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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
Your bill, ladies. I got it. No, I got it. Seriously, I insist. I insisted first.
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Joy Taylor
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Nick Wright
Silly?
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
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Katie Couric
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Heard Podcast. Here we go, Hour two and a Tuesday. I'm telling you this starting Thursday night. J. Mac text me last night and I was very Distracted on my birthday. And he said, hey, Thursday, Penn State, Notre Dame, you want to hang out? And I gave it some thought and I said, yes, let's hang out. That's going to be an all timer.
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Joy Taylor
Cowherd was weighing his other options. Let me see what else is going on.
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Colin Cowherd
I was hanging out with Rosill last night.
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Joy Taylor
Oh, geez.
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Colin Cowherd
One glass of wine. I have, I have snake dreams. I can't do two glasses.
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Joy Taylor
I texted him yesterday, by the way.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he showed up for my birthday. My friend David Slay and Priscilla, great chopping it up, having fun, talking about life. And you know, Rossill couldn't keep his eyes off that Wizards, Orlando Magic game in the corner of his restaurant. He's breaking down NBA tape on a Monday, Tuesday night. Okay, we do the herd hierarchy. This is the final herd hierarchy of the regular season. So it's kind of like our, it's our playoff herd hierarchy. Here we go. Heard hierarchy time is now.
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Nick Wright
Let's go.
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Colin Cowherd
The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10, Tampa Bay. I put him in over Washington. They play him this weekend. I'll tell you, there's one stat that I love about this team. They have the best third down offense in the NFL. They're the only team on third down that converts over 50% of the time. That is a big stat for me. You're moving the chains. You're often keeping it away from Jaden Daniels. This is a team that situationally is very, very good. It's why I like Tampa. To beat Washington, I put Tampa Bay at 10. Number nine, the Packers, I. You know what, I liked him all year, but now Jordan loves banged up Christian Watson is out. Listen, seven straight games for Jordan Love without a giveaway. That is the longest streak of his care. So would it shock me if they went to Philadelphia and Jalen Hurts didn't play and they upset him? No, I said early in the year and I believe this, they're a year away, but I'm going to have them right now. There's so many things I like about the organization, but boy, Philadelphia is an opener, is a. It's a big lift. I'll take Green Bay at nine. Number eight, the Chargers. I don't think they have enough weaponry to get to a Super bowl. But listen, they lose to the right teams. Five of their six losses came to the Chiefs twice. You know, Ravens, Tampa Bay blew them out. So I think they're, they're the best version of what they can be right now. And they've got a lot of Things I like a star quarterback, two excellent offensive tackles, Khalil Mack, Derwin James on the back end. But I feel they're a running back, a tight end, a wide receiver shy to be to Kansas City or a Baltimore or a Buffalo. I have the Chargers at eight, number seven. I'm gonna put the Rams one slot ahead of them because right now they are so healthy and when they have Cooper cup and Stafford and Kyron Williams and Puka Nakua they are 14 and 5 and most of their losses are close. Matt Stafford's playing well. I don't love their first half offense this year. It feels like Stafford is an old pitcher that needs to get to the fifth inning to warm up. They just feel like they're not quite capable of getting off to good starts. Now their keeps them in games and they usually win them. I don't think you can be a bad first half offense and win multiple playoff games. So whatever that is, they gotta solve it. I have The Rams at 7, number 6. I the the Vikings at 6. The Rams. Vikings is a great game. Listen, they were 04 in red zone trips and Sam Darnold had too much juice and too much adrenaline and missed open throws. But the only two teams they've lost to this year, the Lions a couple of times in the Rams. So like we're talking about a very good football team. Sam Darnold did not have a good game in a big spot. I didn't think it was a winnable game. I thought it was the biggest football game in Detroit with a better roster. In 15 years I'll took the Vikings at six, number five. We have to be honest. Speaking of history, you know the Ravens are the first team in league history with 4,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing yards in a season that cannot be overlooked. This is just not another team in the NFL. They are a passing powerhouse and a running powerhouse and they lead the NFL in yards per carry. So if you're going to beat Kansas City, that is the way to do it. I'm not saying they're going to, but the way to do it is you get four and a half yards of carry and Patrick Mahomes is thrown on third and two and second and four. That's the way to beat Kansas City. So I think they're uniquely built. They're a better version of what they've been in previous years. They're even better on the ground than previous years. Number four, the Eagles. Jalen Hurts. Concussion protocol maybe. I think their roster would be number one. I, I am A little worried about the Jalen Hurts situation. Listen, If Hurts and AJ Brown play, they're 110 and they have the best roster in the league. So I've always said the final four teams in my blazing five, I believe are the super bowl teams. Those are teams that can win a Super Bowl. My final four teams, you know, if I did this tomorrow and Jalen Hurts was out of protocol, I'd probably have him at three. But I'll put him at four. Number three, Detroit. Now, they're getting healthier on defense and this should be noted. This is how good of a coach coordinator Aaron Glenn is. I don't think they have great defensive personnel. I think they have great offensive personnel. They've allowed the lowest passer rating of any team in the NFL this year and that's with Hutchison, their top pass rusher out for most of the year and massive injuries in the back seven. This is a really, really well coached team and also another team that matches up with like a Kansas City. Two running backs great online, like Baltimore can play some keep away. Detroit at three. Number two, Buffalo, feels like the best version of Buffalo. They're no longer reckless. Fewest turnovers in a single season in NFL history. Tied for the second fewest turnovers, eight. So they don't beat themselves like previous seasons. They don't give the ball away. They don't allow sacks. So I think this is the best version of Baltimore and Buffalo this year. Is it good enough to beat Kansas City? I. If I was a betting person, I would say no. So let's go to number one and we all know who it is. Number one. Listen, they're seven and two against current playoff teams this season. Seven straight games without a turnover. I think their receiving core is more dynamic today than it's been the previous two years. Their defense may be not quite as good. The AFC playoffs are going to be one for the ages because, you know, I look at this team and I see a little snazzier version of offense. Xavier Worthy now is a better tool than previous years. I think they now have a second tight end. I don't think their offensive tackle situation is ideal, but it's good enough. But I think Baltimore and Buffalo are the best versions of Baltimore and Buffalo in years. And I do think a little bit they'd rather face a Bo Nix potentially than a Joe Burrow. That's the advantage for the Chiefs, although I would have taken them to beat Cincinnati. And Nick Wright, co host, first Things first joins us now live. Okay. The wild card in that is Philly, who I thought Jalen hurts played his best football in the last month but now he's in concussion protocol. Anything jump out to you?
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Nick Wright
So a number of things. One is I think you're letting people bully you, Colin. I don't think you actually believe the Vikings are going to beat the Rams. So just put the Rams ahead of them. I think you're going to pick the Rams and I think that you didn't that you having a 107 team ahead of a 143 team you didn't want to do. You love Darnold and again I'm not. We'll see. But my guess is Friday when the blazing five happens and you're staring at the Rams plus a point and a half, you grab that. So I would flip flop the Rams and the Vikings if you're doing what I think you're going to do. And then lastly you mentioned that you said something that so many people have said and so I will just ask it to you because it really this narrative that the Chiefs didn't want Cincinnati in the playoffs despite the fact that the Chiefs have won three straight against Cincinnati, that since Cincinnati last won a playoff game, the Chiefs have won two Super Bowls and that the Bengals now have the same playoff drought as the Giants and the Jags. Set all that aside, in order to play the Bengals, the Bengals would have to beat the Bills. Don't you think the Chiefs would sign up right now for a playoff path that involves guaranteed never playing Buffalo and you get Cincinnati in round two? Because that was the only path. The only way the Chiefs played the Bengals was if the Bengals went to Buffalo and clipped the Bills. I would have loved that. I wish the Bengals were a better organization so they could have made the playoffs and made that happen. They needed the Chiefs JV team to beat Bo Nicks and they couldn't abide. But wouldn't that have been good for the Chiefs for the Bengals to get in and beat Buffalo?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think the, the advantage Kansas City has now is Buffalo and Baltimore have shown, especially Baltimore. They get tight against Kansas City. Cincinnati's playing with house money. If they would have snuck in and Joe Burrow on house money with great receivers is always a little scary. There's always a playoff team that gets in and you know, and you're like they got nothing.
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Nick Wright
That offense who could slow it down? I mean the Steelers were falling apart. They, they hung a whole 19 on them and needed Russell Wilson for getting clock and score to beat them. And they need, I mean again the Bengals The Bengals are the scariest team I've ever seen that the moment the season ended, fired half their coaching staff. They're so scary. They're like, we need to revamp everything. But whatever. We don't, we can, we don't have to talk about the teams that missed the playoffs today so we can leave the Bengals out of it.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's talk about something we both have affection for is the city of Chicago and the Bears. And it's a huge, it's a huge job. I suggested 20 minutes ago. I said it sounded crazy. If I would have said to you years before it happened, Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to the NFC championship. The Niners will bail on Joe Montana. KD will join the rival Warriors. I don't think it's crazy if the Steelers got boxed that Chicago calls Pittsburgh and says, we'll take Mike Tomlin. And by the way, this league fired Andy Reid and Belichick. You can have the discussion. They haven't beaten a good quarterback in a playoff game in 15 years. What I. So I think if I'm going to all these silly candidates the Bears are interviewing, there's like 13 and some of them. You're like the offensive coordinator for Arizona. What are we doing here? I mean, again, this is not American Idol. I don't need to see all these tryouts. What's the point? So my take is, is Tomlin, if they get beat, I think they should consider Vrabel or Tomlin. Am I nuts?
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Nick Wright
Well, no, I don't. I don't think you're nuts at all. I understand and I agree with the idea that Ben Johnson should be the number one candidate for two reasons. One is the ideal, and you've talked about it, is pairing your young quarterback with the offensive minded coach so you don't have to worry about the quarterback learning new systems. That is, that is the ideal. It has the added benefit of weakening the biggest competition within your own division.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
So I totally get that Ben Johnson should be the top candidate, but after him, I agree with you that I would prefer established, proven coach like a Mike Vrabel, certainly a Mike Tomlin if you could get him over. We're going to spin the offensive coordinator wheel and hope it lands on a Kevin O'Connell rather than it landing on a Brian Dable. We're going to hope it lands on a Matt LaFleur rather than it landing on a Freddy Kitchens or a Shane Steichen. Like I the it is very in vogue to just say, you know, who they should go after. Liam Cohen, or as you said, the offensive coordinator from Arizona. But a year ago, Bears folks, a lot of people were like, you know who they should hire? Bobby Slowik. Look at what he did in Chicago with C.J. stroud. Well, Bobby Slowik all of a sudden didn't get a head coaching job, and now he is on the hot seat as the coordinator. So it's not quite as simple as flavor of the month offensive coach. I do think Ben Johnson would be a home run higher, but I am not at all against Mike Vrabel there. I think he would be excellent. And obviously, if they could get Mike Tomlin, I think Mike Tomlin's great. I think he's clearly one of the five best coaches in the league. And so, yeah, I think that would be great. You also, you are really dead set on the Bears trading for a coach. You wanted them to trade for Kyle Shanahan. Now you want them to trade for Mike Tomlin. You want the Bears to have a proven winner. And I like it. I like it.
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Colin Cowherd
I will say this. I'm more impressed with Aaron Glenn in Detroit than Ben Johnson, and here's why. Aaron Glenn has an had Hutchison or a secondary for two months, and they have the best defense against quarterbacks in the league. They allow the lowest pass rate. Ben Johnson's got the best O line and number one receiver, two great backs, the best tackle combo. Like, it's. It's. You're playing with a lot of nice toys here that I think a lot of. And I think Aaron Glenn is a remarkable. They lost Hutchinson. All of us were like, oh, oh, no. They went and got BNC guys. They put it in. So I think what they did to Darnold, who was on a heater for three months, Darnold looked like he was the Jets. Darnold.
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Nick Wright
That's what I was about to say. That's what I was about to say. You want Colin Coward to think you're a defensive mastermind, make Sam Darnold look bad. I mean, it can't be. I mean, that there's no surefire thing for Colin to be like, that's a head coach right there. That if you can make Sam Darnold, of all people, only score nine points, I mean, it's fair point.
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Colin Cowherd
So I said this. The jets haven't been good or interesting in forever. Rex Ryan and Aaron Rodgers, you might as well just call HBO now and say, start miking people up for hard knocks. This is the greatest combination ever. When Rex Ryan puts his name out there for the Jets, Part of me thinks, okay, I would prefer Ben Johnson, but he's going to have offers and probably won't take it. How do you solve prickly Aaron Rodgers, impulsive owner, pretty interesting roster. You're in the city, you're hearing all the opinions. How do you solve Aaron and the Jets?
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Nick Wright
You don't. You can't. He's going to be a 42 year old quarterback who has demonstrated over the last two healthy years of football that he is at best the 17th best quarterback in football with no leadership capabilities and that where the team eats itself alive. So you can't solve that piece of it. But they're going to need someone to. So I'd move on from Aaron, but you're going to need someone to coach the team either way. And if Rex Ryan somehow talks his way into this job, it'll be an all time coup. I don't think it'll be a good decision. Yeah, but you don't do politics on this show smartly. And this isn't political. But I do want to give people, if they don't know it, a brief history lesson. Long time ago, back in, gosh, the late 90s, when George W. Bush was running for president, he hired a guy to run a committee to figure out who his vice president should be. That guy's name was the late Dick Cheney. And Dick Cheney did a bunch of research, then was like, you know what? After interviewing all the candidates, the best guy is me. And he ended up being vice president. It would appear that might be what Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are doing with the Jets. Tannenbaum gets hired to pick the next gm. I'm thinking Mike Tannenbaum's gonna have a list. At the top of the list is gonna be Mike Tannenbaum and the coach that he had when he already was the gm, Rex Ryan. If they get the old band back together, being able to sell Woody Johnson on, hey, I mean, you've just sucked since we left. I guess it's an idea. It's not an idea. I would sign up for. You mentioned Aaron Glenn. How about Aaron Glenn who played for the Jets.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Who has like actual sweat equity with the franchise. That would make sense. But yeah, sure, Mike Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan and Aaron Rodgers, which would have been an interesting combination in 2010, running it back in 2025. Why not?
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Colin Cowherd
So, so many things the Lions do embody the NFL like, like I remember this. Sure. Years ago. It didn't bother me because Steph Clay and Draymond were drafted and developed by the warriors, and they'd already won pre kd, but when they signed Kevin Durant, it was kind of shocking to me. Everywhere I went for several years out in the public, they were like, NBA stinks. I refuse to watch a league where they. Where they basically bought a dynasty. And I'm like, time out. Steph, Clay and Draymond were drafted and developed. Draymond, second round. People didn't like it. Detroit, a city that builds cars, has built a football team. Three wins, you know, nine wins, 11, 14. I honestly think, and I was thinking about you this morning. If the Chiefs were to get beat, Detroit would be the team that you would be like, okay, good American story. You're a Midwesterner. They, it's sweat equity. They put the time and just imagine losing the super bowl because I think Detroit is speaking to the country. I just saw the rating for the game, Detroit and Minnesota. It was a bad game. The rating's insane. America loves this team. Do you love them?
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Nick Wright
Yes. Oh, I respect them. And I. I thought Dan Campbell was incredibly reckless last Monday playing his guys, but listen, the guy drew to an inside straight and it worked out perfectly. He got out of that game, you know, mostly healthy and it clear. Listen, they came out with their hair on fire in their biggest game of the year. They won. Now they get the buy. And you got to give credit. I love the fact that the Lions are. That they are who they are without apology when it comes to the aggressiveness offensively on the fourth downs. And I do like to bring them up again. The fact that Aaron Glenn has recognized, you know what, our defense isn't good enough because of the injuries to play you straight up.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
So we're going to do. To bring up the Chiefs the way the Chiefs before they had good defensive players won a Super bowl in 2019, which is. It's going to be boom, bust. We're going to sit in the house repeatedly and maybe we'll get beat, but maybe we'll force a turnover, maybe we'll tip a pass. And that's how we're going to make up for a lack of talent on defense because the Lions, because they've suffered all those injuries. So I do have massive respect for what the Lions have done and how they have embodied their coaches culture. And I have respect for Brad Holmes, the gm. Yeah. Who said I don't care that people are going to roll their eyes at a draft that goes running back, inside backer, tight end, safety, because those are devalued positions. I'm going to get the best or second best player in the draft at all four spots. And while everyone else is taking defensive end 7 and wide receiver 6, I'm going to get starters. So I, I truly respect all of that same. Do I like them? No. I don't like anyone but my team that's about to win the third straight Super Bowl. Like, I don't like any of these teams. But I will tell you, as far as if it is one versus one, Chiefs, Lions, it is going to be. When they show those maps of who's rooting for who, the Chiefs will have Missouri and Kansas, and the Lions will have all other 48 states. Yeah, it will. Even though they're 15 and 2, it will feel like the underdog because of who they are. And yeah, if someone's got to win a Super bowl, that's not the Chiefs. I suppose it'd be fine if it'd be the Lions, but unfortunately, the Chiefs win all the Super Bowls, and so they're probably just not going to.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, well, I love that confidence. You, you, you, you know, you're a great poker player, so you have confidence even with losing hands. And I think that's imperative to be a great poker player. And I also think to be a sportscaster, you're. Your history is you believe even in rough, turbulent waters.
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Nick Wright
Oh, yeah, that's the thing. It was really hard to believe in the Chiefs. This year started 15 and 1, and all year long, everyone was saying, what's wrong with them? Real quick, if I may, before I go, happy belated birthday. My wife, who you always say such kind things about, said to me yesterday, she said, you know, it's Colin's birthday. And I was like, oh, I didn't, because I'm a man and I don't remember such things. And she said, she said, are you gonna call him? And I was like, no, I don't think I'm gonna call him. She was like, that's. She's like, nick, he's your friend. You need to call him. And I'm like, I think he would find that odd. She was like, at least text him. So that birthday text you got from me yesterday was really just because she told me to. Like, I just. I. It doesn't feel like I love you with all my heart. And it really felt weird even sending you that. I was like, I'll talk to him on TV the next day, but happy birthday.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I appreciate it. I'm one of these guys that says, I don't care about birthdays. And then I got all these texts and these nice gifts. And I will be honest with you, it was very nice, so I appreciated it.
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Nick Wright
Nice gifts. Wow. I guess I fell short. I just sent a text I wasn't even gonna send. I'll pay for that bottle of wine you were stunting on Twitter. If you just send me an invoice. Oh, I'll buy you that retroactively. See you, buddy.
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Colin Cowherd
See you, buddy. I'll send Nick Wright an invoice. That's what I'll do now. People were really nice yesterday. You know, most kids that I paid college tuitions for were nice, but I mean, there was something in it, you know. But no, the point people are very tough and I'm one of these guys that say, yeah, I'm always out there. I don't care about birthdays. And then people say nice stuff and it warms your heart. So who am I kidding? I'm a big soft nothing. I'm out here like, oh, I don't care. I have no emotions and I get all teary eyed when I get a backpack from a friend. Give me, give me a break. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast too. Oh, really? Thanks, Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on the NPR Politics podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, we were talking about the Lions improving under Dan Campbell. 313 and 1 to 9 and 8 to 12 and 5 to 15 and 2. And it's just been this put your head down, dust yourself off draft and develop. Don't bring anybody in. And it just keeps working. I think a lot of people see themselves, you know, sort of as the Lions in America. I think they've just improved. And people resent when you take shortcuts, whether it's for your football team, basketball team or in life. So, you know, it's I don't think there's any question if the Detroit Lions make the super bowl against the Kansas City Chiefs, it will shatter every record. I predicted Ohio State and Oregon was going to shatter records. And that was a terrible game, and that broke record. So there are certain games you can see in our business that are just big. Detroit making the super bowl is going to shatter every super bowl viewing record. I think they resent. They represent the middle of the country. It's like I said yesterday, it's the Chicago Cubs in shoulder pads. And everybody remembers that. You know, Cubs, World Series and Joe Buck on the call. And it just. It resonates like people. People want to see people who have had a hard life. Nobody wants to see the wealthy guy win Powerball. Like, nobody wants to see that. That's what the warriors felt like. They already had money and they got Kevin Durant. People resented that even though the warriors had built up through the draft a really good team that had already won a title. People thought it was. It was too rich of icing for already a great wealthy cake. They didn't like it. Detroit is doing it the right way. I was surprised because Golden State, to me, did it the right way. And then just like a lot of teams, they went and added a piece. A lot of teams do that. I mean, Shaq and D. Wade won a title. Nobody resented that. I mean, the Celtics had Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett and. And they had the Paul Pierce, and nobody resented that. But, boy, when KD is so great, then when KD went to the warriors, if people were like. And it didn't matter that Steph, Clay and Draymond didn't matter. They were drafted and developed and that they. Draymond was second round, and Clay Thompson played at Little Washington State and Steph Curry played at Davidson. It was like. And they won before Kevin Durant got there. It just felt like too much. People push back wealthy guy one Powerball. Gross. We don't like it. So I think Detroit's the opposite of that. They. They are all homegrown. They've done it the right way. They've dusted themselves off. And I, you know, it's hard for me not. Philadelphia has been there many times. It's hard for me not to root for Detroit. I don't like rooting for teams per se. I don't want confirmation bias. You know, I want to come in clean every day with. Here's my opinion based on what I saw. It'd be hard not to root for Detroit to get to a Super bowl and win the Super Bowl. Be hard not to, because we've all witnessed what's happened for the previous. Most of the previous 50 years. J. Mac with the news.
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Nick Wright
No no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Joy Taylor
All right, let's quickly go to the Cow and Jerry Jones and the potential extension for Mike McCarthy. With his contract set to expire exactly one week from today, Jerry continues to figure out how to handle things. But the Bears have requested an interview with McCarthy about their opening. McCarthy said that he absolutely wants to return to Dallas, but things can change quickly now. The Cowboys and Bears play next season.
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Colin Cowherd
Coward.
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Joy Taylor
If you're advising McCarthy, what are you telling.
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Colin Cowherd
Caleb Williams on a rookie contract or dak off a second injury being paid like Mahomes? I think the Bears is very interesting. It's not like the Cowboys have great ownership. They have a meddling owner. If I can get a talented quarterback for four years on a rookie contract, despite reservations about the executive suite, that's very interesting to me. And I think Chicago's got more high end players than Dallas. Montez Sweat, Jalen Johnson, Caleb Williams, DJ Moore. I mean, there's like four or five really high ends.
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Joy Taylor
So if, if you're McCarthy and you really want to get Dallas and Chicago hot for you, could you get a third team involved? Our producer here said what if, what if the jets made a play for McCarthy that would easily run off Aaron Rodgers and then McCarthy gets started new in New York. Like Rodgers is not playing for McCarthy, given how that ended in Green Bay.
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Colin Cowherd
I just watched that enigma, that Gotham Chopra documentary on Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron Rodgers was complimented throughout by Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy said nice things about him, I don't think. I think in retrospect, I mean, a lot of people, you know, they date. They. They don't date, they get back to dating. I don't think everything's as final as sometimes the media presents. I think Aaron and Mike McCarthy for a year could work. And I think.
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Joy Taylor
Wait, wait, wait. So it was only, I believe, three years ago, right? Maybe two, Two, three years ago when the falling out began and the stories came out that they would walk past each other in the halls and Green Bay would not talk to each other like the season ended really.
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Colin Cowherd
But Aaron now is much more vulnerable. And McCarthy would come in with all the power. Now McCarthy would have a five year deal. Aaron would have. Aaron would have no power. Aaron at that time was American matinee Idol. He was mvp. Aaron had all the power. And we know when Aaron has power, he can be difficult. Now he would have virtually no power. So the relationship, the dynamic has shifted. Totally shifted. I think McCarthy and Aaron could work. Aaron was young. I mean, Aaron walked in the Green Bay and was poking, according to the books I've read, poking Brett Favre in the ribs. And Favre was the most popular player in the league. That's Aaron's personality. Aaron now has no leverage with a new coach. None.
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Joy Taylor
Well, it's kind of me. I came in here, I was poking you a little bit. You're the most popular guy in sports media.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I don't think.
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Joy Taylor
Poking.
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Joy Taylor
No poking.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Joy Taylor
All right, let's move on to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who enter the postseason on a four game losing skid. Now, one of them came against the Ravens, who they faced this week, and they are now 10 point underdogs. Colin. To make matters worse, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh have another unfortunate streak. Eight seasons without a playoff win. Something Tomlin wants to take sole ownership of.
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Colin Cowherd
What you mentioned is my story is not this collective story. Many of these guys involved do not tote those bags. I happily tote those bags, but it's not something that I'm a project on. The collective next four weeks will be defined by a string of nails. Our ability to focus on tasks at hand, to win moments, to prepare with an edge, to be hyper and singularly focused. That just, it's just I, I don't think it's crazy that the Chicago Bears and Mike Tomlin. I mean, the, the, the years, let's be honest, the old. I work at one company for 35 years. That stuff doesn't exist except maybe in like factories. And even those factories, you know, they get bought out by somebody overseas. That, that those days are over. Pat Riley used to say, after 10 years, people just, they just don't hear your voice. Andy Reid, do you think he go look at Andy Reid's career elevated, leaving a great franchise and going to another one?
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Joy Taylor
Well, I don't know that it was his choice to leave.
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Colin Cowherd
What I'm saying is you can look at it and say, oh, I, I don't know. I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I'm starting to wonder when Kyle Shanahan. You think I'm crazy on this? Everybody loves Kyle. I'm seeing the same results at the end of the year. If McCaffrey doesn't play, they don't win.
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Joy Taylor
You want me to be honest or be a good teammate and be like, hey, okay, okay, which one do you want?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I just, I'd rather you always be authentic.
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Joy Taylor
Okay. This, the, the runoff, Tomlin stuff, just. That's silly.
- [37:08]
Colin Cowherd
Come on.
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Joy Taylor
They're now get. I don't care if they lose. 44.
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Colin Cowherd
0.
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Joy Taylor
There's you're not moving off Tomlin. Dude, he is the Steelers franchise. You think Steelers, you think Mike Tomlin? Tough, awesome, relevant every year.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, come on, Joe Montana was the Niners franchise.
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Joy Taylor
He had injuries and they had a guy waiting in the wings. Who you replacing Tomlin with? If you want to present to me a guy, this is the future of the Steelers. He's our next decade guy. And then I would at least listen. But you can't just get rid of Thomas. The market's bare. Look at who's out there. You see what the Bears are looking at? What, 13 dudes. Like jokers. I mean, Drew Petzig, Come on. Do you want the Steelers to be interviewing, you know, Joey bag of donuts like that next week?
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Nick Wright
Week?
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Joy Taylor
Because you ran off Tomlin.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not saying you run Tomlin off. Tennessee just ran their GM off after 15 minutes.
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Joy Taylor
We'll get to that in the final hour. Let's save your good material for that. So some Steelers playoff failures. Notes from our staff here. They've lost five straight playoff games. They trail by 20 or more in each of them.
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Colin Cowherd
Read that again for the audience. Read that again.
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Joy Taylor
Five straight playoff games.
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Colin Cowherd
They lost the Steelers.
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Joy Taylor
And in each of the games they trailed by 20 or more.
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Colin Cowherd
And you think it's crazy to suggest it may be time.
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Joy Taylor
Well, the fact that they're he's getting them to the playoffs where they're facing the creme de la creme. Like, listen, that's impressive that you're getting there.
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Colin Cowherd
You've trailed in all of those playoff games by 20 points. Yeah. But you're facing Baker Mayfield.
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Joy Taylor
Good. Wow. That game was, I think that was the Ben Roethlisberger meltdown. But anyways, they are 3 and 8 over their last 13 postseasons and their wins are against Alex Smith, Matt Moore and, oh, my gosh, A.J.
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Bobby Bones
Mccarron.
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Joy Taylor
So it's been a minute. We'll just say that in a minute since they've done anything good in the postseason. Final story Colin to the NFC. Bucs host the Commander Sunday rematch of the week one matchup. Tampa. They blew out Washington 37, 20. But listen, that was Jaden's first game as a pro. Todd Bowles recognizes the differences ahead of the wild card matchup.
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Nick Wright
That was his first time starting. First game.
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Colin Cowherd
They're a lot different.
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Nick Wright
They're a lot better all the way around. You know, we're a different team and.
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Colin Cowherd
They'Re a different team. So it'll be a tough ball game. He can beat you a ton of ways. From the pocket, out of the pocket, with his leg, with his arm. They got a lot of characters around.
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Nick Wright
Him that can really play ball.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's going to be a tough game.
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Joy Taylor
I got nothing on this game yet. Do you have any cheddar?
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Colin Cowherd
I think Tampa feels like the side. I mean, now the number's three, so it's not as attractive, but Tampa has the ability there. I got a lot of experience in that building. I've got some. A lot of playoff experience. I mean, they've won that division, what, four years in a row? I got a lot of dudes that have played in a lot of big playoff games.
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Joy Taylor
I think Dan Quinn's been in some big ones.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but that roster, none of those. Those players haven't been curious if Marshawn.
- [39:58]
Joy Taylor
Lattimore is a go. He was picked up by Washington. Supposed to.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he gave Mike Evans trouble.
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Joy Taylor
He's got a history with Evans that would be huge if he could play. Last time we saw him, he was getting cooked by. I think it was Drake London on that. Remember that Falcons Washington game?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, cooked's a little strong, bro.
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Joy Taylor
He had like, three penalty. Three pass interference penalty. Should have been a fourth. I kind of want to take Washington. I need some more time on this one. It's a game. I don't feel.
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Colin Cowherd
That's how I feel about Rams. Vikings.
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Joy Taylor
Oh, stop. Come on. That's your layup of the week. Not quite free money, but I. I feel very good about the Rams getting points. Money lines. Yeah. You know, Nick made a rare good point when he said that, you know, you're blinded by Sam Darnold and you. You just can't see through it. You like him. You don't want him to lose and you want.
- [40:44]
Colin Cowherd
No, I don't want him. I don't want him to lose badly if he loses. 28 in place. Well, I'm good with it.
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Joy Taylor
You're fine?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I don't want him to stink. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie news, Mark Sanchez, last hour. And there I got to give a certain coach credit for just putting it out there. Whether I agree with him or not, he's putting it out there. That's next. Live in la, it's the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast, too. Oh, really? Thanks. Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply see capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC. Wasn't that delicious?
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Joy Taylor
So good.
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Colin Cowherd
Your bill, ladies. I got it. No, I got it. Seriously, I insist. I insisted first.
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Nick Wright
Don't be silly.
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Colin Cowherd
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Rock, paper, scissors. Shoot.
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
What will change look like for energy?
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Colin Cowherd
Drill baby. Drill schools. Take the Department of Education. Close it. Health care better and less expensive. Follow coverage of a changing country. Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on the NPR Politics podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joy Taylor
Sunday on Fox. After a historic season, Saquon Barkley and the Eagles begin their playoff run against against Jordan Love and the packers in a wild card matchup Sunday at 4 Eastern, 1 Pacific on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I don't think it's a terrible idea to have Rex Ryan be one of the final three or four candidates for the New York Jets. I don't think it's crazy he wouldn't be my first pick. But I think, I don't think it's crazy because it's a broken franchise and he is a culture changer. And I that's why I think variable to the Bears makes sense. I don't think the New England Patriots culture is broken. I just don't think Gerard Mayo, I thought he was over his skis. I don't think the culture's broken. There's a difference, you know, like, like right now, Tennessee needs, Tennessee needs a quarterback. I Brian Callahan to me, pretty interesting coach. And they got some personnel I like. They just don't have the right quarterback. Don't confuse those two. But Rex Ryan is putting his name out there for coach of the Jets. And just because I think it would be fascinating to have Alpha Rex Ryan, defensive guy who does not know how to handle quarterbacks and then Aaron Rodgers in the same building, I think it would be just. Again, it's hard knock start miking them up. Now here's Rex Ryan. Clearly when you have a guy that doesn't show up for mandatory minicamp and by the way, is your quarterback coming off an injury? I think that's an absolutely ridiculous message you sent to the team. If he comes back, things would be different. If he's back, it ain't going to be the, the, the country club, you know, show up whenever the hell you want to show up. That ain't going. That is a very popular populist message. Will be tough around here. And by the way, Dan Campbell had some of that stuff, although he didn't call out anybody individually, I don't think you want to call Aaron Rodgers out. Personally, I don't think that's the smartest thing to do. But Rex Ryan always leads with his chin. That's sort of who he is. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I. He got along with Woody Johnson, but I thought Nick Wright, I got to bring it back about 30 minutes ago. Had a funny reference on Rex Ryan potentially being the jets head coach again.
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Nick Wright
If Rex Ryan somehow talks his way into this job, it'll be an all time coup. I don't think it'll be a good decision, but I. You don't do politics on this show smartly and this isn't political. But I do want to give people, if they don't know it, a brief history lesson. Long time ago, back in gosh, the late 90s, when George W. Bush was running for president, he hired a guy to run a committee to figure out who his vice president should be. And Dick Cheney did a bunch of research then was like, you know what? After interviewing all the candidates, the best guy is me. And he ended up being vice president. It would appear that might be what Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are doing with the Jets. Tannenbaum gets hired to pick the next gm. I'm thinking Mike Tannenbaum's gonna have a list. At the top of the list is going to be Mike Tannenbaum and the coach that he had when he already was the gm, Rex Ryan.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I Mean, it's. I don't. Try not to confuse team that needs something with broken franchise. I never thought the Chargers were broken. They. I mean, they. They had the quarterback. You didn't have a meddling owner. You had the left tackle. You had nice weapons. You had a Boson Khalil Mack on the edge and a star in the backfield, Derwin James. They weren't broken. They'd been to the playoffs. They. One of the few organizations that always gets the quarterback right. Dan Fouts, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert. They weren't a broken franchise. The jets are broken. The Bears are broken. I think Tennessee and New England just needed. I think. I think New England needs a coach, and I think Tennessee needs a quarterback. So not all franchises that are bad. I thought the Houston Texans were broken, and they got CJ Stroud and they got Demigo Ryan. So I. They hit on both, we think. But it's funny. I was looking at the draft order just five minutes ago during the break. It is remarkable how often the same franchises draft at the top for our radio audience. I mean, I just read them in order. Titans, Browns, Giants, Patriots, Jags, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, Saints, Bears. It feels like. I mean, it's the same old. That's why I have this rule of seven in the NFL that at any one time, you have seven great owners, seven great coaches, seven great coordinators, seven great quarterbacks. That's it. You've got, like. It's always seven. There's always seven. In my entire life, there's been, like, right now, let's. Quarterbacks. Let's just take the seven. What we consider great coaches. Andy Reid, Shanahan McVeigh. Matt LaFleur's up there. Sean Payton's up there. You can throw it out.
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Joy Taylor
Mike Tomlin, he's got to be on there.
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Colin Cowherd
He may be seven. I'm trying to think of. Well, I mean, he has not again.
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Joy Taylor
Well, is McCarthy on there?
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Colin Cowherd
He won a Super Bowl, I don't think. McCarthy or Tomlin, I'm not sure if they're seven. They may be.
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Joy Taylor
Kevin O'Connell doesn't have a playoff, I think.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but I think I. You have to contextualize it. Barkley and Marino don't have trophies. They're great. Kevin O'Connell has won with everybody.
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Joy Taylor
Dan Campbell.
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Colin Cowherd
Very interesting. No, I have lafleur in there. Okay. Not Jim Harbaugh and John Harbaughs.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm talking great.
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Joy Taylor
Peyton.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I put him in there. So I said Andy Reid, McVeigh, Shanahan, I'm I'm putting LeFleur both Harbaughs. That didn't that give me seven. I'm talking great. Like I consider Sean Payton is the 7 8. It's the my whole life you've had about seven great everything.
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Joy Taylor
Your boy Nick Sirianni.
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Colin Cowherd
No. And I think Dan Campbell built a great staff. Is Dan Campbell a great head coach? McDermott. McDermott in Buffalo again. I think he's very good. I'm talking elite. I'm talking nobody questions it. I think he questioned a lot. All right, let's talk about Amazon Prime. It's not just one thing. It's a collection of services that help you get the most out of whatever you' whether it's a hobby, sport or getting things done fast. Prime's got you covered. Like my hobby for all things sports. You can order sports supplies, listen to content like this podcast on Amazon music or watch content. You can do it all with Prime. Everybody loves the fast, free same day shipping, especially as we kick off the year. But what about all the content you can listen to on Amazon music, music to podcast, fast shipping. What is not to love about this membership I'm in? Prime fuels your passions, makes everything easier. So whatever you're into, it's on Prime. Visit Amazon.comprime now banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about. In a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast too. Oh, really? Thanks, Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member fdic hey.
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Katie Couric
Everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch. Right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next Question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.