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Jim Harbaugh (3:03)

Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. It is hour two. It is great to have you in. This is the Herd. Nick Wright in five minutes. So, J. Mac, Shohei Ohtani. We talked about this yesterday about how if. What was the thing we talked about yesterday? We said if. If I said to you, you're not gonna believe what Blank did in sports. The two people I would put in there are Caitlin Clark and Shohei Otani. Caitlin Clark had 38 seconds this weekend in the WNBA. It was the greatest, most exhilarating 38 seconds in WNBA history. She was shooting 33 footers. Bang, bang, bang. Demanding the ball. It was. It didn't look real. Okay, so Ohtani pitch last night against the Padres. By the way, he is now pitching and hitting. The Padres sent out their ace because he's pitching. He came up to face the race. No practice swings. He threw over 100 miles an hour. And Dave Roberts is to a point now where he is the Dodgers manager. But he acknowledges it's hard not to just be a fan of Shohei Ohtani.

Nick Wright (4:26)

I thought the stuff was really good. Much better as far as the fastball velocity than I think anyone anticipated. Hit 100. You know, I was thinking 95 to 97. But I think that just a competitor adrenaline came out in him to see him come into the dugout from the pen. All that stuff. I was kind of fanboying for like a half an inning.

Jim Harbaugh (4:48)

So even in high school baseball, kids become what they call POS pitchers only like, like we know in baseball that how, how taxing just pitching is. I mean you'll often hear this in the postseason. I don't know if we could throw Verlander on short rest. You know what rest. Ohtani gets four and a half minutes in the dugout until he's hitting. I mean it's insane that he is an ace in 2025 with how specialized pitching is. This is Derrick Henry of the Ravens being the leading tackler for Baltimore at linebacker or Patrick Mahomes being the top edge rusher in the conference. I mean it's just insane. He is the best player in bait. The gap between Ohtani and the second best baseball Player and that second best player, maybe Mookie Betts. And he even. He gets engulfed by the gravitas and the talent of Ohtani. And, you know, a lot of times you hear about the Mount Rushmore. I would. There are a handful of athletes, I would call them. They make the. The mount just more. They're just more than even the second best person in their sport. Michael Phelps would be on my mount just more. 10 more Olympic medals than anybody else. 14 more gold medals than anybody else. When I was a kid growing up, it was like Mark Spitz. I mean, it's an afterthought. And by the way, if you're saying, well, how come there are so many faces? That's why it's called Mount Just More. We even have just more faces. Number two would be Usain Bolt. Three straight Olympics, 100 and 200 meter champion, three consecutive Olympics. As an old man, he was the world's fastest guy in two events. I would say Wayne Gretzky at 1.8 straight MVPs. Wayne Gretzky would be on the mount just more. That's like when he's 23 years old. Also, he still holds 55 NHL records. Now think about how fast hockey is, how international it is, and how good the athletes are. He still shares or holds 55 career NHL records. Serena Williams in the open era, 23 more major women singles titles than anybody else. And by the way, a dominant doubles player. Singles, doubles, dominant. Tiger woods. Highest career earnings, lowest career average, and literally change courses. I think it's fair to say he like changed equipment and changed courses. And I think then you have to go on my mount just more. It's got to be Ohtani in a specialized world of sports, where in high school, if a guy is a great pitcher, that's just what he's going to do. First player in Bell, by the way, he's not only a great hitter, he's not only an ace. He'll steal you 54 bases. I mean, it's just insane what Ohtani does last night. He's pitching, goes to the dugout, comes out Padres throwing their ace. He doesn't even warm up. He just goes pitching. Boom, gloves off, I'm gonna go hit. There's just nothing like it. I mean, even, even Dave Roberts, I'm gonna fanboy a little bit. And with that, Nick Wright is joining us live. First things first.

Joy Taylor (8:22)

Oh, man, I kind of felt like that was.

Jim Harbaugh (8:25)

Oh, that was owed to Nick Wright. That was a Nick Wright segment.

Colin Cowherd (8:29)

Well, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have had six people on a Mount Rushmore to start with. You could have just, you could have just taken your middle four. Can I, can I do my biannual? It's not anti Michael Phelps, but it's anti swim metal inflation rant. If I may, how come it's the craziest thing? The greatest Olympian ever was a swimmer and now the greatest Olympian ever is a swimmer. You know why? Because they don't tell Usain Bolt, hey, buddy, you can win five gold medals in the hundred, run it backwards, run it forwards, hop, skip, like it's such a farce. This idea that because Simone Biles has a limited amount of medals, she can win. Bolt has a limited number of medals. The swimmers, it's the same distance four different strokes. So that's. So I'd clip him. And on Ohtani, here is my only question for you, Colin, because he hasn't pitched in a couple of years.

Jim Harbaugh (9:35)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (9:36)

Until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher, hasn't his place forget a top mount, just more in history right now, this moment. He's not the best player in baseball. Aaron Judge is right. Because Judge has been demonstrably a better hitter this year. Like, I mean, he just has been. If we want to hold the postseason stuff, that's fine. Like, the whole idea of Ohtani is you're getting a pitching and a hitting or a plus and a minus. Whatever it is, I need him to start pitching again. I know he threw the inning last night, but before he gets elevated there or I mean, you're, you're ready. I mean, I know you already. You coined better than Babe, which was great. But you know, this year I don't know that he's been better than Bets because he's just playing the one position. So is that, is, is that not fair?

Jim Harbaugh (10:30)

Well, I mean, it's like, I mean, where I look at it was he was an ace in an all star game. I don't need 20 years of being a dominant pitcher. If, if one year, if one year Mahomes made the Pro bowl as a corner cover, I'd be like, I don't need a second. That, that checks the box.

Colin Cowherd (10:50)

That's fair. Well, then listen, you might need to edge out. Maybe you can. If you're leaving it at 6, maybe you can remove. Get ready to remove Phelps for my guy, Travis Hunter, because my guy, Trevor Lawrence about to help him be an all pro receiver. And you just want to see moments of brilliance playing both ways. So maybe Travis can take that next spot.

Nick Wright (11:10)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Harbaugh (11:11)

Hopefully he'd play a game before we anoint him to that position.

Colin Cowherd (11:13)

Okay, so Ohtani pitched one inning last night and you've got him as the best player in baseball again.

Jim Harbaugh (11:22)

Again because he's previously been an ace at an All Star game.

Colin Cowherd (11:25)

That's fair. That's fair. I suppose that's fair.

Jim Harbaugh (11:28)

So J. Mac and again, as an elder statesman at this network, I do believe that basketball is better today than ever. But we have to acknowledge that the Michael Jordan's Bulls were also the best defensive team and Katie and Steph's Bulls were the best defensive team and Belichick beat the fastest show on turf. And what we have is a history Saban's dynasty. If you put a great offense and a great defense together, the defense almost always wins in Indiana. Hot knife through butter. Milwaukee, Cleveland, Knicks. They look disjointed. They look off. Now some of it's Halliburton, but I'm watching an Oklahoma City defense. This has got a legion of boom feel. They are. They can press you at half court, press you on the perimeter, rim protection. I think we have to give them credit. This does look almost collegiate in effort and switchability.

Colin Cowherd (12:20)

That 100% correct. And I, I came on with you a few weeks ago and listen, I haven't gotten much right about these NBA playoffs, but my belief in Oklahoma City is maybe the one thing I have gotten right once the Lakers eliminated. And what I said to you a couple weeks ago is they are unlike any team in the last 20 years in their ability to go on these 12 to 2 or 14 to 2 runs that are based purely on steals. That it is not they hit a bunch of threes. It is not the offense gets hot. It's that they can have these game changing runs based on their defense and their ability to throw waves of good defenders at you. I also think the legion of boom comp is apropos because they also do something those guys did which was we are going to play with such a level of physicality from the opening whistle of the game that we are going to put the refs in an impossible position where you are either going to grind the game to a halt in the opening four minutes or we are going to set the precedent that Dort and Caruso when he comes in and Jalen Williams and Kayson Wallace, all these guys, we are just going to bring back hand checking, bring back body bumping and we're going to rough you up somewhat like what the legion of Boom secondary did with kind of illegal contact to where even if we get called it a few times a game. It's worth it. So listen, defensively, they're great. Shay is having, from a scoring perspective, a really special, not just postseason, not just season, but couple of seasons. Like as the list of guards to average more points in a season than Shea. The last couple of years is you can count on one hand and then you add Jalen Williams, who became just, I think, the sixth guy ever to be the second best player on a team and drop 40 in a finals game. It's a, you know, Scotty Pippen his whole career in Chicago. Colin never scored more than 32 in a finals game. Kobe scored 40 in a finals game once and it was in 09 when Shaq was gone. D. Wade never scored 40 as a second option in the finals. It's really special what Jalen Williams did yesterday. And it opens, makes their ceiling even higher. So, yeah, I mean, I am wildly impressed by their defense and Jalen Williams, who was fairly the object of a lot of scrutiny after last year's Round 2 loss to Dallas when he didn't play well. And then midway through round two this year when it looked like they might lose to Denver, he was going to be object of scrutiny again. He had a four for 19, a five for 18, some rough games. Since game seven of round two, he's been excellent. And these last three games, he's been brilliant. And now they're going to win the championship.

Jim Harbaugh (15:31)

I got a lot of things I could ask you about right here, and I'm looking at them, and some are interesting, some, some not. Okay, I'm going to throw.

Colin Cowherd (15:38)

Do the interesting ones. Let's just, you know what, let's just do the interesting ones.

Jim Harbaugh (15:42)

Okay? So I was never a John Morant guy. And the maturity stuff, I wasn't too critical of him because, you know, in football, in baseball, you have to go through the minor leagues. You come in a little more mature. In football, you can't even get to the NFL. A lot of these kids are 1819. At 1819, I was pulling fire alarms in high school like, we're all idiots, right? But I will say this. I've always had this theory that if you're a small player, you got to be able to shoot. I didn't buy John Wall, Derrick Rose, Ja Morant, Stevie Francis. I bought Nash and Curry because without the hand check, if you can't shoot, you got to score at the rim. And you're going up against redwoods, you're going to get hurt. And my take on John Morant Maturity aside, he can't shoot and he's always hurt. And in the end, I love what Orlando did in the trade because I think now they look at Indiana and think we can do that. But I also like what Memphis is saying is this isn't going to work. Look at the maturity and depth of, of. Of okc. Look at these young teams coming. Is that John Morant's a bit of a cautionary tale is that if you look at the Pacers in the, in OKC right now, it's college guys two and three years at college. Jalen Williams, it's maturity. There's. There's no G leaguers. There's a couple one and dones that Ja Morant is a prime example of. It does college basketball matters. Maturity matters. They know in the NBA sometimes we kind of fall in love with highlights and John Moran's the best in the league at that. But your take kind of on the John Moran, Memphis kind of saying he can't.

Colin Cowherd (17:18)

Listen, I, I think there's a lot here. I think the only part you didn't mention is Orlando looking at the Orlando making this trade is a low key diss to the Pacers because what Orlando's basically saying is, hell, anybody can win the East. Look what's happening. Like, why not us? Like Paulo takes a leap. We just need some shooting. And I do like Bain spit and I, you know, I don't. I. In a weird way, I don't think Desmond Bain is on the Magic if Jayson Tatum doesn't tear his Achilles because I think that's what made the Eastern Conference feel like everything is available. So there's one take on the Grizzlies. I totally agree. And I think the Grizzlies are fearful because Jaw is so wildly popular there and they're like, well, you know, you don't want to trade him when his stock is low. And my only response that would be is unless there's real reason to believe it might go lower because John now has and you hit on it. Everyone, when they talk about ja, I shouldn't say everyone. A lot of people when they talk about ja, act as if, well, if he matures off the court. And maybe he has. I don't really see a lot of evidence of it, but maybe he has. Then he's back to being a superstar while leaving out the fact that he has not improved as a player over the last couple years. And he has become incredible. An incredibly high injury concern. So they're afraid to trade him now because his stock is Low. Well, he's one more missed 30 game stretch away from the stock being even lower. So I, I proposed this kind of jokingly a few months ago, but I'll throw it out there again. I think it works salary wise. It certainly works creativity wise, which is the three kind of immature, kind of mercurial Southeastern point guards all trade for each other. Lamelo trae ja. We send ja to Charlotte where there's less trouble to get in. We send Lamelo to Atlanta and we send Trey to Memphis. And we're like, hey, all these guys are talented, all these guys are high draft picks. All these teams have kind of reached their ceiling or in Charlotte never had a ceiling. What if we shake the snow globe there so that. So I would like to see that. What Memphis probably should do is maybe start over. I have one extra bonus take on this, which is actually a Lakers take, which is if I am Rob Pelinka, first thing I'm doing in the morning is finding that leather jacket. The second thing I'm doing is saying, you know what, if Desmond Bain is worth four first round picks, then is my path to getting the center. We need actually a three team trade involving Alex Caruso. Because if Bain's worth four first round picks, Caruso's worth about that. And is there a team that would trade picks for Caruso and a team that has a center that would rather have picks than Caruso? Because if Mikhail Bridges is worth five and Bane is worth four, Reaves is at least worth three and a half. So I wonder if that ends up being the lubrication to the Lakers getting the center they need for Luca.

Jim Harbaugh (20:41)

Yeah, no, I, I Austin Reeves has limitations to me. J. Mac loves him, but you know, he loves the undrafted guys more than anybody ever met.

Colin Cowherd (20:49)

I like him, I like him. But here's the he became superfluous once you got Luca because he's not gonna have the ball in his hands as much. And so. And you don't have a bunch of other assets with which to get. Like here is a real question. I would have I were the Lakers. If the draft is is going on and Malu watch. The center from Duke is available at the eighth pick, the ninth pick. Would somebody want Austin Reaves for that pick? Would we trade him straight up to get that center and pair him with Luca? I think there's real conversation there.

Jim Harbaugh (21:24)

Okay, one of two choices. Do you want to talk KD Caitlin Clark or Shador Sanders? You pick it.

Colin Cowherd (21:32)

Three choices. Caitlin Clark. And then if we have time, KD Caitlin Clark is this. Colin, you got a question?

Joy Taylor (21:39)

Go.

Colin Cowherd (21:39)

I was just going to go into Florida. So here's the question I have because you and I keep kind of upping the ante on where we think her star is going and I've decided that it can't be upped high enough. So here is the question I have. As crazy as this sounds, Once Steph and LeBron retire, will there be an active American athlete that's not a quarterback that's more famous than her? No, I think she will be more famous than every baseball player. She might already be every Hawk in this country, every hockey player, all of the U.S. men's National Team and every football player that isn't really Patrick Mahomes and maybe Lamar Josh. Like there's only a few. And I think she's already more famous than every NBA player But Katie, Stephen, LeBron and I don't see any of those guys catching her. I think she is a supernova of fame and talent.

Jim Harbaugh (22:48)

Yeah, it said this and it's not anti Beyonce to say that Taylor Swift's tour changed the economy. It is not anti angel reese of the WNBA to acknowledge she's the tiger 20 years ago on the tour. Like the ratings disappear. It's nothing against the wnba. She literally is changing the entire league economy. And I don't.

Colin Cowherd (23:09)

That part's true. But listen, I've got to protect us both here. It might be accidentally anti Beyonce to compare her to Angel Reese. However, if beyond Beyonce might not be Taylor Swift but she's not like, like let's, let's be, let's be careful with, with that. But I understand you don't have to listen, you don't have to blow out one's candle, make the other one.

Jim Harbaugh (23:34)

That's right, that's right.

Colin Cowherd (23:35)

Grow brighter. But we are, we are swimming in different pools when we're talking about angel who by the way, shout out angel who got a triple double and played really well the other night. And if she can at any point, you know, just be a more competent around the rim, she will be a multi time, multi year all star because she's a good defender and good rebounder. Then between that and Caitlin Clark fresh off an injury playing a team that some people were like, are they going to go undefeated and dropping 32 8, 9 in a 40 minute basketball game and blowing them out like the Fever could win the championship this year. They're not the favorites. Minnesota's better and the Fever are better. But they just crushed the Fever. I'm sorry. Crushed the Liberty. I said it wrong. Minnesota and New York are better than them, but they're right there. And she is only getting better. It's really spectacular to watch.

Jim Harbaugh (24:33)

Yeah. Angel Reese actually a really good player, and that wasn't the comp with Beyonce. But what I'm saying is, as you said, with candles is the wnba. I just don't want to be marginalized. Like, I'm not criticizing the wnba. She is the moment. She's not part of it. She's the moment. And that's okay. And it.

Colin Cowherd (24:50)

I mean, Tiger comp is the right comp, and it removes a lot of the. I think. I think there is understandably a real protectionist nature amongst the wnba because for a long time it had fought for survival, obviously, because it's a women's league versus a men's league. There's also a lot of race and gender and sexuality stuff tied up in the WNBA and its fan base that I think is actually really productive for American sports. But it also creates an understandably, almost protective fan base. Like, hold on a minute. And so because of that, there has been understandable or not, a pushback to this supernova celebrity falling parachuting into the sport. And so, like the WNBA demographics and who watches new goes to the games are almost diametrically opposed to the PGA Tour 30 years ago. And then Tiger came in and there was still a similar protectionism, but for very different reasons. But the reality is this person is going to change the face of your sport, the economics of your sport, and the accessibility of your sport to shows like this. And that ultimately helps everyone. And it really helps everyone if the players themselves don't read their mentions as much, because I understand with popularity comes toxicity, and a lot of people that weren't previously invited to the party or maybe don't want to be at the party, they just want to crash it. But those people only live in your phone. They don't live in real life usually. And so ultimately, it's great for the league. And she had a hell of a return from an injury.

Jim Harbaugh (26:34)

And this all started with Mount Justmore. I mean, just think this great segment started with the Mount Justmore.

Colin Cowherd (26:41)

Yeah, it just shows you kids, no matter how poorly something starts, it can finish brilliantly. I mean, it really does. See you, buddy.

Joy Taylor (26:51)

See you, buddy. Nick.

Jim Harbaugh (26:53)

Yeah, the. Yeah, I mean, I just. It's not a. I also think that baseball had this for years. Baseball is getting a lot of attention now. The sports ratings, attendance is up and judges. Ohtani. And there's just a lot of great things about Baseball right now. But if somebody feels ignored, they tend to have a chip on their shoulder if you suddenly start paying attention to them. And baseball had this with Bryce Harper is they didn't really have a domestic player. We loved and galvanized the fans. And then Bryce Harper showed up with the hair and the FL. Flair and he got crap in his own dugout because, hey, man, you've been ignoring this forever. This hot shot. And baseball got really tribal and parochial and protective. And I think that's the wnba. They've always felt like, hey, we're getting better here. And none of you media people ever pay attention to us. And then somebody parachutes in and it's.

Joy Taylor (27:42)

Like, nah, we don't want your.

Jim Harbaugh (27:43)

We don't want your attention.

Joy Taylor (27:46)

Yeah, you do.

Jim Harbaugh (27:47)

Baseball. Yeah, you do. Isn't it a lot more fun being baseball now? And all we talk about is more baseball, more fun to watch, more dynamic, more interesting and more shows talk about it. And isn't the WNBA better now that it makes all of these talk shows all the time? And so. But I understand it. We all want attention. We all want validation. And baseball went through a stretch where it was, like, slow and every. Anytime I talk about baseball or anybody that it was negative or it was ignored. And the WNBA didn't make a profit. It didn't have, like, their tiger. But when you get it, you know, you can be. You can be a little protective, but you got to get over yourself because Caitlin is really good for that league.

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Jim Harbaugh (33:03)

Jim Harbaugh stopping by last hour. Love having Jim on the show. They're all fired up. I'll tell you that. They are fired up in Charger land. J. Mack with the news.

Colin Cowherd (33:17)

No, no, no, no, no.

Nick Wright (33:18)

Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news, right? Mr. Cowherd, we must revisit game five in the NBA Finals last night. Pacers lost back to back games for the first time since March. And Tyrese Halliburton seem to have tweaked a calf here driving to the bucket. You could see him grimace as his right calf kind of tightens up. It's a scary moment because, Colin, the last time there was a significant calf injury in the finals, it was Kevin Durant. Nevertheless, here is Halliburton talking about the injury.

Joy Taylor (33:49)

This NBA Finals.

Jim Harbaugh (33:50)

It's the Finals, man.

Joy Taylor (33:52)

I've worked my whole life to be here and I want to be out there to compete, you know, help my teammates any way I can. You know, I was not great tonight by any means, but, you know, it's not really a thought of mine to not play here.

Jim Harbaugh (34:07)

You know, if I, if I can.

Joy Taylor (34:10)

You know, walk, then I want to play.

Jim Harbaugh (34:12)

What's the line on game six in Indy?

Nick Wright (34:16)

I'm sorry, I'm not doing my job. I'm so depressed that the Pacers are done. I did not look it up. I would guess probably 6ish because there's a Pacers team that kind of didn't show up last other than TJ McConnell, who played well. Colin.

Joy Taylor (34:33)

Yeah.

Jim Harbaugh (34:34)

Turner didn't. Halliburton didn't. Sayalkin was pretty good.

Nick Wright (34:37)

Nemart had his worst game by a mile.

Jim Harbaugh (34:40)

Well, I mean, that's what great defenses do. They turn you inside out. And I mean, I, I thought Pascal Siakam played well. I thought McConnell was great. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was a tough outing.

Nick Wright (34:53)

It's weird. As, as bad as the Pacers played, they were within two with about nine minutes left, which I did not expect because they were down 15, close to 20 at some points there in the, in the second quarter.

Jim Harbaugh (35:03)

Without Halliburton.

Joy Taylor (35:04)

Yeah.

Nick Wright (35:05)

Yeah. And Halliburton did nothing. So there's a world where the Pacers win, but selfishly, I am officially rooting Thunder in game six. My men's league team needs a guy who's covering the finals. We need him this weekend and he's out if there's a game seven.

Jim Harbaugh (35:18)

So priorities.

Nick Wright (35:20)

Selfish. Yes. Yes. Go, go, go. OkC. Next story. Colin, let's go to Caitlin Clark and that amazing game she had Saturday. Colin, they just announced the NBA, the WNBA ratings for the game. 2.2 million viewers on ABC, making it the third most watched WNBA game ever. Ever on the network. Not this season, not this decade. Ever on abc. And we know ratings were down significantly without Clark. It just goes to show, hey, you put an undefeated team against the best, most exciting player in the league and this is what you get.

Jim Harbaugh (35:57)

Well, also, there were protests all over America this weekend, so there were tens of millions of people all over the country. So I mean, it was just, it was also went up against the US Open, which wasn't very stirring, but nonetheless. So I don't know. I just, I'm, I'm, I'm no longer surprised. I. What, what really struck me is how aggressive Caitlin Clark was. Like she was demanding the ball and I don't, I don't see her as. I mean, she's a flashy player. When you shoot from that distance, it's flashy, but she was like hyper aggressive and let. I mean, it was really something to behold.

Nick Wright (36:32)

Yeah. By the way, Fever play today, 7:00 Eastern, 4 Pacific against the Connecticut. The Connecticut team, Indiana is an 18 point favorite. Colin, 18th in our WNBA game. I'm not laying the lumber there, but Caitlin Clark pretty much could pick her, her, her number tonight and just go off against Connecticut and what? I'll be checking it out. It's on NBA TV. 4:00pm Pacific Final Story. Colin, let's Go to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Jim Harbaugh (37:04)

Man.

Nick Wright (37:04)

Do you remember the Super Bowl? They got their butts kicked. Well, Rasheed Rice who missed the super bowl, he had this season ending knee injury in week four. He is healthy and back in action and says not only will the offense be explosive this year, but it's going to be a quote unquote show. You see Rasheed Rice here doing some ladder work. Looks like you working out at the gym. I don't know that I buy this offense totally bouncing back just because Rasheed Rice is there. I mean Travis Kelsey's old Isaiah Pacheco not what he was a couple years ago.

Jim Harbaugh (37:38)

It's not that I'm anti Chiefs, but I think the Raiders, the Broncos and the Chargers will all be significantly better. Harb Jim Harbaugh, year two. Every everywhere he's gone in his career, year two feels like, oh, that's a Harbaugh. Year one is build a culture by year two, the roster, the two running backs, Joe Alt now in year two it's like, oh, that's a hardball team. If you just, if you showed me the draft the last two years, it's never been receiver built. It's tackles, it's pass rush, it's run game. So I just think the division is much better.

Nick Wright (38:14)

Undeniable. I will add. For the Chiefs fans who are upset that we keep calling for their demise, let's just remind people Tom Brady won a decade between super bowl wins. Okay? There's no guarantees. Just because you have Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and you look at the schedule. We've talked about it ad nauseam. It is not easy with the travel opening the season outside of this continent. A lot of prime time games. Probably got to go to Buffalo again. I said miss the playoffs. I'm sticking by it. I know it's June, you think that's hot, take happy hour. But you, you look at that left tackle situation. I don't think it's improved getting a backup from San Francisco to protect Patrick Mahomes. I, I just don't.

Jim Harbaugh (38:55)

Listen, there's, there's always, there's always one team in the league that surprises us. So we know, so look at their schedule again. So we know the Chargers will be good in the first. We know the Eagles will be good. And then they play the Ravens and the Lions and Washington and Buffalo and Denver. There's a lot of tough games if, let's just say the surprise team in the league. And I mean you look at the second half, they're facing Houston, they're facing 10. Let's just say the surprise team in the league is Tennessee and I think both. No, just look at their schedule. Look at how that schedule ends. You think the beginning of it is tough with the Lions and the Eagles and the Ravens and the Chargers and the Bills in Washington. I would argue the beginning's tough, the middle is tough and if Tennessee and I think both you and I think that'll be the most improved team in the league. They will end the season with Houston, Chargers, Tennessee and Denver. That schedule has no break. There's, I mean the, the beginning, middle and end has landmines everywhere with that Kansas City schedule and would they go.

Nick Wright (40:04)

11 and oh in one score games last year might have been 12.

Jim Harbaugh (40:06)

That's not happening.

Nick Wright (40:07)

Bottom line, even if you regress to six and five which is still winning and again six and five is good in one score games, you're now looking at like a nine win, eight or nine win team.

Jim Harbaugh (40:18)

Yeah, I know you and I agree on this is that that is a sneaky tough schedule. If just Tennessee is and we've done a pretty good job on the show predicting what's the team that's going to be much better than next year. I think it's Tennessee. I think we both agree. Yeah, if they're good. Tell me the break in this schedule.

Nick Wright (40:35)

Well, New York Giants. New York Giants.

Jim Harbaugh (40:37)

That's it. That is it. And, and maybe Dallas at home and no other breaks on that schedule because the Raider games will be competitive because they're rivalry games. Pete Carroll, Geno Smith, those games will be competitive games.

Nick Wright (40:49)

I'm just going to put this out there. That Jacksonville offense, I've been reading, doing some off season homework. The Jacksonville offense, just look out. They got two really good receivers healthy Trevor Lawrence and a sharp offensive coach. Just file it away folks. The Jacksonville offense is going to be top five in the league this year.

Jim Harbaugh (41:06)

J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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Jim Harbaugh (45:14)

So I, I was thinking about this. There was a story about, you know, somebody asked Dak Prescott about his legacy and you know, there's certain quarterbacks where you say their name. Brady Goat, Lamar Jackson, electric. Josh Allen, powerful. Drew Brees, accuracy. John Elway, legendary. Mahomes, gifted. And Dak doesn't really have a trait that's memorable or wow. I think he's a great leader. I think of him more as the Walter Payton trophy than a Lombardi Trophy. And that's fine. I mean he's 2 and 5 all time in the playoffs, hasn't been very good. Oh and three in the divisional round. Kind of limited. But I was thinking about this as he was talking about his legacy and let's play the bite of Dak talking about what, what will his legacy be? I want to win a championship. The legacy, the things, whatever comes after I finish playing will take care of itself. I want to win a championship be.

Nick Wright (46:11)

Damned if it's just for my legacy.

Jim Harbaugh (46:13)

Or for it's for this teams, for my personal being, for my sanity. Yeah, the legacy will take care of itself. I have to stay where my feet are. Now. I, I do think when Dak entered the league, Dallas was a great place for a quarterback to land. They had the dominating number one O line and the best running back. They drafted him and Jason Garrett was a mature, consistent coach and the division was kind of a mess. Philadelphia wasn't this good, the Giants weren't great and Washington was still owned by Dan Snyder. So the division and I thought Dak Benefited greatly. We wouldn't have been talking about Dak, a fourth round quarterback out of Mississippi State had he gone to Houston or Jacksonville or, you know, other organizations. We just wouldn't have. He has benefited greatly early in his.

Joy Taylor (47:11)

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Jim Harbaugh (47:13)

But I think now he's actually the only thing holding Dallas together. I think the coaching staff's arguably going to be the worst in the league. They've gotten increasingly weird and poor at drafting. You cross your fingers on Javante Williams, a number two running back, being the bell cow because they have a bad running back room. The offensive line is in rebuild and feels kind of makeshift and again, they're not, they don't have any money in free agency.

Nick Wright (47:41)

Heavy.

Jim Harbaugh (47:41)

They're top heavy and they're not drafting particularly well. I'm trying to think of a quarterback that entered because we know where you land matters. I'm trying to think of a quarterback who, who entered the league and it felt like a pretty darn shrewd, well run organization. They hadn't won Super Bowls, they crushed drafting offensive line. Zeke was a gamble, but a huge hit. Their coaching was not considered elite or awful. And now look at them. I mean, what are they great at? Nothing. Draft and development, free agency. Dak is holding it together and I think a lot of that is now. Do I think he has benefited. Yeah, if you want to play blind resume on Dak. I mean just, just to show you how often we have talked about Dak, he has made tens of millions of dollars in advertising that he would not have made at other places. But if you, if you, if you do blind resume on Dak Prescott, I could put up quarterbacks who have had significantly more fruitful careers. But we never talk about him. But right now Dak went from benefiting greatly from the Cowboys to holding a mess of a franchise together. And he deserves credit for that. And they, they're also, they've been talking about like a prime example of where the Cowboys are at is they had to go make a move for George Pickens because they didn't have a second skill player that they could trust after CD Lamp. And Pickens is great, but he comes with all sorts of baggage. I mean, Mike Tomlin is one of the more patient coaches in the NFL. He moved off George Pickens. He was the one that initiated the trade. Mike Tomlin, according to reports, we can't have him. So that's where we are with Dak Prescott and his legacy. J. Mac. Jim Harbaugh is coming up next hour and I love Jim Harbaugh.

Nick Wright (49:46)

What do you think he's going to say when you, when you tell him that we think the Chiefs are going to miss the playoffs? Not just me. You. You agree, right?

Jim Harbaugh (49:54)

No. I have the Chiefs as a wild card team. I thought when I watched the Chargers last year, I felt like I watched when I watched Michigan the first year or the Niners the first year when he took over or Stanford, he changed the culture. But it was a limited roster. I don't look at the Chargers now as having a limitation. They're good enough everywhere to win a Super Bowl. I didn't feel that last year they Quentin Johnson, you didn't know if he was a bust, that you really couldn't trust them. If they trailed in a game, you felt like the wheels could come off. It was like lad McConkey and cross your fingers if the rest of the guys are healthy or productive. And I'm not saying you need a great receiving core to win a Super Bowl. Mahomes won two without one.

DraftKings (50:36)

Right.

Jim Harbaugh (50:37)

But I kind of felt like outside of rookie lad McConkey, you were drawing straws at wide receiver. I don't feel that way this year.

Nick Wright (50:44)

The other thing with, with Herbert, you don't worry about a warm weather west coast team going into a Buffalo, a Cincinnati in January the way you do it to. And Miami. If TUA and Miami have to go into cold weather territory in January, it's over. No chance. But I don't think. I don't have any of those concerns with Herbert. I think he can go anywhere and win in January even though he hasn't yet.

Jim Harbaugh (51:04)

I think, I think between Najee Harris, the offensive line and Hampton, I think it's a real run game. And I think from the very beginning Harbaugh's been honest about it. I don't want just. I don't want Justin Herbert throwing 45 times a game. That's. That's even Andrew Luck in college. They weren't an aerial circus at Stanford. They ran the ball. They were double tight end, fullback in the program that Harbaugh has never been built around perimeter receivers or a fast paced offense. It's culture, physicality, run games, controlling the clock. So he is around the corner. It is a Tuesday. NBA Finals looks like it's kind of over.

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