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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Yep. Coming this summer, the club World cup before the World Cup a year out. So great to have the FIFA president on, by the way. The US Will have two teams. Seattle Sounders and Miami will both be in. Those will be the two teams. And then is it 32 other teams teams or 30 other teams involved in the club World cup winner? A billion dollars in purses. A billion dollars. So it's like a pre World cup with the world's best club teams, all the best players. Mbappe will be here. Messi, Harry Kane, all the best players in the world will be here. So it's going to be a pre World Cup. And there's clear evidence that anytime a World cup is in the United States, massive popularity swings in merchandising and fandom happen.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, listen, I can't take full credit, but I do like. I know you like soccer and college baske, but Colin, you have to admit you're starting to nudge a little more in the direction of those sports since the addition of your boy.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm jealous of anybody who lives in Zurich and vacations in Italy.
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Jason McIntyre
I've heard good things. I've never been to either.
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Colin Cowherd
Zurich's got my favorite airport in the world. It's like a. It's like a great Swiss watch. It is perfect. The trains are on the second. The food, the cleanliness, it's great. If I can. Oh, anytime I can connect through Zurich, do it. Spend an afternoon marveling at the airport.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. So we're gonna go to the NFL, you know, winter meetings here pretty quick. But I. The over and unders are now with. All the betting companies are coming out, you know, Vegas over, unders. So these numbers are how many games do you think a team can win? And you know, as you know, they always come in half. Seven and a half, eight and a half. And you as a consumer, bet the under or bet the over. Now most fans bet the over. They're optimistic. I tend to find unders, but I found three unders and three overs that are interesting. So let's go to the conferences first, the one that jumps out to me. Let's start in the AFC for our radio audience. Bills 11 and a half Dolphins 8 and a half, Jets 5 and a half the Patriots at 7 and a half to me feels like an over massive upgrade on coaching staff. Also they were 3 and 6 in one score games with a rookie quarterback. So there's, there's going to be an ascension. They're going to be a better one score game team. They spent almost 200 million in free agency. I would bet the over on the Patriots. Let's go to the Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, Browns. Nothing jumps out to me. Ravens 11 1/2 Bengals 9 1/2 Steelers 8 1/2 Browns 5 1/2. Nothing seems underwhelming or overwhelming. The next division projected win totals AFC south this is one of my favorite overs. So the Texans at nine and a half, Colts Jag seven and a half wins. The Titans at five and a half bet the over Brian Callahan. Listen, he was so frustrated. Will Levis arguably gave three wins away last year. So Cam Ward, there's just not going to be nobody's going to quite know what to do until he has an offseason. Remember C.J. stroud came in and it kind of feels like everybody's kind of waiting for CJ Stroud to fall apart and he didn't. So I think Cam Ward, the upgrade Cam Ward to Will Levis is going to get you to seven or eight or nine wins in this division. Just a very weak AFC South. Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers, Raiders. I think Kansas City under 11 and a half is one of my favorite bets. Broncos nine and a half, Chargers nine and a half. Raiders six and a half. I'd probably go over Chargers but the under on Kansas City, remember they were 11 and oh in one score games like recovering fumbles, regression is coming. Even if they go 8 and 3, nobody goes 11. No in one score games. Also they're, they're still trying to figure out their offensive line. Joe Tuney left their best offensive lineman and they don't, you know, they're using somebody's backup at left tackle. They're an injury away in the O line from being a complete mess. They're also getting older in key spots. Now we go to the nfc. One of my I have an over and under bet in the same division. So Eagles eleven and a half. That's about right. I'm going to take the over on the Commanders and the under on the Cowboys. So listen, Jaden Daniels is the real deal. I just talked to somebody, a friend who was at an event Jaden Daniels was at in the last couple of weeks the kid's unbelievable. They spent money, the coaching. Nine and a half. I mean, they're going to go two and oh against the Cowboys and two and oh against the Giants. So I think the commanders is. I mean 10 and 7 with the Lamar Jackson of the NFC at quarterback shock. Anybody? Also the Cowboys. I would bet the under they want. I don't think anybody's quite embracing Brian Schottenheimer to me had struggled to remain at the same place as a coordinator. I think they went cheap. They also got to pay Micah. Again, this is a team that's a CD Lamb sprained ankle from, you know, being fairly weaponless. I would take the under. Now we go. Nothing jumps out to me at the NFC North. Lions ten and a half. Packers nine and a half. Bears eight and a half, Vikings eight and a half. Nothing jumps out to me. I know everybody wants to bet the Bears in the over. Be careful. Nothing really jumps out to me in the NFC South. Bucks should win. Best roster. Falcons may be a little underserved, but I refuse to bet the Falcons on anything. I've lost a fortune over the years. Panthers, Saints, both six and a half wins. Now there are two surprises to me in the NFC West. I would take the under on the Niners ten and a half. They are getting old in key spots. You got Christian McCaffrey coming off an injury and then Brandon Aiyuk coming off an injury. They have 12 draft picks. That is a lot of young players. Rookies don't flourish generally except key positions in the NFL. Also, they lost Greenlaw and Hufanga. They wanted to keep both. Those are leaders, great, instinctive players. So we haven't loved their defense for the last couple of years. And when Bosa gets hurt, it's a bad defense, so. And he's getting older. I would bet the under on the Niners at ten and a half. I would bet the over on the Rams at nine and a half. They need a corner outside of that. They are set. They're getting better. The defense got better Thanksgiving on. So the Rams, I would take the over. So my over and under bets. I would take the Commanders over nine and a half, the Patriots over seven and a half and the Titans over five and a half. My unders are the Chiefs under 11 and a half. The Ram the Niners under 10 and a half, the Cowboys under seven and a half. I also think the Rams can hit the over. I think the Rams can hit the over. McVeigh, Stafford, Devonte, Adams. They cannot be as physically immobile as they were Last year when the offensive line fell apart. That's not gonna happen again. They'll have more depth. They're gonna draft a tackle early in this draft. So, J. Mack, anything jump out to you?
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Jason McIntyre
Too much, actually. I know we have a guest coming up. I. We definitely need to revisit this. I've got some beef with some stuff you're saying. The one thing that really jumped out. So I see Titans, five and a half. Totally agree. But did I see the jets and the Giants are also five and a half, meaning those are the three worst teams in the league. Oh, my gosh. I didn't know the jets had fallen that far. Five and a half win total. Gosh, it's bleak.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, New York football's bleak. Terrible. Albert Breer joining us live. Here we go from Palm Beach. Not a bad place to join us live from. Okay. At the NFL owner meetings. Okay, let's get. So I've always had a theory on overtime. You want it to be quick. I don't want my defense on the field for another 14 plays. So the NFL has said, okay, both teams now get the ball once. It's going to be 10 minutes. My question is, what if a team gets it to the 9 minute, 58 second drive and scores? What do you do then? I mean, I. What your takeaway on the new NFL owner change in overtime?
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Albert Breer
Well, I think there are a couple of factors there. Of course, it won't affect, you know, play the playoffs because the playoffs don't play until they have a winner and a loser. And, and, you know, I think during the regular season there's the broadcast partners, which I think like to keep these games as close to the window they're prescribed to be in as they can. You know, and then I think there's the, the element of adding more plays to the game. And that's a health and safety thing, you know, and that was part of the argument against this sort of thing years ago, was that they didn't want to put that much more damage on players. So I think this is a fair compromise and it does add that element of strategy to it. You know, I think one thing, if you look back, like Bill Belichick always wanted a timed period, right? And the reason he wanted the time period is because he wanted the clock to be part of the overtime. I think in doing this, you are making the clock part of the overtime, you know, so, you know, I think from a viewership standpoint, 15 might be better because you're getting the full quarter. But, you know, I think when you go to 10 minutes, you're making the clock even a bigger factor. And I think that could interest, that could add like an interesting element of strategy and how teams approach it. I mean, if you're the receiving team, don't you almost, don't, don't you almost automatically go into the four minute offense? I think that's what we're going to be looking at.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Tush push. Packers are very anti Tush push. It's, it's been tabled, meaning they'll do it in mid May and figure out at the mid May meetings what is Green bay and Matt LaFleur's primary objection to the Tush push.
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Albert Breer
They don't think it's a football play. And you know, one thing that was interesting to come from the room now, you know, a couple days ago when they first met on this, you know, Jim Harbaugh and Mike Vrabel brought up some of the holes in the way the rule is written. And can you, I mean the most Harbaugh thing ever, can you put two extra guards on the field and line them up behind the guards and push the guards because you're not pushing behind the center? Vrabel asked the same thing. Can you take the quarterback and move him behind the guard and then push him behind the guard? So there are some holes in how the rule was written. Howie Roseman was passionate about this in the room and saying that there's no injury data that says it's more dangerous. The league comes back and says, well, actually we think based on the posture of the player that this could lead to major head and spine injuries. Not that it hasn't yet, but that certainly is a concern. So, you know, you put all this in and I think, you know, now how do you, how do you rewrite it? And one thing that happened inside the room today, earlier this morning was, you know, Rich McKay, the chair of the competition for me, said, why don't we go back to the 2004 rule or at least look at that rule and how it was written and maybe we adopt that. So I think around, somewhere around 20 teams were in favor of looking at that rule as potentially something that could be the framework of something they vote on in May. And it's interesting column. Like when they took the rule out 20 years ago, the reason they took the rule out was because what was happening downfield, and you'll remember this, is there were guys getting pushed into the end zone downfield and when they flag it, it was hard to tell if you had A scrum downfield, whether or not, you know, an offensive player coming in was trying to block the defensive player, push his teammate across the line. So is that less of a concern now? Is there a way to. To address that and how you write the rule? I think it was just there were too many things on the table and too many concerns to pass it now. But the fact that they're tabling it until May shows the league has a real desire to get something done before the season.
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Colin Cowherd
I just saw a headline this morning. Steelers are very comfortable with Mason Rudolph as their starter. And I thought, oh, boy, if I was a Steeler fan, that's pretty discouraging. So I have made the argument with Aaron Rodgers that he ideally wanted Minnesota, knew the division, loved the coach, loved Justin Jefferson, and that I think deep down he knows Pittsburgh can't get the O line right. It's a defensive culture. He's done the East Coast. He'd probably like to drift back to the West. And my guess is I don't think he's stalling or being obnoxious. I don't think deep down he wants to go to Pittsburgh, but I do think he loves football and wants to play and was pretty good last year. What is your vibe on what you're hearing about Aaron Rodgers?
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Albert Breer
Yeah, so my vibe would be a. I think you're absolutely right that he doesn't want to go out the way that he went out last year. I. I know he, you know, in coming back from the Achilles, like, wanted to really appreciate the sport and, you know, rediscover his love for the game. And despite how hard everything was last year on the jets, like, I think he did do that to a certain degree. So I think he does want to play. And I. I think, you know, if you're in his spot, you say, okay, I got one year left. You're looking for the perfect place. The perfect place would have been Minnesota. Minnesota wants to get a LONGER look at J.J. mcCarthy. And again, we've been over this before, Colin. Like, if they bring in Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones, like, that's much different than bringing in Aaron Rodgers, where, if you bring in Aaron Rodgers, you are just jamming on the pause button on the J.J. mcCarthy era at best. And how. No, how. How do you figure that's going to affect his development? There are a lot of things that go into that, you know, and so I think now it's sort of going through the situation with the Steelers. I think one thing the Steelers have going for them, the young Offensive line's gotten better. They also have peers of his on his team that are going to be operating with the same level of urgency. Veteran players, guys like TJ Watt, who will be 31, makeup Spitzpatrick, who will be 29. Cam Hayward, who I believe is going into his 14th year as an NFL player. DK Metcalfe, now in his third contract. This is jumping on a moving train. This is not a team that needs to be lifted up. They've been in the playoffs. They need somebody to come help me take them over the top. So, ultimately, I think he does wind up there, but I think. I think you're right when you say, like, this isn't the perfect situation. It's a really good one. And I think that's what he's considering right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, he's at West Palm Beach. Looks like the breakers, if I. If I may guess.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Pretty good. Pretty good place.
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Albert Breer
And I don't. And I. And I don't normally wear sunglasses. I think it's kind of douchey to wear sunglasses on the air, but it is so bright out here. And I'm not saying that to make anybody back home jealous, but it is so bright out here, it actually hurt my eyes to be sitting here.
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Colin Cowherd
That's okay. So let's wrap it up with this. We've got Cleveland's owners saying, yep, swinging a miss on Deshaun. We've got the Giants getting Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston. There's a lot of move, and we're all trying to play like Inspector Clouseau and figure out with the clues what's going to happen, who's going to pick a quarterback. And then there's other reports on mock draft people that, oh, Shador's dropping out. Well, we know Cam's going one, the Giants and the Browns. Do you believe Shador Sanders goes to either Cleveland or the New York Giants?
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Albert Breer
If you put a gun to my head today, I would say Abdul Carter at 2 to Cleveland, Travis Hunter at 3 to the Giants. I think the Giants have protected themselves so they don't have to force anything at quarterback. And I do think, you know, like, the idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a day two quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for the next 10 years, but you get it, you're taking a shot at it might work better for them. I think Cleveland could take a similar approach here and maybe working out a trade for Kirk Cousins the Friday after the draft. And it's. It's an interesting thing here. So Jimmy Haslam, J.W. johnson and Andrew Berry had dinner on Thursday night in State College, Pennsylvania with Abdul Carter. Kevin Stefanski wasn't there. Kevin Stefanski was actually in Oxford, Mississippi for Jackson Darts pro day. And the fact that they would take their head coach and put him there in Mississippi rather than sitting down with Carter tells me they're at least thinking about the idea of taking Carter at 2 and either sitting there at 33 and Drake and taking one there or maybe moving into the bottom of the first round and taking one at that point. And I think if you do that, then Cousins comes into play because the relationship between Stefanski and Cousins. So I think there are a lot of moving pieces with both those teams. My guess right now would be that neither of them take Shador and then it becomes anywhere's guess where Shador goes. Because like I said to you last week, like he's sort of like Bonex to me, like this, like this this year's version of Bo Nix where last year or very few teams that had Bo Nix as a first round pick, he had to find a fit. And he obviously found that in Denver. No one cares or anybody had him anymore because he played great for the Broncos. I think that's Shador this year where a lot of teams don't look at him as a first round talent and he's going to have to find a fit.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow, that is really, really. And then you get down to the Raiders where they've got Geno, who by the way, play action passing because I think they're going to take Genti. And the reason I think that is Pete Carroll's best years were with Reggie Bush at SC and Marshawn lynch in Seattle and they need a run. But running back, and this is a star running back. And also Geno on play action passes is like his passer rating is 106 since he's been in Seattle. So he's not a guy that's going to play from behind and sling it 45 times. So that is really interesting on Shedeur. So what you're basically saying is the draft guys think there's not a big gap between Shadour and Kyle McCordon, Jackson, Darton, Jalen Milroe. So what's the point of tying yourself to a guy, right? Is that what you're saying?
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Albert Breer
I think it's. I think I would say this. I think for most people I've talked to and I still have a ton of phone calls to make over the next three or four weeks, but I think the consensus that I'm getting from people who evaluate this stuff for a living is that Cam Ward, talent wise, there's a bigger separation, talent wise, between Cam Ward and Shador Sanders than there is between Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart. Again, that does not mean Shador Sanders can't go top 10. It's because there could be a team that sees him as the perfect fit. And if you see him as a long term answer quarterback, you swallow hard and take him same way the Broncos did at 12 last year with Bonix. Even though if the Broncos didn't take him at 12, he may have slipped out of the first round altogether. But yeah, I, I think Shador is closer to the pack, if that's what you're asking. He's closer to the pack than he is to Cam Ward. From a talent perspective, when you talk to all these NFL people, wow, I.
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Colin Cowherd
Kind of look to. I like the sunglasses. I can be honest with you. It makes you look more mysterious and like you have better information. You're hiding something from us.
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Albert Breer
I like it better information with the sunglasses on.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know, there's, there's something. When you get those shades, you got like a detective look to you. I like you're out there behind bushes trying to get scoops from NFL owners. I like the look, my man. Yeah. All right, maybe I'll, maybe, maybe, maybe.
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Albert Breer
I'll try it again next week. We'll see.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Albert Bird, good seeing you, buddy. That's really, that's really interesting. Basically, Cam's the star and Shador is more middle of the pack. He's, he's in the mill row. Kyle McCord, Jackson dart class. So it's like, you know, if you take a quarterback first round, you got to play him. If you take a quarterback in the second round, you can sit him. Nobody's going to complain for two or three years.
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Jason McIntyre
I had totally forgotten what he said about Bo Knicks, how the Bo KN wasn't loved by a lot of teams. You just need one team to love him. But here's the thing. Bo Nicks was pretty damn good as a rookie. They got to the playoffs. Their win total you just flashed was nine and a half. Did this idea that people are passing on Shador because he may not be a good fit. I'm stunned. I got, I'm flabbergaster.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's interesting. It was a very good quarterback draft class last year. Bo Nix was like. But people thought he had a lower ceiling now. Sean loved him. That's the Jalen Milro thing. I hear Pittsburgh and the jets both really like Jalen Milroe now with the Jets. This is, this is a gut feeling. So the jets are like, we're not going to take Jalen Milroe.
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Jason McIntyre
Not at seven.
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Colin Cowherd
No. Aaron Glenn's like, I just came from a stacked roster. We have a good roster here. Jets at 7, go, we'll trade down. Somebody will trade. And all of a sudden you get down to 12 and you get an extra second or a third round pick. Then you're like, okay, we could do. And then you begin, you let the, you answer the phone, don't I. I'm, I'm dead serious on this. When you get a new coach in like a Vrabel or an Aaron Glenn, a lot of those guys, they want their own players. They want more draft picks. They want their own, they want their. Privately, I mean, Aaron Glenn said to Aaron Rodgers, not interested, by the way.
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Jason McIntyre
They did like you said, they just fired, what, 150 people in the building.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, no Aaron Glenn. New coaches generally want their guys time.
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Jason McIntyre
To take out the trash, as they like to say.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I could see the jets trading down and if they trade down and I mean even going down to a 13, 14, then you take Melro and it's like you can argue it's a little hot. You're not taking him at seven, Right.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm pro. Melro again. I know he's. The tape's not great. I just want to know because I think Klatt's coming on later, right? I think I saw that most of the season. We said Shador is going to be one or two in the draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
And now all of a sudden he's dropping like a rock. Colin, something's not adding up here. Is he not interviewing? Well, something's got to be going on.
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Colin Cowherd
Like Caleb Williams. There were some moments people questioned maturity.
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Jason McIntyre
He's a 21 year old kid in front of 22. Whatever.
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Colin Cowherd
We never questioned that with Jaden Daniels or Bo. And we never saw it in the NFL. So there was a little question about Caleb. There's a little question. We don't see it with Milroe. So, you know, you like with Milroe, you don't see any immaturity. Bo Nix, Michael Penix, you saw a little with Caleb, I defended him. And you see a little with Shador. The difference is Caleb is a much better athlete than Shador Sanders. It's not close. So what people may be saying is he doesn't blow you away as an athlete. And he got some of the Caleb maturity stuff we worry a little bit about.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I mean, do you think he's not as good of an athlete as Bo Nicks?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm gonna tell you something right now.
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Jason McIntyre
I know Bo Nix has some.
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Colin Cowherd
Bo Nix is way more mobile than anyone.
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Jason McIntyre
He wants to adjust to start running a 40. He needs to do some activity. I need to see something. I haven't seen anything from him in months right. Since the end of the season. I feel bad for the kid a little bit, but I mean, people are.
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Colin Cowherd
Saying he doesn't blow you away physically and then you throw in some stuff where you're like a couple times. I don't love some of the things he did. And I defended Caleb on it when he jumped into the stands or he painted his fingernails. I did have an executive in the NFL say they hated the fingernail thing. Thought it was really juvenile and really stupid, whatever. But, but, but that stuff matters.
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Jason McIntyre
That's like me saying I hate your hat backwards. Take, man. I just. I can't do it. I count on. I can't.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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Albert Breer
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Colin Cowherd
Jeremy. Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle. Thanks for having me.
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Jason McIntyre
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
- [29:04]
Albert Breer
Hi, my name is Venkat.
- [29:06]
Colin Cowherd
I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
- [29:07]
Jason McIntyre
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses.
- [29:13]
Colin Cowherd
On just one item.
- [29:15]
Jason McIntyre
From the avalanche of news we should.
- [29:16]
Colin Cowherd
Be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary? And what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
- [29:24]
Jason McIntyre
Listen to the middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [29:30]
Colin Cowherd
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.
- [29:55]
Jason McIntyre
The way I approach risk is constantly try things and actually make it okay to fail.
- [30:01]
Colin Cowherd
I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel. I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life. We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times, like Stefan Bonsell, CEO of Moderna. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think.
- [30:23]
Albert Breer
Is the right thing for the world.
- [30:24]
Colin Cowherd
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Did you, did you see this? I saw it this morning. The most popular baseball players based on sales of Nike jerseys from the Fanatics network of sites. Top six are New York or LA. Top 11, all from big fan bases. Braves, Phillies, Mets, Dodgers, Astros. So the Dodgers won again last night. They're now six and oh, so, you know, I've said this before, when you live in the Northeast, you know, people, you know, think baseball begins with Yankees, Red Sox, Mets. People have no understanding really, when they're out east, quite how big the Dodgers are. I mean, The Dodgers average 48,000 per night. Fenway park in Boston only seats 37,000. So I mean, they're averaging potentially 11,000 more per game. And Dodger Stadium's the third oldest. And I'm telling you this, what's a, what's impressive? They average 7,000 more per game than the Yankees and Dodger Stadium. I'm being diplomatic. Is hard to get into. I'm getting anxiety thinking of it. I go to therapy the day before. I go like it is. It tests. You better have patience. And it's a beautiful stadium. It is the food the views, the weather, the people, they're well behaved. It is a remarkable baseball palace. It is stunning, but it's hard to get in and out of. And they're averaging 7,000 more than the Yankees, so. And, and they have a pipeline right now to Japan. They defer the payments. There are miles ahead on R D. And I mean, they don't bring anybody up that doesn't work from the miners. Like everybody works. They. They make very few mistakes. They've led baseball in attendance 15 straight years. They are just a complete revenue monster. This was always a Laker town and now it's a Dodger town. I mean, you don't have to be from here. It is a Dodger to everywhere you go in town. It's Dodger hats. It's unbelievable. And it's just when I look at fanatics and who is selling at Dodger players all through that thing and you know, nobody ever had a problem when the Yankees dominated and the Red Sox dominated. Hot stove league. I can remember being at the other place and everybody celebrated it. Now everybody's freaked out. And I think the Dodgers have separated from the sport top to bottom. And they also were in an event culture. Now Dodger games feel like an event because they have superstars, so. And Yankee games used to feel like that a little bit. When they had Jeter and a rod, it. They felt a little bit like even a Tuesday game felt a little special, like a big event. LeBron Luca can feel that Dodger games feel like an event and that's hard to do in baseball. There's a lot of games. J. Mac with the news.
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Jason McIntyre
No, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, let back to the Tush Push column. The NFL coaches meetings are happening right now. Hot topic is the Tush Push. Everybody's got an opinion. Sean McVay said the tush push doesn't look like football. Matt LaFleur said it's a rugby play. Are you seeing where we're going with this? Demico Ryan said he doesn't like punishing a team for being good at something. Aaron Glenn said his job is to stop the play. The legality of the play was supposed to be voted on today, but the vote has been pushed. Too many may not sure what that means.
- [33:53]
Colin Cowherd
I don't love it.
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Jason McIntyre
You don't love what? The Trish push.
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Colin Cowherd
It's more rugby than football to me. I don't like it. And I think the NFL changed the kickoff. They changed the pat. It feels too automatic. I don't listen, Joe Madden invented a defensive shift and baseball eventually said, congrats on the innovation. But we're eliminating it because we don't think it's good television. It's not good for math.
- [34:13]
Jason McIntyre
So you think the Trish push is not good tv?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I think it's bad. And I think if you're using it six or seven times, I don't think it's good tv. I think it's. I think it's. And again, people have invented stuff in sports and then the governance has stepped in. It's just like tax accountants find loopholes and then the government steps in and goes, okay, you had it for six years. We're closing a loophole. We've got a new administration. So we have regulations, added regulations taken away. We do this all the time in all of our businesses. I don't think the tush push feels like a creative football player.
- [34:43]
Jason McIntyre
So you like dynasties in sports, right?
- [34:45]
Colin Cowherd
I like big brands, big games, big stars.
- [34:48]
Jason McIntyre
What do they do when they dominate? You like them dominating? The tush push is utterly dominant, Colin. It is unstoppable. I'm tuning. The Eagles have hacked things so well that, hey, we just need to get, like, to third and two and then we can get the first down in two plays. That, to me, is smart football and it's dominant. Nobody can stop it.
- [35:06]
Colin Cowherd
Well, defensive shift was smart baseball, but.
- [35:08]
Jason McIntyre
That made it boring. I don't think the tush push is boring.
- [35:11]
Colin Cowherd
I don't think it's boring.
- [35:11]
Jason McIntyre
Is it restricting offense?
- [35:12]
Colin Cowherd
I think it's pretty boring. I would rather see Andy Reid in a third and two do something clever than a leg press by the Eagles.
- [35:21]
Jason McIntyre
A leg press. Well, anyways, we'll see what happens in May. Next up is the 49ers, who you, for some reason don't like this season. Interesting. We're waiting for the Brock Purdy contract. John lynch said he's optimistic there will be no drama, saying, Brock wants to be with us. We want Brock to be with us. When that's the case, these things get done. Hopefully it happens really soon. This off season now, they had a protracted issue last year with Brandon Aiyuk that was very ugly and I'm sure they regret it. They're trying not to make that happen with Purdy. I can't even understand what the holdup could be.
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Colin Cowherd
I think, you know, we always talk about what's the most interesting team. Bears last year, then they weren't by Thanksgiving. I think the Niners are really, really interesting. A lot of older players I mean, they wanted to keep Greenlaw and Hunga. They like that hurt. They wanted to keep those guys. I mean, they went and met with Greenlawn, like, tried to talk him into staying, but he's a Bronco now. And so they had some defense. And remember, Bosa gets hurt from time to time when he's out of that defense. No Greenlaw, no Bosa, no Hufanga. It's not the same defense.
- [36:29]
Jason McIntyre
What about the offensive? Who's stopping that Kyle Shanahan offense?
- [36:33]
Colin Cowherd
I don't know. Plenty of teams did last year.
- [36:35]
Jason McIntyre
Well, with no McCaffrey, no Iuk.
- [36:36]
Colin Cowherd
Well, and it's overcast.
- [36:37]
Jason McIntyre
Ricky Pearsall stop with the weather and Purdy now Ricky Pearsall entering year two. There is chatter that the Niners could go. Tyler Warren go more. 2 tight tight end sets. Shake, shake, shake up the offense a little bit from Shanahan, who's been running.
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Colin Cowherd
Even though we don't have a lot of superstars in the first 12 picks. There. There are some players, like, I mean, again, if you put a pass rusher on the other side of Bosa, you're like, oh, that's an upgrade. I mean, there are some. There are some clear upgrades. Travis Hunter to the Patriots, it's like, oh, they got some speed on the perimeter. Like, that's a real. That could change the outcome of a close game or two.
- [37:12]
Jason McIntyre
Brear made it sound like he's not getting by the Giants, which. And I was just texting somebody about Shador Sanders. I don't know, guy.
- [37:19]
Colin Cowherd
I'm just on the. Shador has to be a top 78 pick.
- [37:23]
Jason McIntyre
I thought he was automatically going to. I just don't see it. But, you know, we've got some time to chew on that final story. Colin. A few weeks ago, we heard reports that the Vikings were interested in Aaron Rodgers, even though they have McCarthy on the roster. Kevin O'Connell addressed those reports saying Rogers was at a point in his career where he was free to have a real dialogue about his future. The Vikings head coach was sure to add he feels very strongly JJ McCarthy is ready to go to work and make a positive impact. I don't know why the Vikings keep talking about Aaron Rodgers. It's. It cannot be good for J.J. mcCarthy's mental health.
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Colin Cowherd
I think a lot of it's tied to his rehab. He had that second surgery in, like, November. I think a lot of it's tied to that.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it's March now, buddy. It's been like six months.
- [38:08]
Colin Cowherd
Well, it's. It's Maybe they're a little.
- [38:10]
Jason McIntyre
He's got to be your guy. Imagine if, you know, I'm your guy. You like me. You just hyping up someone else in the media who wants my spot. How would I feel?
- [38:18]
Colin Cowherd
That's why I'm on the phone all afternoon.
- [38:21]
Jason McIntyre
And then, you know, you ghost me. When I talked to you about the Rockets Lakers last night. Interesting. Okay, I guess I gotta look up.
- [38:26]
Colin Cowherd
Dude, I called you twice this weekend and you're at some.
- [38:29]
Jason McIntyre
I was coaching, you know, I got.
- [38:30]
Colin Cowherd
Some stuff going on.
- [38:32]
Jason McIntyre
We'll catch up soon. The wife's in town. You want to get together?
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Colin Cowherd
My wife's in town? Yeah, she. Yeah, she's. She's in town for a reason I'm not going to talk about. She got. She got business to do. Oh, business. Tedious business. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news.
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Albert Breer
And thanks for stopping by the Herd Lie.
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Colin Cowherd
Occasionally I feel bad for a fan base, and there's one I really feel bad for. Next live in la, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Jason McIntyre
We live in a divided country.
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Colin Cowherd
I am a lifelong Republican with all kinds of different people. You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jason McIntyre
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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Albert Breer
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
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Jason McIntyre
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Albert Breer
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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Albert Breer
Hi, my name is Venkat.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Jason McIntyre
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
- [40:50]
Colin Cowherd
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary? And what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson.
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Jason McIntyre
On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.
- [41:30]
Jason McIntyre
The way I approach risk is constantly try things and actually make it okay to fail.
- [41:35]
Colin Cowherd
I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel. I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life. We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times, like Stephane Bonsell, CEO of Moderna. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business, business strategy and to do what you.
- [41:57]
Albert Breer
Think is the right thing for the world.
- [41:58]
Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
It all changed when I had this.
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Colin Cowherd
Guy come to me. He said to me, you know, you're not Latina enough. First of all, what is that? My mouth is wide open. Yeah. History makers like the Sucar family, who became the first Peruvians to win a Grammy.
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Jason McIntyre
It was very special moment for us.
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Colin Cowherd
It's been 15 years for me in this career.
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Jason McIntyre
Finally, things are starting to shift into a different level.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to Astavajo on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. You have to be very careful with tradition because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
And politics podcast Spolitics.
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Jason McIntyre
On this week's episode, I talk with comedian and CNN host Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.
- [43:39]
Colin Cowherd
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards, and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile, that's important. But you also need chaos Negro. You need. So you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent. He told. He talked. Did you saw the clip of him talking to Obama? He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh, yeah, you. Oh, what you did? You killed Bin Laden. That's what's up.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get. Your podcast.
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Jason McIntyre
Continues today on FS1 starting at 3 Eastern with DePaul versus Cincinnati. Then Oregon State, UCF at 5:30, Colorado Villanova at 8:30, and Tulane and USC wrap things up at 11. The college basketball crown today on FS1.
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Colin Cowherd
So, you know, I've said this before that occasionally you get a fan base that I feel bad for is that the owners getting older or they just, they're not progressive and they're. They just kind of are out of step with the culture. I thought as the three ball got big in the NBA, I thought the Lakers were a little late to the three ball. Some teams were. And I, and I've said I think Jerry Jones is becoming the old Al Davis where they're missing on too many draft picks overpaying for people. Real top heavy as a franchise. I saw this quote. The Steelers are getting comfortable with Mason Rudolph, good kid, been there before. But in his career, 28 touchdowns, 20 picks, not real mobile. Wow. This is a very insular franchise that did not go out of the building when they look for a gm. So it's the same old ideas and the same old insular thinking. Four straight year, they'll spend the most money on defense. Four straight year, they will be, you know, near the bottom of offense. So that's who they are. Mike Tomlin seems to be, you know, okay with Mason Rudolph. If he's the guy.
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Jason McIntyre
That'S why we brought him back. I'm comfortable with that, man. We've been there before. He's a very capable guy. Mason's not a kid, man.
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Colin Cowherd
He's been around.
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Jason McIntyre
He's been in multiple systems and situations, and so I don't expect that to be a significant hurdle. He's a good football guy. He's a good teammate, you know, and that's one of the, you know, informal responsibilities of the job, if you will, to connect with your teammates and lead in a lot of instances. And all of that is. Is a really comfortable, natural act for him.
- [46:18]
Colin Cowherd
Again, he is a substantially predictable and dependable backup in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and in a conference with Josh Allen and Mahomes and Herbert and C.J. stroud. And you get the point. It's just the time of the year. Right now is the time that everybody, all NFL fan bases are embracing hope and the Steelers are embracing Mason Rudolph. And this goes back to what I've said about defensive coaches. They have no urgency on fixing the O line or quarterbacks. So the Steelers need to adjust for quarterback inflation. The price has gone up to be great at quarterback. And I've said it before, even if Aaron Rodgers chooses them, I'll give them one more win. Is I don't like the O line. I think they have two receivers that'll want the ball. They lost their best back. And it's funny, when you think about offense in the NFL, close your eyes and you can think about the Niners and Rams and you can think about. You see creative and you think Kansas City. Close your eyes and you see innovation and you see Philadelphia. Close your eyes, offense, and you think physicality, tush push, run game. You close your eyes on the Steelers offense. There's nothing there. There is absolutely nothing there. And they don't have any identity. And so again, we've said this before. It's okay to inherit a quarterback out of their prime, but they can't be a life preserver And Aaron Rodgers to me feels like a water bottle with a house fire. Like they're, they're offensively, there's just nothing there. There's no identity. Najee Harris said it, there's no culture. You can bring Brady to Bruce Arians, a great GM and excellent receivers. Bring Gronk. That's not a life preserver. They were a 500 team with all sorts of talent. Stafford of the Rams was not a life preserver, but Russell to Denver was Aaron to the Jets. That's a, that's a Hail Mary and that's what Aaron is here like that, hey, you can solve our offense. We're going to pay DK Metcalf a fortune and get 41 year old Aaron Rodgers. So that just doesn't, it just doesn't play for me. Okay, now I did top of the hour. I did NFL future bets. They're now being unveiled with different sports companies. Right. And I had three overs, three unders. I think most of them are pretty easy. I tend to think, you know, I, I, I tend to think the commanders over nine and a half wins, Rams over nine and a half. They had major offensive line and wide receiver injuries in September and October. That's not going to happen again. Patriots over seven and a half. Titans with Cam Ward over five and a half. That's probably my favorite bet. Titans over five and a half is probably my favorite. I think the Chiefs under 11 and a half. Niners under 10 and a half. Cowboys under seven and a half. Chiefs were 11, 0 in one possession games. That doesn't happen. Even if they went eight and three, they'd finish with 10 or 11 wins. And I also think the division's getting much, much better. J. Mac challenged me.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, let's start with the 49ers. So I had to look this up. Kyle Shanahan, you remove his first year in San Fran, right? He just got there. Then they got Garoppolo mid season. The only seasons they haven't won 10 or more games. Garoppolo got hurt in 20, 18, 20, 20. They had injuries after the super bowl and then last year where they had injuries to McCaffrey, Iuk and like everybody, every other year where people have been healthy, 13 and 3, 10, 7, 13 and 4.
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Colin Cowherd
That argument, remember you said, well if you take out the first year, well, McVeigh won first year in LA, so let's not do that.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, he got, he inherited a first round number one overall picket quarterback. The Niners were a dumpster fire when Shanahan got There.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, well the Rams were a dumpster fire with Jeff Fisher so let's not take out the first year. What you're telling me is every other year he has a losing record.
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Jason McIntyre
No, no, he's got. I mean if the injuries to quarterbacks matter, Jimmy Garoppolo goes down like Purdy.
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Colin Cowherd
Has already been hurt twice and their old line's not good.
- [50:29]
Jason McIntyre
Well, last year the injuries were everywhere. But I'm just telling you they're old.
- [50:32]
Colin Cowherd
Old teams get hurt a lot.
- [50:33]
Jason McIntyre
The numbers ten and a half. I would, I would be reluctant to go under, you know.
- [50:38]
Colin Cowherd
You know who didn't get hurt last year? The Rams. Young defense, young units don't. And when they get hurt, they rebound.
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Jason McIntyre
Brandon Ayuk is young. Christian McCaffrey's young.
- [50:48]
Colin Cowherd
Trent Williams isn't. McCaffrey isn't. Kittle isn't there. They have another offensive lineman. They're not, they're not young.
- [50:56]
Jason McIntyre
I would struggle.
- [50:57]
Colin Cowherd
Also they have 12 draft picks even if they hit on eight. That is a lot of young players.
- [51:04]
Jason McIntyre
I do want to see the schedule and. But remember no first place schedule this year. It's going to be okay. I would agree with the Chiefs under I think they could, they could be like a nine win team. I know people don't want to.
- [51:15]
Colin Cowherd
I don't disagree and I'm not overreacting.
- [51:16]
Jason McIntyre
The Super Bowl I would agree with you on the Cowboys agree on the commanders and Rams. Why is the commanders only nine and a half? They got. They seemingly got better.
- [51:25]
Colin Cowherd
Well the Giants could be worse and Dallas will be so I. That doesn't make a ton of sense.
- [51:30]
Jason McIntyre
We're missing something there. Ram seems about right. I think he was just still too bullish on the Patriots. They're just throwing guy.
- [51:37]
Colin Cowherd
They're just Remembering they were 3 and 6 in one score games and they were really bad coaching. So if you have a major coaching upgrade and 200 million and my guess is they have enough draft picks they'll find three or four decent players worth.
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Jason McIntyre
Like four wins right out of the game.
- [51:52]
Colin Cowherd
Well no, it's funny you say that. So what do I think variable's worth? I think from Gerard Mayo to Vrabel, let's just talk is a three point swing.
- [51:59]
Jason McIntyre
I would. I don't disagree.
- [52:00]
Colin Cowherd
Okay. I think Drake may rookie to year two is about a one to one and a half point swing. Okay, so there's 200 million in free agency in a draft class. Again feels like a one to a one and a half point swing. Well, all of a sudden you look up, that's six points. Three and six and one score games. Does that go to seven and two and one score games? If Rabel's worth just a field goal, he's not replacing Sean Payton. Vrabel is. Is replacing somebody who appeared to be a bit over skis. Is Drake May 1, year to second, worth another possession to a game? Moving the chains. And I think if you spend $200 million and get nine draft picks, that's worth a point to a point and a half. So I think I'm looking. I think they. They'll be six. Let's say they're just six points better a game. Well, the three and six become six and three and one score games.
- [52:51]
Jason McIntyre
Now, I don't know if we can. The staff can pull up the NFC west, but I did write down notes here. The Arizona Cardinals are 8 and a half. Did that jump out at us? Maybe I need to consider them because Cowboys 7 and a half, Rams 9 and a half.
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Colin Cowherd
I think people like Cardinals. I think people like Arizona's coaching staff.
- [53:09]
Jason McIntyre
Really?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Gannon.
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Colin Cowherd
And now I'll tell you this. The commanders, it should be noted, face the AFC west. And the NFC north.
- [53:20]
Jason McIntyre
Is stacked well.
- [53:21]
Colin Cowherd
So is the NFC North. So if you're wondering why the Commanders are at nine and a half and not ten to ten and a half, it's. It's a schedule.
- [53:28]
Jason McIntyre
But again, to go over on any NFC east teams, because that is. Those are the two toughest divisions you got to face. Cowboys under is a smart.
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Colin Cowherd
My favorite bet here is is. And it's a little unknown, but I think Titans over and Chiefs under, those are good.
- [53:43]
Jason McIntyre
I think Cowboys under is really good.
- [53:45]
Colin Cowherd
Chiefs are not going 12 and 5. No.
- [53:49]
Jason McIntyre
They looked old and slow in the Super Bowl. Now it's just one game. But the offensive line, have they gotten better this offseason?
- [53:54]
Colin Cowherd
No, it's worse.
- [53:55]
Jason McIntyre
So what are people doing? Maybe the Rasheed Rice is worth a win. A wide receiver. I don't know.
- [54:02]
Colin Cowherd
The Raiders went toe to toe with the Chiefs twice and were bad at quarterback, like.
- [54:09]
Jason McIntyre
And bad at coach.
- [54:10]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Well, not great. All right. Gianni Infantino, the president of FIFA. Joyful. Came on the show today. Made me jealous of his life. Switzerland and Italy, Albert Brer, Joel Klatt next hour talking NFL draft. I heard we live in a divided.
- [54:26]
Jason McIntyre
Country and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national Conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson.
- [54:50]
Colin Cowherd
On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.
- [54:52]
Jason McIntyre
Wherever you get your podcasts.
- [54:54]
Colin Cowherd
What's up, everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
- [54:59]
Albert Breer
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
- [55:02]
Colin Cowherd
The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
- [55:05]
Albert Breer
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
- [55:11]
Colin Cowherd
Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
- [55:14]
Albert Breer
Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
- [55:19]
Colin Cowherd
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You feeling this too is a horror anthology podcast. It brings different creators to tell ten vile.
- [55:36]
Jason McIntyre
No, no, no, no, no, no.
- [55:38]
Colin Cowherd
Grotesque.
- [55:39]
Albert Breer
Oh, my God.
- [55:40]
Colin Cowherd
Horrific stories on what scares them the most. You feeling this too? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You have to be very careful with tradition, because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
- [56:01]
Jason McIntyre
I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talked with comedian Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.
- [56:13]
Colin Cowherd
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards, and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million Dollar Smile. But you also need Chaos Negro.
- [56:27]
Jason McIntyre
Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app.
- [56:29]
Colin Cowherd
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.