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Doug Gottlieb
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Jason Stewart
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Mark Dominick
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Profet
We just want people to live their.
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Doug Gottlieb
Lives and be happy and be able to enjoy it without some, you know, lunatic screaming in their face every three seconds.
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Mark Dominick
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Ben Mather
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Profet
Now let's get party.
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Jason Stewart
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Profet
What up?
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Doug Gottlieb
Welcome in this earth, the herd, whatever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Yeah, I don't know what that sentence was. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gotley in for Colin Cowherd, and for the next two hours, I want to talk sports with you. From Poway to Escondido, all the way up to Santa Clarita. Jason Stewart and about five people in Southern California smiled and knew what that was or who that was. Joey chestnut just ate 72 dogs in the hot dog eating contest. Right? I. There is something about the hot dog eating contest which feels. Feels a lot like the Home Run Derby. It was a lot like the Home run Derby. You know, when it first made it big and it was Kobayashi, it was cool. Then all of a sudden, you know, we have this Joey Chestnut character comes out of nowhere and just can crush dogs like nothing we've seen before. Then last year, he was, he, he did like some sponsorship deal with the meatless hot dog, which. Yeah, that sounds pretty terrible. I'm just not gonna lie to you. I don't know. They do not sponsor this show, but. And I'm not decrying any brand. And I don't even like hot dogs. Yeah, that's me. I don't. I mean, I'll eat one. I mean, they're still delicious, but I don't like them just because hot dogs are. They're like popcorn. They don't always taste good, but they always smell really good. And there's a little. They kind of over promise and under deliver. I'm not gonna lie to you. And look, there's lots of great styles of eating hot dogs. I love a Chicago dog. It's different, it's unique. You know, you throw tomatoes, little. Whatever those little pickle thingies are in there, you know, they're good. I. You can be a snob and say you can't eat ketchup. On your hot dog. I disagree. Jstu, you and I have discussed there's nothing special about a Dodger dog. It's just a hot dog that's bought at a Dodger game. But for whatever reason, the simplicity of the execution makes you think you're buying something worth the. I don't even know how much the Dodger dog is now. But whatever you're overpaying for.
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Jace
Also speaks to the power of alliteration. If you, if you make something alliterative in this country, people think it's a much bigger deal than it is. It's. The Dodger dog is kind of a lengthy hot dog that tastes the same as most hot dogs, but they're Dodger dogs. So there's some gravity to that for whatever reason. And it works. They're not going to run from it. So yeah, it speaks to alliteration. And by the way, chestnut, he crushed 71 hot dogs today. The record by him was 76 in 10 minutes. But he did, I think, eat 25 more hot dogs than second place. He crushed the field. A remarkable return by the champion.
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Doug Gottlieb
So if he goes from 76 to 71, is this like, you know, when your velo is just slightly down as a pitcher, like still dominant, but you can see that we, that we're no longer peak. Chestnut.
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Jace
Yeah. And he's got to find more creative ways to win, you know?
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. So now he's not a thrower. Now he's more of a pitcher. Now he's, now he's not an eater. He's more of a chewer. I don't know what the, I don't know what the what, what the what the proper term is perfect. You had something.
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Jason Stewart
Yeah, I, if I may, if, if are you interested in my like, story of my first Dodger dog? Because I am not from LA like you and Southern California like you and you and Jason. Because I had this grand vision in my head of a Dodger dog from what I have been told about all this stuff. And when I went to my first Dodger game and just got a plain, hot, long hot dog wrapped in foil, I was, yeah, supremely disappointed.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
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Jason Stewart
And I had already experienced what I think is like LA's better dogs, which are those bacon wrapped hot dogs you get literally anywhere, but mostly outside the, the, the Memorial Coliseum during USC games. But like literally any.
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Doug Gottlieb
No, you got to give outside anywhere.
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Jason Stewart
Literally anywhere. Yeah. Those danger dogs are everywhere and they'll give you like half a jalapeno with them.
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Doug Gottlieb
Isn't pinkies compared considered the best LA dogs anyway. And then of course, you know, mean, if you do that, Tommy's, Tommy's, his burgers. But Tommy's also has dogs. That's when he gets chili.
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Jason Stewart
Chili burgers.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, yeah. What, what Profet is talking about, and they do have it in New York at a lot of places is you walk out of literally any sort of gathering. Like, I would be surprised if when people get done with family cookouts and they leave the park these days, there's like a group of people selling and they smell so good. But SoFi has, there's SoFi, the Forum, Intuit, Staples, Dodger Stadium, I believe, LAFC.
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Jason Stewart
I believe when the protests were happening here in LA the other month, someone set up a, one of those carts on the 101. Like there's everywhere. Yeah, no, no, I have a video. I will find it and send it to you later.
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Doug Gottlieb
That, that sounds. Yes. The point is that when you walk out of any of these things, there's a hot dog wrapped in bacon. And this, again, this is the false advertising of the hot dog. Hot dog and bacon are, those are two of the greatest smells. You can be the most ardent vegetarian, you know, and walk out and go, I, I will, I will forget everything I've been taught or any sort of conclusions I've come to about meat because I have to eat whatever smells so good. So then you go to Dodger Stadium. You're like world famous Dodger dog. Give me two. And they're like, here you go. And you unwrap the foil and there is a rather pale hot dog in a fresh though moist bun. Right? Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a bit of a bummer. Bit of a bummer. Had a buddy of mine who's in Chicago who sent me a picture of hot dogs. Everybody in Chicago knows hot dogs, right? Chicago dogs as advertised are different than Dodger dogs, which are just hot dog foot long hot dogs. Sorry. They're still good, but whatever you make of them is whatever you want to put on them anyway. Joey Chestnut, 71 dogs. I don't, I mean, I, I guess it's because he took the year off that now we're like a triumphant return. But it is a little bit of the home run derby to me. You know, no matter how much Chris Berman wants to go back on, like it's. Yeah, that's, I don't know, that's not really, you know, it's like the eating, like an eating contest should be. I'd like that eating contest with Those big porterhouse steaks, right? Those gigantic steaks where you get like gotta eat one and it takes dudes hours to do. You got like an hour to eat like a 72 ounce steak and you gotta eat all the gristle and everything else. Whereas the hot dog thing, I think we've all come to learn there is some sort of trick to it. I don't know what the trick is, but it's like a magic trick that, that everyone sort of knows. And he maybe has cracked the code on how to make it work better. Right. Because no matter how hungry you are, you can't get past five, can you? Jace too. Can I? Normally eating a hot dog the hungriest you've ever been. Could you get past five?
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Jace
Oh, probably not five. I will say this.
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Jason Stewart
Can't even get past two.
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Jace
I always get two hot dogs at the Dodger game and it's just pure bliss. There's nothing like a Dodger dog with mustard and onions. That's a necessary thing. And a beer at a Dodger game. There's just something about that combination. And if I am really, really hungry, I'll probably get a third one. But yeah, I think, I think I have to stop at three, don't you?
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. I think what happens is when you go get the Dodger dog, even when you get the first beer, it's like a hot day. You go to beer like, God, so good. When you go back, I think the mental, mentally you're trying to get back to that moment where you're having that first bite bliss again and you can't recapture it. No.
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Jace
It's the law of diminishing returns. You know it definitely the next one is not as good as the last one.
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Profet
For sure.
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Doug Gottlieb
I'm going to tout this. Okay. So have you guys been any. Been to Miller Park? Perfect. You're Midwest guy. Detroit, you've been a Miller Park.
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Jason Stewart
I have. Milwaukee is one of those midwest cities I have not been up to. So no.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay. They have these popcorn stands where they make it fresh. But more than anything they have the fresh butter. Obviously it's a dairy state. When I tell you this is the best popcorn I've ever had in my life. It's not like I've just had popcorn when I've gone to the movies. Like I've gone through stretches of having popcorn every night before I go to bed.
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Jason Stewart
No, if you can get like the.
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Doug Gottlieb
Like when I do. I've done college basketball games. I did college basketball games for 22 years. Okay. And now as a Head coach. I always have popcorn in locker. Like they got popcorn. Can you give me some? Just because it's so easy to get you a little salt fills you up a little bit. Smells good. Whatever. So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life. I probably. Chicken is probably the one thing I've had more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. Okay. In terms of how many times I have had a PSA popcorn on a day in my 49 years on this earth. Hey, I'm telling you, the popcorn, the fresh with the fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller park or no, it's called Amera. Oh, man. I need to know this because it's an insurance company that's pigging family. Oh, God. What's the name of the park that they used to be called?
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Jason Stewart
American. American Family Field.
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Doug Gottlieb
At American Family Field. American families. An insurance company. Anyway, it's. I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever had my life and I would challenge anybody now if you're one of those. I like dry popcorn. I'm not really sure you should exist on this earth, but that's okay. Outside of people who like plain dry popcorn, it's the best popcorn ever had. I don't know how I got to that aside.
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Jace
That surprises me because, like they have to mass produce those things and usually do get the kind of the stale and a bag popcorn at the ballpark.
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Doug Gottlieb
No, but they have the. The regular popcorn at the regular concessions. But then they have these red carts and they're like big red carts. They're not like the little ones that you can get like in your, you know, your game room at your house, like a big red carton. There's a, you know, a woman or a man who's working there. And then so they have like the popcorn being popped fresh and then next to it they have the butter that's just like boiling right there next to like real butter. And they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle it on. And then you take a little salt. You're like, this is the greatest thing I've ever had in my life.
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Jason Stewart
That sounds amazing my way. And it's. It's still. Yeah, I think I haven't had.
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Doug Gottlieb
I don't know how they do it in memory. There's a trick to it though, because again, when you try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn can become mushy. Still delicious. Become mushy. Right, Whatever that. Especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work, so I don't know how they do it. But the. The popcorn still maintains its consistency, though. It has real butter spread. How we get her? Oh, we're talking about Jason. Jason. Jason. Now we're talking about Joey Chestnut. Joey Chestnut. Yeah. I just. I don't know, guys. I just. I. I love the pomp and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the Nathan's people approach the whole thing. I do. It's fun, it's light, nothing else going on. But I gotta be honest with you, it is like home run derby. We're like, I've seen this before. I know how it ends.
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Jace
And it's a tough watch. Like I did, I caught the summary to see how he ranked against his other. His other events and everything else. But there's a TV and studio here, and I could have watched all 71 dogs go down. I can't watch these people eat those hot dogs. And I don't understand the thirst for that. Like, people love watching people eat. Like, it just seems. It's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry. It's not for me.
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Jason Stewart
I think this is different from watching people eat because I like plenty of those. What do they call them on YouTube? It's like a Korean word.
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Doug Gottlieb
Muk.
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Jason Stewart
Mukbang or whatever.
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Doug Gottlieb
It's like, what is it called?
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Jason Stewart
Mukbang. M U K B A N G. I haven't said anything.
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Jace
Sounds like a dirty word.
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Jason Stewart
It's not. I swear. I swear to God it's not.
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Doug Gottlieb
But Google that, is it? If I Google that, will I be.
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Jason Stewart
I think you're safe.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay.
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Jason Stewart
But I think this is different from watching someone just have a nice meal. This is like watching someone forcing down hot dogs well past their limit. Like, not even enjoying the food as they're just shoving it down their gullet and, like working out the water and everything. This is. This is not. This isn't how this. I think what turns people off from the hot dog eating contest is like, this isn't how food is supposed to be consumed. And yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque. Beyond, beyond even gluttony. I feel like.
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Doug Gottlieb
I think people watch to see somebody throw up.
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Jason Stewart
Yeah, that too. But that also just makes it more disgusting.
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Doug Gottlieb
It's like. It's like we were. We were talking about this earlier about, you know, ufc potentially having a fight on the White House lawn in a year. Right. There's a part of me that watches because I like. Because at the end of some of these fights, you might have somebody lose an eyeball. You know, you might, they're just, you know, everybody knows that meme with that woman who just looks like her. Her face got ran over by a tractor, right. And she's doing a post, post match interview. Like, there's part of me that watches that for somebody's arms getting, oh, that's gross. So I do think that there's a portion of people that watch eating contests because they're secretly rooting for somebody to just, like in, stand by me, throw up over everybody else. Anyway, there's your recap. Joey Chestnut, still the world's greatest Nathan's hot dog eating champion. Okay, coming up next in the Hurt, I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Why are the Pittsburgh Steelers not extending? TJ Watt, former GM will tell us next.
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Jason Stewart
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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd iHeartRadio app, Fox Sports Radio. I saw this story and I thought it was really interesting that Lamar Jackson says he's working on becoming more of a vocal leader. More of a vocal leader. This is Lamar Jackson on with Kevin Hart. What was the most difficult adjustment for you in the NFL?
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Profet
Just being a leader.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay.
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Profet
I'm gonna say being a leader because I'm, I really don't. I'm really not outspoken, like, being vocal.
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Jason Stewart
With my guys, like, oh, let's do.
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Profet
This and that, or got a great motivational speech. I don't have that. You know, I just pretty much lead by example. I go out there, I'm gonna work hard. I expect that out of you. But as I've been going, like, growing in the league, it's like, nah, you gotta talk to the guys, coaches and stuff like to tell me, like, talk to the guys. I'm like, all right, now I talk to them one on one. But certain things I'm seeing, I gotta voice it more. I gotta voice my opinion more to those guys.
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Doug Gottlieb
I, I think it's a really hard thing. And I, I love that Lamar expresses that. It's something that he doesn't do. He's, you know, honestly gotta know who you are in this world, especially as an athlete. But look, I go back to my time playing in college. Our best player up until my senior year was ironically, same name as the running back at Oklahoma later on, Adrian Peterson. And you know, the coaches wanted Adrian Peterson because I. Pete. To be a vocal leader, like, that's not who he is. He was our best player. Everybody respected him. Well, when he said things, people responded, but he's just not a. That wasn't who he was. And now in the, in coaching, it's like same thing with point guards, right? Like, you want your point guard to be vocal and be leader. On the other hand, it's really hard to make somebody who's not into something that they're not. You can make them better. Like Lamar can get better progressively over it. But that's what I've heard of Lamar as well, which is like, he just goes and does the work and everybody likes him and. But in terms of in front of a team or being demanding, it's not who he is, you know, verbally. And I just. It sounds good to say to somebody and it does. It's very reasonable to go. I know myself, this is something I need to do better. But the idea that you're going to go from not. Not being a vocal leader to being one, it's not a. You can get better, but you don't become one. I don't think we'll get back to some NFL stuff in a second. Let me get to Jason Stewart and then. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. What? My. My mistake. I'll get Jay Stewart with the news upcoming. Yeah, I just, I don't think you become a vocal leader. It's not just overnight, even over years, you'll become better and better and better. And he's obviously earned the respective of everybody in that franchise and everybody in the NFL. Right. You've been doing it long enough. You've been doing it really well. But that doesn't make somebody able to do something. They're just not. That's just not who they are. Here's another one. I played for a long time, legendary NBA head coach John McLeod When I played Notre Dame. And you know, I had only played for coaches that were intense verbally. My dad, my high school coach played for two different high school coaches. They. They get after it and they get after you. And they were demanding, but demanding verbally. And so I never forget I played Notre dame and John McLeod was the head coach at the time. And you know, coach had coached it with Phoenix, with the Suns, in what's called the greatest NBA Finals game ever. And the four overtime game against the Celtics. He coached the New York Knicks and everything he did, he did with, with class. If he had a problem with something you were doing, you'd get to your dorm room, there would remember hotels, some of them still have it where they have the little red light that blinks when you have a message. When I was in Notre Dame, we had those phones in our rooms and you'd have a message and the message would be from his secretary to come down and meet coach. And you come down, you say hi to secretary, say hi offices and coaches. And you walk down. His office was the very back office. And you go in there and he'd offer you, you know, a Powerade or a water to drink and close the door and you'd watch some film. And if he had something he needed to tell you, he'd tell you so sternly but only in person and not in front of a group. And, and you know, it wasn't obviously weren't very good his first year in the Big East. And yet he never lost his mind on us. He never screamed at us. He didn't until, and I'm gonna say was like end of January, we're playing at Boston College at the Conte Forum. And it was a weird game because again, this is how old I am. Thirty years ago, massive snowstorms, one of the biggest snows, snowy winters on record. And so we had to fly into Albany instead of Boston bus to Boston. They we thought our game was going to get postponed. It was moved from seven at night to nine at night. There might have been 50 people in the stands because I mean you move a game time and there's a gigantic snowstorm outside, nothing else going on. And we're down like 21 at the half. We're just flat. Don't get me wrong, they're better than us. But whether it's the travel or just we were mentally, I don't know, we're just flat. And he lost his mind and started yelling at us. And it was like painful to listen to him yell. I mean here's a guy who's at the time, probably in his late 50s to maybe early 60s, classy as can be. Like watch beautiful gold like Rolex suit. His tie was always immaculate, his hair was perfect. Like the guy smelled good. Like he wouldn't look, he looked like a professional high level NBA coach. And everything was classy and Everything would be like this. And then he lost his mind on us. He tried to yell and he just basically lost his voice yelling. And it dawned on me then, which is like, you can't be something you're not. He wasn't a yeller. Don't try and be a yeller. And I would be fascinated to see what happens with, if Lamar tries to get on to people or, you know, tries to be more verbal and it's just not who he is. So, yeah, I, I think of those two people, of Adrian Peterson and of John McLeod when I think of people trying to make others into something they are not. You can't make a non leader leader and you can't make somebody, can't make somebody a yeller who's not a yeller.
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Jason Stewart
Yeah, Profit, I, this kind of, this kind of critique that it has to be the quarterback who is, you know, the leader too, is like, I'm going to imagine the Ravens are nothing short of leaders on that offense. It just happens to be one of them. The, one of the vocal ones just isn't Lamar Jackson like it every football team. It's just very odd that it seems to be that we place this upon the quarter. I know why we do it, why the quarterback is the one that we always constantly look for the leader. But like that Ravens offense has worked very well without such a leader because they have other leaders there. Right now it's probably along the offensive line or, you know, a wide receiver that gets fired up or even a position coach that gets fired up. But I, I, it, yeah, I, I'm with you. It just kind of feels like this is a, this is an odd archetype to try to shove Lamar Jackson into. If you can't do it, you can't do it.
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Doug Gottlieb
I, I just, I also, I think you, you just have to find your way of leading. Yeah, yeah, that, that's really what it is. He's right. You got to be, you got to be verbal, you got to be demanding, but you have to, you have to lead in your way. I don't think you can be successful if your quarterback's not your leader or one of, you know, he's gotta be your leader, especially as much money, attention, acclaim as he gets, you gotta be leader. That, that is the position. But in terms of yelling, getting onto guys, being verbal, I do think you need it, but I think you gotta figure out how it fits your personality and the dynamic of your group. Not every, not every group, not every year requires the same type or amount of leadership. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.
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Profet
No, no, no.
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Jason Stewart
Turn on the news.
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Jace
This is the Herd line news.
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Doug Gottlieb
Hello, Jason.
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Jace
Hello, Doug. So the Lakers have signed. They're bringing back Jackson Hayes, big man. Right. But he will obviously, what, back up deandre Ayton. Big news for the Lakers this week, signing former first overall pick DeAndre Ayton. So what do you think about their, their situation in the post there, Doug?
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, Jackson Hayes fits more how Luca plays. You know, Luca wants to come off and he needs a lob guy, but it doesn't feel like the Lakers love Jackson Hayes. So. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what their deal is with him. Deandre Ayton is a pretty talented fella scoring the basketball and he's good on pick and roll, but he's a catch on the roll and make a play sort of guy. And he's not really a rim protector defensively. So the first thing is those are two guys they're trying to find that fit with Luka Doncic. That's what they'll go to, but I don't think either make them a championship contender. And the biggest issue with Ayton is he's not a plus player defensively. And while you get away with that when you have Luka, when you have LeBron, you have Austin Reaves. Those are three minuses defensively and in the NBA now you can only maybe have one and you still got to be really good around that person defensively.
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Jace
Over in Phoenix, there's a report that the Suns and Bradley Beal are discussing a buyout, two years, $110 million contract of the remaining contract. Bradley Beal, I think, gets a lot of negative attention. He wasn't available that much this past season, but at 3:32 years old, how valuable would he be on the market?
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Doug Gottlieb
I think Bradley Beal is the classic best player on a bad team. Every bad. Here's the expression in basketball. Every bad team has a leading score. What's that mean? It was really hard to tell. I've always liked Bradley Beal. Like, Bradley Beal supposedly, like, has like a 32 waist. Like, the guy keeps himself at unbelievable shape. Just a stud. And no matter how bad they were in Washington, always professional. But he gets to the Suns and it's been an abject disaster. And it leads you to think, like, yeah, he's. It's the Damian Lillard thing where people for years, like, get him out of there, get him on a championship team, get him on a better team so his talents can get recognized, then you put them on a better team and they're not nearly that good. That's where I think he is.
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Jace
Doug lost in the whole Clayton Kershaw 3000 strikeout the other night. Like, literally like a couple pitches before he got that 3000K. Max Muncie had a very scary situation at third base where he was covering a runner trying to steal third base. And the replay shows that Max Muncie took a real shot to the knee. The Dodgers feared the worst, but they actually got some pretty good news yesterday as it's there's no structural damage and they're probably going to be without him for several weeks. Muncie has been on a tear for the past three or four weeks. He will be missed. But good news for the Dodgers, it looks like he's going to be back by the end of the season.
- [36:37]
Doug Gottlieb
That is good news, but it was a scary one. Like every, every person who say like me is a medical professional on social media is like, oh, oh, what do we think? What do we think that is? You start sending it to your friends. Perfett I've never asked you. J Stew has answered this one three times. People in this world, you hear about an injury, you either don't want to see it ever, don't show it to me. I don't care. Type two is I want to see it once, just to catalog it so I know what everybody's talking about. Type 3 is just put it on replay. I want to see it as many times as possible. Which one are you?
- [37:14]
Jason Stewart
I think I would state I am a type 1. However, I think the curiosity in me is so strong that I end up begrudgingly being a type 2. I will never admit openly of being a type 2 to people, but I will eventually, just just to get a frame of context about it. I do have bad luck in that I keep seeing a lot of these things live because I saw Kevin Ware's injury live. I saw who was the UFC fighter. Oh, Anderson Silva, specifically. Something about legs bothers me if it's a leg injury. I try not to watch it as best I can just because there's something about a leg that just really does not work well with me.
- [37:57]
Doug Gottlieb
J stuff.
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Jace
I certainly do not want to watch those things. In fact, the other night there was this thing that happened on the live broadcast where they didn't show the replay of it. And then to make matters a little bit more scary, the broadcaster at the time said, we're not going to show the replay. We've decided as a production crew not to show the replay. So you're like, oh my gosh, did his leg fall off? So considering all the drama again, this diagnosis is pretty good news. The Dodgers have plenty to fill in. They even have a trade deadline to add. Maybe an extra glove if they want it. Personally, I wouldn't mind them seeing. Maybe given Will Smith some reps at third, get them out from beyond home plate. But yeah, good news for the Dodgers here.
- [38:48]
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, it's an escape for the Dodgers because look worse, it look worse. And that's Jason Stewart with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie News Steelers kind of acting unstealer like right A A traditionally conservative, successful organization is tired of just being good. But have they made the right moves to be great? Well, that's Mark Dominic. He joins us next in the Hurt.
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Doug Gottlieb
What up? Doug Gottlieb in for calls heard fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app Mark Steinle join us next hour. We'll talk about. I mean, does LeBron legit want to be traded? Like Brian Onehorse kind of opened the door. I think that was yesterday. That's next hour on the show. But in the meantime, let's focus our attention on the NFL. And it's a kind of a unique year. I saw where you guys see where Emmanuel Ocho predicted that this is going to be the beginning of a Super bowl is streak from the Jets. Now here's my issue, and he did provide some substance to his argument. My issue is I get that this is like the Tom Brady fall off that Max Kellerman and Rob Parker and others predicted, and it never really came to fruition. Never really came to fruition. He wasn't great his last year in Tampa, but he was good enough. His team wasn't very good. He was outstanding for the most part. I mean, had look, even in Green Bay when they beat the packers, you know, that was that Covid year. Half full stadium. He was bad in the second half, but spectacular in the first half. But my point is that calling somebody's career, beginning the downward trend and decline is not an unreasonable thing. Eventually somebody's going to be right. If you make that prediction every year. But I mean, every year Patrick Mahomes has been starting quarterback of the Chiefs. They've at minimum reached the AFC championship game. So it's not like you got to be flogged for saying it. But don't tell me you're pregnant. Show me the baby. You know, if you don't think they're going through the super bowl, that's fine. They may not. You may end up right. J. Stu and I are Charger fans, hardcore. But there's not one moment of any day in which either of us, if you said, hey, gun to your head, you got to put your salary or even a monthly salary on a team to win the AFC west, that we would pick anybody other than the Kansas City Chiefs. Is that fair? Jace, too?
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Profet
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
No.
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Jace
No doubt that's fair.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, more football talk. Let's welcome in Mark Dominic, good friend of my show, the Doug Gottlieb show, of course, general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. He spent his entire professional life in the NFL, scouting in the front offices and now appearing with us in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Help me understand why we'll get to the Steelers on the whole, and maybe that's what it's related to. But why not extend T.J. watt?
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Profet
Well, I think you want to because I still Believe there's a lot of good football inside of him. It might be more of a Steelers mentality of like how they negotiate. You know, Omar Khan, the general manager there, came from obviously the salary cap side and Pittsburgh has been notoriously a little trickier to negotiate with. And I think that's part of it. And I think what Pittsburgh's going to have to do if they don't extend him, which I think they should, I, I think it's very reasonable. I mean, the numbers astronomical, even at his age. But I think he's got at least two years, one plus two. So three more years of him and I think a 10 plus stack type of performance. So it's just a matter of, you know, understanding the dynamics of how you could structure it. The only other thing Pittsburgh can do is really sweeten up this year's deal with a lot of incentives to say, hey, look, play this one out, go hit free agency, find out what you're worth. We won't franchise tag you. That's the only other way I think you'll get to the right spot.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay. You look at what they've done. Aaron Rodgers, like, yeah, probably my last year. Last year they go and trade for Jalen Ramsey. They go make some moves. It's for the, for the Steelers. This is kind of an all in approach, right? Whereas they've been kind of the picture of consistency and that's their usual approach. Do you like what they put in place? If this is just a one year run to try and, you know, take a shot at the Super Bowl?
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Profet
I, I like it. I don't love it. There's a couple things that really make me nervous about the Steelers. Number one, and I hate to say it, but, you know, Broderick Jones, their first rounder back in 2023, is going to have to carry a lot of weight. Meaning, you know, he has been up and down when he's been on the field and I'm worried that Aaron Rodgers is going to feel a lot of pressure from the left side. I think that's a big stretch there that they've got to deal with. I think center, guard and right tackle, they're in great shape. You know, John Smith is going to bring him a little more speed with Firemuth, so I appreciate that. You know, they've got some veteran receivers there, but they don't have a lot of depth at wide receiver. So there's, you know, it'd be important for Roman Wilson, you know, get on the field this year and see what he can do. I think it does come down to TJ Watt. As much as I think Aaron can lift this team. The problem is you've got to have Watt on the football field, and you still have since Natty and you still have the Ravens, and so, yeah, you can push. And I think that's what they're thinking is like, how do we get over that hump? Because if we can win our division, we got a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Right now, I still see Pittsburgh is that 10 to maybe 11 win season type of team, but I don't think they're good enough overall to surpass where the Ravens are.
- [48:37]
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, there was this. There's a story out there where, where Lamar Jackson, he actually told Kevin Hart, like, hey, I gotta be more vocal. I gotta. I gotta get better at that. I gotta be more of a vocal leader. From, from my perspective, I don't think you can make somebody who's not a vocal leader into a vocal leader. Am I. You've been around this long time. Am I wrong?
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Profet
No, you're not wrong. I think you either are or you're not. You know, you lead by example and work ethic or you, you can vocally lead people because you know the right thing to say at the right time. There's one thing to sit there that I need to be more vocal, but it's, it's. I think the vocal leaders that are really good know exactly what to say. I mean, how many times have we watched Ray Lewis pregame speech? And you're like, that guy nailed it. He's just like, that guy's a really great pregame speecher speaker. And so you see different guys have that. And that's why you know things like, why do scouts go to practice when you can watch everything on tape? Well, because you can see how a guy is a leader. Like, why do we like East West Shrine? Why do we like this Senior Bowl? Because we get to see guys in leadership roles and see how they do that. Is it natural to them? And so all that's part of the evaluation process. And. But I agree. I think it's a lot harder for somebody. I don't think you can. I shouldn't say it's a lot harder. I don't think you can become this suddenly this vocal leader because I just don't think it's natural. That's why you haven't been like that since the beginning.
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Doug Gottlieb
What's your take on Jordan? Love? And I asked that because you and I, we've talked weekly here for the last couple years. I was surprised when they extended him despite kind of a limited sample size, maybe to the extent that they paid him. The numbers were astronomical in terms of touchdowns, but there was a string of turnovers and he is inexperienced and is relatively young and didn't have a number one wide receiver. But they also didn't play well in division games. They won one division game and that's on a, on a botched special teams play by the Bears a couple years into being a starter. Where are you on Jordan Love?
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Profet
Well, I would sit there and I know at the end of the season they had a couple of really, really tough losses by a couple points there like you just mentioned and I think that was certainly kind of what hurt them through the whole season. But I think when I, when I look at Jordan Love, I have been impressed even more than I think I was originally going to be. I'll be candid. I saw a good player, but I didn't think he would be this level. Yeah, I know last year may not have been, you know, his best in completions and yards and touchdowns etc, but I still believe in him in terms of how good he is with the touchdown interception ratio. And that's a critical thing. And I know it seems so simplistic, but look at the Trevor Lawrence is the world. Look at the guys that really struggle in this area and Jordan Love has and some of that might be system, but he's still got to make good decisions. I think the packers are a much better football team. You know, I think overall I think they're going to be right there with Detroit in terms of battling for the division title. And I don't see any reason why Jordan Love is going to take any more of a quote unquote step back. I certainly, you know, believe that a couple of things are going to happen for him this year. Number one, you talked about it. Matthew Golden's on the roster and that's going to be another big weapon for him. That's going to be important. But number two is Luke Musgrave will be back and I think that they missed having Tucker Craft and Musgrave in formations out on the field last year. That really hurt them. And so I think that's going to be another big piece for them and why they're going to be a better team. And I think it's also going to be better on defense, you know, because they're more familiar now with obviously Jeff happily in the system and getting more and more concise and set in that role. So I like this team. You know, I think they're going to battle Detroit. I don't think it's a slam dunk. Detroit wins this division. I think the Green Bay packers are right there.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, we are on Collins show. I got 30 seconds. Are you a buyer into the new Caleb Williams, the year two new coach, more offensive weapons around at Caleb Williams.
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Profet
I think we're going to see a consistent I think we're going to see a lot of the same Caleb Williams we saw last year. I think it's going to be good, but I don't think it's going to go to the next level.
- [52:39]
Doug Gottlieb
All right. All right. That's Mark Dominic. Mark, have a great fourth. We'll talk to you next week. Thanks for being our guest.
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Profet
Great talking to you. Have a great fourth.
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Doug Gottlieb
That's Mark Dominic, who's the long time in the National Football League, former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd on Fox Sports radio on the iHeartRadio app. Coming up next, how should the Lakers interpret LeBron James latest passive aggressive comments about the franchise and his future? Let's have it out. We'll do so next. The Doug Gottlieb Show. Excuse me. In the Herd on Fox Sports Radio.
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Profet
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Doug Gottlieb
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Mark Dominick
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