Hour 2 - Changes for Baseball, Eric Mangini

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2: Changes for Baseball, Eric Mangini

Release Date: July 15, 2025

Hosts:

• Colin Cowherd
• J. Mac

Guest:

• Eric Mangini – Former NFL Head Coach and Analyst

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1. Introduction and Light Banter (00:00 - 03:42)

The episode kicks off with Colin Cowherd and J. Mac engaging in casual conversation about travel experiences, particularly contrasting East Coast and West Coast airports. Colin shares his personal experience living in Connecticut, highlighting the frequent airport delays caused by lightning storms and humidity on the East Coast.

Notable Quote:

Colin Cowherd [02:24]: "Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio..."

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2. Cooper Kupp's Summer League Debut (03:54 - 12:07)

Colin and J. Mac delve into Cooper Kupp's performance in the summer league, discussing his skills and potential impact. Colin praises Kupp's versatility and finesse, emphasizing his ability to elevate the play of those around him. They also touch upon the broader context of rookie players transitioning to the NBA, with Colin proposing a theory on minute and game restrictions for rookies to better acclimate to the league's physicality.

Notable Quote:

Colin Cowherd [06:30]: "That kid is something else. And he showed on draft night. He has a sense of humor."

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3. Nick Saban's Potential Return to College Football (12:07 - 28:04)

A significant portion of the episode centers on the speculation surrounding Nick Saban's possible return to college football. Colin expresses skepticism about the rumors, highlighting the challenges Saban would face in the current landscape dominated by NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals. He discusses the financial implications and the difficulty of buying out coaches in the new environment where schools are financially constrained.

Notable Quotes:

• Colin Cowherd [09:00]: "I just think he'll be back, whether that's NFL or college."
• Colin Cowherd [10:15]: "Nick Saban coaching college football. Yeah, don't mess with it."

The discussion further explores the stability of existing coaches like Lane Kiffin and Lincoln Riley, emphasizing that the NIL era makes high-profile coaching changes less likely due to financial constraints.

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4. All-Star Game and Player Performances (28:04 - 35:47)

Colin and J. Mac shift focus to the upcoming All-Star Game, debating player selections and standout performances. Colin expresses enthusiasm for Juan Soto's participation, comparing his reliability to legends like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. They also touch upon the nature of baseball and golf as mental sports, appreciating the nuances of prolonged slumps and individual performances.

Notable Quote:

Colin Cowherd [33:06]: "I can't wait to watch this kid pitch tonight. I think it's going to be great."

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5. Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams (35:47 - 30:21)

The conversation transitions to the Chicago Bears and their quarterback prospects, particularly focusing on Caleb Williams. Colin discusses Bears' head coach Ben Johnson's approach to building a winning culture, emphasizing accountability and detailed offensive strategies. They debate the team's prospects for playoff contention, weighing their roster's strengths against divisional rivals like Green Bay.

Notable Quote:

Colin Cowherd [26:50]: "Our roster has to get better. I have to get better. My teammates have to get better."

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6. Discussion with Eric Mangini: NFL Coaching and Player Contracts (30:21 - 50:17)

Guest Eric Mangini joins Colin for an in-depth discussion on NFL coaching dynamics, player contracts, and team strategies.

• T.J. Watt's Contract Situation: Eric highlights the significance of T.J. Watt to the Pittsburgh Steelers, emphasizing his impact on and off the field. He explains why Watt is indispensable, noting his consistent performance and leadership qualities.

  Notable Quote:

  Eric Mangini [38:49]: "When you look at T.J. Watt, he had a little over 30 sacks between the last two seasons. Every single game, you have to account for him."

• Coaching Philosophy and Player Development: Eric shares his experiences as a coach, discussing player development and the importance of aligning with the right organization. He underscores the challenges of transitioning between coaching roles and the impact of organizational support.

  Notable Quote:

  Eric Mangini [43:50]: "Human beings all develop at different rates, and human beings inserted into different organizations with different coordinators and different head coaches having those experiences that can have a dramatic impact on how quickly they develop."

• Nick Saban vs. Eric Mangini's Coaching Prospects: The conversation circles back to Nick Saban, with Eric advocating for his potential move to pro football, contrasting it with college football's current challenges. They discuss the evolving landscape of coaching roles in both arenas.

  Notable Quote:

  Eric Mangini [47:47]: "If I was advising Nick, I would advise him to go to pro football because that's where he hasn't. He hasn't achieved at the same level as he has in college football."

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7. Final Thoughts and Closing (50:17 - 53:36)

The episode wraps up with reflections on team chemistry, the impact of NIL on college sports, and the importance of maintaining team dynamics amidst financial incentives. Colin reiterates the significance of player consistency and coaching effectiveness in building successful teams.

Notable Quote:

Colin Cowherd [50:17]: "Chemistry matters in sports. You just all of a sudden I pay a receiver more than any of my current receivers and my current receivers won games for me the previous year and I'm paying a guy from Louisville. Not good for the room."

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, listeners are treated to a comprehensive discussion on various sports topics, with a particular focus on NFL coaching dynamics, player contracts, and team strategies. The inclusion of Eric Mangini provides expert insights into the complexities of professional football management, offering a nuanced perspective on the ever-evolving sports landscape.

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[J. Mac]

Actually, I'm real curious. What's that Providence Airport like you need an airport scale on like a zero to ten or they a seven.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, it's great. Great. Oh, they need more food, but it's great.

[J. Mac]

They need more. Can't be great if there's no food. Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

The whole taking off and landing thing is good though, for sure. So. Okay, okay, here we go. Cooper flag. He what a summer league debut. The highs, the lows, the fight. I'm here for all of it. It lasted two games. I'll get to that in a second. The summer league is a little, you know, it's fun for fans. And I think the NBA has done a great job with Vegas. I like the highlights. It's fun. I like watching it. I don't think you can take a lot out of it, but there's two things I've taken out of it. Number one, Yang Hansen, who was called a reach when the Blazers drafted in middle of the first round. Yeah, that, that, that's not a reach. That kid, man. That is Jokic handles IQ. They're not a lot of 7 foot 120 year olds that elevate others. They're just trying to figure out themselves. That kid is I Mean feel, touch. It's a little Yokich Shen Goon from Houston. Like I'm sorry, that kid's got something. And again, NBA physicality is different. You're playing against a lot of rotational guys in summer league or guys that don't make the league, whatever. That guy is something else. And he showed on draft night. He has a sense of humor. What are some of your interests and what do you think you'd be doing if you weren't playing basketball? Sometimes I sleep. All time sleep and I like play PS5 and I like eat. Yeah, that, that. There are some things you know that are overvalued but touch and feel and the elevation of other players around you, you could see that from LeBron James in high school. You could see that very early as Jokic was trying to refine his game as a second round pick. This kid's got some real, some real finesse touch. How does he deal with the physicality of the NBA? That was shockingly impressive. That kid can. There is a feel that you cannot teach and that kid has it. And that's exciting. The second thing is Cooper flag did not need more than two games. So I've been on. This is one of my theories that because you get such young players in the NBA, like in the NFL, you get guys that are 23 years old, they're men, they're developed. Jared versus a man, he walks into the league. Jalen Carter's a man. I majored in baseball. You get drafted, you go to the minors. By the time you're in the bigs, you're a man. Same with the academies, the MLS. But in the NBA you're dealing with 17, 18, 19, 20 year old kids. So I've always had this theory. I would put every rookie, every rookie on a minutes restriction and a game restriction. Everyone. Because in college football you go from 14 games to 17, they're 23 years old, let them play. But college basketball is 35, 36 games. Much slower pace, much less physical. You've got a shot clock. Okay. The NBA is the bullet train. Even at Duke, how often does he go up against an NBA player? So NBA is faster, more physicality. 37 games of college to 82 games of bullet train Basketball, I would limit rookies. Even like a Cooper flag. You're going to play 65 games. You're not doing back to backs. I'm going to, I'm going to take, I want the home fans to see a lot. I'll reward the home fans. I'm going to give you some night games off, some road games. Excuse me, some road games off. So I don't. I would be minute restriction for all rookies because I think the Jump from college basketball, 18, 19 years old, to the severity and intensity of the NBA is too big a leap to do 82 games. Physical pace of play wouldn't do it. College football is different. You're older, your body is more refined. You're more of. You're more of a grown man and you're going from 14 games to 17 with a buy in between. I'm good with that. So anyway, that's my. Take the kid in Portland. Wow, that's impressive. Okay, so, you know, it is, as they call it, the silly season. So people like me in this industry, you could be a columnist. You're kind of trying to fill space. So one of the things I heard over the last week is Nick Saban is going back into college football. So I do not buy it. Although Lane Keffin, who knows Nick Saban. Well said. He does. First of all, I have no knowledge that he's coming back. I don't think anybody does that. I just. He's so sharp still. I almost feel like it's a waste that he's not. No disrespect to the media and what you guys do, but his ability to coach players and change lives in that and he's so good at it. I just think he'll be back, whether that's NFL or college. Okay, so I don't buy it, first of all. And I don't know what he makes. He's probably making 10 million bucks a year to work 25 days. He could play a lot of golf. He can be on. He doesn't have boosters. He's not dealing with the ncaa. And I don't think he's going to go back to begging high school football players to come to a college campus. I don't think Kalyn DeBoer is going to get fired. The bottom line now with nil schools don't have the money to buy out coaches. Lincoln Riley's not going anywhere. Calyn DeBoer is not going anywhere. You're paying 25 million. 20 million. 15 million for players. You can't do those buyouts anymore. The other thing is. So there's not going to be that many openings. And. And Nick Saban's not going to go back to Michigan State. If he's going to an opening, he's going to a top five program. I think college football right now is a 24, 7 turnstile of recruiting. I think it's daunting. I think it's a young man's game. And I mean, honestly, there's a reason Jerry Seinfeld's not going to do another sitcom. Why? 17 years, six national titles at Alabama. The only thing you can do is hurt your legacy. And I was never a big believer in legacy. But when it's as good as Nick Saban's, don't screw with it. It's Seinfeld doing another sitcom. Don't screw with it. And my thing is being a TV analyst is not as rewarding. And there are times I think he gets frustrated. I mean, every time I watch him on Saturdays on television, I want more of him and less of everything else. I could just watch Nick Saban talking college football for an hour. I think he's that good. But. And I think maybe he gets frustrated with that. He wants more time to expound upon his incredible knowledge. But when he left college football, he felt still pretty young and dynamic. And I think he comes that way across on television. I don't think he goes back now. I don't think it would be a Mack Brown feel where you could see the age very quickly. But you got to remember this. Now with the nil, there's about six schools that, that, that. I mean, that. That feel like it's different. Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia. Even if a coach was struggling at one of those schools, how are you going to buy them out? So you'd have to pay for Nick at 15 million a year and buy out your coach. Have you looked at the buyout for Caleb DeBoer and Lincoln Riley? You can't do it anymore. The boosters are paying too much money for nil. So it used to be when you weren't paying the players anything, you'd get two or three boosters, pay 30 million bucks and get rid of the coach. You're not doing that anymore. So you're going to see. I mean, in my opinion, you're going to see fewer coaches getting fired, more players getting paid big money. And I. I don't buy. I don't buy Nick Saban. I think there are a handful of legacies that are too great to tamper with Jerry Seinfeld and sitcoms. Don't mess with it. Nick Saban coaching college football. Yeah, don't mess with it. To me. And he's also. He's very good on television. So, you know, what's the point? All right, J. Mac gonna be watching the All Star Game tonight on Fox.

[J. Mac]

Yeah. Very excited. Should be a good one. You know, there's not a lot happening right now in the summer. Not a lot other than watching soccer, which I know you're into, by the way. I'm sure when you were on your break you watched USA Mexico.

[Colin Cowherd]

I did.

[J. Mac]

Listen man, you take a one nothing lead and then you just sit back and I did not love that from Pochettino. But there's a lot of more, lot more soccer ahead, shall we say in the yes, absolutely.

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If they have a batting slump, they're not going to blame the hitting coach, they're going to blame themselves. Politics is all about pointing fingers at others because you don't want to lose a primary or a midterm. And so you never want to admit fault. Even if you lose an election, it was rigged. All it's all posturing and projecting. Politics is the worst. It's all blaming others. It's never acknowledging. And sports is the opposite. It's all like owning your crap. Our roster has to get better. I have to get better. My teammates have to get better. Our game plan has to get better. But the thing that baseball has done recently, they've looked in the mirror. Rob Manfred looked in the mirror and said, we're too precious. We have to be honest about this. Look at the Savannah Bananas. You got to be entertaining. And putting a phenom in from Milwaukee who's a 6, 7 kid who throws 100 miles an hour and using the ABS system. Let's just get it right. Let's be entertaining. Don't worry about purists. You can open up a million French restaurants. Most people don't like them and most people can't afford them. And I tell people this all the time about California food. It's got the best food truck food in the world. You can go get a chicken or a fish taco in Los Angeles. It's unbelievable. You can put down 20 bucks, get a couple. And I don't care that it's out of a truck. I don't care that it's outside. It tastes great. You can go to your five star French restaurant. Don't get too precious. Baseball's at its best when it's highly entertaining. And I want to watch tonight because of that 23 year old kid, J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[J. Mac]

This is the Herd line news. Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles this hour. Colin. They are coming off a rousing Super Bowl. Just, just absolute dismemberment of the Chiefs. And Nick Sirianni, the head coach, doesn't want to use the word repeat. Instead, he wants to focus on sustained success, adding resting on your laurels and resting on your past accomplishments. Error. All right, Nick. I didn't know he was dropping wisdom bombs and it was all of a sudden a philosopher. Nick Sirianni. But listen, he's made it to two Super Bowls. By the way, what was Nick Sirianni before he partnered up with Jalen Hurts? Just curious. Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, he has been a bit of a revelation. I think it does help that he's got a great owner and the best GM in the sport. Think that does help. And I also, you know, things have fallen in his lap. The Giants incompetence in the front office giving him Saquon Barkley, he's had some breaks. But Nick Sarianti, like a lot of times, you know how they talk about a comics comic or an actor's actor. There are coaches that, that from the outside don't play well, but in the room they work. And I think Nick Sirianni is a guy that in the room, players like him, they buy into his messaging.

[J. Mac]

Wait a minute. So after they got to this first super bowl, remember him and Hertz had some beef. There was some issues. He was like borderline hot seat. Colin. Before Hertz and Saquon Barkley bailed him out. Well, so like, let's not. I'm not ready to say he's like an elite. Is he an elite coach in the league?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think Eric Spoelstra is a better coach today than he was his second year in the NBA. I think everybody has. I think young people have to grow. It's. I know what I get with Nick Saban as a coach. I know now what I get with Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin's first job at the Raiders mess, usc. Still immature all of a sudden. He goes to Florida, grows up, looks in the mirror, and now Elaine Kiffin to me is a top five or six coach in college football. Wow. I mean, I think he's a great coach, but it's a process. So I look at Nick Sirianni and I trust him today more than I trusted him three years ago. Now, I do think he's. He is fairly beholden to his quarterback coordinators. Coordinators like Andy Reid and Sean McVay and, let's be honest, Kyle Shanahan run through coordinators. Irrelevant. I think Sirianni is a little more beholden to good coordinators. I don't think he's andy Reid or McVay as a coach, but that's okay. Everybody's beholden to somebody in life. Andy Reid's much better with Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback than he was in Philadelphia with his quarterback. So. But I. But I think there are. There are actors. Actors in comics. Comics where I may not think they're hysterical, but among comics, they're really respected. I think Nick works in the room. He doesn't always work at the podium. He doesn't always work on the sideline, but he works in the room.

[J. Mac]

I didn't see this take coming from him. So, I mean, maybe we could do it later, but later in the week or summer. But it sounds like you're bullish on Sirianni as a coach and you've seen growth and maturity and you like him a lot. Do you think off the top of your head he's a top five coach in the league?

[Colin Cowherd]

No.

[J. Mac]

Okay.

[Eric Mangini]

No.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think he's Sean Payton or Andy Reid. I don't think he's Kevin o' Connell schematically. But I do think he's grown. I do think he has a great GM and solid ownership, and I think he's figured out some things he doesn't do well. Much better at the podium. I think he's mostly gotten away from some of the juvenile, you know, kind of boorish silliness on the sidelines. I think he's grown up some. I'd say this with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield today is different than Baker Mayfield seven years ago. He's grown up. He's looked in the mirror. He's been a real adult. He's probably at some point either Emily or a therapist has said, bro, you got talent. You got to get past all the fanboy stuff, like grow up. And he has. And now. And now Baker's a top 1012 quarterback.

[J. Mac]

But it's interesting because Jalen hurts. You had as pretty clearly you think he's about ninth best quarterback. And from my perspective, there's zero chance that Nick Sirianni is considered a better coach than Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback.

[Colin Cowherd]

I agree.

[J. Mac]

Just for the point. I mean, Jalen Hurst has had a different offensive coordinator every year he's been in the NFL.

[Colin Cowherd]

NFL, that's right.

[J. Mac]

So I, I, I know you're a little lower on Hertz than I am, but I, I just find it hard to believe people would think Sirianni is an elite coach.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think they do. I, I, I, I don't think they do. I think it works in Philly. I, I don't think if he had a really bad gm, you know, and, and didn't have the stability and ownership, I don't think he would like, like with Jimmy Haslam in Cleveland or Jerry Jones in Dallas, I don't, I don't think Nick Ceriani would work. I think there'd be too much meddling and he couldn't do his job. He's able in Philadelphia to just coach. I mean, just, just in fact, when he first got there the first year and he was having to call plays and they didn't give it to Shane Steichen, he wasn't as good. The minute he gave it to Shane Steichen, they went in a heater. So I think he's just allowed to be a CEO as a coach and not necessarily into the schemes as much. And I think it works.

[J. Mac]

Yeah. All right, let's go to the 49ers. So yesterday it got a little ugly. Juwan Jennings came out, mind you, this is the middle of July, saying that I'm not going to report if I don't get a new extension at trade me, you know, I need money. And well, the latest of 24 hours later, he has decided he will attend training camp next week as he enters the final year of his contract. Jennings only making $7.5 million two years ago. He had very small usage then. Had a great Super Bowl. Remember he threw the touchdown pass and caught one and he was in the MVP discussion against the Chiefs. And then last year, IU Kurt Deebo in and out of the lineup. Jennings numbers went through the roof. He had like 111 targets. And this is an interesting one, Colin, because they can't afford to lose him right now. Deebo Samuel's gone.

[Colin Cowherd]

I got a question. You don't hear anything about contracts camp from the Rams. Why are the Niners so noisy every year? Kyle Shanahan's team is noisy. You don't get any of this from Sean McVay's team.

[J. Mac]

Let me ask you. It could Be specific to Jennings age. He's 28 years old. He got in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

23.

[J. Mac]

Iuk is a nightmare.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think you can keep saying that, but then why'd you give him a contract?

[J. Mac]

I would not have done it. I would.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why are the Niners so noisy?

[J. Mac]

This is a good point. And listen, maybe it's because Brock Purdy just got paid and Jennings is saying, Damn, I'm 28. Garrett Wilson's making all this. I better get my big contract now before I miss out on my window like, he's out. He's barely made any money in the pros.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Rams are literally. Jared Goff was going to Super Bowls. He was invisible.

[J. Mac]

Well, they were noisy with Cooper cup this offseason before.

[Colin Cowherd]

He was noisy, and then Cooper cup was showing the door. It was over. But I mean, to me, the Niners have become a very noisy franchise. I mean, if you just take the wide receiver position. Ayuk Debo Jennings, just that unit, it's just too much noise for me. That's why I have him finishing third behind the Rams and the Seahawks.

[J. Mac]

And do you have the 49ers in the playoffs?

[Colin Cowherd]

Go either way. Depends on the camp and who stays healthy.

[J. Mac]

Oh, my God. Let's make that a meal wager. That's a. I could use a nice steak dinner. Final story. Colin is Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams, obviously, big expectations for your Bears. Ben Johnson has been trying to build a winning culture. And Roma Dunze, the budding talent at wide receiver, spoke to his coaches approach so far.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's been hard on us, man. He's been hard on us, you know, holding everybody accountable. You know, I don't know if he heard any of the stories about him at practice, but, you know, he's strict and he's detailed and I love it. You know, I think the team loves it because, you know, that's the sort of standard and accountability that we need to go far. So, you know, he's very dialed in with his offense and he's very, you know, detail orientated and he's very knowledgeable about, you know, offenses, defenses, and the game of football as a whole. He's an offensive coach. I'm good with it. I'm literally, that's, to me, the key to all this isn't any of that. It's just he's an offensive coach and they have to figure out if Caleb Williams can play and if the way to do that in this league is with an offensive coach. You can figure out pretty quickly if a guy can play.

[J. Mac]

So I know that expectations are a big thing. Obviously Jim Harbaugh goes to the Chargers that make the playoffs. What's a reasonable expectation for the Bears if they finish last place in the division but they're nine and eight, is that a win?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I think they have to battle for a playoff spot until the final weekend or two. I think they have to be a viable playoff ish team.

[J. Mac]

That's your floor for a rookie head coach.

[Colin Cowherd]

This roster's way too good to be finishing in fourth place.

[J. Mac]

Well, again, that's the toughest division in football. No.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, they've got more high end players than Green Bay. Who's Green Bay's second best player? Josh Jacobs won. Who's their second best player?

[J. Mac]

Okay, well, fine. Green Bay quarterback. Jordan Love or Bikaleb? Jordan. Green Bay coach or Ben Johnson or Matt LaFleur? LaFleur. Come on. I don't see how they're better than Green Bay. And we know that the Lions.

[Colin Cowherd]

If you stacked up the 10 best players, Packers, Bears, Bears have seven.

[J. Mac]

I might need to see your. You need to show your work on that on that math assignment. Colin, are you sure the Bears roster is that good?

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't. I'm not saying that good. I think it's better than Green Bay's top. It's got more. To win a Super bowl, you generally have to have like seven elite players, mostly in their prime. Mostly they got to be close to their prime just into it, maybe just out of it or just left it. But if you go look at most super bowl champs like the Eagles last year had like nine elite players. Seven were absolutely in their prime. Their two corners were great, but they were both rookies. But they had about six. They had a larger number than usual. Yeah. And Kansas City a couple of years ago had a lower number than usual, but they had a couple of good corners. Chris Jones, Mahomes, Kelsey, Joe Tuney. But bottom line is you generally have to have seven elite players close to their prime to win a Super Bowl. Core. Green Bay's.

[J. Mac]

Yeah. Again, you know, it's the offseason. I need to check the updated depth charts. I'm pretty sure Green Bay had seven first round picks on the starting defense last year. Seven or eight, something like that. They've got guys just. For whatever reason last year the injuries mounted at receiver. That's an interesting one. So packers or Bears, huh? We agree. Vikings are better than both, right?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, we don't know if J.J. mcCarthy can play, so. No, I know Caleb can play. I watched him. He just has now he has a functional coaching staff. I don't know.

[J. Mac]

J.J. mcCarthy can play a like a national championship. Two years.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's a lot. Oh my God. Tim Tebow did. Who cares? That doesn't mean anything to me.

[J. Mac]

What does Caleb want?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I watched him play last year. He had 20 touchdowns, 20 touchdowns and six turnovers. And by the end of the year, a parking attendant was coaching the team. I mean, seriously, J. Mac with a new well, that's the news.

[J. Mac]

And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.

[Colin Cowherd]

So a Rod and I agree on this. I would have Miz playing tonight. I have no problem with Juan Soto playing. Is that there's an All Star game tonight. It's an all Star game. It's not deciding anything. It's a celebration. You know, and I, I thought a Rod using Magic and Bird as. As kind of metaphorically or is an example for why he would have Juan Soto of the Mets playing in the All Star game. I love the kid from Milwaukee being there. As you as we started this conversation, he's only had five stars. Fine. But if this is a game of stars and entertainment and you have partners like Fox, Juan Soto needs to be in Atlanta because there's no one I'd rather have on the set. And you can't tell me there's 60 players or 60 stories more compelling than Juan Soto, who's had a phenomenal June. He was player of the month back in the day. I watched Larry Bird and Magic. I could care less if I had a bad first half or an average. I want to see Bird and Magic in the All Star Game every year, year in and year out. Yeah. And I also think baseball is like golf. It's very unique, is that players do have prolonged slumps because baseball and golf, you have a lot of time off in between shots and at bats. And it can be a very mental sport. But I can't wait to watch this kid pitch tonight. I think it's going to be great. Six, seven throws, absolute gas, 99 mile an hour average pitch. And I know he's only made five appearances, but Paul schemes for Pittsburgh a few years. Didn't he make the All Star game with only 10 or 11 appear? Everybody wanted to watch Paul Skeens in an All Star Game, so it doesn't bother me at all. All right. Eric Mangini is around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[J. Mac]

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[Colin Cowherd]

So I fashioned myself as somebody who, if I didn't do this for a living, I would, I would want to be a GM in the NFL. Now I you know, again, that self confidence has not always worked in my favor, but I love the architecture of building teams. My staff makes fun of me. I'm doing mock drafts all day and I've always made the argument that there's only about seven quarterbacks at any given time in the National Football League. Is I if I was a GM, I wouldn't take a phone call on about seven. There's also about six to eight offensive tackles. I just don't think the world produces six foot seven guys with good feet at 330 pounds. So there's probably six or seven quarterbacks I wouldn't even pick up the phone on. Maybe seven or eight offensive tackles I'm not picking up the phone on. And there's some pass rushers or defensive linemen. Jalen Carter, Jared Verse, Miles Garrett. There's Price, seven to 10 defensive lineman. Again, unique individual talents. I would not pick up the phone on, but I would pick up the phone if you called me about T.J. watt in Pittsburgh. And with that, Eric Mangini is now joining us live because I think he's in his 30s, and I do think when you start talking about a third contract for a violent position, I'm going to take a phone call. So a year ago, I suggested, guys, you're spending a lot of money on defense. I take calls on TJ Watt. I got a lot of pushback. My theory is quarterbacks, left tackles, and an occasional young defensive lineman. Jalen Carter, Jared Verse. I'm not taking phone calls. But you hit 30, I'll take it. What do you make of that theory? So I would have taken T.J. watt calls about a year ago.

[Eric Mangini]

I'm not sure if I would take the TJ Watt calls or not. Especially if I'm Pittsburgh and I'm Pittsburgh this season. It's not like they're loaded up offensively and that's going to be able to carry the day. When you look at T.J. watt, he had, he said, a little over 30 sacks between the last two seasons. Every single game, you have to account for him. Every single game, he's the guy that, offensively, you go into the room and say, look, this. This player can ruin the game for us. And that has a very powerful effect on the rest of your defense. And if you want to move him around, you can. Everybody's trying to figure out where he is. It makes the players around him better. I. It seems like he's. He's a. A good locker room guy and a good guy overall. And this impasse, to me, is a little bit of a function of his last contract. Colin. I think he gave in on the last contract, and that's probably why he's so dug in at this point on the new contract.

[Colin Cowherd]

Did you ever. Did you ever have a player that you would not take a phone call on that he was so valuable on the field and in the room you wouldn't take a call on?

[Eric Mangini]

Yeah, well, Darrell Revis, when, you know, once we saw his trajectory and the impact that he could have, he was, you know, obviously a guy that we were. Didn't matter what you offered us. We were going to make sure that he was a jet for. For the long term. Now, he ended up moving on after I was gone, but I think he changed a little bit as a player as well and as a locker room presence.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's interesting with TJ Watt because he is the soul of the franchise. What you're saying is the offense isn't good enough to give up on him. And I mean, by the way, that's the advantage of having Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Matt Stafford, you can move off a Cooper cup or. You know what I mean? So to you it sounds like what you're saying basically is who's your quarterback? Then I can talk about moving off star players.

[Eric Mangini]

Yeah. When you've got a fairly average offense right now and then they're hoping it's going to be better than last season, but who knows what Aaron Rodgers is going to produce, then you're going to have to win on defense. And when you're in a division where you've got Lamar and you've got Joe Burrow and you've got them twice a year and their problems, it's hard to make the argument to the locker room of, hey, we're going to move on from the guy who's given us 30 sacks over the last two years. We're going to move on from the guy who's. Who's every offense has to deal with because I don't think they're good enough in other areas to really have that discussion at this point.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Brett Veets said recently, the GM of the Chiefs is that I don't worry about Travis Kelsey when the red light goes on, he'll be good. He may not have it every week. He'll be good. I tend to believe that Travis Kelsey has achieved so much in his career and has so much respect in the room. That is true. And do you believe that, that there are certain players that it's understood, like, listen, this guy's old, maybe Aaron Donald, although he didn't dip much. But. But have you found in your career that with the Patriots, maybe there are guys that you understand they're beat up, but they'll be great. The seven to 12 times a year we need him to be great. Yeah.

[Eric Mangini]

And his numbers weren't terrible. When you look at his numbers compared to the rest of the tight end group, he still had a pretty impressive season. It just wasn't Travis Kelsey impressive. So there's that. And then when you look at his offseason, Colin, that's where I struggled with him going into last year. He had the relationship, he had the new TV show, he had the game show, he had the podcast. He was coming off back to back, shortened off season with that, with the super bowl appearances. That's. That's a lot of stuff going on for a guy that, that, that is that late in his career. And one of the things I really am excited about going into this season is he hasn't done any of that this, this off season. It looks like he's taken some time to decompress, to reload. This may be his last season. There's an appreciation of that. I would imagine you're going to get a different version of Travis Kelce even at the start of this season than we saw throughout all of last year.

[Colin Cowherd]

So NFL scouts, executives and coaches were pulled about quarterbacks. And I said, this is about as accurate a list as I can ever remember seeing in the last four or five years. So this is the people that draft them, scout them, coach him and the list. You know, some people were bothered by, you know, Jalen Hurts at nine, but I. Of the eight guys ahead of him, I don't think he's necessarily as good in the pocket. I think iq, leadership, character, toughness, strength, he's through the roof. Is there anybody on this list that you take exception with?

[Eric Mangini]

Well, it's interesting. Two, three and four. To me, Colin could be a toss up. And we had this discussion on first things first, where my point was, if you took Patrick Mahomes out of the equation and you could have all the GMs draft any of those three guys, whether it's Alan Burrow or Jackson, a third with Juan Allen, a third Burrow and a third Jackson, depending on what your offensive approach was. And, you know, guys feel differently about each guy. But. But to me, that group of three, it's just what you like and how you want to run your team with Jalen Hurts being where he is. I understand that to some degree, because when you look at after he got paid there, there was a little bit of trying to get him more on the marquee. So it was 30 attempts a game, and it wasn't very good. He had 20 turnovers. They had that long, you know, that terrible stretch on the end, that bad playoff game. And then you fast forward into this past season. If you look at those first four games, Colin, they're two and two, and he's throwing the ball 30 times a game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Eric Mangini]

When they came back in, it's a different. It's a totally different equation. Then they start winning. He's like a. He's like a 20 to 25 attempt a game guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Eric Mangini]

Good defense, good running game. He'll make good decisions, but if a little similar to Dak, if you try to make it all about them, it's not going to be what you want. And that's why he's at nine.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, they had a week five buy and they had a philosophical change, much like Brady had first year in tampa. Like week 14. He and Bruce Arians, he's like, we're going to run my offense now, coach. We're seven and five.

[Eric Mangini]

We're going to do it my way.

[Colin Cowherd]

And they didn't lose the rest of the way. So they had a philosophical bye week with Kellen Clemens and his passing went down to 24 times a game and they went 12 and one. So, I mean, this is not a criticism. There are volume scores in the NBA and then there are guys that are just better off being efficient players. Luke is going to take a lot of shots. There's not a lot of Luke is out there. So I'm kind of with it. And by the way, Baker Mayfield at 10 does not bother me. Two years ago it did, but I have him about 11:12. But I do think that something has happened in the NFL, coach, and I've seen this with Geno Smith, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. There are so many good young offensive coaches that guys can miss on their first franchise. Twenty years ago, if you missed on your first franchise, you were in the garbage bin. It was over. As a quarterback, that's not the case anymore. I think Baker now is a top 1012 quarterback. What say you?

[Eric Mangini]

Yeah, I absolutely agree. And we, we forget we have such a high expectation of quarterbacks coming out of college that they're going to be great right now. But the reality is the human beings all develop at different rates, and human beings inserted into different organizations with different coordinators and different head coaches having those experiences that can have a dramatic impact on how quickly they develop as well. But as you give some of these guys some time to get it figured out and then they hit with the right system, they'll suddenly they look like the guy that everybody assumed they could be. So, so it's a, it's an impatient league, especially at quarterback. And hopefully people are learning the lessons of maybe you give these guys a couple of extra shots down the road and then they hit big. It's, it's, it's a little bit like the new lottery. And that's what the jets are hoping for with Justin Fields.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, if you extrapolate Justin Fields numbers last year over the course of a season, he would be like a border. You know, he was actually 4 and 2 passer rating was in the mid-90s. It's like, you know what I think your point is? I have enough kids. Everybody grows at a different pace, especially boys. They mature a little later. And I think a lot of maturity by Baker Mayfield as he aged, he kind of grew up and looked in the mirror. Okay, I gotta throw this at you. Years ago, somebody called me and said, what do you think of it was a college. And they said, what do you think about Mangini as a coach? And I said, well, I think he would work because he develops players. And I think he's not a barker, he's a developer. So I don't think I even told you this as one of our steak dinners. I don't know if I ever told you this. So somebody called and said, what do you think about Mangini? I. I said I would put him on a list. I think he could work at college. I don't think necessarily all pro coaches work in college. They don't want donors. They don't want to recruit. A lot of nonsense in college. But I heard a story about Nick Saban coming back, and my take was I think now the NFL is better for older coaches than college coaches. Or maybe I'm wrong. The Nil helps Belichick in college. If you were Nick Saban's advisor because he's good enough to coach pro or college still, would you recommend pro or college? All things in transfer portal, crazy owners in the NFL nil, what would you recommend?

[Eric Mangini]

Well, the fact that Bill Belichick is coaching college football to me is beyond believable. He always used to talk about he. Now he'd never ever coach college football because there's too many bake sales and, and pep rallies. But you know, that, that landscape as. It's just changed dramatically and it's. It's gravitated towards pro football. For me, if I was advising Nick, I would advise him to go to pro football because that's where he hasn't. He hasn't achieved at the same level as he has in college football. And I think he can. I think he. I think Nick in the right organization would. Would be fantastic. And I. I don't think a lot of people realize that the Miami failed Drew Brees on his physical. You know, Drew Brees would have been a Miami Dolphin with Nick Saban. That would have been really interesting to see how good that team could have been. But I, I like the idea of Nick going to pro football and, and seeing what type of impact he can have on the game because a Lot of the players that are coming into pro football now with nil money that there's, it's not the same distinction of guys that there used to be.

[Colin Cowherd]

Eric Mangini, undisclosed location. I was not, I was not very far away from you are right now. And I got to tell you, that's good living out there where you're at right now.

[Eric Mangini]

It is, it's a beautiful day and I'm might head out and get a little sun. Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, Eric Mangino right there, Fox Sports. Good seeing you coach, as always. Yeah, I, I, I, I don't think if I was Nick Saban, it's, it's just, listen it, there's no perfect job if you're in the NFL because the owners are now all billionaires and they've got their kids. There's about seven great owners in the NFL and I'm not joking. And there's about seven great jobs in college. I mean, what's a great job in college? Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame with nil is doing well. Texas, Phil Knight, Oregon's pretty good job.

[J. Mac]

Hey, you forgot about Texas Tech, Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh yeah, they're buying a bunch of play. Well, that's the thing.

[J. Mac]

We did a piece on it last week while you were, you know, jet setting around the globe. Texas Tech has a billionaire who's just basically got a blank check.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, but then I'm, I'm, I'm beholden to one booster like no thanks.

[J. Mac]

Well I'm, I mean, you know, Clemson's not even take wasn't even doing nil money for the longest time. Now you got some billionaire who's just like, yeah, let's go get the best left tackle. Let's overpay him. I, I don't know. Texas Tech has a squad right now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, you got to be careful about nil. USC's done a lot of transfers, LSU's and a lot of transfers. How's it worked out? Colorado's done a lot of transfers.

[J. Mac]

Everybody's managing their money well. They're just, they're just handing it out, you know, like that's, that can be risky.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I, I, I am, I'm all for players getting paid, but I think you should bring in maybe six guys a year. Six or seven a year. But some of these programs are beginning at 12, 15 a year. Chemistry matters in sports. Yeah. You just all of a sudden I, I pay a receiver more than any of my current receivers and my current receivers won games for me the previous year and I'm paying a guy from Louisville. Not good for the room. Okay, have you heard about this? Last year, Degree changed the formula for their Cool Rush deodorant, and their fans rebelled and wanted the old scent back. And Degree listened. That doesn't happen often, they admitted. They effed up and they're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. There's a reason it's the number one men's antiperspirant. And it's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under four bucks. So try and see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart or Target to try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself.

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