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Greg Cosell (2:54)

Now, let's get this party started.

Colin Cowherd (2:56)

You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. All right, welcome in. Here we go, Hour two live in Los Angeles, the Hurt. Hey, Greg Cosell is going to join us in a couple of minutes here. Joel Klatt, last hour is going to join us. I was just telling J. Mac, I don't have an addictive personality, but I don't have a coffee maker. I have, I have an espresso machine and I'm not a latte guy because I don't like any milk. And so on Christmas, nothing's open. I won't be able to have a coffee. And I'm freaking out. I'm going to go buy a coffee maker just so I can have coffee on Christmas because it's the only thing in my life that I have to have. I have three coffees a day. Three. I just listened to a study. Oh, and it adds like eight years to your life.

Jason McIntyre (3:41)

Why don't you open it up to the social media guys and ask Joey Bag of Donuts on Twitter what he thinks about your coffee addiction. Since you value his opinion on the NBA so much, you should ask him about coffee. I mean, these guys know everything.

Colin Cowherd (3:53)

Have you ever, if you ever walked by a restaurant and it says under new ownership, and you walk by a restaurant and you're like, you know, I didn't like that restaurant, but I'm going to give it a shot. I do that all the time. Under new and you, it's a, it's a place that's frustrated you. It could be a dry cleaner. It could be a restaurant. And, and you, and you used to like it, but it got sideways. Why? Because the consumers want to be entertained and we want to be fed and we want to try new stuff. You just can't be rigid. And so I always, whenever I see a restaurant, like, I used to like it and now they have a new owner. And I'm like, oh, I want to try it. I'm excited. It's like baseball and I'm done with it. And all of a sudden, literally the first year, they sped the game up attendance and ratings 10% and by the way, I think they even sped it up more this year. The ratings went up again in Fox set records. The audience wants to love your product. If it fails, don't blame the audience, blame yourself. If my ratings tomorrow stink, it's not the audience, it's me.

Jason McIntyre (4:53)

I would say the cup final rating was awful because this guy named LeBron.

Colin Cowherd (4:57)

James was not playing well. You're still going to rely on LeBron? What is he, 60?

Jason McIntyre (5:01)

Well, that. Now that's a legitimate. I don't think these.

Colin Cowherd (5:05)

Let me ask you, do you have a league or a player?

Jason McIntyre (5:07)

You had the LeBron Curry thing. That's phasing out.

Colin Cowherd (5:10)

And you know Americans, it's been phasing for five years. And nice if you have the NFL loses Breeze, Manning and Brady, ratings are up because they have a league, not a play.

Jason McIntyre (5:19)

Well, it's. It's a different sport. And the NBA has. Their European stars are coming over. The Americans are kind of sort of rejecting Wemby and Luca and Giannis. They just don't. They don't love them the way they do American basketball players. It's not the end of the world. League will be fine.

Colin Cowherd (5:34)

The league's going to be fine. It's broadcast partners. Yeah, it's broadcast part.

Jason McIntyre (5:39)

Why do we care about those guys?

Colin Cowherd (5:40)

Well, we're not one of them. That's true. Okay, Greg Cosell, 45 years, NFL Films, joining us live. All right, so I watched the Eagles and Steelers and what was funny is Philadelphia is better, but it was 1713 and the Steelers couldn't even move the ball. And I if Najee Harris doesn't fumble, I'm like, how is Pittsburgh staying in this game without George Pickens? So I looked at Pittsburgh and they're now Pittsburgh is going to face Baltimore. And it's funny, as I watch the Steelers in a weird way, before the Najee Harris fumble, I'm like, I can't believe they're in this game in Philadelphia and they're not moving the ball. When you watch the film of Eagles, Steelers, what are two or three things that jumped out to you?

Greg Cosell (6:30)

Well, what really jumped out to me, to be honest with you, was the Eagles offense. And I know they didn't necessarily just put a ton of points on the board, but the Steelers do have a good defense. But I thought what the Eagles are doing with their coaching staff and with Jalen hurts is really, really good. It's a lot of no huddle. Hertz is really good at the line of scrimmage. He understands what he's Seeing he gets them in the right play. And this week they added a ton of no huddle and empty. So it's no huddle and empty is what they do. So. So both those things, what that does is it defines the defense before the snap of the ball, the no huddle and the empty. And Hertz this week was as decisive as he has been all season. The ball came out. He had 37 drop backs, Colin, and only five of them did he move. He was playing from the pocket. The ball was coming out. He was hitting his receivers. He looked as good as he's looked all season long. I think you'll continue to see them do that, and I think that's sustainable for this reason. They always have the big O line and the power run game to fall back on, but they didn't have that to fall back on. And it's not falling back. It's actually their foundation. But if they didn't have that, I'm not sure they could play that way. But they always can line up and give the ball to Barkley. But I thought they did a great job. A perfect marriage of coaching and Hertz's traits, and it worked really well, and he looked really good.

Colin Cowherd (7:54)

So I want to talk Steelers, because they face the Ravens now. Pittsburgh has just really dominated this series. You were. You were never as big a fan of Russell Wilson as I was. And many of the fans are. What do you now, when you watch that get. They didn't do anything in the first half. They feel very George Pickens dependent. Where are you on rush right now? Do you see a pretty low ceiling here with this offense?

Greg Cosell (8:22)

I mean, I think it's a specific kind of offense. I think they need the run game to be effective. I think they need the vertical game to be a factor because Russell Wilson still throws a very good deep ball. You know, I think. I don't know how they coach him, and I don't know what they ask him to do, but there's been a number of games this year where I've noticed that he immediately threw the check down and almost not even waiting to see the routes develop. Which leads me to wonder if maybe that's the way they coach him. They say, hey, look, if you see a play that gains eight yards, take it. Let's not worry about anything else. Take those eight yards. Let's stay on schedule. Let's stay ahead of the sticks. Let's control the pace and tempo of the game. We've got a really good defense. Hey, we'll take a shot here. And there we have a back who's in Najee Harris, who's basically a grinder, not a big playback. So if we can stay ahead of the sticks, we can control the pace and tempo of games. I think that's the way they want to play on offense.

Colin Cowherd (9:16)

Okay, so Denver tonight plays the Chargers. I tend to bet against young rookie quarterbacks on these short weeks. I think it's really tough. So and so I'll take Herbert tonight. They're at home. I just think this is a good spot for Justin and I think it's a tough spot. You know, I watched Denver last week and they got pushed around for two hours and then they kind of rebounded. I think we, we all realize these teams are a year away, a draft away. Maybe Bo Nix needs 15 more starts. When you look at the Chargers and Broncos tonight, if I said to you one of them is closer to the super bowl bubble, that five or six team bubble, is there a team, Chargers or Broncos, when they play tonight that you look at and you think they may be closer than the other, you like their trajectory more?

Greg Cosell (10:08)

Oh, I mean, that's a tough question. You know, I think Knicks will continue to get better. He's been, for the most part, pretty stable, pretty consistent as a rookie quarterback. He's clearly gotten better as the season's gone on. Is he going to have some bad moments? Absolutely. That's just the nature of the NFL. You know, I think for tonight's game, I think that one thing that might concern me, and we've seen Justin Herbert be under a lot of pressure lately, and we know he's hurt and we know he always plays because that's who he is. But even though the Broncos have not played great quarterbacks in recent weeks, they do have a good defense. They've got a lot of speed, they've got a lot of movement, their secondary is strong. You know, there's certain players in this league who no one knows, but are really important players to the team they're on. And PJ Lock is a safety for the Broncos who was hurt and is now back. And they've got a really good safety tandem with PJ Lock and Brandon Jones, and they've got two really good edge players and Jonathan Cooper and Nick Benito. And there's been some protection issues with the Chargers, and I'm curious to see how that plays out tonight.

Colin Cowherd (11:18)

Okay. You know, I've watched the packers and the Eagles with their athletic quarterback, say, you know what, we're going to throw it a little less. We're going to lean into the run game. And I think it's been highly effective. Miami's got a quarterback with an injury history. He's not a great athlete like a hurts or a love. But when I watch Miami, I just don't trust them against good teams. I have four straight games of Tua throwing it over 40 times. I watch Miami, they feel too finesse to track meet. I just, I. Mike McDaniel's clever, but Greg, every time I watch him, I'm like, there's no there there. They're pretty, they're fun. I what do you. When you look at the offense, what do you see?

Greg Cosell (12:06)

And I'm just going to give you my interpretation of the tape. I'm not suggesting I know any more than Mike McDaniel does. He certainly knows more than I do. But my interpretation, watching their offense is I feel like they throw the ball too much. Two is average. In the games he has started this year, Colin, he's averaging 40 drop backs per game. Now, to me, given that he's a pocket quarterback and not a creator, to me that's an awful lot. And that's too much for a couple of reasons. Number one, I don't think their offensive line is good enough to handle that. Secondly, they've kind of moved away from having a sort of foundational, conventional run game. Everything to me when I watch them is geared toward getting on the perimeter with their speed. And there's no question they have a lot of speed, but I always feel like that they should line up and run the ball. Think about the Rams. We know how good they can be in the pass game, but they line up and they give the ball to Kyron Williams, who by the way, is not a top two or three back in the league in terms of physical traits. But they line up and they run the ball and they generate and sustain offense. And I feel like that the Dolphins need to line up and run the ball. But one could make the argument they don't really have that kind of back. So it'll be interesting to see what they do this offseason. But to me, 40 drop backs a game for Tua, who's a pure timing and rhythm player. That's what he is and he's really good at it, but that's what he is. That, to me, is too many drop backs.

Colin Cowherd (13:28)

Okay, before I get to the Buffalo Bills a lot, because I think right now there's an argument Philly and Buffalo are the two best teams. I want to talk about Michael Penix, so this doesn't Happen very often. But last year's quarterback class was so good. Caleb, as you've noted, is a raw, unique talent. Jaden works, Bo's working. McCarthy had a very good preseason. Drake May's gotten much better. I don't know if he's getting great coaching. I think he's gotten much better. And then there's Michael Pennix. So I like Penix. I thought Pennix was a bigger, stronger tua. That's what I looked at him, a bigger, stronger two. So he's going to play now for Atlanta and they still, they're only one back at Tampa and they beat him two times now. So if they get tied, they got to win all three games.

Greg Cosell (14:15)

Sure.

Colin Cowherd (14:15)

What should we expect? Let's go back to your. You're very good at this. Your. What did you see coming into the league? Strength, weakness, panics. What are we going to see?

Greg Cosell (14:25)

Yeah, I like Michael Penix coming out, but you know, the TUA comparison is very interesting because he is a timing, rhythm player and that's what he did in college under Ryan Grubb who's now the coordinator for the Seahawks. But tua, to me, the strength of his, excuse me, Pennix, the strength of his game is the fact that he would drop back, get the ball out and he had really good ball location. He was pretty consistent with it.

Colin Cowherd (14:48)

Yes.

Greg Cosell (14:49)

He knew where to go with the ball. You know, he does have a little bit of a low delivery at times and we'll see how that plays out once he becomes a starter. But for the most part I thought that Penix was a really good prospect. Now he's not immobile, but he's going to be at his core a pocket player. Yes, but the difference is, with it, the difference is, and you can see the evaluation, the difference is, and this is just part of it, obviously, as you know, because I send you a lot of my evaluations, you know how detailed they are. But, but is there a running football team? They run over 60% with Bijan on first down. And they're playing the Giants this week and they're going to run the ball. So barring anything strange happening in this game, Penix is not going to have 40 dropbacks. They'd be thrilled, in my opinion, this week playing the Giants if Penix goes, you know, 18 for 26 for 205 yards and a touchdown and doesn't turn it over.

Colin Cowherd (15:42)

Right.

Greg Cosell (15:42)

I don't think that this is necessarily a Michael Pennick's game in the way they're going to approach it. They've Got Robinson, they've got Algier, they're a running football team. And Bijan Robinson, for whatever reason does not get talked about enough because he is truly a high level traits back in this league.

Colin Cowherd (15:58)

Okay, let's talk about a Super bowl team potentially in Buffalo. Sean McDermott's a very capable coach. He's a defensive minded guy. He's got a lot of toughness and grit and they draft well. Their defense right now, Matt Stafford, it was a 7 on 7 drill and I'm watching Detroit and Detroit's doing in that second half kind of whatever they want to do. What is wrong with Buffalo's defense?

Greg Cosell (16:24)

Yeah, that's a concern. They're not really generating pass rush pressure with their down four and they're not necessarily a big blitz team. They started to blitz a little more in the second half this week against Detroit because they had to. They were not generating any pressure and they predominantly play zone coverage and they were missing some players on the back end due to injury. They were missing both safeties in this game, both of their starting safeties, and then they had to go to safety even beyond that due to injury. And they were missing Rasul Douglas, one of their corners. So they're lacking people right now. But it starts with if you're going to play zone, think of it this way. If you're going to play zone and you're only going to rush four, you need your four man D line pass rush to be a factor. It's not about sacks, but you need to speed up the quarterback and they've been unable to do that. And for two weeks their zone coverage has really, really struggled. Now, we know Josh Allen's been phenomenal, but you can't. When you get to the big games in the playoffs, you're not going to put up 45 every week. That's not going to happen.

Colin Cowherd (17:26)

You have been a huge fan. In fact, back in 2021, you had a column. You said Josh was the most intriguing quarterback you had watched in 45 years of watching film. You said, the ball coming out of his hands is otherworldly. I said, I thought the most talented quarterback I ever saw in my life was John Elway. And I said, I said a couple weeks ago, josh Allen makes Elway look small and lumbering. It just doesn't. Again, you sent me out of college. You're like, you and Mel Kuiper were both like, if this thing works, it's going to be. I mean, I watched him at Wyoming. He was reckless and wild. Is he more talented than Mahomes. But Mahomes has the trophy.

Greg Cosell (18:12)

Is he more talented in terms of pure physical traits? Yes. Don't forget he's 65240. That's a trait. It's funny because in that column I wrote in 2021 when I was actually Peter King and asked me to write his column in the summer, and I did, and it was 2021, so he hadn't really become Josh Allen yet in a strict way. And I said that he was the most physically gifted quarterback in the league and maybe one of the most physically gifted I'd seen, which was different at the time from saying he was the best. But of course, that's how people took it. But I wasn't saying that. Now, you can always debate whether the guy is the best or not. Those are fun debates, but, you know, you're dealing with a guy that's 6 5, 240 pounds. That is a big, big man. I've been fortunate enough to stand next to him and watch him throw a ball where I was literally standing right next to him. And it just comes out of his hand differently. Colin. I mean, this guy's a little different animal. So again, we'll see what happens if their defense doesn't get shored up. Well, you know, that could be a big problem. It's tough to put up 40, 45 when you get to the playoffs. You know, things are different. We'll see. But he is really playing at a high level. And I think one of the most important things to me, we know he can make those special plays. We know that he could always do that. I think he's playing with a far better sense of poise and rhythm from the pocket than he ever has. And that's absolutely critical.

Colin Cowherd (19:32)

So the play, the 33 yarder is your play of the week. Fire away.

Greg Cosell (19:36)

Yeah. Yeah. Now, this play was 33 yards to Ty Johnson. It was the second play of the game, so let's take a look at it. And the fact that it was the second play of the game means that it was game planned. So that's the important point here. This was game plan. They were playing against a Lions defense that was lacking starting players, so they were playing backups, so particularly at the linebacker position. So what they did on the second play of the game is they lined up in what we call 12 personnel, meaning they had one back and two tight ends. And they knew based on that what they would get from the defense. Okay, you're going to see Allen, he's in the gun and by the way, they do put him under center a decent amount, but there's two stacked backers here and they're both backup players, by the way, and they knew that. So what they wanted to do here, this was the design of the play. They wanted Ty Johnson, the back, to work against Alexander, a linebacker who's only been there for a couple of weeks. So how did they create this matchup? Well, they took Shakir and they would put him in what we call orbit motion. And that caused a switch in the coverage. You can see that they changed coverage. They moved inside. So now you have Cooper matched on Arnold and you're going to have Branch who's going to run with Shakir moving inside. So that's what they knew would happen. Those two things were all part of the plan. And don't forget, when something's the second play of the game, they know this is going to happen. And then they took the center and they actually pulled him, even though it's a pass play. And that has an impact on Alexander because now that's eye candy. He's looking inside and he's seeing the center pull. So he's waiting there. So now you're seeing how this whole thing is going to develop. You're going to get Cooper running against Arnold on the outside. He's going to remove him. He's going to lift him by running vertically. And then what do you get? You get Johnson, who worked through the line of scrimmage and he's working against the linebacker, Alexander, the matchup that they wanted, creating all that space with the whole, the mechanics of the play. And you get the back on the linebacker, one on one. And Colin, this is what I was talking about with throwing the ball from the pocket. This is a beautiful throw. It's a schemed play. Second play of the game. You couldn't place this ball any better. You couldn't hand it to him any better than that throw. And I think that's the area where Josh Allen has so significantly improved, is he makes these throws now, whereas when he first came in the league, as you and I know, yeah, he would throw that ball 10 yards over the receiver's head. Now he makes those throws from the pocket.

Colin Cowherd (22:11)

Greg Cosell, 45 years, NFL Films. As always, Greg, happy holidays. Good seeing you.

Greg Cosell (22:18)

Same to you, Colin. Thanks so much.

Colin Cowherd (22:19)

Joel Clatt joining us next hour. Very excited. We got. We got game. We have big bets at the end of this hour. Clemson at Texas, Indiana at Notre Dame Friday. That's interesting. You when you have a really good Coach pro or college and you give them extra time. Extra time's not even. You give Matt Eber flutes a month. What does it mean if you gave Nick Saban in college an extra month? What does it mean? So it's going to be. It's, it's really interesting. Dabo Sweeney against Sark. That is. That is fiery.

Jason McIntyre (22:53)

By the way, did you see that the Notre Dame coach got a nice little extension this week?

Colin Cowherd (22:58)

Marcus Freeman, because of the rumors he was going to Chicago.

Jason McIntyre (23:01)

Well, I might have started on this show.

Colin Cowherd (23:03)

Well, you would. Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (23:05)

Listen, that's a. That's a really good coach and like you said four weeks to. I think it's four weeks. Right. To prepare for this game.

Colin Cowherd (23:10)

Well, he's a no nonsense guy. They love to run the ball and they hit and they tackle. They. Notre Dame looks like they're coached by a very energetic young defensive coach. They play smart power football. They run it.

Jason McIntyre (23:23)

They might have after Genti the best running back in the country, I think so. There is some concern in the secondary, but I like the Irish here.

Colin Cowherd (23:30)

Friday, this is. This could be one of the best weekends of the year. Starting Friday, Friday, Saturday, because I get college and pro.

Jason McIntyre (23:37)

Yeah. I don't know what to make of the NFL slate. We'll eventually get to it, but I. There's not a lot of games that jump out at me on Sunday.

Colin Cowherd (23:44)

I like the Chargers tonight. Rookie quarterbacks on a short week is trouble. I think they're 15 and 25 on these Thursday games.

Jason McIntyre (23:54)

Could you pull in?

Colin Cowherd (23:55)

I think, I think rookie quarterbacks on Thursday, it's hard. And also division rival games are close and ugly anyway and. And the Chargers just got blown out. So anytime a good coach and a good quarterback get blown out, they almost always circle the wagons.

Jason McIntyre (24:11)

And without JK Dobbins they've scored 17 points, three straight games and they've been non really competitive in the second. It's just. It doesn't look good. They need a running back bad. Ashton Genty.

Greg Cosell (24:21)

Who?

Jason McIntyre (24:21)

How about that? Boise State to the Chargers.

Colin Cowherd (24:24)

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And they're both crushing now because of the right fit. I always thought Caleb was more Andrew Luck, not as good out of college, but Andrew Luck, where I thought he would just bulldoze obstacles. Now, I picked the Bears for fourth place, and I picked them to win seven games, but it has not looked as good as I thought. Now. Now, I'll say this to defend him. He has not thrown an interception since Halloween. Okay? He has got right now. Let me look it up. He's got more touchdown passes than Kyler Murray and Justin Herbert. He's got more passing yards than Jalen Hurts. So it doesn't look pretty, but he's not turning it over. He's throwing for yards. It's just he's got nothing to work with. And the difference is Andrew Luck was winning 11 games, but Andrew Luck's division wasn't nearly as good as this division. This division now is the best division in football. That's why they got to get the coaching thing right. But Caleb was talking this week about, like, losing really affects him. Losing is one of those things that actually really affects me. It's tough, but I do have the understandment of where I'm at in my career and where I'll be at. And so having that understandment is important for me, myself, internally, because internally it's tough internally, when tough times happen, just.

Greg Cosell (32:19)

Human nature is to do the opposite.

Colin Cowherd (32:23)

Of what you're doing or what you've been doing or all these different things. So it's, it's the toughest part is fighting yourself and you know, especially when, when there's tough times. Yeah, I mean, he, he's, he's, what he's saying is you have to fight the self doubt. But again, there's, there's encouraging things here. But between the chaos with the Bears and how good this division is, you just can't have hiccups. I mean, you can't have a Hail Mary lose a game. You can't have a block kick lose a game. You can't have a coaching snafu lose again. They should have three more wins. This team should have three more wins. And then you would look at him and go, oh, they got seven. This is a seven win team. So it's especially for young quarterbacks. I was just talking. Tonight, the Broncos play the Chargers. Rookie quarterbacks on Thursday Night Football on the road are 9 and 25. It is hard when you're a rookie. This is all new stuff. This is all new territory. But if you're a Bear fan and you're bummed out, don't blame him for the Hail Mary. Don't blame him for the block kick. Don't blame him for the coaching snafu against Detroit. This team should have three more wins and he's got more touchdowns and yards than a Kyler Murray. A Jalen hurts a Justin Herbert and he hadn't thrown a pick since Halloween. So there is stuff there. You can see the there, there. A lot of these guys, you look at them and you're like, yeah, it just doesn't look like it's going to work. When Justin Herbert was losing as a rookie, I'm like, yeah, that's going to work. They just got to get the right coach. That's how I feel about Chicago. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

Jason McIntyre (33:55)

We haven't talked too much Kyler Murray lately because he has stumbled the last few weeks. But Colin, he had a great moment at a press conference this week talking about the game against the Panthers. You know, listen, not everybody's built for the cold, okay? Temperatures in Carolina are expected to be 35 on Sunday. Kyler Murray is from Texas, played at A and M in Oklahoma. Here's his question. Here's his answer when asked about playing in 35 degree temps.

Colin Cowherd (34:21)

No, I mean, I don't. I've played in cold weather before. It's not. I don't know how cold is it supposed to be? Like 35?

Greg Cosell (34:29)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (34:36)

It just hit him that it's going to be 35 initially. He's like, oh, nobody.

Colin Cowherd (34:39)

Oh yeah, it's gonna be cold. I don't think it's that big of a deal. 35 degrees, I'm fine with you. Get down to 13 degrees at Columbus Saturday against Tennessee and Ohio State. 13 degrees. Dude, is. That is bone chill.

Jason McIntyre (34:55)

35 is. Is very cold to play football. Let me just ask you this, Colin. Where are we with Kyler Murray? What do you do if you're.

Colin Cowherd (35:01)

He's a franchise quarterback.

Jason McIntyre (35:03)

Based on what?

Colin Cowherd (35:04)

Based on leading that team to the playoffs in a really good division.

Jason McIntyre (35:08)

So. So he's a franchise quarterback, but Brock Purdy isn't.

Colin Cowherd (35:10)

No, Brock. Brock purdy is at 30 million a year.

Jason McIntyre (35:13)

Oh, at 4. Okay.

Colin Cowherd (35:14)

I'll pay 45 for Kyler because he is a playmaker.

Jason McIntyre (35:17)

Over, under in his career. One and a half playoff wins for Kyler Murray. He has zero, by the way.

Colin Cowherd (35:24)

I would say under just because of.

Jason McIntyre (35:27)

He'S a franchise quarterback and he's gonna win one playoff game in his career. Daniel Jones has one playoff win. Come on.

Colin Cowherd (35:34)

Well, he's in a really good division with McVay and Shanahan.

Jason McIntyre (35:37)

Excuses, excuses. Kyler Murray. I know that your boy from ufc. I won't, I won't hammer him. Next up, you know, if we didn't get enough cuss words out earlier, how about Brian Callahan? Colin. Oh, no, wait, we're doing Kevin Duran here. We're doing Kevin Herrera. My bad. The NBA and now has announced a new All Star Game format. Yeah, it's a four team, three game, one night tournament. Sounds a little clunky. You want change? You got it, Colin. Maybe too much. Shane. Joe. The winning team in all the games will be the first to score 40 points. I know. I can't follow it either. It's very gimmicky. But Kevin Durant was asked about it.

Colin Cowherd (36:14)

Oh, God.

Jason McIntyre (36:14)

Here, here, here's kd.

Colin Cowherd (36:17)

I hate it. Absolutely hate, like a terrible All Star game.

Greg Cosell (36:21)

Four mass changes. All the formats were terrible in my opinion.

Jason McIntyre (36:26)

And we should just go back to.

Colin Cowherd (36:28)

The east west, like just play a game. I think, I think we've been trying.

Jason McIntyre (36:31)

To, you know, bring that flare back.

Colin Cowherd (36:34)

Somehow with the All Star weekend.

Jason McIntyre (36:36)

But I think we just keep it.

Colin Cowherd (36:38)

We'll see how this one works. You never know.

Greg Cosell (36:40)

I might be wrong. I'm just another guy with another winner pants.

Jason McIntyre (36:43)

But we'll see how it works.

Colin Cowherd (36:45)

You know what they're trying to do and I'm going to give the NBA and Adam Silver credit. What they're saying is if it's only to 40, it's short and it's intense. And what they're trying to do is bring back the intensity to the All Star game because it's just not now. It's just like nobody plays defense. But if you're going to 40, guys are like, dude, it's eight minutes of basketball. So my take is this is all about. And I don't think it's a bad move. It sounds weird. Like the golden at Baton baseball sounds weird. So once again, it's like having a dh. You get to use Bryce Harper again. And by the way, it's not going to be a game winning move most of the time because even a great baseball team loses 50 games. A great baseball team loses 54 games. But this sounds weird, but in the end they're just saying, hey, how do we make this game more intense? Because people, fans are losing their attention span. And so I think, I think on its premise I get the move and kind of like it.

Jason McIntyre (37:42)

Okay. I, I'm, you know, people don't like my NBA takes this week.

Colin Cowherd (37:46)

Whatever, whatever.

Jason McIntyre (37:47)

But I'll just say this. The Internet and social media completely changed all these all Star games. The NFL Pro bowl is completely irrelevant. I've been saying we should just do like a 40 yard dash or 100.

Colin Cowherd (37:58)

Yard yard skills competition.

Jason McIntyre (37:59)

Competition.

Greg Cosell (37:59)

Right.

Jason McIntyre (38:00)

MLB All Star game. I know. It's a midsummer classic. Come on. It has no juice. And the NBA All Star Game, everybody's out on it. Nobody wants to play defense. And I think a lot of that has to do. Colin with all we care about now rightfully is championships. That's all anybody talks about. Yeah, Legacy titles. Nobody cares if you win an All Star game. Nobody cares about the regular season. And I, I don't know how we change that. That's just the way things are now. Like you could do all this stuff to the NBA All Star Game. Nobody's gonna care. It's like, oh, we're only playing a 40. Like the Elam ending. It had a moment.

Colin Cowherd (38:30)

What the audience does care about March Madness. Ratings were up. If something feels special, Caitlin Clark games, even regular season feel special. Ratings up. Playoffs this year. Fox broke records. Ohtani Lindor, Judge Machado.

Jason McIntyre (38:49)

You also naming stars.

Colin Cowherd (38:50)

Caitlin stars make things special. Yeah. So what's happening in sports? UFC fights, their pay per view numbers are up. The World Cup, Fox up, March Madness up. So what the audience is telling you with the iPhone, we love it when it's special. So to me, NHL, regular season, not special. NBA, especially when everybody plays the same, not special. Baseball's regular season was up, but it doesn't feel as special. So I think what is happening is the audience is telling you when it's special. We will pour in the NFL. And for the record, college football, these bowl games had been on a downward trend for a decade.

Jason McIntyre (39:35)

They're out now. Okay, forget the exit.

Colin Cowherd (39:37)

Wait till you see the ratings Saturday.

Jason McIntyre (39:39)

For the playoff games.

Colin Cowherd (39:40)

Urgency, because it feels special. So the audience is still consuming. It has to qualify though, as wow.

Jason McIntyre (39:46)

You can't compare though, postseason stuff, March Madness, all that to regular season. It's just a totally different.

Colin Cowherd (39:51)

Right.

Jason McIntyre (39:52)

And like, you know, I get it. People are worked up. I am a purist. I like the old NB All Star game format. I like Steph Curry hitting 60 points and uncontested dunks and nasty Zach.

Colin Cowherd (40:05)

I'm not a purist. You and I are opposites. You're very much a traditionalist and a purist, and I am not. I am new stuff, new ways to do things.

Jason McIntyre (40:13)

I mean, I don't want to act like I'm an old fuddy duddy and I don't like new stuff. But yeah, I don't have a huge problem with the NBL Star Game. But again, when you're watching stuff now, you have a phone, you have a second screen.

Colin Cowherd (40:24)

Yeah. But here's what's happening. The NBA All Star Game literally has crashed once again. The audience is always right and they're telling you this is crap.

Jason McIntyre (40:33)

It's like the Pro Bowl. Nobody under anything.

Colin Cowherd (40:35)

Yeah, but it didn't used to be like that. The All Star Game used to be worth an hour of your time. The consumer is telling you this is crap. And when the consumer tells you what Adam Silver, to his credit, is going, we're going to tweak it. Just listen to the consumer. They'll give you all the answers.

Jason McIntyre (40:51)

I mean, listen, they've tried tweaks. They did the draft, remember, where they had like guys drafting and then someone was the last pick and they're kind of ticked off. Then they tried the Elam ending. Like they're.

Colin Cowherd (41:00)

They're trying stuff, you know, I know you don't get along with kd. I like him. KD is funny.

Jason McIntyre (41:04)

No, no, I, I, we're fine.

Colin Cowherd (41:06)

I like him.

Jason McIntyre (41:07)

I'm gonna go ahead and I like him. I'm gonna go ahead and guess he liked my take on Inside the NBA. That's, I'm just gonna put that out there. Anyways, let's wrap up with Brian Callahan and the Titans. Colin. Oh my. This was the, I think this wins for the like midweek press conference of the year. A reporter asked about how fans are calling the Titans soft and Brian Callahan lost it on this reporter.

Colin Cowherd (41:32)

I think, to be honest with you, I guess complete and total, if you want my honest opinion. These guys are tough, man. They, they go after it every day. That makes me relatively angry that that would be some presumption. That's, that means you just don't, you know, you don't do anything about it that you don't know what you're talking.

Greg Cosell (41:48)

About, you know what you're looking at.

Colin Cowherd (41:49)

So I, I don't, I won't stand for, I'm not going to stand for anybody calling this football team soft. Yeah, first of all, Tennessee's not soft. They're bad at quarterback. There's a big difference. I know. Never look at them as soft. I think the Callahans historically want to play smash mouth football. Yeah. The Titans have issues. Miami, I'll argue, feels soft. When I watch Miami play against the northern team in cold weather, they come across as very finesse. I've never thought Tennessee is soft. I think their quarterback situations, well, if.

Jason McIntyre (42:23)

They can get Darnold, they might be a buy team for I don't know how Darnold will like outside outdoor games, indoor games, man. I mean, Jared Goff looks like one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

Colin Cowherd (42:32)

Well, he is.

Jason McIntyre (42:33)

He's unbelievable. He's going outdoors this weekend in Chicago.

Colin Cowherd (42:36)

I know.

Jason McIntyre (42:36)

What is it like 10 degrees in Chicago?

Colin Cowherd (42:38)

I know.

Jason McIntyre (42:38)

Is that why you're not going there this weekend?

Greg Cosell (42:40)

Huh?

Colin Cowherd (42:40)

I'm going there in a couple weekends.

Jason McIntyre (42:41)

A little chilly in Chicago.

Colin Cowherd (42:43)

One of us, one of us is willing to expand his horizons. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd line. We're making big bets on the college football playoffs next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. If you're looking to set the standard in athletic clothing and activewear apparel for performance, look no further than Viori Vuori integrates the best of fitness, the best of surf, sport and art. Two of my personal favorites. The Men's Core Short. It's the most comfortable lined athletic shirt you'll find. And the Men's Sunday Performance Jogger, perfect for lounging or any work activity. Vuori has the women covered as well with their Women's Performance Jogger. It's the softest jogger you'll ever own. Also check out the Women's Daily Legging, featuring a high waist drawstring tie, an upgraded no slip fit. Incredibly versatile. 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Here we go with our Big Bets. It's time for Big Bets. Colin and J. Mac make their favorite Big Ten bets of the week. Okay, a lot of lousy weather. I'm going to take Indiana plus seven and a half. I think it's a low scoring, ugly game with a lot of running. These are very good defenses especially. I like both of these coaching staffs I think if you give these coaching staffs time, it's going to be a fairly competitive game. I think Notre Dame's the better team and Notre Dame will win. But again we're talking about a first snowy cold outdoor. People always talk about the Big Ten weather. The regular season's done by late November. You get one crappy weather game. This is a bad, historically bad weather game. I think Notre Dame wins but I would take the hook at seven and a half.

Jason McIntyre (48:41)

Interesting. I am head to head against you, my friend. I got Notre Dame winning and covering at home. I just know Indiana. When they stepped up in class this year against Michigan and Ohio State, they did not look good. You want to be Purdue 66 7. Fine. Awesome. But this is a Notre Dame team like you said. Extra time to prepare for Freeman. Amazing run game. And Colin, I will just say this is newfound territory. We've never had a playoff game where someone's at home that's like a big edge. How much of an edge? I don't know. I tried to propose to the staff that we do teasers because I love Notre Dame in a teaser down to win by one. But I do think they can cover seven and a half this ground game. We could be looking at 300 yards on the ground for Notre Dame.

Colin Cowherd (49:19)

Okay, I'm going to take Klebs in Texas. The under 52. I think Texas knows they have a significantly better roster and they'll be conservative like they have the last three weeks. I don't think they're going to unveil any of their playbook to let the next couple of teams they play see it. They, they, they're in line to face like an Oregon. They're not going to let them see anything. I think Clemson number three ranked scoring defense. I don't think, I don't think Clemson can win but I think Clemson can keep it close. I think the pressure is on Texas. They'll come in with a fairly conservative game plan close to the vest. We'll beat them. I'll take the under 52.

Jason McIntyre (49:55)

I'm on this game as well. I do like Texas favor by 12. I know it's a double digit spread but I just. Clemson felt like they won their super bowl to get into this game beating smu. They came out awesome and then petered out. SMU went to the up tempo attack. Second half Clemson could not get stops. Colin, you know I'm looking at some arch manning props once they get released. I think we see some arch packages. Would not be surprised if Texas drops a 40 burger. This is like a 40 to 13.

Colin Cowherd (50:20)

Wow.

Jason McIntyre (50:20)

I don't think highly of Clemson. They have not been good all season. And I'm all in on Texas. I, I think Texas is live to win the whole thing.

Colin Cowherd (50:28)

Well, I do too. I'm going to take again, I'm going to take the plus seven and a half in 13 degree weather. Tennessee to keep it close against Ohio State. I think their defensive line is going to force Ohio State to throw the ball 40 times. And I don't trust Will Howard and Ohio State didn't trust Will Howard against Michigan. Tennessee has a great run game, led the SEC in rushing in a great D line. When you play in crappy weather, those are really important units and factors. I think Ohio State's better. I think Ohio State's going to win this game. But the pressure is on Ohio State. What if their first series, they punt, Tennessee scores, takes a lead and that crowd starts grumbling. I'm gonna take the hook. I like dogs. I think the dogs are gonna be competitive in these games.

Jason McIntyre (51:13)

Dogs are barking in December. I'm against you again head to head. Oh, somebody's in some trouble. I got the Buckeyes covering seven and a half. I just again, I, I believe that that Ohio State Michigan game complete overreaction. Everybody's bailing on Ohio State. Tennessee is the public dog. Every joke Joe Public who goes into Vegas this weekend is betting Tennessee they all like yet the numbers not really coming down.

Colin Cowherd (51:36)

That means the pros are voting on how to state.

Jason McIntyre (51:38)

I think they show up here. Yeah. I do have concerns about Will Howard, no doubt about it. But I've got some concerns about Nico, the quarterback for Tennessee. This guy's highly touted. I haven't always seen it. I know the defense is good, but again, like you said, cold weather. Ohio State's had a lot of time to prepare for this. I think the stadium is going to be juiced up. My big question to you is if Ryan Day somehow loses this game, are they firing him?

Colin Cowherd (52:00)

Like, no, I don't think they can. So I like, I like competitive games. I like competitive games. You like three blowouts.

Jason McIntyre (52:08)

I think the only reason I would have Penn State here is because SMU is Chuck and Duck all the time. They're going to come in the back door. They're not going to quit throwing, so I didn't put them on here. But I like the favorites this weekend. I'm, I'm leaning toward the home teams with extra time to prepare and really good coaches. I think Ryan Day is One of the best coaches in the country, Freeman.

Colin Cowherd (52:26)

And what do you. If Ryan Day lost, you wouldn't fire him?

Jason McIntyre (52:30)

I don't. I mean, I would tear up my Ohio State Futures tickets from the summer. I really thought they were the best team in the country. And that loss at Michigan kind of changed some things for me. I don't know if Days is completely safe if they lose this game. Colin, come on, boy. You like to Michigan again. And then losing at home, they've lost.

Colin Cowherd (52:48)

Four straight to Michigan. And next year, it's back in Ann Arbor and the buck and the Wolverines have the number one high school quarterback.

Jason McIntyre (52:54)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (52:55)

Like, this was the year to beat Michigan.

Jason McIntyre (52:58)

Well, you know, Chip Kelly came out this week. I don't know if you heard the press conference. And he was like, yeah, you know, I, I didn't do a great job of getting the ball to our guys. Smith, the superstar receiver, the other receiver who's a first rounder, like, they gotta throw the football. Stop this running it. Tennessee's run defense is damn good. They better come out and throw the football. I don't know if Howard totally delivers. I got faith in Ryan Day and Chip Kelly. All right, you got me nervous. On.

Colin Cowherd (53:21)

No, I mean, you've had a very good year doing this. I. I think it's going to be a close weekend. You think it's going to be blow.

Jason McIntyre (53:27)

Where's Clat on?

Colin Cowherd (53:28)

Well, we'll ask him.

Jason McIntyre (53:29)

Okay.

Colin Cowherd (53:29)

I. I don't know.

Jason McIntyre (53:30)

Maybe he knows I'm better than any.

Colin Cowherd (53:32)

Ohio State's got the better team. Yeah. I'm not doubting that. They've also got all the pressure. Yeah. What's up, everybody?

Jason McIntyre (53:39)

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Greg Cosell (53:53)

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