Colin Cowherd (5:50)

First six.

Jason McIntyre (5:51)

Sorry. And now he goes to the Lakers. And, yeah, the pizzas aren't quite there, but you figure it out, right? Hey, we got our superstar. We've got our foundational piece. Now we build around him. You know, keeping Austin Reeves. Pretty savvy move by Rob Pelinka. They gave up Max Christie, who, by the way, Max Christie had looked very good with the Lakers. And since he got inserted into the starting lineup, they were 15 and 8. But you keep Austin Reeves and you keep that other first pick, so you now have more ammo to go out and make another move. You know, a guy I feel kind of sorry for is Klay Thompson. You know, Clay goes to a team that just went to the finals. Hey, I'm playing with Luca and Kyrie, and now it's like Luca's out the door. And I know this went down Saturday night, but, guys, did you see what happened to Dallas yesterday in their game? They were down like 50 in the first half. I think they gave up 91 or 93 to the Cavs. That's how shell shocked this franchise is. And you know, I write about stuff on gambling for foxsports.com and they asked me for an NBA take last week, and I looked at the landscape, and I said, we don't know when Lively's coming back. Maybe not this, the regular season. And Luca, we don't know when he's coming back. You should consider betting on the Mavs to miss the playoffs. And we Posted it. And of course, I get the usual suspects. These meatballs. Oh, you're an idiot. The Mavs are going to the Finals. I'm like, okay, let's just wait. And now you look at him and you're like, whoa. Geez. If something happens to Kyrie Irving for two weeks and the AD fit is a little clunky. No lively. There's a world where the Mavs miss the playoffs entirely. And I know Charles Barkley. I didn't want to say this when Rachel was here because she's close with Barkley. Charles Barkley comes out on social media yesterday. The Mavs are the second best team in the West. Like, come on, Charles. I don't need to take unnecessary shots at you. Super bowl week. But they're not the second best team in the West. And in fact, they could miss the playoffs. That's how bleak it could be. Kyrie Irving is really their only shot. Creator. It doesn't look good. If you're the Lakers, you don't care much about this year because you got Luka long term. All right, let's welcome in Matt Hasselbeck, the longtime NFL quarterback, just a true legend in the industry, a titan when it comes to sports media. How are you, man?

Matt Hasselbeck (8:04)

What's up, man? Wally Pip. What do we think, huh? What's going on?

Jason McIntyre (8:10)

I don't think.

Matt Hasselbeck (8:11)

I thought we were going to get a Michael Jordan flu today here from Colin. No.

Jason McIntyre (8:14)

Yeah.

Matt Hasselbeck (8:15)

He wasn't up for it.

Jason McIntyre (8:16)

He wasn't feeling great.

Matt Hasselbeck (8:17)

Almost. He gave it a run.

Jason McIntyre (8:18)

He gave it a run.

Matt Hasselbeck (8:19)

Okay, so it's super bowl week. Two weeks. Two weeks.

Jason McIntyre (8:23)

Two more weeks. Yes. So take us back to when you went to the Super Bowl 2005 against the Steelers.

Matt Hasselbeck (8:29)

Yeah, it's 2005 season. 2006. You know, once, you know, the new year comes and it's very different. You know, I felt very fortunate. I think my teammates did, too. Our head coach was Mike Holmgren. Mike Holmgren had been with the San Francisco 49ers in their heyday with Bill Walsh and, you know, Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott and Steve Young and all those guys. And he had also been to all those Super Bowls with. With Brett Favre and Reggie White and those guys at the Green Bay Packers. So he had a template. Like, he had a. There was no, like, what should we do here? He, like, we got to this. We win the NFC Championship game, we beat Carolina. And then immediately after the game, it was like, the schedules will be in your locker. We'll have a meeting tomorrow. The Schedules will be in your locker right away. Like, they knew, like, they had. They had it down. And I think for us as players, there was just a lot of comfort in that. It was like, you know what, There's a lot to worry about in this situation. Parents, you know, family, tickets, travel, like all the stuff, the actual game. Right. And it was just like this idea of like, coaches got it, like, we're good, the organization's got it, they're going to be first class and all this stuff. And for both these teams, like, I think that is something. They've both recently been in the super bowl, obviously, Andy Reid and these guys, like, they probably don't even have to look up the schedule and what they do. He can. Could probably commit it from memory. So I think for us, you know, the two weeks was a thing as well. And the biggest thing that I would say about that, like you saw, you saw even recently with Sean McVeigh, talk about he had two weeks to prepare for this, for the Patriots in that first super bowl, how he kind of felt like he overcooked it and he was much better the second time around. That was one thing that I certainly felt like. You know, Mike Holmgren did a great job in our, in our, in our super bowl game planning. He was very strict with the coaches, like, in that second week, because you put the game plan in the first week, if you want to put a new play in, fine, but something's got to come out. You know, you get whatever the number was, 282 plays for the game plan, but it's not 283, you know, and so, like, I think there is, there is a, there is something to this two weeks of preparation where you're sort of sharpening the ax and not necessarily just swinging harder.

Jason McIntyre (10:38)

Yeah.

Matt Hasselbeck (10:38)

You know, you're not over trying. And so, you know, this is maybe a wash because these two teams have been there before.

Jason McIntyre (10:45)

They have but one instrumental player, Saquon Barkley. This is his first go round. And I just wonder, for a running back, again, you were a quarterback, but I'm just curious, is he going to be over amped given. Oh, my gosh, Saquon, you come to the Eagles, they're going right back to the Super Bowl.

Matt Hasselbeck (11:01)

Over amped is a good thing for a running back if it's on game day. Over amp during the week. You know, that's where you can feel. Feel exhausted going into the game. And, and I would say if you, if you talk to most people that play in the super bowl, they'll tell you, I didn't know how exhausted from doing media for two weeks straight, you know, talking to people I hadn't talked to or just, you know, all the media availability. I mean it starts tonight and it just kind of goes through and your creatures of habit as an NFL player. But no, I, I think for the running back and you even see it with nick Sirianni and Co. I think they've really coached this season, practice this season. You even see who gets healthy rest days on Wednesday practices during the season they've had. The goal has been this super bowl the whole time. I was pretty vocal and critical even. I thought they should have gone for the rushing record. I thought they should have gone for Eric Dickerson's record. That's a feather in the cap to this great offensive line, this great O line coach. The scheme, the wide receivers blocking the year that Saquon had to Eagles fans like, no, our running back owns that record. And they, and they had a tough decision to make and they said, no, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna sit you. We're going to let that record pass because our ultimate goal is to hoist Lombardi. And you know, I would have personally, I would have liked to have seen to try to do both. But with, with that being said, you know, I think that in their mind they know not to overdo it in practice these next two weeks.

Jason McIntyre (12:28)

You mentioned the Eagles run game and that has been a weakness of the Chiefs defense here late in the season. I, I'm trying to think of the game plan the Eagles may employ. They're not just going to come out and run the ball. Run, run, run, run. Right. I can't imagine that, that, you know, the Chiefs are going to be ready for it.

Matt Hasselbeck (12:43)

I think a lot of times you see those big call sheets that, you know, Andy Reid has his famous. It, you know, looks like the Waffle House menu. You know, it's like it's a huge call sheet and a lot of times you'll see guys notes on there and like in my, in my playing career, a common thing, a common note that play callers will give to themselves, especially someone who's creative in the passing game is something along the lines of make them prove that they can stop the run. Like make them prove it first. Let's, let's just like assume that their gap sound like when they want to blitz our protections or do swim moves on a pass rush. Make them prove that they're going to do that. So no, I do think that's going to be the thing. And I do think that what we've seen in the playoffs, we've seen a ton of home run runs really all season from Saquon. And I heard Bill Belichick talk about this and he nailed it. He absolutely nailed it. And basically what he was saying is like when you say, oh, just stack the box against the run, well, that's no good because once he gets through that first level, it's just the angle of the safety versus Saquon that's deciding an eight yard run to a 68 yard run. And that has really destroyed some defenses this year. So what Belichick was saying, I completely agree. You need to have layers to the defense. So stacking the box is not it like too high with you know like two deep safeties, deep ish safeties, 12 yard safeties, where those guys can be sort of like the actual safeties to protect home runs. That has to be part of the game plan for Kansas.

Jason McIntyre (14:13)

But then isn't it just death by a thousand eight yard runs sort of.

Matt Hasselbeck (14:17)

If you think that Kellen Moore is going to be patient enough and boring enough to not have to feed a hyped up AJ Brown and feed Devonte Smith and feed Dallas Goddard and make sure Jalen hurts feels part of the game. Like you're basically this is an old Romeo Cornell saying, like make them go the long hard way. Like they, they will, they will get creative. And especially like just knowing Kellen Moore, right? Like Kellen Moore is up for a head coaching job. He, this is still an audition for him. He doesn't have that Saints job. He's, you know, you saw Kyle Shanahan in his super bowl when he could have just been boring and run it but like confident in the year that he had, confident in his, you know, MVP quarterback and his great receiver. Like hey, we can, we can be balanced, we can be balanced. That's the way they're going to want, I think Kansas City is going to want them to be throwing the ball. So that'll be interesting to see. But no, I do think, and listen, just even going back to Kellen Moore, knowing who he was as a player, I remember this kid as a high school quarterback in Prosser Washington throwing for like thousands and thousands of yards, beating Team 63 to nothing. His dad was his high school coach. Very aggressive, kind of air raidish vibe as a passer. And then he goes to Boise State, you know, Heisman Trophy candidate Kellen Moore. I mean people forget this. And then he played a couple games in Dallas and threw for like, 400 and something yards and 400 and something yards. He's a passing game guy. So we think of the Eagles as a running team, but trust me, the guy calling the plays in his DNA, what he really is, first and foremost, he wants to throw that ball.

Jason McIntyre (15:52)

By the way, should Saints fans be excited about him? I don't mean to be negative here, but, you know, he kind of got run out of Dallas. We don't know the circumstances, whether it was McCarthy didn't want him. Then he goes to the Chargers, and it was ugly there. And now he goes to the Eagles and it's like, is it Kellen Moore or is it Saquon Barkley?

Matt Hasselbeck (16:07)

I think it's got all kinds of problems right now, but I would just say, like, when you're talking about a coordinator who can build an offense around a special running back, and I think that's what they did. Like, Philly struggled early, like the first month of the season. They were trying to get an identity. They figured it out. Now the Saints have Alvin Camara and Alvin Camara. Like, to me, he's one of the more underrated guys. Like, you can build around Alvin Camara and somebody else. So. But no, this is an audition, right? This is still an audition, and that's what this super bowl is for. For. For a guy like that.

Jason McIntyre (16:38)

All right, let's go to the Chiefs. I don't want to say I'm a Chiefs hater. Chiefs fans don't like that. I've been negative. Listen, they're 15 and 2 this season, but let's be real. The better team you would you agree is the Eagles here. Team everybody. Not just quarterback coach.

Matt Hasselbeck (16:51)

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, they're like. They're the. I've been on the Eagles all year. Like, I love the Eagles. I think the Eagles are strong. There's every reason in the world to love them. Their. Their talent level is high. Their defense is amazing. Got a ton of respect for Vic Fangio. Played against him a bunch. He's a headache, you know, to deal with. Their D line's great. The. You know, the. The weapons. They don't spread it around too much. They got A.J. brown, Devonte, Dallas Goddard. Say, Quan Jalen hurts. Great leader. No, there's. There's all this stuff, but there's. They. It's like Superman.

Jason McIntyre (17:22)

Yeah.

Matt Hasselbeck (17:22)

With Mahomes.

Jason McIntyre (17:23)

That's what an Andy Reid.

Matt Hasselbeck (17:24)

And there's. And, you know, for all the turnover in the NFL, there's been so much continuity in Kansas City. And I, like, you know, a lot of people, like, they don't get success. They fire a coach. They make a change. They do that like. Like learn that lesson from Kansas City. Those guys know each other. Like, I know Matt Nagy went away for a little bit, and Eric B. Enemy left. But, like, really, it's been the same coaching staff, continuity, long time. Yeah. So, you know, again, like, I think, like, you just talk about the. The uniqueness of generational talent with Patrick Mahomes. He's got his guy in Travis Kelce. And then they do have one of the more automatic kickers in the game. They're always in it, so that'll be a tough one to go against. No doubt.

Jason McIntyre (18:04)

And you didn't even mention Spags, really, who is unbelievable. Like, he seems to. At every crucial moment, whether it's against the Niners in overtime, whether it's against the Bills on that fourth down, he seems to know what button to push.

Matt Hasselbeck (18:19)

So we used to call those retirement blitzes. Like, no, literally, that's what. Like, you really shouldn't do that. Like, you should be playing this conservative. And as a quarterback, our coaches, we'd always say, hey, this guy's resume is so strong. Like, if he never coaches another game and he, like, buys a fishing boat and that's it for him. Like, he's good. You can't trust this guy. He might bring a corner blitz on fourth and eight to win the game. He's not afraid of anything. He. He's. He'll dial up a retirement blitz whenever he wants to. And it's much harder to. To go as a quarterback. It's much harder to go up against a guy that, like, well, that doesn't make sense in this situation. But he doesn't care. He's got his super bowl rings as a defensive coordinator. He's good.

Jason McIntyre (19:02)

I just keep coming back to this whole Mahomes versus Brady stuff. I don't. Listen, he's a teammate here. Brady obviously a fox, but he's the goat to me. And even if Mahomes wins three in a row, I can't vault him over Brady yet. Can you listen?

Matt Hasselbeck (19:16)

When I was growing up, it was always Joe Montana. Like, Joe Montana was the guy. And no one's going to be Joe Montana. What he did in Super Bowls, it was just ridiculous, right? It's like no one's ever going to get there. And that was the talk, you know, and there were. There were heroes of mine when I was going to Michael Jordan, Walter Payton, like, these guys that you're Just like, no one's at that level. And what did Brady do? Destroyed it. Like, just. Just unbelievable. Put himself in rare air another place. And I remember I was on tv, I was in the media when Mahomes won his first one. And you know, all these producers, they want to say, oh, can Mahomes get to the Tom Brady level? Can you get those playoff wins? Can he win that many Super Bowls? And I remember a lot of, like, people, you know, I think maybe even Steve Young at the time was like, hey, just chill out. Like this. Let him enjoy his first one. But then you sit and really evaluate the whole thing, and you're like, man, if anyone could do it, like, this guy could do it. And at that time, it just felt like how I felt like growing up about Joe Montana. No one's going to get there. And then Brady, like, no one's going to get there. And here's this guy. You look at how old Patrick Mahomes is, how quarterbacks can play later into their career now, they protect the quarterback in terms of hits and stuff like that. He could definitely get there.

Jason McIntyre (20:25)

So it's almost LeBron versus Jordan ish in, you know, LeBron's not going to catch him in rings, but he has everything else. Mahomes, he's probably not going to have as many rings as Brady. Come on. We would agree with that, right?

Matt Hasselbeck (20:35)

Yeah, yeah, probably. But I'm just saying, like, when I was playing, like, it wasn't even fathomable that someone could even get close. You'd be like, come on, it's ridiculous. Like, no one's getting there. It's kind of like, like Cal Ripken's streak, you know, like. Or Brett Favre street of, like, you know, consecutive games. Like, well, no one's getting there. But, you know, once upon a time, like, or once a generation, like, someone comes along and like, they. They make a run at it, and there's no doubt who that guy is. It's. It's Mahomes. And I would even say, like, you know, Andy Reid and some of these coaches, like, they're. They're coaching and like, hey, people want to talk to Andy Reid. Like, hey, when are you going to retire? He is never going to retire. If 15's his quarterback, like, who would do that? Nobody.

Jason McIntyre (21:16)

Two more. So you played for Pete Carroll. Obviously he now has the Raiders job. I'm sure you saw the news over the weekend. Chipping Kelly is headed to the Raiders. That's. That's a major steal. I think that's a great Hire.

Matt Hasselbeck (21:28)

It's huge. Yeah. I mean, I love Pete Carroll. You know, Colin talks a lot about, like, if you're hiring a coach, would you hire an X's and O's guy? Or would you hire a kind of a culture builder? And one of the best culture builders in the history of the game is Pete Carroll. Like, he did it at usc, did it in Seattle. He learned from his sort of early mistakes with the jets and the Patriots and became an amazing culture builder. And, you know, he's got a ton of respect and as do I for Chip Kelly. You know, Chip Kelly was the head coach here at ucla. My son committed to play for. Chip Kelly, got a tremendous amount of respect. Chip Kelly basically gave a big middle finger to the college football, you know, nil transfer portal. Like, just screw up that, you know, the ncaa and his opinion has had and said, I'm getting out of here. Like, I don't want. I don't want any part of this. I just want to coach football. I don't want to deal with all the other stuff. I want to get to the NFL. He didn't have a window. Bill O'Brien leaves Ohio State late to become the head coach at Boston College. And what happens? Chip Kelly gets to go just install his offense, call plays, and they win the national championship for Ryan Day. And I think football people understand they have a ton of respect for, you know, yes, the, the tempo and the passing game and all that stuff that he was at Oregon, but he is a, like kind of an old school. Pull a guard, pull a tackle, we're running trap misdirection. And, you know, if you're going to build it from the ground up foundationally with the run game, Pete Carroll clearly feels like he's the guy. And I think other people would agree.

Jason McIntyre (22:57)

Obviously, they don't have a quarterback in. No disrespect, Aiden O'Connell, Purdue guy, but I'm curious, do you think Sam Darnold would fit? Do you think maybe they make a play for Kirk Cousins? Assuming the Falcons want to move off? Like, what do you think Pete and Chip would want at quarterback?

Matt Hasselbeck (23:12)

I think with Pete now, obviously Tom Brady's involved as well.

Jason McIntyre (23:15)

Yes.

Matt Hasselbeck (23:15)

You know, but like, my experiences with Pete, I think Pete wants to kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer. At certain positions, quarterback has to be one. Go back to what he did when he got to Russell Wilson. Right. He had paid Tavares Jackson a ton of money. They signed, went out and find Matt Flynn to like the largest free agent contract of anybody that year, and then they drafted a third rounder in Russell Wilson. I don't think Pete cared which one of those guys was going to become his starter. I don't think he cared. He wanted. He loves this word. Compete, compete, compete, compete in everything we do. And let's see, like, who rises to the top in this kind of a situation. And so, like, I. I do believe in this, in a, you know, the. The money has to be a factor, right? But, like, I would not be surprised if he does the same thing. Kills a mosquito with a sledgehammer. Free agency drafts a guy, maybe someone that he already knows from his past, like, all of it. But again, he's also not a guy that believes it needs to be built just around the quarterback. He built that legion of boom before he went and got his qb.

Jason McIntyre (24:19)

So I don't know if they have enough pieces and the division to compete. Like, they're still probably a couple years away. I mean, Broncos probably pull back a little.

Matt Hasselbeck (24:27)

Listen, there's. There are people who know Pete. They're going to want to coach for Pete, they're going to want to play for Pete. And there's something about that Raiders brand. It matters.

Jason McIntyre (24:35)

But didn't. Didn't they say the same about Antonio Pierce? Remember, like, Max Crosby, and then we're going to Devonte Adams. We must keep him.

Matt Hasselbeck (24:42)

You got to have the support. You got to have the support to go and invest in the quarterback position. I don't think that that's something that the Las Vegas Raiders ever did. If you don't have the quarterback, it's hard to be successful. And it felt like they were always pushing that. You kind of kicking that can down the road. But no, I. Listen, you know how I feel about Chip. I think I've made that clear. But in terms of Pete Carroll coming in day one, culture building, it's going to be, hey, here's our goal. We're going to maximize the ability that we have. And maybe it's not year one that they're able to do some damage, but they're going to build a foundation for doing damage in the future.

Jason McIntyre (25:15)

Do you have a Super bowl pick or you want to hold off on that?

Matt Hasselbeck (25:16)

Yeah, I mean, I prefer to hold off, but I would just say, like, everything as you study it, everything that matters points to the Eagles. Everything. Great defense, you run the ball, you have great, you know, weapons outside. You've got a quarterback who's steady, been there, done it. Aside from one fumble, he'd have a Super bowl ring of his own. But like just look at kind of like through the years of what Brady. There's an X factor that the Chiefs have. And so I think it would be really, really hard to go against the Chiefs, even though everything in your brain is telling you Philly should be that team. Yeah, we'll see. I will say this though.

Jason McIntyre (25:51)

That sounds like a Chiefs pick. America, I would say.

Matt Hasselbeck (25:53)

I would say. But listen, the, the story of all the playoffs has been what, turnover, specifically fumbles. And the, it's not a round ball, special teams, great players, not having a great day. It happens. One of the things I learned from Pete Carroll and this was a Kobe Bryant thing. You can absolutely try too hard in a big moment in a big game and it doesn't make sense at first, but like if you try too hard, you can actually play worse. And that's why Pete, one of his culture things is like I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's rock, paper, scissors for per diem. This is everything we do as a competition and a championship mindset. So when you get in that big game, this is just what we do. And that's how I feel about Patrick Mahomes sometimes in terms of those big moments, this is just what we do.

Jason McIntyre (26:40)

Matt Hasselbeck, former three time Pro bowl quarterback. Great stuff. Thank you, Matt. Coming up next here on the Herd, we'll go to Herdline News.

Colin Cowherd (26:48)

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Jason McIntyre (31:28)

Back here on the herd, Jason McIntyre, pinch hitting for Colin Cowherd. Good stuff from Matt Hasselbeck. We had Rachel Nichols earlier. We will. We just got word. Rick Bucher, NBA analyst here at Fox Sports. I don't want to say he's a LeBron hater, but he, him and LeBron have had some beef over the years. Rick's going to talk to us about the LeBron Luca union in LA. Oh, it's an exciting time. Let's go to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

Ryan Music (32:00)

All right, J. Mack, obviously a lot going on in the NBA, but we'll do the breaking news in the NFL. A lot of speculation about Myles Garrett's future with the Browns. Well, he put out a statement today officially requesting a trade out of Cleveland, citing his quote, desire to win and compete on the biggest stages. Now, there is a report that despite this request, the Browns might not be looking to move Garrett. And the Browns would have to take $36 million in dead cat money if they end up trading Garrett. How do you, how do you see this playing out as potential landing spots for Mil Garrett?

Jason McIntyre (32:36)

If I'm the Browns, I, I say that we're not trading him, but of course you got to trade him. He wants out. And frankly, the Browns have been pretty bad. You know, Stevenski is a great coach, but the desean Watson experiment's been terrible. I was trying to come up with some landing spots during the break. We talked to. I forget who it was. Hasselbeck Or Rachel. I think the Rams could be a player. I think Washington makes a ton of sense. But you, as a Bengals fan, will be thrilled when Miles Garrett leaves the division. He. He's causing Joe Burrow some heartache and scary moments there, huh?

Ryan Music (33:09)

That's right. Yeah. Getting him out of the division will certainly make those offensive line issues seem a lot less glaring twice a year when you have to face up against someone like Miles Garrett.

Matt Hasselbeck (33:18)

Yeah.

Ryan Music (33:19)

In terms of other teams, you know, I also wonder. We know the Lions will get Aiden Hutchinson back, but was a significant injury, so. And I also don't think you could ever have too many pass rushers in the NFL, especially in the NFC north there or staying in the NFC North. Maybe a sneaky Green Bay Packers.

Jason McIntyre (33:37)

Oh.

Ryan Music (33:38)

Last time they took a big swing on a defensive player like that. Reggie White, Charles woods.

Matt Hasselbeck (33:43)

Every once in a while.

Ryan Music (33:44)

It's out of their nature. Not really something they do consistently, but the times they have done it seems to pay off in the long run.

Jason McIntyre (33:53)

We're mentioning all NFC teams because if you're the Browns, you don't want to see Miles Garrett, certainly not in the division and certainly not like blocking your path to get to a Super bowl, should you be there in a couple years. So. Yeah. What about like an Arizona Cardinals? I don't know what they have going on. I saw some people speculating the Niners, but yeah, Bosa's always hurt. Sure, it's a tough one, but Miles Garrett's gonna certainly command something. And I don't think you keep him if he wants out, hey, you know, we'll trade you. Yeah.

Ryan Music (34:23)

The AFC teams feel a little bit more complicated to pin down because you think about like, okay, who are these young, up and coming kind of teams? Obviously, the Chargers had a surprising season. They're probably going to try and get rid of Joey Bosa. Are they really going to replace him? Same thing. You know, the Denver Broncos, who had a great season and a great defense. Again, can you have too many pass rushers? No. But do you really need to add there or are you looking to maybe add more pieces to build around Bo Nix on the offensive side of the ball? Baltimore Ravens, obviously, I don't think. Not only do they want to avoid the afc, they certainly don't want him in division. So to your point, doesn't seem like the AFC has too many clear landing spots. The greatest if they end up going that direction. Well, this weekend's super bowl on Fox, we have Mahomes and the Chiefs looking to secure the NFL's first three peat. Mahomes is prepping for his fifth Super bowl in the last six years. And when he was asked if there's anything about this team that separates them from the rest, here's what he had to say.

Matt Hasselbeck (35:20)

This team's been special because it's been everybody.

Jason McIntyre (35:22)

I mean, you look at our entire season, it's like someone that makes a.

Colin Cowherd (35:25)

Big play at the biggest moment to go out there and win a football.

Jason McIntyre (35:28)

Game if that's offense, defense or special teams. And so I think the fact that.

Colin Cowherd (35:32)

It'S been everybody is not just offense.

Jason McIntyre (35:33)

It'S not just defense, it's everybody on.

Matt Hasselbeck (35:35)

The entire team is something I'll remember.

Colin Cowherd (35:37)

This season by and hopefully we can.

Jason McIntyre (35:39)

Do it the right way and get this final win.

Ryan Music (35:41)

Also, don't forget to catch us live from New Orleans Thursday and Friday at noon Eastern on FS1. Then check out our Super bowl special Friday 4 Eastern on Fox.

Jason McIntyre (35:49)

Yeah, big, big week. Last time the Eagles and Chiefs met, it was Kaderius Toney. Remember, he had two elected plays including the punt return that got them into it. Who's your guy for the Chiefs? I guess Kareem Hunt. Noah Gray, could he make an appearance that the number two tight end?

Ryan Music (36:07)

I think what we know about the Chiefs is we actually don't know who it's going to be until the actual game just based off of. I mean, would you be surprised if DeAndre Hopkins has a turn back the clock game and goes for 110 and two touchdowns?

Jason McIntyre (36:20)

Yeah.

Ryan Music (36:20)

Then that's what's interesting about this Chiefs team is you have the balance between roster and team construction versus collection of talent. By the standard of collection of talent, they don't come anywhere close to being maybe even one of the best teams in the league this year. As you've liked to point out along the way. And they may or may not have proven you wrong time and time again. But in terms of team construction, the balance is unquestionable. I mean from what they're able to do on defense with a lot of those young pieces around, Chris Jones anchoring in the middle of the defense there and then on offense, I mean it all works because Mahomes elevates the receivers. Anywhere else, it's a bottom receiving group in the league. Kansas City. It's maybe their third straight Super Bowl.

Jason McIntyre (37:09)

Yeah, I wish I had in hindsight asked Hasselbeck like about a game plan. Is there any idea during the week, hey, we see this on film. Hollywood Brown, get ready. You can cook. Either the young kid Mitchell or, or whoever you're matched up against like this. Do they see that during the week on film and say, hey, this is potentially a Hollywood Brown game? I don't know.

Ryan Music (37:30)

I mean, listen, like you, you've already seen it change from they just gave Travis Kelce all the targets, made him the focal of the offense and their first game against the Houston Texans and then against the Buffalo Bills more of an afterthought again. Yeah, so I, you know, you can read the film or watch the film as much as you'd like. Doesn't mean that Andy Reid and Mahomes haven't come up with something different.

Jason McIntyre (37:52)

I'm so sick of these guys. Damn Chiefs.

Ryan Music (37:55)

Well, at least. Oh wait, no, actually they could keep going for years after this.

Jason McIntyre (37:59)

3, 5, 6.

Ryan Music (38:01)

This is not a last dance type situation. All right. The Raiders, though, are in the early stages of Pete Carroll's new regime and have reportedly made a splashy hire. According to Adam Schefter, Chip Kelly will leave Ohio State after just one season to become the Raiders new offensive coordinator. And according to Albert Brear, Chip Kelly is now going to be the highest paid coordinator in the league at 6 million per year, doubling the previous highest paid quarter coordinator. Excuse me, in Todd Monkin, who was at 3 million. You like this higher?

Jason McIntyre (38:30)

I like this a lot. Remember, I was speculating could Ryan Day and Chip Kelly be a package somewhere? And now Chip Kelly goes to the Raiders. I mean, listen, he was great at Ohio State. They were an awesome watch in the playoffs. Just don't watch a Michigan tape. We do have some Raiders fans on the staff here. I haven't asked them how geek they are. But Ryan, I mean Chip Kelly proven winner. Pete Carroll proven winner. Oh yeah, like they could make some noise. It could be interesting this year.

Ryan Music (38:56)

Oh, certainly. I mean look, when you if from Vegas's perspective to go from Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly and then we'll see a lot of mox have them getting Shador Sanders falling a bit in the draft. I mean those three moves, that's a win of an offseason. No doubt about it. Now, again, the division is just an absolute juggernaut. So it's hard to say that they're somehow going to go from the four or five win team to, you know, 10 plus. But Colin knew with the Broncos that they were a team that could quickly go from not close to contending to a playoff spot. So if you feel good about Shador Sanders as an NFL prospect and then you have great coordinator on the offense to help develop him, and then we know Pete Carroll can set the culture wouldn't be totally out of the question.

Jason McIntyre (39:49)

Yeah, it's interesting. Ohio State has two good backs, Henderson and Judkins, who are coming to the draft. I the Raiders run game situation, when they lost Josh Jacobs, it was bleak. They were starting like Amir Abdullah. I would almost guarantee in round two or three they're going to grab one of the Ohio State guys. They almost have to. They need a run game, they need a quarterback. I don't know. I know Collins calling his shot with the Patriots next year. I can't get there with the Raiders, but I definitely like the foundation that they've got.

Ryan Music (40:18)

Definitely heading in the right direction. We wrap up with this. We were talking about the Raiders there and after Pete Carroll was brought into Vegas, rumors were circulating that there could be a reunion between Peatons. Russell Wilson, who's a pending free agent, but he sidestepped questions about the Raiders at the Pro bowl, saying, I'm looking forward to hopefully being back with the Steelers and we'll see what happens with the rest. I love it in Pittsburgh. How do you feel about a potential Russ in Vegas or where do you think Russ ends up next season?

Jason McIntyre (40:50)

I, I guess I'll stick with Russ in Pittsburgh, but I don't think they're going to be as good as last year.

Colin Cowherd (40:55)

Ryan.

Jason McIntyre (40:55)

I just, I don't see it. Some smoke and mirrors early in the season. Reality set in. They struggled at the end, bounced in the playoffs. I, I, I, I just can't make a case that Russ is going to get them to 10 or 11, 12 wins again. Almost more interesting is Justin Fields.

Ryan Music (41:13)

Sure.

Jason McIntyre (41:13)

Is he coveted? Like, I don't know. Is he coveted as a backup? Does he get a shot as a starter somewhere? Aren't many, aren't many chairs left to be a starter. But yeah, I'm happy for Russ if he's happy, you know.

Ryan Music (41:25)

Yeah, certainly. I mean, look, I get why for Russ, he looks at it and goes, I'm much better off in Pittsburgh. I mean the infrastructure of where they're at as opposed to what is going to be considered a semi rebuild going on in Vegas doesn't mean his chances of success are very high in the immediate future. And as he where he's at in his career, he's not looking for a three year rebuild. He's looking to hopefully continue building where he's at. I just don't know if like you're Pittsburgh, are you really feeling great about.

Jason McIntyre (41:58)

Bringing Russ back at the right price?

Ryan Music (42:02)

I mean, at the right price, like he, I think it was basically like the veterans minimum.

Jason McIntyre (42:06)

Yeah.

Ryan Music (42:07)

So I. The price can't go any lower.

Jason McIntyre (42:09)

So what, he would give 20 mil, 20 mil a year? Or is he scoffing at that because he would be one of the lowest paid quarterbacks in the league? Yeah.

Ryan Music (42:16)

I just don't see how you go.

Jason McIntyre (42:17)

Much higher than that. I know there's like not a case for that now. Is there a world where they would be interested in Kirk Cousins? Although Kirk Cousins, I don't know what he's got left in the table.

Colin Cowherd (42:28)

Yeah.

Ryan Music (42:28)

I couldn't go there with Kurt just because he. You had a good situation in Atlanta playing in a dome, and it fell off quick. So if. Now you're going to take him, I mean, he hasn't had. He played in a dome in Minnesota and then in Atlanta for that short time. So, like, I don't know if at this point in his career, based off of how we saw it finish, that all of a sudden you want him to just go weather the elements of.

Jason McIntyre (42:54)

An AFC north division, brutal division with those pass rushes. Oh, yeah. All right, Ryan. Music with the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. All right, we got Mark Sanchez in the final hour. Gonna talk super bowl week. Sanchez, he never got there, but he got to two AFC championships. You know, he's a Jets guy, so I'm obviously a big fan. And as I said, Rick Bucher at the top of the hour will be back here on the Herd after a break.

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Rachel Nichols (49:39)

What we do know is that yes, there have been conditioning issues with him over the years. The idea that he might be perennially unavailable, whether he was sort of flouting team rules, whether there was a bit of sort of, hey, we've asked you to do this and you've refused time and time and time again. Whether it's the arguing with officials that they've asked him to tone down and that has actually cost his team specific losses that you can point to. If you add all of that stuff over all the years. I personally would still not trade Luka Doncic. The idea of trading a 25 year old who really isn't even in his prime yet, you are a betting against the next 10 years of Lucas future. That is a heavy bet to make with a guy who has frankly been a prodigy since he was 11 years old.

Jason McIntyre (50:24)

You know, I saw someone compare this. You guys have seen the movie the Big Short. I know Coward loves that movie. Essentially, the Dallas Mavericks are shorting Luka Doncic right now. They're decided, hey, we're out of the Luka business. We think it's going to be all downhill from here. He got to the finals once, but he just refuses to get in shape. And again, we're not in the building. Nobody is. But we don't know how ugly it's gotten. Here's my guess though. If it were really ugly, like Luca showing up with a 12 pack of beer or, you know, a rack of ribs trying to like pig out in the locker room. If it were that bad, I'm sure some players would have said something to their agent and it would have leaked out. We haven't seen reports of like a gluttonous Luka Donc is just being really unhealthy and unsavory. Like, I don't know, I just, I don't totally get it. That being said, the Lakers getting Luca may have just been the first domino. What do they have next? Rachel Nichols also chimed in on what the Lakers could be planning next.

Rachel Nichols (51:22)

I mean, they're in a great position to make another move now, right? Because before it was, oh, I don't know. Do you get rid of Austin Reeves because of what he means to the team right now? Now? Well, you don't. You don't need that anymore because you have Luka Doncic. And so I think that they are much more flexible. They still have a first round pick to give out. There is no question a they need a center presence and they need a defensive center because the downside of this trade that the Lakers just made is that they might score 200 points a game, but the other team might score 230. So, you know, they have got to get a strong defensive presence in the middle. And I expect them to go out and do that because they have. Have assets now.

Jason McIntyre (51:59)

It is interesting how the NBA trade deadline usually lines up with super bowl week. I remember being in Arizona, I think it was two years ago, we had the super bowl and I had left a party and I was in an Uber and my phone just starts, you know, buzzing with just a torrent of text. And Kevin Durant had been traded to the Suns and it was like, oh, my gosh, Katie got. Wow, that's crazy. So you guys know I pay attention to the NBA and NFL very closely. And one of the things that I try my best to do is kind of read between the lines. What are the reporters really saying? We know when like Schefter and these guys put stuff out there, they're saying what they can, but there's other stuff that they've been told not to say. They're holding back. As a reporter, you don't unload everything that you have. And one of the things I'd been detecting in the NBA for about two weeks now is some every a lot of teens. It started with the Steph Curry stuff. Hey, let's keep our powder dry for the summer. We don't know who could become available. And I heard this from several different either teams or reporters. And I'm like, well, I looked around, I'm like, who the hell are they talking about? Luca didn't even cross my mind. And I don't think anybody thought it was Luca, but the guy I kept coming back to was Kevin Durant. And this is NBA trade deadline week. It sounds like this Luca thing is going to be a springboard. Within 24 hours, the spurs said, let's go get this dear. And Fox deal done. They got him, folks. This Jimmy Butler stuff keeps getting ugly in Miami. Apparently Miami wants nothing to do with Bradley Beal. Milwaukee wants nothing to do with Bradley Beal in like a reroute 3 team trade.

Colin Cowherd (53:36)

Thing.

Jason McIntyre (53:37)

I keep coming back to it. I talked about on my podcast last week Kevin Durant as potentially a big name that could be on the move. The producers did tell me during the last commercial break, hey, there's some Kevin Durant stuff bubbling up. I'm just saying, the NBA is wacky, wild, Kool Aid style. I love it. I love all of this player movement, guys, unhappy inner, internal suspensions, absolute chaos. That's kind of an environment I like to think I thrive in, although I probably don't. I just. I'm excited. So Rick Bucher will be here at the top of the hour. We will chop up what happened, what's next, all of that. Do the Lakers have more ammo? I want them to keep Austin Reaves, but I would understand if he gets shipped our number three coming up. Hi, I'm Arturo Castro, and I've been lucky enough to do stuff like Broad City and Narcos and Roadhouse. And now I'm starting a podcast because honestly, guys, I don't feel the space is crowded enough. Get ready for Greatest Escapes, a new comedy podcast about the wildest true escape stories in history. Each week, I'll be sitting down with some of the most hilarious actors and writers and comedians. People like Ed Helms, Diane Guerrero, and Joseph Gordon Levitt.

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