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Colin Cowherd
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Channing Fry
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Thursday. If you did not watch the NBA last night, you out, you went out to some bougie restaurant or you're out playing softball. I feel bad for you. That was one on one. Now the Western Conference finals doesn't have the energy to light up a dim light bulb, but the Eastern Conference finals are insane. And I gotta say, I'll defend. I did it earlier. I'm gonna defend, you know the choke sign by Tyrese Halliburton. I don't think you can ask world class athletes to train for these moments. They're getting heckled for three hours by the New York Knick fans. We can show it again and then ask them to be nuanced and subtle after they hit shots like, guys, we gotta be fair in the media. These athletes are amaz. No crowd is in your face like the New York crowd. This doesn't bother me at all. The funny part is he thought he won the game. Here's Rick Carlile as coach after players.
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Channing Fry
Can do what they want, you know, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's an emotional thing. It's, it's not a big deal. At this time of year you, you want to go into the most hostile, the most difficult environments and, and, and test your mettle. Tyres is earned the right to do whatever he wants.
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Colin Cowherd
The other thing is one of my favorite things about going to NBA games. I try to get good seats. The players will talk to you. The players will communicate with you. I mean, if you're in New York, if you're doing a little trash talk and you know the players hear it. Hockey, you've got the glass. NFL, you're miles away. Baseball, maybe in the on deck circle you can kind of communicate in basketball. So occasionally players are going to let you know they heard you and they're going to throw it right back at you. So it didn't bother me at all. And I've talked about the WNBA the last couple of days I've said, listen, basketball is performative of all the sports in the world. The NFL is corporate. Baseball is individualistic. Basketball's art. No two great players shoot the same way. They all have different games. Your game is your game, and there's real artistry to it. You are improvisers and creators and, you know, I expect my artists to have a little flair in the NFL. That would be weird looking in baseball. It would feel inappropriate in basketball. I'm good with it. And with that, Channing Fry, who started his career in New York for the Knicks, is now joining us live. A man 13 years in the NBA, that was. I don't even. I just crazy. So how do you view. Like I said, I think basketball players are artists. Like I've always said, you're all got your quirky mannerisms and idiosyncratic styles. What do you make of Halliburton in the choke?
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Channing Fry
First of all, Tyrese is one of the nicest human beings ever. I think when. I think when he got voted most overrated person, I think that was a problem. There was a time when the Pacers were playing, the Cavs in the crowd started chanting overrated. And Donovan Mitchell was telling them, be quiet. Like the players, stop it. And he went off. I text Tyrese and I said, hey, you are garbage the first three quarters. And then all of a sudden you go into the phone booth and come out like Superman. It's unbelievable the plays that he does. I wouldn't have never had the wherewithal. You know, most players in that situation would take the two because they're like, oh, I just want to, you know, we'll tie the game up. He had a wide open layup, turned his back, looked at the other clock, found the three point line sort of, and then shot a three over Mitchell Robinson, who's a seven foot dude who has the longest arms. And look at this. Like, this is the layup right here. And he goes, nope. And shot that for game. It's like, you cannot make this up. I played with a lot of great players. I don't know four of the greatest players that I played with that would have shot that shot. But like the belief that he has in himself and his team, that they have, I thought the Pacers, in that fourth quarter, they dismantled the Knicks by being a better team where the Knicks had a better player in Brunson. I think OG was the only one who shot a shot in the last five minutes of that fourth quarter into overtime where the Pacers Everyone had to play Obie Toppin. Niecemith went, absolutely. Who was that? Was that Neesmith Curry? Like? It was, but it was so good. So good.
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Colin Cowherd
Channing, you know who he does remind me of? I said this an hour ago. His self awareness, his ability to score but elevate others. He reminds me of a guy you played with, Steve Nash. Nash won an MVP averaging 15 a game. Came back the next year, won another MVP, averaging 18. Everybody's like, whoa, whoa, wait, you can't win an MVP. No, no, no, no. Yes, you can. Everybody played their best ball but Nash, who's one of the smartest guys I've ever met. I mean, like in or out of sports, Nash had the self awareness. Nash had this. I know he could drive people crazy. He had the self awareness to know the tempo, the score, who was weak, who was infouche. It was like a good quarterback. He knew your soft spot and he would attack it. And so I, to me, Halle's got a little Nash in him.
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Channing Fry
I think he has a lot. I think he has a lot. I think he is the only star in our league that can be a star and score 10 points a game. Like, he can have 10 points and he can dominate the whole game. I think he's the only one like that. He is a true past first point guard. And if he wasn't that way, the Pacers would not be who they are. Like, if the Pacers had Brunson, I don't think they would be the Pacers. The fact that every one of their starters scored in that fourth quarter in overtime, the fact that everyone, when they go on a run, everyone knows where the ball's going. They. They believe in their culture. The fact that they stood pat, really didn't bring anyone in last year or this year and just said, hey, we went to the Eastern conference finals. Let's run this back. Their belief in each other is crazy. And it's because Halliburton is never playing with his ego. He's playing with the fire to win games. So, like there are games where sometimes he's going to have two points. Now, is that a bad game for him? For sure. But they can still win with him scoring two points because he's doing this all game. He's not, he's not pressuring. But when it's time to win, they all look to him to make a play. And I think we no one brought this up, but like, even when they beat the Bucks, you know, there's no way Tyrese Halliburton. I text, I Told him this on the phone. I said that old week old left to right crossover shouldn't have got past nobody. And you go past Giannis Antetokounmpo and lay that ball up in his face for game. Giannis is a top five defender in the league. And how does you with no muscles, a weird looking jump shot get by him and do this? He goes, I don't know man, I just be, I just got to do what I got to do. And so, you know, for me I think this is going to be a great series. Obviously the game one was nuts. It's going to come down to the Knicks defense and can the Pacers continually play that pace? Well, look at that pace is play pace in this series. I'm curious to see the changes the Knicks make the next game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I said last night Brunson has 43 but he had seven turnovers and he got in early foul trouble. And I said it's almost like being a typist that types 50 words a minute. And Halliburton made Brunson type 70 words a minute. And he, he was, I felt like even though he got the points, I don't think it's one of the great Jalen Brunson games because, because he had more turnovers last night than he had all year. And I, and I really thought the story of the game is that it was Indy 500 and that's not the Knick style. And I, Indy got them to play exactly like they wanted. And Brunson kind of said okay, I'll do this. Maybe it's vanity, ego, I get it. But like I'm like, okay, if you're going to play that way then you have to win that game in regulation in New York. You can't lose that game.
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Channing Fry
Yeah, I think one thing we're not taking into account is watch that fourth quarter they started double team Brunson aggressively. Remember he got trapped in the backcourt and he just threw the ball. If Siakam was in the right place, that would have been a turnover. They double teamed him but he fell down, he got a foul. When he gets double teamed he is very uncomfortable in these situations. And look how many players they put like that. That's a simple double team. Look at this, another double team. So like to me, their offense stalled out in that fourth quarter and here's the real coming to Jesus moment. They are hunting, hunting him and cat in screen and roles. Yeah, it is wild to watch you look at the clip every time niece Smith made a three, it Was, except for one at the end of the game with Josh Smith and Mitchell, which they should have switched, which is a stupid mistake. A Dude who has 17 points and they're running a specific play for him. Switch. Let Obi Toppins shoot a three. Anybody else but the dude who's hot. So, like, that was a mental error. But they are going at Cat. And I don't know if you saw the clip of OG yelling at Cat after, you know, he just laid on that screen. That's going to be a problem because now the three things the Pacers did that game is they found out Russell gets in foul trouble and turns the ball over when you aggressively double team him. 1, 2. Cat does not want to move his feet. End of game, he's exhausted. Three, if you go at Brunson, he stalls the offense out in that fourth quarter because they can't run a screen and roll with him anymore because he's uncomfortable getting double teamed. So if you notice those clips, he's going one on one in Neesmith and Nemhard and shepherd and Halliburton and Siakam, all those dudes are taking turns guarding him. So it's six on one and he's exhausted and no one else is touching the ball. They need to play him as Steph Curry in the fourth quarter instead of Brunson. So he's throw the ball to Cat, run some away screens, get him to run towards the ball. But is he comfortable doing that? And can the Knicks win, play in that game? We'll see. I'm very curious to see how it works.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's so Channing Fry joining us for our radio audience, one of my favorite people that covers this league and talks about it. So New York is fascinating. Jordan had some of his best games there. Kobe had some of his best games there. I mean, Halle Burton is having the time of his life. New York's a weird place that it inspires the great players, even though it's a home court advantage. You play, you started your career there. Take my audience to. I remember watching Big east games there, and I'm like, this is crazy. Tell me. Take my audience to playing as a Nick, as an opponent in Madison Square Garden. It feels different to me.
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Channing Fry
So, you know, the college experience is that when you're a really good player or a really good team, the opposing team boos you the whole time. When you go to the Garden, it's like being in the center of, like, you're a gladiator. You're winning the crowd over and that's the problem. That's the problem. Because if you start hooping, they. The oohs and ahs are like. It gets you even more adrenaline. And the Knicks fans have so much basketball knowledge that if you do something good, they'll be like, dang, that's a good shot, man. That's tough. Where other fans are like, boo and F you and you suck.
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Colin Cowherd
Right?
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Channing Fry
They're not saying that. So if you start doing well, it's a problem, because all of a sudden, you're feeding on their adrenaline. You're feeding on shutting them up. And as a Knicks player, you have to each game, win the fans back over. So it's not like you could just walk on the court and be loved. It's. You could walk on the court, miss your first four, and Tracy Morgan's like, stop shooting the ball, you big dummy. You're like, wait, I just had 40 last game. So to me, it is the greatest place to play basketball. And I promise, if anyone has an opportunity to go watch basketball or even, you know, hockey there. It is so historic, so beautiful, but yet it's not a regular arena. No, you are playing, like, at the park where they may talk crap to you, you can talk crap to them. But if you start cooking, look at. Think about with Trae Young. Trae Young pokes at them all the time, and they react to it because it's a. It's a movie, it's theater. It's. It encompasses, like, the New York attitude of who's going to give me the best show. They dim the lights on the. In the. In the stadium, so you just focus on the court. It's. It's an. It's. You know, I'm getting goosebumps talking about it. It is such a great opportunity to play there.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it starts with Rucker Park. It goes to Broadway. It goes to the Big east tournament. It goes to New York. New Yorkers are very well versed on great. And they appreciate it. Oh, yeah, listen, I always said about New York, I didn't love the traffic. I didn't love the weather. I loved the people. The people are.
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Channing Fry
Food is great, too.
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Colin Cowherd
Pizza or who. They love their. Okay, let's go. Let's go to Minnesota. Okc. Like. Like. Like, here's the thing with Ant, and I think this is a reality of the modern player. Like, there was never a time with Michael Jordan. I can remember the Utah finals. Mike shot like, 33 times, made seven. Mike went down swinging, like, sometimes with Tatum or sometimes with Ant. I'm like, Bro, 13 shots. What's going on? I think the modern player, they're all rich and it's a more collaborative world and sometimes like when the shots don't fall, like guys are like, okay, I'm not gonna. And I just, I grew up with Michael and it's just like, no, Michael didn't have that. He was gonna take the shots. Kobe was gonna take the shots. Could I argue with Ant that he's not forceful enough at times?
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Channing Fry
No, I think the rules are different. When Mike won the ball back in the 90s, the three seconds, he could go play one on one and if he missed, he missed. Now if you notice OKC's defense, they basically put their best on ball defender. So they're up in ants jock strap. They force him to drive into help. Look at this. Look how many people are technically guarding him. On that play alone he had four different people. Look. What does he see right there? So what does he say? Look, he's being double teamed, Triple teamed. Like, this is what I think people don't understand about okc. Double teamed right there. They are making him. They do such a good job of making players have early pickups and throw the ball. These lob passes while guys are just shooting, passing lanes. It's absolutely gorgeous to watch them play. I think Ant doesn't want to settle for threes because that's the only thing they're giving up. They're like, we'll give you threes. We've seen you go over 11. And for him, he doesn't have lanes until his others win a game and is going to have problems finding lanes to attack the rim. So he wants to play good basketball. OKC is forcing him to trust his teammates. Right. And this is the attitude that I've seen in the first game. There's one player on Minnesota that could beat us and we're not going to let you play basketball. Anybody else could try and beat us, but we believe in our others more than your others. And it worked. And so Ant, let's say he does shoot 30 times. How many of those are going to be near the rim? Not very many. Yeah, they're going to be 29 threes. He just, he just. It's like in today's game, if you don't have movement, if you're a great one on one guy, the way OKC plays defense, you're not, you're, you're not comfortable, you're not getting to your spot. Because even if one guy gets foul trouble. Oh, oh, Lou Dork gets in Foul trouble. Oh, here go Caruso. Here go Isaiah Jones. He go sga, he go. Look how many different people. And like even this play right here, the wherewithal for that team to state to fan out, right, not help and let Chet play that one on one is just they're one conscious mind. And one thing to notice for the next game or tonight. Watch how many guys, when big men are around, you know how guards usually go over the top. Watch how many times they swipe down and don't go for the block. They allow Hartenstein and Chet to be tall while they swipe the ball and make the guy don't have a straight line to go shoot. And I'll give you an example. It's like remember when JR or swiped at Andre Guadalupe so he didn't have a dunk during the 2016 finals and he had to go shoot that layup so he knew not to foul, but he just wanted Andre to, you know, kind of avoid him. And it gave LeBron an opportunity to get that block. They do this all game long. It is like such a mind meld to see their discipline on defense. I mean, OKC is my pick to win it all. I just don't see anybody that has a big man that can take advantage of them inside and then kick out with threes is really the only way to beat him. But you know, like, lord have mercy. Poor, poor Minnesota. There they get their others going to need to shoot the ball.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's end with this. Clippers are a well run organization. Lawrence Frank is a smart guy, but Sam Presti stole SGA from them. I remember when he was in Kentucky and came out, I didn't think he was the best Kentucky player. He's a combination of like 8% Kiki Vandaway, 9% Alex English. You know, he's a we a different player that initiates contact, contact. He doesn't have like a loophole move like James Harden. He just, he's just one of these guys that may not jump out. I mean, obviously he's a great player, but I mean, Sam Presti kind of stole him. Are you surprised by how dominant he has become? Did you see it seven years ago.
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Channing Fry
Man, when he was on the Clippers? I remember being in the back going, yo, that dude is good when he gets his opportunity. I thought he'd be a perennial all star, but what Shay does that is great. And people take this, don't take this into account. Watch how many times he puts two feet in the paint. So like his aggression is so Constant and continuous. Like every single one of these clips, he puts two feet in the paint and gets look at his aggression. So we're clipping saying, oh, he's foul baiting. Who goes to the hole more than him? I don't know very many people that constantly go to the hole as much as he does. So let's say he goes to the hole 100 times, he gets fouled 20. Where other people go the hole 20 times, they get fouled five. It's just the way their system is, the way that they have shooters, they spread the floor. But he's a willing passer and they have good shooters. So like, his job is to just get to the paint, Just get to the paint. And man, he just looks at the game. So specifically he works on a certain part. Does his shoulders get a little bigger so now he can bump better? Is his footwork better? Is this, you know, right to left better? Does he like to go left? Does he like to go right? He's looked at this every single year and dissected his game. And so, you know, you talk about Hoopers and guys who are psycho. He is psycho. And that's why he's.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's. He's a bit obsessed. I mean, I always said this about Brady. Brady was the best quarterback mechanically I've ever seen. And it allowed Brady to be the best cold weather snow thrower I've ever seen. Wasn't because he had the biggest arm. His mechanics were impervious to weather. His literally, his torque, his shoulders, his feet. I mean, Tom was obsessed. He practiced falling instead of getting sacked. And that's sj. You're watching an artist who has honed his craft. That's what he's done. Okay, now, Channing Frye, you're so good at this. My man. You gave us 20 minutes.
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Channing Fry
Thank you. I appreciate it, man.
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Colin Cowherd
And you didn't have to. We're going to have you back soon, buddy.
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Channing Fry
Anytime you want, man. I appreciate it. You have a good day.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Channing Fry. Great stuff. Yeah, I mean, when you watch sga, that's a pro. You could be a landscaper, you could be a quarterback, you could be an attorney. That is a pro. That is a guy has worked meticulously on his game. And Channing Fry really breaks it down. Well, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Summer is almost here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days. Delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan. Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space, the IX is completely changing the game. With an all electric suv, the greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified if you own a home, here's an interesting fact for you. Today, American homeowners are sitting on a record amount of home and equity. That's the part of your home you own outright. The value you can tap to fund other life goals. In fact, the average Rocket Mortgage homeowner has about $170,000 in untapped equity available now. Rocket Mortgage can help you understand what home equity is and how to use it wisely for what matters to you. They've made it easier than ever to turn your home equity into cash with Rocket Mortgage. So now the home you work so hard for can work hard for you in plenty of different ways. Home equity can help you fund a home renovation, pay for your kids college tuition, or pay off and consolidate high interest debt from credit cards. To learn more, call 804Rocket or visit Rocket.com today. Rocket Mortgage LLC licensed in 50 states. Nmlsconsumeraccess.org 3030 $178,000 average equity is based on internal Rocket mortgage servicing data. Hey everybody. You've heard me talk about Green River Whiskey, the official Whiskey of the Herd podcast. And if you know anything about me, I love a good metaphor. So the team at Green river challenged me to come up with a perfect metaphor to describe their incredible bourbon and rye whiskeys. And with the playoffs upon us, the answer is clear. Green River Whiskey is like a big playoff win by your favorite team, always sure to raise your spirits. So pair the thrills of this playoff season with Green River Whiskey. And with four core products in their starting lineup, there's something to suit any taste. To find Green river near you, head on over to greenriverwhisky.com here's the green River Whiskey. Raise your spirits. A product of Green River Distilling Company Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume varies by product. Greenriverwhiskey.com, please drink responsibly. By the way, Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney II, who said on April 1 the Steelers will not wait forever for Aaron Rodgers, delivered a similar line on his way out of Wednesday's owner meetings. He said, we're going to wait a little while longer. I'll say the same thing. And there are people who are relatively close to Aaron Rodgers who think he will be a Steeler. He's got some stuff going on in his personal life. A very dear friend apparently has cancer, so Aaron's working on some personal stuff. I kind of see the Steelers as a third place team. Regardless, I think, I think Cleveland is going all in next year to get Arch Manning. They'll finish fourth. I think the Ravens are clearly the best team. Cleveland's clearly the worst. I'll go with Joe Burrow over the quarterback situation, but that's the latest on Aaron Rodgers. J. Mack with the news no, no.
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Channing Fry
No, turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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C
All right, Colin, we've got more Indiana Pacers Knicks fallout. This one's interesting. So last night, as the Pacers deliver one of the most amazing comebacks in playoff history, Caitlin Clark, Indiana Fever point guard and huge fan of the Pacers, tweeted out Pacers are the greatest comeback team I've ever seen. Colin. This is the third time in the playoffs they've had an amazing comeback in the final minute. Here's a stat our team came up with. NBA teams were zero wins, 970 losses went down by 14 or more in the final 250 of regulation in the playoffs over the last 27 years, zero wins. The Pacers just did something just mind blowing. And of course, Tyrese Halliburton's dad, who's been banned from arenas because of the incident with Giannis. You remember.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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C
He was seen at a bar doing the choke sign. And now we've got Charles Barkley, your buddy. Here's Halliburton's dad doing the choke sign. This guy's a character. Barkley's now campaigning to get him back in the arena. I, I, I, I, I'm not rocking with Charles on that one, but I can't get enough of this. Even as a Knicks fan, I think it's just dramatic watching.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, I think, I think Indiana, because of their pace of play, is built to come from behind. I think the warriors, when they had KD Stephen Clay 15 points, was not a thing they could catch up in a big third quarter. So I just think certain teams are built to come from behind. We talk about this all the time. There are certain NFL teams that are built to win a certain way. Like the Chargers last year did not have the dynamic perimeter players. If they got down, they were in trouble. And, you know, and so I think Baltimore for years has a team that plays downhill better than uphill. So I just think, I think Indiana's. I think they're a handful. I think they can play with a lead, they can play trailing. And they have now forced three different teams, Milwaukee, the Cavs, and the Knicks, to play their tempo.
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C
Yeah, it should be a fun series. Colin, the next story. Listen, I don't want to get in an argument with you. It's a Thursday. We both have big weekend plans, but we're going to have to talk about SGA and this free throw merchant stuff. All right? I know people at this network and other networks are really like, defending SGA. Colin. Jaden McDaniels chimed in, okay, he's the guy who got called. He fouled out with some nonsense calls against sga, including that one you just saw on the screen. Jada McDaniels. We expected it. Myself knowing coming in, he gets calls. Not everything is going to go our way. Nothing we can do about it now. The big narrative online has been, well, wait a minute, guys, look at the most fouls drawn this postseason. And our staff has got it here, okay? On the surface, it looks like, oh, wait, SGA doesn't go to the line a lot. But, Colin, you know what? I like to do right. I think it was in like fourth grade I kept arguing with my teacher and at back to school night, the teacher told my parents, jason, he might be a lawyer. So, Colin, I looked at these numbers and I said, hmm, interesting. I wonder if minutes played has anything to do with it. You know, Brunson's been in two overtime games. SGA's had some massive blowouts. Wouldn't you know it, Brunson has played 65 more minutes in the playoffs than SGA. That's more than a full game. So obviously he's going to go to the line much more than sga. People can argue it all they want. Colin, I had a ESPN reporter on my podcast yesterday talking about this and he was front row for Thunder, Thunder and Wolves. And he's saying, listen, I haven't seen calls like this since, like Allen Iverson with the point guard getting every whistle because he's tiny and drives. At some point the refs are going to have to swallow the whistle because it's getting excessive. It's not a good look.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, it's. I always said that Shaq was fouled twice as often as the refs called because he was so big that you could hit Shaq and it wouldn't matter. So Shaq actually was fouled much more than the whistles. SGA is so slight that sometimes a touch and a little bit of his performative movement makes it look like a foul. Some of this stuff, like flopping D. Wade was always a player that could illicit foul free throws. So some of this I just give credit to sga. Now, I did think there was one whistle, probably two whistles where it was a little over the top. But I would say this. I think Brunson gets a friendly whistle. Harden got it for years. I think Jokic gets the whistle. But more than any player sga, I'm going to credit the player, not debit the refs. I think he knows what he's doing and I think his slightest frame where the average NBA player is probably 6, 6, you know, 231, you know, he's whatever he is 6, 6 1, 9 8. So it's like a lean receiver. Any contact initiated appears to be far more physical or punitive than it is. And he's good at kind of acting and leaning into it.
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C
It's funny you mentioned acting. There's reports out there that he's been working on his flopping with Drake and some other Canadian guys. I think Justin Bieber, like these actors from Kenner Teaching them how to flop and flail. And I will add this. Some fans pointed out a video from game one where. Remember Anthony Edwards, where LeBron came down the court and Ant was just shoving him. You told me on air you love that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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C
Anthony Edwards did that to SGA in game one and got called for a foul.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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C
Like, we can't have that, colin.
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Colin Cowherd
No, but LeBron. LeBron is 260. SGA is 193. So it is different. You know, again, it's. Jokic gets fouled more than people think because he weighs 275. So that's the downside to being a huge person. That contact, you can't see it with him. You see every bump.
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C
I need consistency, my friend. That's what I need. Like you delivering on the show every damn day. I want that for my NBA referees. Final story is Garrett Wilson. We haven't wedged the jets into the show in a minute. He's going to be on his third quarterback in his many years with the jets, and now Justin Fields is his guy. Aaron Glenn has said the team's offensive goal is to get Wilson the ball, and that will not happen unless the quarterback and receiver have a great friendship. Thankfully, this is not their first go route. Wilson and Fields obviously played together at Ohio State. Here they are talking about their friendship.
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Channing Fry
He trusts me, I trust him.
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Colin Cowherd
Just trying to get the best out of each other.
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Channing Fry
And, yeah, that goes back, you know, five, six years now. So for me, I know exactly what he can do.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Channing Fry
And I still think the world's got to see it. And that's the beautiful thing about this. You know, we all got something to prove on this team.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, we haven't done nothing yet.
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Channing Fry
And I know we all got that chip on our. On our shoulder. Like, you know, we haven't done nothing.
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Colin Cowherd
Yet, because we haven't. Yeah, I'm going to wait to see. I think I feel bad for Justin Fields in one aspect. He got a defensive coach in Chicago. He got a defensive coach and culture in Pittsburgh. He gets a defensive coach and culture in New York. I think there are very few players that can get the wrong coach or the wrong culture and succeed. I mean, let's say Sean McVay never shows up and it's Jeff Fisher into another defensive coach. Jared Goff doesn't have that nice house in Hermosa Beach. Like, the reality is, with very few exceptions, where you land and who you get connected to, like Jaden Daniels would have be. Would have been successful. No question in my mind. But Cliff Kingsbury and Terry McLaurin really helped. That really helped.
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C
I agree. I would counter with the positive that Fields has is the guy before him would go on a weekly radio show and talk about conspiracy theories and Dr. Fauci and nonsense like that. I'll be honest, I haven't heard a word from Justin Fields. Have you? Do you see him on social media? Is he out and about talking about what's going on in the Gaza Strip? Like, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Look, the only problem I've ever had with Justin Fields is, like, Zach Wilson. I question whether he sees the field great. Like, there are open players that he missed. Great kid, good size, good arm moves. Well, he checks like eight boxes. Yeah, but this league, this league, Belichick's talked about this with Brady. Tom would look to the left and complete a pass and yet would know what was on the field in the right. Never moved his head there. Certain players have a feel. Jaden Daniels has a feel for the position. It's insane. He literally is better on a blitz as a rookie in bad weather, trailing late. Like, that doesn't make any sense. And some guys never see the field. With Justin, I feel like with Zach Wilson, I'm like, dude, I just don't know if he sees open play.
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C
Well, the other thing. Do you remember the coach, I'm not going to say it, obviously on air, who came into the studio probably two years ago and was on a staff with Fields in the NFL and said Fields would be like, what, show up one minute before the team meeting and he would have his hoodie on and he would slouch and he didn't look engaged like a franchise quarterback should. I'm just hoping that was young Justin Fields and we'll get to see a more mature one in New York who is a first guy in, last guy out. All the stuff you need from a leader. Because the jets, they don't have a leader on that team. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
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C
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, I saw this story again, a person familiar with the negotiations of the USC Notre Dame game said, quote, it would be a strategically bad decision if USC backed out of it. SC knows how we feel. That's an executive, I would say, at NBC Sports because they get an automatic rating. Of course, a Television executive wants them to play. But Again, USC gets 75 million annually now, minimum from the Big Ten. They don't need the game. And the Big Ten last year was the best conference in the country. The SEC has great programs, but often in small rural markets. Alabama is struggling to keep up in the Nil. Oklahoma will. LSU has Ohio State's, not. Michigan's, not. Oregon's, not. USC's not like Penn State's not. So the reality is USC is looking at it, thinking we'll do a one year deal and weigh it. But USC got a break the last couple of years. They didn't play Ohio State or Oregon yet and they're still struggling transitioning to a cold weather conference. And Notre Dame, by the way, they need it. They only play five conference games. I mean, last year Notre Dame lost an early game as a favorite and we were talking about they can't get into the playoff because their schedule's so weak. Ohio State lost early to Oregon and late to Michigan. And we're like, of course they get in. They beat good teams like Penn State. So there's a big difference here. USC doesn't need it financially. USC is in a toughest conference. USC has a harder schedule. And USC saying, let's just do it on a year by year basis. Notre Dame plays five conference games and now they play in a conference that's the weakest. That's why Notre Dame just signed a 12 year deal with Clemson, because they need games like Clemson, they need usc. When you're in the Big Ten, you don't need anything. I mean, that's why I give great credit to Ohio State willing to play Texas. They don't have to. They got too many teams on their schedule. So. And it's not just playing Notre Dame. Say you play Notre Dame November 7th in South Bend, then you fly all the way home and then the next week you have Penn State. You're walking into a two game losing streak. It's not just playing physical Notre Dame. You want your schedule, you want to get back home, which you'd only get every other year. You want to get back in the sun. You don't want these long east coast road trips. That's the downside to the back PAC 12 Big 10 alliance is, I mean, you got games now. You could have Penn State flying all the way out to Oregon coming home, then going all the way out to ucla. These are college kids. So I'm going to defend usc in the PAC12. Why not outside of Oregon? Maybe Utah, Washington. Yeah, we'll Take that Notre Dame game. We'll take. It's our big long road trip of the year. USC is now getting four and five long road trips. I mean, you look at them at Purdue's in Indiana, then they go to Illinois and then they're at Notre Dame. Then they're back on a flight to Nebraska. Like that. That's a lot of travel. That doesn't count the playoff. So this thing now is all about the playoff. Of course, a television executive, presumably at NBC, doesn't like it, but I listen. Very Michigan. Notre Dame used to play. It was a huge game and there were some unbelievable classics and now they don't. And the sport's okay. Oklahoma and Nebraska used to play. The big rating last year in the regular season or the highest rated game, wasn't it UGA in Texas? They never played. It was the highest rated game. So I'm not saying that rivalries don't matter. Ohio State and Michigan need to play Texas. Oklahoma is really cool. Auburn and Alabama, it just feels like the Iron bowl should be played. Mississippi, Mississippi State. Notre Dame played Michigan. They moved on. I like the game, but I get USC's point of view. How many long road trips do we want to go on? Look at Notre Dame schedule. Open up at Miami, Texas A and M. I mean, they got Boise States in there. They got. They got a lot of W's here. They got Navy in there. They are hunting for bigger games. And so I'm going to side with USC on this. And for the record, now Notre Dame is recruiting because they have a great coach in Marcus Freeman. They're recruiting at a national level. You really want on your schedule before the playoff starts. Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington before we get to the playoffs. Then add Notre Dame into it again. Notre Dame, wherever it is in the schedule. You know, it's one thing if you could open with Notre Dame every year, that's a whole different ballgame. I could have that discussion. You're not throwing that thing. You're not throwing that 98 mile an hour on the hands on me in November 21st, when I got the Buckeyes the following week or whoever. Okay, we had Channing Fry on earlier. So listen, I'm not saying it wasn't a little bit of a meltdown, but I think a lot of what we saw last night, Charles Barkley talked about it, the pace of play was going to benefit the longer the game went on and the longer the series went on. And so we saw this with Oklahoma City and Denver. Denver played a starting five And a couple of rotational players. At the end of about three or four of those games in the OKC Denver series, Denver looked tired. That's what I think happened. I think some of this was. You wanted to get into a track meet. Well, one team is built for a track meet. And Josh Hart, after the game, talked about that meltdown by the Knicks. I feel like we, defensively, we didn't have. We let off the gas. The intensity of physicality wasn't there.
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Channing Fry
Offensively, we were playing slower, lower, stagnant.
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Colin Cowherd
And looked like we were playing loose.
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Channing Fry
So we got to make sure.
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C
You.
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Channing Fry
Know, we don't make that mistake again.
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Colin Cowherd
Again. Did they let their foot off the gas or were they gassed? And. And I, I, like I've said before, there are certain teams play certain ways. The Pacers play the fastest pace in the league three years in a row. The Knicks have played the slowest pace in the league two years in a row. And I think New York is built. You can, you can still win games. Like I said, there's ways the New York Knicks should have won that game. They shot 51%. But I don't think over the course of time, I think Cleveland found this out like Milwaukee found it out in the first game of the series. It's like, oh, we can't keep up. Remember, the first game was a blowout. You're like, Milwaukee realized very quickly, oh, we can't play at this pace. Then Cleveland didn't have Darius Garland for the first game or two. And they're like, oh, yeah, we can't play at this pace without our full staff. I think New York, last night, it was fun, it's electric. But I think it's very obvious that was the way the Pacers would love the series to look.
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C
I mean, I gotta disagree. So, Colin, they had like five days off, I believe, between games, right? Celtics. And then the game one, they led by 16 in the fourth quarter. Yeah. What? Brunson goes out with his fifth foul, which was a dumb foul. His fourth and fifth were really dumb. And I'm like, oh, man, I'm so nervous. And they go on a 14 nothing run. Like they led by 16 with like 7 minutes left. I. I don't know that it was a melt so much as a. Oh, my gosh, the Pacers just could not miss. They hit six three pointers to end the game. Now, I don't know why the Knicks were playing drop coverage. And I think Channing Fry made a good point for some reason. The Carl Anthony Townsend, everybody's sagging off nith. Like, why are you giving him that much room? You see on the screen he just hit four threes. Can you get up at his grill? Like, that's the only way you lose the game. Honor disappointing from the Knicks, but I'm going to call it a fluke. Is that, is that okay?
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Colin Cowherd
You can call it whatever you want. I'm not, I don't think it's a joke. I don't. I think some. Listen, we do this in our business. If somebody loses their bums, the New York Knicks, I mean, that's just what we do. Like, let's give the Pacers credit. And the New York Knicks played a really good basketball game. That. First of all, the first quarter was absolutely. You should go back on YouTube and watch the first quarter. Nobody missed. Like, it was just like, what is going on? It was, it was AAU basketball. You were just sitting around going, great shot. Oh, that was a great shot. Oh, that was a better shot. Like every guy was putting on a shirt. I mean it was, it was. And one tour, every guy was putting on a clinic. So it's one of the best nights of basketball. It was a great three hours to sit in front of a TV and watch an all time classic. Little envy with the people that were there. Summer is almost here and you can now get almost any anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A nice tan. Sorry, A box fan. Happily, yes. A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines? Yes. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. You've heard me talk about Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey of the herd podcast. I love a good metaphor, so here's one for you. Green River Whiskey is like a big playoff win by your favorite team. Always sure to raise your spirits. So pair the thrills of this playoff season with Green River Whiskey. To find Green river near you, head on over to greenriverwhisky.com here's the green River Whiskey Raise your spirits. A product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume varies by product. Greenriverwhiskey.com, please drink responsibly. Just like how true champs master both offense and defense. The BMW IX Masters both ultimate performance and unbeatable space. Love mine. The greatest legends in sports never compromise in any aspect of their game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? What I love about my BMW IX is that it redefines the electric vehicle experience, seamlessly integrates powerful performance. It's bold, daring design, a refined interior, details, cutting edge technology. Basically pushes the boundaries of innovation. Thousands of details went into creating the ultimate electric SUV compromise. Not one of them the following heartwarming yet informative scene is brought to you by Trust and Will Son, your grandpa and I used to work on this car together and when I'm gone, I want you to have it. Wow. Thanks dad. Doesn't count. What you need is a will. Luckily, Trust and Will makes it easy. Designed by attorneys but customized by you, you can easily create a state specific, legally valid document that actually counts. Now let's let the engine do the talking. Am I right? Start your will@trustandwill.com use offer code, count for 20 off and make it count. Trust and Will is an online estate planning service. For details, see trustandwill.com you're listening to an iHeart podcast.