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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go. It is hour two on a Tuesday. All those NFL camps are starting up. We are live. We are in Chicago. It is the Herd. So J. Mac, the you know, it's, it's the second round picks were not signing contracts. Now they're starting to sign contracts. The first rounders are all signed except guess what, the Cincinnati Bengals. The Micah Parsons contract. Jerry Jones is prone to do this. Push it off, push it off, push it off, push it off, then sign them late. Now the downside is Myles Garrett comes in and signs a big edge rush deal or a TJ Watt does. And then the market tells you, well, you got to pay micah about 6 million more a year than you actually wanted to. So we talked about it, I think lad yeah, last week we talked about it Thursday, Friday, that if you identify a gu very early, you know, Josh Allen, Patrick certain Patrick Mahomes, you know, a left tackle, you can identify guys very early and go, you know what? I'm going to pay him. This is what Chargers did with Justin Herbert. Like that's going to work for us. Philip Rivers gone. We got our guy for the next 10 years. I am for paying. I think every team has one or two players that you know at a really key position. I wouldn't do it for a linebacker. I wouldn't do it for a safety. I wouldn't do it for an interior lineman. But quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, defensive tackle, maybe a great corner. You can identify them very, very early and just sign them like Jamar Chase. Just get that puppy done. Not only is he great, he played with Burrow in college. Just, just get it signed. He's fine. So Micah Parsons is an interesting one because I think he's really good, but I don't think he's T.J. watt. The numbers tell you he's not Myles Garrett. I don't think he has a future as good as Jared Verse. He's not interior dominant like Chris Jones of Kansas City or Jalen Carter of Philadelphia. But he's good. He's Very good. But they keep pushing off, pushing it off, pushing it off. And I think Jerry Jones is, you know, I'd probably keep this to myself, but Jerry keeps talking about the Micah Parsons deal and he was asked about it, about, you know, the reluctance. Why isn't it already done at camp this week? Just because we sign him doesn't mean we're going to have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, we've signed. I remember signing a player for the highest paid position in the league and he got knocked out two thirds of the year. Dak Prescott. So there's a lot of things you can think about when you, just as the player does when you're thinking about committing and guaranteeing money. So I said this. The Cowboys have not had a great draft since 2020. And if you asked when's the last time Philadelphia had a great draft or Washington had a great Dr. Last year? So I think the division has changed. Philadelphia now is stacked and Washington has the next Lamar Jackson, the NFC version of Lamar Jackson better in the pocket, maybe not as fast. And I, I think those little mistakes are not going to catch up to you as quickly in the AFC south or the NFC South. The Philadelphia Eagles and now Jaden Daniels, you're, you're going to see all these mistakes start adding up. But they haven't drafted well. They've been a non factor in free agency. Couldn't afford Derek Henry for 8 million. How do the Eagles afford Saquon Barkley? They're paying everybody. So I, you know, again, this feels like they let Dan Quinn go to the rival commanders. This feels like they've just played this out longer and longer and longer. And I said this a couple weeks ago. I would have thought about last year moving Micah and getting more draft capital. But I don't know if I trust the Cowboys to draft the right players if they got the draft capital. But I want to, I want to shift it. We're going to bring in Nick Wright. Haven't talked to him in a while. He's been in the World Series of Poker. First things first. Nick Wright joining us live. So I started the top of the show today with this topic. So a story comes out from the athletic that LeBron is not going to take a mid level exemption. He was not willing to do it, but he had his eyes on the Dallas Mavericks, which I have said. I think Cooper is better than Austin Reeves as a young player. AD is better than DeAndre Ayton. They have a better bench, a better coach and they have more depth I think Dallas competes for the championship. If LeBron shows up now, they're going to have to give up three first round picks. Gafford, PJ Washington, Max Crisp. But I think it'd be a really interesting team. But was interesting to me. As I said this LeBron in 2016 or 2019 acknowledged I'm chasing a goat, I'm chasing a ghost. He played for Chicago. Said I think in his head LeBron's like, Listen, Michael's more beloved. Michael's net worth is 3.5 billion. Mine's 1. I'm never going to catch him. And the truth is I'm taking the money. I mean that's the one. I got more points. My son made the league. I'm taking the money. That I do think there's a part of LeBron that he knows going back to Cleveland, that's a better roster for him. Going back to Dallas Cooper, Adam coach, that's a better opportunity. But Michael still in his head and he's just going to take the money and bleed it out for another year in la.
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Nick Wright
Okay, I, I think I disagree with every single piece of that. So let's, let's go one by one. You did a very interest. I don't know that I agree with you that next year Cooper flag will be already better than Austin Reaves maybe, but let's just say that's a push. Obviously Anthony Davis, yes, is better than deandre Ayton, but there's one guy on the Lakers I'm trying to figure out. Remember who it was who you didn't do the tit for tat with. Oh yeah, Luka. So who's the guy on the Mavs that cancels out Luke Gadon? John, the Lakers. I'm just curious and like as a crazy thought exercise, like, if you traded the best player on the Mavs, Anthony Davis for Luka Doncic, what do you think the public reaction would be? Who won that trade? Or did somebody get concussed? And it was the worst trade in NBA history. So there's that piece of it where if Kyrie were healthy and then, then you could talk me into it. But I think Kyrie's gonna miss all, certainly most, if not all of next year. So then there. This is why the LeBron money thing to me is so wildly unfair. First of all, he's the only guy in the NBA that has ever asked of this and we can say, well, he's made the most money, but all of the best players have made hundreds of millions of dollars. And LeBron last year, finished sixth in MVP voting, got the sixth most All NBA votes. And the fact that he makes slightly less than Zach lavine makes me feel like he's at the very least unfairly compensated in his direction. Steph Curry. Who? LeBron. By every vote, all the awards, every metric, LeBron was better than last year, is the highest paid player in the league. No one has a problem with it. So there's that piece of it. There's the other piece of it, which is you are. I think a lot of people are acting as if LeBron opted out and took the minimum and then won a championship, that we are all pretending that championship would not have been met with eye rolls and stacked the deck and fake title. All of LeBron's titles. By the way, Ray Allen saved him, Kyrie saved him. Bubble championship. Every LeBron championship, no matter the competition, no matter how well he's played, some folks have tried to put an asterisk on. If he took the minimum to go play for a team that won 64 games, people would definitively try to put an asterisk on it. So I don't think that there was a way for LeBron to do this where he was going to escape criticism. I also think that what is true is you can't. No one ever can have everything in life. And LeBron, because of the salary cap situation across the league this year, had to choose between 52 million or 5 million if he wanted to leave the Lakers and go to a contender. And leaving $47 million on the table is not appealing to anybody. And so I understand it. I'm also not 100% certain LeBron finishes the year as a Laker, but they've made some moves around the edges. Luka will be great. They will be contender. Ish. And you'll see how they look at the deadline. So.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm going to throw this. I know you're not a huge college football fan, but you have a great sense of history. And if you look at the nil, Nick Saban can't go back to college because you're asking your boosters now to raise 20 million a year for nil. And you'd have to pay Nick 60 million and you'd have to buy out your coach for 40 to 50 million. He's not going to Bama. He's not going to any of these schools. Michigan, they're just. There's just no way that colleges can. They can't. Outside of Texas, nobody can afford to do that and starts going nowhere. But I do think Six coaches a year get fired. Coordinators are at best a coin flip that if I was Cleveland and got the number one pick and they're in the running for the worst team, I would draft Arch Manning, I would hire Nick Saban. Tell me, if you ran a team in this league or owned it, you would not call 73 year old Nick Saban. I floated it last week. Even Urban Meyer said, oh yeah, he'll take an NFL call. Do you believe that? Would you hire him?
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Nick Wright
Oh, I definitely, yeah. I mean, I don't know that he would definitively be my number one choice. First phone call because every, you know, Mike Tomlin might be available after this year. I'm not, I'm just picking that name out of the hat. But you know what I mean? There's very often there's a really good coach who just kind of has time has passed at his destination, who comes available. So I'm not saying Nick Saban would be the number one candidate for every job, but the idea that your take was a hot take I think is ridiculous. Age notwithstanding, he clearly has the energy, the attention to detail, the football mind. And I do think that what NIL has done is it has leveled the playing field in as much as. If Saban went back to college, his historic recruiting prowess would be muted to a degree in a way it wasn't while he was stacking up national championships at Auburn. So yeah, I mean, you mentioned, I mean, I'll throw a different one at you that is, same state, different team. If this coming year goes the way I think it might for Cincinnati. I think Nick Saban's an interesting idea there where a team, it's like, listen, gotta coach up the defense, gotta have someone to actually have as big of a voice in the organization as the owner, gotta clean up some of the nonsense going into years they deal with every year, again, most of which is owner related, and let Joe and Jamar handle the offense, like almost offload the offense to them. You handle the details, the, you know, finding some of the edges in young players from the college game that you're very aware of their skill set and coach up the defense because where the only point that you made that I kind of disagree with is if I'm Nick Saban and I want to do this. I'm not that interested in a studs to the, you know, top down rebuild. I'm much more interested in, I've got three or four years. Let me see if I can have a contender immediately. I think the Bengals, who, if they miss the playoffs again, probably will be looking for a new coach. I think they could be an attractive one.
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Colin Cowherd
So now living in Chicago and by the way, taking the train Monday through Friday.
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Nick Wright
I know. Man of the people. Man of the people. Nobody loves Chicago more than Colin Goherd in July. Very excited for the November update. Very excited. Hey, I took the train today. I'm covered in salt. I slipped on the ice. There's no palm trees again. I'm rooting for you, buddy. But it's been a long time since you were a rustic Midwesterner. About 30 years and maybe as many millions ago. So we'll see. Let's just wait and see.
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Colin Cowherd
Go ahead. So I'm thinking about Caleb Williams. If you turn on radio in Chicago, it's Cubs and Caleb Williams. And I still have misgivings about ownership. I don't know if I love Ryan Poles, but I like Ben Johnson. I think the roster is pretty good. Probably middle of the pack around Green Bay. When you. If I had to say, you're pretty good at this. You're mathy. If I said project how the season goes, we can put the schedule up is that you've always been pretty good at kind of guessing how things work over the course of a season. And I've said, listen, he's too talented. Everything he makes mistakes at is coachable, like pocket presence. Well, we've seen Lamar Jackson grow. Accuracy, we've seen Josh Allen grow. All of his problems are solvable. When I give you this schedule, I want you to a little fortune teller here. How do you. What do you think it looks like with Kayla Williams? Because I think that there are so many variables in how this thing could turn out because Chicago, Chicago is a big, loud, football loving city. And if he struggles early, Nick, you know this city, it could go sideways fast in public opinion.
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Nick Wright
But I think it goes the opposite.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Nick Wright
I think they have success early. I think they're three and one going into the buy and feeling quite good.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Nick Wright
I think that next group of games they go, you know, call it two and two in that next little quarter of the season. So that would put them at five and three. You then have a tough five game stretch. Say they go two and three in that they're seven and six. And then down the stretch of the season, a note on why I think this, I'll explain in a second. I think they go 10 and 7, 11 and 6 and I think that can win the division because I think the other. The sub story about when we're talking about the Bears Is what about the Lions? And I've said this for years during the season that I was not going to during the year. Every year there is a team that we think is going to be awesome, that struggles and we're like what's different? And then we're like oh man, they lost both of their coordinators. That's hard for teams to deal with. That's the Detroit Lions. Also the Lions, whose biggest strength has been their offensive line since Goff and Campbell have been together. Their guard, center, guard combo going into this season might be one of the weakest in the league. If there's one way to make Lions Jared Goff turn into late and early stage Rams Jared Goff. It's pressure up the middle. All of that plus those back to back absolutely gut wrenching playoff defeats. I could see the lions dropping from 15 wins to 10 wins.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
So listen, I think the Bears defense is going to be a work in progress. I think the offense is instantly going to be much, much better because Caleb will be better and because Ben Johnson will be worlds better from a play design, play calling standpoint they had last year. So I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the Bears win the division and I certainly expect them in the playoffs. Like Caleb is too talented and Caleb is too. I think the creativity is a good thing to not be a very good NFL quarterback. I thought very good was the floor and I thought all time great was the ceiling. One mediocre year is not going to push me off that. So I think the Bears are quite dangerous this year. Colin. Now I did go to the super bowl last year, so maybe I'm wrong again but.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I do think Detroit's the one great team last year that has pullback potential. Based on your thoughts, I also think JJ McCarthy is a complete and utter wild card and if it's average, well you're just battling Green Bay. Who pff said yesterday or it was ESPN's data team said packers line, Packers, bears 14th, 15th best roster. So there's not a big gap in personnel there. Nick Wright, first things first as always, buddy. Great seeing you.
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Nick Wright
You as well. Good to see you, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. He didn't love my LeBron take there. He kind of, kind of pooh, pooh. The old LeBron take. I've said before, the caveat with Luka is he needs the ball and he won't defend at a high level. I'm igno. I've always said better version than Carmelo Anthony. You're going to get a lot of points. He'll be a top 10 scorer of all time. He is fun to watch. He's unstoppable. He'll be in better shape. He's not committed not commit to defense. That's not going to happen. And he needs the ball and and and LeBron doesn't want to defend at this point. So you're not making up his bad defense with LeBron at this point and AD is no longer there and Ayton doesn't play defense and Austin Reeves not a great defender. So it's Lakers have a very mediocre defensive roster. The Mavs, Cooper Flag, Anthony Davis, Lively all really good defenders allowing LeBron not at this point in his career to have to bust his arse on that side of the floor. I think it matters. Ryan Day, Buckeyes coach Next it's the Hurt. Want more? Heard the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search heard to Listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubberlips. Blaming me. Well you know what it's called Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're gonna be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go, Overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube. But definitely. Join us Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know degree cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart Target and try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself. Introducing the new Dell AI PC Powered by the Intel Core Ultra processor. It's not just an AI computer, it's a computer built for AI. That means it's built to help do your busy work for you so you can fast forward through editing images, designing presentations, generating code, debugging code, running lots of apps without lag, summarizing meeting notes, extending battery life, finding that file you were looking for, managing your schedule, meeting your deadlines, responding to Jim's long emails, leaving all the time in the world for more you time and for the things you actually want to do. No offense Jim. Get a new Dell AI PC starting at 749.99@dell.com aipc how those ahead? Stay ahead. All right folks, this is insane. For the first time ever, we got a full blown all women's boxing mega event going down in New York City. Two title fights same night. Let's go. If you're like me and love the action, DraftKings sportsbook is where it's at. We're talking the trilogy fight. Don't sleep on the co main explosive power taking on the undefeated WBA interim champ. It's going to be fireworks. Check it out. If you're new to DraftKings, throw down five bucks. That's it.
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Colin Cowherd
Day. Buckeye coach is around the corner. Let's not waste any time. J. Mac with the news.
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Nick Wright
No, no, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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J. Mac
Now, Colin, we've moved off the silly season in the NFL, right? The June, July, where not a lot's going on. Well, all of a sudden, people are showing up at camp and talking to the media. And Dak Prescott said something at the start of camp to reporters yesterday. I don't know. What's he doing here? Colin, I give the money I make to win and be broke. Like that's an actual quote from Deck Prescott. We're triple checking. It's not fake. That's a real quote. Dak Prescott. I'd give the money I make to win and be broke. Now, Jerry was stealing all the headlines yesterday with his nonsense.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't get that. What's he saying? I don't understand.
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J. Mac
He's saying, oh, I would give back all this money I've got if I could win the Super Bowl. So maybe Jerry Jones would take him up on that. Hey, if we win the super bowl, you give me your. Give me your 62 million back this past year. I don't know, like, who. That's just. What are you doing, Dak?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you know, he's trying to. He wants to show that he. He wants to win.
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J. Mac
I think also pounding the table two years ago to make sure he's the highest paid quarterback in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Right. Well, listen, it's money feels great, but you find very quickly that it's pretty hollow if you're not accomplishing in any industry what the standard you've set for yourself. And I think it feels like Dax kind of hit his prime a few years ago. They won 12, and now he's got a second lower body injury, and he's got a coach that's a notch below Mike McCarthy, and the roster isn't close to Philadelphia. And I think Dak's smart and kind of realizes we're not really. We can we can convince ourselves we are. But they've got like four elite players. Philadelphia's got 12.
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J. Mac
Listen, I'm not looking in his pockets. I get it. Go make the most you can. Your careers are short. Right, but then don't come out at the same time. Oh, I give it all back. If I could just win one like that. I don't want to.
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Colin Cowherd
It's one. It's one bite at one podium. You know, I mean, we ask these guys, we ask them questions and we want them to be perfect. It is. You know, I mean, I mean, listen.
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J. Mac
You and I, after this show's done, we don't have to go meet the media every day and ask. Hey, J. Mac, you botched that segment. Hey, man, I didn't like that trying.
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Colin Cowherd
To get through three hours with you. I don't need anything else to lift.
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J. Mac
All right, let's move on to another guy talking out of his rear end. Derek Stingley Jr. Of the Houston Texans. Hey, listen, he had a good year. No denying it. He's no sauce gardener, but he's very good. He. He said that the Texans will lead the NFL in interceptions this season. By his estimates, at least 10 to 15 interceptions. He's that confident in this secondary. Yeah, that Houston is going to dominate. Now, they were second in the league last year with 19 trailing the Vikings. But Colin, the problem is outside of the division. The schedule's not easy for Houston. Yeah, they're going to intercept Cam Ward a bunch and Anthony Richardson, but they got to face Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Herbert. You're facing a lot of elite quarterbacks. You see Patrick Mahomes in there?
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Colin Cowherd
That's a, that's a rough schedule. And, and yeah, that, that, that is a rough schedule.
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J. Mac
I don't have them winning the division. And also Josh Allen, quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you go Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, Brock Purdy, Bo Nix, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Tyler Murray, Justin Herbert. Dude, there's like eight games you're. You, you better play well. You can't turn it over.
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J. Mac
So I know we flip flopped on this division. I think last you checked in it you had Titans winning the division.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I think I have Texans winning it. Titans wild card.
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J. Mac
Okay, I will go Jaguars. I'm riding the.
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Nick Wright
Trevor. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
You're high on them.
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J. Mac
Yeah, I'm mid on them. Final story, Colin. Okay. Okay, here we go. Wnba. Obviously there was the big T shirt issue over the weekend. Well, reportedly 40 players went to a big meeting over the All Star weekend to discuss the CBA and negotiations are at a standstill. WNBA players have asked for a revenue share similar to other pro sports. Obviously, if the WNBA had a CBA structure like the NBA, this is what a first year of the rookie supermax would look like. Okay. Based on the cap, they're only currently getting 16 and a half percent of the cap. It would go up to 25, which is reasonable. They're not, they're not breaking the bank here. The way this breaks down. Colin, I don't hate it. I, I'm just curious if the owners are going to say, well, we're not giving you everything you want. We're not going to go 25, we'll go 21. And then it's like, no, we need 25 to get on par with the other pro sports leagues.
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Colin Cowherd
And I would be much more comfortable giving them rev shares than massive salaries like baseball, football, or the NBA, because in those leagues, you have a broader number of superstar players that move the needle and win games. I think you, I don't think you, you know, you've got six to eight really elite players in this league that can sell some merch. Obviously there's one Caitlin Clark, but I, my take is I do a Rev share with the WNBA, much more than I would give them, like 30% of revenues, but they, they're only getting 9%. And, and I know everybody's banging on the last 25 years of the WNBA, but the bottom line is what you want to do when your contract is up is to be hot. And right now, the WNBA merch, ticket sales, TV ratings is hot. Now, I know it's driven by Caitlin Clark, but guess what? She's not going anywhere for a decade. So she's. This is the worst she'll ever be because she's banged up now. So for the next 10 years, you can make a lot of money in this league. Advertising dollars, suites, ticket sales, merch. I, I think the players have some, I think they have some leverage.
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J. Mac
They have, yeah, the whole Rev share deal. A lot of people don't understand in the podcast space there's a lot of revenue sharing deals, but it's like, hey, I'm doing numbers. You're not doing your part selling the podcast and making me money. So I don't, I don't love a Rev Share idea for the wnba. I just say, hey, the NBA players have this. Why can't we have this? But obviously it's going to be at a much scaled down version.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, people are saying this, Like, I hear a lot of this. Well, they've only got one player that moves the needle. If you made a movie like Matt Damon was in the Jason Bourne series. Oh, yeah. And you can argue the only guy that really sold tickets was Matt Damon in that movie. All the writers, all the. They didn't really sell tickets. It was just basically Matt Damon. Okay. It was still a great series. I would have invested in that series. You could say Mission Impossible. It's basically Tom Cruise. Everybody else can move around, but it's all about Tom Cruise. It's been a great series for over a decade. So the bottom line is Caitlin Clark will never be a worse player and less recognized than now. So they have leverage. When Tiger woods was on the tour, if you were a network vying for a major golf event, well, I mean, only Tiger woods moves the needle. Yeah, but he's going to be great for 12 years, and I'm going to get him on my network if I pay the PGA blank. So I don't need a depth of talent to want to, you know, to want to sign a league. I don't.
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J. Mac
The only problem with that is, like, Tom Cruise stars in the whole movie. Nobody stealing scenes. Nobody's emerging as a superstar in that movie. In the wnba, there'll be a week where Susie Q goes off and averages 30 points and she's like, hey, I'm not making any money. It's all going to Caitlin Clark. I mean, listen, it's tough and complicated. It's not going to be sorted out right now. I would guess there's probably some holdout going to happen here because these players seem really rooted and dug in. Colin, Kind of like the political spectrum right now. People do not want to move off their opinions. I don't think these players want to move off at all. I would not be shocked if there was a holdout with the wnba.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, but WNBA players relative to other pro leagues don't make a lot of money. Now, Caitlin Clark made 11 million off the court this year. She's fine. But most of these players, eventually, I think they've caved ownership. I think so. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Well, he's entering his seventh season at Ohio State. He's coached 80 games and won 70 of them in the national championship. Last year, they won four playoff games by an average of 10 points.
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Unknown
Look at that.
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Colin Cowherd
He's got a herd microphone. Boy, you are part of the team here, coach. I love seeing that. Let's. Let's start with this. That your Schedule, Texas to start. It's rough. Three weeks later at Seattle, at Illinois, Best Illinois team in years. Penn State at Michigan. You got a quarterback who's really good. Julian saying, you got to get him ready to roll really early in that season. How big of a. What do you do as a staff to get that kid ready? Week one is arguably the toughest game he will play in his career. How do you get him ready to roll?
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Unknown
Well, it starts early. When you. When you start off with a game like this, first game of the season, you know, it's. It just has your attention, even in July. And then, you know, we got to have a great August. You know, I think in the spring, we made a lot of progress. We try to put him in as many game situations as possible and then go from there. But, you know, he's got a really good supporting group around him. You know, Lincoln Keynotes is right there with him, too. He's had a great summer. So the two of these guys are going to compete, you know, all summer, and we'll kind of see how that all shakes out, but put them in as many competitive situations as possible and see how they react to it. But ultimately, they got really good guys around them. They need to make routine plays, take care of the football, and then, you know, when it's fourth and two, find a way to get three yards.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, people would look at this and say, boy, Ryan Day, he's got the national championship. I would argue this is a tough year to be a coach. At Ohio state, you lost 16 starters. You got to navigate through this nil, which is hard for everybody, including Ohio State. You could draw up plays in front of me for five hours, but creating chemistry is hard. You got a lot of new faces. Take us through that. Like, the downside to being Ohio State is you lose 15 guys to the pros every year, you've got a lot of new faces. How do you build that culture quickly?
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Unknown
Well, I think going back to last year, we had so many guys decide to come back, and then we brought in a few older guys in the portal. And then, so what happened was, you know, like you said, you had a mass exodus this year, but that's part of the culture, is bringing those young guys along, and they were able to not only be a part of the run, but they. They played. They just didn't carry the water, and so now they have to do that. And so one of the biggest challenges this off season was our team has to grow up. And the faster we grow up, the faster we're going to be able to, you know, reach our maximum capacity. And so, you know, the goal was for that to be in the first game and then, you know, we come up for air and figure out where we're at. But, you know, guys are going to be a little experienced going into the season, but. But that's college football. You're constantly going to have turnover like this. And so this isn't the first time we've gone through it before, but. But having a game like this certainly has everybody's attention in the summer.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I said yesterday I picked Penn State to play for the national championship. And I said the fact that Ohio State is as good as they are and the Big Ten media took Penn State, I said, I think Penn State's backfield's about as good as a college backfield can get. Their O lines, excellent. I think it's going to be a real challenge. The good thing, you get them. You get them at home, and that is a big advantage. You beat them last year there. Now you get them at home, and that's worth a field goal or more in college football. Let's talk the Penn State game, because everybody's going to. But it looks like to me, over the last three years, Ryan, I said this yesterday. I think the Big Ten at the top is better than the sec. I think the NIL is more powerful. You've got more big markets. You go back three years. When you look at film on Sunday preparing for the next team, do you notice a significant improvement in your conference personnel wise? Not just from Penn State, but Illinois and Minnesota and Iowa. Do you notice it on film?
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Unknown
Yes. Yes. I think that we have tremendous coaches. I think James does a great job. Brett does a great job. You know, you see the different coaches throughout the league. So I think the Big Ten is attracting the best coaches in the country, not to say anyone, you know, other conferences don't have great coaches, but I think we have really good coaches. But I also think that, you know, with the, you know, the age of the nil, we're able to tap into the resources that, you know, some of the Big Ten areas are able to grab onto. And certainly, you know, Columbus is one of those that not only has a great infrastructure in the city, but also the fan base that we have. And I think that's been powerful along the way to continue to build, and we're positioned really good moving forward, like you said. But the other part of it is, you know, when you bring in some of the strongest teams, you know, four of them from the PAC 12 to make an 18 team conference. Now you're talking about a national conference that's strong from coast to coast.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Your schedule is rough. The what is the balance? Because I still think I said this before, usc, LSU and Colorado went heavy portal and I don't feel like their chemistry's ever been as solvent, as stable as yours. And my take is there is a balance. I mean, when you can get a Caleb Downs, go get him. The kid's just absolutely incredible. But do you go back and forth on this? Is it a little bit of an emotional balance of how much is high school and how much is nil? I still think high school football, you know, the odometer, you've been recruiting them since they were 14. Sometimes you get an nil guy, Ryan, and you just, there's stuff you don't know. What is the perfect balance to you on that?
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Unknown
I think it's a great point. I think we could talk about it for a long time, but I think now more than ever we have to recruit the right people and then retain them and then develop them and then keep, keep them in your program, which is kind of what you saw last year. We did add a couple pieces, but the majority of that team was guys that had been here for four and five years. And not only are they older, but, you know, they had a lot of experience and they really wanted to leave a legacy behind at Ohio State. And to your point, I think we're, you know, we're all trying to figure that part of it out. And I think at Ohio State, you know, we want to make sure as the rules continue to evolve and really change, like the new format of the salary cap. And we're all trying to identify how this third party nil is actually going to be figured out and really managed, you know, and the structure that's going to be in place enforcement wise, you know, we're all trying to figure that part of it out. And I think some programs, you know, their decision is to be really super aggressive and there's other programs that are going to try to be in the middle and then some others that are conservative. And I think understanding that the culture is the number one most important thing along the way, we got to make sure the culture is right. And so that's the focus for me, that's the focus for us. We got to make sure we still have the right people, recruit the right people in high school and then retain.
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Colin Cowherd
A couple years ago I, I had said on this show, I said, jamar Chase was a pro when he was a sophomore at lsu, I said, he's playing on Saturdays. That guy would be a number one on Sundays as a sophomore. He's the best young receiver I think I've ever seen. And then I watched Jeremiah Smith and I'm like, oh, no, he's better. How do you keep somebody that gifted who's going to win all one on one matchups? How do you keep him focused? How do you keep him centered? How do you keep him energized? How do you keep him. I mean, listen, he's going to beat coverage. There's nobody like him in college football that can be a challenge for a coach. How do you keep him centered and focused and energized when you, when he is that gifted and can beat singular coverage so easily and consistently?
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Unknown
I think the thing that's remarkable about Jeremiah is you don't have to. He does it on his own. He's self motivated. He brings it every day. Our strength coach, Mick Moratti was talking about the other day when we do warm up sprints before every workout. He wins every one of them. He says it the other day. He goes, he wins every single sprint. He just. For somebody as talented as he is, he has a tremendous amount of discipline and skill in his life. And I think that's what's making, you know, he's already special, but it's continuing to make him special. I mean, you should see him now. He's bigger, he's faster, he's stronger, he's extremely motivated. He wants to win every game. When he loses a game, I mean, he can't eat solid food for a long time. I mean, he really cares about his teammates. He sets an amazing example and he doesn't need to be motivated. I think that's what makes him special. And I think a lot of guys are seeing that. In his own way, you know, he's not a real, you know, verbal guy. He doesn't, you know, really, you know, get out, get out in front of things in terms of that. But he leads the way in terms of his work ethic and obviously he has so much respect for what he does on the field. But, you know, when you talk to people who play up against him, I think his size and his power and his strength and what really separates him.
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Colin Cowherd
As a player, yeah, it just, I mean, he just comes out of the uniform like it just is there, there. You don't have to be a football expert to watch him come out of the tunnel and go, wow. Ryan Day, the National Championship Buckeye coach. They open on Fox with Texas. That folks is one for the ages. Get in front of a TV and enjoy that. It's in Columbus and that is an edge. Ryan, we appreciate you stopping by.
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Unknown
Thanks, Colin. Appreciate you, man.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. That's going to be When's the last time an opening game in the college football weekend was that good? That I couldn't. You could argue well that the two best players in the country are Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs. Those are the two best players in the country. I had somebody tell me that Caleb Downs would have gone number one. He got almost take out quarterback. He would have got number one last year's draft. That's how good he is. Then you got Arch Manning, which is an unbelievable story. You have two huge brands that I bet you that sets a record for a Labor Day weekend college football game. I bet you that sets and that set. Everybody tells no, nobody's watching tv. That will set a record. I can't wait for that thing. Fox gave me my college football preview book this weekend. I'm sitting there watching the British Open, the open with Rory McElroy and Scotty Scheffler and reading that. I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna lie. 11:30 in the morning. I poured a cold one. I was totally committed to that beer. And Texas, Ohio State and the Open live in Chicago. It's third. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about? Head to your local Walmart target and try the OG degree Cool rush for yourself. Introducing the new Dell AI PC powered by the Intel Core Ultra processor. It's not just an AI computer, it's a computer built for AI. That means it's built to help do your busy work for you so you can fast forward through editing images, designing presentations, generating code, debugging code, running lots of apps without lag, summarizing meeting notes, extending battery life, finding that file you were looking for, managing your schedule, meeting your deadlines, responding to Jim's long emails, leaving all the time in the world for more you time and for the things you actually want to do. No offense Jim. Get a new Dell AI PC starting at 749.99@dell.com aipc how those ahead? Stay ahead Sunday on Fox.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, USC reached out to me and said we dispute the Athletics revenue numbers. They listed them at 71 million, which puts them around Ole Miss, Miami, Utah, South Carolina. USC says, hey, that's, that's not the case. We have almost double that. They'd be around seven or eight kind of Tennessee, Bama, Auburn, ish area. USC is private, by the way, but this is the number we worked off of. I do know usc is raising eight. I've said this ten times during the last six months. They're up to about 18 million in the nil, which I never thought they'd get to. Jen Cohen's the athletic director. It has been, it has been a work to kind of galvanize all the boosters to be on the same page. But it's really, it is still really interesting. USC doesn't have a single player, first team, offense or defense. Indiana and Iowa have four each. And so it's fascinating with Lincoln Riley, he's making too much money. There's no buyout happening. They're building new facilities. They're given 18 million. They got the donors. They have some older donors. I don't know how many great young donors they have. But it's a fascinating college football dilemma out west for USC because Oregon has got nothing but money. Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas A and M. So it it, you would think because of the Los Angeles county and la, you'd think USC is loaded. Now they're saying we're way more Loaded and doing much better than the Athletic is saying. And they are private. So I'm not exactly sure how the Athletic got all their numbers. I know their nil number is, I was told two years ago it was at 13 and I thought that was, you know, 6 to 7 below Oregon, but I thought that was double Washington. I was blown away by that because it's a very political, distracted, kind of agenda driven base. But they're saying, hey, our numbers much better than that. But what's interesting is all the other teams that are spending that kind of money, they got a lot of good players. That's the thing. If USC's is in line with all these, where are the players? They don't have a single player first team, all Big Ten offense or defense. And they have a page a left tackle, Kamari Ramsey, Eric Gentry a linebacker, Lemon a wide receiver. They got some good players. But you know, these days this idea of what we're going to move off coaches, those days are over. If you're paying 15 million up for nil keeping up with facilities, you're not buying out a coach for $70 million as well and then bringing in a new guy for 75. Those days are over. You know, you don't have to like Brian Kelly and lsu. He's going to stand until he wants to go. That's just what the NIL has done for the record. J. Mac, did you Nick Wright earlier talked about Caleb Williams. He thinks it starts well. I thought he brought up a really interesting point and it's one that you agree with. Here's what the Bears have going for them. Detroit and I think it's even the odds makers in Vegas, the draft kings of the worlds are saying Detroit's pulling back. They lost their stud center. The schedule's tough. Everybody in the division's probably better. They lost both coordinators, so that's what the Bears have going for them. Detroit's not going to be as dominant as they've been the last two years. Secondly, we don't know if J.J. mcCarthy can play. And there's people that I trust saying it ain't great. There's a reason you're not seeing much video. Third is Jordan Love did not end the season in good shape and they drafted a receiver with the first pick. You and I love Green Bay's receivers inside the building. They clearly don't because their first pick was a wide receiver. So I would say this regarding the Bears. That division looks like it's as good as the AFC west with Kansas City. Here's Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and Sean Payton and Bo Nix and Herbert and Harbaugh. J.J. mcCarthy. We don't know Detroit. I think you and Nick Fairly are saying that's the pullback team of last year in Green Bay this morning. Do we know what Jordan Love is?
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J. Mac
Well, let me ask you, do we know what Caleb Williams is?
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Colin Cowherd
We don't. But I like going into a season having upgraded O line significantly and head coach significantly that I like. I have the Bears as a wild card team about 9 to 10 wins. Wild card team.
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J. Mac
How many teams you got in the playoffs? Cowherd 15.
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Colin Cowherd
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