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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Hasselbeck
Weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon.
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday. We are live In Chicago. It's the herd. I am back, Jason off my bicycle from Copenhagen. Beautiful country.
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J. Mac
Good to have you back, man.
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Matt Hasselbeck
It's great to be back.
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J. Mac
Hey, by the way, you want to tell the audience I was texting you while you were in Europe all lots of important stuff happening around here so.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I had to there is rest now tomorrow, mandatory minicamps in the NFL. So they got keep your eye on Cleveland is very fascinating. That's all I'm going to say. Everybody makes bets. You can sit on the fence on this. My bet is Shedeur is going to start at some point in the NFL season. There are people all over the Internet, former NFL scouts. He's going to be a bust. He can't play.
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J. Mac
There's got to be a middle ground. Colin like yeah, he may start but Kevin Savinski doesn't love him this thing. He's going to be a bust. Like come on. We don't know. That's a bit much.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right. Matt Hasselbeck's around the corner first though on a Monday. Haven't been here for a while. Colin right?
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Colin Cowherd
Colin wrong where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, this Tyrese Halliburton is the most overrated player is nonsense. First of all, I think he has one of the highest IQs and EQs I have seen from a modern point guard. 13 of 15 times this year under 2 minutes when he could tie or take the lead, he hit the shot. That's ins. That is all time. That's better than Steph Curry. So I never bought into this. I'm not surprised they stole a game in Oklahoma City. I don't think they're as good as okc. I don't think they'll win the series. But this idea, this guy even sniffs overrated. I'll make the argument he is the most underrated player the last two years in the NBA. And tip of the cap to J. Mac, who spotted it over two years.
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Colin Cowherd
Ago where Collin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I thought Aaron Rodgers was too smart to sign with the Steelers because I don't think it's a good fit. I think it's a defensive first organization with an offensive coordinator he's not familiar with. They lost their left tackle, they've struggled in pass protect. They've got no Najee Harris and it's a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson four times a year minimum. So I listen. I thought he had better offers. I thought he would land a better offer and I thought this was a. This was a spot that won't end well.
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Colin Cowherd
But I'm wrong where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Ross Tucker, somebody whose opinion I trust is reporting. The Vikings do have concerns with JJ McCarthy. McCarthy, quote, no matter what they say about JJ, they wanted Sam Darnold back and they weren't going to get Darnold, so they wanted Daniel Jones back. As much as they're, quote, sold on JJ McCarthy, they've got some doubts. So remember, he missed valuable time not only playing but practicing last year because of his surgeries. And I've said it before, he reminds me of an Alabama quarterback. His last two years at Michigan, he played with a great run game. He didn't have to throw much with poor protection. He had the best coach in every game he played and he had the lead for 90% of it and an unbelievable ground game in defense. I just don't know if he's built to come from behind. Throw 43 times a game, which you have to invariably do, especially in the.
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Colin Cowherd
NFC north where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I'm surprised the Knicks fired Tom Thibodeau. Yeah, he's not the most creative guy offensively, but that's why you build a staff. He built the culture they defend. They're tough, they're smart, they're physical. The issues the Knicks had to me are personnel issues. Brunson's not a great defender, so they can struggle. Having he and Cat on the floor at the same time, that's not really a Tibbs issue. I think the NBA is about steps and the process and they need to make another tweak. I'd move off KD and bring in. I'd move into KD and off Cat, but I don't think firing him was.
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Colin Cowherd
The answer where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
As much as I love the NBA, I said this finals would be a ratings whiff and it has been a clunker. Listen, it's a series for die hards only. The market size isn't great. Halliburton is not really a known entity in America. Even though he's a fascinating player, OKC style aesthetically is not appealing. And sga, again, he's great. He's productive, he's efficient. He's not necessarily dynamic or fascinating. So the ratings are bad for this final. Even though it's a die hard final. You can't be a basketball casual and be into this. But I do think Indiana is going to win more games in this series.
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Colin Cowherd
And it goes at least six Where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I thought Aunt Edwards of Minnesota was about ready to grab the mantle as face of the league, but he really struggled. Two things are true. You can really get him off his game if you force him, trap him, double him and force him to make quick basketball decisions. He is still fundamentally too young. He's not a refined player. He had way too many turnovers. Almost as many turnovers as assists against. OK see he shot 28% from three and they just forced a really young, still developing star to make fast quick decisions in the half court. And he's not quite there yet.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm wrong where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I've been saying the NIL is going to save college basketball. And Real Madrid and Barcelona reportedly are considering shutting down their youth academies in Europe. And that's where most of the good players are in Europe that are 17, 18, 19 years old. Why? Because American college basketball programs Nil money is greater than Europe can afford. And so you're seeing Auburn brought back their star guard. They paid him more than he can make in the NBA. Cooper flag made 8 million a year at Duke and now Illinois is going to have five European starters. American basketball programs may shut down some of the great academies in Europe because they're buying the best European players. Not to mention like the Auburn guard, many of the good college players are staying in college for another year. So college football didn't need saving. College basketball did and I predicted it.
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Colin Cowherd
The NIL is going to deliver where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I thought the Dodgers roster was all time stuff but in their last 22 games they're under 500. Their pitching staff, injuries, they're decimated for the third to fourth straight year. Do they have to clean house on the pitching coaching staff? Like what is happening with the staff. They're only one game ahead of the Padres and the giants over that 22 game skid 5th worst team ERA Glassnow and Snell among 14 Dodger pitchers still.
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Colin Cowherd
On the IL where Colin was right finally.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Oh for years I have told been lectured by American soccer fans. The United States men's national team will flourish. They only get an elite coach. Well they hired Mauricio Folger. He is brilliant. And they've lost three straight and the gold cups around the corner. Now Turkey's pretty good. It's okay to lose the Turkey two to one but I keep hearing my entire life from every young American soccer fan, it's the coach that's the problem. And I keep saying maybe we've overvalued our players. Their grit, their focus, their toughness, our academy system. Maybe it's that and not always the coach. So they bring in a brilliant Coach who was lauded for his success in Europe. We've lost three straight and kind of, you know, kind of limping into the Gold Cup. Are we not calling right, Calling wrong on a Monday? All right. Matt Hasselbeck. I don't know if Matt played soccer. Were you a soccer guy? Matt Hasselblad, were you a soccer guy?
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Colin Cowherd
Everyone in America starts in soccer. What do you. I mean, everybody. You find me someone who did not start in soccer. I think that's just what everybody does. Guys, girls, everybody. First sport.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right. Well, Aaron Rodgers, you called it. You never had any doubts you didn't want to hear?
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Colin Cowherd
I think I called it on June 9th, actually, didn't I? Did I say June?
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Matt Hasselbeck
You did. By the way. I don't look. So you were right. I don't love it as a fit. I thought Minnesota would be better. What do you make of the fit?
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Colin Cowherd
For who? I mean, yeah, for him. Like, he probably likes Minnesota. They've had an incredible off season. They did a great job in free agency. They were a 14 win season, 14 win team last year. But Minnesota's taken the longer view of this. I think, you know, I think their original plan was Sam Darnold. They kicked the tires on Aaron Rodgers, they considered Daniel Jones and they said, you know what, we've got a maybe like at least a three year window here. We've got a bunch of guys we've added to our team who are in like their 30s. 31, 32, that range, 29. Like, let's take an approach at this. We believe in our coach. You saw what he did with Sam Darnold, who was a backup the previous year. We really believe in JJ McCarthy and I think that they basically said no to some good quarterbacks to say yes to this guy because of what they've seen in the building. He had a great red shirt season. As Kevin o' Connell said.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, the, you know, the thing with Aaron and I and I had Talked to some GMs about this is that there's a story now that he was willing to give the Rams a massive discount and they passed that. Adam Schefter said Aaron was the third choice for the Steelers. I know Aaron and Adam aren't close, but be that as it may, I trust Adam Schefter. You have stories about Minnesota, said, we're going to go with J.J. mcCarthy, Ross Tucker, somebody who's got strong opinions and well connected. Like, they got questions about JJ and I talked to a couple general managers over the last year about Aaron and they said, you know, quirky is for kickers. We don't love our quarterbacks to be quirky or our coaches. Jerry Glanville was quirky as a coach and I feel like Aaron's aging like a quirky quarterback would, where the teams that he really was interested in, according to reporters I trust, weren't that interested in him. Do you think that's just age or some of his quirkiness?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, listen, to answer your first question, it is a good fit. I do believe Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers is a really good fit. And I told you before, the veteran quarterback market is like musical chairs. There's not a lot of chairs. Music stops. You know, all you need is one chair. But there were maybe two chairs and then at the end there was probably one chair. This is the only team that he could go to. Mike Tomlin is well respected by veteran NFL quarterbacks. Who he was as a defensive coach, who he is as a leader. The other part of this I think is Arthur Smith. I think Arthur Smith is a little bit misunderstood as a coach. I played on teams with Arthur Smith as a coach. He is beloved. He is well respected. He was on the defensive side of the ball as a coach when I started in Tennessee, he was there. Then he was on the offensive side. You got to kind of connect the dots on resume as well. Arthur Smith was on staff and replaced Matt LaFleur in Tennessee when he got his first start as an offensive coordinator, first opportunity. So like the thing for a veteran quarterback, you don't want to go in and like learn some foreign language. He's not going to have to do that with Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith, although people think of him as like run the damn ball all the time, I'm not adaptable. I believe he's very adaptable. At the same time, I think Aaron Rodgers needs to be adaptable to be a run first quarterback. Like that was the plan in New York with the Jets. It never really happened. So I think that this is a good fit. Aaron Rodgers has the weapons, the quirkiness, as you say, it's okay in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is the kind of organization that can handle it. I think they're going to thrive from it. I think this is a good fit for a lot of reasons and kind of look out, I think look out for this team, look out for this offense.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Okay. So when I was over bicycling in Copenhagen, you know, living the life.
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Colin Cowherd
Are you wearing a helmet? I just need to know.
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Matt Hasselbeck
No, I was not, by the way. May have had a Heineken in my hand. I was fascinated by Shador Sanders, but I was really fascinated with. Was the dexterity of the reporting. There was, he looks great. Dylan Gabriel is lost.
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Jason McIntyre
Shador.
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Matt Hasselbeck
And there was just, you can tell people are taking sides and people, you know, listen, boxing matches have three different judges. Three different people can see three different fights. So, but that's, that's, that's OTAs now. Veterans show up. It's mandatory minicamp. That's a whole different ball game. And veterans are intimidating, veterans are demanding. Veterans are a better comp as to what you're playing against. You give me a thought on what, what, what will I need to see at a Shador Sanders because I'm on the camp that he was underdrafted and that he can play. I could be completely wrong. What will you look for from the reporting, from the video? What matters at that minicamp with veterans now sitting next to you in the locker room?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it matters more. I mean, earning the respect of the vets in the room is important. But for me to answer your question, what matters more is how a quarterback plays when he is live. You know, so usually quarterbacks, you know, they wear a different color jersey, like a red jersey or something like that. You sit in the pocket, you're cool, you're comfortable, you're calm. How do you play when that jersey is off and you're where you're basically live for the defense to take a shot. That, that to me is a better sense of like when you grade somebody. It's not like what I'm doing in quarterback, individual hopping around bags, throwing to receivers or running backs or tight ends on air with no defense, no consequences. You know, to me, I don't know when you get that now because we've kind of lowered the number of preseason games that we play. There aren't as many reps to go around with all the quarterbacks in the room. So I think you're going to maybe adj. I don't know when you're gonna get it. You know, like some people are trying to manufacture that with joint practices and that kind of thing. But, but a lot of this is going to be conjecture and kind of what you think a guy is going to be like when the lights turn on. That's when you go back to the college tape for toughness, grit, some of that stuff, certainly stuff that he showed when he was at Colorado.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So it doesn't bother me that Lamar Jackson missed OTAs because Lamar and John Harbaugh are linked. They know each other. He knows the personnel, he knows A flowers, Derek Henry. And I think he's probably got a little chip on his shoulder about his current pay structure. I also think he wins 76% of his starts. I've never questioned his work ethic. I think Lamar is completely committed, but there are those that'll push back and go, well, you were tough on Aaron Rodgers and like, well, the jets were different. It was a new team. His best player, Garrett Wilson, was a kid. Like, I kind of feel like with Lamar in Baltimore, it doesn't bother me. Should it?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it bothers me that he's leaving $750,000 in a roster bonus on the table. Just like, ah, that hurts. I heard for you, man. I don't, I don't know. Like, figure it out. Go, go lift some weights in Baltimore. Could it be that bad? I mean, shoot, what are they doing that you don't want to be there? Is Miami that fun? I don't know. But no, listen, much like Aaron Rodgers didn't think he needed to be there till, till June 9th, I kind of grew up in that same thing. It was great for me as the backup quarterback of the Green Bay packers to develop the younger roster that Brett Favre never showed up in the off season. It actually, I believe, kind of strengthened the team, strengthen the backup roles. You've seen backup quarterbacks like Tyler Huntley, like, actually come in and play pretty well when called upon. Yeah, at times for Baltimore. So I, you know, for me it's a little bit of this, like if I'm Jim Harbaugh and the Ravens, I'm like, you know what? Kind of like Brett Favre back in the day with Mike Holmgren. Lamar, you're not here. You're not going to get hurt. You're going to show up ready to go. You're going to be the MVP candidate that you are every year. I'm not necessarily worried about it. Hey, quarterback room, let's see if you can develop and be, be a leader. Would I like him there? Sure, I'd like him there. But ultimately I think you can look at a glass half full on something like this. And, and, and Lamar is Lamar. He's kind of one of one. A lot of people say, like, oh, this guy's like Lamar. There's nobody else like Lamar. He's, he's special.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know, I, I think it's interesting the, the one player drafted, it wasn't a particularly strong draft in any position. Cam Ward fascinates me. I like his journey. He was a no star quarterback. I like that he transferred Every time I've seen him at the podium, totally focused, all ball, all the time. Again, it's OTAs. Every report is God. And by the way, he was accurate in college. He could do a little hero ball. But tell me, take me through. So you come in and you're 22, 23 years old and Tennessee has not been great at quarterback. And here come all the veterans into camp tomorrow and was it harder for you when you were 28, 32, 33, 34. And here comes the kid to take over the culture. Is that a weird vibe as Cam Ward? Because they need him to be a 12 year veteran, they need him to run the show and I think he's capable of it. Is that always been maybe in Green Bay, when the youngest guy in the locker room is asked to be the leader, is that a weird feeling or do players, do veteran players look at it and go, it's quarterback? The kid's smart, he's talented, I'm watching him. Let's go all in.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. What veteran players respect is excellence. I remember Bill Cower speaking at my rookie symposium and he nailed it. And it was really about like, how, how much can we count on you to do your job? How hard are you going to work? And listen, Colin, at the end of my career, I was 40 years old. I was backing up a young quarterback, the first overall pick, also named Andrew Luck. He was the hardest worker in the building. He was the first guy there. He was the last guy to leave. And like, those aren't just cliche things. That was like actually legitimately true to the point that our quarterback, which was like, hey, why don't you sleep in a little bit tomorrow? Hey, why don't you get out of here and go home? Let's set a time. We're going to let that loss from yesterday or that win from yesterday, we're going to let that go and move on. Those are the reports that matter just as much to me about Cam. He's been a diligent, diligent worker. He's setting the tone by when he gets to work, how he works when he's there. He's not about the flash and all the other stuff. He's about the business of football, but the business of being the quarterback and the leader. That's the stuff that I don't care if you're young, old, everybody respects in the locker room. And it's early, but he's off to a great start. It's. He's filling, I think he's filling a void in Some ways. You know, that city in that town is a distracting town. They call it Nash Vegas for a reason. It's a lot of fun. So if you get somebody that comes in there and it's all about football, that's very, very important in my opinion.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, my daughter just moved there and every time I say, how, how are you doing? I get a picture of a music festival she's at. So I'm, she's working anymore.
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Colin Cowherd
But in a bachelorette party or 30 on the streets, you know.
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Matt Hasselbeck
No, it's a great city as always, buddy. Great seeing you, Matt Hasselbeck. Thanks, man.
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Colin Cowherd
See ya.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. Now Nashville is one of the if you are, I told my daughter this. If you're 23 years old, not a college, go to Nashville and figure it out. That is a good time when you got 30 places you can step into on a Tuesday night that have live, live music. You may be singing by the end of the night. But it is a, it is a fun town.
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Colin Cowherd
Be sure to ca live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Covino
Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
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Rich
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for.
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J. Mac
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Covino
Well, you know what it's called? Over Promise. You should be good at it cause you've been over promising women for years.
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Rich
Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're gonna be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised.
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Covino
Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promise. And also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little hard. It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.
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Rich
There you go, Over Promising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely. Join us. Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Man, do we have interesting stuff on sometimes the betting public is fascinating to me and I can't figure them out. I I'll have a story before the end of the hour. JMAC with the news.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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J. Mac
Kevin Durant rumor mill. It is going overtime right now. The latest report, according to an Arizona radio host, host who people say is plugged in claims that Durant is telling people, hey man, I could be headed to San Antonio now. I have looked at the spurs salary situation and it's tough finding the numbers to match Kevin Durant. But Colin, Devin Vassel, Harrison Barnes, you're definitely not giving up the number. The number two.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You're not. You're not giving up Wemby or Castle, you're not giving up. But. But six' six, three and D guy, they need to get younger With Beal and kd, they want to get younger. If you give Bissell, Harrison Barnes two.
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J. Mac
Picks, I think Vassal, vessel, whatever, however you say, you know what he is, he's poor man's Devin Booker. So you're duplicating efforts and you still have Bradley Buell. None of this makes sense, Colin. And this is the Kevin Durant thing. It deserves a longer discussion. I don't know what he's worth. Gonna be 37 years old, gonna want to get paid again. Are you giving up anything for this guy? I'm not giving up a top 10 pick for Kevin Durant. I, no way.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I am. Yeah, I think Kevin Durant's gonna age well because his game. Well, his game has never been hyper athletic. He's not worn down because he's ball centric. He's like Klay Thompson, but better and taller. Get me the ball late in the clock and I can dial up a three. Like this is a guy. I, I think his game ages incredibly well. Like take LeBron out, he ages better than everybody. But you look at players and you go like a player like Westbrook who's hyper athletic. As his athletic ability dims, the game doesn't feel the same. But I think Durant has three more really good 25 points a game, 24 points a game. He's a catch and shoot guy. At the end of a clock, he can still beat guys off the dribble. His length, he's not getting shorter. He's a, he's a tough matchup. I like him.
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J. Mac
My problem with kd, he's been on two super teams recently. Brooklyn with Harden and Kyrie, and now in Phoenix with Devin Booker and Bradley Beal. They got swept in the playoffs two of his last three trips. How, how good are we with Kevin Durant as our alpha?
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Matt Hasselbeck
He's a piece, he's not a, he's not the foundation. He is a good on any night or any possession. He can be your best player. But I'm not building around him.
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J. Mac
Why would you give up future resources? Wemby, de' Aaron, Fox, Castle and kd, are they top five in the West?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yes, absolutely.
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J. Mac
Durant missed the playoffs. Colin and Phoenix missed the playoffs.
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Matt Hasselbeck
He didn't have Wemby. Stefan Castle. Castle's going to be an all star. He's gonna be a six time all star.
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J. Mac
He had an all NBA guy.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Devin Booker's a score. I, I don't think Devin Booker has proven pre, pre Chris Paul and after Chris Paul, Devon gets your points, he doesn't get your wins. That's not who he is.
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J. Mac
Oh, wow. I, I, you're high on kd. This is gonna be fun. What are we doing next? Oh, NFL. So with the Aaron Rodgers signing, we have a Lot more juice with that primetime matchup in week eight. We get Jordan Love and the packers against the Steelers. Love spoke to what it'll be like facing his former teammate in their Sunday night showdown.
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Jordan Love
I was excited for a rock. I don't think I was too surprised. I feel like there was a lot of rumors going on throughout the whole offseason about him going to the Steelers. So, you know, I was excited for him that he was obviously coming back, gonna be playing, you know, there's also rumors that he might be done. So just knowing he's gonna be keep playing, you know, that's pretty awesome. I'm excited for it. I can't wait, wait to be on, on different sides meeting up and I know we'll talk pregame things like that and hopefully we can exchange jerseys after.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So as I was cycling around Dusseldorf, I ran into a Packer fan and he brought up, he asked me, he said, how do you think, what do you think of Jordan Love? And I said, you know the problem with Jordan Love. I was a fan of him. But when you get a great athlete, they become truths to like when you watch Andrew Luck walk into the league and win 11 games with a horrible roster, you're like, oh, that's what great is. The emergence of Jaden Daniels with a weaker than Green Bay roster and he's leading them to the conference championship and he's unbelievable in the fourth down and he's unbelievable. Makes me look at Jordan Love and go, dude, you were under LaFleur for three years. Last year's your second year starting. And I'm not sure what Jordan Love is that Jaden Daniels is this barometer of truth where we you and I both, I'm higher on Jordan Love than you are. But my take is I watched Jaden Daniels come out of college football and by week five, he was as accurate as any quarterback. Two minute drill, including Mahomes and I. It's really. So I told the Packer fan, I don't know, but I know the guy in Washington did right out of college who did not get three years with Matt Lafleur. Like I don't know what Jordan Love is. I don't.
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J. Mac
That's a good point. Although in my head I'm playing back. You guys don't realize Colin, he actually said all this to a random cyclist in Dusseldorf. You're always on and that that's a pretty good take because I'm kind of with you. I don't know what to do with Jordan Love. Did he underperform? Is that who he really is.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I'm not a huge, I'm not a huge Brock Pie fan, but he walked in the league after a lot of college starts and Brock Purdy was instantly capable of running Kyle Shanahan's offense. Now, again, I don't think he's what you do, but I, I didn't, he didn't need to sit for three years. Okay, Jordan, we got to remember this. Jordan Love got three years of elite coaching from Matt LaFleur and I'm still going. I'm not sure what he is. Like, like, that's my Justin Fields concern. Like, dude, I've seen you now with two teams. I still don't know what you are. You're probably not great.
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Jason McIntyre
So I don't.
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Matt Hasselbeck
The poor guy in Dusseldorf just wanted a five minute, five second conversation and I broke down the NFC North. But the point was if I'm in Dusseldorf, you can ask me about Jordan Lovett. I don't have an answer. What he is.
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J. Mac
Listen, if we're hurting for NFL topics, Colin, I, I mean, I would like you to rank the quarterbacks in the NFC because the way you broke down Jordan Love, you have to have Brock Pie ahead of him. Right? You have to.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I know, here's what. I know exactly what Pie is and I actually know what he's not. My concern with Jordan Love is I know what he is at his best. But last year at the end, I saw some of his worst. And so now I go into the season, if there was a quarterback that was a question mark in the league, it'd be JJ McCarthy who I haven't seen and Jordan Love who I have. And I'm not sure what either is.
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J. Mac
Is it a tell that the packers took a wide receiver in the first round? Does that say anything about Love or is that about the wide receiver room?
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Matt Hasselbeck
No, no. I, I think teams draft. This is what Ben Johnson and the Bears did in Ryan polls. The. The Bears told you. Listen, we don't know if Caleb's the guy, but we're going to get him an offensive coach. We're going to pay for Drew Dahlman and Joe Tuney and we're going to go get Loveland the tight end for Michigan with Cole can comet. We're going to find out by Thanksgiving if Caleb Williams can play. We're going to find out. I love that. That's the way to do it. And so what I think the packers are saying is, okay, Christian Watson can't stay healthy, Romeo Dobbits may be a bit inconsistent and Immature. I love that. By the way, that kid from Texas Green Bay got can play. So I do think teams tell you, as you said tell, they tell you what concerns them in the draft, not only because of talent, talent, but urgency. And I think the Bears and the packers told you, we gotta find out if our guy can play.
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J. Mac
Next up is Brian Schottenheimer. Colin in Dallas. Yes. This video is real. He's trying to change the culture. He took the team paintballing earlier this offseason. And the latest team building activity involved taking the quarterbacks to a Greek dance class. I've never done one of those, so I don't really know what's going on here. Yeah, what are they calling plates? Is that a thing? Sorry, guys, I didn't even see my Big Fat Greek Wedding.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, it's great. Tremendous movie.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Brian Schottenheimer, bro. Hey, maybe we need some T building activities like this.
- [37:43]
Matt Hasselbeck
Colin, I'm taking the guys out tomorrow for dinner.
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J. Mac
Oh, are you?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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J. Mac
Interesting.
- [37:50]
Matt Hasselbeck
And I, I already know where we're going. Going to a pretty fancy place. You go ahead, you go over to Slurpees down at the beach. I'm taking these guys to Big Time Steakhouse.
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J. Mac
Deal.
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Matt Hasselbeck
J. Mack with the news.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news.
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Matt Hasselbeck
This one. So sometimes the public, and we're all, you know, we all emote, we all get emotional. Here's what's fascinating with Bill Belichick in North Carolina. I'm not going to spoil it. This betting trend. There's a timeline when everybody bailed on Belichick. And I'll get to that in a second. This is interesting.
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Colin Cowherd
Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific American.
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Jason McIntyre
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J. Mac
Starting with the Marlins battling o' Neill, Cruz and The Pirates followed by the Mariners taking on the Diamondbacks. It all starts at 6:30 Eastern right here on FS1.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know, I was talking during right and wrong about the Dodgers pitchers for the like third to fourth year in a row. Nobody can stay healthy. The Dodgers payroll 102 million is what the Dodgers spend annually on pitchers. That is more than six team spend on their entire roster. So there's a huge disparity, a huge gap, which isn't necessarily great for the sport. But you know, the Yankees, Dodgers are good, it's. Braves are good, Cubs are good. You know, it's not bad for baseball because outside of the NFL, everybody needs market cities, stars and certain teams to win. But I was thinking about this as I was reading the story this morning about the Dodgers. If I own a major league baseball team, I would spend my money on position players even if I was not a playoff team. I'm losing six to five. I'm losing seven to six. It's fun to watch. The Dodgers have been spending so much money on pitching. Last year in the World Series in game, was it five? Game four, they had to go to a bullpen game. So there, I don't know what it is. Is it something systemic in the organization? They can't keep pitchers healthy. And it would drive me nuts if I was an owner. I mean, if your pitchers are healthy, they still only pitch every fourth or fifth day. Unless you may have a closer that pitches twice a week or a setup guy that pitches an inning twice a week. Your starters are pitching once every five days. That's if they're healthy. I mean the dodgers are spending 100 million and the guys never play. That would drive me crazy. Now, now, again, they're paying. They're in a different ball game. They pay. Ohtani, Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, Max Muncie, they got stars everywhere. But I do think about that sometimes is if I, if I was somebody running a Major league baseball team, at least if I'm viable with position players, I'm paying the fans back. You're going to a game, you're getting four at bats. The Dodgers, it's like half their payroll. It's just not available. It's. And it's been, this has been like this for four years. They should have more than one Covid World Series title and thanks to an Aaron Judge error, a second World Series title. It feels like they've actually underachieved for the payroll is what it feels like. And a lot of it is nobody's ever healthy. Their Arms are never healthy. So I saw this story. This is fascinating. So Bill Belichick is dating Jordan Hudson. By the way, the Athletic has a fascinating piece on Jordan Hudson. Everybody complains they don't care. But I monitor downloads and interest and ratings on this show is the Belichick stuff is interesting. So according to the Athletics, Matt Baker, the Belichick North Carolina over bets. So the over under on wins is seven and a half. I would take the over because the ACC is just, I mean cross your fingers that Clemson's good, but Clemson doesn't want to do the nil stuff, which gives North Carolina an opportunity to go heavy nil and catch up in short time. But if Clemson's no good next year, the conference is awful. There's not a second dependably good program. I mean SEC and Big Ten have four or five teams that you know are going to be top end teams. So listen to this before the Jordan Hudson Bill Belichick CBS interview. Remember that was the interview where she interrupted the CBS reporter and said don't ask about us. Before that interview, 79% of bets on Carolina were over seven and a half wins. Since that interview, 89% of bets are under seven and a half wins. So what it tells you is guys this and men overwhelmingly do the sports betting in America. Said she's controlling Belichick. He's now a puppet. She's running the show. Remember North Carolina told you in a press release after that interview, Jordan Hudson has nothing to do with Carolina football. She's his social stockbroker, his social muse. And every guy that I know personally that is successful, there's a strong woman in his life, she's making the decision. She's running the house half the time. She's got huge say in the business. So I think the age thing drives people crazy. But I think Belichick, there's a brilliance to it. Belichick is saying, listen, I don't care about Snapgram and Insta Chat. I don't care about this crap. It's not my thing. She's great at it. And he also sees that she's hyper aggressive. I mean she is, she's got some testosterone here. She goes after people and she doesn't have any problem leading, pushing back to the media. She has a distrust of the media like Bill does. That's probably very attractive to him as a business guy. Bill's looking at it thinking she's a go getter. She's got real estate, she's got the social stuff. She was a pageant star in Maine. It's probably very attractive. At this point in his life, Bill wants to do football. He didn't want to deal with the social media stuff, but Belichick saying, listen, I don't want to deal with the social media stuff, but as a college coach I need the social media stuff. So who am I going to trust? Her. So. But it's interesting the bets guys who do the overwhelming amount of betting. That CBS interview came out and they saw her as too strong, too forceful and everybody now bets the under. Give me the schedule again. I'm betting the over. Now I do think whether it's Brian Kelly at LSU or Lincoln Riley at USC or Mario Cristobal or Deion Sanders, nil can buy you talent. It cannot buy you chemistry. It cannot buy you chemistry. And I think now Clemson's gone too far the other way way. They won't do it at all. I think you do need to bring six or seven guys in that third corner, that second, you know that right tackle. I think the nil. I don't think you can foundationally build around it, but I do think it adds value because more players are transferring out of your program. You got to replace them. I mean that's just the merry go round of college sports. The nil. But you look at this schedule, you're going to tell me Belichick can't beat Charlotte, Richmond, Cal, Wake Forest. Boy, there's a lot of academic powers here. He's going to lose to Clemson and maybe they'd lose at, at Syracuse.
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Jason McIntyre
I.
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Matt Hasselbeck
That's about it when I look at that. First of all, the ACC is an excellent academic institution. This would win, you know, greatest academic football schedule. But I don't. Outside of Clemson and Syracuse, you tell me where the L's are. J Mac, I don't see it. This is a, this a weak schedule.
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J. Mac
That's the problem. You gotta. If they're not gonna clear their win total, you gotta find four losses at least.
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Colin Cowherd
Least.
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J. Mac
Now, interesting scheduling note. The Clemson game is bookended by as of now by weeks. So it's basically buy into Clemson, buy after Clemson.
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Matt Hasselbeck
They're hard game.
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J. Mac
The Cal. Cal I thought would be difficult, but I talked to no people. They lost some of their best players.
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Matt Hasselbeck
They, they lost their backfield. Cal lost their quarterback and their entire backfield. So they're the opposite of Penn State. That's got NFL guys behind center. They don't. They lost all their guys.
- [49:56]
J. Mac
One thing that's annoying about college football, so the NFL, you can find a line on every game. Game all season. Week 12. Give me the lines. You got them. You can't do that in college football. They don't have all the lines. So even if UNC loses to TCU in the opener, they're still in great shape because they're going to be favored. My guess is in a lot of these games, unless they look awful and they lose 49, seven or something.
- [50:17]
Matt Hasselbeck
So they have 12 games scheduled. You have to find four losses. So let's say Clemson's a loss. Let's even say UCF is a loss. Okay, Clemson are 3 and 2. Cal's got no firepower. They lose to Syracuse. So I could say ucf, Clemson and Syracuse. But boy, there's a they're just going to have better players. And again, my concern is Belichick's two sons are on the staff. Lombardi son, they may work. I'm not saying sons can't be good coaches. That's not what I'm saying. But it does feel it's a little bit of a family reunion on the staff, which it's not how Saban built his dynasty. Ryan Day, by the way, his son is getting scholarship offers. I read it this morning. Kent State Marshall, Akron, Cincinnati, you know where he's not being offered? Ohio State. So that I worry about. But I can't find four losses on that. And I bought my Lindy's college football magazine and read it for three hours yesterday. There are not a lot of good teams on that list. You're hardcore.
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J. Mac
I I'll also ask Colin, like when you hear all these betters are going against Belichick after the Jordan Hudson stories come. Yeah, don't you think that's dumb money? I mean, not to be disappointed to all these guys, but it's like, what are we doing?
- [51:33]
Jason McIntyre
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