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Hour 2 - Ryan Day

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Tue Jul 22 2025

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: Hour 2 - Ryan Day
Release Date: July 22, 2025

Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, the discussion delves deep into various facets of professional and collegiate sports. Host Colin Cowherd, along with guest Nick Wright and co-host J. Mac, navigates through topics ranging from NFL contract strategies to NBA trade speculations, and from Ohio State's football dynamics to the WNBA's ongoing negotiations. The conversation is rich with insights, expert opinions, and notable quotes that provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the current sports landscape.

1. NFL Draft Strategies and Contract Negotiations

Timestamp: 02:34 – 08:15

The episode kicks off with a critical analysis of the NFL draft and contract signing strategies, focusing primarily on the Cincinnati Bengals and their handling of star defensive end Micah Parsons.

Colin Cowherd criticizes the Bengals' approach to contract negotiations, highlighting Jerry Jones' tendency to delay signing top draft picks. “The first rounders are all signed except guess what, the Cincinnati Bengals,” (02:34) Colin remarks, emphasizing the potential salary cap implications of such delays.
He compares Parsons to other elite edge rushers like Myles Garrett and T.J. Watt, questioning whether Parsons' performance justifies the lucrative contracts they command. “Micah Parsons is an interesting one because I think he's really good, but I don't think he's T.J. Watt,” (04:50) Colin asserts, underscoring concerns about budget allocations.
Nick Wright adds to the discussion by suggesting that teams should proactively identify and secure top talents early to maintain competitive advantage. He remarks, “You can identify them very early and just sign them like Jamar Chase,” (05:20) advocating for a more aggressive signing strategy to prevent budget inflation caused by market competition.
The conversation also touches upon the broader implications for teams like the Philadelphia Eagles, who are managing high-profile players such as Saquon Barkley. Colin notes, “How do the Eagles afford Saquon Barkley? They're paying everybody,” (06:30), pointing out the financial strains of accommodating superstar contracts.

2. NBA Trade Speculations: LeBron James and the Dallas Mavericks

Timestamp: 08:15 – 19:52

Shifting gears to the NBA, Colin introduces a hot topic: the potential trade of LeBron James to the Dallas Mavericks. This segment features a robust exchange between Colin and Nick Wright.

Colin Cowherd speculates on LeBron's possible move to Dallas, citing the team's depth and competitiveness. “I think Dallas competes for the championship,” (08:45) he states, suggesting that acquiring LeBron would require the Mavericks to part with significant assets.
Nick Wright challenges Colin's perspective, expressing skepticism about the feasibility and wisdom of such a trade. “I think LeBron money thing to me is so wildly unfair,” (10:10) Nick argues, emphasizing LeBron's unparalleled status and the complexities of fitting him into a new team dynamic.
The dialogue delves into player comparisons and the potential impact on team chemistry. Nick counters with concerns about Dallas's supporting cast and coaching strategies, questioning whether the Mavericks can effectively integrate a star of LeBron's caliber without disrupting their current framework.
Further, Nick Wright critiques the notion that LeBron's presence alone could overshadow defensive deficiencies in teams like the Lakers. “So it's Lakers have a very mediocre defensive roster,” (14:25) he points out, arguing that LeBron's addition wouldn't compensate for existing team weaknesses.

3. College Football Focus: Ohio State’s Ryan Day and Team Dynamics

Timestamp: 25:09 – 42:43

The conversation transitions to collegiate sports, with a spotlight on Ohio State University's football program under Coach Ryan Day.

Colin Cowherd commends Ryan Day's leadership, especially in the wake of losing 16 starters to the pros. “But ownership feels pretty hollow if you're not accomplishing in any industry what the standard you've set for yourself,” (26:57) Colin reflects on the pressures Day faces in maintaining team excellence.
Ryan Day, presumably as a guest, discusses the challenges of integrating new players and building a cohesive team culture amidst significant turnover. “One of the biggest challenges this offseason was our team has to grow up,” (35:09) he shares, highlighting the necessity of fostering maturity and resilience among the new recruits.
The discussion emphasizes the impact of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) on recruiting and team chemistry. Ryan Day elaborates on the strategies Ohio State employs to retain and develop talent, ensuring that new players adapt quickly to the team’s culture and performance standards.
Colin Cowherd further explores the implications of NIL on team dynamics, questioning the balance between high school recruiting and the financial aspects introduced by third-party NIL deals. “What is the perfect balance to you on that?” (39:19) he asks, seeking insights into managing talent acquisition without compromising team unity.

4. WNBA Negotiations and Revenue Sharing

Timestamp: 28:17 – 42:43

Addressing professional women's sports, the episode delves into the WNBA's ongoing Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) negotiations, focusing on revenue sharing and player compensation.

J. Mac highlights the scale of the negotiations, noting that “reportedly 40 players went to a big meeting over the All-Star weekend to discuss the CBA and negotiations are at a standstill,” (28:25). The primary contention revolves around equitable revenue sharing comparable to other pro leagues.
Colin Cowherd advocates for increased revenue shares, arguing that the WNBA, despite having fewer superstar players, sustains a strong fan base and merchandise sales driven by stars like Caitlin Clark. “They have a revenue share with the WNBA much more than I would give them like 30% of revenues, but they’re only getting 9%,” (31:09) Colin suggests, emphasizing the value players bring to the league.
J. Mac expresses concerns about the feasibility of revenue sharing agreements, particularly in leagues where individual player contributions can fluctuate significantly. He compares it to other industries, stating, “A lot of people don't understand in the podcast space there's a lot of revenue sharing deals, but it's like, hey, I'm doing numbers,” (31:31), questioning the sustainability of such models in the WNBA.
The dialogue underscores the leverage that high-performing players hold in negotiations, with Colin noting Caitlin Clark's influence on merchandise and viewership. “Caitlin Clark will never be a worse player and less recognized than now,” (32:39) he asserts, highlighting her pivotal role in the league's revenue streams.

5. Additional Insights and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 42:43 – End

In the concluding segment, Colin wraps up the discussions by reflecting on the interconnectedness of various sports leagues and the overarching themes of talent management, financial strategies, and organizational adaptability.

Colin Cowherd revisits the earlier topics, tying together insights from the NFL, NBA, college football, and WNBA discussions. He emphasizes the importance of strategic planning in contracts, the balance between talent acquisition and financial constraints, and the evolving landscape of sports negotiations influenced by factors like NIL.
The episode concludes with a reflection on the dynamic nature of sports management, encouraging listeners to stay informed and engaged with the ever-changing facets of their favorite leagues and teams.

Notable Quotes

Colin Cowherd (02:34): “The first rounders are all signed except guess what, the Cincinnati Bengals.”
Colin Cowherd (04:50): “Micah Parsons is an interesting one because I think he's really good, but I don't think he's T.J. Watt.”
Nick Wright (05:20): “You can identify them very early and just sign them like Jamar Chase.”
Colin Cowherd (14:25): “So it's Lakers have a very mediocre defensive roster.”
Colin Cowherd (26:57): “But ownership feels pretty hollow if you're not accomplishing in any industry what the standard you've set for yourself.”
Colin Cowherd (31:09): “They have a revenue share with the WNBA much more than I would give them like 30% of revenues, but they’re only getting 9%.”
Colin Cowherd (32:39): “Caitlin Clark will never be a worse player and less recognized than now.”

Conclusion

This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers a comprehensive exploration of current issues in professional and collegiate sports. From strategic contract negotiations in the NFL to speculative NBA trades, the challenges of building a resilient college football team, and the intricacies of WNBA negotiations, the discussion provides valuable insights for sports enthusiasts. Notable contributions from guest Nick Wright and co-host J. Mac enrich the conversation, making it a must-listen for those seeking an in-depth analysis of today's sports dynamics.

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Colin Cowherd (0:00)

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Colin Cowherd (2:34)

Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go. It is hour two on a Tuesday. All those NFL camps are starting up. We are live. We are in Chicago. It is the Herd. So J. Mac, the you know, it's, it's the second round picks were not signing contracts. Now they're starting to sign contracts. The first rounders are all signed except guess what, the Cincinnati Bengals. The Micah Parsons contract. Jerry Jones is prone to do this. Push it off, push it off, push it off, push it off, then sign them late. Now the downside is Myles Garrett comes in and signs a big edge rush deal or a TJ Watt does. And then the market tells you, well, you got to pay micah about 6 million more a year than you actually wanted to. So we talked about it, I think lad yeah, last week we talked about it Thursday, Friday, that if you identify a gu very early, you know, Josh Allen, Patrick certain Patrick Mahomes, you know, a left tackle, you can identify guys very early and go, you know what? I'm going to pay him. This is what Chargers did with Justin Herbert. Like that's going to work for us. Philip Rivers gone. We got our guy for the next 10 years. I am for paying. I think every team has one or two players that you know at a really key position. I wouldn't do it for a linebacker. I wouldn't do it for a safety. I wouldn't do it for an interior lineman. But quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, defensive tackle, maybe a great corner. You can identify them very, very early and just sign them like Jamar Chase. Just get that puppy done. Not only is he great, he played with Burrow in college. Just, just get it signed. He's fine. So Micah Parsons is an interesting one because I think he's really good, but I don't think he's T.J. watt. The numbers tell you he's not Myles Garrett. I don't think he has a future as good as Jared Verse. He's not interior dominant like Chris Jones of Kansas City or Jalen Carter of Philadelphia. But he's good. He's Very good. But they keep pushing off, pushing it off, pushing it off. And I think Jerry Jones is, you know, I'd probably keep this to myself, but Jerry keeps talking about the Micah Parsons deal and he was asked about it, about, you know, the reluctance. Why isn't it already done at camp this week? Just because we sign him doesn't mean we're going to have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, we've signed. I remember signing a player for the highest paid position in the league and he got knocked out two thirds of the year. Dak Prescott. So there's a lot of things you can think about when you, just as the player does when you're thinking about committing and guaranteeing money. So I said this. The Cowboys have not had a great draft since 2020. And if you asked when's the last time Philadelphia had a great draft or Washington had a great Dr. Last year? So I think the division has changed. Philadelphia now is stacked and Washington has the next Lamar Jackson, the NFC version of Lamar Jackson better in the pocket, maybe not as fast. And I, I think those little mistakes are not going to catch up to you as quickly in the AFC south or the NFC South. The Philadelphia Eagles and now Jaden Daniels, you're, you're going to see all these mistakes start adding up. But they haven't drafted well. They've been a non factor in free agency. Couldn't afford Derek Henry for 8 million. How do the Eagles afford Saquon Barkley? They're paying everybody. So I, you know, again, this feels like they let Dan Quinn go to the rival commanders. This feels like they've just played this out longer and longer and longer. And I said this a couple weeks ago. I would have thought about last year moving Micah and getting more draft capital. But I don't know if I trust the Cowboys to draft the right players if they got the draft capital. But I want to, I want to shift it. We're going to bring in Nick Wright. Haven't talked to him in a while. He's been in the World Series of Poker. First things first. Nick Wright joining us live. So I started the top of the show today with this topic. So a story comes out from the athletic that LeBron is not going to take a mid level exemption. He was not willing to do it, but he had his eyes on the Dallas Mavericks, which I have said. I think Cooper is better than Austin Reeves as a young player. AD is better than DeAndre Ayton. They have a better bench, a better coach and they have more depth I think Dallas competes for the championship. If LeBron shows up now, they're going to have to give up three first round picks. Gafford, PJ Washington, Max Crisp. But I think it'd be a really interesting team. But was interesting to me. As I said this LeBron in 2016 or 2019 acknowledged I'm chasing a goat, I'm chasing a ghost. He played for Chicago. Said I think in his head LeBron's like, Listen, Michael's more beloved. Michael's net worth is 3.5 billion. Mine's 1. I'm never going to catch him. And the truth is I'm taking the money. I mean that's the one. I got more points. My son made the league. I'm taking the money. That I do think there's a part of LeBron that he knows going back to Cleveland, that's a better roster for him. Going back to Dallas Cooper, Adam coach, that's a better opportunity. But Michael still in his head and he's just going to take the money and bleed it out for another year in la.

Nick Wright (8:15)

Okay, I, I think I disagree with every single piece of that. So let's, let's go one by one. You did a very interest. I don't know that I agree with you that next year Cooper flag will be already better than Austin Reaves maybe, but let's just say that's a push. Obviously Anthony Davis, yes, is better than deandre Ayton, but there's one guy on the Lakers I'm trying to figure out. Remember who it was who you didn't do the tit for tat with. Oh yeah, Luka. So who's the guy on the Mavs that cancels out Luke Gadon? John, the Lakers. I'm just curious and like as a crazy thought exercise, like, if you traded the best player on the Mavs, Anthony Davis for Luka Doncic, what do you think the public reaction would be? Who won that trade? Or did somebody get concussed? And it was the worst trade in NBA history. So there's that piece of it where if Kyrie were healthy and then, then you could talk me into it. But I think Kyrie's gonna miss all, certainly most, if not all of next year. So then there. This is why the LeBron money thing to me is so wildly unfair. First of all, he's the only guy in the NBA that has ever asked of this and we can say, well, he's made the most money, but all of the best players have made hundreds of millions of dollars. And LeBron last year, finished sixth in MVP voting, got the sixth most All NBA votes. And the fact that he makes slightly less than Zach lavine makes me feel like he's at the very least unfairly compensated in his direction. Steph Curry. Who? LeBron. By every vote, all the awards, every metric, LeBron was better than last year, is the highest paid player in the league. No one has a problem with it. So there's that piece of it. There's the other piece of it, which is you are. I think a lot of people are acting as if LeBron opted out and took the minimum and then won a championship, that we are all pretending that championship would not have been met with eye rolls and stacked the deck and fake title. All of LeBron's titles. By the way, Ray Allen saved him, Kyrie saved him. Bubble championship. Every LeBron championship, no matter the competition, no matter how well he's played, some folks have tried to put an asterisk on. If he took the minimum to go play for a team that won 64 games, people would definitively try to put an asterisk on it. So I don't think that there was a way for LeBron to do this where he was going to escape criticism. I also think that what is true is you can't. No one ever can have everything in life. And LeBron, because of the salary cap situation across the league this year, had to choose between 52 million or 5 million if he wanted to leave the Lakers and go to a contender. And leaving $47 million on the table is not appealing to anybody. And so I understand it. I'm also not 100% certain LeBron finishes the year as a Laker, but they've made some moves around the edges. Luka will be great. They will be contender. Ish. And you'll see how they look at the deadline. So.

Nick Wright (12:49)

Oh, I definitely, yeah. I mean, I don't know that he would definitively be my number one choice. First phone call because every, you know, Mike Tomlin might be available after this year. I'm not, I'm just picking that name out of the hat. But you know what I mean? There's very often there's a really good coach who just kind of has time has passed at his destination, who comes available. So I'm not saying Nick Saban would be the number one candidate for every job, but the idea that your take was a hot take I think is ridiculous. Age notwithstanding, he clearly has the energy, the attention to detail, the football mind. And I do think that what NIL has done is it has leveled the playing field in as much as. If Saban went back to college, his historic recruiting prowess would be muted to a degree in a way it wasn't while he was stacking up national championships at Auburn. So yeah, I mean, you mentioned, I mean, I'll throw a different one at you that is, same state, different team. If this coming year goes the way I think it might for Cincinnati. I think Nick Saban's an interesting idea there where a team, it's like, listen, gotta coach up the defense, gotta have someone to actually have as big of a voice in the organization as the owner, gotta clean up some of the nonsense going into years they deal with every year, again, most of which is owner related, and let Joe and Jamar handle the offense, like almost offload the offense to them. You handle the details, the, you know, finding some of the edges in young players from the college game that you're very aware of their skill set and coach up the defense because where the only point that you made that I kind of disagree with is if I'm Nick Saban and I want to do this. I'm not that interested in a studs to the, you know, top down rebuild. I'm much more interested in, I've got three or four years. Let me see if I can have a contender immediately. I think the Bengals, who, if they miss the playoffs again, probably will be looking for a new coach. I think they could be an attractive one.

Colin Cowherd (19:52)

All right. He didn't love my LeBron take there. He kind of, kind of pooh, pooh. The old LeBron take. I've said before, the caveat with Luka is he needs the ball and he won't defend at a high level. I'm igno. I've always said better version than Carmelo Anthony. You're going to get a lot of points. He'll be a top 10 scorer of all time. He is fun to watch. He's unstoppable. He'll be in better shape. He's not committed not commit to defense. That's not going to happen. And he needs the ball and and and LeBron doesn't want to defend at this point. So you're not making up his bad defense with LeBron at this point and AD is no longer there and Ayton doesn't play defense and Austin Reeves not a great defender. So it's Lakers have a very mediocre defensive roster. The Mavs, Cooper Flag, Anthony Davis, Lively all really good defenders allowing LeBron not at this point in his career to have to bust his arse on that side of the floor. I think it matters. Ryan Day, Buckeyes coach Next it's the Hurt. Want more? Heard the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search heard to Listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubberlips. Blaming me. Well you know what it's called Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're gonna be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go, Overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube. But definitely. Join us Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know degree cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart Target and try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself. Introducing the new Dell AI PC Powered by the Intel Core Ultra processor. It's not just an AI computer, it's a computer built for AI. That means it's built to help do your busy work for you so you can fast forward through editing images, designing presentations, generating code, debugging code, running lots of apps without lag, summarizing meeting notes, extending battery life, finding that file you were looking for, managing your schedule, meeting your deadlines, responding to Jim's long emails, leaving all the time in the world for more you time and for the things you actually want to do. No offense Jim. Get a new Dell AI PC starting at 749.99@dell.com aipc how those ahead? Stay ahead. All right folks, this is insane. For the first time ever, we got a full blown all women's boxing mega event going down in New York City. Two title fights same night. Let's go. If you're like me and love the action, DraftKings sportsbook is where it's at. We're talking the trilogy fight. Don't sleep on the co main explosive power taking on the undefeated WBA interim champ. It's going to be fireworks. Check it out. If you're new to DraftKings, throw down five bucks. That's it.

Colin Cowherd (42:43)

You bet. That's going to be When's the last time an opening game in the college football weekend was that good? That I couldn't. You could argue well that the two best players in the country are Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs. Those are the two best players in the country. I had somebody tell me that Caleb Downs would have gone number one. He got almost take out quarterback. He would have got number one last year's draft. That's how good he is. Then you got Arch Manning, which is an unbelievable story. You have two huge brands that I bet you that sets a record for a Labor Day weekend college football game. I bet you that sets and that set. Everybody tells no, nobody's watching tv. That will set a record. I can't wait for that thing. Fox gave me my college football preview book this weekend. I'm sitting there watching the British Open, the open with Rory McElroy and Scotty Scheffler and reading that. I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna lie. 11:30 in the morning. I poured a cold one. I was totally committed to that beer. And Texas, Ohio State and the Open live in Chicago. It's third. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about? Head to your local Walmart target and try the OG degree Cool rush for yourself. Introducing the new Dell AI PC powered by the Intel Core Ultra processor. It's not just an AI computer, it's a computer built for AI. That means it's built to help do your busy work for you so you can fast forward through editing images, designing presentations, generating code, debugging code, running lots of apps without lag, summarizing meeting notes, extending battery life, finding that file you were looking for, managing your schedule, meeting your deadlines, responding to Jim's long emails, leaving all the time in the world for more you time and for the things you actually want to do. No offense Jim. Get a new Dell AI PC starting at 749.99@dell.com aipc how those ahead? Stay ahead Sunday on Fox.

Colin Cowherd (45:55)

By the way, USC reached out to me and said we dispute the Athletics revenue numbers. They listed them at 71 million, which puts them around Ole Miss, Miami, Utah, South Carolina. USC says, hey, that's, that's not the case. We have almost double that. They'd be around seven or eight kind of Tennessee, Bama, Auburn, ish area. USC is private, by the way, but this is the number we worked off of. I do know usc is raising eight. I've said this ten times during the last six months. They're up to about 18 million in the nil, which I never thought they'd get to. Jen Cohen's the athletic director. It has been, it has been a work to kind of galvanize all the boosters to be on the same page. But it's really, it is still really interesting. USC doesn't have a single player, first team, offense or defense. Indiana and Iowa have four each. And so it's fascinating with Lincoln Riley, he's making too much money. There's no buyout happening. They're building new facilities. They're given 18 million. They got the donors. They have some older donors. I don't know how many great young donors they have. But it's a fascinating college football dilemma out west for USC because Oregon has got nothing but money. Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas A and M. So it it, you would think because of the Los Angeles county and la, you'd think USC is loaded. Now they're saying we're way more Loaded and doing much better than the Athletic is saying. And they are private. So I'm not exactly sure how the Athletic got all their numbers. I know their nil number is, I was told two years ago it was at 13 and I thought that was, you know, 6 to 7 below Oregon, but I thought that was double Washington. I was blown away by that because it's a very political, distracted, kind of agenda driven base. But they're saying, hey, our numbers much better than that. But what's interesting is all the other teams that are spending that kind of money, they got a lot of good players. That's the thing. If USC's is in line with all these, where are the players? They don't have a single player first team, all Big Ten offense or defense. And they have a page a left tackle, Kamari Ramsey, Eric Gentry a linebacker, Lemon a wide receiver. They got some good players. But you know, these days this idea of what we're going to move off coaches, those days are over. If you're paying 15 million up for nil keeping up with facilities, you're not buying out a coach for $70 million as well and then bringing in a new guy for 75. Those days are over. You know, you don't have to like Brian Kelly and lsu. He's going to stand until he wants to go. That's just what the NIL has done for the record. J. Mac, did you Nick Wright earlier talked about Caleb Williams. He thinks it starts well. I thought he brought up a really interesting point and it's one that you agree with. Here's what the Bears have going for them. Detroit and I think it's even the odds makers in Vegas, the draft kings of the worlds are saying Detroit's pulling back. They lost their stud center. The schedule's tough. Everybody in the division's probably better. They lost both coordinators, so that's what the Bears have going for them. Detroit's not going to be as dominant as they've been the last two years. Secondly, we don't know if J.J. mcCarthy can play. And there's people that I trust saying it ain't great. There's a reason you're not seeing much video. Third is Jordan Love did not end the season in good shape and they drafted a receiver with the first pick. You and I love Green Bay's receivers inside the building. They clearly don't because their first pick was a wide receiver. So I would say this regarding the Bears. That division looks like it's as good as the AFC west with Kansas City. Here's Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and Sean Payton and Bo Nix and Herbert and Harbaugh. J.J. mcCarthy. We don't know Detroit. I think you and Nick Fairly are saying that's the pullback team of last year in Green Bay this morning. Do we know what Jordan Love is?