Hour 2 - Cooper Flagg

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2: Cooper Flag Release Date: April 7, 2025

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Introduction

The second hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd dives deep into the world of collegiate basketball and the NFL draft, offering insightful analyses and expert opinions. Hosted by Jason McIntyre and Alex Curry, with guest NFL Insider Jordan Schultz, the episode provides a comprehensive look at emerging sports talents and critical developments in professional sports.

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Spotlight on Cooper Flag: Rising Star in College Basketball

Jason McIntyre initiates the discussion with an enthusiastic analysis of Cooper Flag, a standout freshman from Duke University. Highlighting Flag's impressive performance, McIntyre states:

"I am extremely bullish on Cooper Flag and NBA prospects. I think he's going to be a superstar." ([04:00])

Flag's recent game featured 27 points, seven rebounds, five assists, and three blocks, leading Duke in nearly every significant statistical category. McIntyre draws comparisons between Flag and NBA greats, emphasizing his multifaceted skill set:

"Kevin Garnett is the best comparison for Cooper Flag... I think Cooper Flag is going to have a more stronger impact in his rookie year for sure than KG." ([07:30])

Despite some online and in-person criticism, McIntyre defends Flag's potential, arguing that his versatility makes him a five-tool player poised for greatness. He challenges listeners with a thought-provoking question:

"If I told you over under one and a half career MVPs for Cooper Flag, are you going over or under?" ([07:00])

Alex Curry concurs with McIntyre's enthusiasm, adding:

"He is as good a prospect as we've seen to come out in the last decade... I really like him and I think he's going to go higher than most people think." ([10:34])

The hosts collectively advocate for Flag's high draft stock, suggesting that his American heritage brings a fresh dynamic to the NBA dominated by European players. McIntyre passionately concludes:

"Cooper Flag's the best white American basketball prospect since Larry Bird. It's been about 40 years, okay." ([09:30])

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NFL Draft Insights: Shador Sanders and Jaylen Milroe

Transitioning to the NFL, McIntyre introduces Jordan Schultz, an NFL Insider, to discuss prominent quarterback prospects. The conversation centers around Shador Sanders and Jaylen Milroe, two quarterbacks generating significant buzz ahead of the draft.

Shador Sanders has recently been the subject of speculation regarding his draft position. McIntyre asks:

"What the hell's going on with Shador Sanders? I saw a Tennessee report using wording I've never seen before. We have mutually agreed to cancel our..." ([11:00])

Schultz explains that the cancellation likely indicates confidence in Sanders' abilities, suggesting:

"A top-level executive told me what he saw from Shador J. Mack was not just the accuracy and the catchability, but the velocity on the football." ([12:00])

The discussion delves into the challenges of evaluating quarterbacks in the NFL draft, with McIntyre expressing skepticism about teams' abilities to accurately assess QB talent:

"Nobody in the NFL knows what the hell they're doing when drafting a quarterback." ([14:59])

Alex Curry emphasizes the importance of acquiring multiple quarterbacks to mitigate the inherent uncertainties in drafting the position:

"The best solution is to get multiple quarterbacks... to give yourself the best possible scenario of getting this thing right." ([17:25])

The conversation also touches on Jaylen Milroe, highlighting his athletic prowess and potential to exceed draft expectations:

"Jalen Milroe is abundantly talented. I think he's going to go higher than most people think." ([18:17])

Both hosts agree that the fit within a team's system is crucial for the success of these quarterbacks, cautioning that situational factors could significantly impact their professional trajectories.

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Shohei Ohtani’s Return and NBA Nuggets' Struggles

Shifting focus to baseball, the hosts discuss Shohei Ohtani's anticipated return to pitching:

"Shohei throwing his first bullpen session since February 25th is a really good sign." ([31:00])

Jordan Schultz emphasizes patience regarding Ohtani's recovery from injury, noting the Dodgers' deep pitching roster allows them to manage his return without rushing him:

"Shohei Ohtani will pitch again this season, but there's no need to rush him right now." ([32:00])

In the NBA segment, the conversation turns to the Denver Nuggets and Russell Westbrook's recent performance. Despite Nikola Jokic's stellar stats, the Nuggets faced a loss against the Pacers:

"Despite Nikola Jokic putting up crazy numbers in the losses last night, Denver lost 125 to 120 to the Pacers." ([36:00])

Jason McIntyre criticizes Westbrook's decision-making and demeanor, expressing disappointment over his performance and post-game conduct:

"The decision making, the inability to shoot the questionable calls, and now this. Being a jerk with the media." ([39:00])

Jordan Schultz responds by highlighting the importance of veteran leadership and the need for players to set a positive example, especially during critical stretches of the season:

"As a veteran on a team, to come in with excitement, experience, this is not setting a good example." ([40:19])

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Closing Thoughts and Final Discussions

As the episode nears its end, the hosts briefly touch upon other sports highlights, including Alex Ovechkin surpassing Wayne Gretzky's all-time scoring record in the NHL and various other sports-related news. Jason McIntyre shares personal anecdotes and expresses his passion for sports, while Jordan Schultz offers final insights into the ongoing sports narratives.

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Notable Quotes

• Jason McIntyre:

  • "I am extremely bullish on Cooper Flag and NBA prospects. I think he's going to be a superstar." ([04:00])
  • "Nobody in the NFL knows what the hell they're doing when drafting a quarterback." ([14:59])
  • "Cooper Flag's the best white American basketball prospect since Larry Bird. It's been about 40 years, okay." ([09:30])

• Alex Curry:

  • "He is as good a prospect as we've seen to come out in the last decade... I really like him and I think he's going to go higher than most people think." ([10:34])
  • "The best solution is to get multiple quarterbacks... to give yourself the best possible scenario of getting this thing right." ([17:25])
  • "I think Jackson Dart... there is a very possible scenario where he ends up going in the first and ends up being the third quarterback drafted after the top two." ([20:44])

• Jordan Schultz:

  • "A top-level executive told me what he saw from Shador J. Mack was not just the accuracy and the catchability, but the velocity on the football." ([12:00])
  • "As a veteran on a team, to come in with excitement, experience, this is not setting a good example." ([40:19])

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Conclusion

In this engaging episode, The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers a thorough exploration of emerging talents in collegiate basketball and the complexities of the NFL draft. With expert analysis and passionate discussions, listeners gain valuable insights into the future stars of sports and the strategic considerations shaping their professional journeys.

Transcript

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[Alex Curry]

Now let's get this party started.

[Jason McIntyre]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio hour number two here on the Herd. Yes, it's a beautiful Monday morning and Colin Cowherd is fishing somewhere with beautiful blue waters. Jason McIntyre in joined by Alex Curry. Alex wearing her Dodger blue. Even though it wasn't a great weekend for the Dodgers, it was all around.

[Jordan Schultz]

It's okay, though.

[Jason McIntyre]

It's going to be fun.

[Jordan Schultz]

It was great, you know, and you got to put mad respect. We talked about it last hour. Bryce Harper's comment on Only Losers complaints about what the Dodgers doing and then they came out and they took the series against the Dodgers. That's what real competitors do. So respect.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, we got Jordan Schultz coming up soon, folks. This was a first for me in the morning. Morning meeting, you know, we got the great morning meeting with our staff and I said, guys, do we have any Cowboys material? Because I have some. I have what I think in my head. It's an amazing line about the Cowboys.

[Alex Curry]

But.

[Jason McIntyre]

But we don't have any Cowboys talk today. Well, it's fine. Jordan Schultz coming up. Lot of Shador Sanders stuff. It is smokescreen season in the NFL draft. I'll just preface it with that. Some Jaylen Milro news. Yeah, my guy. I see you out there, Bear. Felica, I know you don't love him. That's fine. We'll do that coming up. But first, we need to start this hour with a quick, brief Cooper flag discussion. Okay, I'll preface this. I am extremely bullish on Cooper flags and NBA prospects. I think he's going to be a superstar. Okay, not everybody on staff feels the same way. And I saw a lot of weird dislike for Cooper Flag Saturday night online and in person. Guys, I'm hanging out with Cooper. He's a little overrated. Okay, so let's start with Saturday night flag 27 points, seven boards, five assists, three blocks. He leads Duke in practically every single statistical category that matters. He's a 6, 9, 18 year old freshman. And if you remember a few weeks ago on the show, you know, Cowherd keeps pushing this. I see Jason Tatum in Cooper Flag and I get that it's, it's not a bad comparison. Duke guys, people love the cross cultural, you know, black, white, com. I, I get all that and I see the Tatum. I see a little bit of Tatum. Other people I've seen AK47, Andre Kirilenko. I'm sure people are scoffing at that but like a five tool guy who can do it all. So remember I asked Chat GPT what's a. What's the best comp for Cooper Flag? Given size, length, measurements, scoring, blah blah, blah blah blah. And Chat GPT, which is according to Michael Scott. You know, if Chat GPT existed, doing the office did never wrong. Kevin Garnett is the best comparison for Cooper Flag. And I love that comparison personally. But remember when KG came out, he was wiry, he was straight high school to I think it was Farragut Academy in Chicago to the pros. And Kevin Garnett was like a young skinny guy, kind of like one of those animals that's just born and is like struggling to find its footing. And it took him a couple years and then he was a beast. I think Cooper Flag is going to have a more stronger impact in his rookie year for sure than kg. I do believe the ceiling is massive for Cooper Flag. Now, interesting question I'm going to pose to you the audience. Okay, if I told you over under one and a half career MVPs for Cooper Flag. You going over. Are you going under one and a half? Steve Nash has two. Shaq I think has one. Kobe should have more. I'm going the over on Cooper flag, guys. Over one and a half MVPs. I, I'm probably going irrational here, but I want to remind you, you could go find this on YouTube last summer. USA Basketball Camp. Yes, J. Mac, it was a scrimmage. Settle down. Okay, Cooper Flag's leading like the B team against the starters. And here. Oh, we got the footage here. So if you that play that we just read. Gosh, the staff is good. Okay, Cooper Flag brings the ball up the court, six, nine. And he's being guarded full court by Drew Holiday, an elite defender, a superstar in the NBA. Drew Holiday is a superstar. Wins the title with the Bucks, goes to the Celtics, wins it like he's really, really good. Cooper Flag brings it up against Drew Holiday's pressure. He gets the switch onto Anthony Davis. Okay? Anthony Davis, a great defender. Look at ad. Here we go. Pull up what, three right in his eye. That's Kevin Garnett types. I'm sorry, Kevin Durant type stuff. Guys, don't sleep on this. Cooper Flag as a one loss. I need to remind you again, Zion Williamson, who was a freak coming out of Duke, generational talent, okay? He ain't sniffing no mvp. He can't. He's eating his way out of the league. He cannot handle New Orleans. He can't stay healthy. Cooper Flag's gonna be a better pro than Zion. Now. Zion's had some immense highs where he was scoring at a shack like rate in the paint. He just can't sustain it. I think Cooper Flag's gonna be better. He's 18 years old. He was 17 earlier in the season when he was dropping 20 on folks at 17. And I guess I'll. We got a John Shire bite from the loss. Don't let this loss for Cooper Flag define him.

[Alex Curry]

You go from some of the most special moments in the tournament to the most heartbreaking loss. And I'm not about to feel sorry for one second.

[Jason McIntyre]

These guys have done an incredible job. It's heartbreaking.

[Alex Curry]

It's incredibly disappointing.

[Jason McIntyre]

There's a lot of pain that comes with this. That's what the tournament is all about. I didn't like that he faded away. He did that a couple times in the final 10 minutes against the Houston pressure. That's fine. I'll leave you with two notes. Okay. Last week I floated the idea. If the Charlotte Hornets win the lottery, you draft Cooper Flag and you trade Lamelo ball. I'm getting murdered on YouTube all weekend in the comment section. This guy. Oh, no ball. Lamelo's amazing. I'm just telling you, that's an oil and water mix. Lamelo's I gotta get mine kind of guy. He's a great passer, but he don't like to pass. He's like a Monta Ellis, right? Just a bucket getter. Now he's a bigger version. I think you got to move off him and make Cooper Flag your guy. And the final note as to why I think we're feeling some pushback and I'm going to just wedge this one in. Cooper Flag's the best white American basketball prospect since Larry Bird. It's been about 40 years, okay? All the Euros dominating. They're not Americans. Cooper Flag is an American. We're in an era right now. Very divisive in this country. A lot of people don't like the NBA for a certain reason. I think Cooper Flag is going to have that kind of positive impact on the NBA next season. All right, let's get to our guest, Jordan Schultz, NFL Fox Insider. Mr. NFL Jordan, I know you're a big hoops fan. Come on, you played, we've talked. You played some hoops. I tried to get you on my men's league team. Give me your quick dime Store thoughts on Cooper Flag before we get to the NFL.

[Alex Curry]

Oh, I think he is as good a prospect as we've seen to come out in the last decade. Absolutely love him. It's frustrating to see Duke lose because this was the best team they've had. I think they were even better than the Zion team that didn't go to the Final Four. But I don't see any weakness. You mentioned he reclassified. He really should be in high school. I don't see any weakness with them. Love him and he is a as good a can't miss as you can find.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, let's pivot to the NFL where you just are on such a heater. Breaking news left and right. So, Jordan, I know you're best friends with Jamar Chase now and a lot of the players around the league I see on the IG taking photos of them. I got to start with Shador Sanders. And listen, we know it is smokescreen season. What the hell's going on with Shador Sanders? I saw a Tennessee report that I've never seen this wording. We have mutually agreed to cancel our. Whatever it was, the Tennessee Titans. Yeah, we've mutually agreed to not meet. Like what's happening?

[Alex Curry]

What does that mean? J. Mac? Yeah, all that means is, well, two things. One is that Cam Ward is probably going to go number one, which we've been saying for the last month or so. And secondly, it means that Shador Sanders actually had a fantastic pro day. And why would they cancel? Because they saw everything they needed to see. Not just Tennessee, but I think everyone else did. So if you look at where his ceiling is, I think it's potentially two or three with Cleveland and New York and then you have New Orleans at 9 and then you have Pittsburgh at 21. So there are some scenarios in which he doesn't go in the top five. That's possible. But a top level executive who was in Boulder for the pro day told me that what he saw from Shador J. Mack was not just the accuracy and the catchability, but the velocity on the Football. And why that matters is because he has been typecasted, fair or not, throughout this process, as not having maybe the strongest NFL arm. But what we saw in Boulder was an added velocity, 5, 10%, and that's going to help him when it comes to the draft process.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, so Jordan, I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist at large, but when it comes to the NFL draft, I for some reason get sucked into this nonsense. So remember a couple months ago, Deion was asked, hey, are you going to try to like steer your guy?

[Alex Curry]

Right.

[Jason McIntyre]

Your son somewhere? The way Elway steered John and Eli Manning, also his family kind of steered him.

[Alex Curry]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Are we going to see that? And Dion's like, yeah, I don't want him playing for certain teams. And now we haven't heard any that's all of a sudden backed off. And you combine that with Shador, allegedly, he's not a great athlete. I hear, I keep hearing this. I don't get it. If he wanted to disprove everybody, wouldn't he just do the vertical and the three cone and run all that stuff? Be like, look, I'm an athlete. Is he trying to steer himself to a certain team by not giving away everything and showing everybody what he's got?

[Alex Curry]

No, because I think a lot of guys now, J. Mac, are not doing all those measurements. And for him, for Shador specifically, I would push back and say, actually he's a good athlete. He's just not a great runner. He's fast, he's not electric, he can maneuver the pocket enough, but he is a pocket guy. So there are certain things that Shador does that Cam doesn't do and vice versa. And you can even put Jackson Dart, Milroe, Tyler Schuck in that conversation. All these guys have their attributes really well that they do, and then they have weaknesses. This is not anywhere near the type of class that we saw last year where you had 1, 2, 3 with Caleb and Daniels and May and even Penix McCarthy and Knicks. This is not that level class. But Shador Sanders is going to be a starting caliber high end quarterback, I believe. And why he's not doing the 40 and the cone drills, that's up to interpretation. But I think a big part of it is, is because he recognizes that what he does best isn't really going to show when it comes to the drills. He is a pocket guy. He throws a really accurate ball. Someone told me, an executive told me it's basically like a 20 yard handoff. That's his game. And I think when it Comes to Shador at the next level. He's probably ready to go now, more so than people realize because he's played so much football at Jackson and at Colorado and because his game really is a pro level pocket game.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, Jordan, this is a little tougher. And again, and nobody wants to admit this, okay, you and I, every NFL team, every front office, we have to be real. The three best quarterbacks in the NFL right now, none of them went top five. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson. None of them went top five. It is a factual statement to say nobody in the NFL knows what the hell they're doing when drafting a quarterback. We saw Maserati Mitch because he was a great athlete. Oh, we got to take him. We got to take him.

[Alex Curry]

Maserati Mitch.

[Jason McIntyre]

I love it.

[Alex Curry]

How about Zach Wilson throw?

[Jason McIntyre]

Sorry, not Maserati. Mazda, Mitch. He's not a Maserati. We saw Mazda Mitch. The Norman Mahomes, Zach Wilson just crush it apart. Oh, look at it. He throws a beautiful ball. We got sucked into taking him second overall. Nobody knows what they're doing. There's a world where Shador isn't awesome. He's like a Drew Brees. I don't. He's accurate, makes every pass. Like, can we just admit that we don't know what we're doing at quarterback when it comes to the NFL? No. Is that okay?

[Alex Curry]

Nobody knows less than me when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks. This is a 50, 50 at best, at best. J. Mac situation. And one of the reasons I think Shador is so interesting is because there has been so much pushback on whether or not he's going to be the next superstar quarterback, the next star quarterback. And because he has the bloodlines with Dion and obviously everything that goes with it. You could also say, and I would look at. I know we want to talk about Joe Milton. Look at what New England just did, okay? Because they just traded Joe Milton a few days ago. We. It was. It was a pretty big deal for that to happen right before the draft. And the reason I bring that up goes back to your question. When it comes to evaluating quarterbacks. 50, 50 at best. The best solution to it, whether it's Shador, Jackson, Dart, any of these guys, is to get multiple quarterbacks. You go back to what Philly did when they had Carson Wentz. They draft Jalen, hurts Washington. When they had RG3, they got Kirk Cousins. And even now, if you think about Dallas, they have Dak Prescott. They just got Joe Milton. That is actually ironic because Elliott Wolf, who's the de facto GM in New England, his dad is Ron Wolf. He drafted Brett Favre. And obviously his. His theory was, let me get a quarterback, a new quarterback every year, basically as a backup. This is the quarterback business. The right move is to get as many of these guys as possible, acquire as much talent at the hardest position to evaluate, not only in football, but in all of pro sports. That's the solution. So I actually gave Dallas a lot of credit. And I think a lot of these teams that are drafting quarterbacks when they already have a quarterback, that's the right move. And so when it comes to whoever gets Sanders or Dart or Milroe, it would be. It would behoove them, in my opinion, to get another version, another guy, or to have a veteran on the roster so that you can absolutely give yourself the best possible, I would say, scenario of getting this thing right.

[Jason McIntyre]

100% agree. All right, let's go to. It was a news blip over the weekend. Didn't get much attention, but to a guy who's been championing this dude, it got a lot in my mind. Jaylen Milroe has accepted an invite to the Green Room in Green Bay. Hmm. Jordan, we haven't heard jack squat about Jalen Melro in two months. It's all Jackson darts rising up. Hey, look out. He could go top 10. I keep coming back to this, Jordan. We saw a full season of Shador. We saw a full season of Milro. I know it was up and down at times, but those guys best is freaking phenomenal. And I am of the belief that Jaylen Milro has some kind of promise in the top 20 or he would not be going to the Green Room to maybe get the Will Levis treatment. Remember a year ago this time, Jordan, no cap as a kid, say Will Levis top five. He could go number three. Remember that? That was a real thing. Yeah, he fell to the second round two years ago. Sorry.

[Alex Curry]

Yeah. It's not only Levis, it's Matt Corral, it's Malik Willis. We've had a lot of these quarterbacks with a lot of hype, and then they don't end up going where they potentially thought they would. I don't know where Jaylen Miller is going to get drafted. What I do know about Jalen Milroe is he is the best athlete arguably in the draft. He is. He has a special, special combination of size, speed, athleticism, running basically a 4:3 at 220 pounds. I think what the big question is is what's his upside as a passer now, what he does really well and why he's going to go probably higher than most people think, whether it's top 20, I'm not sure, is he has a very, very good deep ball. He showcased that the last two years, the NFL in many ways has transitioned to not being so much deep ball oriented. But Milroe has a very strong arm, a very good deep ball, and as one executive told me, he eats up zone coverage. So a lot of these clubs now are running zone defense. All of that is going to help Jalen Milroe when it comes to the NFL draft. Now you mentioned the Green Room, him going to Green Bay. I think that surprised some people. But he has had some phenomenal private workouts that I think are going to ultimately elevate him when it comes to draft weekend. He's one of those guys that we could be looking back in three or four years and saying how could he have not been a top 10 pick? Or we could look back and say that's why he wasn't a top 10 pick. I happen to believe it's the, it's the former. I think Jalen Milroe is abundantly talented. I think the Alabama offense, in many ways as good as it was, didn't showcase all the things he did and he didn't have the elite wide receivers that that offense has had over the last several years. So I really like him and I think he's going to go higher than most people think.

[Jason McIntyre]

What did you say? Some of this stuff is situational. If Lamar Jackson, who fell to 32, right, doesn't go to the Ravens, a great organization. If he goes to the Browns or something like he ain't gonna be Lamar Jackson. I'm sorry, it's just, that's just not how it works. And so I, I worry if Milroe goes to like Pittsburgh, which just doesn't know what to do with quarterbacks, I don't know so much of it is fit. But I do want to say this Jackson Dart stuff, guys, can we just stop? You may like him, you may know his agent. I'm not. I don't hate Jackson Dart. I don't know anything about him. I've never talked to anyone.

[Alex Curry]

You know what, you're not a fan.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think he was great in college, but I don't think he's first round pick material. Do you?

[Alex Curry]

So, okay, so coming out of sc, no, but I think what he did in Oxford at Ole Miss really put him in that conversation. Now I'm not ready to stamp him as a first rounder. But what I am ready to do is say that the league has finally come around on Dart enough that there is a very possible scenario where he ends up going in the first and ends up being the third quarterback drafted after the top two. So I think Jackson Darth, you mentioned scenario. You mentioned Lamar having to go to somewhere like the Ravens. If Jackson Dart goes to a system where he can sit a year and really learn an NFL offense, look at JJ McCarthy last year. Now he's going to have an opportunity to start. Obviously he had the two knee surgeries, but Dart has a live arm. He's a very good athlete and I think his game is very conducive to the NFL. What does that mean? That means he's really good in the short, intermediate game. He may not have the arm strength as some of these other guys coming out, but what he does have is a very, very good ball when it comes to that 15, 20 yard that in. And that, as I said earlier, is in many ways where the NFL has gone. So I think right now I would say I'm not ready to stamp him, like I said, as a first rounder. But I think there's a really good chance and a much better chance now than a month ago, even coming out of India at the combine that Jackson D ends up going in the first round.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, just two more quick ones. Number one, what do you make of this? And again, I probably shouldn't even address it, but this Dallas could be getting Shadour Sanders and trade Dak to the Browns. I don't know why I'm seeing it. I probably shouldn't even ask that. It's such a lowest common denominator question. But can you just squash it? Unless you think there's no I'll squash it.

[Alex Curry]

Because even if the Dallas or the Browns wanted that, the money that Dak is going to earn this year, it really doesn't work out for where Cleveland's at on the cap, having come off the desean contract. And no, Dallas just doesn't want to doesn't want to trade him. Dak is going to be the future of that franchise. They have like six quarterbacks on that roster. We talked about Joe Milne earlier, but I don't see any scenario and I asked around on this over the weekend, over the last week as that rumor started to speculate or percolate. I don't see any scenario where Dak is traded, especially to the Browns.

[Jason McIntyre]

I want your hottest take that you've heard it could be off the record, it could be speculative, it could be wild. We're doing Wacky Monday here. Anything goes. I I'll tell you mine is that the Raiders. Everybody's looking at this Gino Smith deal. If you look closely, that's not a serious he's our guy. I wonder if Shador is there at 6. I believe we're looking at a Matt Flynn, Russell Wilson situation where they sign Flynn, he's their guy, and then they get Russell Wilson, he beats him out. I would keep an eye on Shador at 6. That's my only hot take. But I, I was Collins College basketball and girls volleyball all weekend. I need your hottest take. New stuff. Nothing that you've put out there on social yet.

[Alex Curry]

Okay, wow. Well, let me address the Raiders quick because I do think there was a big contingent in that building that believes and wants assigned the running back out of Boise State at 6. He's visiting there today, I think. Hottest take though. Okay, here's my hottest take. Omarion Hampton out of North Carolina is not only the second running back taken, but will be an all pro caliber player within the next two to three years and is a superstar in the making. Omarion Hampton out of North Carolina is a do everything running back. Super special. Can flat out catch the football. 50, 60 catches he's going to have in year one. He is a.300 touch guy. He's an absolute workhorse. Does not need to come off the field. Love me some Omarion Hampton fantasy star. J. Mac, get him next year while you can. And one more for you, Ameca obuga. And I didn't pronounce that correctly, but Ameka out of Ohio State is going to be potentially underdrafted and that's going to be a big mistake. Talk to Brian Hartline. The Ohio State wide receiver coach yesterday said that if you go on and watch the tape and he's had everyone from Marvin Harrison all the way down, Chris Olave, all these guys, he said Ameka is one of these special, special players where even if his numbers or his his testing isn't off the charts, his production will be. So those are my two big bold statements, but we're still a few weeks away, J.

[Jason McIntyre]

Man, we got some time. By the way, I like the Cowboys to look at golden or Emeka for a wide receiver opposite CD Lamb. You got to get Dax some help Anyway, Jordan Schultz, NFL Insider. I mean, listen, the guy's crushing it and he's a big deal. Thanks a lot, Jordan. Oh, my pleasure.

[Alex Curry]

Thanks for the kind words, brother.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, yeah. Alex, I know you're excited about the NFL draft. Like, I just get geeked about this stuff and I know Schultz a little bit. So it's a lot of fun.

[Jordan Schultz]

What I love most is like, you kind of have to like, remember the human factor of it. Like, this is a night where like dreams come true. And when you watch a lot of these, a lot of the first round picks that are there and they get to show them and their families are there around them, it's like you see tears, you see emotion, you see it's, it's a life changing moment. And like, yeah, we can do all these mock drafts. We can predict who we think is going to go where. We know nothing. We know nothing. And then one pick changes. Everything else is a domino effect. So it's just so much fun to follow and watch.

[Jason McIntyre]

Nobody knows. All right, coming up next, Alex is going to talk to us about the Wild Wild West. Oh my gosh, Western Conference standing after the Lakers is crazy. So that's next.

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[Jordan Schultz]

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[Guest Speaker]

That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle, into the national conversation.

[Jason McIntyre]

Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.

[Guest Speaker]

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Thanks for having me, Jeremy.

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And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.

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Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.

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And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.

[Alex Curry]

We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.

[Guest Speaker]

Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason McIntyre]

Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this Is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd. Develop your eq. A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is do you trust me? Do I commute?

[Alex Curry]

Communicate well?

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You know, when you walk in a.

[Alex Curry]

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[Jason McIntyre]

Do people know you have a heart? Develop the team, Develop the people. Create a system of trust.

[Alex Curry]

And it works over time.

[Jason McIntyre]

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[Jason McIntyre]

Let's go to Alex Curry with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Alex Curry]

This is the Herdline news.

[Jordan Schultz]

Let's start with some baseball and the superstar. The face of baseball, Shohei Ohtani threw a 26 pitch bullpen session on Saturday morning. The timeline for Ohtani's return as a pitcher is still up in the air. But Shohei throwing his first bullpen session since February 25th is a really good sign. And manager Dave Roberts says he expects Ohtani to be on a seven day program as he progresses. Now, J. Mac, you asked me earlier, am I in my patient person? This is where you are patient. Right. You have to remember Ohtani is coming off his second Tommy John ish surgery. They're not calling it a Tommy John surgery, but it was still a UCLA repair tear. And I don't have high expectations of a, of a rush back. The Dodgers are stacked at the pitching position. This is something that they struggled with towards the end of last season with injuries, starting bullpen close everything. They had holes and so that was the focus this offseason. Even with them losing Blake Snell going on the 15 day il this weekend with shoulder inflammation, they still have Roki Sasaki, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Tyler Glass. Now Dustin May Kershaw hasn't even pitched yet. So they have so many high quality arms that they can turn to and we've, we've even seen them like poll guys early and have bullpen games and do great. Shohei Ohtani will pitch again this season, but there's no need to rush him right now. There is not even if there's a chance that he could re injure or have a step back. My mind, I'm thinking like all star break, like maybe like midway through the season All Star break, which is great for the down the stretch push. When they make that playoff push and into the postseason, I guess that the.

[Jason McIntyre]

Only comp and in the NFL they don't do this. You don't need to say it's a short season in the NBA. I remember early in the season Steph Curry, Curry was playing fewer minutes.

[Jordan Schultz]

Okay.

[Jason McIntyre]

We're like saving him. They're like we're not playing you over 30 minutes or 32 or whatever it was. LeBron's logging like 38, 40. Yeah. So the warriors saved him and now Curry's Having a great second half of the season. Do you think they're just saving like, hey, no, it's a marathon, guys.

[Jordan Schultz]

No, he like if to. If Ohtani is ready, he's going to be out there. Like I, I watched him obviously when he first came into Major League Baseball with the Angels and they did a great job of. We've never seen this before. You tell us what works for you and he is so disciplined and so great with managing his time that when he is ready, he is going to get out there and pitch. He loves being a two way player. He's a three time unanimous mvp. Two of those being as a two way player. If he is ready and when he is ready, he will be out there and he will be pitching. He does a great job of managing himself to make sure he doesn't overdo it and he can still be great, which he is as a two time mvp, as a two way player. Three, obviously overall he's gonna be fine.

[Jason McIntyre]

You think it's like a fifth starter, middle relief, clothes like or all of the above or whatever for Ohtani? Yeah.

[Jordan Schultz]

Oh, no. He's gonna be a starter. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no, he's. He's gonna be a starter. But it's taxing though. No, it's what he's done his entire life.

[Jason McIntyre]

I know, but he also like two surgeries.

[Jordan Schultz]

It's Ohtani though. Like if anyone can do it, it's gonna be him.

[Jason McIntyre]

So maybe I'm being too cautious, but like, yeah, that's the one guy you do not want to lose. Blake's down 15 day a fine. Fine.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

You don't need anything to happen to the franchise.

[Jordan Schultz]

No, he's going to be fine. Like even when he hurt his elbow for the first Tommy, right before he got the first Tommy John surgery, he was still hitting. He came out and hit a home run the next day. Like he's going to be okay and he is going to tell you if he can pitch it, if he's going to be already. And you have to trust him. He is the only one that knows what he can do because he's the only one that's done it. But I would say mid season and you have to remember he didn't have a spring training so it's going to be only like a couple innings. Like it's, it's not like they got to stretch him out, but it's going to be great because he should be at full strength and you know, full depth hopefully come the postseason, which is insane. Okay. Colorado held Its football showcase over the weekend. Shador Sanders threw in front of scouts and had Travis Hunter out there catching passes. After the event, Coach prime had a lot to say about his two stars.

[Alex Curry]

It's tremendous, but one is a little different than the other because one is a lot more criticized and scrutinized than others. They should be going 1, 2. That.

[Jason McIntyre]

That's the way I feel and I'm.

[Alex Curry]

Going to stand by that. I think they're the two best players in this draft, but the surest bets in this draft are those two young men. And I didn't start a stabber when I said that.

[Jordan Schultz]

Okay, so safest. Surest.

[Jason McIntyre]

You.

[Jordan Schultz]

You can't really predict how a player is going to transition from college to the NFL level until they're there. Everything's different. It's faster, the guys are bigger, the plays are different. You're not going to be with your. They both. They both look at Dion as a father figure. So it's a different coaching situation. I guess the question is can they be. Can he be successful? Right. Do you see Shador Sanders being successful in the NFL now? I don't think he's. I do not think he's going to be on the Mahomes and Josh Allen level. But like, can he be like a Baker Mayfield? Can he be a Brock Purdy kid? Can he win games? Can he make your team better? I think that's the question you really need to be asking yourself.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, it feels like Hunter for sure is going to be. Oh, he's going to be incredible as a receiver. Some of the. The measurables and the numbers. So he could be like elite at wide receiver within a couple years. Shador is a little different. Like you said and Jordan Schultz said. Where you go matters so much.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yes. Like it matters.

[Jason McIntyre]

New York Giants are a dumpster fire now. They have a great coach who fixed Josh Allen in Buffalo. I. I don't know if the infrastructure elsewhere in the Giants organization is good. The lion sticks. Like do the Raiders have that? They've got like a new. I think someone in the morning meeting this morning compared the Raiders to this year or last year's Washington commanders and just saying like that's kind of spicy.

[Alex Curry]

They.

[Jason McIntyre]

They got a full new everything.

[Jordan Schultz]

Everything.

[Jason McIntyre]

And it's like if.

[Jordan Schultz]

Should you go there Experience new though.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. So Surest. I mean Genti's really good.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think there's a couple defenders. Mason Graham from Michigan I think is really good. But I don't totally think Dion's wrong here. I think both of those players are gonna be good.

[Jordan Schultz]

But this is also very on brand for Dion. He's gonna hype up his guys. Just like it's very on brand for Shador to have the confidence that he's been having in the interviews that we've been hearing. Like all the talk of his. His draft stock dropping and people didn't like his interviews, it's like, what do you expect? You know who you're getting? Do you know who his father is? This is the family Brand. And don't you want a confident leader on your team? I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I. It's going to be interesting to see where he goes because again, I think you guys were talking about in a couple of different interviews. Like people are talking the talk, but it also could be a smokescreen. Like you don't know what teams are thinking and a lot of teams need quarterbacks and it's not a super strong quarterback draft. All right, moving on to NBA. Last week, Russell Westbrook fouled a three point shooter as time expired, costing the Nuggets a win. And the Nuggets haven't won since. Now, despite Nikola Jokic putting up crazy numbers in the losses last night, Denver lost 125 to 120 to the Pacers. And listen to Westbrook after the game. You guys need to clean us right.

[Jason McIntyre]

Now and get right before the end.

[Jordan Schultz]

Of the regular season.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm not sure, to be honest.

[Colin Cowherd]

Your coach just mentioned the urgency of.

[Alex Curry]

The situation, trying to avoid the play.

[Jason McIntyre]

And right now do you feel like in this locker room there's a sense of urgency? I don't know, man.

[Jordan Schultz]

You know, not sure this feels like I showed up so I don't get fined situation media scrum. But this is the worst time of year to go on a losing streak. Except especially with how close the west is right now. Right. Nuggets are currently in fourth, a game and a half back from the Lakers and third, but a game and a half ahead of Clippers, Warriors, Timberwolves, Grizzlies, who all have the exact same record. Like anything can happen this last stretch of the regular season. Like a two loss skid. Like you could be in the play in like you, you have like you half to win and they have what Kings, Grizzlies, Rockets, their last three games.

[Jason McIntyre]

Should win two of those. So they haven't had. What's his name, the guard? Jamal Murray. Yeah, for a couple games. So that hurts.

[Jordan Schultz]

That's big.

[Jason McIntyre]

But on Westbrook. So yeah, Alex and I are in the South Bay. Yeah. I gotta be careful.

[Jordan Schultz]

We've seen it. We've seen a lot of them.

[Jason McIntyre]

Listen, What Westbrook's family, I hear is amazing. They do great things in the community. They are awesome. And Russell Westbrook's had a great career. He's a Hall of Famer. I'm just saying, I. I don't trust him down the stretching gates. I'm sorry. The decision making, the inability to shoot the questionable calls, and now this. Being a jerk with the meat. He hasn't met the media since he lost them the game last week.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

And so he comes back and said, I'm not sure.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Come on, man. Just man up. Come on. Answer the damn questions. Like, if you. You're paid millions of dollars to play basketball, do not get started. Step up in front of the camera and accept defeat. And I played like crap. And I. I stunk. I. It was a rough day. Not my day. We've all been there.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

I might have a terrible show tomorrow. This show's been great. Tomorrow I might be terrible and I'll. I'll own it. But, like, I don't know. I'm not picking beef with the Westbrook people because I know he's sensitive, but this is just disappointing.

[Jordan Schultz]

But as a veteran on a team, to come in with excitement, experience, this is not setting a good example. This is not the attitude you want to have. This is not the mindset you should have down the stretch. This isn't the energy. Even just watching his interview, his energy, his. His body language, every. The tone.

[Jason McIntyre]

Players love him. Everybody loves him. And I get it. I'm sure. Phenomenal player, talent. I get that. I just.

[Jordan Schultz]

It's just, it's. It's the raw. It's the worst time of the year to be having a skid like this.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. Alex, story with the news.

[Alex Curry]

Well, that's the news.

[Jason McIntyre]

And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. I don't like to be mean. I swear. I'm a nice guy. Anyways, coming up next, listen, Alex Ovechkin set a big time record over the weekend, and I hope certain leagues and certain media members and certain TV shows were paying attention. That's next.

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We live in a divided country.

[Jason McIntyre]

I am a lifelong Republican with all.

[Guest Speaker]

Kinds of different people.

[Jordan Schultz]

You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.

[Guest Speaker]

That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.

[Jason McIntyre]

Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.

[Guest Speaker]

Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.

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Thanks for having me.

[Guest Speaker]

Jeremy, Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.

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[Guest Speaker]

And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.

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[Guest Speaker]

And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.

[Alex Curry]

We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.

[Guest Speaker]

Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason McIntyre]

Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this Is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd. Develop your eq.

[Alex Curry]

A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is do you trust me?

[Jason McIntyre]

Do I communicate well? You know, when you Walk in a room?

[Alex Curry]

Do people feel good you're there? Are you responsive to people?

[Jason McIntyre]

Do people know you have a heart? Develop the team, develop the people. Create a system of trust.

[Alex Curry]

And it works over time.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast, this is Working, leaders like Jamie Dimon, Mark Cuban and Richard Branson share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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And politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talk with comedian and CNN host Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.

[Jason McIntyre]

Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards, and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile, that's important. But you also need chaos, Negro. You need.

[Jordan Schultz]

So you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent?

[Jason McIntyre]

He told. He talked. You saw the clip of him talking to Obama. He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh, yeah. You what you did, you killed bin Laden. That's what's up.

[Jordan Schultz]

Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. It's the streets of Long beach for the 50th running of the Long Beach Grand Prix, the fastest racing on Earth continues. Sunday at 4:30 Eastern on Fox.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, so there was a big record broken over the weekend in the NHL. Now I'm going to be, you know, authenticity is big with me. Okay? Just keep it real, Jay. That's what I do. I expect from you guys, too. Just keep it real. I'm not a big hockey guy, okay? I played a lot of NHL, the Sega game, NHL hockey, 94 back in the day. When I was a kid, I played all the time. I knew the top players. But as you get older, you know, you get wifey, you got the kids, you're coaching, you're all this stuff. It's busy. For instance, I don't know if I should admit this, but, you know, my son's about to go into high school. So crazy to think. And we met with a guidance counselor recently to like, who can walk you through picking your classes. That stuff didn't happen when I was a kid. This is like, it's real. It's tough. It's competitive in high school now to get to college, so you got to sacrifice some stuff. So I sacrifice hockey. I, I just don't have the bandwidth for it. You know, it's a college football, NFL, the NBA and college hoops. And then it's playoffs for football, then it's March Madness and then it's playoffs for basketball and it's baseball. It's just too much. But over the weekend, I did notice that Alex Ovechkin eclipsed Wayne, Wayne Gretzky's all time scoring mark in, in hockey for goals. Most goals scored. Awesome record. Now, I did know this was coming up because the NHL, listen closely, has been championing this for weeks. Somebody in the, on our staff had a great line today. They were like, the hockey ethos is brotherhood. Everybody wraps their arms around a good story. It's positive, we love it. Ovech. Everybody was rooting for him. Wayne Gretzky, as Alex said earlier, was literally traveling with Ovechkin so they could monitor. I'm sure there's going to be like a Netflix show or something here in the coming months. So positive, okay? Very positive. We don't see that in every sport. I got to choose my words carefully, I'm told, is a sensitive subject for some leagues and so forth. But why don't we see this in basketball? Why don't we. I've been banging this drum for months, guys. I, I love what the NHL has done. Well, remember the, the nation's hockey all star game that went down? That was so exciting. It was a big Positive story. Everybody loved it. Great ratings. Why aren't we seeing this in the NBA? The night Jokic scored 61 and had a triple double, there's video of a, a one named former NBA star who said, oh, I'm better than him. I, I would, I would turn him into Slovenian barbecue chicken. I would give him 40. His brothers would want to fight me. Like, what are you doing? We got another guy. As LeBron is having the greatest season any 40 year old basketball players ever had. Carl Malone had a good one. LeBron's has been better. Trying to make it all about him. Oh, if he put his hands on me, I would have punched him. We would have thrown fists. Like, what are we doing? Why aren't we celebrating the greatness that's happening in the NBA? You see, and I know you're looking at it, I know you're watching Adam. So you're seeing what's happened in the NHL. It's a great story, man. Everybody's applauding this. Why don't we see that in the NBA? It should be happening. This is an amazing time to be an NBA fan. Phenomenal. And then you've got these big name dudes on tv. Oh, he's overrated. Do we have to see another highlight? What are we doing? Why is this happening? It's just really frustrating as a big hoops fan to see this like disdain for greatness. And it's all like insecure men bashing the current era so they can hype up their era as if they were. They had to be better. Like, I don't see why we do this. We're better. Like, again, I've said this many times, guys, look at airplanes. Airplanes are way better than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago, okay? Technology to the moon, okay? Like literally almost everything is better now than it was 30, 40 years ago. Now I know Jabbar was out there following LeBron when he was breaking his record. Hello. Kareem was a 70s star. I know he was good in the 80s too, but he was, his prime was in the 70s. Jabbar does not fall into those guys who are yelling stuff on TV every day. That's negative. Now I've said my part. I don't want to be too negative, but just, just food for thought. Adam Silver, call him in a room, be like, guys, let me put together a reel of you guys just hating on our stars who are freaking good. Can we be positive? There's a lot to champion and I know Jay. Hey, you've been bagging on some People, the show. Well, yeah. Luca had a horrible game last Thursday. I get it. I called him out. I said he wasn't good. His worst game as a Laker. You know what? He was awesome on Sunday. You got to champion that. So, like, let's. Let's try to keep it positive, shall we? Is that asking for too much now that I'm off my soapbox and we're near the end of the hour? I'm sorry, Ally. Alex is over there. And I could see Alex in out of the corner of my eyes working. I'm like, damn it, Somebody's gonna say something to me after. Let me just change the subject. Really? Out.

[Jordan Schultz]

Okay.

[Jason McIntyre]

So I saw a movie on the plane.

[Jordan Schultz]

What movie?

[Jason McIntyre]

A complete unknown. Timothy Chalamet. Bob Dylan.

[Jordan Schultz]

I haven't seen it yet. No, not yet.

[Jason McIntyre]

So good.

[Jordan Schultz]

Yeah. Let me just say, he was nominated.

[Jason McIntyre]

Sometimes you see, like, you know, Taylor Swift. If you guys were neighbors, you'd be tight. I feel like if Timothy Chalamet moved into my neighbor, we would be boys. He's a big sports guy. He seems cool.

[Jordan Schultz]

He is. And, like, he's the coolest.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I know he's a little younger than me, but still, like, I got.

[Jordan Schultz]

He's rad.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm a fan. The movie is excellent.

[Jordan Schultz]

Great style to him. And Kendrick Lamar have the same stylist, and it's like Chef's kiss. It's beautiful.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, so hopefully I'm back for the final hour. Alex has a lot of good stuff in case they kick me out of here. But we're gonna do John Shire and Duke. Can they recover? Probably, yeah.

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Jordan Schultz]

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