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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. It's our number two, all sorts of stuff happening. Aaron Rodgers is now officially a Pittsburgh Steeler. And we're gonna go to Roy Hibbertt, the former all defensive team two time all star Indiana Pacers who play tonight at home getting five and a half points. I actually think I'll take the points tonight. I do think. I, I don't think there's a talent disparity with Indiana, Oklahoma City, which I do, I did feel like there was a talent disparity between Milwaukee and Indiana or Oklahoma City and Minnesota. I, I think Pascal Siakam's an A player. Halliburton's an A player. Miles Turner is a great rim protector. I, I, I actually like Indiana. I like him at home and I think OKC because of their many rotational players, it's not a great road team. So I'll take the points with Indy tonight and we'll talk about that in a second. So I, I, you know, you know this, that last year was a great, not this past draft, the one before was a great draft. Most of those quarterbacks went to the NFC. Jaden Daniels, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix went to the AFC. But the reason the AFC has been better than the NFC, not necessarily just the super bowl but but overall is because the AFC for about a seven year stretch kept hitting on quarterbacks and you know, C.J. stroud and Herbert and Burrow and Mahomes and Allen, they just kept hitting and hitting and hitting on him. So if the young NFC quarterbacks like Jaden Daniels and Caleb and Panicks, if they can hit in that draft a couple of years ago, it'll even things out. But right now the best quarterbacks in football are overwhelmingly in the afc. So now as Aaron Rodgers goes from the jets to the Steelers, he stays in the AFC again with a defensive culture and a defensive head coach. I, I, let's just how good do we think he is compared to the other now he's past his prime, he's 41 year old. Aaron with the other AFC quarterbacks. Well, I'll just start it with this. Since 2022 and that includes the last year in Green Bay. Aaron is not Geno Smith and I know you don't want to hear that, but if you told me I had a game to win, I'd take Gino. Gino right now moves, he's more mobile. He's pretty close to his prime though probably a bit out of the prime. He has a better passer rating, completion percentage, much larger yards per game and he's winning more games, so. And Gino's not in the upper tier of the AFC quarterbacks in my opinion though I think he's a little undervalued. But if, if I went today and you told me best quarterbacks in the AFC and I mean maybe my order's not perfect or to your liking because I think Burrow last year honestly was the best quarterback. I'd go Alan Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, that's the big four. Nobody disputes. I'd go Herbert, C.J. stroud and I put Gino seven. And again when Gino has a run game in his career in Seattle, he was good. His passer rating is over 100. So we can make, we can say now Gino, Sam Darnold, when he's rattled or there's pressure, he can be reckless. But if you give him time and you give him a decent run game. Gino Spence, pretty good quarterback. He's a B plus plus and I would put the eighth best quarterback, Bo Nix who's going into year two with Sean Payton and I think Bo Nix is so much more athletic than anybody wants to give him credit for. His running is a huge element of that offense. And then number nine I think you get Aaron, Trevor Lawrence and TUA where it kind of just depends on the game. I don't trust to in bad weather up north. Trevor Lawrence makes too many mistakes. And Aaron's. He is a pocket quarterback. So that's kind of what you're looking at. Can you make the playoffs with the ninth best quarterback in the afc? Absolutely. Especially if your defense is great. But that's kind of where he's at right now. He's sort of in that to a Trevor Lawrence, Aaron Rodgers, I think that's fair. He's 41, he's a strictly a pocket quarterback. And Arthur Smith, six years coach and coordinators, had one top 10 offense. Remember the Steelers lost their best running back, their left tackle and their best receiver. No other team in the NFL had that kind of losses in offensive production. And with that we bring in Roy Hibbertt, the two time all star from the Pacers, all defensive guy. I want to start with this, when you guys would face the heat, those games were good and they were combative, especially in Indiana. But there was a sense there was a big gap in talent. And I would agree, mostly Bosh was in his prime. Wade probably out of it. LeBron the best player in the world. I don't think there's a gap in OKC and Oklahoma City talent like that. Now, I do think OKC is deeper, but I think Siakam and Halliburton are both A players, whereas SGA may be better than both. But at this point, Holmgren's wildly inconsistent. What to you, the talent between OKC and Indy, where are you on it?
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Demarcus Beasley
To be honest with you, I'm kind of where you are right now. Both of these teams have kind of figured out their identity and they do it in a group setting. You know, OKC really does it with their defense and everybody has a part of it. Sga, you know, really gets his hands in there trying to get a lot of loose balls in. It propels their offense as well. So defense propelling their offense. Now with the Pacers, I don't. They don't overmatch. Their identity is so much different than my team's identity. We did it through defense and getting stops at the rim. Myself, David west and obviously Paul George and Lance Stevenson and George Hill on the perimeter. But this team plays with such pace and that's their identity. And they got to get in the fast break points just to cover that difference that OKC brings on the. On the defensive end. Only nine fast break points last game. That. That to me is unacceptable. This is a team that on a loss in game three against the Knicks, they had 16 in a six point loss. So that is there and that's where the magic happens. And Halliburton, to me, is the focal point here. And I'm not sure if I'm answering your question, but I would like to see tonight, in tonight's game, Halliburton take it upon himself to maybe take two or three more shots that may be not the right plays because he's such a good, unselfish player that sometimes to his own detriment, I think his teammates would be okay if he took a couple extra shots where he looked people off and try to push the pace, get it and one at the rim kind of change the pace. Because Indiana at Gainesbridge, they go crazy. This is all we have. We have Colts and we have basketball, and that's basically, I think, what can help them win tonight.
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Colin Cowherd
When did you realize Halliburton. And by the way, most of the guys coming into the league are 18, 19, 20 years old. So it's not like the NFL where a college kids had four years in a college weight room. A lot of NFL players come into the league either, you know, engaged or married. And they also know their careers are shorter. So NFL guys come in more adult. These NBA guys are still developing. You don't know what you have. When did you first think Halliburton? Was there a moment, Roy, for you, that you thought, oh, wow, oh wow, this, this could be a star in this league? Was it two years ago? When was your first thought that this kid just wasn't a good gangly young point guard? He was something different?
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Demarcus Beasley
I think, you know, it's slowly built and it's the way I felt that a star was being born, but a different one, A different one where he doesn't need to take all the shots anymore. So I think the last two, three years he's really, you know, caught the attention of everybody in Indiana. Maybe not national wise, but may I say in the last two years, just the way how they played, the Pacers have gotten better and better and better. And he's not selfish. This team is not selfish at all. Pascal Siakam last year came in halfway through in the season with a great trade. It was able to fit right in. And you know, some of those best players, like LeBron, during that, that heal time, everybody has to sacrifice. And to me, a true leader willing to sacrifice.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the, you know, it's interesting with Indiana, their pace of play, the NBA has decided we're going to let you be very physical. And I think in seven game series it can be problematic. I think it actually is why New York beat Boston is that New York came in and they're, they, they, they want to make it muddy and ugly and physical and they're built for it. When you look at Indiana and their pace and their style, do you think it ages well? Is this a, is this just. I mean, Denver looked like the best team in the world and then a year later, Denver can't win a second or third playoff series. Does Indiana age well? Do they keep Turner? Does this style age well?
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Demarcus Beasley
I think they should keep Turner. He's well on his way to becoming one of the best pacer, I think centers in history. With his amount of wins he's had, I think he should have been an all star at this point in time. But the way how they play, I think if they're able to continue to Have a good bench now. I think their bench wasn't as good as OKC's bench last time, but when you have Obi Toppin, you know, who could hit, you know, five threes in a game and give you 17 points when he starts off the game with three bad turnovers in game one and then still be able to finish strong. When you have T.J. mcConnell who's like a undersized guard but plays defense really hard from picking up the top of the key and then also pushing the pace, he got Jalen Brunson in a lot of foul trouble in Games 3 and 4 against that new York Knicks team. So I think you have that core and then you keep building around, getting good smart pieces that that fit. I think this, the team could age pretty well.
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Colin Cowherd
I gotta ask you about Cooper Flack. So you played several years with the Georgetown Hoyas. You were a two time first team all biggie, so you played a lot of college basketball. That's just not the world we live in anymore. Although the NIL is keeping guys in a little longer. When you watch Cooper Flag go back to your first year in the NBA, what is Cooper Flag's number one challenge going to be? From dominant college player to NBA player? What is going to be a smack in the face? What is going to be tough?
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Demarcus Beasley
All right, so for me I would initially say the physicality. But having seen him play against USA players and NBA type players and have viral moments where he like embarrasses some NBA talent, I don't think that's going to be an issue for me. It's just going to figure out, you know, his place in, in like on the team when, you know, say when Kyrie gets back, where is he going to fill in? Is Kyrie going to be able to, you know, who's, who's known as an alpha? Is he going to be able to fit in well with him, which I assume they do have that Duke connection, but he can go in like 10 to 20 game stretches where he's playing well then. And then, I mean AD gets hurt. Now he has to take over. So finding his place every couple of games is probably going to be the biggest thing in terms of because they have two alphas right there and then also to me is just finding a three point shot consistently. He took three shots in the front three, three pointers per game last year. So I feel he's going to be a lot more open and if he doesn't see a couple go in as a rookie that could really mess with Your mind saying that? You know, what I did last year was so successful and now I have two, three games where I'm missing them. And the three point shot is such a big shot in the NBA. I think that's going to be a happy medium right there for him to try to find the perfect setting.
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Colin Cowherd
I can go back to even the 70s and the NBA. Roy has been a players league, but I do think the X's and O's matter. But culture matters. So when Mark Jackson left and Steve Kerr arrived, it went from a defensive culture. It probably benefited play Thompson and Steph. It was more of an offensive culture. I think Eric Spoelstra. Eric Spoelstra has always demanded you play defense. Popovich. So when the Knicks fired Tibbs, now multiple teams have said you can't, you can't draft our players or you can't interview our coach. And I look at the Knicks, I like their talent. I don't love it, I like it. But I would argue this. They were Villanova in New York, they were tough, they were scrappy. And that was created by Tibbs. Am I overvaluing Tibbs effect on the Knicks? Because I look at their culture and I think I love Brunson. But some of it is that when I think of the Knicks, I'm like, if you had, if you had to guess, you'd be like, oh, that's a Tibbs team. The way they play, the minutes of their starters, their physical, I don't know, I think Tibbs deserves more credit in New York than he got. Or am I overstating his value?
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Demarcus Beasley
I mean, back to back 50 plus seasons is not something to laugh at or anything like that. You know, when I play, we want to always punch down at the Knicks. You know, they're always Broadway and everything like that. But I feel like it is a culture now. Do I wish that they, you know, had a little bit tips, would like go to his bench a little bit more, or could the front office bring, you know, a better bench to fill out so they could obviously play and have a little bit more diverse of interaction? Because when guys are playing against the Pacers who haven't played all season long, they don't have that rhythm, they don't have that grind, they don't have that foundation that they've done this in the past with their teammates. Now the Knicks, now offense. I feel like a little bit too much leash was given away. You know, Jalen Brunson was too much one on one. And it was just, it was, it was Not a good cohesive group on offense to really feel like, you know, they could win a championship. It has to be done by a group. And I feel like maybe some change is needed there, a different offensive change. Hopefully that defense can translate over because I mean if they didn't have some turnovers, they could have gone a different way. The Pacers could have lost some of those games if we didn't have Halliburton's, you know, antics. Not antics, but superhero antics at the end of the game. But I think that it might be time for a different offensive coach. But I like what he did there when the time he was there.
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Colin Cowherd
Roy Hibbert, two time all star with the Pacers. All defensive guy, great senior. Roy, I appreciate you taking time for us.
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Demarcus Beasley
Appreciate it. You have a good one.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I, I think Indiana's talent, it's not they don't have as many top end rotational players. But Halliburton, Miles Turner, Sayakum, those are good players. Those are big time players. And Obi Toppan, the former Nick is insanely long and athletic. So when he's hitting threes, I think Indiana's talent, you don't mow through Milwaukee, Cleveland mow through them without talent. I and also, you know, again, OKC I think is one of the youngest teams in the league, second or third youngest team, young teams trying to close out a series even at home. That's why Denver was scary. Denver's been in these wars. Oklahoma City is a big difference between winning game two, win three, game four and a game six to win the championship. You look at that Boston team before they won and they had veterans, they got tight. You're like, I don't know. But so I Denver was a great example of Denver played much looser against Oklahoma City. They just weren't very good defensively. They didn't have the depth. It became at times kind of a one man offense. I think Indiana is going to hang, I think tonight at home. You know, Siakam has always been good. We're just talking about him now. J. Mack. I'm taking the points.
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Unknown
I talked to him, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I'm gonna take the points.
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Unknown
I'm surprised. Pacers are five and a half point dogs. People just think Oklahoma City's this juggernaut and they have led for all but two minutes so far through the first two games.
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Colin Cowherd
Right. Well, what they've done is what nobody else could consistently do. They've slowed the pace. So when you have great defensive teams, this is I said when the Seahawks had that great young defense and they embarrassed Peyton Manning. They make you uncomfortable. So the Pacers were able to make Milwaukee uncomfortable with their pace, Cleveland uncomfortable, the Knicks uncomfortable. Oklahoma City has reversed, taking away and changing the pace. So that tells you it's a historically great defense. But I think at home I'm going to take the Pacers.
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Colin Cowherd
Bears Bears employ yeah, I mean, my.
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Son'S promoting from eighth grade to ninth grade, and I'm way more fired up about that than I am game three of the fight. Now, if it was LeBron Curry, I'm gonna have to skip the the celebration of my son to watch two legends in the finals.
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Do you guys can tell when Cowherd gets all worked up? The look on his face, just laughing at our soccer team. Well, he's gonna laugh at this list from Chris Sims because everybody's favorite NBC Sports analyst has now ranked the top 10 quarterbacks heading into next season. He has Lamar Jackson, 1, Josh Allen, 2. I whatever. If I would flip those, but it doesn't matter. He has Joe Burrow three, Patrick Mahomes, four. I don't totally disagree with that. Mahomes line of four is going to get some people worked up. Sims went on to say that Mahomes quarterback play week in and week out has not been at a high level. I mean, I've been saying that on the show for. For two years. What really got my goat, Collins, is Chris Sims had Jalen Hurts, who was just the MVP of the Super bowl at 10 behind Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, C.J. stroud, Matt Stafford, and Jaden Daniels. That's comical. I'm sorry, Chris. That's laughable.
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Colin Cowherd
No, that's. That's right where I have Jalen hurts as well.
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Unknown
10.
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Colin Cowherd
When you look at the weakness of the Eagles, it's their passing game that's the weakness. PFF did a breakdown of every team in the league. Strength, weakness, the weakness. Greg Cosell has been saying this now for two years. Jalen's not great from the pocket, which is where I want my quarterback to throw from. There's no question now. He squats £650. Pound for pound, he's the strongest quarterback probably in league history. He is not. We got to be honest with this. If you're under 6:2, sometimes the pocket is not your ally. And he is a shorter. He is a shorter quarterback than ideal. That's exact. When the weakness of your team is the passing game. And by the way, they have the best offensive line in the league, so they have everything built to have a great passing game. AJ Brown, Devontae Smith, best left tackle, arguably in football. Saquon Barkley. To take the pressure off a quarterback. They're literally built to have the best passing game in the league, and it's the team weakness. I don't think there's any question. I. I would take Baker over Jalen if it was one throw in a football game.
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Unknown
We need to drug test you right now. Baker over Jalen hurts. That's insanity, Colin. So listen, I like pro football focus as much as the next guy, but when did it become the Bible where it's like, oh, well, Pff. Said this, so it's got to be true. And, like, there's different interpretations. I guarantee you tonight at your big swanky dinner, okay. With the Chicago Bears brass. Why don't you ask them? Hey, guys, give me some of the toughest quarterbacks to game plan for. And I guarantee you Jalen Hurts is in the top five again, because you can't stop the run, you can't stop the tush push. And he's also a very accurate thrower against zone and man.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You like small quarterbacks?
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Unknown
Jalen Hurts is small?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, no, I mean, yeah, Jalen Hurts is compared to Herbert Stroud, Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Pton Manning, Big Ben. Dan Marino is small. Yes. He's like five, eleven and a half. He's small.
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Unknown
Oh, dear. So, you know, just. I hate to puncture your argument like this, but we had this last week. Jalen Hurts in the pocket. Only 6 foot 2. I guess he doesn't get a lot of balls batted down at the line. He crushes from the pocket. He puts the ball wherever he wants to. He can make it rain against any secondary in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Would you argue they have one of the best? I mean, is there an argument if I said wide receiver, tight end skill that the Eagles run an elite class of. I mean, they don't have T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, but AJ Brown and Devonte Smith. That's. That's a pretty good group.
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Unknown
Sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And would you think that they have one of the best offensive lines for protection in the league? I'd say the best. That's reasonable. They, Jalen Hurts during the regular season, threw for under 200 yards a game.
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Unknown
Well, when they're blasting teams because nobody can stop their offense, who cares? Is this a passing yards thing? Well, Baker Mayfield has more passing yards. He's better.
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Colin Cowherd
You often use Brock Purdy's passing yards to augment how good he is.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
Look at. He is putting up the numbers. It means something.
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Unknown
I like the. The postseason success. Brock Purdy's had more postseason success than Lamar Jackson. So has Jalen Hurts.
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Colin Cowherd
And you're just ask yourself this. Tomorrow, every GM can have CJ Stroud or Jalen Hurts.
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Unknown
Oh, I'm taking Hertz in a heartbeat.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm taking Stroud in a heartbeat.
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Unknown
And I'm beating you. You know, my team is better. Boy, these are fun offseason and discussions. The staff remember. Jalen Hurts Flashpoint. I can argue that all day. That's fun. All right, let's move on to the NBA. Colin. Kevin Durant. I Don't know. They keep saying he's going to be moved. Brian Windhorse says it's coming before the draft. You're reading stuff. I'm pretty sure all of this is planted by Durant's guy, Rich Kleiman. The Knicks are interested, by the way. Shams is tight with Rich Kleiman. Go look at all the news he's broke on him. I mean, you don't have to be a superstar math major to realize. Oh, look, let me connect the dots. Everything coming from Shams is planted by KD's camp, which is why we're hearing Rockets and Spurs now. We're hearing Timberwolves. We're even hearing Heat. Kevin Durant wants out badly. He wants to get it done before Giannis. He doesn't want to have to wait. And Colin, there are some odds here on his next team. The spurs are now minus 160. Now, you cannot lay the lumber on this. Personally, I wouldn't. Would you trade for Kevin Durant at 37 or Giannis in his prime?
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Colin Cowherd
Like, yeah, Giannis is. Yeah, I mean, he's wildly productive on both ends, but I, I. You're not going to have to give up as much to get Kevin Durant. And I think there's those teams on that list, like the Rockets, Knicks and T. Wolves feel like they need a tweak, not an overhaul. So males are good teams. Spurs, I don't know. I think KD is about as good a guy as you could bring. Doesn't have a huge ego. He doesn't need the ball in his hands. He's highly effective. He still gives you 25. I got no, I'm a, I'm a KD guy, so I, I like him.
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Unknown
You like arguing online with social media, random people, like, all the time, and it's not delivering in the playoffs lately.
- [30:26]
Colin Cowherd
It doesn't matter. I don't care that he does that. It doesn't bother me. I. KD is actually pretty social online.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm not.
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Colin Cowherd
It's not my game, but it doesn't bother me. There are a lot of people in the celebrity space that are active on their, you know, tick tock and E. Ig. I'm not. A lot of people are. I'm not going to blame somebody much younger than me for that.
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Unknown
Final story, Colin. Major League Baseball. The Dodgers are starting to show kind of some chinks in the armor here in the pitching staff. It's not looking good at all, but there is good news on the horizon. Shohei Ohtani pitched a three Inning simulated game yesterday Colin. Dave Roberts told reporters Ohtani is nearing return and he wouldn't rule out Ohtani pitching before the All Star game next month. That is shocking to me and here's why. Look at the Dodgers pitching staff this season. You are seeing just not good. I mean they are bottom 10 in many of these stats. That's a bit of a surprise. You love this team coming in, Colin. A little underwhelming so far.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean I think everybody loved it, but they had, you know, they're, they're playing by a different set of parameters because of their financial gap in the system. So I mean they brought in some pitchers who had a history of injuries. They're all about August, September and October. The Dodgers, it's just different. So, you know, and, and I, I, the regular season is long. They're all about getting Snell and the kid from. Is it glass now? You know, Otani. This is, this is all about September. I think they'll be fine. They, you know, the last couple of years they've had these sort of, sort of soft three week stretches and it's almost always been a lack of available arms. So I feel like we're just kind of going through the same, I mean these seasons are so long. I don't, I don't, I mean even in the NFL they're going to 18 games probably by next year. How valuable will September be? You know, it used to be if you're 02, you don't make the playoffs in an 18 game schedule, it's just not going to matter. I mean even in college football, Ohio State lost at home as a huge favor to Michigan. They made the playoffs and won the Natty. So I just think the longer the season, these, these minor disruptions don't matter as much.
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Unknown
And their pitching was dominant against the Yankees in the World Series. They just haven't looked at. Is this a little bit of the Celtics? Remember the Celtics won the title and then kind of went through the motions at times. This year they got passed by the Cavs in the East. Is there a little of that at play?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I mean if you, if you kind of look at the big picture of baseball, like Detroit's been surprisingly good. Like Detroit's been really good and there's a couple teams like the Yankees that are a marginal threat but if you stack the roster and they're healthy. No, nobody's beating this team. Nobody's beating the Dodgers. J. Mac of the news.
- [33:23]
Unknown
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I was thinking about this. I love mystery when it comes to like a true crime series. I don't love mystery with my quarterbacks. Remember the Jordan love where, like we didn't see video for three years? I saw this. I know it's just a Minnesota Vikings fan page. I understand. I'm not, I'm not going crazy here, but JJ McCarthy threw a pick for a third straight day. I'm just, I, I haven't, I haven't, you know, my two questions are. I've seen one preseason game. He was good in it, by the way. 11 of 17, 190 yards, couple of touchdowns. Passer rating like one. He was very good. I saw the highlights. Didn't watch the game live. Saw the highlights. He was very good. Then you get the two surgeries. So we don't know what he is, but it is, there's so much mystery here. Why does Minnesota keep flirting with our quarterbacks? And there's too many conflicting reports on J.J. mcCarthy. So I, I, I just find the whole thing, there's a lot of stuff. I just don't know. I feel sometimes I'm getting, I'm getting a little bit of a spin job here. You know, I, I will say this is, and I think, J. Mac, you and I have had this discussion to be a great franchise quarterback. And I again, I think Jalen Hurts is probably 10th best in the league, but I do think he's a, He's a top 10 franchise quarterback. If you're top 10 in a league of 32 teams, you're good. There's got to be a trait. There has to be a wow trait. So let's just go through them. Mahomes arm talent. Allen sheer force of size. Lamar athletic ability. Stafford has one of the great arms in the last 30 years in the league. He's got a magical arm burrow. Composure and accuracy like as good as Brady in his prime if you look at the numbers and analytics. Herbert big, strong power arm. CJ Stroud accuracy like just, I mean, moving left, moving right, moving forward. CJ Stroud's accuracy since high school is insane. Hurts strength, pound for pound, 600 pound squats. Kyler Murray elusiveness. You start stacking up these quarterbacks, there's, there's a trait like Elway arm, Marino arm. Aaron Rodgers arm release. What's, what is, Go back and look at the people I trust. You know, there's one, one or two things I never buy.
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Jason McIntyre
I never buy this.
- [35:50]
Colin Cowherd
When you say this about a quarterback, that guy is a winner. Everybody under Jim Harbaugh and Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban's a winner. I don't want to hear that. If you go back and look, his arm is modest. His escapability is modest. His release wasn't super quick. There is no great trait. That's why I was always a Darnold fan. Darnold is tough with a big arm. He can be reckless. But there are times you watch Darnold. His ability to make big throws while moving is special. I don't get McCarthy's wow trait.
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Jason McIntyre
Now.
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Colin Cowherd
I like Jordan Love, but I think Jordan Love has an incredible arm. He's got a whip and he's also super athletic. I don't see the wow. You gotta. There's gotta be one thing where I'm like, oh, that's always been my knock on Purdy. Now Purdy, they say cognitively he's like Superman above the shoulders. Maybe that's it. But where's the wow with this guy?
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Unknown
I was going to ask you, like Purdy coming out of Iowa State, there was no wow. He gets to the NFL and his processing is wow. So can we see McCarthy play a real game? Not just preseason, not OTAs. Can we. Can we see him, like, play a real game? Maybe a trait will emerge and he was a pretty mobile quarterback. Obviously not Josh Allen.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
- [37:10]
Unknown
But I mean, he. How about this? There isn't anything he doesn't do well. He has a big arm. He's mobile. He can process.
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Colin Cowherd
He showed everything he did. Go, go read the scout. He doesn't have a big arm. He does not have a big arm.
- [37:23]
Unknown
Good enough arm. A good enough NFL.
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Colin Cowherd
He has. His arm is considered modest. It is a middle of the pack arm. Middle of the pack escapability. His. In fact, they question his release. His release at times could be a little plotting, which was always a Darnold knock. And you have to work on that. You could get better at that. There is no go, go. Look at all the guys. The Lance Zur line. And these are guys that are fans. It's a lot of. That guy is a winner. He plays with a chip on his shoulder. I could say that about Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow and Johnny Mandel. I mean, remember the Tim Tebow speech after they lost at home to Ole Miss. Will never lose again. I do not buy winner. What does that mean? Everybody at Alabama and Ohio State wins. What does that mean?
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Unknown
Maybe this is better. He got the stamp of approval from Jim Harbaugh and Kevin o' Connell. Does that mean anything to you? I mean, you love these guys. You hype them up.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, I heard a lot of people tell me how all the scouts loved him. People moved up for panics and then.
- [38:19]
Unknown
Move, well, wait, I don't care about the scouts. I care about Jim Harbaugh, an established great coach and Kevin o' Connell, one of the best young coaches in the league. I care about them. No disrespect to your scouts more than scouts. Doesn't that mean anything to you? When Jim Harbaugh's like, yeah, I love this freaking.
- [38:34]
Colin Cowherd
Kevin o' Connell understands the value of words. He is not going to criticize J.J. mcCarthy. So you've got to understand that. When's the last time a offensive head coach criticized. I mean, Brian Callahan and Will Levis? He couldn't stand him, by and large. You say nice stuff. I mean that, that.
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Unknown
Forget about the words. How about the actions he did he. They may have considered Rogers, they may have considered Daniels.
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Colin Cowherd
How about these actions? How about these actions? They wanted to re sign Sam Darnold.
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Unknown
Well, they didn't though.
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Colin Cowherd
But they wanted to, but it got too pricey. Well, the people from people I trust, I mean, again, it's. I don't want to hear about guys being winners. I'm not into. Every Ohio State quarterback in my life's been a winner. Spurrier was down in Florida. Rex Grossman had some real arm talent, but they were all winners. Danny Werfel was a winner. What does that mean?
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Jason McIntyre
Mean?
- [39:29]
Unknown
Love that guy. Florida, baby.
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Colin Cowherd
Love that guy.
- [39:34]
Unknown
They were fun in the 90s.
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Kavino
Hey, we're Kavino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
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Rich
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly because this guy is over promising things we never have time for.
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Kavino
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Rich
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Kavino
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Rich
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One year from today, the biggest FIFA World cup ever comes to North America. And the countdown starts with a one year to go party. Live from Miami, Friday at 8, 7 Central on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, so you know last night was an abomination. Now again, the Gold cup starts this weekend and it matters. There are 16 countries and it means something. But when Christian Pulisic said, hey man, I've gone back to back years, AC Milan, 50 matches, I'm taking a break. When he doesn't play, turn the sound down. We don't look the same. He's our most creative, most skilled player. And you can Talk about Weston McKinney and Gio Reyna and all these guys, it doesn't matter. Pulisic's the stars. He drives the bus for our offense. And when he's not playing, we're not the same team attacking. We just don't look the same. So Tyler Adams is all banged up. No question we're better than four nothing at halftime. But what I think last night did show that regardless of what coach we have in, we have a new coach now from Europe. He loves young talent and the bottom line is he didn't inspire Pulisic, who's a little fatigued to even play. Some of these guys are banged up. They could play. They chose not to. So is that impending Dread, I don't know. But in 23 minutes, to give up four goals shows you how thin our talent pool is. Now, listen, other countries don't have the NFL and the NBA and Major League Baseball, but we're also a very large country. But our best athletes do not play soccer. That is without question. That is true. The best athletes in Brazil, where's the money? Soccer. Our best athletes in America, where's the money? NBA Baseball, NFL, and then maybe soccer. So our best players go to Europe. Europe's best players don't come to the mls. So it's just. I do think, and I've said this, I think it's the strongest group of skilled young American talent of my life. And what last night proves is the gap between that and our second tier is the Grand Canyon. We just don't have. Again, we have about six really, really good players that I really like, and they're noticeably different. And in Spain may have 13 and England may have 11. And so our gap, when Christian Pulisic or Weston McKinney does not play, it is noticeable. And here was Demarcus Beasley trailing four nothing, which would be the final score. Here he was at half last night.
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Unknown
I've never seen a US Team play that poorly in a half and a half of football. I haven't. And forget not being good enough. What they. I mean, they didn't put in a tackle. I'm not saying that they don't want to play the game, but you have. This is your chance to make a World cup spot.
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Colin Cowherd
This is your chance.
- [47:04]
Unknown
There's no Pulisic. There's no West McKinney. There's no one. This is your time to step up. And they put out that first 45 minutes.
- [47:10]
Roy Hibbert
Terrible.
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Colin Cowherd
And this is. I've been on this for years. It's always the coach, because you can fire the coach. And I defended Greg Burhalter. I mean, the fact that we held England scoreless and that we gave up one goal in the group stage in the World cup was pretty redeemable. And then we played the Netherlands, and we were just totally outclassed because they had much older, more experienced players. But even that game was encouraging. It's like, okay, that's the standard. The Netherlands can win a World cup or certainly compete. We can't. But in four years, when it's on U.S. soil, can we grow? And the feeling is yes. But maybe one of the downsides. And I'll ask. I'll ask Alexi Lawless next hour. Is that if more and more of our great players are going to Europe. Maybe we have to pivot and transition away from the Gold Cup. Is that as now as our best players are facing very rigorous overseas European competition? That's what Pulisic is arguing, is that the standards changed. It's about making money overseas and then the World cup and then maybe Christian Pulisic is onto something that we as Americans can't get into the Gold Cup. It just doesn't matter anymore. If you want our star, if you want America to attract the best stars, then they've got to be able to go over and make a ton of money in Europe and not worry and piddle around with the mls. Sorry, when's the last mls? Mls? Once they sign that Apple contract. Apple TV contract. I don't, I don't. I don't watch as much. It's just. It feels like the league is less of a league than it was three to four years ago and the money's in Europe, so maybe it's just a different time now. The Gold cup just. It just doesn't matter as much. It's about making money in Europe and the World cup and being healthy for that. That is possible. But 16 teams competing in the Gold Cup. I always felt like we were top two or three. And if this is the Group J Mac, it's just not encouraging. Yeah, four goals, 23 minutes is disheartening. And again, this is a coach known in Tottenham of developing very quickly young players. Well, here's our young guys and that was a mess.
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Unknown
So I guess, you know, I will concede two points. Number one, the team seems to lack an identity without Pulisic on the field, as you alluded to. I don't know what they. They were just a collection of dudes last night, not passing, working together. They look like they hadn't had many practices together. And the second one, Colin, that they lack is momentum. You remember last year leading or the last World cup cycle? Canada had all the momentum in the world. They were playing great. Then they got smoked in the World Cup. So maybe momentum doesn't mean much, but with the Gold cup this weekend and for us to kind of, oh, geez, this was like, alarming. This was troubling. And you don't have an identity or momentum. I'm not going to go overboard. I'll leave the hot takes for Lalas here shortly.
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Colin Cowherd
In my life, we have always been closer to Italy than Brazil. We're not highly skilled, we have great goalkeeping and if we win against good teams, it's one Nothing. You're right. Like, I always felt, we. We were always good in goal. We had solid coaching, but there was a way we would win. We're not getting into a shootout against Argentina or Brazil or Colombia. That's not what we are. We're not that skilled. We don't have that depth of tal. You know, we're like an NBA team with no bench. We've got, you know, we've got some really nice players, and they were too young for the last World cup, but when they again the game against England, you're sitting there thinking, we're not that far away. Then they face the Netherlands. Older, mature team, more skilled. They pound us, and they should. But I. But I think what last night showed more than anything is that our talent pool is very, very thin. And when you take out Tyler Adams and Weston McKinney and Christian Pulisic, we don't have a bench. We want to talk ourselves into it. We just don't.
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Unknown
You're missing your entire midfield, your best attacker. Like, you didn't have your World cup center forward. Like, I just. That's the reason I'm like, all right, you know, for nothing is a drubbing. But we didn't have our guys. You know, it'd be like the Nuggets playing without Jokic or something. You know, if Pulisic is our Jokic and he's not that good, but he's our best guy. I don't know. I'm sure Lawless is going to say something like, listen, if we don't get out of the group stage at the Gold cup, maybe we move on from the coach that quickly. I don't know. But we got to show up this week, and I think we do. I'll call it three nothing over Trinidad and Tobago.
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Colin Cowherd
That's very. It's very. You're very optimistic. I mean, I was just. It just. It's one of those where we have not beaten the European team. What was the stat since 2021? Yeah, that's. That's just hard.
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Unknown
Like seven masters, though. I mean.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's all for seven. That's something you want to have to go to ODA 13. I mean, like, where do we have to go? Like, it just. It just feels like. I don't blame Pulisic. The money is. Is AC Milan. The kid's gonna have. He's got generational wealth. He's not gonna worry.
- [52:09]
Unknown
I mean, you saw Pulisic's dad versus Landon Donovan online, which was interesting. Landon Donovan, kind of Rick Pulisic without saying his name and landed. And Pulisic's dad was like, dude, you did the same thing, you know. So it's I get for soccer, I.
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Colin Cowherd
I get our players caring about two things. European money in the World cup and not the Gold Cup.
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Jason McIntyre
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