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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Chris Broussard
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
The Name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Nate Thompson
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
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Nate Thompson
Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to Energyline with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to three EAs, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Todd McShay
Now, let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Wednesday. We're live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Todd McShay, an old friend, gonna be joining us in four or five minutes. Also, Chris Broussard next. The NFL draft is obviously. And we'll touch on that with McShay here in five minutes. It's coming up in three weeks. So Steph Curry overshadowed by Jokic, having 61. Steph Curry had 52 last night, hit a dozen three pointers. Warriors beat the fading Grizzlies. So I always think about this. We've talked about this, how certain players in the NBA are great. Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, James Harden. They're not influential. Shaq was great. He wasn't that influential. Magic Bird, LeBron, Steph Curry are influential. It's like Jeff Bezos is rich and influential. He ended malls. He changed retail in America. That's influential. Elon Musk, even before Doge, you know, politics aside, automotive industry, space industry, like that, that. Larry Ellison is really rich. 192 billion. He owns half of Hawaii. He doesn't. He doesn't feel half as influential as, like, Steve Jobs did, like, like, brought art into tech. Larry Ellison just a really smart guy. That and super rich. And that's kind of the difference. Is Steph Curry, you know, Tim Duncan and Wilt. Great. Influential. Just great. Steph's just different. I mean, change basketball overseas, AU basketball. And we always knew he would be a guy that would age well. Smart athletes age well. They take care of their body. You know, guys that are still going to nightclubs or don't eat right or they're not intentional, you know, with their training. They age very quickly. I always said Cam Newton and Big Ben age very quickly. Brady really intentional with his diet. Pilates training aged incredibly well. And Steph falls into that class. But it's just, it's. It's really remarkable what he's done. He is. And he's not athletically a force of nature. Shaq was. But the second best part of Steph is he just works well, with everybody, right, you don't get a lot of ego. And I've said international soccer in the NBA, you know, listen, it's about the star as much as the team. See, you got to battle some of the ego stuff. I mean, LeBron's got an ego, but LeBron plays well with others. D. Wade has an ego. He played well with others. Carmelo not so much. He kind of wanted to be the guy. He was threatened by Jeremy Lynn at one point. So I think Steph's aging well and Steve Kerr's talking about it.
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Todd McShay
Can't believe he's still, still doing this at this age. But he's put the work in and he still got it. How much do you think that week.
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Colin Cowherd
Off he just had maybe boosted up a little bit?
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Joy Taylor
I think it helped.
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Todd McShay
And I think two rounds of golf on this road trip helped. Yeah, I'm not, I'm only half joking, you know, he. But yeah, the week off was helpful for him. I think he looks recharged, rejuvenated.
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Colin Cowherd
How about this? Lakers warriors, if the playoffs started today, would meet now. That's not what you want. You want those to advance. You want the story to be expanded. You'd love the Lakers and Warriors to win and, and then meet in the second or the third round. But that's where it is today. I will tell you, I was thinking about this. Lakers warriors, the warriors have a really deep bench and the bench gives you looney. And post give you size. Buddy Heel gives you shooting. Kaminga gives you athleticism. The warriors have one of the better benches, like the Boston Celtics in the NBA. In the playoffs though, are you going to trust G. Santos? Are you going to play him a lot? I'm not sure if you are. Are you going to play post a lot? You know the guy from the Netherlands. Are you going to play him a lot in the postseason? Maybe not. You'll play looney more so. But it, it's getting real interesting now. The, the Thunder and the Rockets, especially the Thunder are pulled away from everybody. Man, it is really, really how good? I mean, the Timberwolves are seven. That is a good team. That, that is, that is an all time great number seven seed. Do we have the Eastern Conference standings for us? Because think about this, like, you could get Kawhi Leonard, you can get depth. Zubots, the center, like the Clippers are a good team. They're not a great team. And you never know who's going to actually play, but it's a good team. Timberwolves as a seven seed. Compared to a seven seed in the East. Like the, and I've said this, I don't know exactly why this is, but the Western Conference, like, I understand why the SEC is better in college football. The footprint. There's all these unbelievable athletes, these totally addicted high school football programs. Like, I get why high school football is good in Dallas or Georgia or Florida. Like, I get it. The Western Conference has been so much deeper and better than the Eastern Conference. Now I do think the Celtics and the Cavs are the two best teams, but the Orlando Magic are three games under.500. They're a seven seed in the East. And the T Wolves, that just beat the Nuggets with a great staff, they're a seven seed in the West. So the, the gap is significant. Well, a buddy, NFL draft college analyst, now he's at the ringer. Good for him. Todd McShay, haven't talked in a while. Joining us live in the herd. Todd, how are you? Great to have you on. Congrats on your success and congrats on going to the ringer, man.
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Todd McShay
Thanks, man. It's good to talk to you. It's been a minute.
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Joy Taylor
You.
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Todd McShay
You were always supportive of me at our. During our last adventure, if you will. Adventure, certainly at espn. And it's great to catch up with you.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's all I keep hearing from my people in the league is this is not a great draft. And I'm like, okay, there's got to be a couple areas that you like it. So if I said to you, give me two position groups, Todd, that you'll go to the well on, and you'll say, okay, it's a good year for what in this draft?
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Todd McShay
Running backs and defensive line. Colin, I mean, I was looking at it the other day. I went back 30 years and then I kind of got. I kind of got bored. In the last 30 years, I think it was 26 defensive linemen. That was the highest number we've seen. And talk an interior defensive lineman and edge. And this year I've got 35 players along the interior and at edge that could get drafted in the first three rounds. So even if I'm off by like eight, if my evaluation's too high on eight of these guys, it still will be a record number of interior defensive linemen and edge defenders that come off the board. And then at running back, this is, this is the best group I've ever evaluated. I've been doing it 25 years. And it starts with Ashton Jinty, right? Who's going to be a worst case he goes 10 to Chicago, we could see him go six to the Raiders. I mean, he, he's. If you, when I'm talking to guys in the league, it's like, yeah, he's a running back, but I've got a grade on him that's like just a tick below the top two guys that everyone's talking about in Abdul Carter, the edge rusher from Penn State and Travis Hunter, the generational talent both sides of the ball from Colorado. And then beyond just genty, you've got Omarion Hampton, who's like 220 plus, light on his feet, powerful, best missed tackles, force of any running back after the catch is a receiver. So he's that combination.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Oh, he's unbelievable. I've got 18 guys, Colin, and at the running back position the first four rounds with grades, the three year average is 10. We're talking about almost twice as much talent in the first four. Yeah, it's crazy. And you go down the list of these guys and it's beyond Jinty and Hampton, it's Travion Henderson and Judd and Kunchon Judkins from Ohio State who are just, first of all, nasty blockers, both explosive, Judkins more powerful, Henderson faster and more dangerous in the, in the passing game. Then you've got Caleb Johnson from, from Iowa, who is great in that zone blocking scheme. Cam Scatterbow who is boo. Who is like, he was awesome when you watched him on TV and then putting on the tape, I actually even liked him more. And I know he's going to. He runs in the four sixes and all of that, but he's a phenomenal back. And then even beyond that, you've got RJ Harvey from ucf, DJ Giddens from Kansas State, lesser known guys who are going to come off the, the first few rounds. I just, I love this class of running backs. And you've seen it, Colin, right? Like with COVID 2 defenses and everyone in the league spreading things out. Everything's cyclical, right? You spread these, these defenses out. The passing game heavy in the last decade of the NFL. Now teams are trying to figure out how do we counter that and it's not. We've seen a resurgence at running back and yes, this talent is outstanding and a lot of these guys would go regardless, irregardless of the year. But with the NFL and defenses playing that cover to making you kind of drive the ball down the field trying to avoid the big plays from the Patrick Mahomes and the Josh Allens and all these big arm quarterbacks you've got to have a running back now to counter it, who's explosive. And that's why you saw. That's why you saw Detroit. And everyone was yelling at Brad Holmes, the GM for the Lions a couple of years. Jameer Gibbs can't draft a running back that high. You already got a running back. Well, look at what that did to that offense. And when the starter goes out a few weeks and when you've got both of them healthy, it just elevated things. I think that's what we're seeing in the NFL right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so Cam Ward, the playmaker, got a little Caleb Williams. I see it. I get it. Better arm than Shador. If I said to you, and you're hearing stories about this Shador Sanders, Jackson Dart, are there people you believe that grade Jackson Dart ahead of Shador Sanders?
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Todd McShay
I know of one team that does. I can tell you that there's, there's 31 other teams, and that team may not draft either of these, these quarterbacks, but I can tell you that at least one team in the league has a slightly higher grade on Jackson Dart than they do on, on Shador Sanders. And so to me, I have identical grades on them. I watch Jackson Dart and listen, I like Shador Sanders a lot. Doesn't have a huge arm, does not have mobility. I think that's the biggest mistake in the evaluation, at least early in the process. Well, he's, he's coach prime, son. He's fast.
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Colin Cowherd
He's.
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Todd McShay
He's not fast at all. I bet you he'd run like a, I don't know, 4, 8 in the 40 if he ever ran one. And he's never going to. But what I do love about him is I think he's the fastest processor of all these quarterbacks in the passing game. Now, his instincts in terms of the pocket and kind of extending and drifting and always looking for the home run and not taking the short change, those sorts of things, things he'll manage through. And if people don't like him, what they say is he has some of the bad habits that Caleb Williams had that cause and problems as a rookie, but he doesn't have the arm or any. Is a fraction of the athleticism. But the people who love him love the fact that he's the best pure passer in terms of touch, timing, layering the football, and he's the fastest processor in this class. Now you go to Jackson Dart. Bigger arm, bigger kid, more mobile. I think accuracy is good, but it's not quite at the level of Shador. Yeah, but the thing that made me fall in love with him. And listen, the detractors will say, well, Lane Kiffin, that offense, they run that same sale route concept and they'll run it three, four times a game and they do things over and over again, predetermined reads. And yeah, that's true. It doesn't mean he can't do it. It's a matter of getting with him and figuring out how he learns. Can he go through NFL reads and all those things? But when I fell in love with Jackson Dart, there's. When you have the tape access, we have like the PFF ultimate combined with like the catapult, this whole system, you can go in and do cut ups, go in and watch his cutups on his intermediate throws 10 to 25 yards and watch his accuracy compared to a lot of other guys in this class. And then the thing that really jumped out to me, I watched over 1200 snaps in like a five day span. Of these quarterbacks versus pressure, his was so significantly better. And I saw a lot of, I know he's not the size and he doesn't have the arm, but a lot of the same things that makes Josh Allen special in terms of avoiding quickly alluding but calm this presence about him as he's rolling out and seeing the field. He was so much better in those versus pressure moments to throw that 161 clip reel that I went through than all of these other quarterbacks were. That, that to me spoke volumes because that in the NFL you've got to, you have got to make intermediate throw and you've got to be able to work under pressure. And he did both of those at Ole Miss at a very high level.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, Travis Hunter, first of all, I think he's going to be good at whatever he does. But if I was a coach, I'd be like, I'd rather have 12 targets than chasing the other team's best receiver around. I can get a corner in the fifth round. There is no more lockdown corner. As good as Patrick Zirtan is. There's so much motion, so many sets, the great offensive coaches making it virtually impossible to get your hands on anybody. If I'm New England and I can get 12 targets for this kid, fly sweeps, bubble screens, I don't know. To me, I think he's an offensive player in the NFL if we want to put him in a nickel because we love his athletic ability. But don't you see him as an offensive guy in an offensive league?
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Todd McShay
You know, it's Funny. Like there's, there's two trains of thoughts thought here. The first is cornerback. It's hard to play wide receiver full time and then kind of moonlight or minor at the cornerback position. Right, right. And so, so coaches get involved in this process and, and they're like, yeah, I understand it, but we can put in installs every week and have like a 20 play package for, for, for Travis on the offensive side. And so from a coaching standpoint, that makes more sense. Let's keep him in the cornerback room. He can do some things and work with wide receivers and work with the quarterback on the field and, and we can meet separately with those. But let's make him a corner and then do the install and some packages for him on offense. Okay, but the talent and what you're saying, those two factors, I think he's actually a better wide receiver. I think he's at his best with the ball in his hand. And the thing that goes like, we all get so caught up in what we're showing the highlights, right? How quick he is, how sudden he is. He's a dynamic athlete. I'm telling you, Colin, he's up there in like the top five of wide receivers in terms of ball skills in like the past decade that I've evaluated. It goes so and so. While that's great at corner, how many interceptions is he really going to have? So the average guy would get three, maybe he gets five in a year. But if I can have that weapon, who's that reliable and refine him a little bit as a route runner and I already think he's a little bit more refined as a receiver and then a corner, I tend to agree. If he falls to New England at four, you're telling me that they're looking at that and saying, well, sorry, Drake may, we're going to play him at corner, but we'll give you like 20 snaps. No chance, man. It will come down to the team that drafts him and what they need from him and then the kind of the load management, NBA stuff with him and trying to keep him healthy. But ultimately I want to get the ball in this guy's hands and I think, you know, we all know that offense is the way to do that.
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Colin Cowherd
Todd McShay now at the ringer. One last question on this, because when I was a kid, I mean I can remember the top two or three tight ends. Dave Casper for the Raiders, there were so few of them. Kellen Winslow. Well, I always had this theory is that as people got bigger, as athletes got bigger and we've just got more 6 foot 5, 240 pound men playing sports and they've got good hands because they played on their high school basketball team. And so, you know, mo humans are getting a little bigger. But what's interesting about the tight end is we just have so many great 6 5, 235 pound high school athletes all over the country. And it's like, well, let's put them at tight end. Some can block, some can't. But I look at the tight end position there and I never thought tight end was a first round position. Brock Bowers, total outlier. Best college tight end I've ever seen. Kyle Pitts, not as good as I thought. But I, but I do look at Tyler Warren at Penn State and I was, I watched that USC game and I'm sitting there and I'm like, dude, if I had to do I could he throw the ball? Could I put him in the backfield? What do you make of him as a prospect? Because I keep hearing it's a weak draft and I'm like, if you told me one guy went in this draft and we looked five years later and went, we just didn't get how good this guy was. He is different. What do you make of him historically as comp and the Penn State tight end?
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Todd McShay
He is different. I mean he's, he's six, five and two thirds and he's 256 pounds. And when you see him like break tackles and rumbling after the catch, you're like, yeah, he's every bit of that. Then you see him as a route runner, as an athlete. I mean he snapped the ball in that game and went and caught a touchdown pass in usc. So like he could just kind of, he's, he's kind of different in that you can. And people are like, well he's not a great blocker. Like, yeah, no kidding. Like he was doing everything else and yeah, he's got to improve in that area. I think he's so good after the catch, I think he knows how to get open. Even though he, he doesn't separate like Colson Loveland. If you want a wide receiver at tight end, that's your guy. Yeah, he doesn't block. Like, he's terrible at blocking. Let's just call it what it is. Colston Loveland's a wide and he's, he's a little bit more like Brock Bowers, just a tick behind him in terms of talent. Warren is different, man. Like you're watching the highlights here. He reminds me more of Gronk. If Loveland is. Is Bowers or Kelsey in that mode, this guy's Gronk in that He's. He's going to become a serviceable blocker. But what he does so well is he's gonna find a way to get open versus zone, boxing guys out, catch the ball. And then after the catch, he. He creates so many yards with his combination of his athleticism and then the fact that. That he's just barreling through guys, so. And then also there's this guy named Elijah Arroyo, who's 6 5, 251 pounds from Miami.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Who looks like he's about 230 the way he carries his weight. He had one year of great production at Miami this past year, had some injuries, but if he stays healthy, he's got a chance to be a star. And then Jason Taylor's son, Mason Taylor, it wasn't even utilized all that well at lsu. A lot of underneath didn't like, really stretch the seam and do those sorts of things. He's a. He's the same guy, six, four and a half, 251 pounds as arroyo and. And has an unbelievable skill set across the board. I. Those four tight ends have a chance to make a significant mark early in their careers and throughout their careers. And I think all four of them are going to be off the top, off the board, probably in the top 40 to 45 picks.
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Colin Cowherd
Todd, you look great. You sound great. Happy for you. You landed in a great spot. Say hi to Bill and the fellas. What a crush. My man.
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Todd McShay
I appreciate it, brother. I'll talk to you soon.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Todd McShay on. Good stuff. Yeah, I sat and watched that 17 catch game against USC, and you just put the kid anywhere, you know. And it's funny. Loveland plays for Michigan. Slender, kind of a slender tight end. But I think about this like Warren with the right offensive coach or a defensive coach, I feel like Warren is going to work everywhere. Like Brock Bowers. Last year, the Raiders were all defense. Brock Bowers was unbelievable. Loveland from Michigan's a guy that you give him to McVeigh and you're like, oh, now they can play games that you give him, that you give. By the way, I could see Kansas City moving up and getting Loveland and saying, okay, kelsey, last year, McVeigh, Matt LaFleur, a Shanahan, certain guys would take Loveland, the tight end and really play because he doesn't block. You're not going to have him on third or fourth down. But Warren's a guy. It's like on fourth down. I may snap it to him. He can do everything. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
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Colin Cowherd
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
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Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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Joy Taylor
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
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Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
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Todd McShay
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
Jeremy, Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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Colin Cowherd
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
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Todd McShay
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here?
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Colin Cowherd
But that doesn't seem to be what.
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Todd McShay
We'Re doing in this situation.
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Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Are your ears bored?
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Are you looking for a new podcast.
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Joy Taylor
That will make you laugh, learn and say gay?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio.
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Joy Taylor
A radiophonic novella, which is just a.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Very extra way of saying a podcast. We're launching this season with a mini series, totally nostalgic, a four part series about the Latinos who shaped pop culture in the early 2000s.
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Colin Cowherd
It's Lala checking in with all things Y2K 2000s. My favorite memory, honestly, was us having our own media platforms like Mundos and MTV.
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Todd McShay
Tres.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
You could turn on the TV, you.
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Colin Cowherd
See Thalia, you see JLo, Nina Sky, Evie Queen. All the girlies doing their things.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
All of the beauty reflected right back at us.
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Colin Cowherd
It was everything. Tune in to locatora radio season 10.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Now that's what I call a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League. And I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
I wore nine NHL sweaters, and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast, and it's going to be. Well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the energy line.
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Nate Thompson
We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Nate Thompson
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chris Broussard
You have to be very careful with tradition, because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
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H
I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talk with comedian and CNN host Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.
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Chris Broussard
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards, and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile. That's important, but you also need chaos Negro. You need.
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H
So you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent?
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Chris Broussard
He told. He talked. Did you saw the clip of him talking to Obama? He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh, yeah, you. Oh, what you did? You killed Bin Laden. That's what's up.
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H
Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Colin Cowherd
Chris Broussard, last hour. Todd McShay did a great job. I mean, that guy's a machine. Absolute machine, knocking it out of the park. You still don't. You don't think less of me after I had caviar and oysters and vodka last night.
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Joy Taylor
Well, you know what they're calling you on staff now.
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Colin Cowherd
What?
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Joy Taylor
Caviar Colin. That's the new nickname. It used to be Coastal Elite Colin. Now it's caviar.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I was willing to be vulnerable and put it out there. I could have said I went out there and had a Hot pocket and a corn dog and related to America, but I didn't do that.
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Joy Taylor
A Hot pocket. Have you ever had a Hot Pocket?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Joy Taylor
How are they on that Hot Pocket?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah. Now, corn dogs. Corn dogs are kind of a state fair thing. They're great.
- [28:12]
Joy Taylor
Pay me to have a. Oh, corn dogs are great.
- [28:14]
Colin Cowherd
Maybe only a couple of year, but they're great.
- [28:16]
Joy Taylor
A couple of years.
- [28:17]
Colin Cowherd
Corn dog, state fair.
- [28:18]
Joy Taylor
Your eating habits are. You like to make fun of my mutton, which I've never had in my life, but these corn dogs. Come on, bro. You're really eating corn dogs.
- [28:27]
Colin Cowherd
I've had. I'll have a corn dog a year.
- [28:28]
Joy Taylor
Never had one in my life, but I'm not. I don't want to have one.
- [28:31]
Colin Cowherd
All right, well, sounds like a you problem. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.
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Todd McShay
Heard on the news.
- [28:37]
Colin Cowherd
This is the her not a problem.
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Joy Taylor
Are torpedo bats a problem, Colin? That's what people are asking. Giancarlo Stanton right now he's injured. He has elbow tendonitis and last month he had. He said some bat adjustments were the reason his elbow was bothering him. But yesterday when asked if the torpedo bat causes injury, he said, you're not going to get a story you're looking for. This could be the first negative aspect of the torpedo bats, but again, it's a big could and it's speculative. Maybe it's his swing again.
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Colin Cowherd
The Yankees led baseball and homer's last year, so let's settle down. The Twins used these last weekend and got swept.
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Joy Taylor
Can we get shipped to Atlanta for your brains?
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Colin Cowherd
The Dodgers are not reportedly using them yet. And also John Carlos. Stan's been hurt since he was in Florida. Like he's hurt all the time. I don't think it's the bat. I think it's. His body breaks down.
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Joy Taylor
Ohtani was a torpedo bat. Oh my gosh. Just shut it down.
- [29:37]
Colin Cowherd
Let me ask you. You're a great hitter in baseball and somebody told you potentially you could be greater, would you screw with it?
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Joy Taylor
Of course you could always be better.
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Colin Cowherd
You wouldn't.
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Joy Taylor
You'd be happy with your greatness.
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Colin Cowherd
I. I think I'd. I'd take a few BPs with it and see if I could. I'd see what I could do with it. But you got to be careful. Baseball and golf, you don't want to mess with a swing like baseball players. There's kind of a rule in baseball that don't play golf on an. Like a lot of baseball guys don't want to do the Home Run Derby even for a night. Like, get out of that Home Run Derby stuff. Some, some. I think it's some baseball players, like golf swing, like, don't mess. Don't mess with your swing, your stance. Like, just don't screw with it. Like, there's a couple of years ago guys were complaining, like, I don't want to go to the Home Run Derby. I don't want to sit there for two hours and do unnatural swings to jack it out of the yard. I don't want to get in my.
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Joy Taylor
Head, you know, I just thought of the torpedo bats. Maybe if they would have been around when Michael Jordan was trying to be a baseball player, it would have helped him. He couldn't bat over.200. He could have used a torpedo.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know. I think there's a lot of guys. I mean, there's a lot of guys in baseball that are playing that bat 242. If this could take you to 265.
- [30:51]
Joy Taylor
Yeah.
- [30:51]
Colin Cowherd
You go from the ninth in the lineup to the seventh. Like, it's a thing.
- [30:54]
Joy Taylor
Yeah. If I. If I'm like, you know, if someone's like, hey, Jay, do you want to use some HGH to go from jacked to Arnold? Do you want to mess around with it? And I would. I would consider it. Okay, consider it. Next story is, let's go to the New York Giants and Brian Dable. He's got a new qb. One it is Russell Wilson, and Dable is singing his praises, saying he certainly has ability to use his legs, extend plays. Great explosive plays. Phenomenal deep ball thrower, has created a bunch of explosive plays and scoring points for his team. And Russ does a good job making decisions with the football, the games that he's played.
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Colin Cowherd
He goes from defensive culture to offensive coach. So there's every reason to believe Russell will be the better version of what he is now. My guess is because he played pretty well early in the season, my guess is Russell Wilson will be better with the Giants than he was with the Steelers simply because of the coaching stats or wins. Just stats. He'll be a better. Like at the end of last year, they couldn't get a touchdown. They were bad. But that's. That's half of that Steelers. So I think Russell will be a better version of Russell in New York with Dable. No question.
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Joy Taylor
The biggest surprise will they get out of the cellar this year?
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Colin Cowherd
The Giants?
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I think. I think day balls were two wins that Schottenheimer would lose. I have Cowboys in fourth Place.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't hate that final story happened last night in the NBA. Colin, this is a little depressing because I know you're such a Russell Westbrook fan. Look, late in the game, down one. Westbrook with the steal, blows the layup. Unbelievable miss by Westbrook there, but he compounds the mistake. Colin, as they're nursing the lead, watch Russell Wilson rotates to the shooter and bro, you found a three point shooter at the buzzer. What the hell are you doing? Look at his teammates. If you watch the video again, his teammates all put their hands to their head like, dude, what are you doing? And then Alexander Walker buries two free throws. They win. Everybody's laughing at Russell Westbrook.
- [32:57]
Colin Cowherd
Well, he's not.
- [32:59]
Joy Taylor
It was a rough ending. Listen, you know I play a lot of hoops. I would probably just sit out basketball for like three weeks if that happened. You cost your team.
- [33:06]
Colin Cowherd
I think there are. I think Russell's always been hyper athletic. I do not think he's got a ton of basketball self awareness.
- [33:14]
Joy Taylor
That's a great point.
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Colin Cowherd
But I think he's a great athlete and a Hall of Famer. But like this is just not. Come on Russell, you've been in the game too long. That's insane.
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Jeremy Hobson
It's horrible.
- [33:23]
Joy Taylor
And then this layup was bad. He missed a free throw earlier. It's like, dude, look at that.
- [33:27]
Colin Cowherd
I mean again, he plays so hard. He's been a plus for the Nuggets. But I think this is one of those situations where you would have to ask yourself in Denver, do we want him on the court late in game?
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Joy Taylor
That's a great question.
- [33:39]
Colin Cowherd
His decision making. We know he's an athlete, we know he's productive. He plays his butt off. He could, he can, he can be a playmaker. But you get into these situational basketball games. He cost that team the W. Now.
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Joy Taylor
This is the interesting thing. Jokic loves him. Jokic loves playing with him because Russ doesn't stop running. He's cutting all the time. But Michael Malone is going to lose his mind over stuff like this. Colin, Nuggets are going to be interesting to watch in the playoffs because what do you do with Russ? He's a non shooter. You don't have to respect his jump shot. Jokic, by the way, wanted that win last night. Did not sub out after halftime. Told the coach, I'm good. We got to win this one. Now if you look at the standings in the, in the Western Conference, Colin, it is. This Lakers warriors game is massive. Because neither of those tomorrow night. Yeah, it's huge. They want to pass the Nuggets, that coveted two seed. Right.
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Colin Cowherd
You.
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Joy Taylor
You want the two or maybe the three to face Memphis there. Denver, Golden State and the Lakers all jockeying for position.
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Colin Cowherd
Everybody wants to play Memphis.
- [34:35]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Yes.
- [34:36]
Joy Taylor
I don't think you really want to play Minnesota at seven.
- [34:38]
Colin Cowherd
No, no. You. You don't want to play Oklahoma City. You don't because they're on a heater. They're incredible at home. Nobody wants to pay play them, but I don't.
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Joy Taylor
Lakers are only a half game back. Of the three. If the Rockets stay at two and the Lakers can get three, just put the Lakers in the conference finals. Lock that up. They will take down the Grizzlies and then the Rockets in the second round and that would be amazing for the Lakers. Yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd Lie News. Good stuff today. Todd McShay, Chris Broussard is. Is joining us next hour. It is. We had the over under yesterday. I still feel strongly about that. I like when we get a couple of weeks out from the draft. You know, everybody is saying, oh, it's, it's a bad draft. But that doesn't necessarily. For instance, I'll give you an example. There are a couple of teams in this league like, like a team like the New York Giants. So you say, oh, it's a bad draft. But if the New York Giants, who have a good left tackle, right, who have one weapon and they have a pretty good defense, if they landed a Travis Hunter and then their second pick, get one of the top five backs, it's a tremendous draft of the New York Giants who have an offensive coach, who have their left tackle, have an elite weapon. They need a running back and they need another top receiver. So if you may think it's a bad draft, and my takeaway is if the Giants get a Travis Hunter, like, like New England's a great example. If Travis Hunter falls to New England, forget the rest of the draft, that they don't have any. They've been one of the slowest teams in the league for six years. So what's a bad draft? It could be a bad draft for Kansas because there's, you know, they need an offensive tackle and they're drafting at the very end and the three best offensive tackles are off the board. So like, you know, you could. There are teams, when you get in Death Valley in the draft, which is like 24 down, but I start, I mean Is it going to be a bad draft for the Titans if they get Cam Ward? It could be a franchise changing draft. And I think, I think if you look at the Giants, if the Giants could get a Travis Hunter with neighbors and then land a running back in the second or third round, like a it elite running back available in the third round, it's a, it's a game changing draft for the Giant. They've got defensive personnel, they've got the offensive coach, they've got the left tackle. So you know, I think, I don't think it's a great draft if you're deep in the first round. But the Niners have 12 draft picks. They have got to hit on a defensive lineman, they've got a hit on an offensive tackle. They need another running back. So I mean they're, they're like if you have 12 draft picks, all you have to hit in about half. If San Francisco hits on half at the right spot, it's a great draft for them because they didn't want to lose Hufanga, they didn't want to lose Greenlaw, and in one year they may be out of Trent Williams. So like Niners, Giants, Patriots, Tennessee Titans, these could be great drafts for these teams. Live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartrade radio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search KO Vino And Rich, wherever you get your podcast, and of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
- [39:01]
Colin Cowherd
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
- [39:04]
Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
- [39:05]
Colin Cowherd
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
- [39:08]
Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
- [39:16]
Joy Taylor
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
- [39:18]
Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
- [39:23]
Todd McShay
Thanks for having me, Jeremy.
- [39:24]
Jeremy Hobson
Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
- [39:26]
Colin Cowherd
Thanks for having me.
- [39:27]
Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
- [39:32]
Colin Cowherd
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
- [39:35]
Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
- [39:44]
Todd McShay
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here?
- [39:49]
Colin Cowherd
But that doesn't seem to be what.
- [39:50]
Todd McShay
We'Re doing in this situation.
- [39:52]
Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [39:58]
Julie Stewart-Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
- [40:08]
Nate Thompson
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey.
- [40:16]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate. And JSB is the name of the podcast and it's gonna be, well, it's gonna be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the energy line.
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Nate Thompson
We'll have plenty of folks join us, Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what Energy alliance are supposed to do. Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
- [40:49]
Nate Thompson
I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll.
- [40:51]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to EnergyLine with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Are your ears bored?
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Are you looking for a new podcast.
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Joy Taylor
That will make you laugh, learn, and say gay?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today. Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio.
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Joy Taylor
A radiophonic novella, which is just a.
- [41:18]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Very extra way of saying a podcast. We're launching this season with a miniseries, totally nostalgic, a four part series about the Latinos who shaped pop culture in the early 2000s.
- [41:32]
Colin Cowherd
It's Lala checking in with all things Y2K 2000s.
- [41:36]
Julie Stewart-Banks
My favorite memory, honestly, was us having.
- [41:39]
Colin Cowherd
Our own media platforms like Mundos and MTV Tres.
- [41:42]
Julie Stewart-Banks
You could turn on the TV, you.
- [41:43]
Colin Cowherd
See Talia, you see JLo, Nina's Sky, Evie Queen, all the girlies doing their.
- [41:49]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Things, all of the beauty reflected right back at us.
- [41:52]
Colin Cowherd
It was everything. Tune in to locatora radio season 10.
- [41:56]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Now that's what I call a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chris Broussard
You have to be very careful with tradition because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
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H
I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talked with comedian and CNN host Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major League Baseball.
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Chris Broussard
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile, that's important. But you also need chaos Negro. You need.
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H
So you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent?
- [42:47]
Chris Broussard
He told. He talked. You saw the clip of him talking to Obama. He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh yeah, you what you did, you killed bin Laden. That's what's up.
- [42:54]
H
Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Joy Taylor
We got a full weekend of football. And it all starts with Fox UFL Friday as the Birmingham Stallions take on the Michigan Panthers at 8 Eastern. Then Sunday at 6:30, the San Antonio Brahmas take on the St. Louis Battle Hawks United Football League this weekend on Fox NFS one.
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Colin Cowherd
So, you know, I've, I've talked about this years and years ago. I used to talk about this all the time. One of the mistakes college like football programs make all the time. And this will become a Steeler topic, an Aaron Rogers topic in a second. But is that they have a long time assistant within the program and then the legendary coach leaves and they just elevate the longtime assistant. And my take is if he was great, he wouldn't still Be an assistant. Somebody would have cherry picked him. Like Alabama, to their credit. Like Nick Saban left and they're like, no, no, no. We're going to get Kaylin DeBoer from across country. Like that's the way you do it. But you don't. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest and all my schools. Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State. Too often, like, let's just elevate the number two. Well, you're not a number two for very long in any business. If you're great, you go across the street and make six times the money. And so I think the Pittsburgh Steelers have had a really bad off season. And when their general manager retired about a year ago, they just moved up Omar Khan, who'd been in the organization forever. Now maybe he's the best guy for the job. But they didn't go outside of the walls and of, of, you know, and there's a lot of really good young GMs in this league. I mean, where do you think the Rams find McVeigh? He's 30 years old. Coaches, GMs, you know, they're, they're guys are poaching the McVeigh tree for coaches. Guys are poaching the Kansas City Chiefs and the Patriots for years for their personnel people, right? Doesn't mean they all make it. But I didn't love when the Detroit Lions, when Ben Johnson leaves, who's this superstar offensive coach? And let's just, let's just bring a guy up in our building. Maybe it works. But was he the best person available in the country? Probably not. What are the chances? So the Steelers lose a great legendary gm. They move a guy up in the building and maybe he's fine, but I don't like his first big years at gm. There's a quote here. Mike Sando, great writer of the Athletic, really trust him, quotes multiple people in the NFL. On the Steelers off season, one of them says, Aaron Rodgers, Pickens and dk. If that's not hard knocks, it better be. I can't think of a worse combination for this to play out. That is a lot of high maintenance people. Another one says, in what world do you look at DK and go, yeah, let's give him 30 million a year and trade for a number two. That struck me as you're in on Brandon I youk've been in all foes three of those guys. Maybe Tomlin can bring out the best in him. I could see elements of why they like it. Pairing him with Rogers seems really odd. That's what I said DK Metcalf is talented. Last year he accounted for 34 first downs. Amaran Saint Brown accounted for over double that and he gets penalized a lot. So Pickens is emotional, DK's emotional, Aaron's emotional. It's got a lot of combustibility here. It just does. And I don't love it. Apparently. Art Rooney II said on Aaron Rodgers, all signs are positive it's going to happen. So my guess is it'll be interesting. It'll feel like hard Knocks. But I mean we, we, we've said this before. Noise is your enemy in the NFL. Last year, real noisy front office with Joe Shane, Saquon Barkley and the Giants. How did it work out? For all the news the Eagles make, they don't make that much noise in the off season. They just get better. They don't make a lot of noise. So dk and I like dk, he's got talent, he's a different body. But Pickens is immature. DK wants the ball and Aaron can get moody and he's kind of a brooding personality and he's past his prime. So and I, and then you throw in this sort of small town defensive culture. I said this yesterday. It sounds Aaron to the Steelers sounds better than it is, right? Like it sounds bigger than, than it is. I don't know, I just think it's weird. So the other topic today we had Todd McShay talking about this and Albert Brewer yesterday issued our Sanders. There's multiple stories now this morning that Shadour Sanders is going to drop in the draft. And we saw Dan Marino dropped in a draft. We saw Aaron Rodgers drop in a draft. It happens. Because how many teams generally need a quarterback badly? Like about four to five a year and there's usually only two to three first round quarterback like Jalen Milroe. It's not a first round quarterback talent. But he's such a good kid and such a great athlete. I think he'll go late first round. I don't think Jalen Milroe is, he's a mechanical, he's inconsistent. He should not play as a rookie, but he may go first round because his intangibles are off the charts. Great kid, great family, unbelievable athlete. But here was Albert Beer a couple of weeks ago talking about Shador Sanders and the concerns with him.
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Joy Taylor
I think the issue with Shador and.
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Colin Cowherd
This is going to be a difficult thing for him to address over the next six or seven months or six or seven weeks is are you special in any one area? Do you have a superpower trait or are you an average athlete with an average arm in an NFL context? And I think that that's the way a lot of teams look at him. He's not a great athlete. He doesn't have a big arm. So like, where is the superpower that's going to make you want to take him in the top five? So one of the things that teams do in the NFL, they practice the draft, they have dry run throughs and they'll do two or three before the draft. And you know, they, they, what they do is, is they throw in wild cards. The GM sits everybody down and we've got wild cards. And I think what's fascinating, when you get an Aaron Rodgers that drops or a Lamar Jackson or somebody like that, all of a sudden you look up and go, like last year, remember the draft, it was all offense early and the Colts did not think they were going to get arguably the best pass rusher in the draft in the middle of the first round. But it was a weird draft that went all offense and you had these really good defensive players and all of a sudden the Colts are like, all right, well, we didn't think he was going to be available. And the Rams last year tried to move up for Brock Bowers. They really tried to move up and they were willing to give away a lot of picks and it didn't work out. But there are some things, you know that are going to happen in this draft, like Travis Hunter will be off the board, Abdul Carter, Cam Ward, some guys are going to be off the board. But if Shedeur drops, the one team I'm fascinated with is what if you're the Raiders? I mean, Chip Kelly looks at him, 74% completion percentage. Saw a lot of them in college, got a lot of snaps, super accurate. I mean, all of a sudden you look up and you're six or seven or eight or nine and you're like, I think it what happens if put up our top 10 again. So I mean, Tennessee's taking Cam Ward, the rest of these teams, if Cleveland doesn't take him. And Russell Wilson's going to be a better version of last year's Russell Wilson. I mean, Patriots aren't taking him, Jags aren't. I mean the Raiders are going to sign Gino to a three year deal. So. Whoa, whoa, whoa. The jets are not going to bring in a young guy to compete against Justin Fields.
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Joy Taylor
Why not?
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Colin Cowherd
Because you got to give Justin Fields one year of it is his team. You can't.
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Joy Taylor
I don't know that you have to do that, but perhaps Carol, Saints maybe. Saints maybe. So. So let's turn it back a little bit. So all these criticisms. I'm listening to Brear and McShay and all these guys. Shador doesn't run well. He's not fast. He's not mobile in the pocket. There's an easy way to dispute that. Go run your 40. Go run the three cone drill. Go do all that stuff. You're a good athlete. Shouldn't you do. Shouldn't Shador go out there and do that and prove to them that I can because I'm watching all these tape highlights. He looks fine in the pocket, doesn't he?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he moves.
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Joy Taylor
He doesn't look like he's plotting. He's not some.
- [51:19]
Colin Cowherd
Like, he's not Matt Ryan.
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Joy Taylor
Cement shoes in the pocket. Right. So something's going on here. This just feels weird. All season we watch Colorado Shador, oh, this guy's a top five pick. He's got. He's got a top five for sure. And now it's like, I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they have. People are saying he's not athletic. He moves fine.
- [51:40]
Joy Taylor
Let me see a vertical.
- [51:40]
Colin Cowherd
Go do a vertical.
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Joy Taylor
Now. Is that not enough for your.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what he moves like. He moves like Joe Burrow. He moves fine.
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Joy Taylor
You know, Joe Burrow's really good in the pot.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. But you. I think like Tony Romo and Joe Burrow, like, they move better than average, but they're not great. I think Shador is not Matt Ryan or Jared Goff or Brady. I think he's closer to Joe Burrow. And Joe Burrow moves more than.
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Joy Taylor
Well, my thing is, like, is he more athletic than Brock Purdy?
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Colin Cowherd
I think they're about the same.
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Joy Taylor
Okay, so the only problem is Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft. Tony Romo was an undrafted free agent.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [52:13]
Joy Taylor
You're not talking Shador top three. I don't.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Tony Romo is more talented than Shador as a quarterback. I think. Oh, I thought, wait a minute. Coming out of college, Tony. Well, I didn't see him in college, but when I watched Tony Romo play with the Cowboys, I'm like, his career.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, he's a. Tony was very athletic.
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Joy Taylor
Overachieved. Big time.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. But I think by the time he got to the NFL, the Cowboys didn't have great O lines with him. Dak got all the great O lines.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Tony got beat up for years because they had bad O lines.
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Joy Taylor
That's a hot Take Tony.
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Colin Cowherd
Tony was very good. That was A, he's a B, NFL quarterback.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country, and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
What's up, everyone? Julius Rippinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Nate Thompson
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
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Nate Thompson
Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to Energy line with Nate JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joy Taylor
Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's advice from Google CMO Lorraine Tuhill on how to treat AI like a partner.
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H
I see AI as an incredible co pilot.
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Joy Taylor
You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but AI is just the latest flavor of that.
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H
You're still the judge of what good looks like.
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Joy Taylor
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief, on my podcast this is Working Leaders Share strategies for success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chris Broussard
You have to be very careful with tradition because sometimes tradition is just dead people's baggage.
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I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talk with comedian Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in Major league base baseball.
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Chris Broussard
Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million Dollar Smile. But you also need Chaos Negro.
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Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.