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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
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Joel Klatt
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Nick Wright
The Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Lately, on the NPR Politics podcast, we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Talking about a big question.
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Nick Wright
How much can one guy change?
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J. Mac
They want change.
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Nick Wright
What will change look like for energy?
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J. Mac
Drill baby Drill schools? Take the Department of Education.
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Colin Cowherd
Close it. Health care better and less expensive.
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Nick Wright
Follow coverage of a changing country.
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Colin Cowherd
Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.
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Nick Wright
The NPR Politics Podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also gonna have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're gonna take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. It's hour two. Joel Klatt, next hour. Nick Ryden, five minutes live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. You know, we're running out of football games now, J. Mac, after last night, tonight, Ohio State, Big Ten, Buckeyes national champs. We got three football games left. Three. That's it. That's it.
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J. Mac
College basketball to bet on tonight. You want my. Want my play?
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Colin Cowherd
No, you got. Let me get. Creighton in the points.
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J. Mac
No.
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Colin Cowherd
Xavier minus four.
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J. Mac
Now you're warm. Duquesne plus three.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, Duquesne.
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J. Mac
I don't know how you missed that one on the board.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I can barely spell Duquesne.
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J. Mac
Not quite a layup, but it's. It's college hoops and there's sports to watch.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, so I guess. I mean, don't hold me to it, but I think this is the final herd hierarchy for some time. We'll do them later, after free agency, after the coaching hires, after the draft. But I think this is going to be our last one for a while. And here we go on a Tuesday. Herd hierarchy time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Yes. We're going to start with eight. We've only got eight that are worthy of it. The Houston Texans. They outgain the Chiefs by 124 yards and had seven more minutes of time of possession. But they're still a young team. They were God awful on special teams. They've lost five straight to the Chiefs. Welcome to everybody's world in the afc. And they weren't very good against playoff teams two and six. I feel like they're a little bit like the Green Bay packers or the Chargers. They just need another draft. Another six players should be very proud considering where this franchise was three years ago. They're in a really, really cool spot going forward. Texans at eight, number seven. The R.A. that defense. They're not even paying anybody yet. Watch out. They had 16 sacks in two playoff games. First team to have 10 plus players with a sack. And Jared Verse looks like it could be they have found their Lawrence Taylor. Maybe not Lawrence Taylor, but they're Lawrence Taylor. I don't know what they're going to do with Cooper cup long term. Matt Stafford. But you know what? Since joining the NFL, McVeigh is 19 and 4 in December. He does about as good a job as anybody not named Andy Reid figuring out the jigsaw puzzle of teams. Rams at Seven, number six, the Lions. In the end, they just weren't good enough defensively. And I think losing their coordinators when Dan Campbell's not a scheme guy could look like Philadelphia a couple years ago. They did lead the NFL in point differential and their O line and run game is just stuff for the record books. They're going to be good. Are they going to be great? Because that's what Buffalo's becoming in Kansas City has been and what Philadelphia could be. So I have Detroit at number six. Number five, the Ravens. The Ravens are the Bills two, three years ago where they'll outgain you out, wow you and turn the ball over. I mean, listen to this. Oh, and 12 all time in the playoffs when they lose the turnover battle and they keep losing it. They didn't have a punt and averaged seven and a half yards against the Bills and lost. This is what Buffalo did years ago until Buffalo figured out efficiency over flamboyant and fireworks. They do have the number one scoring defense. I love their coach. I love Lamar Jackson. Ravens at five.
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J. Mac
Number four.
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Colin Cowherd
I think the commanders are for real because I think Jaden Daniels, even better than Andrew Luck, is absolutely special. Led the NFL in touchdown passes with an average O line and one star receiver this year, more than Mahomes or Josh Allen or Stafford. That's insane. Highest passer rating by any quarterback. Remember last year when I picked him to make the playoffs and everybody said, well, there's too much change. And I said, yeah, they're getting rid of bad people, putting in good people. I don't care about change. If you're improving everywhere, everywhere you make change. This team, this is the worst roster Jaden Daniels is ever going to have. They got the most cap space along with New England. I think if they're up top of the league next year, near the top. So I think they're a real team. I think they can beat Philadelphia. Number three, the Eagles. Listen, they've won back to back playoff games throwing for under 125 yards. Their passing offense was 31st in the league. There's so much I like about Jalen. Hurts. I don't love him throwing from the pocket, but I love the receivers, the O line. They're just a very special team. They do things, they do things that bad teams do. They move off coaches. They're, you know, like sometimes they're active for the sake it feels like of being active. But I mean, they almost had as many rushing yards as the Rams had passing yards. I think it's the best roster in the NFL, I think it has been for the last couple of years. Philadelphia at three. Number two, Kansas City. I mean, and again, I say this with the best coach and the best quarterback on the planet. There's not much to say. But they've, They've won an NFL record 16 straight games, including the playoffs, with one score games. Because efficiency does have at some point limitations. Like eventually the, you know, the Patriots did get knocked off and lost Super Bowls a couple of times. The one team, the New York Giants, they were out first. Listen to this. First team in NFL history to be out game by 100 yards, create no turnovers and win a playoff game. So, I mean, part of me is like in awe of what they do. And then part of me is like, I think that works against everybody. Not name the Buffalo Bills number one. I think they're gonna win the Super Bowl. I think it's the best version. They're what the Ravens need to be efficient. They do not give up sacks. They don't get penalized. They don't turn it over. They can beat you with Davis or Cook, the running back. They've got two tight ends. They've got three wide receivers. I think their O lines the most underrated in the league. Maybe not Philly or Detroit, but really, I think this is the year now. I don't necessarily think it's going to be the year and then another year and then another year. I don't, I don't know if that's it, but this is really. They're the Chiefs without the trophies, front office ownership, quarterback. And I thought Sean McDermott, for all the criticism we have to be fair in this business. I thought he had a great weekend from the first series on. I thought Sean McDermott had an Andy Reid like game plan. They changed in the game, saw that Baltimore was a little squirrely, didn't have zay flowers. We don't have to take big swings. Let's just be smart, convert key plays. And there is my top eight. I said before, whoever wins the AFC is winning the Super Bowl. In my opinion, that's how it's gonna work. And with that, Nick Wright joins us. You know, you've grew up in Kansas City and lived in Houston. It's funny about perception. Like Houston should be overjoy. I know they're disappointed, but where they were three years ago, they should be overjoyed. And yet I think Detroit wakes up this morning and goes, what are we? I, the Lions worry me, Nick, because like the Eagles, if they lose those two coordinators, every Year, a great team regresses. I look at the Lions and wonder, Dan Campbell's culture thing may have a ceiling here. Anything that worries you on that list?
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Joel Klatt
Oh, well, I mean, worries me on the list. I mean, you have the two time defending champion, one seed that's undefeated is in the playoffs against the Bills, behind the Bills. But we can address that in a moment. As far as concerns about the Lions. Yeah, I listen, I don't want to panic, but I also don't want to underreact. I think it would probably be a good bet to say in five years are we going to look back and say, oh, damn, their best chance was in 2023 and 2024.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Joel Klatt
In 2023 when they have a two score lead in the NFC championship game and then in 2024 when they're playing a rookie at home in their building. And the defense, there's nothing you can do about the defensive injuries. That's bad luck and that's the cruelty of the NFL. You can maybe ask your coordinator who's now the head coach of the Bears. You know, the player who in his brief NFL career has been suspended twice and about an hour ago had, let's call it a colorful erotic celebration in the end zone. Yeah, let's not trust his judgment to throw the biggest pass of our season. And maybe, maybe let's put the ball in some more trustworthy hands. The problem is the trustworthy hands are Jared Goff's tiny hands. And he had a brutal game. And you wonder how much that's going to haunt him moving forward. I do think the Lions are excellent and the injuries is mostly what killed them. But the reality in this league is very simple. If you don't have a superhero at quarterback, everything's got to go perfect. You can win, but everything's got to go perfect. The, the Lions have a great civilian at quarterback, not a superhero. And when things get a little askew and he needs to carry you, he had his worst game in the worst moment. So I'm not like selling my lion stock, but I wouldn't buy any more of it either.
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Colin Cowherd
So I defended again. I know I'm a Lamar apologist, but on the interception, Bateman. Bateman stopped running. Mark Andrews dropped a two point conversion. Mark Andrews fumbled and on the snap, Lamar fumbled. He had to be Superman to save it. I'm not saying he was great, but I'm saying he continues to go into these playoff games. They have no number one receivers. A Flowers didn't play. Mark Andrews had his worst day.
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Joel Klatt
I Listened to you all year talk about how complete the team is. This is the. I am not going to allow this to happen everywhere because all year long it's the same song and dance. Two years in a row. The Ravens are the best team. DVOA says they're one of the 10 best teams ever. Forget the fact that they lost five times. No, no, no. They're coming together at the right time. Also have to hear this. Look at the numbers. Lamar is the mvp. Look at how four picks all year and if you watch the tape on them, none of them were his fault. They were all good passes. That's the narrative going into the playoffs. Then the playoff loss happens and it's like, man, that roster wasn't that good. And why didn't they let Derrick Henry run the ball that much? Why did they put the ball in the hands of the league mvp? We can't do it. I'm not going to kill Lamar of his. He was very good in the second half and almost pulled it out of the fire. Now the Mark Andrews drop. Colin, if we are being fair because we're all gamblers here. If he had caught that two point conversion, the Bills would have been live betting still like minus 400 to win the game. Do the math on it because it would have been Bills ball, tie game, minute 33 left. The Ravens would have had with two timeouts the Ravens would have had to get the stop and then also win in overtime. So even with the Mark Andrews, if he catches it, the Ravens are big dogs. And they're big dogs because a player who did not have a single multi turnover game all year turn the ball over twice in the first half. We can blame Rashad Bateman for a pass. You know who doesn't? Lamar Jackson, who said it flatly. I didn't look the safety off overthrew the ball. You might be right. The snap was bad. He had recovered from that and then set the ball on the ground. We are now eight career playoff games. Four times he has multiple turnovers. That's half 94 career regular season games. 14 times he has multiple turnovers. That'S 15% in Colin. It is. You were right on the Peyton Manning comparison. Which is why I do think eventually Lamar will win a Super Bowl. What I don't think is right is that when, when we were in the midst of this with Peyton Manning, everyone was killing him. Everyone's like how can you be the best player in the league in the regular season and then consistently not good in the playoffs? And with Lamar Jackson, everyone's like, man, he tried so hard and he wants it so bad. It's patronizing to the player. And so no, I don't, I don't buy this. And the number of people who yelled at me all year, he's the league mvp and then got on TV Monday and they're like, why'd they give Lamar the ball so much? Derrick Henry's right there. Well, then maybe he's the league mvp. I don't know. But we'll do it again next year. Lamar can win all the MVPs, get all the first team, all pros, and then everyone can in the playoffs be like, who could have seen that coming? I mean, I don't know. I just don't buy it. Great player struggles in the biggest moments.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's talk Jaden Daniels. I think Washington can win. Andrew Luck is the best. I remember Elway. I'm old enough to remember Elway's rookie year, kind of. He played about three quarters of the games. He had like double the picks as he did touchdowns. And he's an all timer. Could have played baseball or football. And then I watched Andrew Lucky, who threw a lot of picks, but boy, he was good with a bad team. Well, I, I would argue though, the commander's team is closer to Andrew Lux than it is any of these, like playoff teams that he's playing against. He was the best fourth quarter quarterback. I think we're seeing one of the great quarterbacks. I don't think it took long. In fact, there were practices with Patrick Mahomes his rookie year. There were practices that video got out and people were like, you're not going to believe it. There was discussions about Lamar as a rookie. You're like, yeah, we can't tackle him in practice. Herbert's first game. Joe Burrow with a horrible offensive line. Year one. I don't think it's a fluke. I think Jaden Daniels. I think we're looking at like 70% Mahomes, 25% Lamar. I, I think it's different. His decision making makes no sense. I mean, Dan Quinn's a good coach. He's not Andy Reid. Cliff Kingsbury is a good coordinator. Was he McVeigh? I. You think I'm crazy. I think the best quarterbacks in the league are. I don't think you're Mahomes, Allen Burrow. I'd put Lamar four. I'm not so sure. Jaden Daniels isn't five. And I don't think I'm overreaching.
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Joel Klatt
So I don't. So here's the thing. I don't think you're overreaching either. The only pump the brakes piece of this is there was a little bit of this with CJ after the playoffs last year. There was even a little bit of this with Jordan Love after the playoffs last year. I think they both regressed a bit this year. Jaden though has had a better season and playoff run than either of those players. It's the greatest rookie season ever. I've been skeptical of Jaden's ability to stay healthy. Same because of his frame and his play style.
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Colin Cowherd
Same thing.
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Joel Klatt
But that's a different discussion, right. That is a totally different discussion than how good he is right now. I by the way, I totally despite everything I said about Lamar, he's consensus no doubt a top five quarterback. In fact there are four consensus no doubt top five quarterbacks. You listed them. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow. Lamar at number five though there's about six guys who people could make an argument for.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Joel Klatt
There's an argument for Justin Herbert if we pretend the playoffs don't exist. There's an argument for my guy Baker Mayfield. There's an argument for Matt Stafford, who is who I would have had there. Some people would say Dak when he's healthy. Some people had been arguing Brock Purdy until this year happened. It's and I'm, you know, Jordan Love, C.J. stroud. There's seven guys you could argue go there. I totally agree with you, Colin. He now has as strong of an argument as anybody. Like I don't know definitively who the fifth best quarterback in the league is.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
But I do know that if somebody says it's Jaden Daniels, the really only argument against it is he hasn't done enough yet. But what he's been allowed to do, which is only play this one year, he continues to exceed expectations. No. So I don't think you're like who I think I would say Stafford is fifth.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
But Stafford's also turning 37 and you know, maybe the best footballs behind him. I don't know. It's open for him. That's for darn sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean we said that about C.J. stroud, but C.J. stroud wasn't hyper mobile. He was a pure pocket guy. His comp was golf. This kid give. And we all said this coming in. I watched a ton of his college. There was a lot of Lamar here, but not Lamar. So he got seduced by running. He's still a pocket guy. So he's better than Lamar. As A rookie from the pocket and I'll be honest with you, he's more athletic than Mahomes running may not be him the thrower, but I don't know. I, I see a lot of Lamar, I see a lot of Mahomes. Finally though. So we both love Chicago and our friend Danny Parkins and I had said quarterbacks and coordinators, it kind of depends where you land and the Bears are a gravel road with politics and potholes everywhere and he just came from Detroit and Dan Campbell helped make that with the O line and running game a paved road. I don't know if it's going to be LaFleur or Adam Gase. What is your guess with Ben Johnson and the Bears? What's it closer to?
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Joel Klatt
Well, listen, I think it's the best hire they could have made. I support it 100%. You have talked about this extensively. I agree with you. If you have an established veteran quarterback and you need a head coach, then maybe adding culture guy like a variable or Harbaugh who I know is an offensive mind but he's more about, you know, culture. When you have Herbert already there, fine. If you have a young quarterback that you're hoping will be a superstar, the best case scenario is pairing him with an offensive minded head coach so you don't have to go on the rolling wheel of oh we lost our offensive coordinator. Like everything we just said about Jaden, I don't think it's going to happen. But what happens if Cliff Kingsbury does such a good job, he gets a head coaching job and now Jaden's with a new offensive coordinator that's potentially problematic. You worry about that a little bit with CJ in Houston as well with the defensive minded head coach. So I agree with the higher but I'm really glad you premised it or prefaced it with lafleur Gase meaning there are a lot more examples of the young offensive first time head coach whiz kid not working. Oh yeah, then there are oh it's a home run, right? The home runs are recent post McVeigh are the only real home runs are McVeigh and Kevin O'Connell. And listen, I love Kevin O'Connell but he's yet to win a playoff game even though you know they've been at home in both of them. And LaFleur, nobody probably has benefited from the playoffs expanding to seven seeds more from six more than LaFleur because last three years were missed the playoffs seven seed, seven seed and again I think those are great head coaches. Those are the successes, the failures are, you know, a dozen names. And so anyone acting like this is a sure thing, I think is foolish. But it's a bet, and I think it's a smart bet. And one thing you've been, I think, correct on is the Bears attachment to the 85 bears and that we want to be defense and we want, you know, it's 40 years ago this, to me, signals they are okay, maybe moving past that. You know what I mean? We're going offense, we're going young, we're going smart. And now there is huge expectation. Colin on Caleb. Like the. There is part of me whenever I watch Jaden Daniels, I get a little, you know, choked up because I'm like, this is the life that I saw Caleb living, taking the world by storm. And by the way, sidebar, how much credit do I get for the take that it's going to be in the Super Bowl? Chiefs against a rookie quarterback from the NFC? I mean, I'm like 95% right now. I said it was going to be against Caleb, but I mean, I just got one door down from the greatest take of the year, if it's chief. It was Chiefs against Jaden Daniels. I said the number one pick is number two pick, basically the best prediction of the season. But that's the year I thought Caleb could have this year, the one Jaden's having. So the expectations are now ratcheted because some from his own draft class crushed it and they got the right head coach.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so I got to get. We got about two minutes left. And I got to ask you, I defended the officiating with Kansas City. First of all, it's not challengeable. They tried it with PI. It didn't work. It's not challengeable. Second, Dwayne Wade, James Harden, a lot of the great players, Mahomes, they sell it. That's called manipulation. It's called leverage. I. I'm not going to. The other thing is, when the Will Anderson hit came, my take is I looked at it and I went, oh, that's headlining that.
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Joel Klatt
So thank you.
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Colin Cowherd
That's what I said.
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Joel Klatt
I know we don't have a lot of time. Yeah, the Will Anderson hit. Everyone, that's being honest, you can hate this, but on the TV copy, in real time, it's like, oh, yeah, he cracked him in the head.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
And then they show the first replay. Watch Mahomes here.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
And you're saying you watch that on TV and you weren't like, oh, that's high. And then you see that, which is what the ref saw. You're like, oh, that's high.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
Then you see this and you're like, oh, that's high. It's only this angle. And I don't even know if they're going to show it. The side one where you're like, oh, no. It was more glancing blow.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Joel Klatt
And so that is. You can hate that call. That call gets made for every quarterback, certainly every Pro bowl, much less star quarterback. Yeah, go ahead.
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Colin Cowherd
We went to the rule book yesterday. The rule.
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Joel Klatt
That was a. That's the right call.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. The rule says to officials, when in doubt, call it like in baseball.
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Joel Klatt
And by the way, and listen, I love Buck and Aikman. I love them. But what they missed on this was that one was reviewed by New York, and New York didn't overturn it because there was some albeit marginal, contact from the helmet to Mahomes face mask. So that call, if you hate that call, then you hate the rule. The other one was a bad call. I'm not denying it was a bad call. And Mahomes baited him into it. And we can, if we want to penalize quarterbacks, take their protections away when they bait them into it, that's fine. But let me just finish real quick and then go.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't like the side.
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Joel Klatt
They don't.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't like the sideline stuff with Mahomes, though, neither. He's got to get out of that. The league's got to change that.
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Joel Klatt
So. So two points because you're so. First of all, this one here, this is why everyone's lost their mind. They're totally right. He was trying to bait him and he flopped. No penalty was called.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Joel Klatt
Everyone's like, oh, my God, there was no penalty. Everyone's mad at an idea that it could have happened. The one, the bad call that we didn't show when he's running around and slides late. I think it's dangerous. I don't like it. I think it's taking advantage of the rules. I get all that. Also, if they don't call this penalty, look, it's first and ten. Colin, he runs five yards. Oh, my God. The Chiefs would have been backed all the way up to second and five. Shut up. You know why the Texans lost? Because they scored one touchdown in a playoff game at Arrowhead. And they had one of the worst special team performances in modern NFL history. That's why they lost? Because their vaunted defensive line got three sacks while the Chiefs defensive line got eight all the whining and Will Anderson saying, oh yeah, we knew going into the game it was going to be up against the refs, then don't have. The first time you hit the quarterback, you hit him in the neck. And if you know it's going to be you against the refs, maybe aim for the chest so everyone can keep their complaining. There was one awful call in the NFL playoffs. Game changing call. The DPI against Baltimore at the end of the first half. Yeah, nobody cares because nobody actually cares about bad officiating. They only care about trying to find a reason that the league, by the way, and sorry I'm late, but you put me on this, this idea that it's rigged. Guys, you do understand the league is the 32 owners. So the 31 other owners are like, damn, I guess we're rigging it for Kansas City again. You don't think McNair in Houston is like, hey guys, I don't want to rig it for the Chiefs. And they're like, shut up, doesn't matter, you know, so ridiculous. Thank you for bringing that up.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah. You know your tent. Had to. We had to. We had needed an exclamation point with your rants today. And that was it, buddy. Good seeing you.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, yeah. See you. By.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Nick Wright. First things first. It is funny, the first one looked like it and the sideline stuff they got to get rid of. But there was no penalty like so everybody's furious. There was no flag on the play. And I always think this when people think, ah, the sports rigged. Wouldn't you rig it for New York, LA and Chicago teams? Wouldn't you rig it for the Cowboys or the Steelers?
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J. Mac
No, you'd rig it for the team that has Taylor Swift and Caitlin Clark in the box. That's who you'd rig it for. Nobody thinks it's rigged, but.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, no, I think that. I think there's a bunch of.
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J. Mac
There's a bunch of yahoos on the Internet who believe the earth is flat too. So, I mean, what do you want? However, let's be real. I. I gave you the numbers yesterday and I know it triggered a lot of Chiefs fans. In the last 10 Chiefs playoff games, nine of them, the opponent has had more penalties than more penalty yards. I know. Let me guess, it's just discipline and coaching.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
In every single game.
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Colin Cowherd
Time out for years, during the Patriots run for a decade, they never fumbled.
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J. Mac
That's just luck.
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Colin Cowherd
No, luck is winning the Powerball if you want it 10 years in a row. You got a scheme, you got it. The Patriots forever never fumbled. Why? Because they were so glass Edelman. Because they determined that turnovers were winning and losing games. And so I do think there are teams that do better with ball security. Buffalo in the last two years has literally changed as a franchise. Their ball security issues are all gone.
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J. Mac
I understand your defense of this, but you do realize that 99% of America is rooting against the Chiefs because they're watching the same games we are. And seeing that Casey and Kansas City gets seemingly every flag in every high leverage spot. Go to the Bengals game this season, Colin. You know, I mean 4th and 16, you get this phantom flag. It's like what the hell is going on here? That's why America is rooting for Buffalo and Josh Allen this weekend. I know you are too. You're rooting.
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Colin Cowherd
But I don't root. I don't. I don't do that. I am America.
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J. Mac
You're above rooting.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm America's honesty broker. I can't be out there pom pom in it. That's not. I can't do that. May the best team win.
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J. Mac
How about this? Can we ask Fox to get us some Buffalo Bills jerseys for Monday?
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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J. Mac
When they, when the Bills win and we. I'll wear Thurman Thomas.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
The playoff Ohio State, the Big Ten supremacy back to back years and the buckeyes are favored again next year. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
All right, Colin, let's get started with Travis Kelce. Let's go back to the Kansas City Chiefs, everybody's least favorite team. You know Kelsey had a rough season, Colin, let's be real. But he was big in the division, around 117 yards and a touchdown. The media asked Andy Reid about the type of energy Travis Kelce brings to regardless of his production.
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Colin Cowherd
It's that positive mindset that you can do anything. And I think he does a great, he does a great job with that.
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Joel Klatt
At his age.
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Colin Cowherd
He goes out there every day and practices art and if you try to take him out, he gets mad at you. So I think that's a special thing for an older player. I mean there is a common thread among great athletes is the ones that are highly competitive. They were talking about that with Riley Leonard last night. They're like the kid just is throwing up on the sidelines. And I think Kelce has that ability that as he's gotten a little rickety and older. Very much Gronk, red lights on. He's money and he's always open. He just, he is a manipulator of defense.
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J. Mac
I'm almost certain he didn't play in the regular season finale. His last game was Christmas. So by the time this Bills Chiefs rolls around, Kelsey will have played one game in a month. He's gonna be fresh. Go be like a spring chicken out there at Arrowhead. Young Travis Kelce. That's a problem for Buffalo, which really doesn't defend the middle of the field well. And we got Kelsey's playoff career numbers. I mean these are staggering. Colin, he's one of the best tight ends in the history of the sport.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I think, look at these numbers. I mean I think there's four. Four great tight ends ever. Kellen, Winslow, Gronk, Kelsey, Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez up there too. Maybe five that feel different. I mean he's. There's listen and what's great about it is George Kittle was a middle round draft pick and Travis Kelsey was a middle own. Antonio Gates wasn't drafted. It's very interesting position because you have a defensive end body but you can catch. And for years and years the NFL did not know what to do with tight end. I mean they're still wildly underpaid. We all know running backs are underpaid. The problem is the good tight ends like Brock Bowers. You can put them outside and have them be receivers and they're paid like tight ends. And we're getting these bigger, stronger athletes who are 6, 5, 6, 6, 248, and they run and you're like, okay. They've become incredible weapons. Over the course of my life, running backs and receivers and quarterbacks have always mattered. Left tackles have always been important. So are pass rushers. The smart coaches know how to use the tight end. And Andy Reid's an expert.
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J. Mac
It's going to be interesting. What do the Bills do? Because Bernard had that huge strip of Mark Andrews. Do you try to match up Bernard with Kelsey? Bernard's pretty damn good. I know he hasn't had amazing season, but he's talented. And that leaves Milano to spy Mahomes, because you know Mahomes with all these cheap runs that he does and picking up 15 yards, you know, cheap runs. Well, you know, it's like the backyard football. And Mahomes, next thing you know, he's got 25 yards.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they count.
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J. Mac
They do count.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
I mean, but he does it often. It's smart football. He's. He's great. I'm not knocking him by saying cheap runs, but you got to spy Mahomes, right?
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Colin Cowherd
You have to. I don't feel that. I think Patrick runs often in the second half when he has to. If you go watch first half on script, he doesn't like. He doesn't run much.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And then second half, he'll run, but I. Josh Allen runs the idea.
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J. Mac
Those are different runs, though. Josh Allen's running you over. Mahomes is just running and then trying to draw a flag. Anyway, so the Buffalo Bills pass rush, Russo, Von Miller, Epinza, like, they're built to take down these Chiefs. I mean, Houston had. How many sacks was it? Three, four sacks against Mahomes. I think this Buffalo team's gonna be live. I'm worried about the secondary injuries, though. We're gonna have to wait to see what happens at practice with rap. And.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Kansas City's about 1o line injury from being in trouble, so both teams cross your fingers in different units.
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J. Mac
I got a men's league game Sunday. Do I have to skip that to watch it?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, good idea.
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J. Mac
Next story is Matt Stafford's future. We talked about it yesterday. Well, what about Cooper Cup? Colin, what do you think happens with Cooper Cup? Remember, there was some trade speculation.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Earlier this season. He has two years left on his deal. Production has dipped considerably over the last few years. He's a triple Crown winner in 2021.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a big dead cap hit. So they would like to get one more great year out of him. They're going to draft another receiver to go with Puka. They're very Puka dominant.
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J. Mac
Cup spoke about his uncertainty. I don't have any clarity on what.
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Colin Cowherd
That'S going to look like or anything like that. So yeah, obviously would love to be in la, but I don't know what the, you know what that. Do I want to play next year.
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Joel Klatt
Oh yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
No, yeah. There's no doubt in my mind I want to play football. I feel like a lot of good football left me.
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Joel Klatt
So no, I definitely will be playing.
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Colin Cowherd
I will be playing football next year. Yeah. Off a bye early in the season. It's just, I don't know if it's degenerative. He, you know, the lower part of his body is breaking down. I still think he can be big. He's not separating like remember he used to be always open. Yeah, constantly. He's not anymore.
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J. Mac
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
So I think could he have a career like Travis Kelce where he's like your number three receiver in the regular season but then in the big games you use him. Could he become that? But he's very expensive and he's, he is regressed pretty quickly.
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J. Mac
So you did hear I would love to be in la. You heard that from him, right?
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think if I'm the Chargers, that's the answer.
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J. Mac
I'm not saying the answer but if you can grab. If the Rams cut him loose.
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Colin Cowherd
He's very expensive. He is.
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J. Mac
Cut him loose and take the dead cap or whatever it is. I mean the Chargers should definitely. It's a grown up, a leader knows what it's like to get to a Super Bowl. I mean why can't he have a late career surge like Adam Thielen in Carolina? Sorry for the white on white comparison, but Adam Thielen has still done well. Remember, everybody thought he was washed after Minnesota. He's been pretty good in Carolina. Cooper cup can be fine for Justin Herbert.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean the Rams like him but they've clearly, if you watch the games.
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J. Mac
Yeah, he's diminished.
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Colin Cowherd
He's the two.
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J. Mac
All right, final story is to the NBA folks. The warriors played The Celtics on MLK Day yesterday and Golden State suffered a 40 point blowout loss. The worst in the Steve Kerr era. Draymond Green is out for at least another week with a calf strain. Jonathan Kuminga out the next three weeks. Pods has an abduction abdomen injury. Golden State. Remember how they had that hot start 12, three cowherd, he was all excited for the warriors, they have gone 9 and 18 since.
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Colin Cowherd
Here's the thing.
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J. Mac
This is.
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Colin Cowherd
They don't want to. They didn't want Jimmy Butler. My take is, who are we fooling here? You need another star and you don't have it. Take a swing.
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J. Mac
You know, you swing now or in the off season.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think there's a swing to be had now.
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J. Mac
Well, Jimmy Butler, I mean, it's Jimmy Butler. Facilitate a trade for him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I just think you've been trying to kind of fake it the last couple years. And you have your moments in your halves, in your games. They do when they're rested and feel right. But who we kidding here, by the way? The warriors and the Niners had about a six year run. Niners didn't get a trophy. Warriors, they had about a six to eight year run where you were like, wow, this is really special. And they both got old and a little brittle and a little untalented very quickly.
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J. Mac
I don't think the 49ers run is definitely dead. Let's see what happens this off season with Birdie and all these high price guys. It feels like the warriors run is over. And I. Oh, it is over. This is my hot. Take that. You know, Steph Curry, they missed the playoffs. He can be like, guys, I'm still one of the best players, one of the 10 best players in the league. Guys, I don't care what you say.
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Colin Cowherd
There's no question. If you really want to do it, you move Steph and you could get. You could absolutely get a.
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J. Mac
Here's the thing. Do you want that on your tombstone? The guy who traded Steph Curry out of, you know, the greatest dynasty he's ever seen.
- [42:47]
Colin Cowherd
Pat Riley is the guy that let LeBron go. He's gonna have. He's just fine.
- [42:52]
J. Mac
Well, no, LeBron kind of decided that on his. He's like, I'm not coming back.
- [42:55]
Colin Cowherd
But will you go to Curry and say, where do you want to go?
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J. Mac
I think that's probably a discussion now. Curry's too nice of a guy. He's really embedded in the community. I don't see him asking out.
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Colin Cowherd
But you know what, I wonder if.
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J. Mac
At some point he's like, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me tell you something. These old athletes are like old talk show hosts. You poke them in the ribs and they're not your friend anymore. And so my take is, what's going on here, Capper? The point is, with Curry, if he came up to him and said, listen, we're considering trading you and may take him off and he may just say.
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J. Mac
They'Re not sending him to Siberia. You, you know he's gonna go.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no.
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J. Mac
He could compete.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, if the Yankees, Jeter's a good guy. If the Yankees, three years before he retired, said we can get a haul for you, Jeter wouldn't have been the captain of New York long.
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J. Mac
They were competing, though was still near the end of Jeter's career. They were a playoff team every year. I don't even know if the warriors are playing team right now. I'm dead serious.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they're not. And in the last and that's not right for Curry.
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J. Mac
I Is there any way on earth the Lakers could get him? Any shot, anything that's not nailed down, just give it up for Kurt. And then you get LeBron and Curry, you get a ratings bump, you get excitement, you get you and I in the stands. I'm going to see that show J.
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Colin Cowherd
Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie sometimes, folks, I just like to throw stuff out there to get J. Mac worked up. Back in a second. Live in la, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right?
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Joel Klatt
So check us out.
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Colin Cowherd
We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Could Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcasts. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and rich. You can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile, keep your phone and they'll pay it off. Up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com heap and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months.
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Nick Wright
Lately on the NPR Politics podcast, we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Talking about a big question.
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Nick Wright
How much can one guy change?
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J. Mac
They want change.
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Nick Wright
What will change look like for energy?
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Colin Cowherd
Drill baby. Drill schools.
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J. Mac
Take the Department of Education.
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Colin Cowherd
Close it. Health care better and less expensive.
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Nick Wright
Follow coverage of a changing country.
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Colin Cowherd
Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.
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Nick Wright
The NPR Politics podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch and I'm exhausted, but turns out the end is near. Right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next question. This podcast is for people like me who need a little perspective and insight. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Van Jones, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun, even though these days fun and politics seems like an oxymoron. But we'll do that thanks to some of my friends like Samantha bee, Roy Wood Jr. And Charlamagne tha God. We're gonna take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Power to the podcast for the people. So whether you're obsessed with the news or just trying to figure out what's going on, this season of Next Question is for you. Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie couric, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joel Klatt
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Colin Cowherd
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Joel Klatt
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Colin Cowherd
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Joel Klatt
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J. Mac
It's going down live in the Big Easy. Carissa and Gronk host the country's biggest super bowl party with a performance by Jean Baptiste and a special appearance by Gordon Ramsay. The Super Bowl 59 pregame show, February 9th on Fox and streaming free on Tubicle.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I didn't get an invitation.
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J. Mac
I got one. No, I can't attend, unfortunately. I gotta coach a youth basketball game back.
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Colin Cowherd
You're passing up that from youth basketball?
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J. Mac
You got to be a part of a community and, you know, help be around your kids.
- [49:06]
Colin Cowherd
I am.
- [49:06]
J. Mac
Didn't you tell me the kids don't want to hang out with you once they get older? So I'm. I'm taking the opportunity to do it now.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. You know, it's funny about this whole Chiefs thing. The Houston Texans allowed eight sacks and had the worst special teams playoff performance ever. And it's the refs. Come on. Just. Just let be honest, everybody. You don't like the Chiefs winning? I mean, what's funny is there were three plays that drove you crazy. The Will Anderson hit. For the record, refs get one shot to see it in real time, and they've been instructed, call it. In baseball, Ty goes to the runner. In football, tie goes to the quarterback. You have to call that. You're instructed to call it if you can't tell. And the first time I saw it, I thought, that's a. That's a. That's a headshot. That's. That's not rigged. The second one is when the guy's helmets collide. I get that. Works everybody up, but again, you can't tell, and they've been instructed. And the third one that drives you crazy is running out of bounds. You know how Mahomes does that? So this one right here, again, it. It looked really close. You're instructed. Call it. That's why being a pocket quarterback sometimes is a disadvantage. Mobile quarterbacks put themselves in better spots to get the call. And this third one drove people crazy, folks. There was no flag. There was no flag for it. You don't like the optics the aesthetics, no flag. So it's a, it's much to do about nothing. And I told a friend who loves the Texans, I said, if I would have told you going into the game as a Texans fan, you're going to allow eight sacks and have the worst special teams performance in playoff history. Does that sound like you'd beat Andy Reid off a buy in Arrowhead? Will Anderson walked back. You know, they were all worked up in Houston, but Will Anderson kind of walked it all back a little bit.
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J. Mac
I'm not the type of chase calls.
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Colin Cowherd
The NFL can do whatever they need.
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J. Mac
To do for the thing. I feel like as a player, you just have to keep playing. Some calls were, you know, in my opinion, could have been better calls. And that's okay.
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Joel Klatt
That's my opinion.
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J. Mac
But at the end of the day, it's about us. We have to do a better job of executing. We have to do a better job of going out there and being ready.
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Colin Cowherd
And no matter what the outcome is.
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J. Mac
We have to do a better job of handling Texas business on both sides of the ball.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, you miss two field goals, give up a big kickoff, you miss an extra point, not beating my homes. And Andy read it. Arrowhead off a buy. It's just not going to work that way. Yeah, you let Travis Kelsey play flag football in the middle of the field. Hey, I'm open. Nobody's covering me. For the fourth time, what do you expect? All right, Joel Klatz coming by, Voice of the Big Ten at Fox, the new best conference. Whether you're ordering wings for the game, whipping up a seven layer dip, or ordering pizza, there's something about football that makes me want to eat. And this football season, Uber Eats has the best deals for me on game day. Food, no matter what I'm craving. From two for one pizza. To buy one, get one Wings. Uber Eats will be dropping new deals each week all season long. I'm in. Uber Eats, the official official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now for game day. Terms and conditions apply. See app for details.
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Nick Wright
Lately on the NPR Politics podcast, we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Talking about a big question.
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Nick Wright
How much can one guy change?
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J. Mac
They want change.
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Nick Wright
What will change look like for energy?
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J. Mac
Drill baby Drill schools. Take the Department of Education.
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Colin Cowherd
Close it. Health care better and less expensive.
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Nick Wright
Follow coverage of a changing country.
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Colin Cowherd
Promises made, promises kept.
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Nick Wright
We're gonna keep our promises on the NPR Politics podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch right in time for a new season of my podcast Next Question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Joel, the holidays are a blast, but the financial hangover? That can be a huge bummer. If you are out there and you're dreading the new statement email that reveals the massive balance that you may have.
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Joel Klatt
Racked up, well, you could use our help.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Joel Klatt
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Colin Cowherd
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