Hour 2 - Shedeur Sanders

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2: Shedeur Sanders
Release Date: June 20, 2025
Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Overview

In the second hour of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," hosts Colin Cowherd, Chris Broussard, and J. Mac engage in a dynamic discussion covering a wide array of sports topics. From in-depth analyses of the NBA Finals and draft prospects to critical examinations of NFL quarterback Dak Prescott's future with the Dallas Cowboys, the conversation is both comprehensive and engaging. This summary captures the key points, insightful debates, and memorable quotes from the episode, providing a clear understanding for those who haven't tuned in.

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1. NBA Finals Analysis

Pascal Siakam's Performance
The hosts delve into Indiana's performance in the NBA Finals, highlighting Pascal Siakam's consistency and leadership.

• Chris Broussard (04:10)
  “Pascal Siakam will play really, really well. He's a dog, man. He's a really good player.”

• Colin Cowherd (33:42)
  “Pascal Siakam is the Finals MVP. If Indiana were to win, T.J. McConnell's in the running.”

Coaching Strategies
Rick Carlisle's coaching is praised for effective ball movement and utilization of the bench, contrasting with Oklahoma City's defensive approaches.

• Chris Broussard (04:22)
  “Rick Carlile's coaching. He's good... their ball movement, the use of their bench, all the levers.”

Team Dynamics and Star Power
The discussion touches on the depth and star power of the teams, emphasizing Indiana's lack of a singular superstar but strong team cohesion.

• Colin Cowherd (33:42)
  “They have to win more championships. Great teams had superstars—this team doesn't fit that mold.”

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2. NBA Draft Prospects

Cooper Flag vs. Jason Tatum
A heated debate ensues over the potential of Cooper Flag surpassing Jason Tatum as a top NBA prospect.

• Chris Broussard (07:12)
  “I am very comfortable saying he's going to be a better player than Jason Tatum eventually.”

• J. Mac (13:24)
  “He's a really special prospect. I think he's going to be spectacular.”

Potential Busts and Future Stars
The hosts speculate on possible draft busts and future All-Star talents, with particular focus on Cooper Flag's versatility and skill set.

• Chris Broussard (10:28)
  “Think about this kid, if he didn't reclassify... he's an all-time prospect.”

• J. Mac (15:25)
  “There’s one player in this draft that’s going to be a bust... I know who it is.”

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3. NFL Draft and Dak Prescott

Dak Prescott's Future with the Cowboys
The conversation shifts to Dak Prescott, debating whether this season could be his last with the Dallas Cowboys amidst performance and contractual concerns.

• J. Mac (20:45)
  “Cam Newton believes this season could be Dak's last in Dallas.”

• Chris Broussard (22:52)
  “Don't blame Dak for Dallas's issues. Blame Jerry Jumpers for giving him the contract.”

Trade Speculations and Contract Implications
Discussions highlight the complexities of trading Dak Prescott, considering his hefty dead cap hit and the team's dependency on his performance.

• J. Mac (22:30)
  “His dead cap hit would be $129 million. It's not happening.”

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4. LaMelo Ball and NBA Player Analysis

Assessing LaMelo Ball's Impact
The hosts critically analyze LaMelo Ball's role and effectiveness as a franchise player, contrasting him with other NBA stars.

• Chris Broussard (27:07)
  “He’s fun but he's not to me. What’s his three-point shooting percentage? 36%.”

• Colin Cowherd (38:30)
  “Pascal Siakam didn't even start playing until he was 17. Halliburton is just a star.”

Comparisons to Other Players
Comparisons are made between LaMelo Ball and other notable players, questioning his long-term viability as a cornerstone for team success.

• J. Mac (28:06)
  “He shot 36% and shot more threes than Steph Curry. No self-awareness, not a winning player.”

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5. Lakers Ownership Changes

Sale of the Los Angeles Lakers
A significant portion is dedicated to the recent sale of the Lakers, discussing the implications of the new ownership group led by Mark Walter.

• Chris Broussard (38:30)
  “They signed a massive deal. Think about what Mark Walter did with the Dodgers—now the Lakers are poised for similar success.”

• Colin Cowherd (39:01)
  “With Mark Walter, they've gone to four World Series... imagine what he’ll do with the Lakers.”

Future Prospects under New Ownership
Optimism surrounds the Lakers' future, projecting increased spending and championship aspirations similar to the Dodgers' turnaround.

• Chris Broussard (39:01)
  “They’re going to do everything they can to start winning a bunch of championships.”

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6. Additional Topics

Kevin Durant's Market Challenges
The hosts explore why Kevin Durant isn't attracting bigger markets, citing his priorities and injury history.

• Chris Broussard (40:34)
  “I love him, but he doesn’t prioritize winning as much, which turns off serious front offices.”

• Colin Cowherd (41:36)
  “He hasn't impacted winning for several years... his market is down.”

Ownership Trends Across Sports
A broader discussion on sports team ownership trends highlights the shift towards larger, wealthier ownership groups and its impact on team management.

• Chris Broussard (48:11)
  “The Lakers and Celtics sales signal a trend towards larger, more aggressive ownership.”

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Conclusion

Hour 2 of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" offers a thorough exploration of current sports narratives, blending expert analysis with passionate debate. From dissecting the strategies behind the NBA Finals to forecasting the trajectories of emerging talents in the draft, the hosts provide valuable insights for sports enthusiasts. Additionally, discussions on NFL dynamics and ownership changes in major sports franchises underscore the multifaceted nature of contemporary sports discourse. This episode serves as an informative and engaging listen, encapsulating the essence of top sports stories with clarity and depth.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Chris Broussard (04:10):
  “Pascal Siakam will play really, really well. He's a dog, man. He's a really good player.”

• J. Mac (13:24):
  “He's a really special prospect. I think he's going to be spectacular.”

• J. Mac (22:30):
  “His dead cap hit would be $129 million. It's not happening.”

• Chris Broussard (27:07):
  “He’s fun but he's not to me. What’s his three-point shooting percentage? 36%.”

• Colin Cowherd (39:01):
  “With Mark Walter, they've gone to four World Series... imagine what he’ll do with the Lakers.”

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from Hour 2 of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," providing a clear and engaging overview of the episode's content.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Chris Broussard]

Welcome in. It is hour two and it is a Friday. J. Mac, how lucky are we? I gotta take everybody behind the curtain a little bit here. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but a couple years ago I felt Baseball felt before they brought in the pitch clock and the defensive shift, I felt baseball was really stagnant. Had about a 15 year stagnant run and I didn't talk about it a lot and Caitlin Clark hadn't arrived yet in the WNBA and I felt the show was almost too much football. It was like 70% football. And I've never wanted to work at the NFL Network. They do a great job. But I like talking about college football. I like, I like having a lot of different topics and the fact that the WNBA Caitlin Clark is a regular segment and we monitor the segments. You don't turn away. And the fact that baseball, Dodgers, Padres rivalry four times this week we talked about it is a gift. I feel very, very lucky is that, you know, I love football and if I was a sports talk show host in, in the UK I would talk Premier League 75% of the time. I understand how popular the NFL is but in the off season for six months, I love the variants. I love having all these topics. So this, this has been a really, really fun week for me and I hope, I think J. Mac feels the same way. I got United States men's national team, I got Caitlin Clark, I got insane Dodger Padre series guys getting plunked. This has been one of my favorite weeks in a long time because we just had so many different things to talk about. And I, I know you think Colin, you talk about NFL. Well, you watch a lot of NFL. That's why I talk a lot of NFL. But this has been a fun week.

[J. Mac]

Yeah. And next week we get the NBA draft and the Cooper flag stuff. There's a big time player sliding in the draft. We're expecting Kevin Durant trade. Like it doesn't stop here just because of this week's over.

[Chris Broussard]

Okay, so there are, we go to a game seven, what do we know we're going to get? Not much. I mean I, I gotta be honest, I did not think OKC was going to get house last night. With hal Burton at 60% Here are the five things that I predict will get in order of assuredness. Number one, OKC's defense will be really good. It's holding opponents to 32% from three point range at home. They have the best defensive rating. They got a lot of fresh legs and bodies. They are a different team, energy wise at home. OKC will play very good defense. Doesn't mean they'll win, but their defense won't look anything like last night. The second thing, Rick Carlile's coaching. He's good I mean, the ball movement with him, which, which he preaches. They have 705 more passes than OKC in the finals. Their ball movement, the use of their bench, all the levers. Oldest coach in NBA Finals history, Rick Carlile, will bring his A game. Number three, sga, getting eight plus free throw attempts. He gets more at home and they're good when he gets them. So he is leading the finals at 9.7 free throws a game. And on the road, he's a little more meek at home. He gets them eight of the 12 home games this season. In the playoffs, he's got Nate plus free throws. So that's number three, I think. I think he'll get that. Number four. A guy I really like and have for years. Pascal Siakam will play really, really well. He's a dog, man. He's a really good player. 15 plus points in 15 straight playoff games. He's the only Pacer that's giving you 10 plus points in every game. And he's a big game player. He's a really good player. So I think Pascal Siakam is going to play well. And I do think number five, Oklahoma City's bench will show up. It doesn't mean it'll be better than Indiana's, but it'll show up.

[Colin Cowherd]

So.

[Chris Broussard]

So, you know, they're. They're 9 and 2 this postseason when their bench shoots like 45% from the field. And young players who are not star players, young bench players, Indiana or OKC always play much better at home. So most of these feel like I'm very pro. Oklahoma City, but I think Indiana's got the better coach and I know Pascal Siakam is going to deliver. I also think you got a couple of days here for Halliburton to rest. The leg doesn't hurt. Little break there. Doesn't hurt. How many minutes he played last night? 23, 24 minutes. Rick Carlisle on game seven Sunday.

[Unknown]

One game. I mean, this is, this is what it's all about. I mean, this is, you know, this is what you dream about growing up. This kind of opportunity. It's a very difficult place to play. We know that. But you know, this, this is.

[Colin Cowherd]

The.

[Unknown]

Opportunity to play in a game like this is a great honor and a great privilege.

[Chris Broussard]

I don't know. 121, 117, OKC. I think I get him at home. I got to believe both teams are going to be a little tired. It's been a lot. It's a lot of travel. It's a lot of intensity. I Mean, you know, one of the things about basketball that's really. It's great. So in hockey, you got the glass. In baseball, outside of Fenway park, you're separated from fans. Football, you got helmets on. Basketball, the proximity of fans to athletes makes it such a good television product. I mean, the Indiana fans and I. And I really do believe this, especially with younger players. I was thinking about this last night when, say, Occam gets that dunk early and you're on the ground and you got Indiana fans above you. High five. And you. It absolutely has to change the body chemistry. I mean, it just has to like, fans matter so much in basketball, even more in college basketball because the players are younger. But when you watch Indiana's fan base and they are literally like fist bump close to players. Same with okc. I think it's awesome. I love when an NBA player makes a big basket and fives a fan. I. As long as the fan understands you don't open that gate. That is always a player's decision. If he comes to you, it's good. You don't go to him ever. But it's cool. And watching those Indiana fans last night, when hitting those shots and he's on the floor, he can hear you. You're four feet away. You're damn right he can hear you. And it matters. And it's great sports. It just plows through the television. Okay, now I know what you're going to say. Colin, how come you have to bring up Jason Tatum? Here we go. Cooper Flag's Mavericks workout. The word being thrown around is unreal. Better than expected. He's a complete beast. I am very comfortable saying he's going to be a better player than Jason Tatum eventually. And it won't take long. Why you got to bring up Jason T. They both went to Duke. That's his comp. That's why. So he's much better defender at this point than Tatum was at this age. Not close. And he's a much more aggressive player. And he had better stats everywhere than Tatum. And he's younger than Tatum. Points, rebounds, assists, free throw attempt, steals, block, it just better across the board. And those are just stats. Aura and Alpha Bruh. Not close. Think about this. This guy, if he didn't reclassify.

[Jason McIntyre]

He.

[Chris Broussard]

Would be walking on a high school stage to get his diploma right now. Like, this is the best domestic basketball product since Anthony Davis. I don't want to hear about John Morant and Zion. There were all sorts of things about Zion that concern people, like his torque and his injuries. This kid can really play. And there's some, you know, video stuff. They're not, we're not seeing a ton of it but he is an all time prospect, you know and I, and I was talking, I think I was talking off the air to Christine Brennan. I think it was off the air may have been on, but I think it was off. Is that sometimes like Caitlin Clark, nobody thought she would be this good. Even Gino Oriema, Yukon coach is like, come on, slow down. She's better than we thought. Everybody knew Tiger was special. We didn't think it was going to look like that. Where he was running away from the field at the US Open. LeBron James, nobody predicted he was going to surpass MJ in every statistical category. Bryce Harper is more what you expect. Bryce Harper was called the best baseball prospect ever. He was an eight time all star. I think he's been a MVP of a National League playoff series. He's eight National League MVP a couple times. Eight time all star. That's what you expect. So if I said to you Cooper Flag makes, makes seven, eight all star teams, that would be a really good career for a top prospect. I think he, I think we're looking at a guy that's better than that. That's my take because I watched him, he very, I can't tell you the last time I saw a college player that didn't have really a hole in his game. I don't see what the hole is. And he can shoot, he can defend, he can run. Again you cross your fingers on injuries but I mean again if he had a Bryce Harper career and I guess I'm right, two time NL MVP, eight time All Star. I think, I think Harper's got 344 home runs. I'm crossing my fingers I'm right. Is that, am I right? How about that? The staff took all these years. Finally respect me. So, so Bryce Harper is like what you would think an all time prospect. You'd be like. I was satisfied with that. Bryce Harper has lived up to it. Sometimes people go above and beyond. I think this kid has a chance to do that. I think he's really, really good. We'll see. For the record, is this more of the video? The video we got. He never missed a shot. So now I will tell you. J. Mac's going to have this. There is one player in this draft. This, this draft is going to have a bust. Every draft does. I, I think I know who the one guy is going to be a bust. I'm not going to say it. I'm going to let you. I'm going to let you have the story, but there's one player where things are not good.

[J. Mac]

Yeah. By the way, this Cooper Flag stuff, you remember. I forget who came on our show, but someone was like, oh, an NBA comp. Andre Kirilenko. Do you remember? I might have been Paul Pierce, bro. Andre Kirolenko, I think made like an All Star game, Never all NBA. That's a borderline disrespectful.

[Chris Broussard]

Andre Karolenko, if I'm just thinking it wasn't. I think Cooper flag, much better, much early and much more aggressive and much more polished.

[J. Mac]

Dominant in college basketball. Dominant. He's gonna be. I'm all in on Cooper Flag. I think he's going to be spectacular.

[Chris Broussard]

I will tell you, fan. Now, honestly, I'll tell you this. People are saying it's a Carlos Boozer. Carlos Boozer compared Flag to Kirolenko. I. I don't.

[J. Mac]

Gross.

[Chris Broussard]

I will say this, though. The number two kid in the draft from Rutkers, the guard, the 66 guard. He. He's going to be a star too. That. No, no, no, no. He not just good. He's a kid. He is. He is a really special prospect.

[J. Mac]

Do you remember Ben Simmons went to lsu? He was supposed to change college basketball.

[Chris Broussard]

Yeah, I do.

[J. Mac]

Could not get them to the NCAA tournament and we killed him. Harper is on A team with eighth Bailey. Who's going to go top 10? They could not, as a duo get Rutgers to the NCAA tournament.

[Chris Broussard]

I know.

[J. Mac]

I'm not gonna crush them for that. Dylan Harper's a good player. Let's pump the brakes on him being some kind of massive superstar. Okay, let's just settle down.

[Chris Broussard]

Say superstar. I said All Star.

[J. Mac]

I mean, come on. All Star. Is that the barometer for a number two pick?

[Colin Cowherd]

You go number two.

[J. Mac]

I need more than All Star, Colin.

[Chris Broussard]

Well, what do you need?

[J. Mac]

I need all NBA. You're one of the best at your position in the league also, you understand.

[Chris Broussard]

There'S five guys on that all NBA first team. And basketball's not football. Guys play for 15 years. No, no, not a lot of guys.

[J. Mac]

That matters. You're top 15 in the league. All Star is like a popularity contest. It's like voting for president in your junior high school. Yeah. Who's the cutest girl? Let's just vote for her. She's going to give us a soda machine in the cafeteria. Like, that's what the All Star game is. Come on.

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[Chris Broussard]

Chris Broussard going to be joining us. You know J. Mac, every draft has busts and there are warning signs all the time. The draft. You love the draft. I have always been an NFL draft junkie. NBA draft. You know, there's always I always watch the first hour. You know, the first seven, eight, nine, ten picks. You're like, okay, it's interesting. Then it Wall Waffles into the second round. I don't. I don't care much, but are you gonna. Are you gonna give that story on this that I think you're gonna do? Are you gonna do that?

[J. Mac]

I guess you'll have to find out.

[Chris Broussard]

Okay, J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Turn on the news.

[Eric Mangini]

This is the Herd line news.

[J. Mac]

Yes, yes, we're doing it.

[Chris Broussard]

Sorry.

[J. Mac]

I'm just mentally getting ready for this first Dak Prescott topic. Colin, listen, Dak did not have a great year last year. He was hurt. He had the hamstring injury. He. Listen, he hasn't delivered in the playoffs. He's 2 and 5. Go check Lamar Jackson's record in the playoffs, by the way. And obviously there's pressure on Dak Prescott, but there's pressure on the entire Cowboys. So hot take artist. Cam Newton believes that this season could be Dak's last in Dallas.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Dak, it will behoove you. You can lose all the weight you want. You can be as healthy as could be. But my man, if you don't go to that NFC championship this year or even the super bowl, this is your career, bro. We done seen this happen far too many times. And there is a guy by the name of Archievius Manning that is waiting in a city coast to Dallas that can't wait.

[Chris Broussard]

I like Cam's podcast, actually. He's got a lot of personality. He's not wrong here. No, I'm serious. Philly wins the division, Washington second, and Dallas wins. And with this coaching staff, we know coaching matters in the NFL. They win six games. I think there's going to be a lot of people that look up and Dallas goes, remember next year's draft. There are already five quarterbacks viewed as first round guys. Five now. And we always have two that emerge. I think you have to draft a quarterback if this is an ugly season. And I think it's going to be.

[J. Mac]

Colin, I hate to bring facts to the table to you and Cam Newton, but do you know what happens if Dallas wants to move off of Dak Prescott after next. After the season?

[Chris Broussard]

What?

[J. Mac]

His dead cap hit would be $129 million. It's not happening. No chance. None. It's a silly. I mean, it's just uninformed. He's not going anywhere. Now the idea. Oh, well, maybe we'll trade him. Yeah, sure. Somebody's going to trade for Dak's contract. Like, listen, don't blame Dak for Dallas's issues. Blame Jerry Jumpers for giving him the contract.

[Chris Broussard]

Remember though, if Dak with Pickens and CD Lamb posts good offensive numbers. My guess. He will. He will. Yes. Somebody will come in and eat some of that contract.

[J. Mac]

I will. I will bet anything you want. I'll move to. I shouldn't. I'll stop short of that. I will bet anything you want that there's no chance Dak Prescott is traded. None. What was the last high profile quarterback you saw traded of Dax Lovell two years ago, by the way? He was runner up MVP Colin Stafford.

[Chris Broussard]

Matt Stafford was better.

[J. Mac]

Matt Staff a playoff game in Detroit. He was like. People were like, oh, he's watched. He's not good. He's not a winner.

[Chris Broussard]

Well, people informed Sean McVey thought he was great. Smart people.

[J. Mac]

Yeah. But this, this idea that Dak. It's his final season. Like you know how bad they would have to be for them to get arch Manning. Essentially, Dak would have to miss the entire season.

[Chris Broussard]

Oh, oh. You don't think if I, you know how I do a Super bowl bubble. If I had an arch Manning bubble? Six, seven. You know, I always put seven to eight teams in the super bowl bubble teams and that's what we. And then one or two of periphery. If you said there's an arch Manning bubble. Oh, I think Dallas is absolutely in it.

[J. Mac]

Okay, let's do it now. Let New Orleans Saints.

[Chris Broussard]

Okay, let's. I'm right down.

[Jason McIntyre]

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[J. Mac]

I'll go through the standings. This should be fun. So the New Orleans Saints are definitely.

[Chris Broussard]

Absolutely.

[J. Mac]

The New York Giants have one of the lowest win totals.

[Chris Broussard]

And New York in there too. Yeah.

[J. Mac]

Now the Tennessee Titans have a low win total, but they just drafted Ward.

[Chris Broussard]

They're not going to be there.

[J. Mac]

I doubt it. What? You want to put the Colts in there or no?

[Chris Broussard]

Yes. Colts. I'm sorry. I'm putting Dallas in there.

[J. Mac]

You think Dallas is that bad? Like bottom four in the nfc.

[Chris Broussard]

Dude, this coaching staff.

[J. Mac]

Carolina. Carolina. Add them to the list. I don't know, Colin.

[Chris Broussard]

When's the last time Dallas nailed the draft? How many years ago? They are thin. Yeah.

[J. Mac]

They don't have any talent. Again, that's not Dak's fault. That's the front office's fault. By the way, are the New England Patriots definitely going to be better than the Cowboys? Dude, they are going to be Cleveland Browns. Add them.

[Chris Broussard]

All right. Add Cleveland.

[J. Mac]

So how many is that?

[Colin Cowherd]

Six.

[Chris Broussard]

Hold on.

[Unknown]

Listen.

[J. Mac]

Those are some really rotten teams, Colin.

[Chris Broussard]

Seven. And we had seven rotten teams last year. Seven or eight.

[J. Mac]

Are the Bears going to have a better record than the Cowboys?

[Chris Broussard]

Yes. Yeah, they do they have like 11, 12, 13 really good players.

[J. Mac]

Okay. All right, let's move on to the Kansas City Chiefs. A lot of rumors in the offseason about whether Travis Kelce would retire. He decided to run it back. He supposedly slimmed down by 20 some odd pounds, but he's coming off a terrible year. Andy Reid was asked about the game plan for his aging tight end and whether that would impact his usage.

[Unknown]

Not really feeling that more be similar to last year, I would imagine, as it goes. So he's in great shape right now. So I think he's, you know, he's looking forward to getting going. I know he's getting older. He doesn't know he's getting older, but I do. So I can be the bad guy in some cases there. And if needed.

[Chris Broussard]

He's got a year left. He's got a year left.

[J. Mac]

Got a little, a little more backup tight end action to save Kelsey for the postseason. So he's now washed again.

[Chris Broussard]

Listen, he's already a hall of Famer. I have no, I have no problem resting him three to four weeks. None. I want him good. We want him good in January and I have no problem doing that.

[J. Mac]

Hey, give him a sabbatical at some point in the season. Let's go to the final story cons. The NBA. This is a story you love. You've been hyping. So. NBA draft. The Hornets have the fourth pick, according to a report, an anonymous prospect, unfortunately we don't have his name. Refused to work out for them. The Hornets because LaMelo Ball is on the roster and this prospect did not want to play with no LaMelo ball. Now one of my hottest takes like three months ago was if I had the number one pick and I would, I would trade LaMelo ball because I wouldn't want Cooper flag alongside LaMelo.

[Chris Broussard]

Yeah, LaMelo's like not. He's not a winning player. He's a flashy player. He's not a winning player.

[J. Mac]

But this is a problem. Colin. He puts. But oh my gosh, look at those stats on the. Oh, that's not good.

[Chris Broussard]

He puts butts in the seats. Who cares? Win games. I, I don't. He merch.

[J. Mac]

The kids love him.

[Chris Broussard]

Oh, great.

[J. Mac]

I, I'm personally out on LaMelo. I don't know what he becomes. But it's interesting that like a prospect, a 19, 20 year old says, I don't want to play with that guy.

[Chris Broussard]

I'm not working out because some 19 year olds are grown ups and he's not a winning player. I wouldn't want to play with him either. And I think he's fun. He's better than I thought he would be. He's fun but he's not to me, you know it it all, it all. What's it just look it up real quick. What's his three point shooting percentage?

[J. Mac]

Off the top of my head like 33. But he's just an unserious basketball player.

[Chris Broussard]

That's right. He's an unserious player.

[J. Mac]

That's the best way to put it. Like you look at this finals and Tyrese Halliburton and sga these guys are locked in. Lamelo's just kind of he's going through the motions.

[Chris Broussard]

He shot 36% and shot more threes than Steph Curry. No self awareness, not a winning player. No thanks.

[J. Mac]

Yeah that, that's bad. If he's your franchise player, you're building around him and players a player doesn't.

[Chris Broussard]

Want to work out. Well, a good organization would not build around. Celtics are building around. I think when you're, I think certain franchises are about putting butts in the seats. I really do. I, I don't think they're, I mean like I, I think a lot of these owners, these are toys. They're billionaires. They want butts in the seats. They don't really love the sport. Most do. Most care. Some like Matt HB care too much. But I, I, I don't think a serious basketball operation. It is true by the way. I'm not anti Lamelo is fun. I think he's a in regular season game if they're playing and I'm sitting there watching NBA TV and they're on, I'll sit around for 10 minutes. He's a fun plays entertain, you know. Remember Jason Williams? Remember that kid from West Virginia, Randy Moss's buddy? He wasn't a serious basketball player but he's fun.

[J. Mac]

He was good.

[Chris Broussard]

I love what a lot of turnovers, too much flash. But again fun. I can respect that. Lamelo's obviously is a very very I mean he made the NBA. He's the best of the ball brothers. He deserves that respect. He's a pro athlete. He's put a lot of time in the gym but I certain guys are just not serious winning players. Agree J. Mac with the news.

[Eric Mangini]

Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line.

[Chris Broussard]

So the J. Mac and I last hour. Eric Mangini stops by. J. Mac's going to have that story last hour. Nobody wants to root for a bust but sometimes you can see the signs of an NBA player that's a bust. Also I didn't know this is this Lamelo ball. It's missed 141 games in the last three years. So both Lonzo and Lamelo struggle to stay healthy. That's a big part of it. Like there years ago an NBA general manager of some renown said, you know, we were just at an event and talking and he said it's not about getting a star, it's about getting the right star. And he was talking about Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan doesn't, it's not about Flash. He's a great practice player. He's coachable like he's the right star. I don't even need to name the names of guys who are stars. And NBA has a very young fan base and young players or young fans are turned on by Flash and, and that's fine. I, I, maybe I was when I was 20 but, but the NBA teams like Sam Presti and Brad Stevens, Pat Riley, these are really RC Buford, these are grown ups. These are really smart people. And it's not just about, you know, the guy that's cool. It's about the guy that does makes winning plays. If you're shooting 35, 36% from threes and you're shooting 11 a game, you don't have the self awareness to be a, to be a franchise player. Chris Brusard is now joining us. Cover the NBA since the mid-90s. Co host first things first. Yeah, I was saying game sevens are crazy. The, the one or two things I know I'm going to get, OKC's defense will show up. Rick Carlile's coaching will be great. I'm not, I'm not sure I trust anything else. Pascal Seokam usually gives you a pretty consistent game. I mean let's start with this. Were you surprised that Halliburton played and he was that good last night? Because he was pretty good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I wasn't surprised that he played. I fully expected that. But he, he did not look injured and I know he was. There's no way they'll lie about an injury like that. But I think it was smart of the Pacers to like make it a game time decision. I'm sure they knew. I don't know if they ever thought he wouldn't play, you know. But to leave it out there as a game time decision and put that question out there in the minds of okc. Colin, as good as Indiana was and they were great and they deserve all the credit for last night. I Also thought OKC contributed to that performance. Clearly, I mean, they're not that much worse than the Pacers or even on a bad night. And they look like a team that felt like the championship was in their pocket, like they had it that Indiana was going to fold and that Halliburton either wouldn't play or if he did play, he would be severely compromised and no good. And he was the exact opposite. He looked fine, he moved well. I actually think, Colin, the injury made him focus more because he was more aggressive than he's been for most of the playoffs. You know, like I think he, it made him zero in and say, okay, I really have no room for error tonight. And he ended up having one of his best games of the series.

[Chris Broussard]

You know, I said this because they won by an average of 12.9 points a game because they had the 4 4th most wins ever. There were these discussions, are we looking at a great team? And I fell for it with Denver. I totally fell for it. I'm like, they're going to be the Spurs. I think last night confirmed they're not a great team. Great teams aren't different on the road to that level. The great teams, Michael Jordan's Bulls could walk into your place, it didn't matter where or when. Even the Celtics, the Celtics are, you know, the Tatum Celtics, they're sometimes better on the road than at home. This team, the Variants home and away to me illustrates they're another very good team with a chance to win a championship. They're not great.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And I think that's just one of the many reasons they're not like an all time great team. The guys look at the numbers and the analytics and want to say they're all time great. No, they're the second youngest team ever to reach the finals. There's no way they're an all time great team just because they're that young. And we'll look back, Colin, they have to win more championships. Like when we talk about great teams, we're talking about teams that had runs. The only one off team that was like an all time Great was the 1983 Philly 76ers with Moses Malone and Dr. J. All the other great teams were dynasties. The Lakers in Showtime, Kobe, Shaq, the Jordan Bulls, the Golden State. So this is not an all time great team. And furthermore, Colin, and again, I'm rooting for the Pacers hard. I'm from Indianapolis, one of the many places I'm from. But this Pacers team is giving them all they want and they don't have one guy that you can pencil in for 25 a night. They don't have one guy. Their most reliable score is Pascal Siakam. Can you imagine if they had a Kevin Durant, if that's the type of team that OKC was facing? And that Denver team took them seven, gave them all they wanted with two of their best four players. Aaron Gordon, MPJ Michael Porter Jr. Severely compromised by injury. So I think the Denver team in 2023 was better than this OKC team. So yeah, look, I'll salute them if they win the championship. But let's stop it with the all time great team.

[Chris Broussard]

Yeah, I mean these teams live on their depth. They're both depth teams. The great teams of all time. We didn't talk about, we didn't care much about Shaq and Gobi's depth. We didn't care much about that. When depth is your go to thing, I, you know, I think you're a very good team. Let me say this though. I said and then we'll, then we'll get to a couple other things. Lakers and maybe Caitlin Clark. That if Indiana wins, it will be the strangest team ever think about this. Strangest championship team ever think about this 21st in cap spending, nobody averaging 20. OB Toppin started four games all year. He's their third leading score. TJ McConnell has become crucial and they have the oldest coach ever. If I wrote those on paper, that sounds like a 500 team in the East. If they win Sunday, is this the most unlikely, strangest championship team ever?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think that's fair. When you say unlikely, I mean four seed. There haven't been many teams, only a couple. You know, Elijah on and the Rockets. Only a few teams that were lower than third seeds have won championships. So that in and of itself makes them unusual. Halliburton, you know, he's in Nick Wright's club. Superstar, I'm fine with that. But let's keep it real. He's a star. He, I think he will eventually become a superstar, but he's just a star and the only. We always think back the 1979 Seattle SuperSonics, the 2004 Detroit Pistons were the only teams to win championships without being kind of star laden or at least led by this super all time great superstar. This team would be in that group, but even Detroit in 04. Chauncey Billups was a blue chip high school and college player. Right? He just was a disappointment. His first beginning of his NBA career. But he was a blue chip talent. Rasheed Wallace at North Carolina was a blue chip talent. You know, like they had guys that were. Everyone knew for years, even before the NBA were great talents. This team really, I mean, Pascal Siakam didn't even start playing until he was 17. And Halliburton, you know, nobody really thought he was going to be like a superstar player. And you mentioned it. T.J. mcConnell. Colin, right now, Pascal Siakam is the Finals MVP. If Indiana were to win, T.J. mcConnell's in the running. I mean, I'm, I'm serious. He's in the running. He might get a vote depending on what happens in game seven. So this is an unusual team and it signifies a change in the NBA. Yeah, because it's, it's a, it's a team. It is not one, two or even three superstars. It is a true team and some will love it, some will hate it, but It's a different NBA at least this year.

[Chris Broussard]

Yeah, okay, Lakers sell for 10 billion. I think some of that is the new television deal. And the Mark Walters group said, listen, we got guaranteed $300 million checks, annual or whatever it's going to be. You know, this because of your sourcing in the NBA, and I've been on this for years, is they were really becoming closer to the Cincinnati Bengals than they were the New York Yankees. Like they were mom and popping it like, there's their stories this morning when the Lakers sold. What were your sources saying about the new group?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, look, everybody loves the new group and that now you're right, you hit on the head, the Lakers. It was a bit surprising as you start covering the NBA to see this great franchise, the glamour franchise of the league, one of the best franchises in American sports history, was really run like a mom and pop operation. It really was. It is not run anywhere near the way the New York Knicks and they end up being much better than the Knicks, but they're run like a mom and pop operation. And now when you bring in Mark Walter and you just look, Colin, at what he's done with the Dodgers. The Dodgers had not reached the world series in 24 years when he took over. He takes over and they get great in short order because he was willing to spend money even before the Freddie Freemans and Mookie Betts and Shohei Ohtanis. They were spending money with this new group to go get Andre Ether and other big names, you know. So he came in and they've gone to four World Series, one two made the playoffs every year he's been there. So now imagine The Lakers with the weather, with the prestige of the franchise now being willing to spend money as much if not more than anyone else in the league. This is great for Luka Doncic, it's great for Lakers fans and they're going to do everything they can to start winning a bunch of championships. And when you look at what he's done with the Dodgers, it's hard to say he won't get a few.

[Chris Broussard]

Yeah, and something to remember with the Lakers, it is a winter league and outside of Miami, Steve Ballmer has talked about this. When he spent that money, he said am never selling it. But he goes outside of Miami, L A is the first or second choice where players, free agent stars want to play. That's never going to change. So the Lakers brand is underachieved for about 10 years and now I think that will change. Hey, I gotta throw this at you. I'm a big Kevin Durant fan, but I said I don't understand the lack of interest. Only two guys in the league averaged 25 a game and shot 40% from three. I love him. He's not asking for a max contract. He's not going to get a five year deal. I think his messaging sometimes is that he doesn't prioritize winning. He prioritizes having fun and hooping. And I think that turns off some really serious front offices. That's the only thing I can come up with why there isn't a bigger market. You tell me, why isn't there?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think that's a great point and we've seen it now. Now Brooklyn, I don't really put that on KD because if they had had health, whether it was him or James Harden or Kyrie, then I think that threesome may have been able to win a championship. And then of course Kyrie with the vaccination, so that was beyond his control. But he picks Phoenix. Remember he wanted to go to Phoenix. Phoenix was just a couple of years away from almost winning the championship. They still had Devin Booker and now look at them. And, and then when he has Miami on his list of preferred destinations, why, if he goes to Miami, if I'm Phoenix, I want Bam Adebayo or Tyler Hero. Even if they could keep those two and get him, they're not, I don't think they're a championship contending team with Kevin Durant. So he could be in Phoenix east if he goes Miami. So I think people are looking at that like what does he really want? Like you said, he just wants the hoop. He wants to have fun Whatever. Houston obviously can make the best deal for him. He would fit in perfectly. They would absolutely be a contender. But Colin, if I'm the Rockets, I'm sorry, I'm holding out. I'm waiting and holding my assets to try to get Giannis Antetokounmpo. Giannis wants to give Milwaukee a chance, but that could change by the trade deadline because they have no way to get better. They really don't. Dame Lillard is out. They don't have many control of their draft picks for several years. So I think Giannis will eventually be on the market. If I'm Houston, I'm waiting for him. I think Minnesota is the place to go as far as the market colony start. About to be 37 years old and he also wants probably a two year extension that's going to be over $100 million. That's what teams I think are looking at combined with. He hasn't really impacted winning for several years now and he's only played 65 or more games once in the last five seasons. So those are all things that have brought Kevin Durant's market down.

[Chris Broussard]

Chris Broussard Brew it's great seeing you on a Friday. Crush it today on First Things First. Thanks, buddy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Thanks, Colin. See it?

[Chris Broussard]

Yeah, yeah. He doesn't play the full schedule. I tend to give older players a little bit of a pass on that stuff. Are they going to be available when I need them? So yeah. All right. Lottos to Eric Mangini, lives in Cleveland. Thoughts on Shadour. I swear the Shedeur topics are ending soon. It's the Herd.

[Eric Mangini]

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[Chris Broussard]

You know, it's, it's interesting right now. If you look, I was watching a Steve Ballmer clip yesterday, the Clippers owner and you know, people have talked about this, this Lakers sale and this Celtic sales. I mean, think about this. We just had Lakers and Celtics sell within a pretty short time span. And you know, and Mark Cuban left. So I mean that you had the biggest brand, the Lakers, one of the more famous owners, Mark Cuban. You have Boston, a huge branch like that. That would be like the Philadelphia Eagles, the Dallas Cowboys and The San Francisco 49ers, you know, selling in a short period. So what, what does it signal is the league in trouble? Well, they signed a massive, massive deal. I don't think the TV ratings have been great and this sort of move pivot, new cba, the second, third aprons. You just can't stack rosters. So you're going to have a lot of teams that will be good, even champions that'll be very good. Not great. But it is interesting that you would have like the three, two biggest brands. And now some of this is also a reality of what's happened. The Lakers and the Cowboys, in my opinion, Dallas will never sell that team with Jerry. But they do feel like a mom and pop operation. The Bengals feel mom and pop. The Lakers felt mom and pop. Some of it is the world wealth. There is just a lot of billionaires beyond the ownership of their team. So if you're the Brown family in Cincinnati or the Jones family and Jerry's got a pretty vibrant, dynamic portfolio. But some of this is just like the league getting too big and rich and some guys, some people can't afford to be at the poker table any longer. But I don't know if it's a signal about the NBA. Steve Ballmer is a really smart guy and Ballmer's all in, built it. I mean, he way doubled down. He went all in the Inuit dome, you know, cash flow on an annual basis. I doubt the Clippers make any money. The knock on the NBA is it doesn't cash Flow. Well, there's a lot of teams that lose money on an annual basis, but when the valuations are skyrocketing because of the new TV deal, you're going to make your money, but it better not be the only place you make money. And that was the first problem with a Buss family. This is where they make money. Or the Brown family, the Bengals, that's where they make money. You know, and all of this, to me, as I think about it, I think, well, wait a minute. The Green Bay packers don't even have an owner and they're one of the best organizations in football. So, you know, if you're well run, market size doesn't matter that much. But there's a, there's a, there's a new world. I mean, the Steinbrenner kids are not. George, in terms of aggressiveness. I mean, the Yankees now, even though they have a big annual payroll, they don't feel quite as aggressive, as global, as well funded as the Dodgers do. That said, the Mets and the Yankees are two of the top three or four payrolls on an annual basis. So I don't, I don't, I don't know. I mean, Mark Davis of the Raiders, he had to go get a bunch of other owners, including Tom Brady. He needed cash flow. And that was the reality. Denver, the Broncos, I think, have the richest owner in the sport. So there's, that's why they can go and just write a check. 18 million a year for Sean Payton. So it's just, it's. I don't know if it signals anything about the NBA. I just think it's just a bigger, broader business and the mom and pop shops. I think the Buss family made a great decision. I think, I think it's good for the Laker fans. Hour three, Final hour of the week. Right around the corner. It's the herd.

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