Dave Roberts (4:17)

Our contracts are all me, Draymond, Steve, Jimmy, all two years. And we want this ride to last.

Colin Cowherd (4:26)

As long as possible.

Dave Roberts (4:27)

But it's just about like what does this team need for next year? That's all I'm really focused on right now. And I'm excited about it because there's clarity. Although there are a lot of, you know, decisions that need to be made over the summer.

Colin Cowherd (4:40)

Okay, I saw a story this morning. I think it was Bobby Marks, a guy I respect. Hey, keep your eye on Brook Lopez. I'm like, he's 37 we've already got two 35s and a 37. We don't need another. But I do think they need a big and another wing defender and they're going to sign and trade Kaminga. So they're going to get a good piece for Kaminga. He's. He's played really well last three games of that series when Steph was off the floor. He just doesn't fit into that offense. Pods does, Quentin Post does. And so they got a great coach, a great star. They got a Batman and a Robin, they've got two young guys and they have a trade piece. I think the key is getting a big. Doesn't have to be a dominant big and they've got to get a pretty high. To me, a high end. Bigger. A high end wing piece. But they're going to have to part with Kaminga and they're going to have to part, I mean maybe with a Moses Moody or whatever it is contractually. But Jimmy Butler talked about he thinks the future's brighter than a lot of critics do. I still think that we have a lot of great basketball left ahead of us. I don't think this A's thing is anything the way that everybody's taking care of their bodies doing right. I think the potential is there. So with this full season we got coming up ahead, I think we'll be able to find out. Yeah. So I don't think the Lakers are in this good a position. I don't think they have Steve Kerr. I don't think they want to part with Austin Reaves where the warriors absolutely want to part with Kaminga. So they'll sign and trade him. I think both Steph and Jimmy Butler are complete, absolute workaholics and grinders. I think Luke could get you buckets And I think LeBron's older than Steph so I going forward. And so far Mike Dunleavy replacing Bob Myers has done a really good job as a gm. His last two picks have been really, really good. Both guys can play. I mean one guy comes from the Netherlands which doesn't have a history of a lot of great NBA guys. That's a great pick and you know, pods just growing in confidence. So I think the warriors future is brighter than the Lakers and a lot of it comes with. They have played Kaminga enough to know it doesn't work here. And I think Austin Reaves is a more consistent player than Kaminga. Kaminga is the longer better athlete. But the Lakers don't want to trade with Austin Reeves so they could get Real precious on that. I mean, the warriors know, like, we're going to move, we're going to move Kaminga. It just doesn't work in this ecosystem. So I don't know. I just, I look at the, I look at the west and if you tell me Kerr, Jimmy Butler, pods, post, Steph Curry, Draymond Green and a really legitimate B plus player, I don't know if they're going to dominate in the west, but I will say with the NBA allowing this level of physical play, you don't have to be as pretty. And Butler's a defender and Draymond's a defender and Kerr's a good defensive coach despite being more of an offensive guy as a player. So I, you know, I think it comes down to, you know, who do they get for Kaminga in the sign and trade? You know, it. Listen, the league is less mobile than it was five to 10 years ago, but everybody's looking to make trades. And I also think one of the things that. One of the things to think about is with all these teams now overachieving, at least in the eyes of many, the Knicks, the Pacers, the T Wolves, Denver, with all these teams sort of overachieving, I think GMs think to themselves, if I can get like a Mikhail Bridges level player, I don't need Durant, I don't need Giannis. If I can get a Mikhail Bridges and I have the right coach and the right star in Jalen Brunson, I can get to the conference finals. So to watch some of these lower seeds win, I think is really encouraging for teams that maybe, like we're playing teams or one and done teams. It's like the Knicks are proven. I mean, the Pacers are. Although the Pacers were underrated all year, but they're all proving it. Dave Roberts around the corner, Dodgers manager. Last night, Ohtani did it again on bobblehead night. I also thought this was kind of noteworthy. Is Dave ready to go? All right, let's bring him in. One of our favorite guys, Dave Roberts, 10 years, Dodger managers, two World Series championships, last five years. You know, I said earlier today that Tiger Woods, LeBron James and Ohtani are the only athletes in my life that came in hyped and have exceeded it. I mean, I think LeBron surpassing Magic Johnson in assists and Kareem in points is exceeding the hype with Ohtani. How do. It's weird to say manager, coach. What do you do when you have the greatest baseball player probably ever suggest things? Is it. I mean, what is it like to manage a Tiger in his prime, a LeBron in his prime.

Dave Roberts (9:41)

I think it's one of those things that. It's an interesting question. And number one is you try to stay out of the way as much as possible and not. Not intervene. That's number one. But I also think that you got to just treat these guys like everyone else. And I think that they really watch closely that you don't try to treat them any differently. But there's different in the sense of what they earn that right. But for the most part, I treat him just like anyone else. But Colin. Yeah, I agree. It's just like, you know, Tiger, what he did, you know, LeBron, the expectation. And you can probably say maybe Michael, but there's not many people. And now you're talking about Shohei on a global scale, like. And he's really the only player I've ever seen that's moved the needle with baseball.

Colin Cowherd (10:32)

Yeah, no, it's. It's. Baseball's in a good spot right now. I mean, Aaron Judge is putting up cartoon numbers. Ohtani, two huge brands. A lot of the best players are in the best spots. Now you. When Ohtani on Bobblehead Night hits two home runs and has six RBIs, give me a sense of the personality of the dugout. Are players amazed? Are they laughing? I mean, this kid, literally on bobblehead nights, in games in which the world is watching is better. Like, what is the reaction or the chemistry like, in the dugout at a night like last night?

Dave Roberts (11:06)

It's laughable. It really is. I think that, you know, his bobblehead night homers, and I would say his on base plus slug as OPS with the bobblehead is probably 2000. It seems like he homers every time. No, but Colin, it's unbelievable. Like any big moment, there's just, you know, it's like Michael taking the last shot. Tiger, he's going to make this putt. That doesn't always happen, but this guy, it seems like every single time there's a big moment, a big spot, anticipation. He delivers. And it's just with baseball where you just can't dictate all the time. It's just. It's really uncanny and like I said, laughable, I guess, is my answer.

Colin Cowherd (11:50)

What's the hardest? I mean, we know you've got a great roster. What's the hardest part about managing a really great roster?

Dave Roberts (12:02)

I think understanding. I think the hardest thing is having these guys want for more. Always kind of having some type of carrot. And at the end of the day trying to find something that's bigger than them. Because players are motivated by different things, whether it's celebrity, it's money, it's the hall of Fame. But if you can get these guys ultimately having a consistent message that it's not just about them, they will get their flowers and their notoriety. But it's about, for us, it's winning a baseball game each day and winning a championship and now potentially creating a legacy for the Dodgers.

Colin Cowherd (12:45)

You know, it's interesting. Your guys R and D has been great. Your analytics, you're ahead of the curve. A little like the warriors in the NBA. It's a really smart organization, top down. But the pitching injuries, Snell Glass know, it's just. It's all over baseball. Tommy John surgeries have exploded over the last decade. And I, you know, I read about this stuff, and a lot of people are saying the reason being all through baseball, it's not a Dodger issue, it's a sports issue, is that the answer to everything now is throw harder. We'll replace you in the fifth or sixth inning. And I'm just going to throw that out as a theory, because it's not just the Dodgers, it's everywhere with pitching injuries. Is the problem now that the instruction of baseball is guys throw as hard as you can every pitch? Because that's one of the theories out there about the increase in pitching injuries.

Dave Roberts (13:31)

Yeah, I think that's fair. I do. And the unfortunate thing is that it's starting in, you know, middle school, you know, kids that are 11, 12 playing travel ball. And I'm not trying to ding travel ball because I will say that the players are better than ever. But right now, we're in a culture where throw as hard as you can, go as hard as you can for as long as you can, the compensation is for strikeouts, swing and miss. And so if you're a player, you're going, okay, what's my compensation? Where the value is not, you know, going seven innings, giving up four runs, throwing 120 pitches, it's potentially going four or five innings, striking out eight or nine guys, and that's my compensation. And with that, you know, you're throwing as hard as you possibly can every pitch, ripping, breaking balls, you're going to break. And that's unfortunate, what's happening. So I can't argue with the player as far as the competition piece of it, the compensation, and also the organization. You're trying to compete and win. And so to have a guy, you know, temper back and throw 85% of his potential velocity to not get out. That doesn't sound too appealing either. But the industry, the breakdown, the injuries, it is unfortunate because you do want to see the best players out there. So I appreciate you saying it's certainly not a Dodger thing, it's an industry wide thing. And how are we going to combat that? I don't know the answer.

Colin Cowherd (14:53)

Yeah, no, I've been reading about this because I knew you were coming on. And I'm like, it's everywhere. You know, it's. Clayton Kershaw is gonna have a season debut tomorrow. And I mean, there's an argument. I think it's a fair argument. He's our Sandy Koufax. I mean, he is in this era, he's the Sandy Koufax. And he doesn't have to. He's got a pile of money, he's got success, rings and Clayton, he wants to be part of this magic. And what does he add? Give me stuff I don't see in the locker room, on the team plane, in your office, off days. What does he add?

Dave Roberts (15:32)

Man, you and I gotta go have a beer at some point because I just love this conversation, you know, Clayton adds, certainly a track record. He adds, toughness, compete. I was actually telling my wife last night, we were talking about Clayton pitching and I was like, I just can't wait to see him get back out on the mound and watch that compete where every single throw is conviction and he's just not going to be denied. And he puts in the work. And for me, and he is like a different person than when I had him in 16. He's a father now of four or five kids and he's got a different perspective, right? He sees the finish line now he's chasing 3,000. But when he gets out there, he's just an absolute beast. And I do believe that he is the modern day Sandy Koufax where there is no self promotion. He doesn't want any media, but obviously being a great pitcher, first ballot hall of Famer, he's going to get it. But he just wants to be a part of this team, wants to help us win and he just loves competing. So for me, we're going to see him on Saturday and I just can't wait to see that kind of toughness, that fight, that compete, because that resonates with everybody and it raises the bar for all of us.

Colin Cowherd (16:48)

You know, it's funny, final question. If people always complain the NBA is too long and I'm like, try being a baseball manager. It's Double. And you're playing outdoors and it's in the heat and there's pitching injuries. Do you forget the players for a second? How do you stay fresh? This is a lot of games. It's all. You know what I mean? You're in a lot of nice hotels. I get it. But it is. It is Groundhog Day. How do you make sure it's not and that you bring energy every night to this roster that needs. It needs energy. It needs guidance.

Dave Roberts (17:21)

It does. It does. And when you're playing a marathon of 162, I think the thing is to keep guys motivated each day. That's probably the biggest challenge and my thing I love most. I realized probably three years ago that I wanted to do this longer term, and fortunately, I signed an extension. And at that point in time, I realized I got to pour into myself, because us, as coaches and managers, I tell our guys all the time we're not allowed to have bad days. You know, players can do that, but not us. And so I have found a way to pour more into myself. My faith being number one and number two, I like to play golf. And I had the good fortune of playing Augusta national this road trip as far as well as Pine Valley. So it was a pretty good road trip for me. And I think for me is when I get out there and hit the ball around, I come in more energized because I've kind of filled my cup, and the players certainly feel that. And that's kind of how I've done to kind of take care of myself a little bit. But, Colin, honestly, I love players. I love the game of baseball. And so it's fun for me to go to work each day.

Colin Cowherd (18:28)

Can you hit a fairway wood? Because I can't.

Dave Roberts (18:32)

You know what? I can. Not great, but I can. But I'm just saying I can. I didn't say I can hit it well, but, yes, I can.

Colin Cowherd (18:43)

You're the one guy on the planet not on the tour that can. Dave Roberts. It's great. Senior. Thanks, man.

Dave Roberts (18:49)

You're the man, Colin. Take care. Thanks for having me on.

Colin Cowherd (18:52)

Oh, of course. Of course. Dave Roberts, who is, you know, it's. It's, you know, you think, oh, the big payroll. I'm going tell you something, folks. Try coaching the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, they all these good players.

Dave Roberts (19:03)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (19:04)

They run through coaches. Doug Peterson wins the Super bowl, he's gone. Like you. You coach an SEC team, you win a national championship. Gene Chisk, Auburn out two years later, like, there's a lot of pressure to manage the Dodgers. And he's just got such a nice temperament. Reminds me a little bit of Joe Torrey, who for years was managing the a Rod Jeter relationship. Everybody's like, oh, Tori, there's a reason he had Don Zimmer on the bench with him. It was, it was more than just baseball. You were managing a lot in the New York media and the New York talk shows and a Rod and Derek Jeter to, to get a guy a Rod who was arguably the best shortstop. I'm going to go play third. You don't think you have to manage that on a weekly basis? And the tabloids. Absolutely. We got Ian o' Connor, by the way, New York Times best selling author. He writes great books. His Krzyzewski book, his Belichick book. I got some questions on Belichick with Ian o' Connor. 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I'll give Cleveland credit. They take swings. I don't agree with the swings, but they take swings. You know, they're, that's just not what Pittsburgh is. So I think it'll be the ninth season without winning a playoff game. The gold standard is the mold standard. We call them the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's just a, just an outdated offense. It looks very 1990s. They can't figure the old line out. But you know, I've always found it weird. I don't think they would fire Mike Tomlin, but the idea that he couldn't be fired. We're firing Andy Reid and Bill Belichick, so Tom Landry got fired, you know, but Pittsburgh just doesn't do that and you know, and say this for Green Bay. Green Bay is a smaller market by far than Pittsburgh and they've had to run coaches out. So it's, I'm not anti smaller market. And Green Bay, I'll make the argument Green Bay has done a better job in my, in the last 25 years, they have drafted O line and quarterback better than everybody. They never draft O lineman in the first round and they always have elite offensive lines or at least top 10o lines. So they do it right. Pittsburgh is just, they just feel, they just feel really outdated. But for Ryan Clark to come out and say he's grown stale, I, I mean that's this. And there may be some agreement in the building. I would not be surprised if the Rooneys haven't told Omar Khan and Mike Tomlin, listen, if we're bad this year to get a quarterback next year, you're safe. And I don't think that's generally a bad thing. But I, I, I don't know. I look at that schedule once again. It's got a really rough stretch. Aaron Rodgers I think makes them viable, but Aaron at this point is just not, I mean, I'm I think with Aaron, they can win nine games. I think without him, they win six to seven. I think Aaron's worth about a game, maybe two, but I don't think a ton more. I think when you go to Pittsburgh, I think you're fighting a culture and, you know, I don't think one of the things if I was Aaron Rodgers, I would have to think about is you lost your left tackle. You don't do O line, right. I'm like 41. I don't want to get hit. I mean, one of the things. When Brady went to New England, remember Peyton Manning went to Denver, they had the O line, right? Stafford to la, they had the O line, right? When Brady went to New England, what was her first draft or went to Tampa. What was Tampa's first draft pick? Tristan Wurfs. They had to get the right tackle, right? They had left tackle. They were okay, very good interior. And then he wanted Gronk. So older quarterbacks don't want to get hit. And Pittsburgh Steeler quarterbacks get hit. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

Jason McIntyre (27:50)

Colin, one of the reasons I love working with you is you and I both love the wnba. Now that Caitlin Clark is there and the season tips off this weekend. How about this, Colin? The league is so smart. And remember, you blasted them last year for the scheduling. They have lined it up so Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever face Angel Reese's Chicago sky tomorrow. And how lucky are they? Colin, the NBA has no playoff games tomorrow. There's Friday and Sunday. So the WNBA is all alone Saturday. This is great. WNBA commission Kathy Engelbert called Clark the most popular athlete in America. I think there's some dispute on that one. But she did win Rookie of the Year. Wnba. All wnba. She was an All Star, was fourth in MVP voting. Listen, I know the league. We haven't talked about it a lot on the show prior to last year, but as you say, as you like to say, when things change and you get new information, I change, too. And I know you're kind of fired up about this.

Colin Cowherd (28:46)

Yeah, no, I said this is that. I think we had. I counted last year at one point, somewhere between like 8 and 12 times, I either led with the WNBA Caitlin Clark story or it was in my first hour. So. And as you well know, behind the curtain, this is boring to the audience, so I won't spend a lot of time on it. Sean McVay once, he didn't play any starters in the preseason, and everybody followed Him. August is a really dead month for us. I mean, the Shador Sanders could be the story of August. Kenny Pickett was the story once of August. So we're looking for some late July and August. It used to be NFL preseason. Tom, Tom Brady would plan it. Peyton Manning would plan it. Nobody does. And so I think there's an opening in the sports market. I think baseball, we do way more baseball now in August because the NFL really didn't start till Labor Day weekend or the weekend after. And, and I think WNBA fills in nicely. And I think it's interesting the, the league, they just, I don't think the league was intentional enough. I don't think they realized how good she was going to be and how popular. Like, like the Taylor Swift tour, the era, like everybody knew. Oh, oh yeah. Tickets are selling out in eight minutes. I don't think the WNBA quite understood the interest tsunami that was going to happen. So I love the intention here. They're like going, okay, let's not wait. Because last year they butchered it. Remember, they gave her the hardest schedule in the league. The team was, she was getting beat up. The team was overwhelmed. So give the WNBA credit. They were slow, but they figured it out now.

Jason McIntyre (30:19)

So 41 of the fevers, 44 regular season games are going to be on TV. They're starting to get it. They got the memo that, hey, it matters. I had a WNBA writer on my podcast, he said at the Athletic this offseason they were doing WNBA moves. Usually doesn't do any traffic. Indiana Fever moves, coaching hires were doing monster traffic. You know this, you have a podcast, this show. I'm just telling you guys, Caitlin Clark matters. Wnba, it's relevant now and it's, it's going to be a big story this summer. Next up, Colin, let's go to the NBA. Last night, questionable coaching by OKC's Mark Dangnall. He left SGA in late in the first half with three fouls and he picked up his fourth. Denver proceeded to go on a 12 nothing run which was huge. And you know, obviously OKC kind of.

Colin Cowherd (31:09)

That, that cost him season record and OKC was a dominant regular season team. I'm not the best player in the world right now is Yoko. And she has been for four to five years. I didn't, you know, listen, he's not the first coach to do that. Secondly, when you're on, you don't do that at home. But I think when you're on the road and it's a closeout game, we talk about this all the time in baseball, you manage the National League Championship series or the ALCS differently than you do game 80, you know, 84 in July. And so I'm on the road. It's a closeout game. I'm not. I'm not resting my guy and letting him catch up. Now they did, but I think. I just think we have to be reasonable. You don't coach the same way. It's circumstantial. And so we can all beat up this coach. He obviously knows what he's doing. And it happens. Sometimes it happens. You see, college coaches have this all the time. You get. You have like one star player in college is your entire offense. And you know, you can't pull a Zach either. PD out because he is so dominant. So I. I'm not going to crush a coach for that.

Jason McIntyre (32:14)

All right, how about this one? Did you have you had a chance to look at the line for game seven?

Colin Cowherd (32:19)

Let me guess, let me guess, let me guess. OKC minus four and a half.

Jason McIntyre (32:25)

Wow, way off. OKC minus seven and a half is where this game opened. Game seven in okc and they're favored by seven and a half. Now, most of the home games in the series, they've been favored by like 9, 10, 11. Okay, seven and a half feels a little bit high for a game seven featuring the best player on the planet. I'm not endorsing any gambling on this one, but it would have to be OKC or pass. Right? I'm sorry, Denver. Or pass it again.

Colin Cowherd (32:52)

Oh, yeah, I would take. By the way, Gordon's healthy, right? He got dinged up.

Jason McIntyre (32:55)

Hamstring. We got it. We got to see. I mean, he. He pulled up with the hamstring, and we know that could be a significant injury, but he did play.

Colin Cowherd (33:01)

Jamal Murray was a hero last night. This guy was sick. He played great.

Jason McIntyre (33:05)

Final story, Colin, is we got to go to the Patriots. So what the audience needs to know is when you get high on a team, we're going to ride them. So there's going to be a lot of Patriots coverage on the show here. And Drake May is a big reason. Former Patriot Drew Bledsoe knows a little thing about playing quarterback. He said that. Drake May. Wait till you hear this comparison.

Dave Roberts (33:25)

It's such a great weapon and something. Quite honestly, I'm a little bit jealous of it. Can really break the back of a defense because, you know, when you have a, you know, a defensive, you know, play on third down, and we're looking at some third downs right here where you cover Everybody, everybody's covered, you've done your job. And then all of a sudden the quarterback pulls it down, runs and gets a first down. That, that's really disheartening to it to a defense. I mean, you watch Pat Mahomes every, you know, seems like every game, you know, at the end of a game, you know, Pat would, you know, make.

Colin Cowherd (33:57)

One big play running the ball. It just always seemed like in crunch.

Dave Roberts (34:00)

Time he pull it down and run.

Colin Cowherd (34:01)

For that first down. That was just a backbreaker. And I think Drake May has the ability to do that. Yeah, I mean the comp was always Justin Herbert. I think Herbert was more refined. More starts coming out of Oregon. But I think it, the size, the arm, the movement, I think, I think when you, when you watch him play, you see Herbert, he just again, he had to clean some stuff up. That Herbert was. His mechanics were better. But I listen you when you spend 300 million on 11 draft picks, upgrade coach, quarterback, year two, you know, 350 million in free agency or thereabouts, like they're going to be a much better team.

Jason McIntyre (34:38)

So interesting. Our staff was able to dig up some numbers on in rushing last year between Drake Bay and the guy that Bledsoe just mentioned, Patrick Mahomes. Are you ready for this, Colin? This is just rushing. Last year, Drake May was significantly a more effective runner than Mahomes. Now I know May was running for his life often because they had a billion different offensive line combos, but he is kind of. I know people like hate when I say this. Deceptively athletic for his size. You mentioned Herbert. That's a great comp. Listen, I hate the Patriots because I'm a Jets fan. I like Drake May. This is kind of like a Celtics thing with Tatum. I don't like Boston, but I like Tatum. I like this kid Drake May. I think you're onto something with them being a potential wild card team in the AFC next year. Thanks to Drake.

Colin Cowherd (35:23)

Yeah, and I think they are absolutely J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news, Ian o' Connor last hour. Also tomorrow's headlines. Today we are just starting. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis and together we're on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and so still work together, I mean, that says something, right? 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Jason McIntyre (40:38)

Tonight we're under the lights in primetime as the Memphis showboats take on the San Antonio Brahmas. Fox UFL Friday kicks off at 8pm Eastern.

Colin Cowherd (40:51)

You know, we were talking about expectations. I think Bryce Harper has met expectations. I thought he was on the COVID of Sports Illustrated and he's been an unbelievable player. He's got good social media stuff. I think he's met expectations. He is and he is an all time great player. I think Tigers surpassed him. I think LeBron surpassed him and I think Ohtani has surpassed him and it did help him moving from Angels and Dodgers they play this weekend because now he's surrounded by better hitters and he gets, you know, he gets better pitches. But last night's, you know, another great example, it's, it's bobblehead night and he once again delivers on his own bobblehead night with two Jackson Six RBis. And here's the blast and Dave Roberts earlier on him on a 2 0. Ohtani launches the ball the other way headed towards the seats. It is gone. A three run home run from Shohei Ohtani. Ten runs for the Dodgers in three innings.

Dave Roberts (41:55)

It's laughable. It really is. I think that you know his bobblehead night homers and I, I would say his on base plus slug as OPS with the bobblehead is probably 2000. It seems like he homers every time. Any big moment, there's just, you know, it's like Michael taking the last shot. Tiger, he's going to make this putt that doesn't always happen but this guy is like every single time there's a big moment, a big spot anticipation, he delivers and it's just with baseball where you just can't dictate all the time, it's just, it's really uncanny and like I said, laughable I guess is my answer.

Colin Cowherd (42:37)

You know, it's, I think the media, I think it's a fair criticism of the media that they overhype things. You know, it's, it's, I don't know how the tariffs are going to play out, but from what I'm reading, it will end the American economy. But I don't think, I don't think the sports media generally puts Ohtani, Tiger, LeBron labels on players incorrectly. Again. Bryce Harper has lived up to expectations. I think Ohtani's greater than we thought. LeBron surpassing Magic and assists and Kareem and points is greater than we thought. But generally, and it doesn't happen very often, I can remember a soccer player, Freddie Adu, that that was where the media just missed. But I think a lot of that is the American sports media so desperately wanted to have a soccer star and we hadn't had A soccer star. I think Christian Pulisic has met, maybe not surpassed, but he's certainly met the hype. I think. I think he's our great offensive either goal scorer or setup man. And I think in big matches, overseas World Cups, I think when he's not on the pitch, we're not the same. We're not the same United States national team. So. But. But I mean, I think Eric Lindross, Sidney Crosby, Ovechkin was one of the hockeys had about every four or five years you'll get an international hockey guy or a Canadian hockey guy. And I think they've overwhelmingly lived up to the hype. But, you know, in a strange way, does it help Ohtani that he comes from another country and, you know, isn't speaking our language? It's. And let's be honest, there are limit. He has to have, you know, the interpreter around him probably helps him a little bit from the day to day. Sit around the batting cage and be engulfed in American media. That may help him a little bit, but it's just. He's just remarkable. He is. And what he does. A rod did this when he went to the Yankees. Yankees were already drawing well, but he made like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday games at Yankee Stadium feel like events. We live in an event culture now. That's why the NBA playoffs will get a number and the regular season won't. The regular season doesn't feel special. Adam Silver has made a real effort to do that in season tournament. They change the color of the courts and it's got a lot of critics. And my thing is, it does feel different. It does. The players take it seriously. When I'm watching and see a purple court, I'm like, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of the. It's one of those in season tournament games give Adam. So I just appreciate the effort. Like, I think we've seen something with baseball. I gotta give Rob Manfred credit. Baseball's made two or three moves. They've gotten pushback on all of them, and they've all worked. The pitch clock, the bigger bases, the defensive shift. They're going to go to robots potentially behind the plate. I'm fine with it. They've all worked. Adam Silver deserves a lot of Credit. He got $76 billion. $76 billion and the ratings were not up. And he got another. He got a streaming giant, Amazon. He got NBC, which really, I'm not sure how NBC is going to make a profit that. And NBC's promos have been great. Round ball Rock, John Touch, They've been great, but that's not his responsibility. Adam's job is to get 76 billion, not to make it work fiscally for the networks. And I think, I actually think our commissioners right now are really good. I think Goodell, Rob Manfred has been right on so much. But we don't like authoritative figures, we don't like leaders. Canada didn't like Trudeau. Our presidents aren't popular, our commissioners aren't, our CEOs aren't. We just don't. We're just. In a time, nobody's popular, but I think by and large they listen. I'm looking at this Shohei Ohtani. Four games in which it's been Ohtani bobblehead night. He's batting.440 with four home runs, eight RBIs and three stolen bases. The guy's just, he's an all time talent. The other story that we have is, I was talking earlier about when you talk Lakers, you think warriors, you know, huge brand, west coach, LeBron and Steph. The league puts them on in Christmas. And I think, I think the warriors are actually in a much better spot. First of all, they have Steve Kerr. And the Lakers have a very, very young, aspirational, driven coach, but he's not Steve Kerr. Secondly, Jimmy Butler and staff as your two stars are both workaholics and grinders. LeBron's in his 40s, he has taken nights off. And Luca doesn't really play defense and is not in the greatest shape. The other thing is the last two draft picks by the Warriors, Pods and Post Quinton Post are good players. One starts, one's rotational. They don't feel overwhelmed. They also have a trade piece. They'll sign and trade Jonathan Kaminga and they'll get something for him, hopefully size and hopefully another wing athlete. I do feel like the warriors are a playoff team next year. I saw this morning a Brook Lopez suggestion. Dude, he's 37. We can't, we can't do that. Whereas I said this, I think the Lakers are in a little bit of trouble because they really don't want to part with Austin Reaves. And I agree with Bill Plaschke, who's a very popular writer for the LA Times. I don't know how you get better without it. I just don't know how you do it. So you have to move off players. The warriors are moving off Kaminga. Everybody in the building agrees. Half the people in the Laker building don't think they should move off Austin Reeves. At least that's their positioning. So here. Let's start with Steph Curry on the future of the Warriors.

Dave Roberts (48:18)

Our contracts are all me, Draymond, Steve, Jimmy, all two years. And we want this ride to last.

Colin Cowherd (48:26)

As long as possible.

Dave Roberts (48:27)

But it's just about what does this team need for next year?

Colin Cowherd (48:31)

That's all we're really focused on right now.

Dave Roberts (48:33)

And I'm excited about it because there's clarity. Although there are a lot of decisions that need to be made over the.

Colin Cowherd (48:40)

Summer, I still think that we have a lot of great basketball left ahead of us. I don't think this age thing is anything the way that everybody's taking care of their bodies doing right. I think the potential is there. So with this full season we got coming up ahead, I think we'll be able to find out now the NBA Adam Silver doesn't want dynasties. He went, he wants to make it harder to trade again. Silver's made some good moves, NBA playoffs, more physical. It takes away some of the three point parade importance. The other thing is we got different champions every year. Adam Silver wants that. He wants more inclusion. The other thing, it's harder to make trades, but we're going to have a Giannis deal, potentially a KD deal, potentially. Kamingo will get a better player to a big market and there's rumors the Lakers are going to be hyper aggressive. So I don't know. My takeaway is I think the warriors are in a better spot. Listen, if I have Steve Kerr and you have J.J. redick, I'm in a better, I'm in a better spot than you. There's no question about that.

Jason McIntyre (49:51)

Let's settle down with this. Blow up the Lakers. We need to make all these moves. Let me just remind folks they were a top four team in the west, okay? Could almost finish second in the west with only having Luca for half a season call. I think the Lakers troubles are overblown. As for the Warriors, I would agree with you. They're in a great spot. Listen, you say, hey, who could get Giannis, the Lakers or the Warriors? Well, the Lakers don't really have the ammo. The warriors could package young players and draft picks and make a run at Giannis. I personally don't think it'll happen, but they're not far off either. The problem as you alluded to is the west is so young everywhere. The Rockets are young and on the come up the spurs, they're coming next year, okay? The Mavericks with Cooper flag, they're going to be back. I mean like Minnesota ain't going nowhere. The Thunder are loaded. It's just the Western Conference right now. The imbalance is crazy. Now Colin, Adam Silver, I think he came on here and talked about expansion. Well those are two teams of right that are coming to the West. Vegas and Seattle.

Colin Cowherd (50:52)

I mean we'll see.

Jason McIntyre (50:54)

So that's two more teams to the West.

Colin Cowherd (50:56)

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Dave Roberts (52:09)

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Colin Cowherd (52:14)

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Dave Roberts (52:31)

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