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Jason McIntyre
Here we go, Hour two. Nick Wright's around the corner. We're live. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be watching or listening, appreciate it. So men in Blazers is a very popular sports podcast. Had Tom Brady talking about soccer. And it's interesting. I always feel like I'm defending soccer and there's just a percentage of guys that are never going to buy into it. But I always feel soccer in America is appropriately popular. It happens every fourth year, the World Cup, Right. And so it's like those relatives you see every four years, they're not real family. Even though you're related, it's not like your own kids that you hold much more responsible. You get the highs and lows of, you know, the daily rituals and routines and that. The truth is, when the World cup was here in 1994, it broke records that stand today in attendance. And the World cup, the next one in the United States will shatter those records. And Tom Brady was talking about, I don't think soccer needs anything in America. I think it's as popular as it's ever going to be. And I think it's really popular when you consider that we have massive infrastructure of college football and college basketball. We are an overstimulated, distracted country. It's bigger in Europe. Europe doesn't have our college football or basketball. They don't have the NHL like we do. I mean, we've got mls, NHL, nascar, NFL, NBA, Canada. By the way, Canada's got NHL, NBA, cfl. They don't even have our college system, this labyrinth of, you know, 350 Division 1 basketball programs like we have here. And so here's Tom Brady talking about a little bit what soccer needs.
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Nick Wright
We need the youth in America. In soccer, we need a young phenom like a Yamin Lamal, a young Lionel Messi to take over. And I believe that there will be the most amazing kind of cultural revolution for soccer here in America. We love rooting for winners. We love rooting for the best of the best. The World cup is coming to America in 2026. You can't imagine the fanfare when that happens. Every stadium will be sold out. The American audience loves it.
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Jason McIntyre
I always feel like hockey feels like Canada, the NFL and college football feel like us. But soccer, you know, 1700s, 1800s, there's 400 year old pubs in, in, in Europe, they're older than us. Soccer's old. There are 400 year old. You know, if you walk around Europe, it's like you're walking in an outdoor museum. I mean, just go to Vienna, go to these European cities. I was in Florence a couple years ago. I felt like the whole trip was I was walking in a museum. I love Seattle. It doesn't feel that way. Right. I like Denver. It doesn't feel like a museum. So I always feel like soccer is appropriately popular. It's the relatives you see every three years and you love them, but they don't feel like your kids. And that's not a knock on soccer. I think Fox is going to break records. I think we still hold the 1994 World cup, still holds the attendance records. And I do think we have, I think Pulisic, I don't know where he ranks globally, but he's our best player ever. I think we have more skill than ever. I always feel like I am defending soccer and I don't think it needs defending. I think it's really popular here. But if you show up every four years, you're not going to be football or the NBA or college football. You're not going to be Ohio State, Michigan. That's the reality of it. And I love it. My friends, outside of the NFL, the guys I hang out with, soccer is their number two. They'll watch the English Premier League over everything but the NFL. Seriously. So I, and I remember when I recently, 17, 18, 19 years ago, not recently, got married and young boys in New England, Josh and Riley, did not watch baseball. They watched the English Premier League. Downstairs in the house, I was like, I remember watching that and thinking, wow, I'm in New England and they're not watching the Red Sox, they're watching soccer. So I never think soccer needs defending. Now sometimes Nick Wright does and he now joins us live. Nick Wright, first things first is joining us.
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Unknown Guest
So what's up, buddy?
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Jason McIntyre
Good to see you. You know, you don't want to make too much of little stuff, but I do think little stuff, I always call it the drip, drip, drip, becomes a faucet that's leaking. And I've got last year and I've got minicamp and OTAs. Now I've got the net video with Caleb Williams. And I'm like, shouldn't I be a little uneasy with the moodiness, the accuracy? It's a, I mean, I watched Jaden Daniels and Bo Nicks. They were good. Immediately.
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Unknown Guest
Can I, can I have questions.
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Jason McIntyre
About what I see with Jones, Williams.
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Unknown Guest
Mac, Jones, good immediately too. I mean, the good immediately is not always the right answer. Here's the thing. I this, I do not care about him missing these passes, especially because either the day before or the day after this video, I'm not sure the sequence of it in this exact drill, he went 5 for 5 right into the bucket. So it's not. We know he can make that pass. The only part of this video that I is bothersome to me is that part the reaction. I do think that Caleb as an emotional guy needs to recognize his responsibility as the leader of the team and the quarterback and needs to do a better job of keeping his cool. So when he was in college, people made a big deal of the after the loss, I forget to whom, when he was with his mother and appeared to be crying, I kind of stayed out of that because it felt like a lot of the criticism, there was a wink and a nod criticism of he paints his nails, he carries a purse, now he's crying. And I felt it was untoward. What I do think would have been fair criticism and is fair criticism is whether it would have been him crying or if he had flipped over the Gatorade table and broken a cooler. We want our quarterback to be level headed, to be, you know, calm in the storm. And I think that, I do think that is an area he needs to improve. But I saw you yesterday, Colin, you, you know, you sold just a few of your Caleb shares. And let me tell you, I had my brokers scoop them up. I was like, you know what? He's got it. He's going to sell the dip, I'm going to buy it. I'll take more of the Caleb stock and so. And we'll see. I think he's going, I think Ben Johnson is trying, not in that drill, but trying to throw a lot at him is fine with him struggling, is fine with him being frustrated so we can build him back up. I still believe in the transcendent talent and I think Ben Johnson's a sharp coach, so I think it will work. But I just need him to be a little more even keeled.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so I'm going to bounce around here and I want to get to this topic. I said it's a basketball topic. I didn't have a problem with LeBron James or Bronny because we all know the deal here. If they're on a yacht in San Tropez with Savannah and they don't make a press conference and they do a video call, I'm okay with it. LeBron is messy. He's Ronaldo. We're talking different ballgame here. It's Brad Pitt. He can't make every, you know, carpet. I get it. But I said Luca being in the kind of shape he's in. It's year two and three Luca. And last year I got lumpy Luca. This year I get lean Luca. And I think LeBron and maybe he can handle it or maybe he can't. I don't want Austin Reaves to have the ball. I don't want. I think old kd, you could argue, will play better with lean Luka than lumpy Luka. Last year he couldn't beat people off the dribble. He needed LeBron, who still can that. I think the struggle isn't whether he's at a press conference, is that you're going to get now year two and three Luca, where he not only beat people off the dribble, he finished dunking at the rim. That guy is back. And I in his usage rate in those years was the highest ever. Is that I think LeBron's numbers for the first time in his career, you will watch Luke and LeBron and there will be a noticeable gap in performance. And we've never seen that with LeBron.
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Unknown Guest
We've never seen it. But like there's. Listen, LeBron last year got the sixth most MVP votes and the sixth most all NBA first team votes. He finished sixth in both of those categories. He was, according to the voters, the sixth best player in basketball last year. Let's assume there's a little atrophy from there going now into year 23 of his career and where he's going to be turning 41, and let's say he goes from that to 9th or 10th best in the league. Luka is one of unequivocally the four best players in the league. I think he's one of the three best players in the league. I understand that it's a harder argument to make now because of what Shai accomplished, but I think Luka is better than Shay. Everyone thought that nine months ago. Now, seemingly only I and maybe Zach Lowe think it, but I think Luke is a top three player in the league. He's supposed to be much better than whomever his next best teammate is. Where I disagree with people about how LeBron will take that. I think LeBron for the better part of the last five years had been hoping that he would be able to make this transition because of Anthony Davis. I think LeBron, as we saw in in the Olympics. And once they got Luka last year, relishes the opportunity to be able to give more of his energy on the defensive end because he doesn't have to carry all of the load on the offensive end. LeBron's issue has, and I know this has nothing to do with Luka or whether or not Luka has superseded him in the NBA player hierarchy at this point in his career. LeBron's singular issue is, are. Is my timeline and the Lakers timeline now totally misaligned or are they still at least kind of together? Where the Lakers, yes, obviously they need to have a long term vision, but do they also think we can win a championship right now? And we are going to go for that? Because this might be my last year. And here is why I would argue for the Lakers, they should, unless they have a secret handshake agreement that Giannis is signing there in two years. The overwhelming odds that if we were to in three years when this extension for Luka is over, say, hey, who's the single best player Luka ever played with with the Lakers in his four years with the team? The answer is likely going to be LeBron. When LeBron leaves, the idea that they're going to get one of the six players in the league or seven players in the league better than LeBron as a running mate is unlikely. So if I were the Lakers, I would treat this season as we have. Luka can win MVP. LeBron's coming off a great year. We filled out the roster a bit. Maybe add one more wing or maybe a backup center. And why can't we go win four rounds? That's what LeBron wants them to do. I don't blame him for that.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, this, this may be below your standards of a topic choice, but. No, no, I have had kind of a thing and there's a lot of truth in it. Although sometimes just to be obnoxious, I go a little over the top and a little theatrical.
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Unknown Guest
Tell me we're doing the visor. Tell me we're doing the visor. Right. So I'm. Yeah, go ahead.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. So my thing is there are dress codes in life. There are members clubs, there's golf courses, there's events where you have to wear a collared shirt. It's one thing to have a hat on backwards for a wide receiver in an interview on the field, to be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys, a backwards visor. I had a general manager text me this morning. He goes, you're going to get nothing but crap. And you are on Target. A general manager in the league said, don't stop on this. Here's a guy that nobody believes can coach and he looks like the guy that when you call 1-800-JUNK picks up the boxes and the stuff from your garage. It's the Cowboys. It's bank of America. It's the biggest brand in the National Football League. That look bothers me.
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Unknown Guest
It does. I know it does. I know it does. So a couple things, just one clarification for the audience. I don't know who you get on the other end of the line if you call 1-800-JUNK but I wouldn't call it. And that's not the number Colin meant, but the point is taken. So here's the thing, Colin. You have always been right about this and deep down everyone knows it. But because you are maybe a touch hyperbolic or theatrical, people attack you. But we all like, we all agree that every single day we are all making choices with how we present ourselves to the world. We all agree that Bill Belichick was the reason that his gruff, cut up dirty hoodie was considered cool was purely because A, he was an all time winner and B, it fit the theme that he was trying to present. Everyone knows that. Now does. Is a backwards hat across the board necessarily as much of a faux pas as you seem to think it is? Probably not. But is a backwards visor a good look on anyone? I'm yet to see it. And do. Does everyone, even the biggest critics of you on this, does everyone agree it's a matter of degree that we are arguing about because everyone agrees that, that if he came to the press conference with mustard stained all over his face and shirtless but said the exact same stuff, we'd be like, yeah, the presentation's wrong. We all agree that there is a level. Your level just happens to be at orientation of the cap or visor in this case, which again, I've never cared about quite as much as you. But I also think if there were a hall of fame on 20 year sports topics, this is a first ballot entry. People now see people wearing backwards caps and they're like, boy, we're going to get four minute masterclass from Cowherd today. I mean, it's kind of your legacy. It might be a little sad thing, but it's in the first page of the obituary, tell you that much.
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Jason McIntyre
It probably is. Yeah. I probably need a second good take after 30 years of doing it. Okay, final, final thing on this is that the media does this with politics and they do it with personalities. Is that they pick people they like and they just decide, we like this guy. There was a Stephen Colbert. The media is like, he's a good guy. And my take is the show is losing 40 million. It went heavy political. The demographics got 69 years old as the average age. Nobody's going to do a $40 million losing show on network TV in 20, 25, maybe 30 years ago. They're not. But the media decided they liked him, and that's fine. But the media has decided they like Mike McDaniels. We're three years in Brian Flores. The two years before Mike McDaniels got there, they had a better winning percentage than the last three years with him. And that's with the Patriots being a disaster and the jets being a disaster that the media has decided they didn't like Brian Flores. They didn't like him. They like Mike McDaniel. If I had an opening today, what are the Dolphins?
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Unknown Guest
What are.
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Jason McIntyre
I knew what Flores after about eight weeks, about week nine on those Flores teams were nasty. It took him a while to develop it. I'm three years in with Mike McDaniel. Is this a case of the media deciding he's smart, we like him. Where's the There there with the Dolphins?
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Unknown Guest
Okay, so a couple things. First is I think this is a take I agree with you on, unlike the Colbert take, which I vehemently disagree with you on. And we can save that for the next time I'm on the podcast. Probably not the time and place for it right now, but let's put a pin in that. We'll talk about it on the volume at some point. On Mike McDaniel, you are correct in that he reminds a lot of sports media of themselves.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Unknown Guest
Like that's just flatly true. Like the smaller Rye humor, you know, it's. I'm kind of very almost dark humor yesterday. Analytical guy. I think there are a lot of people covering football that see themselves in him, which then makes you want to root for the guy to succeed you. Then also, I do think objectively he is a very smart and inventive offensive play designer. And I also think he got the absolute most out of tua. I think there are some things to like, but where I think there is and whether this is not just about Mike McDaniel. This is about how football is covered today as analytics and as smarter people start having larger voices in the COVID In covering a football, I think there is a experience gap in how physically brutal the game is and the type of people that actually play it at the highest level and therefore how hard it can be to actually lead that group of men.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Unknown Guest
And so it. To me, this is a cousin of. Sometimes I see some of the smartest people, supposedly smartest people covering football, who I think truly believe the way they present it every time you run the ball is stupid because the EPA per play on a bad pass is higher than on a good run. And this, that and all of it makes sense except for the fact that there is when for 80 years every person that's ever played the game has one of the first things they have talked about is the importance of being able to run. And like the way it can. You can kind of SAP the will of your opponent.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Unknown Guest
And some way you just got to be like, they probably know what they're talking about. Like, I haven't been out there. But like, I don't know. It seems like if like you can make the D tackle frustrated, there might be a value that doesn't show up in the numbers. So that's a long explanation to get to McDaniel, which is I think there is some of the reason that the media loves him might also be related to why his team pretty clearly does not fear him the way they seem to some of the more effective coaches. And I like McDaniel, but it seems like it's gotten away from him a bit with the Dolphins. And I want to make this clear. I'm not an anti analytics guy. I'm not an anti kind of, you know, smart learning the game thing. But I think that there is an arrogance to the idea that, that in some ways that football is talked about when it comes to the actual physicality and toughness of the game that gets lost in some of the math.
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Jason McIntyre
No, this is something I had a, I had an executive tell me years ago, he said, and this was years and I was at the other place and he said the hardest part about the draft is you just don't necessarily know on tape am I drafting somebody who is willing to impose his will and soul on another equally big strong man? And Ray Lewis could be smaller and slower. He you turn the lights off, put Ray Lewis in a room with any other player, Rays coming out of the room. And there is some. There is value in the NFL in just toughness.
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Unknown Guest
Well, there's. Can I add to that real quick? I know we have to go, but I, I have said, and again, I'm not an anti McDaniel guy, but I think people should go back and watch the Chiefs Dolphins playoff game two years ago when The Chiefs were. Came limping into the playoffs. They, you know, I think I'm, you know, they were. It was when they had the first road games. Now they, of course, ended up going to and winning the super bowl because they're the Chiefs, but they seem to be a vulnerable team. And that was the third coldest game in NFL history. And Andy Reid came out and he looked like Andy Reid. He was dressed like Andy Reid is dressed, even though by halftime he literally had icicles on his mustache. And Mike McDaniel came out as bundled up as you've ever seen a human being. And I said, I said on the air that week, I was like. Because the Dolphins had no interest in being there. They, you know, they got annihilated from the very beginning. And I said, I can't prove it, but I feel like the Chiefs saw their coach acting like, this is a normal game, normal business. And they were. And they internalized it. And the Dolphins saw their coach acting like, this is the coldest I've ever been in my entire life. And they internalized that. And I just think there are little. I think football's so different because it's so physically painful, it's so dangerous, it's so brutal that there is just a lot of magic in the indefinable toughness stuff. And I think that's kind of what I'm getting at here.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, I'll close it on this. Years ago, I was sitting watching, it was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in a playoff game in Foxborough and Jim Nance is doing it and he's going to a commercial. And they, they show a pre game shot. We're coming back with a kickoff next. And they show Peyton Manning and he looks like he is. He's with the, I think the Colts at this point. He looks like he's freezing. And I'm like, it's over. Brady's out there. High five. And Peyton Manning, who plays in a dome in Indy. And I thought, oh, that's just terrible body language. And I think we agree on that. All right, buddy.
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Unknown Guest
Absolutely. Great to see you. See you, Colin.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, we'll get to that Stephen Colbert thing on a podcast near you.
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Unknown Host
I swear we will.
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Jason McIntyre
No, I think there, there is something to be said is that I'm not anti analytics ever. But I, I've said this before about the NBA. Those analytics go out the window in the playoffs because you just coach differently. And the NBA efficiency officiates differently. Analytics in baseball, it's built for the volume of 162 games you go into the playoffs. Dave Roberts is going to use his bullpen differently in the playoffs than he does any other time of the year. So all the analytics are built for volume of games. But what happens when you get down to a five game, seven game series? Well, in the NBA the games are officiated differently. You don't get the whistle, you don't get the regular season whistle. So I like analytics in football, but a lot of it comes down to to mental and physical toughness. And I mean Philadelphia's best play is gaining half a yard. All the analytics of football. Tom Brady was unstoppable on quarterback sneaks. If it was fourth and one. Brady got the first down. He mastered it. So with all the analytics with football, sometimes it's like Philly and Tom Brady have mastered getting a yard in January. And Buffalo, by the way, with Josh Allen was a circus trying to get a yard. Sometimes the game is just that, the will and the toughness to get a yard in lousy weather.
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Jason McIntyre
Joel Clatt, Texas, Ohio State. I still think I take the points with Texas. Ohio State has the two best players. They're at home. I think I would take the points with Sark and Arch Manning. I just don't know what I get with Ohio State at quarterback. I have no idea. He's a really talented five star kid. That's a, that's a tough opener. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news.
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Unknown Contributor
Let's bust right into it. A team I believe you're sleeping on, the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think this offense is going to go to the moon. They just announced that Travis Hunter in the intent is he's going to play both ways. On the first depth chart Jacksonville released Hunter was listed as a starting wide receiver and a backup cornerback, which is pretty much what we expected, right? Situationally he would probably appear in some dime packages.
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Jason McIntyre
He's just too athletic to not get the ball to 12 times again. I want the ball in his hands. I don't want him on an island. And the team decides not to throw to his side of the ball. And he's baking in the Jacksonville sun and never touching the football. I want him to touch the ball.
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Unknown Contributor
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Jason McIntyre
And by the way, you know what I like about Travis Hunter? From what you can tell, just a nice kid. He's a football kid. He's into it. Like considering how gifted he is, is he going to be the Otani of football? I'm, I mean say what you want. You don't get a lot of guys that are like elite receivers and elite corners. Like we went, we freaked out with Bo Jackson. You, Bo Jackson wasn't playing linebacker. Like, like this kid has a chance to be all time stuff here. Like, like not just receiver, punt returner, elite corner, troll, bowl receiver. Like I, I don't think that, I mean it's, it's usually you, the People I trust that I've talked to about him, they're like listen, this is just different. He's going to be the best athlete in the NFL very quickly. Think about that.
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Unknown Guest
That's bold.
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Unknown Contributor
I just want to reinforce. So Liam Cohen, very sharp offensive mind in Tampa that offense was awesome. They had Evans and Godwin. They've essentially recreated that with the young kid Brian Thomas who was awesome last year.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Unknown Contributor
And now Travis Hunter. And remember in Tampa he had a flotilla of backs. He's got ETN and Bigsby. They were a good combo last year. I'm just telling you, if Lawrence can stay healthy, this is an offense that should be a top 10 unit in the league. I don't know about the defense holding off people but I think they will challenge Houston for second in the division.
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Jason McIntyre
I can't wait to watch him. It's very rare usually. I really, I really want to watch rookie quarterbacks. I can't remember the last time there was a non quarterback that I really want to see play. I, I, I think he has a chance to be an all time special kid.
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Unknown Contributor
I know we don't want to relitigate Trevor Lawrence every single year but he came in as the, the next Andrew Luck caliber quarterback. Hasn't totally lived up to it, has had a couple injuries, he's had like a half a dozen coaches. Colin, he's still a young quarterback with major upside. I'm buying, I'm gobbling up all the Trevor Lawrence stock I can find. Are you interested in that at all or not really?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, he, I will say this. If you look at Indy and, and if you look at Indy, let's see, the Texans have an established quarterback, Jacksonville, two seasons. I think if you look at Tennessee and Indy, I don't know if they have the offensive firepower to just keep up with Jacksonville and Houston. If Houston's healthy, if, if Jacksonville's healthy, it's an offensive league and I, I mean it's probably the smart play to go. Jacksonville Texans, top two in that division either order. They just, they have more established quarterbacks and more dynamic players around the quarterback.
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Unknown Contributor
Yeah, too many questions for the Colts. Let's move to another team in the afc. Hey man, nobody loves the Patriots like you. There's, this is your team that you've stuck. You know, you've planted a flag in the New England Patriots. You love them. Well, new head coach Mike Vrabel has been putting a lot of stuff on Drake Mays plate and May's been delivering. Here's Vrabel just So geeked about his quarterback.
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Mike Vrabel
There's protections. I mean, there's. When he sees something that he can help, he sees it a lot better than I think than some other players or alignment or, you know, if you see something, say something and don't assume that everybody's seen it the way that you're seeing it. I see him get guys in the right formations or tell guys, hey, you're off the ball, you're on the ball or hey, you're over here doing that quickly as before. Sometimes young quarterbacks, they're just focused on the play. They're focused on the cadence and not focused on, on sideline to sideline. And I think that that's starting to improve.
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Jason McIntyre
Mark it down. 10 wins, buddy. Oh, that's that easy one. So that's an easy one.
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Unknown Contributor
Let me, let me challenge you on this Drake May stuff. So I loved him coming out. I thought he'd be better than Jaden Daniels. We call that a bit of a whiff. I am curious who will have a better season, Drake May or Caleb Williams in year two?
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Jason McIntyre
I think Caleb faces a tougher schedule. I think, I think Drake May as a proven coach. I think it's an easier schedule and I think, I'll be honest with you, it's. It's tough. I like Drake May. I thought, I thought he was kind of Justin Herbert, just not as polished coming out of college. If I had to bet my 401k, I would say that Drake May will be more consistently good than Caleb. Caleb will have more flash plays and will be more spectacular. But if you're just talking 17 starts, who's more consistently B plus? I would say Drake May.
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Unknown Contributor
So I am going to read off the wide receiver depth chart for the patriots. You're talking 10 wins. Okay. Number one is Stefon Diggs who's coming off a major injury getting up there in age.
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Jason McIntyre
And we know he's more of a two now.
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Unknown Contributor
We know his off field habits are questionable, to say the least. Number two, Demario Douglas. Okay. Number three on the depth chart, Mack Hollins. That's the guy that Buffalo was like, hey, man, you, you occasionally showed up. Thank you for your service. You're out. Number four, Kyle Williams. K, Sean Booty. Kendrick Bourne, Colin. That is a weak wide receiver group.
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Jason McIntyre
Probably the weakest in the division. I will say Kyle Williams is, has a potential to be very good. Kyle Williams could be one of those guys that you look at and go, who's Kyle Williams?
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Unknown Contributor
Rookie out of Washington State.
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Jason McIntyre
Right now he's, he's really good player. Um, I don't think they have a great receiving core and I don't think they're a dominant team. What I do think they are is 10 and 7 and they make it in as the Dolphins don't really have an identity and the jets are once again in a rebuild. I'm not saying they're a 12 win team. I don't think they're going to be a team that wins playoff games, but I think they're going to get in as a wild card team.
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Unknown Contributor
Listen, if Drake may takes that poo poo plotter of receivers to the playoffs, he, I mean, you might as well just say he's the seventh best quarterback in the league. Final story. Colin College football. Your boy Dabo Sweeney, I feel like he has been irrelevant since you guys went toe to toe a few years ago. He's talking tough right now. Okay. He finally hits a transfer portal and now all of a sudden he told a reporter, I've had one undefeated team in 2018. We were the first 150 team in the history of major college football. And I think we're going to be the first 160 team this year. It's a race to do that Now. Clemson is the class of the acc, no doubt about it. They do have an early landmine against LSU and what should be a very good game on on August 30th. But after that, I mean, the ACC's literally largely a joke. FSU is not very good this year.
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Jason McIntyre
They're going to run through this schedule. Yeah, they're, they're going to run through. He's got a great quarterback. I think they return like 15 starters. They went to the portal a little. I think they went and got like three guys. They, they didn't really use the portal. He's a believer in build it with high school football recruiting. They have great connections in that region for high school football. They are going to fly through this schedule. Yeah, this is going to be a, this is going to be a top three or four team. Like I like Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, they have Penn State. They have much tougher schedules than Clemson.
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Unknown Contributor
Yeah, I'll just say I do like Dabo, Dabo, Dabo, whatever you guys want to call him. I, I just. What he, in recent years he's been so standoffish. I've kind of been off him. But now he's talking tough again because he's got a great hand. Like, I mean Felton, Bruce Feldman was telling me this defensive line is the best in the country. Well, and they're, they're stacked.
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Jason McIntyre
He, he, I think he needed to use the portal more than he did.
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Unknown Contributor
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
But in fairness, here's teams that really use the portal a lot. Usc, lsu. How did it work?
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Unknown Contributor
Well, don't forget Indiana and smu.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, but Indiana, Indiana, it doesn't matter. In college football they made the playoff.
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Unknown Guest
Who cares?
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Jason McIntyre
Awful. Like Clemson recruits at a very high level. High school football, they get a lot of four star guys and his take is I'm not going to use it now. He's using it a little and I don't think he used it enough. But it's okay if one program that's good says we're not going to, you know, like for years, I mean Kentucky led the world in one and done. Oh right. They got one title.
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Unknown Contributor
So what?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, how is it? Well, no, it's not bad. But everybody knows Calipari was pushed out of Kentucky. He was, he was viewed as underachieving. So this idea that the portal is this magic elixir for success. No, it's not. Colorado, LSU and the USC have lived on it. It's not. I think Dabo should have used it more. But, but when you, when you're Clemson. If Ohio State used a portal for three players a year, they would still be winning 11 games as long as the guys they got were Caleb Downs level. But I think the portal to me is a little overvalued at this point. It's a little overvalued.
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Unknown Contributor
The analogy I like is the portal is like Major League Baseball salary cap.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Unknown Contributor
You can spend all you want. It's not going to guarantee success, but it is certainly going to help your chances at getting to the postseason if you spend more money in Major League Baseball as opposed to the bottom feeders who don't spend money and have no chance. If you hit the portal hard, keep an eye on my Texas Tech Red Raiders. I needed them to send me some swag because I'm all in on them making the playoff this year.
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Jason McIntyre
J Mac with the news.
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Unknown Contributor
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
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Jason McIntyre
The Herd lie news is Jerry Jones negotiating with players directly. Just really the smart way to do it. Next, the Herd.
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You know, it's interesting just to show you that the NFLPA has never been terribly strong. Jerry Jones, basically, and he's done this before, he's trying to negotiate with Micah Parsons directly. The NBA would never allow that. Like baseball wouldn't allow that. The players unions too strong. NBA wouldn't allowed it. But that, you know, Jerry's done it before, he's doing it again with Micah. I think the whole thing's a bit of a mess. I've said this. I think the Cowboys have just gotten very insular. The, the schedule is interesting for Dallas because there are a couple of teams in this league that I think are in big trouble. But they get soft landings early. Like, you know, I mean, the Cowboys get the Giants at home early. They get, you know, the Jets, Carolina and the Bears early, though those are all winnable games. I think by week seven, here comes Washington, Denver, Philly, Kansas City, Detroit. I think it's going to get really ugly. I think, I think up to the buy, it'll, it'll feel okay. Then I think you're going to start getting into week 11 and on and the, I think they're going to be in big trouble. But the whole, the whole Micah Parsons thing, again, like as the league has gotten smarter and modernized, the really good teams just get ahead of this stuff. They don't get trapped. The Rams and I and I don't say this just because I spent nine years in la. The Rams are, they don't get into these weird situations. They keep their players. You know, Matt Stafford, we're going to keep matte camp. He's getting bruised and they just, they, they know how to work all these situations where Dallas feels like they inflame all of them. This Mica thing should not. He's been fairly compensated. He's a great player, but he's one of the highest cap hits even this year. He's going to be one of the highest cap hits for his position in the league without getting the big contract yet. So he's been fairly compensated. Matt Hasselbeck yesterday. On the whole Micah, Jerry contract on and off.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Jerry Jones seems to, like, be fine with this kind of conflict, fine with this kind of drama. But he also doesn't seem like the kind of owner that wants to get, like, pushed around publicly. So, you know, there's a part of me that says, hey, this is Micah Parsons. Figure it out. Close the door. Include the. Include the agent. Then there's another part of me that says, hey, why don't you just punt on this year anyway? Go out and get, like, the most amazing draft package for next year and really start focusing this team on next year, because I really don't know that you can compete with Philly and that you can compete really with Washington and then the rest of the NFC.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I mean, the Cowboys have the longest NFC championship game drought. It's going to turn 30 years this year, and they're not going to make the NFC Championship this year. But you can blame a lot of factors, and, you know, I can just blame Jerry Jones. You, we can all blame Dak. But it really comes down to this. How do you draft? I mean, the reason the Rams in Philadelphia, the Lions, and the Ravens, you know, are consistently good in Buffalo is they mostly draft well. And Belichick at the end of New England last seven years, they drafted poorly. Brady saw it and left. I just don't think Dallas drafts consistently at a high level. And a lot of that is Jerry views himself as a GM and he's an owner. Okay. Have you heard about this?
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