeah, Michael Phelps.
- [33:23]
Colin Cowherd
Just because something I wouldn't do something. I don't invest in Bitcoin. I think there's grifters everywhere. But I know, but I know smart people that, you know, are. Given they're not putting their portfolio in it. I think it's grifter paradise. It's unregulated currency like stay or stay away. There's a lot of people that think it's great. So that doesn't mean I am not comfortable at this point putting, you know, my equity portfolio there. But I, I'm not anti. It obviously has made people a lot of money.
- [33:57]
Eric Mangini
So you can put 5, 5%.
- [33:59]
Colin Cowherd
I don't have a problem with it. I'm just saying my take is just because somebody does something that make me a little squeamish or not something I would do, that doesn't. That does. I. I'm not going to jump out of a plane. My son did. Okay, okay. I'm not doing that. I'm not swimming with sharks. But I had a friend who did.
- [34:16]
Eric Mangini
Have you talked with Anne at all about Belichick dating this young woman?
- [34:19]
Colin Cowherd
Well, she doesn't like it.
- [34:22]
Eric Mangini
Interesting. I found an very sharp and smart, very wise individual. Every time I've talked with her.
- [34:28]
Colin Cowherd
You are too. Except when you talk. Jalen hurts. No, she does. She doesn't like it and it's, you know, I, I try to avoid topics that get her riled up. She's just an artist and she's emotional and I don't need to rile her up. So if she gets. She's unhappy.
- [34:45]
Eric Mangini
Let's wrap it up.
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Colin Cowherd
We don't talk. We don't talk a lot of politics. J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line. I. Eric Mangini is around the corner. I. It's interesting to me that you know how when people were saying, you know, and this was on the liberals kept saying, follow the science, follow the science. A lot of Democrats were preaching to Republicans, follow the science, follow the science. And then they didn't follow the science. Right. Like, you know, be careful what you lecture. But everybody's always telling me this is your opinion. You have a bias. You have an anti Shador Sanders bias. If you don't think he's the best quarterback in camp for Cleveland, look at the numbers. You're telling me to follow the data, to not be biased. The numbers dictate that clearly Shadour is the most accurate by a long shot in Cleveland camp. I'm following your orders. I have no bias. You know, it's, I mean, I, I criticized Dion for his super bowl proclamations that he didn't want to go to certain teams and I didn't like Draft Day war room by Shadow or I thought it was cringy. These numbers. Sorry for the radio audience, these numbers. 34, 44. Dylan Gabriel's 38 of 70, Eric Mangini and I'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, FOX Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We, we never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber lips, blaming me. Well, you know what? It's called Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been overpromising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also going to talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go. Overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely. Join us. Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan? Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details.
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E
Yeah, it means a little something, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't read too much into it. I feel like. Like you might be a Browns beat writer, Colin, because this, this hype train in Cleveland is so ridiculous right now. And I get it. There is a desperation coming off of desean Watson for some quarterback to emerge, for some hope to be there for the franchise. And they thought Chador could potentially be a high pick form and then they get him in the fifth round. So it exploded in Cleveland the second that he got here. And what Kevin Stefanski is trying to do is he's trying to tamper it down, he's trying to push it down. And you see all of his reps have been with the back end guys. He hasn't gotten any reps with the ones. To me, that, that's a good decision because as soon as he gets in with the ones, then the hype train is going to. Going to roll even further. I'd say the numbers have to be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. There's a lot of learning going on for him and to see the numbers, that's positive. But he's also working versus the back end of the roster, so his numbers should be a little bit higher just based on that as well. The other issue with Chador, it's not accuracy, it's how well he can deal with pressure in the pocket, the constant need to extend plays, the unnecessary sacks he took. And you're looking at an offensive line and a team in Cleveland had one of the worst percentages of sacks given up last season of anybody. So. So I just say you can get excited, but don't be too excited.
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Colin Cowherd
All right? That's how I feel about Pittsburgh and Aaron Rodgers, he is now a pocket quarterback. Arthur Smith can be pretty inflexible. They lost their left tackle, Najee Harris, and their top receiver. I don't have high hopes for it. I said eight wins, 23 touchdowns, 11 picks. I think that's being. And yesterday I went out and I looked at this. I took the nine older quarterbacks past their prime. That went to new teams. Brady Manning and Stafford won Super Bowls. They all won that super bowl with an offensive coach. Philip Rivers, by the way, with Frank Reich, had a terrific one year in Indianapolis, if you remember that. He. He was like a 97 passer rating, 11 wins. Went toe to toe with Josh Allen in Buffalo in the playoff game. The guys that don't work, the older Quarterbacks, defensive coach, defensive culture, inexperienced coach because I and my takeaway Eric is as a quarterback gets older, he doesn't want to get hit. He's got to have the right left tackle. You can't just bulldoze through problems with your athletic ability. And I think Aaron's at a point now he don't want to get hit. They don't have a strong left tack. I don't think it's going to be a dynamic year for him. Thoughts from you.
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E
Yeah, it may not be a dynamic year, but can we give the Steelers credit? They, they had Justin Fields, Russell Wilson and now Aaron Rodgers for, for two years and it cost him only $20 million. That's unbelievable. And when you look at what happened last season with, with Justin and Russell, they weren't great, but they were a lot better than their last stop. They were a lot better than, you know, Justin was a lot better than when he was in Chicago and Russell was a lot better than when he was in Denver. So you would think that Aaron's going to come in and be better than he was in New York and his numbers weren't terrible in New York. What do you have? 27 touchdowns and 11 picks. The picks were a little bit high but you, you've got a chance, he gives you a chance and that's really what this is about. There weren't great alternatives for Pittsburgh in the draft. There weren't great alternatives for Pittsburgh in free agency. So this is somewhat of a, of a marriage of necessity and convenience that that's inexpensive and here's what I'll say about, about the offense and dealing with an older quarterback. I had Brett Favre in New York and if you're going to make those guys work, you better do what they do well. So for Arthur Smith you can be inflexible, but you're going to be inflexible to the detriment of your offense. Give Aaron whatever he needs to be successful. Understand, you may not love it, it may not be what, what's your ideal but if you're going to bring in a 41 year old quarterback, do, do what he does well and do a lot of it and, and you can readjust next season but that gives you the best chance to make this work right now.
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Colin Cowherd
So I like mystery with my true crime series. I like mystery on, on movies. I do not love mystery with quarterbacks. I didn't like when I didn't get footage of Jordan Love for three years and everybody's telling me, oh, the practices at Minnesota with JJ McCarthy and my take is they flirted with Darnold, reportedly wanted to resign. They flirted with Daniel Jones. I they. There's some that say they looked at Aaron Rodgers. I feel like there's a lot of, there's a lot of flirting. Flirting leads to trouble in all aspects of life. What do you expect from J.J. mcCarthy? I got one preseason game, vanilla defenses, backups hurt, two surgeries. What are you expecting?
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E
Yeah, I'm a little bit like you, Colin. It's the old Mae west phrase. If you got to tell people you're a lady, then you're not. If you got to constantly tell everybody how great your quarterback is, how wonderful, you start to worry that they're doing it to pump him up, to give him confidence. And I didn't love him coming out in the, in the draft and now we're a year removed. He's coming off of an injury. He has no experience. The good news is at least he's over a lot of the rookie things. He, he's got the background of the offense. He's been through a lot of the things that rookies go through that make it really challenging. But he hasn't been through the most important thing, which is. Which is multiple defensive looks and, and all the things happening in real time. And now he's doing it coming off of an injury. I know they went and got Sam Howell as a backup. I could see this being a landing spot for, for Kirk Cousins at some point as a insurance policy if this doesn't work. Because Atlanta I think is going to have to wants to move off from him and he wants to move on and he has a good relationship with that staff in that city. So yeah, they want to make this work. They've invested a lot in them. I don't know if they have a real conviction with it or if they're just trying to build up everybody's confidence.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, finally, Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson's been outspoken. Ben said a couple of different times, we're not there yet. He's been tough on him at practice. My take at usc, Lincoln Riley didn't trust the O line. Caleb's last year in usc and he, he let Caleb do a lot more ad libbing and running because he kind of felt guilty that I'm not. He's going to be the number one pick. I'm not going to get this kid hurt and ruin his NFL prospects. So the last year at usc, it was a lot of hero ball. I think Caleb got into some bad habits. Eber flew staff didn't know how to corral him. I think he's got bad habits but great talent. What do you expect? Ben Johnson, Some of the comments are, Ben's like, hey, we're not there. We're doing this wrong. And I, and I understand it. I. His last year at USC was a little ad libbed and I don't. I think you get into bad habits that way.
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E
Yeah, you're absolutely right. What you saw with Caleb was, was a lot of the same things that you saw with Shador, where he's running around, he's extending plays. But with Caleb, you saw these wild plays time and time again when he was doing that, which excites you and you saw the overwhelming talent. So then he gets into pro football. He's drafted where he's drafted. There's so much hype around him. He doesn't do anything to tamper down the hype. He, if anything, continues to build the expectations. So now we're a year removed. Jaden Daniels ends up being the star of last year. And I'm sure this for Caleb, now there's probably a level of openness to coaching that maybe wasn't there when he first got into pro football, that maybe wasn't there when he was at USC where he's thinking, okay, I know what's best. So now he's got an offensive coordinator and a head coach that can really help him take the next step, provided he's willing to listen very carefully to do the things that they're asking him to do, to be patient with the things that they're asking him to do. And I think he should have as good a situation as you can have with the change in coaching staff. As long as he's open to holding up his end of the bargain.
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Eric Mangini
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Eric Mangini, undisclosed location. I can assure you though, it's nice and semi tropical.
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E
Great to see you, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Great to see you. By the way, J. Mac, I want to go back to this. Remember the Saquon Barkley leads the NFL in licensed merchandise sold. Right. Micah Parsons is ninth. No other cowboy in the top 15. And I think a lot of this is are you winning football games in January and February? I think the more games you win, like Saquon Barkley and Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts and Jaden Daniels and Josh Allen and the Detroit Lions, I do think it matters. Travis Kelsey's up there. Do you know, in the last 10 years, January, February football games where the Dallas Cowboys are in the NFL winning percentage, January and February football games last 10 years.
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Eric Mangini
Oh my God.
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Colin Cowherd
Last 10 years, 2 and 8, third worst in the league. The Cowboys have the worst record, 9 and 23 in the NFL in January and February since their last Super bowl win, 96.
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Eric Mangini
Oh goodness.
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Colin Cowherd
Now think about that. The worst record in the league. That's worse than everybody in the NFC south and the AFC South.
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Eric Mangini
Not great.
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Colin Cowherd
They have the worst record in the league, nine and 23 in January and February since their last Super bowl win in 96. And I think if you look at that list, a lot of guys that win there. Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a paychecks company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset, your people. Are you ready to become a Better Leader? Visit paycor.comleaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A nice tan? Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines? Yes. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Hi, it's Colin. I've been around long enough to know quality when I see it. Or in this case, when I taste it. Tito's Handmade vodka. Good stuff. No flash, no gimmick. Smooth, clean tasting. Made the right way. Tito's made in Austin, Texas. Real attention to detail. I like to keep it simple. Tito's Soda. One lime, lot of ice. Refreshing, easy. Summer, winter, spring. Totally versatile. Always works. Listen, baseball season's here. The perfect time to kick back with some Tito's. It's what I pour. You should, too. Distilled and bottled by 5th Generation Inc. Austin, Texas 40% alcohol by volume. Savor responsibly. Just like how true champs master both offense and defense, the BMW IX masters both ultimate performance and unbeatable space. Love mine. The greatest legends in sports never compromise in any aspect of their game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? What I love about my BMW IX is that it redefines the electric vehicle experience seamlessly integrates powerful performance, its bold, daring design, a refined interior, details cutting edge technology basically pushes the boundaries of innovation. Thousands of details went into creating the ultimate electric SUV. Compromise. Not one of them. This is an iHeart podcast.