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Colin Cowherd
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Rachel Nichols
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Rachel Nichols
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Jason McIntyre
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Jason McIntyre
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Jason McIntyre
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Rachel Nichols
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Colin Cowherd
Now let's get this party started.
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Unknown
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Jason McIntyre
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Wednesday. We're live, we're in Chicago. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Rachel Nichols in about five minutes. You know, Jay, at the Knicks Pacers tonight, two things can be true. The NBA got $76 billion and they're fine. And I don't think Minnesota and Oklahoma City are going to get great ratings. So I think all those slight ratings increases. There's a lot of NBA ratings talk. We never talk hockey. Talk hockey ratings are in the tank. We don't talk baseball ratings. We talk NBA ratings. I'm not sure why it is such a thing. It's been around for a long time. It's been flourishing since the 80s.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, let's. But let's be above. Let's be above the fray. Not talk about that. Let's go and talk about why Brock Purdy was slighted in the PFF quarterback tier. Ratings. Colin. Huh?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, it's. It came out today. I actually think they did a really good job. Usually on these rankings I've got big pushback pff, they watch every play. They ranked all 32 starters ahead of this year. I thought CJ Stroud was five or six spots too low. Other than that, how on earth is.
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Colin Cowherd
Geno Smith in the same tier as Brock Purdy? I mean, I would love to see the metrics from pff. I'm going to go read them during the next commercial break. But there is zero data that can tell me that Geno Smith has had the last three years as good as Brock Purdy. No way. No shot.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, Brock Purdy last year lost eight of his last nine starts.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, last year. Do we forget the years before that? The two years before that.
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Jason McIntyre
You usually don't get big contracts. Last year was the first year that Brock Purdy had to play without a stacked roster and he lost eight of his last nine starts. That's the difference between the haves and have nots. Oh, C.J. stroud. O line was awful. Receivers all hurt, made the playoffs, won a playoff.
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Colin Cowherd
Gamers probably win that division last year without CEC if they're playing in the AFC south with those jokers.
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Jason McIntyre
I thought what was interesting about it, I think they PFF did a really good job. They have Dak Prescott, the highest paid quarterback in the league at 17th one spot ahead of Tua and I think that's perfect. I would take Dak by a whisker over Tua if I was a general manager. Both Dak and Tua are pocket guys. Both have had multiple injuries, both are kind of reliant on their supporting cast and both signed their contract with the Dolphins and Cowboys respectively. And our first thought was the team got worked good for two and Dak, they made out. And that's always been my concern with Brock Purdy, that I think he's very much. I think he's a little better then Tua, not much. And this was interesting. Adam Schefter had this story. Brock Purdy asked the Niners for 65 million annually and settled for significantly less than that. But more important, no team showed trade interest at all. And we know seven teams needed a quarterback. So that is also very similar to Tua and Dak, that their teams view them higher than the league does. There's no interest outside of Dallas for Dak. There's no interest for Tua outside of Miami and Brock Purdy, according to Adam Schefter, who I trust, there was no big great league wide interest. I got news for you. If C.J. stroud was on the market, you got 12 teams calling. So I've always said you're as good as the market dictates. Your home company can love you. But if you're on the street, what's the market? Say if Justin Herbert and C.J. stroud are on the street, there's a lot of interest. I mean Herbert, 6, 5, 2, 3, huge arm and moves. 18 teams are interested in him, 32 teams are interested in Josh Allen and Mahomes, and probably 28 are interested in Lamar and Joe Burrow. So what is your value? You're on the market, what's the market? Say I don't care if you're a talk show host, I don't care if you're a quarterback. You're on the market. Who comes knocking? The more come knocking to me that, that that's an amplification of your talent. And according to Schefter, nobody came knocking for Purdy. But that's okay. The Niners love him. The Cowboys love Dak, The Dolphins love to it. Nothing wrong with that. Their employers feel better about them than the market does and they've been paid a lot of money. So I'm never going to root against a guy making money. Brock Purdy's family and him are set for years, for decades. With that, Rachel Nichols joins us. Game one of the Western Conference finals in the books. Before I get to that, this has been a topic on our show. I, I so David Stern inherited a league where there was a different champion every year. And though there were some good players like Rick Barry or. Or Dr. J, the league didn't have a lot of dynamic television presence, you know, people. And so David Stern was very okay with big markets and the collaboration of stars because he saw the opposite of that now. Adam Silver's different Rachel. He saw David Stern's version of the NBA, which was stacked rosters ticked off 90% of the owners, and these big cities often flourishing. So my take has been what you're seeing now in the NBA is what this is finally, Adam Silver's league. This is what he wants it to be. Do you think it'll work?
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Unknown
Well, look, owners want parity, right? Because more guys want a piece of the pie. If one team is winning, you know, four or five years in a row, that means everyone else is shut out of that playoff money. So owners love parity. This is making a lot of guys who are Adam Silver's boss. The little bit of the twist on it is that the general public actually follows the NBA more during dynasty seasons because you get to know the warriors over time. Your grandma knows who Steph Curry is. Wherefore, when you have different champion after different champion after different champion, we all know who Ant Edwards is. We think he's a star. He's got great charisma. But the question is, is he breaking through to sort of the regular fan? The NBA needs some dynasties mixed in with the new faces coming in. You need a mix to be popular.
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Jason McIntyre
So I. I think it's interesting. The Pacers are the fastest paced team in the league for three straight years. The Knicks are the slowest paced team in the NBA for two straight years. It is a clash. It's a boxing match. Styles make fight. It is a clash of pace. And. And Indiana's done an unbelievable job to dominate pace against Milwaukee and Cleveland. They set the pace and they won the series. I'm interested. When you talk to people around the league and they look at this really, I mean, these are clash of. This is like a passing team and a running team in the NFL. Who do people in the league like? In the Knicks Pacer series, which starts.
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Unknown
Tonight, it's very split. It's interesting. First of all, I'm here in New York. The energy around the city is exactly what you would expect. Colin, if you talk to people on the streets, in the taxis. Not only are the Knicks going to sweep the Pacers in this series, they're also going to sweep the finals and somehow win two titles in the process. So that's the energy going on here right now. And certainly the Knicks match up so well against the Pacers, but they're going to find a defense that they haven't seen so far. You think Detroit pressed them a lot, the Pacers, because of their depth, they can go full court press. So when you talk about the pace of the Knicks or what they want to do offensively, who's going to have their way? The Knicks have to get there. Jalen Brunson has to be able to get to what he wants to do and he's going to see pressure like he hasn't quite seen before. You know how good the Pacers are in transition. You know how good they are at getting points off of steals, turnovers. I think that's really part of the matchup to watch tonight to see whose style makes this fight.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, it's funny, six months ago to a year ago, Tibbs was in trouble. People were saying the practices are too hard, he doesn't play his bench. This is not working. And today, and I don't know what his contract situation is, but he could probably get an extension. It's. I feel like Rachel. And this happens sometimes in different industries. The league moved into Tibs. They were tired of three point shooting. They thought it was too homogenous and too repetitive and they wanted half court basketball. They wanted physicality because fans love the physical. We even see it with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. If you're physical, it gets talked about. It's controversial. I feel like Tibbs is now the most secure a New York Knicks coach has been since Pat Riley. What do you hear?
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Unknown
I mean, look, yes, certainly in a postseason where they're not calling as much, that favors different styles of teams and different styles of coaches. And Tibbs has always been in that hard nosed basketball cat. But I would say Tibbs even was quote, in trouble. And trouble is probably the wrong way to say it because Leon Rosen here, so close. So who knows how close he would actually come to not getting future contracts. But there were a lot of whispers about Tibbs going into the Detroit series. And even during the Detroit series, Colin, there was talk if they lost the Detroit Series, what was going to happen to Tibbs. They had to take a really hard look at his future. Now all of a sudden they win two series later and he's the toast of the NBA. So sometimes we talk about matchups and sort of how the bracket fills out and how that affects players and their legacy. He never got out of the second round. Well, that's because he always had these tough first and second round matchups out in the west, that kind of thing. Well, they got a great bracket here. They had, you know, faced a Boston Celtics team that didn't play like itself the first few games. Then Jayson Tatum gets hurt and here they are and Tibbs is the toast of the NBA. And I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to talk about his job security going forward.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, so sga, when James Harden was doing the step back move, it felt like he was working the league, he was working the system. Some have said the Tush push is working the system, although the NFL owners today voted to extend it. I don't feel that with sga. I think SGA is just a contract initiator. He's good from the line. He's a great, pure shooter. I'm not bothered by the SGA whistle. I thought he got one whistle last night that was ridiculous. But I overall, I'm like, he's a really good player that initiates contract it. Harden bothered me. This doesn't. Brunson's flopping can be irritating. This doesn't. How is he viewed in the league?
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Unknown
Yeah, I mean, people just think he's such a pure player, you know, I talked to several players throughout the league this season. Every single one of them, many of them on camera, including James Harden, by the way, told me he is the MVP of the league this season and the MVP is going to be announced tonight. And I would certainly expect SGA to be the one to walk home with that hardware. His game is so complete that I think no one feels like it's maybe the way they felt about Harden because. Because they don't feel like he's depending on that and only that. So you have a lot of guys around the league, players who really respect the way this guy's played. And you don't really hear about that foul merchant stuff that Doris Burke mentioned last night is all over NBA Twitter.
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Jason McIntyre
I want to wrap up with this. There are three levels of players that are going to potentially move. There's the Giannis level, a dominant player, still in his prime. There's the KD level, out of his prime, but an excellent player, 26 a game, can catch and shoot on any team in the league. Then there's the Kaminga level. Not a refined player, but you're going to get 20 points. He's moving into his prime. He still has some refinement. I feel like there are three levels of this, but let's go to the Giannis level because his numbers have been dominating over the last couple years. Usually when we predict a huge market, you find out, like with the Luca trade, there was like one team involved. Do you think there's six, seven, eight teams for Luka, for instance, The Knicks, I thought needed a big swing. Now I don't think they do need a big swing. I would not make. I would not give up picks and players for Giannis. I think with this new style, they could win a title. What do you think the market is for Giannis?
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Unknown
I think the market for Giannis is going to be enormous. I think that there are so many teams who feel they are one Giannis Antetokounmpo away from a title. And in this day and age where there is, as you started the segment, talking about so much parity and just one guy who can push you over the edge is rare in today's NBA. And Giannis is that guy. So I think there will be a huge market for him. I think there will be teams that we're not even thinking about who are willing to make deals we're not even believing they're able to make. We've been talking, you and I, Colin, about sort of the top three that people keep talking about. Are the spurs now going to make a bigger push for Giannis now that they have that number two pick that's dangling there that they won in the lottery? The Houston Rockets still going to be the favorite to try to get a player like Giannis? You know, Giannis came out and did an ask me anything Q and A, which is so Giannis, right? When there's trade rumors about him and everything. And. And gee, who did he name as his number one player out there? Who did he say? He said Steph Curry, which is not exactly a veiled sort of reference to the fact that there's been a Giannis, Steph sort of romance over the years. So the warriors have long wanted to get Giannis. I think there will be a lot of teams in the derby, and it's just a matter of does Giannis want to leave? Do the Bucs deal him and who too? They haven't done that great with keeping guys in their own conference, so and so Drew Holiday. So I would expect him to go to the west one way or the other.
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Jason McIntyre
Great stuff. Rachel Nichols, as always. Thanks, Rachel. Appreciate it.
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Unknown
Thank you.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, J. Mac, let me throw this at you. This is completely hypothetical. Mike Dunleavy says, well, I'm just going to throw this out there. You got to make salaries match. So you guys, you guys, Jason Martin, you guys can figure this out here because I don't have it in front of me. Butler Kaminga. Butler Kaminga. Four first round picks. You're the GM of the Milwaukee Bucks.
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Colin Cowherd
No, thanks.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. That's what I would say. No, but I, I will tell you now, here's what I would say. Knowing that college basketball is becoming more domestic this draft this year, all the top players look like it's not a European draft. The story we reported on where the NIL is now buying Europeans, the Spanish leagues are chock full. They have more young talent than any of the leagues. The Spanish leagues, they're thinking of shuttering it because the NIL here in the States is buying their best players. So a draft pick for the previous 15 years, you were like, can they play well? Draft picks now, especially at the top of the draft, are going to be better NBA prospects, but you're not going.
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Colin Cowherd
To be picking at the top of the draft with that. With the picks you get from the warriors, they've got Curry and Giannis, it's going to be like in the late 20s, you know, so I don't know. I still think Houston is the team to watch. I think San Antonio is lurking in the shadow. Like, would you part with Stefan Castle if you're going to get Giannis back and then you pair Giannis and Wendy together?
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Jason McIntyre
No, no, wait.
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Colin Cowherd
So how Many, how many MVPs is Stefan Castle going to win?
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Jason McIntyre
I don't think he's going to win them because Wemby will. And he will because of the eight assists he gets from Castle. And Castle's ability to force you out of doubles to guard Castle, I'm not giving that. By the way, what is also happening in the NBA guard driven sport? What's Castle long? I mean, great length, can hit jumpers, drive forceful. If you start looking at the NBA right now, it is becoming a point guard league because of the multiple aprons. You can't stack stars. So it is pace of play. I'm not giving Castle up.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, fine. Would you give up Amen Thompson if you're Houston?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, Houston only has one or two. I want Sengun and Thompson. I don't. I'm not interested in anything else they have. So. And Houston has said, oh, man, Thompson is off the market.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay?
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Jason McIntyre
So I don't think Houston, I mean, I don't want a bunch of picks in Jalen Green. I'm not interested in that.
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Colin Cowherd
You want craziness. OKC has that kid Kason Wallace on the bench.
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Jason McIntyre
Who?
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, listen, there's a lot of hype around him. He's only 21.
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Jason McIntyre
Very good player. How about this?
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Colin Cowherd
What if you included him in a package? You know, you give up the salaries to match and Wallace and two or three firsts for Yanis.
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Jason McIntyre
No, no, no, no. I would want Chet Holmgren, Case and Wallace and four firsts.
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Colin Cowherd
I would do that for Giannis in a heartbeat if I'm okay.
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Jason McIntyre
That's interesting. So I love Holmgren. I think Holmgren's really good. Injuries worry size. But Holmgren, Kayson, Wallace, four firsts is. Is.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, you need more to get the salaries to match. But that's an interesting one.
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Jason McIntyre
The Lou Dort get.
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Colin Cowherd
Get. I mean, Lou Dort somehow starts over Case on Wallace. I don't get it. By the way, can we stop breathing on SGA and calling a foul? Did you see that garbage last night? I mean, 14 free throw trips.
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Jason McIntyre
One.
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Colin Cowherd
Are you crazy? Oh, my gosh.
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Jason McIntyre
There was the one where he drove to his left and I'm not sure what happened. I don't know what. Maybe it was the jersey number, by the way, came off its fabric and bumped.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, by the way, he was 10 of 27 shooting. I've never seen more hype for a 10 for 27 performance than last night. 31 points on 27 shots. That's like Russell Westbrook action. The hype traits.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me just say, you go look at Michael Jordan in those Utah finals. Michael ended up with 28 points on horrible shooting on multiple games. Part of this league is getting to the free throw line. I mean, that's part of the sport is getting to the line.
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Colin Cowherd
The Michael Jordan fans want to tune in for the final hour for sure today. Somebody's getting lit up. We'll talk about that in the final hour.
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Unknown
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Rachel Nichols
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Jason McIntyre
How about a box of fine wines?
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Rachel Nichols
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Jason McIntyre
All right, the Tush push lives for another day NFL owners did not take the recommendation of two different committees in the NFL, and by a very narrow margin, the NFL owner said, we're going to keep the Tush push. So that makes Philadelphia Eagle fans and players very happy. Jason Kelsey, the former Eagle apparently talked, stood up and said, listen, I don't think it's as dangerous as you're saying, so that's good for the Philadelphia Eagles. Anybody can use it. I was a bit surprised. We're seeing horse collar tackling eliminated. Cam Chancellor jumping over trying to block kicks eliminated. There wasn't a lot of data of injuries there. The kickoff has basically been completely altered, so I'm surprised. I thought it looked dangerous enough for the NFL to move off it. They didn't. So the Eagles once again, the play they created remains a viable part of their third and one and fourth and one offensive situations. J. Mack with the news no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
No, turn on the news.
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Unknown
This is the Herd line news.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's start with the Vegas Raiders. They've had quite an off season, right? Pete Carroll's the new head coach. I got the Chip Kelly's the new OC drafted Ashton Genty, but the big one is trading for quarterback Geno Smith. He's now reunited with Pete Carroll. They had some success in Seattle, but it's his first time working with Chip Kelly. Geno says Kelly has made the transition smooth, adding that Chip knows that I can see the game, whatever that means. I don't know. I I'm kind of torn on this team. We talked about him a lot, Colin, but there are some Raiders fans on staff. Hint, hint. What do you really think of Geno Smith? Because I'm shocked that he was in that same T as Brock Purdy. I can't get over that.
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Jason McIntyre
I think Pete Carroll clearly likes him. He defended him in Seattle. He. He brought him in to the Raiders. So, you know, they always say, just like when people look for jobs, it takes one. And I think Pete Carroll likes him. Pete Carroll likes him. He's a big guy with a big arm that can throw the ball down the field. The Raiders are going to be a run first team with Chip Kelly and Ashton Genty. Brock Bowers, tight end, not a wide out. So I think they'll play. You know, Pete is old school, but he wants more conservative games. Low on turnovers, run game and defense and special teams. So my take is Geno Fitzpate. It only takes one. I mean, like Adam Schepter reporting, nobody was calling about Brock Purdy. Kyle Shanahan loves him. That's all it takes. Mike McDaniel loves Tua. Brian Flores did not. It takes one. He got paid.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, we try to be thought leaders and I'm just gonna float this out there. You tell me your thoughts. So Pete Carroll gets the job and first thing he says is, we got to get a quarterback. This quarterback room was garbage last week. So he looks at the landscape, he's like, okay, we could make a play for Sam Darnold, but he kind of had an outlier year with Kevin o' Connor. We could draft. We could look at the quarterbacks in the draft. You know, we have a top 10 pick, maybe, maybe we like Shador. So they kick the tires on the quarterbacks. Then, hey, Kirk Cousins, we could go out and trade for him, but he's look kind of washed. Maybe Geno was simply the best option among a pretty weak slate in the off season of quarterback options. Is that possibly what happened?
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Jason McIntyre
I think Darnold and Geno are similar in that if you hurry them, their mistakes increase. But I could see Pete Carroll, based on his history, thinking Darnold was a little reckless for his taste. Geno's not necessarily reckless. He's actually not reckless if he has a run game. He's a very good play action pass quarterback, over 100 rating. But I can see in Pete's world watching Sam and thinking he can do a little hero ball. He's a little reckless. He was at college. He was with the Jets. He was with Carolina. So I think that's been coached out of him. But like, I get Peanut, I get Pete picking Gino over Sam Darnold. That I get.
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Colin Cowherd
It's like, I mean, it's not quite like when you're playing, you're playing pickup recess, you know, when you're dividing up the teams and there's a draft and there's like three guys left. And it's like, well, I've got to take that guy because he's there. I don't know that like Geno Smith is the long term answer. This is a bridge quarterback, clearly, right? One or two years.
- [28:37]
Jason McIntyre
I don't know if that's true. Again, I, I think Pete Carroll looks at that division and sees Mahomes, Herbert specifically and thinks, okay, that's not available on the market. What I'm not gonna do is somebody that's impersonating Herbert or Mahomes. I'm gonna get somebody that understands himself. Just smart player. I mean, Gino's a total pro. He's a total adult. He takes it very seriously. And Pete's like, this is my kind of guy. If I can't get him a Holmes, then I'm not gonna cost myself wins by somebody that's reckless. That's why Darnold's a little, he's a little skittish on Darnold.
- [29:12]
Colin Cowherd
I would love, I mean, if you corner Pete Carroll at a party in one of your swanky affairs that you go to, maybe you could ask him, hey, why not Justin Fields?
- [29:20]
Jason McIntyre
What?
- [29:21]
Colin Cowherd
Why not Justin Fields is.
- [29:22]
Jason McIntyre
Justin Fields never made a Pro Bowl. We don't know if Justin Fields can play.
- [29:26]
Colin Cowherd
Pro bowl is not the barometer for good quarterbacks.
- [29:28]
Jason McIntyre
Geno Smith has a better NFL resume than Justin Fields. We don't know if Justin Fields is a starter in this league. We know Geno is. He's probably the 17th best starter, but we know Gino's a starter.
- [29:42]
Colin Cowherd
Next up, Colin. I've temporarily lifted the ban on the Steelers. We're going to talk about them briefly so they enter OTA still not knowing the Aaron Rodgers situation. But Will Howard, who you see in this video here, I mean, kind of looks like a linebacker. He's a big boy there. He was a six round pick and he said Ben Roethlisberger has taken him under his wing.
- [30:02]
Will Howard
We actually have the same agent, so we got connected through that. He's been really good. He's been super supportive of me through this whole process.
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Colin Cowherd
And you talked in before you became a Steeler.
- [30:12]
Will Howard
No, I didn't. I didn't.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay.
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Will Howard
Before I became a Steeler. But throughout now being a Steeler, like getting to know him, he's been really helpful for me, Texting, me, checking in last week. You know, just been a really good mentor. You know, I, I can see him being a really good mentor for me going forward. And he's been super nice.
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Jason McIntyre
Will's going to be a nice backup.
- [30:31]
Colin Cowherd
He is fine. A huge individual. Did you. I mean, maybe the interviewer, whoever that was, was tiny, but Will Howard looks enormous now. He needs to work on the farmers tan. Obviously that was, you know, pretty bad. But I don't know. Is there any chance if Rogers doesn't go to Pittsburgh, will Howard unseating Mason Rudolph? I don't know.
- [30:51]
Jason McIntyre
It's a good question. Because we're hearing nothing from Aaron. I would say no. I think Will Howard's the backup in Pittsburgh.
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Colin Cowherd
Him. He, he had a charmed run with the Buckeyes. Let's be real. Final story Colin, we're going to talk about the free throw merchant SGA, your guy, he had 31 points. I need to add. It was on 27 shots, which is highly inefficient. Anyways, he had nine assists. OKC roles in the second half. Now here's what's interesting. This was picked up by some angry Nuggets fans earlier this season. Denver coach Michael Malone, before he was fired, went on this rant about how, hey man, you can't vote in the mvp. The MVP is our guy, yo. So last night, Michael Malone takes up a job for the other network and here's what he had to say after game one.
- [31:37]
Jason McIntyre
Shay Gilgames Alexander, he's. He showed why he's the mvp. He took over in the second half, did so in a very efficient manner and put the team on his back when they needed it. Needed him to do so.
- [31:49]
Colin Cowherd
So you know what's going on here, right? And I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat. Denver Nuggets fans say, oh, Michael Malone is saying that because he's ticked off Jokic didn't save his job for him and he's now flipped and said, oh, Jokic was the MVP earlier. Now he's saying SGA's the MVP. Is that too conspiracy theorists for you.
- [32:10]
Jason McIntyre
Know, the NBA can be a petty league. I do. I would have voted SGA the mvp. And I think the best player is easily Jokic. But it's a regular season award award and OKC was historically dominant in the regular season. So how your team fares matters. It's not just us. It's not called most statistically superior player. It's the most valuable. How can you be valuable if your team's like a four or five seed? You're not a value.
- [32:38]
Colin Cowherd
Wait a minute. All right, now you stepped in it, my friend. So you love to say Brock Purdy's got a stack deck. If you take SGA off okc, they have so much talent, they're still a play in team. You take Jokic off The Nuggets, they're 22 wins and top five pick in the draft. That you can agree with, right? OKC has a pretty sacked roster.
- [32:57]
Jason McIntyre
Yes, but I'm not blaming SGA for that. The truth is their roster is the deepest by far in the league. And if you take SGA off it, they are not the same team. But they can win games. If you take Tatum off the second deepest roster, Boston can win games. Denver's roster is not the same. If you put Jokic on OKC and SGA on Denver. If Jokic didn't play for okc, they'd still win games. Boston and OKC have great players. The roster construction's insane. They're like next level. Denver doesn't have a bench, so is it. So Jokic leaves their whole team unwrapped.
- [33:41]
Colin Cowherd
They have nothing. So is it safe to say there is a parallel between Brock Purdy and SGA?
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Jason McIntyre
No. One is the NFL's one. One is a 8, 10th 12th best quarterback, the other is the NBA leading scorer. Like one guy is a Hall of Fame talent. No, he is. He is. If you gave me choices, he'd be my fourth best quarterback in the NFC West.
- [34:09]
Colin Cowherd
Oh stop it. Well, I'll tell you right now, if you gave me choices, I'm not taking SGA top seven in the league. I'm taking six guys ahead of them. Maybe seven.
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Unknown
Name them.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, easily. Okay, let's go. Let's start with Giannis. We'll go. Jokic, we'll go. Luca, we'll go. Jason Tatum, we will go. I mean I can still if it's just for a year. Steph Curry. I'm taking Steph Curry over him. Obviously I would take Jalen Brunson over sga. I don't know that there's any debate there. I would have to to think long and hard about Halliburton. Yeah, I think SCA is very good. But again, Colin, this guy can't shoot three pointers. He's a free throw merchant on a stacked deck.
- [34:49]
Jason McIntyre
That's like criticizing Brady because you know Brady didn't throw the ball down the field except when he had Randy Moss. Brady was the best pre snap quarterback ever.
- [34:59]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Arguably the best cold weather quarterback ever. The best leader ever. Never missed starts. Was one of the most. Was one of the great big game clutch quarterbacks. Yeah, Tom didn't throw the ball down the field because it's an inefficient play. And when he didn't have Randy Moss, he didn't have guys that beat people down the field.
- [35:18]
Colin Cowherd
Tom Brady's not in this discussion. Okay, sga, he was not like the number one overall pick. Remember the Clippers had him and they.
- [35:23]
Jason McIntyre
Were like he led the NBA in scoring spree calling.
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Colin Cowherd
And Lee, I mean James Harden's done that like four times.
- [35:33]
Jason McIntyre
James Harden is not.
- [35:35]
Colin Cowherd
SGA is a very good defender, I'll give him that. He's excellent.
- [35:39]
Jason McIntyre
Well, yeah, you're talking Harden's an all time bad defender and SGA is a good defender. There's a. That's a huge swing. That's a 30 swing. And I also think that James Harden sort of found a loophole in the league rules which they eliminated. There is no loophole. SGA just gets fouled and hits free throws. There's no loophole.
- [35:59]
Colin Cowherd
Harden was doing that, that drag move.
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Jason McIntyre
That they had and the NBA eliminated it.
- [36:03]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they did. Maybe they can't.
- [36:05]
Jason McIntyre
NBA can't do anything to sga. They can't do anything. He just gets fouled.
- [36:09]
Colin Cowherd
He gets breathed on. As Chris Fitz, your boy, said earlier.
- [36:12]
Jason McIntyre
This season, J. Mac with the news.
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Unknown
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Jason McIntyre
The Herd lie news sounds like a good problem. Problem. It's actually a bad problem. And an NFL team, a great one, is facing it next.
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Unknown
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
So Mac Brown coached at North Carolina, then went on to fame, riches and a national title at Texas. And then they he went broadcasting and then he went back to North Carolina. Did a good job. He did a good job. He raised a lot of money. North Carolina got into bowl games. They put a lot of guys in the NFL, but it is a basketball school. So he retires his last year. I think he's 6 and 6 and Bill Belichick takes over. So they, they asked him about Belichick and I'm not saying. What he's saying is untrue But I could see where the Belichick people, the Belichick camp, wouldn't love what Mack Brown said when he was asked about Belichick with the Tar Heels.
- [42:43]
Mack Brown
As far as North Carolina and Bill Belichick now, they. He's arguably the best coach ever. They've committed money to it. They've helped them with academics. They've lowered those standards some. So there's absolutely no reason that they shouldn't be successful. And anymore you. They've changed the roster. I think they've signed maybe 60 something new transfers. So you've got a chance to succeed at the highest level. And I expect them to do that and I'm proud for them.
- [43:11]
Jason McIntyre
He may be right. But if you take out Notre Dame, there is no top 12 college football program, top 15 college football program that can't get the best high schoolers in. When you talk about academics, you know they've lowered the standards. Notre Dame's different. They're a top 15 program. And it's, it's a tough school to get in and it's a tough school to get through Stanford, but they're not a top 15 program. They've had stretches. Stanford's another program where, you know, they're, they're, it's hard to get in. It's. I've had coaches tell me at Stanford you can't keep 85 guys on scholarship. They can't find enough players that academically qualify for Stanford. Did they lower academic standards at Carolina? My take has always been Carolina is one of those schools that if they want to get a player in, they'll get a player in. So I could see Belichick people blanching at that a little bit. But I do think this is where I give Carolina a lot of credit, is they realized, listen, in our conference there is one Big Dog, and that big dog is Clemson. And how are we going to catch Clemson? Well, Clemson will not play the nil game. They're the only national power that's not interested in it. And I think Carolina smartly said, okay, they're not going to do it. This is a moment in time to catch the big dog. Clemson in our conference, we're going to go completely pro model and go all in on nil. And this is a little bit what Oregon did with Chip Kelly. Mike Bellotti did a good job, but it was always Washington and USC were the big names in the conference. They had national championships. And Oregon said, how do we catch them? Well, Phil Knight, 100 uniforms to get LA kids, be cool. We're going to be the cool program. We're not going to like USC and Washington. Grab on the tradition. We have no tradition. We're going to go 100 uniforms and we're going to go hire a guy in Chip Kelly. They don't huddle. Oregon stopped huddling for a long time. We're not going to huddle. I'll play every 13 seconds. And it worked. And Oregon is still on top of Washington and usc. So to catch the big dog in a conference, you got to take big swings. And I look at Carolina saying, hey, we got a moment in time here. Clemson's not playing the nil game, so let's go all in on nil, all in on NFL model, all in on Belichick and Jordan Hudson, too. So I respect what Carolina is doing. I think it's the only way to be a disruptor is to look at the leading models and do the opposite. This is interesting. The Buffalo Bills, I was just told in my earpiece, are going to do hard knocks. They've been selected. Now, usually you get boring teams or dysfunctional teams or chaotic teams or teams. That's why I hard knocks eliminates all the good teams. So Buffalo is actually fascinating. So this is a team that they're the only team. I saw this yesterday. The Buffalo Bills, not Philadelphia, are the only team to be favored in every game next year. So the Eagles face Buffalo at the end of the season. And right now Buffalo's a one and a half point favorite in that game. You can bet it. So my takeaway on this is Buffalo. This sounds like a good problem. Buffalo's in a really tough spot. Josh Allen just turned 29. He's audaciously talented, six' six, 255 or more, and a great runner. He's in the middle of his prime. And last season off his best season, the Kansas City Chiefs were the single most vulnerable Chiefs team since Mahomes arrived. O line issues, receiver maturity issues, health issues. And Kansas City still beat him in the AFC championship. And when Sean McDermott got into those short yardage situations with Josh Allen leaping over, I've got to be honest, it looked like a defensive coach that was a bit unprepared on third and fourth and one calls. It was really bad. It was the opposite of the tush push. It looked unpracticed. And so here's the problem. Sean McDermott is a good coach. In fact, I'd say he's a. He's a really good coach. Is he marked Jackson to the warriors where he's a good coach, a playoff coach, a smart coach, but not the championship coach. And if you look at the AFC now you've got Annie Reed, both our boss Sean Payton's in it. Oh, oops. Mike Vrabel just reappeared. So it's very easy when you watch one of those music shows to spot great and lousy. You know, it's just not that hard to see mediocre or bad or great. What do you do with good to pretty good? And it would be one thing if Buffalo had seven trophies. They're the one team in the National Football League who is now on its second run that's going to last over a decade, that's good enough to get there, often gets there and has no trophies. They're like the last. I mean, it was one thing when the Cubs won a World Series. They were just bad forever the lovable losers. Now, Buffaloes had the Jim Kelly era, the Josh Allen era, where we're like, I think half those years they were the best team in the NFL and they got no trophies. So that adds to the tension in the city. If you got. If you got trophies like the packers or the Eagles in the back room, it's a different vibe entirely. So how long is Deon Dawkins going to remain healthy at left tackle? I looked this morning. Josh Allen's cap hit is going up. It's kind of the Sean McDermott dilemma, where he's not bad, but I don't think he's great, but I think he's good to pretty good. And the warriors moved off Mark Jackson and it was a risk because Mark Jackson was a good coach. So you do get to a point with Buffalo. It's interesting that they're going to be the, you know, the HBO Max show or the HBO show Hard Knocks. Usually it is a team with an outrageous personality at coach or at quarterback. McDermott's pretty muted, pretty intense. I do think Buffalo's interesting, but they're the only team favored to win every game next year. And yet here we are. Do you really think Kansas City had its worst, most vulnerable team now? They got blown out in the Super Bowl. This was their most vulnerable year. And now it's Peyton. Now it's both Harbaughs. Here comes Rabel, and all of them have their quarterbacks. John Harbaugh's got his quarterback. Jim Harbaugh's got his quarterback. Sean Payton's got his quarterback, Mike Frable. Drake May, I think, got his quarterback. Sean does too. But the pressure is really on him. By the way, Good news here. J. Mac, I know we're not supposed to talk about this, but I'm just reading this.
- [50:23]
Unknown
What?
- [50:24]
Jason McIntyre
Per Nielsen live, same plus, same day data, first two rounds of the NBA playoffs average 4.2 million viewers. 3.3% improvement versus a year ago.
- [50:39]
Colin Cowherd
Great. Wonderful. So, ratings. We're talking about ratings for the NBA again or. No. Remember yesterday, you shut me down. You're like, oh, they got their deal, they're fine. Who cares?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, can two things be true?
- [50:51]
Colin Cowherd
Yes, of course.
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Jason McIntyre
They got 76 billion. Yeah. And baseball, hockey, and the NBA and the MLS.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Regular season ratings going forward are never going to be great because we are an event society. We're more distracted. There's more content, there's more platforms. Hockey ratings, regular season are awful. Baseball, mls. Where is mls?
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Colin Cowherd
Apple, where is he as a soccer owner? Let's not disparage the Sport.
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Jason McIntyre
Let's be two things are true. They got 76 billion and the league is fine.
- [51:24]
Colin Cowherd
Well, how about this? It's anecdota was what they like to call it. There's a guy who works here, you know, he's a big Lakers fan. And I asked him, hey, what'd you think of the game last night? The free throw merchant? He said, I didn't see the game. Johnny, obviously I'm talking about. And he's like, I had, I had my nephew's birthday party to go to. And I just wonder, Colin nationwide, if you've got an invite on a Tuesday night versus check out Thunder against Wolves. Like, no, no, that's a legitimate question. You're not skipping LeBron.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't. I think the increases in ratings will go now backwards for Minnesota okc. I think it'll go backwards.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, last year it was Dallas and who was it? Dallas, Minnesota, which I don't think were great ratings.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, that, that was Luca that helped. Hour three around the corner and heard.
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Colin Cowherd
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