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Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Hasselbeck
Here we go. It's Monday. Wild weekend. College and pro football and a lot of fun. Matt Hasselbeck, five minutes out. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Lot of energy. J. Matt, you know, sat home yesterday, hydrated after kind of a wild weekend. Saw the kids, probably had one too many cigars. A little wine at Slay Steak on Saturday. That was amazing.
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Unknown
Can I tell the audience you called me? You were fired up. You had so many good takes yesterday. I was like, coward.
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Matt Hasselbeck
What saved this for I. I was a take machine yesterday.
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Unknown
You were cooking. I mean, you were like a turkey on Thanksgiving, just going crazy.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, you and your family had a great Thanksgiving.
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Unknown
Yes, it was very thankful to be out here in the warm weather. Arctic blast hitting the Midwest this week. You see the temperatures coming?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Unknown
Gonna be some cold football out there this weekend.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, Buffalo's built for it. All right, here we go. Colin right? Colin wrong in a Monday. Plenty of both. Fire away.
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Unknown
Where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Listen, I said a week ago and I got pushback. Tear it down to the studs Niners. It's official. Rebuilds. The only way lost 35 to 10. Was it competitive? Christian McCaffrey's hurt. Fred Warner's hurt. They're old, they're tired, they're expensive and they're brittle. I mean, Kyle Shanahan, first time he's lost back to back games by 25 plus points. Christian McCaffrey, unfortunately done for the season. This isn't subtle or nuanced. They don't have a. They don't have enough good players. I mean, go, go watch Detroit, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City play. They don't have enough guys, especially in their prime.
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Unknown
We're. Colin was wrong.
- [04:48]
Matt Hasselbeck
I have defended Ryan Day for a long time, but he got worked this weekend. Even with Chip Kelly. I thought he was trying to prove a point more than he was trying to win a game. Why were they running the football? They're a beautiful vertical passing team. Nick Saban moved off his power running games into a passing team because Nick was about winning games. And I like Ryan Day, but he'd never been a head coach before Ohio State and there are steps you get when you're Urban Meyer and go Bowling Green to you, Utah to Florida, Ohio State and in big games he has not been exceptional. And I thought this was a low point. I don't think I would want him fired. But this was ugly and I've been defending him from day one. You can't have that at home against the team that can't pass. Michigan can't pass.
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Unknown
Where Colin was right, Sammy Darnold forever.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I said he's a first round talent. Just get him to the right coach. Once again, a great final drive to win a game. He's had several of those, fourth in the NFL and touchdown passes, the reckless stuff. He'll have a throw every game. I wince a little bit but he has become a really good fourth quarter quarterback. Ten of his twelve starts, a hundred plus passer rating. He's getting it to the right players at the right time and I trust him. That's that. That's the one thing I'll say about good quarterback play. He gets the ball with a minute and a half left. I trust him. He's going to drive that team down to a field goal minimum. And he did it again this week.
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Unknown
Sam Darnold where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I didn't think Russell Wilson and Tomlin and the Steelers was going to fit. But he's five and one in six starts yesterday, eight different Steelers caught a pass of 20 plus yards. He is throwing the ball down the field. There's no dink and dunk here. Russell is. He is cooking it downfield and I'm happy for him. He's a grateful guy, he's a hard working guy, he's a very focused guy and this is a much better fit than I could have guessed. You know, it kind of feels like this has always been an offense that's a little dramatic and loose. He's kind of got it, got it. Playing more in the fair way and still hitting on big plays where Colin was right. You know, Matt Eberfluss coming into the season was on the hot seat. Probably they should have been best served to start over. Jim Harbaugh was the choice but he didn't get along with the president. And I feel bad for Caleb Williams who I think is a remarkable player. He's flawed he's got a lot to learn. But that coaching gaffe, I mean when first year quarterbacks, sometimes a coach has to throw them a life preserver on timeouts and time and you know they're going to lack some self awareness just because they're rookie quarterbacks in a much faster game on the road. Short week against the great Lions. There's just no excuse for that. And then his, they couldn't even fire him right. They let him have a press conference and fired him about an hour later. So this was pretty predictable.
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Unknown
Where Colin was wrong.
- [07:49]
Matt Hasselbeck
Well, my next guest loves Nick Sirianni. I guess I'm on board. They've won eight in a row. They beat Lamar Jackson. NFC teams do not beat Lamar Jackson. Now Justin Tucker helped him out. But I will say this, they, they may be the worst first quarter team, that's a good team in the league. But their second quarter was great. And their fourth quarters, they give the ball to the right people. And that's what I like about Philadelphia's offense. It's what Ohio State didn't do Saturday. They got their ball and they get their ball to the right guys. And Sirianni, maybe he's learning on the job. I've had misgivings, but it works. You do not win eight games in a row. And they've beaten some good teams home and away. They've beaten good teams. You don't win eight in a row. Go look at Chicago. They got good players too. Unless the coach knows what he's doing.
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Unknown
Where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I don't buy an Aaron Rodgers. I don't think he's the top 15 to 18 quarterback in the league. Turns 41 today. Ugly pick six. He missed the wide open. Garrett Wilson in the end zone on a pretty easy throw. Pretty pedestrian NFL quarterback throw. And they would have, they would have gone up 28 to 7. Game, set, match, missed it. Pick six followed. So at this point, you know, he's never been the biggest grinder in the off season and so I think he's aged really, really quickly. But I didn't think the jets were a playoff team. I don't think Aaron's the kind of guy, he's not a foxhole guy, he's just a really talented guy. But I would move off him. I don't think it works. I don't think he has much of a market. We've got all these talented young quarterbacks. Go get one somewhere or go get.
- [09:14]
Unknown
Sam Darnold where Colin was right.
- [09:16]
Matt Hasselbeck
I said going into the weekend, do not lose any sleep on the College Football Playoff rankings, chaos will ensue. And it did. Georgia went to eight overtimes against Georgia Tech. Miami lost to Syracuse. Georgia, Ohio State lost to Michigan. And I said Thursday, the last couple of weekends, watch out for rivalry week. It's going to be a zoo. There's a scenario where the four conference champions weren't in their conference last season. And I will say this, the Nil and the transfer portal have created more parity because a lot of these second tier programs are cherry picking the Michigan's, Notre Dame's, Ohio State's, Alabama's, Georgia for guys that may be the third receiver that can be a number one receiver at say like a Louisville or, or you know, a Texas Tech. So there is no depth even among the Alabamas and the Georgias. I mean, I've watched Georgia play five times. You can run on Georgia, they don't throw the ball down the field. So it is a wacky college football season. I'll still say Texas ends up in the Natty. I still think it's going to be Tennessee or Ohio State. So I'm not bailing on Ohio State where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong on a Monday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, we love having him on three time Pro Bowler. You know, it's funny, I watched the Bills play last night in that snow and I said it looked like 8 year olds on the first snow day they were having. They loved playing in that. And not that San Francisco melted like a Miami team, but it's weird watching them play in that weather. It's almost like if they could choose the weather for the playoffs, that would be it. When you were in Seattle, you probably liked rain and watched the guys come in and fumble, right?
- [11:10]
Unknown
Colin, My rookie year, I went to the Green Bay Packers. Most of our team, like our quarterback was from Mississippi. Everyone thought, oh, he's a cold weather quarterback. Brett Favre, he's from Mississippi. You know, half the guys in my rookie class, they saw snow for the first time when they got to Wisconsin and yet they thought of us as like this cold weather team. I used to tell people all the time, like we'd wear no sleeves. We'd go out at halftime, we would come in the locker room, in the quarterback meeting room. Sorry, where we meet was in the sauna. It was the quarterback's coach, Andy Reid, it was Doug Peterson's the backup, Brett Favre's the starter, Rick Myers there, I'm there and literally we're in there in the sauna having Our, like halftime adjustment meeting, we were freezing. Then we go out in the second half and like, you know, we just play this tough guy thing. Like, yeah, we're not cold, you know, we're not wearing sleeves. And I'm sure the opposing team, like the 49ers, they're like, man, these guys are crazy. They love this stuff. It's like they would rather be in the snow right now. And that's what it looked like with Buffalo. I think the fans were into it. It's super cool to play and super fun and to watch.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know, I, I said this about Russell Wilson. I thought the fit was weird. But I do think that we don't think about this. Even for guys like you who are College All Americans, 18 years, Pro Bowls for like, you fit is really essential. You're talking about 22 year old kids. So even though Russell's older, Denver was a bad fit because here's Sean Payton who has his view of offense, and then Russell Wilson comes in with his view Clash. Tomlin is a defensive guy and I almost feel like Russell feels liberated, like I can kind of do what I do. And Mike off of Kenny Pickett is sort of appreciative, but I watch it and I'm like, it kind of works, Tomlin, Russ, doesn't it?
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Unknown
Well, it's definitely working. I don't see it that way necessarily. I think there's this fine line between humility and confidence, and I think you need both. And I don't think Russell was very humble in Denver, but I think he's been more humble this time and definitely has the confidence. Listen, that game started out, he throws a pick six on like the third pass or the third play of the game. And you know, he's, he doesn't flinch. He has the confidence. He's like, you know what? I've been there, done it, had highs, had lows, I'm good. But if you watch that game, if you really study how he got to 400 yards, it wasn't really what we're going to see in the highlights, all these deep balls. It really wasn't the first half. He had two completions to a wide receiver that were past the line of scrimmage. That was it. He won this game by using the running backs in the passing game, using the tight ends in the passing game. In the first half, he had seven completions to running backs, four to tight ends, and like I said, two that went past the line of scrimmage. So is he a great deep ball thrower? Yes, he really is. He's got great trajectory on his throw, but that's not how he won this game. That's not how he got to 400 yards. I believe he played the kind of like that division's type of football. You heard Mike Tomlin talk about it. He said he's acclimated well to this division and this kind of football. And I think part of that is being humble. And yet, like I said, having like this ultra confidence where you have confidence in yourself and your team has confidence in you as well.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know, I. The bear situation is interesting, so I would have been much harder on Caleb.
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Unknown
Interesting. Well, that's. That's a really nice way to put it.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Colin trying to be kind on a Monday. I do think with the rookie quarterbacks, sometimes a coach or a veteran backup or something has to throw him a life preserver. Well, a lot of these teams get a rookie quarterback. They'll go get a veteran guy, a Josh McCown, get him in here. And I thought Matt Eberfluss's inability. You could see Caleb's looking around and it's like, you gotta call timeout. You gotta help the kid. Now, maybe in three years, that's on Caleb. Were you bothered by Caleb or the lack of support he got from the head coach?
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Unknown
All of it. You know, listen, I got on here, you know, when he gave up nine sacks and everyone was trying to blame the offensive line. And I'm like, listen, there's shared blame. And if I'm coaching the quarterback, I'm blaming the quarterback for at least six of those sacks, at least. But yet they blame somebody else. Then it was something else. And they blamed the offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron. They fired him. Now, this situation, they're blaming the head coach who could have called timeout. He shouldn't have needed to call timeout. You had 36 seconds. You need to save that timeout. Two minute is different in the second quarter than it is in the fourth quarter. Two minute is different when you're down three versus if you're down four or more. Like, at some level, there's got to be some shared responsibility by the quarterback. So if you're coaching the quarterback, like, with a closed door, I think you need to be really critical. Like yesterday, it was, like, almost hilarious to me how, like, every single comment that someone said about the Bears, everyone would say, like, oh, you can't put that on the quarterback. Like, why? Like, I don't understand why. Like, the only way you're going to improve as a quarterback is if you're coached tough if you're coached hard, if you tell the truth on Monday. And like, that's. That's the part that I'm not sure is getting done right there. I think I thought Matt Eberfluss probably needed to be fired because of all the stuff, you know, if you look at the totality of it. But really, I thought what he did at the podium is he tried to not throw his quarterback under the bus. But I don't know who else you can really blame for what happened in that situation if you're coaching the quarterback.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. So, you know, I watch Baltimore and some, you know, I said this for years with Tiger Woods. There's a lot of great golfers. There was one Tiger woods and guys shot a lot of good rounds and lost to the meteor known as Tiger Woods. And I watched the Ravens and I'm like, well, they lost to Kansas City by a foot. You know, Philadelphia may be the best roster in the league. You know, you start looking around and you're like, okay, the Raiders game is what it is. But I watched them handle the Chargers. I'm like, I think it's a good team. I just think the greatest kicker ever has hit a wall and they keep losing these close games. I think if they hit field goals, they win. And just sometimes it happens. Like, it just. I'm not selling my Lamar Baltimore stock, but a lot of people are. How do you view them?
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Unknown
Yeah, they shouldn't. Listen, I believe in Lamar Jackson 100%. He's incredibly fun to watch. I believe in a weird way, he's underrated. People think of him as the runner, but he's a great passer as well. I think he's a great leader. They played a little sloppy this year. Obviously, the special teams, which was always a strength for this team, you know, they're in a bit of a. You know, they're in a bit of a rut right now. And just listen. Having held for field goal kickers for a lot of my football playing career, you know, going back all the way down to, you know, heist from high school to holding for Adam Venetiri near the end of my career, like, you know, understanding that it's an operation, like it's. It's long snapper, it's holder, it's kicker. And just like a golfer, sometimes you're, you know, you have a stretch where you're not in the fairway much. But I trust Justin Tucker. I kind of trust that team. And I do think that this team will be a team that's battle tested once the playoffs come around.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Hasselbeck joining us. It's so funny with the Eagles. They're an awful first quarter team but yesterday they were a great dominant second quarter team and then they were bad in the third, then they were unstoppable in the fourth. But when I watched them, every unit has like an unbelievable player. They're so stacked and it's like. But you've been telling me this for a month. I've been pushing back. There is something with Siriann. Are you a little concerned that eventually in the playoffs you're not concerned about Colin?
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Unknown
I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's a really good coach. I think the Eagles are a really good team. I feel like I like the Eagles more than Eagles fans. Like weird way, like I believe in them more. No, listen, I thought like yesterday's game they coached around their injury situation. Injury situation. They didn't have Devontae Smith and so they said okay, you know what we are going to be. You know a lot of people talk about rpo. The Eagles in that game, they were an RRO offense, a run or a run option. It was either Jalen or it was Saquon. And then once they get into the red zone then they operate their more. They're like RPO game where it's either Jalen Saquon or Dallas Goddard, Jalen Saquon or AJ Brown. They coached around the situation that they had, understanding who the quarterback was on the other side. I think Jalen hurts through for like 118 yards. He had seven completions that ended up in a first down. Like it wasn't kind of a game but it's winning football. Vic Fangio does a great job. I've told you. Kellen Moore is learning his guys and really it's a one, two punch in the defense is off balance. I thought they mixed up tempo. I just, I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's got his team focused each and every week and we pay attention to some of the antics like on game day. But I think if you look at that team like Monday to Saturday, they're locked in, they don't have distractions.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So do you think it's easy for me to say this? Do you think in the locker room that those veteran Niners players know it's this ain't working, it's time for a reboot. I mean they're highly compensated. But do you think in the room they're questioning we gotta start over because I watch Philly, I Watch Detroit. I watch Buffalo, I watch Baltimore. San Francisco's not close. They're not one big swing away. They're old, expensive, brittle, hurt a lot. Do you think they know that?
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Unknown
Yeah, I don't think I hear what you're saying. I think they feel that this year, like, I think the real talk or the real thoughts are something like, man, this just isn't our year. Like, we're banged up. And listen, you mention all the time I played 18 years in the NFL, not every year was the same. There were some years where I just. I wasn't banged up, felt great, my teammates felt great. Just that's how it was. Then there were other years where we felt snake bit. Everybody in the. In the building had an injury. Every player, shoot. We had coaches basically getting surgery during the season. It was just like, what's going on with this team right now? We feel cursed or something. I think that's what they feel. I feel like the 49ers are probably like, man, we can't catch a break this year. This is not our year. But I don't think they feel like, oh, we got to blow it up, start over, get younger, because there's no king in that division. The NFC west is like, it's like right there. They can taste it. They know they're close and they feel like if healthy it would be their division. But I think it's a real thing where you feel snake bit a little bit.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Okay, so speaking of that division, because I think all of the teams have something. Seattle again just keeps winning. The Rams now Stafford's on a bit of a heater now. Stafford's playing well. That game, by the way, flew by it. It was like one of those baseball games. Now when you have the starter pitcher, it goes like 2 hours and 20 minutes. The Rams game was like over like that. And you're like, okay. Do you buy the Rams? Because this is a quarterback head coach league, especially in the playoffs, and I think their defense is actually in the front seven. Pretty tasty. What do you make of the Rams? Do you buy them at all? Do they worry you? Do you think they could? You know, last year they shocked us. They're better than last year, I think. What do you make of them?
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Unknown
Yeah, well, listen, it's a fun division, so a really good team is going to win that division with a bad record, which is like. I wouldn't say that about the NFC South. I think a bad team with a bad record is going to win that division, but there's going to be A good team coming out of this NFC West. The Seahawks are hot right now. That was a good win, but it was also a win against a, you know, a three win jets team. But the Seahawks in Arizona go head to head this week. This, this division is going to kind of eat itself and I think that if they can stay healthy. Matthew Stafford is really good football. Now that second half was great football. That first half, you know, wasn't quite as good. So, you know, this is a team and this is a division that I truly think it could be anybody's division.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah.
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Unknown
And you can't really say that about much of the league. You know, some of the teams that are winning their division, they're playing against people that have already packed it in. Yeah, they're, they're putting guys on the ir. They're saying, hey, for who? For what? We'll see you next year. That's not at all how this division is. Everybody feels like they're in it. And so for that reason, I think this is going to be one of the more competitive and more fun divisions to watch as we finish out the year.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, he's got a 121 passer rating, eight touchdowns, no picks in the last three games and so.
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Unknown
But it was interesting, Colin. Like, I think they didn't score a touchdown in the first half, which is something that a Sean McVeigh team hasn't done in. They've been super bowl against the Patriots.
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Matt Hasselbeck
They've been a weirdly bad first half offense and I don't know what the answer is because McVeigh is brilliant. But they've been. I couldn't tell you the last great first half they had. They adjust, they play well late. But it's, you know, it's like Philadelphia. I can't explain Philadelphia and the Rams first quarters. They have.
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Unknown
Well, I think one thing that does happen is you don't really know what somebody else's game plan is going to be against you until you get into the game. Like if you're unique, like I think Matthew Stafford's unique. I think Jalen hurts in that Saquon offense now is unique. So you get into the game and you're like, oh, okay, now I see what their game plan was. They're going to play us nickel, meaning five DBs when we're in big people personnel got it. Or say, oh, okay, I know what they're going to do now. They're going to play a two shell and allow no big plays. Got it. But you don't necessarily know that until you get into the game.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday. Always love having you man. Make us smarter. Appreciate it.
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Unknown
Appreciate it.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You bet. 18 years in the league, three time Pro Bowler super bowl trips.
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Unknown
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Matt Hasselbeck
Denver Broncos Bo Nick, Sean Payton tonight. What. What is the grimace? How about they win by a couple of touchdowns? Couple of tutties.
- [30:22]
Unknown
So first of all, do you have any money on this game at all? I don't have a cent on it. I have no read on this whatsoever.
- [30:30]
Matt Hasselbeck
I do. I do. I have a read. Here's what I'm reading. Yeah, Denver, another W. Bo Nicks, three touchdown passes. Read it here in the Denver Post.
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Unknown
Here we. So I'm going against Bo Nixon fantasy. You know, my brother is, too. So we're rooting for Bo Nicks to do nothing tonight. So I'm, I'm a Browns fan. I know you don't care about that, but there is a world where Bo Nicks comes back down to earth just a little under the spotlight of Monday Night Football against a Browns defense that showed up against Russ.
- [30:58]
Matt Hasselbeck
Remember, it was a. It was a blizzard. It's much easier with you can't see. I went to that Cosm Dome to watch that game. Honestly, I think I said this on the air. I'm like. So I was sitting watching the game and this cosm is amazing and it makes you feel like you're at the game and I'm kind of standing where a safety would be and I'm like, how do you see the running back?
- [31:22]
Unknown
It was a blizzard.
- [31:22]
Matt Hasselbeck
You couldn't see anything. Tonight. It'll be clear vision for one Bo Nick.
- [31:27]
Unknown
Bo Nix again. Six or minus five and a half, something like that.
- [31:31]
Matt Hasselbeck
I like Denver comfortably. Okay, J. Mac with the news.
- [31:35]
Unknown
No, no, no.
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Levar Arrington
Turn on the news.
- [31:38]
Unknown
This is the Herd line.
- [31:40]
Matt Hasselbeck
I'll be texting you at about 7:45 tonight.
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Unknown
Yeah, okay. Can't wait for that one. Let's start with Thanksgiving Day and the Lions. So they survived in the in in a rough game against the Bears. But the big story that we over the weekend was Jamir Gibbs, the talented young running back. Running back. He inadvertently leaked some of the play's pass protection calls when he posted a video of a teammate on Instagram. You can see it here on FS1. I don't know why he would post this in front of the whiteboard with all that information. And it had code words for calls at the line of scrimmage. Well, Dan Campbell was talking to the media. The media is grilling Campbell about this. And here's what Dan Campbell said about it.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I don't really give a crap. I mean, if we're going to lose because of code words, then we're not good enough anyway. So I think we'll just post the whole freaking playbook out there and every code word we got. And it's. It doesn't matter. It's not going to hurt us. It won't affect us. And it's all good. By the way, guys, can you keep your phones, you know, in your locker? You ever go to the gym? I see this at the gym. I can't believe it. And guys are checking their phones. It's like, guys, you can't give an hour of your day to sitting on your phone. Like, don't take phones into restaurants, in the gym. And the meetings. I can't believe the. An NFL team allows players to have their phones in meetings.
- [33:01]
Unknown
Not a great look for Gibbs. And then he had the fumble inside the five yard line. That was a killer. I do like Campbell's reaction. Like, I don't give a crap. This is the. Dan. This is leadership right here. Us against the world. Our guy screwed up. Who cares? I'm with him. The media, they want Jameer gives his head for this. How could this.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, it's not real smart. Come on.
- [33:21]
Unknown
It's not. It's not genius level stuff, but, you know, they got a big game this.
- [33:26]
Matt Hasselbeck
Week against the Packers Thursday night.
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Unknown
See the line? The line is shrinking.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Let me guess, Let me guess. What now? So where's the game?
- [33:31]
Unknown
It was Detroit -6. Detroit at home against the Packers.
- [33:35]
Matt Hasselbeck
No, I take Green Bay minus six.
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Unknown
Well, it's not six anymore.
- [33:37]
Matt Hasselbeck
What is it?
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Unknown
It's minus three and a half.
- [33:39]
Matt Hasselbeck
Okay. Yeah, Green Bay, some major injuries on defense. Went and got Jamal Adams.
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Unknown
I mean, I didn't even see them.
- [33:46]
Matt Hasselbeck
Detroit went and got Jamal Adam. They got linebacker issues. They're all banged up.
- [33:50]
Unknown
Two of their top three linebackers are out now. Not, not good at all.
- [33:54]
Matt Hasselbeck
I like Green Bay in that game.
- [33:55]
Unknown
I think I do too.
- [33:56]
Matt Hasselbeck
I like Green.
- [33:57]
Unknown
Bayers are coming on. And then it opens the door. Could Philly host the NFC Championship? Detroit having to go outdoors in January. To the link.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Not great today. I said this on my podcast last night. I would take this morning Philadelphia over Detroit. And I didn't feel that way three weeks ago.
- [34:12]
Unknown
I don't think that's a hot take. Now here's a question. Is, is Philadelphia the best team in the NFL now? Because we were saying Detroit a week.
- [34:18]
Matt Hasselbeck
Ago was, I think, Buffalo. Buffalo and Philadelphia and then Detroit, Kansas City, those four. Put them in any order you want, but that feels like it to me. I'm tell you something, Buffalo playing at home. Decent.
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Unknown
Yeah, they're decent. Next up, the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team I owe an apology to. Huh? What a performance. They beat the Bengals, scoring 44 points. Russell Wilson was tremendous. What a resurgence for Russell Wilson. But a subplot here is Mr. George Pickens. As you see here on TV, he made headlines for all the wrong reasons, getting two unsportsmanlike penalties. Was lucky to avoid an ejection. I don't know what he's doing, man. He's putting a football on a Bengals player's head makes and the finger guns, like, dude, what are we doing? So Mike Tomlin addressed his wide receivers antics.
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They just got to grow up, man. This emotional game, man, these divisional games are big. He got a target on his back because he's George. He understands that. But he's got to grow up. He's got to grow up in a hurry.
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Matt Hasselbeck
He does. That's. That's well put. You know that it's fine against Cincinnati, but you're not. You know, the margins shrink when you play playoffs teams.
- [35:28]
Unknown
You don't want to go overboard, but is there a little Randy Moss in this kid? I mean, Moss was supremely talented. Pickens is unbelievable. I mean, dude, watching this guy in space and going, I mean, listen, for.
- [35:40]
Matt Hasselbeck
Whatever reasons, wide receivers, it's an emotional position. It did. Whatever reasons. And so it's not the first time we've seen this. You know, I. It's. Even receivers I really like get highly emotional. So it's just. It's kind of just part and parcel to the position.
- [35:54]
Unknown
I think now Tomlin knows his receivers well. He moved off. Remember Deontay Johnson? Remember, they just got rid of.
- [35:59]
Matt Hasselbeck
He knows his personnel.
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Unknown
By the way, side story, did you see what Deontay Johnson did for the Ravens yesterday? Nothing.
- [36:08]
Matt Hasselbeck
Think about this. Steelers tend to move off receivers at the right time. Antonio Brown, JuJu Smith, Schuster, Martavius Bryant, Chase, Clay, Bull, Deontay Johnson, they know now, I think Pickens is better, is more talented than all of those except A.B.
- [36:22]
Unknown
Okay. Yeah, yeah, A.B. was.
- [36:24]
Matt Hasselbeck
I mean, listen, he's not, he's all time talent. Yeah.
- [36:26]
Unknown
Like the guy's ridiculous. So Pickens has to clean that up. Colin, I, I don't want to get. Listen, I obviously owe the Steelers an apology. I've been bashing them all season. Fugazi. Fraudulent. I mean they had eight different pass catchers with a 20 yard catch yesterday. Eight. Who's the second best team in the AFC? Take your time.
- [36:47]
Matt Hasselbeck
Well, Buffalo's number one, Kansas City's 2 coaching quarterback.
- [36:53]
Unknown
Pittsburgh neutral field.
- [36:55]
Matt Hasselbeck
Kansas City. Kansas City for sure. Yeah. Pittsburgh will be close with. Pittsburgh's not getting blown out by anybody. It's like Philadelphia is too good. If Philadelphia loses, it's close. If Pittsburgh loses, the way they play, it'll be close. They're just, they're just. Russell doesn't turn the ball over. So they're like Baltimore, he threw up.
- [37:13]
Unknown
Pick six early on.
- [37:14]
Matt Hasselbeck
I know they're not, they're Russell, but not his day. That thrust for 400 yards. Yeah, I mean it just beat you.
- [37:20]
Unknown
I mean Arthur Smith has done some impressive stuff.
- [37:22]
Matt Hasselbeck
No, he's been a great hire for them.
- [37:24]
Unknown
I mean they got you. You can't really man up Pickens because he's going to beat anybody one on one. Friarmouth is good. Najee Harris, I mean the kid Austin had some nice catches.
- [37:32]
Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, no, they, they're, they got and they're good. I mean I, we said this last year. I think they have a top five rostering. I said it last year. They just weren't good at quarterback.
- [37:42]
Unknown
And you know, Russ, again, maybe I'm getting sucked in. You know, he's only played like six or seven.
- [37:48]
Matt Hasselbeck
I've been saying this now for a year. You all keep clinging to Aaron Rodgers is good and he's not and you all keep bashing Russell and he's actually good. But I mean this whole thing about Aaron's done. Kirk Cousins looks done. Russell Wilson's not done.
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Unknown
Isn't that incredible? Aaron Rodgers is done. Russell Wilson was supposed to be done two years.
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Matt Hasselbeck
He's back now.
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Unknown
I mean, Russ could go to the AFC champions.
- [38:09]
Matt Hasselbeck
Well, Russ also, I think works harder in the off season, is more focused and I also think the Steelers are a better organization by far than the Jets. So a lot of times in life it's where you land. And I think Russell landed with a, you know, an elite organization.
- [38:23]
Unknown
Last thing on the Steelers coach of the year is Tomlin or Kevin OConnell. Who you got?
- [38:28]
Matt Hasselbeck
Well, Pittsburgh's got Better players. So you'd say Kevin O'Connor. If Sean Payton gets this team into the playoffs, I give it to Sean Payton.
- [38:34]
Unknown
Oh, over.
- [38:37]
Matt Hasselbeck
They were a five win over under team with a rookie quarterback in a division with Mahomes, Harbaugh, Herbert Nanny, Reed. It's.
- [38:44]
Unknown
It's hard.
- [38:44]
Matt Hasselbeck
They get it. Shawn Payton, Tomlin, Kevin.
- [38:47]
Unknown
I'm not a huge awards guy, but that's a tough one. Also we need to talk about the high spit at some point. So just file it away. We do. I know nobody cares. Final story is Minnesota Vikings did not start strong yesterday. It was really ugly. I think they had like 75 yards at halftime or something.
- [39:01]
Matt Hasselbeck
They didn't to be honest. Only three penalties. They were super efficient. They got out game big by Arizona.
- [39:06]
Unknown
What hurt early on Aaron Jones had a fumble and a drop and they bailed on him.
- [39:10]
Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, look at that throw.
- [39:11]
Unknown
But I think that was the fourth down pass to Justin Jefferson. Sammy D, he was excellent.
- [39:15]
Matt Hasselbeck
Sammy D was bringing it, man.
- [39:17]
Unknown
You need a game winning drive. Sam Darnold's your guy converting a fourth and long. And then the go ahead score with 70 seconds left. Yep, fifth straight win. Listen, they're 10 and 2.
- [39:27]
Matt Hasselbeck
I know it's crazy.
- [39:28]
Unknown
And they're going to be the fourth seed in the NFC and you know.
- [39:30]
Colin Cowherd
Here they've done it.
- [39:32]
Matt Hasselbeck
It's like Baltimore has tried to work through its problems, special teams and defense, but has lost a lot of games. Minnesota in the weaker conference has worked through some problems but they're winning those games. Remember the Jacksonville game? They won. They were terrible in the red zone. They weren't very good for two and a half quarters in this game. So Minnesota, it's a little bit of an advantage to play in the NFC over the afc.
- [39:55]
Unknown
Huge. Sorry. Not fourth seed for Vikings, fifth. So they're going to have to go on the road in their first game and I'm taking them over over Tampa.
- [40:05]
Matt Hasselbeck
Are you sure they're not going to win the division? When Detroit loses Thursday, that opens things up. I like Green Bay Thursday against Detroit. I can't believe that opened six.
- [40:16]
Unknown
Well, it was six on the look ahead line. And then the injury and the unimpressiveness Thanksgiving. So it's down to three and a half. But yeah, Packers, Vikings, Lions, that, that's a tough three.
- [40:25]
Matt Hasselbeck
I wouldn't cancel Minnesota out from winning the division.
- [40:28]
Unknown
And oh, by the way, like Green Bay going to Seattle or Arizona, that's not a tall order. We could have three teams from the north in the second round.
- [40:38]
Matt Hasselbeck
Listen, Chicago is Like five plays from being A.
- [40:47]
Unknown
They've played elite teams. That's why a lot of people like that job and like them this week in San Francisco. I guess we'll save for later.
- [40:55]
Matt Hasselbeck
Maybe J. Mac with the news.
- [40:59]
Unknown
Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd line news.
- [41:03]
Matt Hasselbeck
I was thinking about this with the San Francisco 49ers. You're not going to fire Kyle Shanahan. He's very good. But I do think you have to get him away from personnel. And here's what happens. It hurt Bill O'Brien. It hurt Gruden, it hurt Belichick. I think it hurt Pete Carroll. Is that what happens, is the coaches, the star coaches make three times what the general manager does. I mean, McVay makes much more than less need. Shanahan is going to make much more than John Lynch. And so when these coaches get into these power situations, they get a lot of personnel, say, and I think Kyle is drafting players for the moment. They've let their O line and their D line. They've neglected it. And I think he has to step back. You know, Pete Carroll in Seattle, the death of Paul Allen, there was a leadership void, a vacuum. And then Pete kind of got in and had, in my opinion, a little too much control with personnel. John Snyder was going to take the Lions job. They pulled him back. And John, the last two or three drafts has controlled that shocker. The Seahawks have had three straight great drafts. I like Kyle Shanahan, but I look at their drafts and it feels like the coach has a little bit too much power. Now, there are some coaches who are very good with personnel. Sean Payton, Jimmie Johnson. I've been told McVay is good with personnel. He's got a real sense for it. Most coaches, I think, are better off coaching players playing GMs, GMing. But, I mean, when I look at Kyle Shanahan and that team, I mean, they're spiraling out of control. There's no easy fix. They're not one swing away. And when you're watching Brock Purdy on the field with Josh Allen, remember what these games are going to look like in December and January. February, as we think they're going to look like. Did that look like an even fight at quarterback? So here's Shanahan on his team spiraling out of control.
- [42:55]
Kyle Shanahan
This is the hole we put ourselves in and made it a lot tougher and. And if we want to get out of it, we got to do something special here. We're not as good of a team as those past teams. So that's kind of how I look at it. We're not the same team at all. Every team each year is different. But I'm not going to say that this team is the same as last year's team. We're just not fighting as hard. We get a bunch of different guys out there. We've been trying to find our way since the beginning, haven't quite found that yet. There's still a lot of season left and we expect to play better.
- [43:24]
Matt Hasselbeck
And by the way, when you added the cold and the snow and the wind to Buffalo, that looked like Josh Allen against Mac Jones last night. I'm just saying. I mean, you can talk about you want Everybody looks good in September and October, that football game. That's what the weather is. That's why northern teams, historically, that's where the dynasties happened. As good as the Dolphins were with Marino and Shula, Dan Marino got to one Super Bowl. John Elway got to a lot of them in cold weather. Denver because this is how this sport ends every year, it looks like that.
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Unknown
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Levar Arrington
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Unknown
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- [49:45]
Matt Hasselbeck
So during the Michigan, Ohio State game, when it ended and this thing will go away, it was the flag planting and so it got really ugly during Ohio State, Michigan, but Arizona State did it to Arizona, South Carolina did it to Clemson, North Carolina did it to NC State. By the way, Texas was going to do it at Texas A and M and Sark pulled the Longhorns off the field. He's like, nah, I've been watching TV today, I know what going on, get out of here. So it's going to go away. Kids are emotional. I'm not going to make too much of it the much bigger issue because this, they won't allow this stuff going forward. It'll be a huge fine and I, you know, when you have a big rivalry game and 19 to 23 year old kids, stuff can get sideways pretty quick. This is pretty Classless, both sides, but it happens. It's ugly. I mean, there was pepper spray. It was brutal. It's not the end of the world. It's. It'll get fixed real quick. So the bigger issue is, and it's that Ohio State has lost or I'm not sure it's ever had under Ryan Day, an identity. They brought Chip Kelly in to be more of a run centric power football because that's what Chip Kelly does, but they're not. And I said this earlier and I really believe this. A head coach's job is to win games. And sometimes he's got to tell a coordinator or a special teams coordinator, we're not going for a block here. We're not blitzing here. We're throwing the ball here. It felt like Ohio State was trying to prove, hey, we could be more physical than Michigan. Well, Michigan's two best players are arguably defensive linemen, so it was going to be hard to run on them. And Ohio State's O line's all banged up this year. Throw the ball. I mean, they were missing one of their better corners. I believe Michigan wants like, throw, throw the ball. You're at home. Speed the tempo up. Michigan's not as deep as you this year. They lost too many NFL guys. And so Ryan Day acted a lot like coordinators act. And I do think a lot of. And I, you know, Ryan Day's a good coach. I don't think he's a great coach. He's not Urban Meyer, he's not Nick Saban, he's not Dabo Sweeney. But, but I, and I see this before, is that Mark Rich, that Georgia never been a head coach before the Georgia job. He did a good job. He was a fine coach. But you always felt like, what is Georgia beyond talented? What's their identity? An Urban Meyer team, a Saban team, a Pete Carroll team. There are multiple steps that Ryan Day skipped. He was a quarterback coach, briefly, a coordinator. Your job, that's usually like Dayton or Toledo, that's not Ohio State. So I feel like he's struggling to have an identity. And your identity should be based on a couple of things. One, your personality. Ohio State has become the best wide receiver university in the country. They have a great recruiter, Brian Hartline. Their receiving corps every year is better than 50% of the NFL or more. Throw the ball. Spend money on quarterbacks, left tackles and recruit high school wide receivers. Throw the ball. That's what you are. Oregon, by the way, has figured that out. Oregon has a real identity with Dan Lanning. And again, this is a guy who'd never been a head coach, but Dan Lanning is like, we are going to play relentless, aggressive football. But they recruit California speed. So Oregon's like, let's go pay money for a transfer quarterback and we're going to spread it out and throw the ball. Oregon has an identity, so some coaches who have never been head coaches, they can figure out that identity. When I watch Oregon, Oregon is telling you we're faster than you. We're going to spread you out. You can't cover our receiver. We got too many good fast guys. You don't have that many good corners. We're going to throw the ball, we're going to go vertical, and they play hard and they're aggressive and they go for it. Oregon's got that identity with Dan Lanning. You're not beating us in Austin. We're faster than you. We're a track team. You can't keep up and we're going to hit you in the mouth. We're going to be hyper aggressive. Fourth downs. We're going for it. Blitzing. We're all for it. I don't know what Ohio State's identity is. They're talented. Michigan has an identity and their identity this year is they can't pass. But they're physical. They're physical and they can stop your run. And, but that, that was a, that's as bad a loss as I can ever remember an Ohio State team having at home against a walk on quarterback. Michigan was missing two of their best players. I mean, it's just, I woke up the next morning, I still couldn't figure it out. What did I watch? Hour three. Next.
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Doug Gottlieb
This is Doug Golly from All Ball with Doug Godley. Listen, I'm going to get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high. But it's going to take all of us to stop it. I mean we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a time out Against Hate. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me in calling for timeout against hate by following hatsupwithhate or posting the Blue Square emoji.
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Colin Cowherd
What makes the holiday special are the details from Genesis. And every little detail in a Genesis is another gift to you, like an available heated steering wheel during winter. That's a gift you'll love for the available Nappa leather seats. And how about a $1,000 bonus on select Genesis vehicles? The deal ends January 2nd. See participating Genesis retailers for details. Experience the Genesis signature event. Visit genesis.com to see how Genesis can make your holidays even brighter.
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