Hour 2 - Raiders NFL Draft decision

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2: Raiders NFL Draft Decision

Podcast Information

• Title: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
• Description: The Herd with Colin Cowherd is a thought-provoking, opinionated, and topic-driven journey through the top sports stories of the day.
• Episode: Hour 2 - Raiders NFL Draft Decision
• Release Date: April 4, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, co-hosts Steve Covino and Rich Davis fill in for Colin Cowherd to discuss the recent NFL Draft decisions, focusing particularly on the Las Vegas Raiders' controversial pick. The conversation delves into the influence of personal relationships on professional sports decisions, the dynamics within the Western Conference of the NBA, and broader themes of forgiveness in sports.

Raiders' NFL Draft Decision and Family Influence

The primary focus of this segment revolves around the Raiders' decision to draft Ashton Genti, a standout running back from Boise State. The discussion highlights the unusual influence exerted by Raiders General Manager John Spytek's son on this decision.

• Ashton Genti's Performance:

  • Danny G: "59215 from Jacksonville, playing for Boise State. 374 carries over 2,000 yards, 2,601 yards, 29 touchdowns. And he averages seven yards of carry. So again, over 2,600 yards for Boise State. That's pretty wild." [11:19]

• Spytek's Son's Influence:

  • Covino: "Raiders GM John Spytek says, and I quote, my son has made it no secret that if we don't pick Ashton Genti at number six, that he's walking out of the family and he's gonna find someone else." [11:45]

The hosts draw parallels with other instances where family members have influenced team decisions, questioning the appropriateness and impact of such practices.

• Discussion on Family Influence:
  • Danny G: "He’s actually saying the pressure that his son is putting on him is too much to ignore." [15:21]
  • Covino: "It reminds me of when the Giants, Joe Shane, his son was like, dad, you gotta, you gotta go with Jaden Daniels." [12:10]

The conversation examines whether it's reasonable for sports executives to consider their family's opinions in high-stakes decisions, ultimately questioning the balance between personal influence and professional judgment.

Impact of Defense in the NBA's Western Conference

Transitioning from the NFL, the hosts delve into the NBA's Western Conference playoffs, emphasizing the often-overlooked importance of defense in securing championships.

• Defense vs. Offense:
  • Covino: "We've accepted over the years, are we including hot dog eating? You know, the four Majors, football, baseball, basketball and hot dog eating. Okay, just making sure though..." [07:03]
  • Danny G: "Aaron Judge has a torpedo glove now. So he's not dropping anything." [08:14]

The discussion cites historical examples from various sports where defensive prowess has been pivotal in winning championships, arguing that defense should receive equal, if not more, attention in basketball analyses.

• Role of Key Players:
  • Rich: "What's the whole joke? Look at the draft board. Every year, there's misses, right?" [17:06]

They also analyze recent NBA games, such as the Lakers vs. Warriors matchup, critiquing the Lakers' defensive strategies and Luka Doncic's performance under defensive pressure.

• Luka Doncic's Performance:
  • Rich: "He had a bad night shooting the ball. He contributed in other ways." [09:18]

Coaching in Youth Sports and Decision-Making

The hosts shift focus to the nuances of coaching youth sports, posing thought-provoking questions about fairness and decision-making when dealing with varying levels of participation and commitment among young athletes.

• Coaching Challenges:
  • Covino: "Is it fair as a coach for me to bat kids later in the lineup that show up late because it's on their parents?" [32:22]

They debate the balance between teaching fundamentals and managing team dynamics, ultimately advocating for flexibility and understanding when it comes to youth coaching.

• Danny G's Perspective:
  • Danny G: "I never take him out. I wouldn't take out the kid just because his parents suck." [33:22]

Forgiveness in Sports

As the episode progresses, Covino and Rich introduce a segment on forgiveness, exploring scenarios where athletes have committed blunders either on or off the field that fans and peers find unforgivable.

• Will Smith Incident:
  • Danny G: "I never forgiving Will Smith until Chris Rock does, I'm not forgiving Will Smith. I hate what he did to him and how he humiliated him." [51:43]

This segment aims to provoke listeners to reflect on their own perceptions of accountability and redemption within the sports and entertainment industries.

Upcoming Events and Promotions

Towards the end of the episode, the co-hosts promote their upcoming live broadcast party in Las Vegas from June 20th to 22nd, encouraging listeners to attend and engage with the show in a more interactive setting.

• Live Broadcast Party:
  • Covino: "We're going to be in Vegas June 20th, 21st and 22nd. So book your flights now. Details to come." [29:27]

Additionally, they mention their interactive games and prize giveaways intended to enhance listener participation and enjoyment during the show.

Notable Quotes

Throughout the episode, several memorable quotes underscore the hosts' opinions and insights:

• Covino on Family Influence:

  • "Is having your kid who really is invested. Like, think about when you were a teenager, right? I feel like I was as locked in as ever." [12:45]

• Danny G on Coaching Philosophy:

  • "I was the most locked in. At probably 12, you were collecting baseball cards. Yeah, that's it." [12:53]

• Rich on Defensive Strategies:

  • "The defense will play the biggest factor in the Western Conference who could lock up some of these high power teams." [08:32]

Conclusion

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Steve Covino and Rich Davis offer a deep dive into the complexities of sports management, the significance of defense in basketball, and the ethical considerations of family influence in professional decisions. Their candid discussions, enriched with personal anecdotes and expert analysis, provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the latest sports developments and the underlying factors shaping them.

For those interested in the intricacies of sports decisions, team dynamics, and the broader implications of leadership choices, this episode serves as an insightful resource that goes beyond surface-level sports commentary.

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[Covino]

Now let's get this party started.

[Rich]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

[Covino]

Lucky you. Friday, Covino and Rich in for Colin on the Herd. A true pleasure as I know Camino's doing, watching the Yankees, scratching your ass later because you got your road colors on your gray and navy blue. Look at you.

[Danny G]

I can't wait. Dude, I'm so pumped. Baseball's back. The weekend is here.

[Covino]

Soto hit a bomb tonight in his first game at Citi Field. Is a Met.

[Danny G]

I hope not. But yeah, there's a good chance. That would be sweet.

[Covino]

That would be sweet.

[Danny G]

I haven't forgiven him. Talk about that later on. People and players you just can't forgive. That doesn't mean I hate him. I mean, I kind of hate him, but not really. Again, we're at Covino and Rich on social media at Steve Covcovino, Rich Davis. Remember to catch our podcast. Search Covino and Rich wherever you stream your podcast. And guess what, Herd Nation, we're having a big party doing a live broadcast and everybody's invited. This is your invite. Don't expect an evite or a personal text. This is it. We're going to be in Vegas June 20th, 21st and 22nd. So book your flights now. Details to come. We're going to have a party. We're going to have events. Three days of fun. We've done it in the past, but this is a huge party. Hundreds, thousands of people showing up. Meet some Fox Sports Radio listeners, friends of ours. We've been doing this for a long time, so come and hang with us. We're celebrating. And if you can only make it one day in Vegas, make it 21st because that'll be the big party night. Yeah, I know a lot of the 20th, 21st, 22nd.

[Covino]

I know a lot of the Fox Sports Radio crew will be there. So again, like you said, June 20th to the 22nd what not to look at the stock market. What to look at the highlights of that Lakers warriors game last night. We talked about that.

[Danny G]

Man, that was an electric atmosphere. The game was so fun, so much back and forth.

[Covino]

If you missed our one of the Herd today, we talked about what. What do we really want out of the Western Conference in the playoffs? Because OKC is just so damn good. But is that what we really want? Do we. Do we lean towards the nostalgia of one more time like a Brady Manning? How many times there was a point where you're like, come on, one more time. Do you want Steph and LeBron to battle one more time? Is that who you want to emerge from the West?

[Danny G]

Yeah.

[Rich]

And don't forget, we have affiliates listening in Colorado screaming at their radios. What about the Nuggets?

[Danny G]

What about the Joker?

[Covino]

Oh, best Nuggets Chick Fil A by.

[Danny G]

Far Roy Rogers back in the day.

[Covino]

No, but I'll be honest. The Joker, you can't count him out. And to be honest, I don't know if anyone has a big man that could play against Jokic in those big situations. In fact, some argue. I heard Adam Shine fire old pal@Sirius XM Believable.

[Danny G]

Hey, who's better than you, Adam Shine guy?

[Covino]

I heard Adam Shine, Adam Shine who Talking about how perhaps the Lakers with Anthony Davis before the trade matched up better if they were to bump into the Denver Nuggets.

[Rich]

Well, you could say that for the Lakers against the warriors as well. The one thing that I. One mistake I feel like the Lakers made. We talked about it in our one where they didn't lock down on defense until towards the end of the game, which you know, is just an effort thing. What about driving to the hoop? The. The warriors are a much smaller team than the Lakers. On their starting front line, the tallest player was Jimmy playoffs at 6 7. The Lakers went into a shooting contest against the Warriors. You're not going to beat the warriors like that.

[Covino]

Usually there was a moment in the fourth quarter where they were going 3.

[Danny G]

For 3 for 3.

[Covino]

And I'm like. And in my mind I'm like, this is sweet and all, but the warriors.

[Rich]

Win this battle, drive to the hoop Lakers. That's what they should have done. And I think in an extended series against the warriors, they would make that adjustment.

[Covino]

You know what's interesting? Am I you back me on this thought or you think I'm incorrect? In all the major sports football we've.

[Danny G]

Accepted over the years, are we including hot dog eating?

[Covino]

You know what? Add that. Yeah, the four Majors, football, baseball, basketball and hot dog eating. Okay, just making sure though I did go to a Kings game the other night. Always fun to go to hockey live. Then I get back to reality. I'm like, man, I'm not going to watch on tv, but I love going to a hockey game. I digress. We've accepted over the years because it's been proven defense wins championships. In football. We've seen it with the Steelers before a lot of us were born, Steel Curtain. We saw it with teams at the 80s, the 90s, the Ravens, the, you know, the Seahawks. There have been teams where defenses, Denver, Denver defensive have carried teams. So we acknowledged defense wins other sports. We still don't accept the fact that defense is such a big part of the game. You watch baseball, a team makes one error, that could be the difference in the ball game. A great outfielder tracks down a fly ball that a bad fielder would have let bounce. Like, no, no.

[Danny G]

Aaron Judge has a torpedo glove now. So he's not, he's not dropping anything.

[Covino]

But yeah, defense in the NBA again because scoring and threes and you know, back in the day, dunks. Everyone loves offense. Defense will play the biggest factor in the Western Conference who could lock up some of these high power teams.

[Danny G]

And it's any edge you can get. You're talking about the elite athletes in every sport. So yeah, if you could prevent anything from happening or them scoring in any way, you're getting any advantage, you can. Defense, of course matters.

[Covino]

I'm saying when you hear analysis though, it's shocking how the NFL is the only sport. We really talk a lot about defense because you get a whole conversation about defense in the NBA, but not really that exciting of a conversation. But that will be the factor if the Lakers are going to go anywhere. If the Lakers are going to go anywhere. Luca can't have the traditional.

[Danny G]

I mean, you saw it last night right there. Draymond Green. If he didn't get that ball last night, the Lakers could have turned it around.

[Covino]

Jimmy Butler with some great defense. You saw defense win in the fourth quarter.

[Rich]

Usually Luca has a much better performance playing the Warriors. He usually shoots well against Golden State. And so he had a, you know, he had a bad night shooting the ball. He contributed in other ways. You saw those nice passes towards the end of the game that got the Lakers back into it. When they got cut it to, what was it? 105, 100. I think all of us were like, okay, here we go. They're going to lock that defense down. Maybe Luka is going to Find his shot. So Now Steph scored 37 against the Warriors. Luca is a deficit on the defensive side of the ball. He needs to score 37 points for the Lakers.

[Covino]

No doubt.

[Danny G]

So again, we're Covino and Rich. Your thoughts at Covino and Rich? We talked about that. First hour. Now next hour we're going to play some games, like I said, for prizes. Right now we're going to talk about Ashton Genti. Ashton Genti.

[Covino]

And wait, is that the guy with the morning routine? No, I'm kidding.

[Danny G]

Ashton Hall.

[Covino]

No, I'm joking. That guy splashed some ice water on my face.

[Danny G]

Yeah, he's all the rage. He has his nighttime routine.

[Covino]

Hold on. I got to rub bananas on my. On my skin.

[Danny G]

I've been rubbing bananas all over my body. Banana peels. Banana peels.

[Covino]

What are you doing with the.

[Danny G]

Okay, no, no, no. But Ashton hall is the viral video guy who's all about his morning and nighttime routine. Ashton Genty is a junior for Boise State.

[Covino]

This guy's a beast.

[Danny G]

Yeah.

[Covino]

And you know a bit more about him because your girlfriend's family is from Boise.

[Danny G]

They have. Yeah, true. And that's the first I heard of him. I'm like, yeah, yeah. You know, they're always talking about it. It's huge there, right? Season ticket holders. And there's a lot of pride for the team. So I've heard about this dude for a long time. Running back, 5 foot 9, 2:15. So we're talking a tiny brick house.

[Covino]

But they compare this guy to the, the. The speed and agility of a McCaffrey with the muscle tone and strength of like a DK Metcalf. Like they're saying that special kid. And can you just show the stats for last year again?

[Danny G]

59215 from Jacksonville, playing for Boise State. 374 carries over 2,000 yards, 2,601 yards, 29 tuddies. And he averages seven yards of carry. So again, over 2,600 yards for Boise State. That's pretty wild. Now that's the stats, that's the backstory. That's what he did at Boise State.

[Rich]

He's by far going to be the first running back selected in the draft.

[Danny G]

And here's the update. Raiders GM John Spytek says, and I quote, my son has made it no secret that if we don't pick Ashton Genti at number six, that he's walking out of the family and he's gonna find someone else. So that's from, again, Raiders GM John Spy Tech on SiriusXM NFL Radio.

[Covino]

It reminds me of when the Giants, Joe Shane, his son was like, dad, you gotta, you gotta go with Jaden Daniels. And we saw that courtesy of Hard Knocks. Those, those clips were released and you gotta think to yourself, is having your kid who really is invested. Like, think about when you were a teenager, right? I'll be honest, I feel like I, I was as locked in as ever when I was a teenage boy watching sports. Because other than girls when I was a teenager, you didn't have a job, you didn't have responsibilities and a mortgage and a house and all that.

[Danny G]

I'm sure you were in it.

[Covino]

When I was a kid, all I cared about was girls and sports. So I feel like maybe I was even more into sports as a teenager.

[Danny G]

So I would say I was the most locked in. At probably 12, you were collecting baseball cards. Yeah, that's it. Like you knew every stat. You knew everything that was going on. Not the business, you had no other responsibility.

[Covino]

Not the business side of being a GM and making moves like that. But when I'm talking about watching highlights, really locking in, is it crazy when GMs and owners take into consideration what their kids and family members say? I'm always a fan of fresh set of eyes, fresh set of ears. I'm never the person that's like, I'm in charge and my say is final. I love the idea of like in the past we've been like with interns or young producers. Yo, if you got something cool to contribute, let us know. I want that new perspective. And I wonder if you think that's ridiculous.

[Danny G]

It sounds ridiculous. I don't think it is. When you really break it down.

[Covino]

I think it's ridiculous.

[Danny G]

When Woody Johnson, when you pay a guy to be the GM and he's getting his tips from his 10 year old kid.

[Covino]

No, I think it's ridiculous. I think he's oldest kid when Woody Johnson was not wanting to do a Jerry Judy deal because his kid didn't like the Madden rating. That's, that's ridiculous. But if you have a kid and think about it, if you're a family that's so locked in, think about it. Your dad's a vending machine machine repair man. My dad worked for the Department of Environmental Protection. He was like an office guy. If your dad was the GM or owner of a franchise, you don't think you'd be a little more locked in. You don't think your family eats breeds. And what do you think the dinner conversation is? It's probably football.

[Danny G]

Oh, there's no question about it. And I get it, you're making sense of something that sounds ridiculous. It's a matter of, you know, who has their ear. And I'm sure everyone in his circle, his wife, his girlfriend, we've heard those stories too. Oh yeah, my wife was a big fan. So, you know, this is why we did it. And also, you know, he's a 10 year old kid. He's that far off the mark because he knows the hype. He knows what his little friends are talking about all the time. You know, these kids are playing video games all the time. They're watching it, they're glued in, they're locked in. I understand where you're coming from, Rich. I don't think you just, I don't think you want to hear that that's a high profile position. You want to think that there's some sort of analytics or real thinking involved in the decisions they're making for the future of the franchise. You don't want to know that it comes over your kid's lunch discussion with his nose picking buddies while he's eating a sandwich out of his lunchbox.

[Covino]

It's crazy to think there's tech people that are million millionaires and billionaires creating apps and all that. You don't think they check with their little nose picking kids and their friends, do you? Got it. You're keeping your ear and eye to the playground. To what the.

[Danny G]

No, longer to the streets.

[Covino]

Keep your ear to the playground. You got to know what kids are interested in if you're trying to appeal to that next generation. So if you don't think tech people are constantly saying what is the younger generation doing?

[Danny G]

Spy. Tech people are definitely saying that because again, that's the word that he's, he's getting this, this tip and he's making this move, hoping to make this move based on his son's choice in his son's pressure. He's actually saying the pressure that his son is putting on him is too much to ignore. So you remember when you would beg your dad to take you to Toys R Us and he'd be like, yeah.

[Covino]

Get away from me. And he'd slap you in the head.

[Danny G]

Eat it. Remember when you would beg your dad for a dollar cuz the ice cream man was down the street and you're like, yeah, I don't have any. You don't have a dollar, dad? And you beg. This nose picking kid is like, dad, you gotta get Ashton Genti. He's putting so much pressure on him and he's Actually listening. That's the difference, too. Our parents wouldn't listen to anything we said.

[Rich]

I sure. As a Raiders fan, I sure hope spytech's listening to his son, because this is Brady's boy from Tampa Bay, and he's known to be fond of big offensive linemen. Okay. And so I think a lot of the mock drafts out there have the jets at number seven taking Membu of Missouri. Can you imagine a spy text kid going nuts if his dad selects Armand Membu, offensive offensive tackle from Missouri, instead of Ashton Genty?

[Covino]

You know, I mean, we've heard.

[Danny G]

We've heard ridiculous stories throughout our look at the. And sometimes it pans out. Look what happened with the Dodgers and Piazza, right? I mean, that was a favor. So it could work out. Either trust your kid or not. That's really the question.

[Covino]

I. My mind changed on this. And this is by no means disrespect, but when we worked with Steve Phillips years ago at Sirius xm, man, what.

[Danny G]

A head of hair on that guy.

[Covino]

Great head of hair.

[Danny G]

Inspiring. In fact, I remember him, and I.

[Covino]

Would always chat it up in the kitchen about baseball and sports in general. And I realized this guy ran my team, the Mets, for years. He's just a guy. He's just another man. He's just another human being that might have a little more insight here or there. And it's great coif and great hair.

[Danny G]

But he had, like, a Leslie Nielsen, like, impeccable coif.

[Covino]

And from that moment on, I'm like, you know, what do they really know? Much more than we do every year. There's swings and misses in every draft.

[Danny G]

They have to, though.

[Covino]

What's the whole joke?

[Danny G]

Why are they getting paid to do this job?

[Covino]

What's the whole joke, though? Look at the draft board. Every year, there's misses, right? Like someone. Someone missed on Aaron Rodgers. You know, the 49ers picked Alex Smith. People miss Lamar Jackson. And people that like that were taken after, who, Like Josh Rosen. Like, there's. There's Mrs. Every year. So a teenage kid who's like, dad, I really like this guy.

[Danny G]

There's always silly reasons that pan out. Didn't Jeannie Buss also admit recently that she really pulled that trigger on the Luca trade because of how fond Kobe was of Luca? I mean, it's an easy choice. I get it. But that also played into her decision, like, to honor Kobe.

[Covino]

He.

[Danny G]

He was a big fan of Luka. There's always, like, some weird decision. It's just a matter of who has that influence on that powerful person. I'm sure. You know, we give a lot of credit to moves that managers and GMs make. I'm sure their wives are also in their ear all the time. I mean, because that's who you're bouncing things off of.

[Covino]

You just said Jeanie Buss. What if Jay Moore, who used to work here at the network, what if Jay Moore is like, yeah, babe.

[Danny G]

Yes, Luca, yes. I think you'd be silly to downplay his influence.

[Covino]

You don't think your wife. My wife has influence on my decisions.

[Danny G]

That's what I'm saying. Like, so it's just things we don't want to factor in. And you don't want to necessarily believe that a 10 year old is pulling the string here, but that's really the story because guess what? His dad is the GM of the Raiders. Your dad isn't. Yeah.

[Covino]

And it all goes back to again, Shane on the Giants, Joe Shane, where you saw his kid laying on the couch doing what every kid does. Remember when you land the couch, you throw the football up and. Or the ball up and catch it and you're just horsing around.

[Danny G]

Dude, I couldn't get my dad to play video games with me. Imagine getting your dad to draft Genti dad.

[Covino]

Play. Play Mario Brothers. Yeah, I don't know what you do.

[Danny G]

Remember how hard it was to get your parents to like do stuff like that with you when you were a kid.

[Rich]

Dude, imagine all the trades and movement and how exciting the NFL draft would be if all the general managers kids made the team selection in each slot.

[Danny G]

Oh, that'd be hilarious.

[Covino]

Dude, imagine if kids were in charge of everything.

[Danny G]

You know, there is something to be said, Rich, honestly.

[Rich]

Oh, we have four day work weeks.

[Danny G]

I gotta say, that's true. For sure. If I was in charge of everything, we'd have four day work weeks.

[Covino]

I bet you we'd have better snacks in the vending machine here if kids were in charge.

[Danny G]

Oh, without a doubt, without a doubt. I think the coolest point you made was how locked in a kid really is between like 10 and 13. Cause after 13, you turn into a little pervert, right? So now you're distracted, but from 10 to 13, you're so locked in on video games, sports. And most of the video games you're playing are sports related. So you're so locked in, probably more locked in than any adult, because adults have more distractions and responsibilities that take them away from their focus of making those right moves. So, you know, honestly, I was going to come here and Dump on this. That really swayed my thinking on where we were going.

[Covino]

I'm glad I did because I thought about that mindset and I said, you know what, we do this for a living. I know that sounds crazy. We don't have the knowledge and IQ of a Colin. That's not our vibe. We're more of a fun light show. But we're locked into sports and what's going on in the world of movies, tv, pop culture. We're locked in because it's our job. But if you would ask me, is there any other time in your life when you may have been even more locked in, and I'm thinking 12, 13.

[Danny G]

Year old me because your whole life revolved around it.

[Covino]

If you asked me any place you could have been, like Rich, Brett Saberhagen, I probably knew his era. If you asked me, hey, Rich, how many home runs does Andre Dawson have right now? 19. Like I would have known every stat mid season after season, everything, because you are locked in. So when management actually hears and listens to their kids, I don't think it's as crazy as you think.

[Danny G]

The crazy part is him making this a public announcement and a story out of it. I think that's the crazy part. I think it's happened forever and all the time. But the fact that it's a story is what's surprising here.

[Covino]

No doubt.

[Danny G]

And the other interesting question, too. Yeah, if kids were in charge, the world we'd live in and the other moves that would be made. That's hilarious.

[Covino]

Think about that. And coming up, we're going to talk about forgiveness. Who are those athletes that either said or did something, a blunder on or off the field where you really can't get over it for some reason, you don't respect or like that athlete anymore. Can you forgive them a story Covino has. We'll get to forgiveness. We'll talk a little more. NFL, some NBA. We got music with the herd Line news. That's all coming up right here. Kabino and Rich in for Colin on the herd.

[Danny G]

One more herd.

[Rich]

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[Big Sexy Ryan]

We live in a divided country.

[Covino]

I am a lifelong Republican with all.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Kinds of different people.

[Danny G]

You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.

[Danny G]

Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.

[Covino]

Thanks for having me.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Jeremy, Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.

[Covino]

Thanks for having me.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.

[Danny G]

Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.

[Wendy]

We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these.

[Covino]

Jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Danny G]

All right.

[Covino]

Good day.

[Danny G]

I said good day. Gonna make it a good day. Great day with Cavino and Rich. You know the CNR show in for Colin on the Herd giving away prizes next hour. And again, you're invited to our party, live broadcast party, June 20th through the 22nd in Vegas. So just book your flights details to come. But we're gonna be out there celebrating and we're happy to be here on the herd. I'm Steve Covino. That is rich. We got Danny G. Producing on the phones, 877 for the herd. That's 877-484-3437. We got big sexy Ryan. We got Ryan music. We got a spot on the videos at Covino and Rich.

[Covino]

Before we get to the hardline news and forgiveness and the NBA and the NFL. I got three rando questions for you. You cool with that?

[Danny G]

I guess.

[Covino]

And they're all over the place cuz AD it is at its finest with me.

[Danny G]

Can I say one last thing though?

[Covino]

Sure.

[Danny G]

When it comes to Spy Tech and his son making the decisions for the Raiders. Yes, 10 year old, nose picking son. I was having an epiphany. I was in the hallway thinking and I was like, you know what, it sounds ridiculous but it's not that ridiculous because we all do that sort of thing on a lower and lesser level. Like how many people listening bought a car because their kid liked it or got an apartment or bought a house because their kid was like yeah, this is the one, it's great, I really like it. And at the end of the day it helped you make the decision but you had the final decision. So with Spy Tech, yeah, his kid is pointing him in a direction with Ashton Genty but he's still making the final decision. So it sounds silly but it's not that silly.

[Covino]

It doesn't sound that silly because when my wife and I were looking for a house, this is a true story. Our kids were very little and when we walked in the house we looked at the kids to be like yo, like yeah. Are they vibing?

[Danny G]

And they're like yeah, we love it. And like well they love it.

[Covino]

If you're made the decision, if your kid's eyes light up, that's, that's the story right there. That's your answer.

[Danny G]

It's the same thing on a much bigger level with the Raiders, but he's a superstar player. You're probably going to get Superstar results again. 5925 Ashton Genty of Boise State. Now that was my thought. You have rando questions.

[Covino]

Three rando questions.

[Danny G]

And now we're going to talk forgiveness.

[Covino]

All right, the Yankees are currently what, four and two?

[Danny G]

Yeah.

[Covino]

Mets are currently what, three and three. So right now you have a one game lead over me. Meaning I'm a Mets fan. Cavino's a Yankees fan. In the beginning of the season we made a bet. Thousand dollars. Whose ever team had a better record? Do you want to up the ante at all?

[Danny G]

Oh that's a good one.

[Covino]

Meaning I don't want, I'm not going to say like another couple thousand.

[Danny G]

I did this bet before Garrett Cole went down.

[Covino]

I'm giving you, you have a one game lead right now. Five games into the season, I'm sorry.

[Danny G]

Six games in, I'm still confident in the Yankees.

[Covino]

So if I were to say yeah, Thousand dollar bet.

[Danny G]

Okay.

[Covino]

And then an additional hundred for each game that they're better. So if the Mets are. If The Mets are five games better and they win, that's 15.

[Danny G]

I know. You're the radio effect of like, let's go.

[Covino]

No, I'm looking for you to back down. You're saying the Yankees are so great.

[Danny G]

I'm not backing down. But what I do want is like, let me think about it for a minute. Like, you're not going to get to.

[Covino]

Yeah.

[Danny G]

All right, hold on.

[Covino]

Music during the break, how much was Kavino talking?

[Danny G]

Fact.

[Covino]

About how great the Yankees are and Soto made a mistake in the Mets stink.

[Danny G]

That's true.

[H]

There was.

[Danny G]

Yeah.

[H]

Some very heated discussions about the superiority of the Yankees over the Mets.

[Covino]

So take the last. Take the last sip of your cold brew. Go ahead, let's hear it. Last sip of your cold brew. 100 bucks for each additional game.

[Danny G]

I got to think about it. You're not going to get the handshake right now.

[Rich]

Okay, how about this? When the Dodgers repeat, you both give me a thousand.

[Covino]

You know what, Danny? That's easy money for you. The goal is The Dodgers win 120 games and much like every other team in every other major sport, the best record. This is a fun fact. Music. I'm sure Colin has pointed this out. The Bruins, the Patriots, the Mariners. And who'd I miss? Oh, the Warriors.

[Danny G]

Warriors.

[H]

Yeah.

[Covino]

Yeah. All four best records. Those teams all went on to lose in the playoffs.

[Danny G]

So best records doesn't mean best team always. I'm hoping that the best record.

[Covino]

I'm hoping The Dodgers go 120 and then losing the NLDS. Anyway, that's question one. So Kavino backs down.

[Danny G]

No, no, no, no. But hold on, let me get this right before we move on, not to drag it out. You said let's up the ante. Do you want to make it $2,000 and. Or just another hundred dollars for every game?

[Covino]

Thousand dollar bet. And then $100 for each game. That's better. So if the Yankees have an eight game better record than the Mets, that's 1800.

[Danny G]

Okay, so. All right, let me think about it.

[Covino]

Okay, question number two. If you coach kids sports like I do, I'm coaching My daughter's 8U softball and my son's pony ball T ball.

[Danny G]

Are you really coaching now? I heard your daughter's pulling all the strings here. I heard your daughter made the lineup.

[Covino]

She made the lineup. No, here's the question. Is this because. Remember when you were a kid playing Sports. Because we all did.

[Danny G]

I heard your daughter said to draft a little Becky McMillan.

[Covino]

So when you were a kid, was there any better time than playing sports? Right. Not. Not. Nothing else compares to Pop Warner football, pal Basketball, Little League, Ponyball. Is it fair as a coach for me to bat kids later in the lineup that show up late because it's on their parents? But if I'm saying, all right, kids show up a half hour, an hour before the game for warm ups. If, you know, little Johnny's good, but he's showing up right before the game and his dad's all klutzy like, oh, sorry, he's here. And I'm like, yeah, I put him at the bottom of the lineup. Do you make your lineup based on the kids that are there or if the kids parents are flaky, like the kid misses practices, but they're good?

[Danny G]

I wouldn't take out the kid just because his parents suck. I never take him out.

[Covino]

But I'm saying if I'm making the lineup and it's 15 minutes before game time and you know, little Becky Johnson's not there because her mom's like, flustered and I'm making the lineup, she might. If he's our. One of our best players, do I say, you're here 10 minutes before the game, you're batting last?

[Danny G]

I'd make the adjustment. Well, at this stage of the game, your. Your goal isn't necessarily to win because there's so little.

[Covino]

So just to teach lessons, maybe, I.

[Danny G]

Don'T know, teach a lesson. And yeah, I would say that's. You're teaching fundamentals, you're teaching lessons. That's really the stage you're at right now. So do it while you can because next year I think you're playing to win. Yeah.

[Covino]

And the last question, we lost Val Kilmer this week. If you were to recommend. Let's go around the room music. Big Sexy Ryan, Danny G. Spotty, even. Chime in if you want. If you were to recommend one Val Kilmer movie for everyone to watch this weekend to honor the late, great actor, 65, passed away. What's your go to Val Kilmer movie? Music Man.

[H]

I'm torn between two, but I'm gonna give us both.

[Covino]

What do you.

[H]

The first one that came to mind was Tombstone, but he is also very, very close. I'll go with Tombstone if I got to choose one.

[Danny G]

It's wild how everybody has a favorite. That's what we've learned and noticed as we honor him this week. Everyone has a different go to when you say Tombstone, I think of pizza and the movie.

[Rich]

So.

[Danny G]

Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a good plan for the weekend because I haven't had enough pizza this week.

[Covino]

I know.

[Danny G]

No, Tombstone is the one I would like to see because it's been a minute and it's the most classic even though there's so many great options. Like I've seen Doors. I always say he's more Jim Morrison than Jim Morrison in that movie, but I've seen it so many times. Tombstone will be my go to this weekend.

[Covino]

Danny G, Big Sexy Ryan, what you guys got?

[Rich]

I'll go first here. Since Tombstone was already taken. How about one from the late 80s? Burn this VHS tape out. It was in our collection. Willow, think of Val Kilmer as an action star in that movie.

[Covino]

Sexy rhyme to actually top secret and real genius. Good one. These are, these are good ones. I'm going to go way recent just because the guy to the. To the right of me that thinks his Yankees are going to win 100 games this year. Steve Cavino has never seen Top Gun Maverick.

[Danny G]

And that's true. Yes. And I'm sticking to it. Yeah.

[Rich]

And on our show yesterday afternoon into the evening, Rich, you were pestering him to do that, which is a mistake.

[Danny G]

Well, yeah.

[Covino]

Camino's the type of guy that if you tell him to do something, he won't do it.

[Danny G]

I don't know if it's like a trait that I inherited from my dad or like a Mexican thing. My mom's Mexican. Because they often say that the more you pressure Canelo Alvarez to do something. Not comparing myself to the great Canelo, but I am. The more you pressure him to fight like a David Benavidez, the more he's like, now I won't.

[Covino]

Now I won't do it. You tell me to do it, I won't do it. I don't need to do anything. I'm Canelo.

[Danny G]

The more people pressure me to do things, the less I'm inclined to want to do.

[Covino]

But you're hard headed.

[Danny G]

I have to feel like it's my own choice. The more he pushes this movie on me, the more I'm like, no.

[Covino]

Because I think it's not a big.

[Danny G]

I'm gonna watch Tombstone and the White Lotus finale.

[Covino]

It's not, it's not a big role for Val Kilmer. But I was telling him powerful. I was telling him that I wasn't even a big Top Gun fan as a kid. I want to put Top Gun as one of my favorite 80s movies.

[Danny G]

I watched the Original recently. I used to. I watched it when I was a kid. I used to play the video game for Nintendo, Top Gun. I watched it recently. I was never that need for Speed kid. I did not like the original. I hated it in fact.

[Rich]

So like for me, the sequels and actually is actually a better.

[Covino]

Agreed.

[Rich]

Wouldn't you agree?

[Covino]

I told Kavin, I go, dude, we're talking the same language. Back to the future Goonies, Indiana Jones, Karate Kid. We all love the same things. Top Gun was not in my top list. But the second one, you got a nice big tv, the Sonos surround sound. It's.

[Danny G]

Well, if there was any weekend in honor, it's this weekend.

[Covino]

All right, well, with that said, it is time for the herd line news. Let's go.

[Danny G]

No, no, no, no. Heard on the news. This is the herd line news.

[H]

All right, let's check in on some NFL news. Jameis Winston, now a member of the New York Giants after playing one season with the Cleveland Browns. Well, apparently it was an impactful season for Jameis because he's posted a thank you to Cleveland on his Instagram. He said, I'm so happy and grateful for everything we experienced together this past year. Now, that was just a small part of what was a much longer caption for the post. And look, I hate to be this guy and do this because his intentions are clearly in the right place. Just trying to show some gratitude to the city of Cleveland and to the organization. Feels like we've gone a little far with, like, these thank you posts and tribute videos.

[Covino]

It's not a lifer. It's not like Jeter leaving the Yankees or Big Papi leaving the Red Sox. It's not Tom Brady's farewell to the Yankees.

[Danny G]

It's like the. The pressure to do it. It's like when that random person leaves the office and they have to send a mass email to everybody. It's like, I barely knew the guy. It's all good.

[Covino]

Oh, John's leaving accounting. I've worked here at Iheart for 12 years. Who's that? I just wanted to say it was.

[Danny G]

A great run and. And Godspeed to everybody. It's like, hey, beat it, dude. I barely knew you. And, you know, I really feel like it's just become the thing to do is my point. Absolutely.

[H]

And, like, you see this a lot in the NBA with, like, the tribute videos. You know, Luka's gonna make his return to the Mavericks in the next few games, and I'm sure they'll give him a video. And, like, I get it. Obviously Luka's a great player and they went to the NBA finals and everything. But like you traded him and he's gonna have a much longer career. I mean, we hope, obviously.

[Covino]

Yeah, but he should have a much.

[H]

Longer career elsewhere outside of the Mavericks. So it's just I find these things to be kind of weird. Like, like you guys said, look, if it's, if it's like if someone like Dirk. Yeah, if Dirk had played and then he's like, hey guys, I want to go take like a one year deal to go play with the Knicks or something. And then Dirk comes back. You're giving Dirk a video, you're getting, you're giving him a send off. But some of these others, the Mets.

[Covino]

Gave someone a video recently. I'm a big Mets fan and it was, it was honestly like an irrelevant player.

[Danny G]

Yeah. You know where I was getting this vibe too, like farewell seasons and like, oh wait, is that becoming a thing where everybody gets that, like, you know, you have to earn that sort of thing? I was getting that vibe that everyone was just getting some sort of farewell tour at every game for a while.

[H]

Yeah, it's definitely. We've gone a little too far. But hey, look, Jamis a gracious guy.

[Covino]

Good for him. I think the Mets gave Michael Conforto like a video. Like someone that was like, you know, a key player for a couple of years. It's like everyone gets a video that.

[H]

Seems a little odd. All right, we'll stick with the NFL here. We continue to wait on Aaron Rodgers and if he's going to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers, inevitable or what? It seems to feel that way. But look, the Steelers, they're not waiting around. They're going to start making some moves while they wait on Rogers decisions. Today we have multiple reports Steelers hosting Ole Miss quarterback Jackson Dart for an official pre draft visit.

[Covino]

That also doesn't make terribly bad sense because it's not like Aaron Rodgers would play more than a year or so anyway, so.

[H]

Totally. And nobody's buying Mason Rudolph. Yeah, you can keep trying to sell us Mason Rudolph. Nobody buys it.

[Covino]

But I mean, like, wouldn't Pittsburgh love a situation where you have Aaron Rodgers for a year or so with some young stud waiting in the wings? That's. That seems to be the template, right?

[H]

Absolutely.

[Covino]

By the way, is Colin sold on Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh?

[H]

He sold on. It's either retirement or that. And he doesn't really buy that even if the Steelers sign an Aaron Rodgers that it's going to make much of a difference. Colin did his some of his pre draft over unders and I think right now they have the Steelers at eight and a half win total and he looks at it and goes, if they sign Rodgers, maybe they're like a nine win team. If they don't sign Rogers, they're like a seven or an eight.

[Danny G]

Aaron Rodgers needs to start working on his goodbye letter. For real. A guy like him, you want to play to win. I don't think you're winning anything with the Steelers. I don't think he's the difference.

[Covino]

I mean, I don't know how crazier things have happened, but how do you feel about the theatrics of the, you know, little workout with DK Metcalf? To me it's like, come on, pull the trigger.

[H]

Exactly. Like, like we're supposed to believe that you've had all this time to look at what the Steelers are and you're like, oh no, I went and threw some passes with dk. Now I'm in. Like you've seen DK play. You know what he can do. It's all good here. All right, we'll wrap up with this odd and unfortunate sort of injury in the NBA last night. T Wolves taken on the Nets. They're the superstar for Minnesota and Edwards shooting like a fallaway three in the corner. And he actually ended up stepping on Nets coach Jody for Jordy, excuse me, Jordy Fernandez's foot. So yeah, he sort of rolled his ankle, needed help off the court. Now he did return to action, ended up scoring 28. Timberwolves got the win. So thankfully everything seems to be fine. Fernandez apologized for not moving out of the way and sort of causing sort of the injury there. But I've always wondered about that. You know, basketball coaches at times they go way out onto the court and obviously we know in all levels of football you have the get back coach for the guy who needs to pull him back off the side.

[Covino]

Who's the guy who had to get. Was it, was it McVeigh? Someone had their personal get back for sure.

[H]

Got one because he's way out there. But yeah, obviously everything's all good. But I always find that kind of interesting that these coaches sometimes get a little aggressive and you're like, yeah, I hope this doesn't create any issues.

[Danny G]

No, it's got to stop there because then at least like Mr. Fuji with his cane, like dipping into the rain.

[Covino]

Tripping people, the mouth of the south with his megaphone.

[Danny G]

I know, out of the way and don't wear extra long cockroach Killer boots just to trip up the other players like. Yeah. Sounds like an illegal move.

[Covino]

Well, thank you, Ryan. That's your Herdline news.

[Rich]

Well, that's the news.

[Danny G]

And thanks for stopping by the Herd line news. All right, so we have games to play next hour, so stick around for that Candyland. We're gonna play Hungry Hungry Hippos. We're gonna play Operation Water on the Knee, collect a thousand dollar fee.

[Covino]

Did anyone actually play Operation?

[Danny G]

No.

[Covino]

Did anyone play Mousetrap? No. You just set it up.

[Danny G]

I know. Yeah, I never had.

[Covino]

No one ever played it.

[Danny G]

No. We're gonna play a game called quote me your job, Fox Sports Radio Nation. The Herd is to guess who said it. Multiple choice for some prizes here on the show. We do that next hour. But coming up, forgiveness. Is it just like saying sorry? Forgiveness, people and players, you'll never forgive.

[Covino]

For whatever reason, even if it's the dumbest reason.

[Danny G]

It involves Will Smith the actor, not the baseball player. All right, so it involves him. And we'll talk about it next. The CNR in for Colin on the Herd.

[Covino]

Be sure to catch live editions of.

[Danny G]

The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino.

[Covino]

And I'm Rich Davis.

[Danny G]

And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.

[Covino]

You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app.

[Danny G]

Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?

[Covino]

We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world.

[Danny G]

We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss.

[Covino]

And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something. Something, right?

[Danny G]

So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.

[Covino]

I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth.

[Danny G]

Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.

[Covino]

And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

We live in a divided country.

[Covino]

I am a lifelong Republican with all.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Kinds of different people.

[Danny G]

You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.

[Danny G]

Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.

[Covino]

Thanks for having me, Jeremy.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.

[Covino]

Thanks for having me.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.

[Danny G]

Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.

[Wendy]

We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary?

[Covino]

And what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[I]

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.

[Danny G]

I just knew him as a kid.

[I]

Long, silent voices from his past came.

[Wendy]

Forward and he was just staring at me.

[I]

And they had secrets of their own to share.

[Wendy]

Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynch Scott.

[I]

I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.

[Wendy]

Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

[I]

I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.

[Wendy]

If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.

[I]

I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.

[Wendy]

At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.

[I]

Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy, Jeremy, I.

[Danny G]

Want to tell you something.

[I]

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[Danny G]

Thanks for hanging Covino and Rich. That's us, the CNR show in for Colin on the Herd. And when the boss says, yo, want to fill in for the herd? We say, absolutely. So we could shamelessly promote our stuff, our show. And it's an honor. Thank you guys for hanging out with us. We're on from 2 to 4 Monday through Friday on Fox Sports Radio 5 to 7. So affiliates who don't carry us. Come on. What are you waiting for? Thank you to all the affiliates, everyone who checks out the podcast. Search Covino and Rich, wherever you stream your podcast. And remember, we have a bonus show called Over Promised. Overpromised is our bonus show because we only have two hours Monday through Friday. So we do Over Promised on fox Sports Radio's YouTube page. And since I got your attention, remember, we're having a party June 20th through the 22nd in Vegas. Live broadcast. A lot of our friends are going to be there. Listeners, come meet some people. June 20th through the 22nd, again, I'm Steve Covino. We got Danny G on the phones. And this is where we chop it up and get you involved. So Write it down. 877-484-3437 8774. The herd. Or at Covino and Rich. Because the question is this. Who is somebody you're never gonna forgive? It could be in entertainment. It could be in life. It could be in sports because of a bonehead play they made or a bonehead decision they made. The story goes like this, Rich, I don't know if you heard about this or if you realized, but Will Smith came out with a new record based on a true story. And I'm not here to promote it, and I'm not here to make fun of it either. I'm really not. But it's got that old school hip hop, Will Smith sort of vibe to it. It's exactly what you'd expect, right? Based on a true story. And the first track is called Barbershop. And it's based about. Based on people talking about Will Smith in the barbershop. There's a video to go along with it. Jazzy Jeff's on the track.

[Covino]

I'll tell you what, I watched the video of the song. It's entertaining.

[Danny G]

Yeah, no, it's a bunch of.

[Covino]

It's Will Smith dressed as a bunch of characters. A lady Eddie Murphy, and coming to America, where he's everyone in the barbershop.

[Danny G]

And I liked. I liked, liked. I liked. Parents just don't understand Will Smith. I like that Will Smith. And that's kind of what you're getting here.

[Covino]

So I'm like, do you like Summertime Will Smith? Drums, please. But then again, you're a guy that didn't love Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

[Danny G]

So let me start off. I didn't. So I'm trying to be positive. I liked his early stuff.

[Covino]

Independence, Take one.

[Danny G]

I kind of liked it, but I didn't love it.

[Rich]

His classic album he's the dj, I'm the rapper. If you've never listened to that album, go back. It's where there's a song called Brand New Funk that still hits.

[Danny G]

Oh, dude. Like I said, I want to start with Props, okay? He's the first ever to win Carrot Top. I'm Carrot Top. I got lots of props to get props. So break out the golf club. He put. He helped put rap on the map as far as mainstream, right? He's the first to ever win a rap Grammy, if I'm not mistaken. And for 56, he looks fantastic. So there's my positive spin. And he portrayed the late, great Muhammad Ali.

[Covino]

And you know what? On social media, for a guy that's that age, he's relevant. Working with all these young influencers, Will Smith is a great follow on, like, TikTok and Instagram. So there's the props, there's the props.

[Danny G]

However, in the song Barbershop, it's sort of based on what people say about him. And the premise of the song is, I'm never gonna forgive him for that s he did for that ish he did. That's the hook, and that's the. The chorus of the song.

[Covino]

And he's singing to you because you're one of those people.

[Danny G]

I never gonna forgive him for that s he did, meaning what he did to Chris Rock. I've never been a big Will Smith fan. I never hated him either. But I've always been a Chris Rock fan, and I sort of hated what he did to Chris Rock. I don't know anybody that thought that was appropriate. Slap. That was the weakest and a really weak moment. And until Chris Rock forgives him, I'm not forgiving Will Smith. I hate what he did to him and how he humiliated him. So based on me never forgiving Will Smith until Chris Rock does, who else are we not forgiven?

[Covino]

I have.

[Danny G]

I have a few.

[Covino]

I have the number one answer on the board, really. And there's no way there's a better answer. People never forgiving this guy. Sports, entertainment, you name it. Who will you not forgive more? Next, CNR in for Colin.

[Big Sexy Ryan]

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[I]

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Scofield in Bone Valley Season one.

[Wendy]

Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

[I]

I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.

[Wendy]

At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.

[I]

Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2, starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.