Hour 2 – Luka Doncic, Teron Armstead

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2: Luka Doncic, Teron Armstead

Release Date: February 28, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Introduction

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, host Colin Cowherd delves into two main topics: the evolving situation of NBA star Luka Doncic and an in-depth conversation with NFL player Teron Armstead. The discussion offers critical insights into Luka's performance and potential trade scenarios, as well as a personal look into Teron Armstead's career and future in professional football.

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2. Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks' Trade Decisions

A. Dallas Mavericks’ Decision to Move Off Luka Doncic

Colin opens the discussion by addressing the Dallas Mavericks' decision to distance themselves from Luka Doncic. He highlights the team's concerns regarding Doncic's work ethic, defensive capabilities, and physical conditioning.

Colin Cowherd [03:05]: "The Dallas Mavericks moved off Luka because they thought he was lazy, he played no defense, he wasn't in shape, and he kept having a recurring calf injury, which they connected to his lack of conditioning."

B. Critical Evaluation of Luka's Performance

Colin provides a critical analysis of Luka's on-court performance, particularly focusing on his defensive shortcomings and physical fitness. He contrasts Luka's abilities with those of Anthony Edwards (Ant) from the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Colin Cowherd [04:15]: "He's a terrible defender. He doesn't have the energy of 40-year-old LeBron. He's not close to LeBron as a defender."

C. Trade Negotiations with the Minnesota Timberwolves

The conversation shifts to recent trade negotiations between the Mavericks and the Timberwolves, where the Mavericks offered Luka in exchange for Anthony Edwards. The Timberwolves declined the offer, valuing Edwards' youth, athleticism, and defensive prowess over Luka.

Colin Cowherd [06:00]: "Luka Dallas called the Timberwolves saying, 'We'll trade you.' The Timberwolves said, 'No thanks.' I would not trade Luka for Ant."

D. Potential Improvement in Los Angeles

Colin speculates that moving to the Los Angeles Lakers could provide Luka with a more competitive environment that might help him improve his physical condition and overall game.

Colin Cowherd [03:50]: "I believe that moving to LA, he'll get in better shape."

E. Notable Quotes

• Colin Cowherd [07:23]: "Steph Curry's got 12 threes and Steph Curry is one of those athletes."
• Guest Speaker [09:28]: "Luka makes everyone on his team better. He carried the Mavs to the finals last year."

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3. Interview with Teron Armstead: A Deep Dive into His NFL Career

A. Overlooked by SEC Teams and Early Career Challenges

Teron Armstead shares his journey from being overlooked by SEC teams to carving out a successful career in the NFL. He attributes his initial challenges to limited exposure and outdated high school recruitment methods.

Teron Armstead [16:15]: "My high school was behind the times as far as exposure. Putting the eyes on guys and getting the tape to where it was available... it was still VHS."

B. Mentorship and Growth Under Sean Payton

Armstead discusses his early years under coach Sean Payton, highlighting the tough love approach Payton employed. Despite initial difficulties, the mentorship proved invaluable, culminating in a deep personal bond.

Teron Armstead [19:12]: "Everything that he taught me in those first four years stuck with me and taught me what's important. Doing your job, execution."

C. Considerations for Retirement and Future Plans

Facing the possibility of retirement, Teron reflects on his achievements, family life, and the factors influencing his decision to continue playing or hang up his cleats.

Teron Armstead [29:25]: "I weigh my options... Pray for me, please. So those types of things are factors for sure."

D. Notable Quotes

• Teron Armstead [18:35]: "I'm on a good team already."
• Teron Armstead [26:18]: "It's a lot of stress playing that position... I get the quarterback hit."

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4. Steph Curry's Historic Performance

Outside the primary topics, Colin and his guests touch upon Steph Curry's remarkable performance, where Curry hit 12 three-pointers and scored 56 points in a single game. They discuss his shooting prowess and its impact on the game.

Colin Cowherd [20:57]: "Steph Curry's the greatest shooter in NBA history."

Guest Speaker [42:33]: "The man had 56 points. There is no aside from Steph. He had 56."

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5. Additional Sports News Highlights

The episode also briefly covers other sports news, including Matt Stafford's agreement with the Los Angeles Rams and Bill Belichick’s strategic move to feature the North Carolina Tar Heels on HBO's Hard Knocks. These segments provide listeners with a broader view of current happenings in the sports world.

Colin Cowherd [33:14]: "Matt Stafford is signed with the Rams. We'll say it again."

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6. Conclusion

Colin Cowherd wraps up the episode by reiterating the key discussions on Luka Doncic's career trajectory and Teron Armstead's experiences in the NFL. The episode offers listeners a comprehensive analysis of player performance, team strategies, and personal athlete journeys, enriched with insightful quotes and expert opinions.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Colin Cowherd [03:05]: "The Dallas Mavericks moved off Luka because they thought he was lazy..."
• Colin Cowherd [04:15]: "He's a terrible defender..."
• Colin Cowherd [03:50]: "I believe that moving to LA, he'll get in better shape."
• Teron Armstead [16:15]: "My high school was behind the times as far as exposure..."
• Teron Armstead [19:12]: "Everything that he taught me in those first four years stuck with me..."
• Teron Armstead [29:25]: "I weigh my options... Pray for me, please."
• Colin Cowherd [42:40]: "Steph Curry's the greatest shooter in NBA history."

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This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd provides a balanced mix of critical sports analysis and personal athlete narratives, making it a must-listen for fans seeking deeper insights into their favorite players and teams.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Toron Armstead]

Not Sigs, hookah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Whatever. The point being is I. What I'm about to say I believe is that moving to la, he'll get in better shape. Now I'll get into that in a second, but there's a story this morning that Luca Dallas called the T Wolves and said, we'll trade you. You give us Ant, we'll give you Luca. And the T wolf said, no thanks. Now I would not trade Luca for Ant. I think Ant is younger, he's in much better shape. He's a much better athlete. He's a much better defender. I've said this before and I. I'm on record saying this. I think Luke is a better Carmelo Anthony. I don't necessarily think he always makes teammates better. I never think he's in great shape and he's a below average defender. He's an all time gifted offensive player. But I wouldn't trade if I was Minnesota. I wouldn't give up Ant. Ant's younger, better shape, better defender. I think he's not as naturally, effortlessly. I mean, the way Ant shooting threes this year, it's like, damn, he's not that far behind Luka shooting threes. But it's funny, when I watch Luka play, all the criticisms that the Mavs had about Luka, let's be honest, they're on display. He's a terrible defender. He doesn't have the energy of 40 year old LeBron. He's not close to 40 year old LeBron as a defender. Now I would have, I'm the Lakers. I still would have moved AD out, but if AD was healthy with Kyrie Irving, there's an argument that is a great fit because Kyrie and Luka did not defend. AD's a remarkable defender. So in a way Dallas is getting beat up because AD's not healthy and Lively's not available. Dallas are really good basketball team and a much better defensive team now that Luke is gone. The Lakers now are a much better offensive team and I think Luke is great. But we were talking about this. I have because of, you know, I've chased commerce, I've lived in Connecticut, I spent a lot of time in Rhode Island. I spent a lot of time in Chicago. I lived in Vegas, Los Angeles, Tampa, Los Angeles. A 50 year old man in Los Angeles is in better shape and looks better than a 50 year old man. In Chicago, we got a beach and we got mountains and the weather's always good and people hike and go to the beach in January, like that's just what they do in most American cities. Even in Phoenix, in the summer, it's too hot to go outside. You can go outside every day of the year in Los Angeles. You can golf almost every day of the year. You can hike every day of the year. You can go to the beach all but about 30 days of the year. And so. And there's just, there's a weird thing about Los Angeles. It's a very competitive place in terms of being in shape. Like, the women compete against the women, the men compete against the men. It's a real thing. Anthony Davis was never in better shape than when he came to Los Angeles. After about three years, he got into the lifestyle ad was in great shape. He was not. When he came here, he was always hurt. They used to make fun of the dad bodies. He was in New Orleans, he was in the South. It just, the food's different and, you know, in the summer you're not going to go outside much. So this is about Luca. As I look at Luke and I watch him, you know, Dallas had their concerns, but the Minnesota Timberwolves are like, we're not trading ant for Luca. Like, the criticisms of Luca are on display. He cannot defend. He is not in good shape now. I think you'll get there. I understand his inactivity is a big part of this, but I mean, the players that Luka guarded last night shot 55%. Terrence Shannon, a junior, was 3 of 4 when guarded by Luka and went for a career high 25. So there's a little Carmelo Anthony here where you're getting an all time naturally gifted player. But you know, the cardio and the defensive concerns, they're on display. Even if he got significantly better, he's not graded either. Let's just be honest about it. Okay? So Steph Curry last night, he hadn't done this in a long time, but it was, it was an all. Here is his 12th three last night. From NBC Sports, Bay Area through the lane, lost the handle. Curry to beat the buzzer for three.

[Toron Armstead]

Good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Steph's got 12 threes and Steph Curry is one of those athletes. And I think you see it sometimes in baseball if somebody throws a no hitter, like I think if you're on the road and you throw a no hitter, like the opposing crowd, you know, gives you a standing O. It's like you did a great job. We can acknowledge it. Maybe not if it's a playoff game, but in most instances, everybody acknowledges. You may not have loved Tiger, but if Tiger hits the clincher at the Masters, you're sitting there live in the gallery watching a historic moment like last night. Steph pointed this out. After the game, the Orlando fans were enjoying the hell out of this performance.

[Steve Covino]

I'm just blessed to, like I always say, play this game, enjoy the competition, the creativity. And it's grown over the years where you can drive off of a road crowd, which is pretty insane. With every gray hair that pops up on top of your head, you can get to appreciate moments and milestones like this. So very, very special.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, LeBron and Curry, incredible nights. So I want to go back to the Luca thing, and I'm not. I would have made the deal, too, if I was. The Lakers absolutely would have made the deal. I think they stole him. But would you acknowledge J. Mac? Would you acknowledge because there's two players in the NBA that you loved because you're a bit of a gunner who doesn't defend, but you. There's two players in the NBA that you loved and I thought were great, but I never thought Tatum was a top three player when Marcus Smart was taking the ball from him. And they had to get Marcus Smart out of town. You don't have to trade people because they're taking it away from Kobe or mj. So I like Tatum a lot. I think he's a top 10 player. I was never as hot. My take on Luca was he's a much better Carmelo. But when you watch him and you watch LeBron's energy are. Can you acknowledge now that he should. Should. Even with his inactivity, he should be better than he is right now.

[Toron Armstead]

All right. It's Friday, right? I know you have a big weekend plan. I don't want to send you off to the weekend in a bad mood, but this Luca is Carmelo Anthony nonsense better. It's got to stop. Luca's, like, top 10 in the league and assist every year. Carmelo Anthony was allergic to passing. Literally. He would, like, break out in hides if he had to pass the basketball. That's why he didn't like Jeremy Lin. I don't want to pass to this guy. Get him out of town. Luca makes everyone on his team better. He carried the Mavs to the finals last year. Carmelo couldn't carry a team anywhere.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I said Syracuse.

[Toron Armstead]

That's it.

[Colin Cowherd]

But defense and being in elite shape, both are very similar, and they're both brilliant. Naturally gifted at 19 years old, mellow at Syracuse and Luke in the NBA were 10 years ahead of players. I mean, they were literally.

[Toron Armstead]

You know who else is not in shape? Patrick Mahomes and his dad bod. Dwight Howard, at the height of his powers in the NBA was eating crap candy like you and I eat. Remember, he would eat Skittles and all that crap. Like, just don't. You're going overboard on Luka, man. He's. He's going through a tough stretch with a new team, a new city, you know, I know he's talking to real estate agents, looking at some real estate.

[Colin Cowherd]

Out here in la, like by the beach.

[Toron Armstead]

He's got a lot. Stop. He's got a lot going on. Colin, let's. Let's give him a break.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's.

[Toron Armstead]

The injury.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think he's great. And I said this the other day. I think his ability to pass the ball up the floor, it's not in the half court stuff. His ability to get the rebound and get it up the floor, it's very yic.

[Toron Armstead]

He's got Magic Johnson vision. Yeah, no, he finds guys over the head over there.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not denying that. I'm just saying Minnesota got a call and they're like, no way. We're not giving up Ant. And I believe most NBA Die Hards think Luke is better than Anthony. And Minnesota was like, no, thank you, Luca. Better than I think Luke has been.

[Toron Armstead]

I don't think there's any debate there.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Toron Armstead]

Anthony Edwards is awesome, and I love him. He's one of my top, like, seven.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay? But Minnesota was like, no, because people tell you who they are.

[Toron Armstead]

Well, Luke. You think Luke is gonna stay in Minnesota if they traded him there? Well, I don't definitely not stay in there. I don't even know if Anthony Edwards will stay there. And hey, by the way, somebody just sent me something on the Steph Curry flurry that you talked about earlier. So last night, Charles Barkley, when they were showing the curry 12 threes, he goes, oh, this is a fluke. That's the kind of hate I'm talking about. No, and it's not made up. It's no. I. Barkley's like, oh, there's a fluke. Curry has, according to the NBA account, the most games with nine or more threes in NBA history by like a mile. He has like 45.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he's the greatest shooter in league history.

[Toron Armstead]

Calling it a fluke. Like, what are you doing, Charles?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's not funny.

[Toron Armstead]

That's stupid.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I just go. I think he's, I think he's poking people in the ribs. I think without question, there are certain things that are true. Kareem had the most unstoppable shot in league history. Steph Curry's the greatest shooter in NBA history. And Michael Jordan is the most relentless offensive player in league history. Yeah, Michael could have averaged 45 a game easily if he wanted to. He was unstoppable offensively.

[Toron Armstead]

He also never won anything without Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson. Whatever. That's neither here nor there. Okay, so I, I hear the laughter in the ear, what you talk about.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Nikki Glaser]

Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

[Steve Covino]

Peja 5 Dirk Ford.

[Toron Armstead]

Peja is elite. I'm mad him I left him off my list, but I still like my list.

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You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

[Steve Covino]

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Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.

[Steve Covino]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Wake the neighbors, tell your friends you want to watch the next 20 minutes. Toront Armstead, 12 years in the NFL. A five time Pro Bowler. Started with the Saints, went to the Dolphins. One of the great multi left tackles. Pass blocking, run blocking in the NFL for a long time. Could play. Still available. We'll get into that in a second. This guy's full of personality. You know what's always interesting, I'm fascinated by this. How in the hell did you end up being overlooked by SEC teams? It didn't take you very long to be good in the NFL. You went to Arkansas. Pine Bluff. I know where Arkansas is. I don't know where the Pine or the Bluff is at. Why were you a late bloomer?

[Toron Armstead]

I think my area was just overlooked. My high school was behind the times as far as exposure.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Toron Armstead]

Putting putting the eyes on guys and getting the tape to where it was available. You know, I was still vhs. Very, very. A lot of static.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like Josh Allen. Same thing.

[Toron Armstead]

Oh really?

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh no. I mean literally didn't get a single college offer.

[Toron Armstead]

Oh wow.

[Colin Cowherd]

Played out in the sticks in Northern California.

[Toron Armstead]

Well, same situation. Yeah. So if you were watching my film, you would have to kind of figure out which of those dots were me. And we Liked that guy. And it didn't happen for me.

[Colin Cowherd]

Did you know, did you go to the combine?

[Toron Armstead]

I did.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. When did you know I'm better than that guy. I'm better than that guy. Like, when did you know I'm going to play in this league?

[Toron Armstead]

I wouldn't say the combine was that. That situation for me. Combine helped me get more eyes and more exposure. I had broke the 40 yard dash record for the offensive lineman. Ran 4, 6, 5, too. So look at that. Yeah. So that, that just helped me get my name out and got more people to watch my film. My college film had some static too, but it was more dvd. It wasn't VHS no more, so it's hard to see that too. But combine helped me tremendously. But as far as, like, which guy that I feel like I could play against or I'm better than never really been my thing. I went to the East West Shrine Game and then got invited to the Senior bowl the next week. So those two weeks were probably the most revealing for me as far as level of talent, because I kept hearing that through the process, your level of talent that you played against is going to be different than the SEC guys. So first one on one, I'll tell you a quick story. First one on one at the Senior Bowl, I got there late. I line up, it's a DM from Georgia. I don't remember his name. And I'm like, this is my moment. I jumped at him, threw his ass five yards and jumped on him. Everything. Like, I blacked out. And that was my, my, like right then. And there was my moment of, you can do this, you can play at this level.

[Colin Cowherd]

I love stories like that. I love that stuff. The. You know, it's funny, we were talking during the break. I love Sean Payton. Sean Payton facetimed me last night in Indy. And you played for him for years. And he is very blunt. He and Russell Wilson. Russell's Mr. Optimism, Sean's Mr. Authentic Honesty. Like, it. It clashed.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

You didn't like Sean early?

[Toron Armstead]

I didn't. I didn't like him at all my first three, four years. But I appreciated him. Like, I appreciated his coaching style. He's very direct, he was very aggressive, but he wasn't personable at all. Like, I couldn't say nothing to him, couldn't make a suggestion or opinion or anything. Only time he talked to you was if you messed up, that was it. Like, he was not a pat on the back guy at all. So as a young player coming from Arkansas, Pine Bluff, I was Looking for a little. You know what I mean? A little something.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Toron Armstead]

But everything that he taught me in those first four years, it stuck with me, and it taught me what's important. Doing your job, execution. Play after play, game after game. And I couldn't. I can't thank the man enough. And then later on, my last five years together, we became best friends. And I love him to death. The stories that he has and the moments we've shared together. He went the extra mile for me. 2020. During COVID my brother passed away and we couldn't travel. So, you know, was looking like I wouldn't be able to go to the funeral, and I'm like, I'm driving if that's the case. But it's middle of the week, and Sean called me to his office and he's like, Mrs. Benson. I told her the situation. We're taking her plane. We're going to the funeral. I'm like, what you mean, we? He's like, I'm coming with you. We're going to the. And he came up to my hometown. Me, him, Dan Roshar. He just signed with the Bears as the O line coach. Alvin Kamara and Latavius Murray, and we all went to the funeral together. And Sean was amongst the people, and he helped my family, like, genuinely had people laughing and smiling at really the toughest time of our lives. So forever, forever grateful for that, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, somebody said on the staff, they said, hey, Tehran is going to give you crap about Steph Curry, who dropped 56 last night. What. What are you going to say to me? I was very complimentary today of Steph Curry.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah. No, so now you. Now that you mentioned it, and it's about eight years ago that you said this.

[Colin Cowherd]

Eight years ago. Yeah.

[Toron Armstead]

I've been holding on to that. I've been waiting for you. Yeah. So, okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

Eight years.

[Toron Armstead]

I honestly don't even remember what you said. I just know at the moment I didn't like it. Didn't like it one bit.

[Colin Cowherd]

What'd I say it was?

[Toron Armstead]

Can he win a championship, you know, by himself? Does he need X, Y and Z to do it? It was something crazy. Just. Just outrageous.

[Colin Cowherd]

And it just bothered you?

[Toron Armstead]

It bothered me so bad.

[Colin Cowherd]

But you know what? It's funny about Steph Curry. He goes to Davidson, so none of us watch him. Small school. You and him have something in common. He has ankle issues. Ankle issues. He's not very good defensively at all.

[Toron Armstead]

My ankles. My ankle's pretty good. I heard everything else, but ankles were Good.

[Colin Cowherd]

But he was, he had to develop into something. I know what you me and there was, there were talk they were going to keep Monte Ellis and, and move him like there. That was. Jerry west is like we're not doing that. I think it was Jerry west or somebody in the organization. And the truth is is that I do think the jet fuel to players like you and Curry and I've said this about this year's quarterback draft. They're all getting crushed.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

It. This is a mob.

[Toron Armstead]

That's a fact.

[Colin Cowherd]

And what makes Curry so great is that he just, he just always works at his craft. And I think sometimes, and I see this a little with Luca Luka was so good at 16 beating European men. He's still not in good shape. Like with. The harder things are to attain, the more it fuels you for the rest of your life. Steph Curry will be competitive golfing itself. 74.

[Toron Armstead]

That's a fact.

[Colin Cowherd]

Because of Davidson.

[Toron Armstead]

That's a fact.

[Colin Cowherd]

And, and go into your life. The fact you were doubted even today.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does it take you because you were, I think you were graded top four, third best, top three tackle last year.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does it still drive you crazy? Do you feel disrespected by that?

[Toron Armstead]

I do. I do. And that, that to your point, that's what drew me to Steph Curry. Like to be become a fan of. Of Steph Curry is all the. The noise and for him to use it as fuel and to work. Like to work, to work, to work to become what he has become. I took the same approach. I had to work overtime to go from Arkansas, Pine Bluff and be a small school guy, underachiever, all those things. Whatever. To be a five time Pro Bowler all Pro. You know what I mean? And it's still like you say to this day, third rate tackle this year, whatever whose grades or metrics. But I just always got to prove myself and I'm okay with that because I love the grind, I love the work, I love getting better, I love the progression. It's just a part of who I am.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I've said this before. NFL's obviously rewarding financially offensive players over defensive players. But I've said there's a handful of defensive players in my life. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald. They're just different. Myles Garrett is pretty close to. To that and I. My argument is if you give him a winning environment, he'll play even better. Like LeBron looks better now that Lucas there for sure. I mean Steph's playing better, Jimmy Butler's there It's like they're showing off and like, okay, everybody's watching my games now. How many times have you faced Miles Garrett and. And physically he should have more body fat at that size. Is he a tough matchup even for you?

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah, yeah. I've played him three times, I would say. I think we played the first time in 2018. That is a top three, one on one O line versus D line battle. I went and watched it again probably two months ago. It's a dog fight. I won. I did. I'mma just put that out. I won. But if you go back and watch that game, I got no help. He got no help. He lined up here, I lined up here and we went at it for the entire game. 2018, go watch that.

[Colin Cowherd]

So the next day when you wake up, be honest with me.

[Toron Armstead]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is it hard to get out of bed when you place somebody at that level?

[Toron Armstead]

For sure. For sure. That you get a physical dog fight like that, Somebody that's like. Really? It's like a train wreck. For sure. It says you feel every part of it. Your neck, back, shoulders, for sure. No question about it.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, Matt Stafford just reached an agreement with the Rams.

[Toron Armstead]

Oh, wow. So we got.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Raiders came after him. But it was interesting. According to Diana Rossini, the Raiders only offered two years, which is what the Rams are offering. So the trade speculation talk is done. The first significant off season quarterback domino has fallen. The Rams and Stafford, according to Adam Schefter, have reached an agreement on a restructured deal. My guess is two years. I'm not sure about the money. Stafford's pretty unique. You know what I always appreciate about Stafford? A lot of these older quarterbacks don't want to get hit.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Matt will sit in there fearless to the last half second.

[Toron Armstead]

Fearless.

[Colin Cowherd]

You've hit him a few times. I mean, you've. You hit him. You've been in games against Stafford.

[Toron Armstead]

Yep.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are there. Is there a secret code the quarterbacks? Like Breeze was a smaller quarterback for sure as he got older. Tell me what it's like to protect like Tua.

[Toron Armstead]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

We got concussions. He don't want to get. He don't want to get hit. Do you feel a responsibility because of Tua's concussions? Does that add pressure to you?

[Toron Armstead]

It's pressure playing that position anyway, being. Being the front line. Like, I had two smaller quarterback. I've had two smaller quarterbacks my career. Drew Brees and Tour.

[Colin Cowherd]

Those have been your guys.

[Toron Armstead]

Those have been my guys.

[Colin Cowherd]

Those are the comp. By the way, Tua breezes to his comp.

[Toron Armstead]

For sure. For sure. And for good reason, too. It's not, it's not for nothing. He, he's.

[Colin Cowherd]

He.

[Toron Armstead]

Is that from that claw? So the stressful part, and it's, it's, it's real life stress. Like, it's anxiety that goes on in pass protection. Like, that's like the worst thing in the world is to get your quarterback hit to me. So if I give up a sack, like, no matter how I've played for the rest of the game, it doesn't matter. My day is ruined. It's ruined. I get the quarterback hit.

[Colin Cowherd]

You only gave up three last year.

[Toron Armstead]

I don't think two of those are on me. So we got to go back and watch the film. Yeah, that's a lot of factors goes into that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is there a guy in the league that gave you more trouble and he wasn't a high draft pick?

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, we've always said this. There are guys in the NBA, they have maybe a weird body or whatever. But if you ask, players are like. I mean, I remember Dominique Wilkins telling me, he goes, I love playing mj, Right. I did not sleep playing Bernard King. Bernard could just say, I'm scoring 54 tonight. He goes, I couldn't stop him. He goes, I hated playing him. Is there a guy in the league that you're like. Because Max Crosby talks a lot of trash.

[Toron Armstead]

He does.

[Colin Cowherd]

And he's a fourth. I think he's a fourth rounder. Is there a guy in the league that you maybe not sleep quite as well the night before?

[Toron Armstead]

No. I would say I feel the same way as Dominique. Like, I would rather block Miles Garrett and Max Crosby. Wow. I would. I would. It's the guy that just got elevated off practice squad. I'm terrified of him. I'm scared to death. He is. He's in his stance. He got his. His leg is shaking. God damn. He's about to rush with everything in his.

[Colin Cowherd]

Intimidating. No, no, the scout who you talk.

[Toron Armstead]

Who's the practice squad guy? That's. That just got elevated this week. They told him on Wednesday, hey, you're going to play this week.

[Colin Cowherd]

You might not get me terrified.

[Toron Armstead]

I'm fearful. Yeah. I don't want to see him. Give me Max. Give me Miles Garrett. Yeah. With that practice squad I got, it just called up. I don't want no smoke with that young man.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's got nothing but energy.

[Toron Armstead]

Nothing but energy. He's gonna run through my face mask over and over, and I throw him to the ground. But I'M like, supposed to. So it's like, you know what I mean? He gonna get up and do it again? I don't want to see him.

[Colin Cowherd]

You've made your money. You can retire today. But you play outside of quarterback, the most important position in the sport. Sport. If a good team called you up and said, dude, two years, would you. Would you go play?

[Toron Armstead]

I'm on a good team, so no.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you wouldn't. You're not gonna play.

[Toron Armstead]

I'm on a good team already.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I know, but I mean.

[Toron Armstead]

So nobody else can call me you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Would you. This is it.

[Toron Armstead]

I'm. Yeah. Dolphins only. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And that's it.

[Toron Armstead]

That's it.

[Colin Cowherd]

But you're. You're. You're kind of pausing.

[Toron Armstead]

I'm not. I think his natural pauses in a conversation. You know what I mean?

[Colin Cowherd]

That's funny. So what do you do now? You're young. How old are you? 33. Okay. You got. You got some money.

[Toron Armstead]

You've had a career. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you do? What is an. Most people retire. I'm 60 and still working. The average person.

[Toron Armstead]

Great man.

[Colin Cowherd]

65, 66. You're 33 and can wrap it up. What do you do?

[Toron Armstead]

I weigh my options. Right. I feel like being in the league for so long, having a successful career, and I've done well financially, it gives me cushion and room to make a decision like this and to see if I want to continue to go out and compete in pursuit of a championship. That's the goal. Like that. Honestly. Honestly speaking, that is. That's the goal. So it's a lot of factors that goes into that. A lot of health, for sure. But then kids, my kids getting older. My twin girls are about to be teenagers. Pray for me, please. So those type of things are factors for sure. The Dolphins have been incredible and graceful, allowing me this time. I know you've seen the contract restructure that we. We just came to. It worked well for all parties. It allowed me a little bit more time to think and allowed them to do whatever they need to do necessary to improve the team.

[Colin Cowherd]

They made you an offer, the Dolphins. Have you said restructure?

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah, we restructured. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

You haven't signed it?

[Toron Armstead]

Not physically.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are you going to?

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Again, you're pausing. What does that mean? You're pausing when I ask you, are you gonna sign the contract?

[Toron Armstead]

What the restructure is, is like, I took my projected salary down to minimum. Okay. So it allows the Dolphins to do with the new space, cap space, to do whatever they need to do to improve the team. It allows me the time to make a decision whether I want to keep playing or not. So if I decide, hey, we're doing this, I'm locking in. Let's go. Then we have another conversation.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Matt Stafford broke news. You could do it right after.

[Toron Armstead]

I could, but I want to let Matt have his day. Who would I be to take his shine? And then they only talk about me today, you know?

[Colin Cowherd]

All right. You know, you've. You've had Sha Payton's intensity as a coach.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Dan Campbell's almost. He's a player who. And now you've got this wizard, this, like MIT. Mike McDaniel. Be honest about Mike McDaniel. First time you saw him, did you say he's going to stand in front of us? He's a little different, right?

[Toron Armstead]

No, not at all. Not at all. My first time I saw him was. I was on a visit. So it was one on one. And he just came in. He came in with energy, man. He was excited. He had just got there three, four days before, you know what I mean? So he didn't know where his pens and paper was. He's a funky. Yeah, he is for sure. He's different. He's different, but that's okay because it's genuinely him and that's what I appreciate. It's not a front, it's not an act. It's him. And you spend time with him, you'll see that. And you have a deeper appreciation for him.

[Colin Cowherd]

Charon Armstead. You know, you're always welcome.

[Toron Armstead]

Appreciate it.

[Colin Cowherd]

You can always come by the show.

[Toron Armstead]

You come to my show, too. I don't have one yet, but one day when I do, you let me tell you something. Free to come through.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is a dead end career. There's no reason to do this. You hang out with your beautiful twin daughters. Are they athletes?

[Toron Armstead]

What are they? Yeah, basketball players. Best sixth grade team in the country. Going to AU Nationals again. Yeah, back to back. We're doing it.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you weigh right now, by the way? That's personal. What do you weigh?

[Toron Armstead]

About 285.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you play at?

[Toron Armstead]

298, 300.

[Colin Cowherd]

Dude, that's a light tackle for you to be that good at that weight.

[Toron Armstead]

Appreciate it. Strong.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you. This is a weird question. If I said max reps. Bench. What do you bench? This is. It's a weird question.

[Toron Armstead]

What's. What's bench?

[Colin Cowherd]

Huh?

[Toron Armstead]

I'm not benching no more.

[Colin Cowherd]

You don't bench?

[Toron Armstead]

No. Not max reps. No, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're just doing light stuff. Trying to keep tone.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah, I, I get what I need to get in a lot of Pilates and stuff like that. Really? How about that Core strength.

[Colin Cowherd]

How about that?

[Toron Armstead]

Yes. When I grab them, it's. Yeah. No getting away.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Matt Stafford is signed with the Rams. We'll say it again.

[Toron Armstead]

Congrats, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, that's, that's so. So we said we thought the Raiders were in play but in the end the Rams wanted that first Raiders pick and probably a second and the Raiders said that's a little bit too much. So Stafford, whose legacy again, if you give him a second super bowl, that's Elway, that's Peyton Manning, that's Big Ben. Don't forget how a quarterback's career ends goes a long way in forming that legacy. Right now Stafford's considered great. He becomes an all time great with a second super bowl. And the Rams are in that short little window where they could do it. Great meeting you heard Line news Next live in la, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[Nikki Glaser]

Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Go Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

[Steve Covino]

Asia 5 Dirk 4 Paja is a okay, okay.

[Toron Armstead]

I'm Madam. I left them off my list, but I still like my list.

[Nikki Glaser]

You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

[Steve Covino]

That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

[Nikki Glaser]

Yes, absolutely.

[Steve Covino]

Love it.

[Nikki Glaser]

Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.

[Steve Covino]

When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.

[Nikki Glaser]

Listen to Goat G O T e greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Toron Armstead]

The fastest racing on earth is coming to Fox. The 2025 Indy car season gets underway in St. Petersburg, the first stop on the road to the Indy 500. Sunday at noon Eastern live on Fox. And one of the top drivers, Scott McLaughlin, was on the facility this morning and had some fun with Shady McCoy. Take a listen.

I just need to know this man and tell me the truth. Don't lie to me, all right? Because I got a lot of confidence like you confident. And I got a Bentley, right? My Bentley Go 200 plus on a dash.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right?

[Toron Armstead]

Do I have a chance? You've got zero chance, my man. I'm sorry, there's just no way. But look, I'm happy you come along, you come be a passenger, come enjoy.

[Colin Cowherd]

It, come watch the race.

[Toron Armstead]

But yeah, you'll never drive as fast as me, bro.

[Colin Cowherd]

I've been, by the way, Fox this year had the super bowl, the Indy 500, the Daytona 500 and the world Series. And I've stabbed. If you've ever stood next to an Indy car, you cannot believe how fast they are. And they're on the ground, they're so low to the ground, it is like nothing you've ever seen. It's an incredible experience live. Nothing like it. All right, okay. By the way, Matt Stafford is re signed with the Rams. I thought the Raiders had a real shot. According to Schefter, the New York Giants, now that they're out of the Matt Stafford race, are considering other veteran quarterback options, including Aaron Rodgers. I don't know how I feel about that. Aaron, I think he bought a place over in Hoboken or something on the hill overlooking the city. I think if I. If our memory serves me correctly. So the Rams. Listen, you know what it tells me? It tells me, if possible, the Rams will take a left tackle with their first pick. They. They don't want to pay a left tackle. And Stafford and Cooper cup, they've tried to move off Cooper cup to put the name out there. So that. That means they're paying Stafford big boy money. I don't know what the number is. My guess, it's around 50 million for two years. I'm guessing. I have no idea. But that does tell me in the draft they have to address. They got to go get a starting tackle because Haven Stein, right tackle, makes good money getting near the end. The left tackle. I think he's a free agent.

[Toron Armstead]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So they want to restart the clock on left tackle because they're paying cop. They're paying Stafford, they're paying Haven't Stein, they're paying their tight end. They're paying nobody on defense. But I think. I think this tells you they're going to go if they can left tackle in the first round of the draft. And at the end of the first round, Josh Connerly from Oregon, there's a kid from Minnesota we talked about yesterday. So there's a couple of good OTs. There's not a great left tackle in this draft. But mid late first round, that kid out of Oregon's getting better every year. They got a shot. But that's what that tells me, that offensive tackle with match new deal is going to become a priority.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah. The problem now becomes what do you do if you're the Giants and the Raiders, they had, you know, they were all in on Stafford. They tried. He stayed with the Rams. Now you got Brian Dable fighting for his job in New York. Do you make a play for Aaron Rodgers? Like, do you have, hey, come cross town quarterback us? I don't know that they're good. Their offensive line is a dumpster fire right now. And what do the Raiders do, Colin, like Pete Carroll, new on the job. You're not getting Shador. He's not falling the six. He's gonna go two. It's gonna be Cam Ward and Shador at the top. And a lot of teams now, does Sam Darnold get paid by somebody? Because.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, no, no.

[Toron Armstead]

This is not many options.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no.

[Toron Armstead]

This domino falling.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is not a bad day for Aaron Rodgers and Sam Darnold. Not bad at all. J. Mac with the news.

[Toron Armstead]

No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herd line news.

[Toron Armstead]

A little more breaking news in the NFL. If you remember, the Giants had a debacle, letting Saquon walk in free agency to the Eagles. And that was all televised. Well, now, the NFL could not find a team to do hard knocks offseason. So they went to a guy with a lot of NFL experience, Bill Belichick. So Bill Belichick and the North Carolina Tar Heels will be featured.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wow.

[Toron Armstead]

On Hard Knocks off season. This is a genius move by Belichick. It's a massive recruiting tool. Right. To have a college football program on HBO televised. You know, it's going to get a Lot of media coverage. I think this is smart by Belichick showing now that there's a different side to Bill. He's not the old grumpy guy with the hoodie in the holes. He's a new dude. I think this is a home run for.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's really interesting. Bill had a comment, it was about two months ago, how he was. He talked about ownership in the NFL and that if you. There are too many owners now, too many billionaires, and you don't really have control of the football operation. And the one thing you do as a college coach, you have control of the football operation. And I think it shows us that Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells may have been different people, but the one thing, the line that neither one wants to cross is Parcells left Dallas and New England when he didn't feel he had control. Right? And that, that is. And I, and I look at that, right, like. And I think Belichick has shown you with this college thing, letting HBO in tells you, I'm here for a couple years. I'm sure his girlfriend will be the star of the show. But needless to say, I think it does make me. It makes me hearken Back to that 3 month ago Comment where as the league's owners have gotten richer and more impulsive and more meddling, Bill just doesn't feel like when he only got one team to look at him, he may have just said, the hell with the NFL. Like, I just don't want to be there anymore. That's what it makes me feel like doing this show. Like he's making like he's in for this thing.

[Toron Armstead]

So you, like, just imagine this scenario. The AD at North Carolina, whoever he is, is upset with Belichick. Over $2 million on some player. Can you imagine that conversation? The ad going to Bill, Bill, we're over budget here. Belichick's gonna look at him, be like, I make triple your salary. I don't want to hear it. HBO's On Campus. Be quiet, stay in your place. I'm going to run the football court. Nobody's telling Belichick what to do at North Carolina, right? Nobody but Kraft. Remember, he famously said, you've got to trade Garoppolo because you know, Brady wants to be here for the long haul. And Belichick was, like, upset with that. Power and control is very important. Bill Belichick has all of it right now. Colin. Next up is Steph Curry's masterclass last night. What a performance. 12 threes on his way to 56 points. Warriors, another win since acquiring Jimmy Butler. Steph's been huge, obviously, but Jimmy Butler as well. Listen to Jamal Mosley, the Orlando coach, talk about Steph Curry.

The man had 56 points. There is no aside from Steph. He had 56.

You gotta love that 56 points, Colin. And they were like, well, what else was going on? Steph Curry now most 50 point games after turning 35 or older.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now, Jalen Suggs did not play. Who's a very good defender for Orlando. Yeah, he did not play. That helps. It was one of the. In Orlando's a good defensive team, but Suggs is a. He is a defensive baller. He's intense.

[Toron Armstead]

You know, that's my guy. If Curry wants to go for 50, he's going to get 50.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay?

[Toron Armstead]

Nobody can stop him. Suggs is a great defender. I guess the real question, Colin, do you think they're back in the championship discussion? Are they on the fridge like your super bowl bubble? If you had an NBA Finals bubble, Championship bubble.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, that's good.

[Toron Armstead]

Would the warriors be in there or on the fringe?

[Colin Cowherd]

If I had an NBA championship bubble. So my NFL bubble is usually about seven teams. I would say Celtics, Cavs, okc, Lakers.

[Toron Armstead]

Nuggets.

[Colin Cowherd]

Nuggets, Knicks. I don't. I don't think the Knicks. I think the Knicks in the west would be even more exposed defensively.

[Toron Armstead]

Bucks.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I think the warriors are one of those teams in the super bowl bubble that I put just on the outside. I don't know if offensively they can keep up with A Lakers, Austin, Rui, LeBron. I mean, the Lakers right now played poorly on offense last night and still dropped what they dropped. I still, I think Jimmy Butler helps, but I think they can still be very. Steph. Dependent on their best nights. But they're close.

[Toron Armstead]

Yeah. Steph Curry, tremendous night.

[Colin Cowherd]

Final story.

[Toron Armstead]

Colin is last hour. We talked about Cam Ward. This hour, let's talk about Shadour Sanders. He met with the media yesterday and said he doesn't understand how people are.

Evaluating when people say I'm not, you know, one of the top quarterbacks or the top quarterback is. What are y'all going based off of? Because I did it year, year after year after year. Then you see the progression. So, like, obviously it got to be some type of external hate that you have for the family, for the last name, for anything, because I know I proved myself on the field.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I think people like him, actually. I. I think one of the strengths he has is people think he's a Good kid. They like him. I think. Also, never forget when Andrew Luck. Remember a week before the draft, everybody was like, I don't know if Andrew Luck's got a good arm. We nitpicked these guys to death. Like, Shadour is an NFL starting quarterback. How great he is, I don't know.

[Toron Armstead]

You have had one. I would say one of your most famous takes on the Herd has to do with backwards hats at podiums. I know it's usually reserved for quarterbacks. And a certain day. Does that Shador video right there apply? Because that was a backwards hat at the combine.

[Colin Cowherd]

I. I'm not. I'm not. Not really freaking me out yet. Let me look at the. Can we show it again? I'm not a backwards hat guy for quarterbacks.

[Toron Armstead]

I could barely see the hat because the necklace.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I don't. I don't love it, but the combine is just. You're in street clothes, and I don't. I. You know, I. It's not. You're not representing anybody.

[Toron Armstead]

He doesn't play Microsoft ad.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I mean, seriously. He doesn't play for Colorado. He doesn't play for an NFL team. He doesn't have an employer. So who is he representing?

[Toron Armstead]

Signaling to your employers. This is how I am.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, just. He doesn't have an employer. I'm more concerned that I am sitting in front of bank of America Philadelphia Eagles Wednesday, representing the organization. I don't like that look. That is. This kid doesn't have an employer right now.

[Toron Armstead]

Correct. Do you remember the first time I met you? What if I had rolled up, jacket open backwards, hat, necklace like that? What would be the first impression?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I'll tell you right now, I would not have hired you. Because. Because if that was a job interview and that's how you rolled up, this is not. I guess you could argue it's a little bit of a job interview.

[Toron Armstead]

Combine is certainly a job interview. I mean, obviously.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm just saying I don't love it, and I'm not.

[Toron Armstead]

Listen, I don't want to be saying I'm critical. I'm just trying to get you to your place where you bash him.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I'm not bashing him. I don't love it. I. I bet you Dion calls him.

[Toron Armstead]

And says, hey, turn that hat around. Interesting. What's your relationship like with Dion, by the way?

[Colin Cowherd]

I. I don't have one.

[Toron Armstead]

Okay. Yeah, I told you. Last time I interviewed him, he hung up on me after, like, four questions.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Toron Armstead]

Like 10 years ago.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, what did you ask?

[Toron Armstead]

Well, of course I'm going to ask tough questions. That's what I do.

[Colin Cowherd]

You are a journalist. The show, this show only asks tough questions. There's no layups. There's no layup drill on this show.

[Toron Armstead]

Taron Armstadt was sweating during some of that interview.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he won't commit if he's staying or playing. So I wanted to break news on the show. So I kept pressing it.

[Toron Armstead]

That was clear.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we are newsbreakers.

[Toron Armstead]

Bastion of journalism.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. CNN watches us for tips on journalism. J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. Matt Stafford is a ram. Let's guess the number. Two years, 100 million guaranteed. You think that's right?

[Toron Armstead]

I got two years, 105.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Toron Armstead]

70 million guaranteed.

[Colin Cowherd]

Stars don't want to leave LA. I like. They like playing here.

[Toron Armstead]

How about you? You love it out here?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I love it. You know, it's great.

[Unknown Speaker]

This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glaser podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's got to stop. So join us at I heart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following.

[Nikki Glaser]

Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curr. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called the Greatest of Their era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

[Steve Covino]

Peja 5 Dirk 4 Peja is a link.

[Nikki Glaser]

You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

[Steve Covino]

That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

[Nikki Glaser]

Yes, absolutely.

[Steve Covino]

Love it.

[Nikki Glaser]

Listen to go G o t e Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.