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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday. Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Fame coach was something to talk about in five minutes. I'm excited for that. I'm excited for it. Well, I'm not going to get into details. I'll just say it will not be the typical Jimmy Johnson stop by who has taught me more football than even more than J. Mac. And that's hard to believe. Jimmy Johnson has taught me a lot about football. Paul Pierce stopping by. So every Monday. You right? Wrong. This is a fun time of the year, by the way. We're getting into NFL free agency. Debo Samuel, one of the first moves. It's going to be very busy next three week. Plus, you love March Madness. I watched some college basketball this weekend to keep up with, you know, the guru over here, the Sven Golly for college hoops.
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Joy Taylor
I did go 8 and 2 on on Sunday. Posted the best.
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Colin Cowherd
I've never met anybody like you.
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Joy Taylor
One and three Sunday. Not great, but all right.
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Colin Cowherd
We do it every Monday at this time. It's called Colin, right? Colin Wrong. Here we go. Where Colin was right. Debo to Washington. Both J. Mack and I thought this was an OB one. He's a great chess piece. He's not your classic wide receiver, but for the right kind of play, designer Cliff Kingsbury, I think it makes a ton of sense. He's only had 1,000 yard receiver, but I think, you know, I think Belichick in New England did this for years. When they find chess pieces. Andy Reid does a good job with this. I like Deebo. I think it was time to move on and I think Washington's the perfect fit and we predicted it. Where Colin was right. We said Matt Stafford we thought would stay with the Rams, but the Raiders were making a real push. It's been announced yesterday the Raiders offered and this was our guess, 100 million, 50 million guaranteed. Two years. I thought the Raiders would go to a third year to get him. They didn't and therefore he stayed with the Rams. I was told the Rams wanted him. They feel they're too close to A Super bowl and another trophy to move off him. Matt didn't make a lot of money last year relative to other star quarterbacks. He wanted a better deal. He'll get it. Where Colin was raw. I thought Travis Kelce would retire. I thought it was time. I thought he looked tired in the super bowl and he only had three playoff games. One touchdown catch. He still blocks. He's still tough. He's still great on third down. He's got a year left and let's be honest about this. You'd rather have Travis Kelce on your team than not. He tends to be a very good big game player. But I had predicted, I thought this was with Taylor Swift, his life, his podcast. It was a perfect time. He's had almost 10 surgeries, but he's coming back at least for one more year. Where Colin was right. I love Kevin Durant, but story this weekend he's going to get traded by Phoenix and he has been reduced to a guy that scores 27 a night on bad teams. And I think he's really valuable. I still think he's got two or three huge years left. I wish he would have considered the Warriors. He wasn't comfortable with that. Can't blame him, I guess. But you know, five years ago we were talking about is he better than LeBron? And maybe he doesn't care but I feel like his legacy, I hope it remains all time top 10 stuff because he's one of the best basketball players I've ever seen. Where Colin was right, I didn't like Aaron Rodgers using his leverage to bring in Nathaniel Hackett and Alan Lazard and Devonte Adams. And story this morning the jets are going to move off Devonte Adams, who I like a lot. But in the end I think GM should gm Coaches should coach, quarterback should quarterback. Listen, you know how hard it is to be a good GM and a good coach quarterback should do what they do and that's okay. Aaron's a smart guy, but I never thought it was going to work. I didn't think having your buddies on the team matters. Sometimes being a great quarterback is being uncomfortable. Not just comfortable where Colin was wrong. You know, I've been skeptical on Bill Belichick at college, but he has signed up for HBO Max. They do that hard Knock show which no coach likes. He would never do it in the NFL and it tells me that Bill is a little bit more committed to the college game. And by the way, a couple of Bill's friends are Jimmy Johnson and Urban Meyer. So I mean he's got guys leaning on him if he has to have questions about it. But I've always thought this was kind of a one and done. But I think him going to hard knock shows Bill's willing to get uncomfortable because he would have never done this in the NFL. And he's doing it now in college. Where Colin was right. Well, I predicted one of my five bold NBA predictions with Paul George and Joel Embiid would not even play 20 games together. And it's been announced that Joel Embiid shutting her down for the season so they will not play 20 games together. Listen, Embiid's an unbelievable talent, but bigs who get hurt early get hurt often. And this has been, we've got to be honest, been a disappointing career considering many were comping him to Shaq five years ago, where Colin was right. Ashton Genty, the running back from Boise State, announced this weekend. He said running backs are not only back, they're kind of integral to football. Yes. When the media a year ago said running backs are being treated unfairly, I said they're gonna get paid. Running backs are a quarterback's best friend, especially in December, January and February when it gets cold and windy. They get first downs, they block for you. It's easier to find them out of the backfield. Running backs will always matter in the NFL. They create physicality, especially if they can do multiple things, which Genti can do. Look at Saquon Barkley's value, Derrick Henry's value in Baltimore. I think there's been a wide receiver bubble in the NFL. I never think there's a running back bubble. I will take a star running back. Physical toughness can block a little, catch a little any day of the week. Colin, right? Colin Wrong. On a Monday. Well, Jimmie Johnson, I've said this before. There's been a handful of people in my life. When I used to do the weekend shows at Fox, I would hurry up and get the makeup on and then I would go into the break room and I would basically pester Jimmy Johnson for 30 minutes, asking about pulling guards and slot receivers. And Jimmy Johnson would patiently answer all my minutia and nonsense. And he is joining us now live, the hall of Famer, the two time super bowl champ. So I owe you a debt of gratitude as I ask you about roverbacks and nickel coverage and dial coverage. And you would smile at me impatiently as I sat there eating food and asking. And I just want to say thank you for that. Even in your off season, you're willing to come on the show. So thank You a genuine thank you from me, Jimmy.
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Jimmy Johnson
Well, thank you, Colin. As you know, probably the most fun I've ever had in my career, and that's counting Super Bowls and National Championships, was at Fox Sports. You know, I have an absolute ball with my friends on the set and the best friends I've ever had there with Fox. And then I tell you, on top of that, you know, I love working for Eric Shanks, our CEO, and our producer, Bill Richards. But I've made a extremely difficult decision. I've been thinking about it for the last four or five years, and I've decided to retire from Fox, and I'm going to miss it. I'm going to miss all the guys, and I'll see them occasionally. But it has been a great run.
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Colin Cowherd
Starting back 31 years ago, you know, it's being met. I got a call this weekend from Shanks, and this is something inside the building. We knew it was coming over the last couple years, and they've talked you into it. One of the ways you are viewed in the building is the way you were viewed as a football coach. You're kind of the general manager and the coach of the show. Otherwise, you know, Bradshaw, he'll never stop talking. And, you know, basically, you have to. You have to coach the guys on the set. But. And don't be humble for a second. I think you loved that, is that you viewed your. That's how we viewed you. You were the coach on the set behind the scenes. And if you could for a moment share that with the audience. Why you love that?
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Jimmy Johnson
Well, you know, I guess it goes back to all the years that I coached. And you look at the guys on the set, you know, not only are they best friends, but, you know, I watched Terry play in college when he was at Woodlawn High School and we recruited him for Louisiana Tech. I coached Howie Long in the Blue gray game. When he just left Villanova. I had Michael Strahan there in Dallas, and I was going to draft him. And he reminds me of it many, many times. It was a mistake. I was trying to get him cheap, and New York jumped in front of me, so I wasn't able to draft him. I actually had a scout in his home on draft day, and so we're all very, very close. And Kurt Menefee was. He was in Dallas when I was in Dallas. And so it was just natural for me to be somewhat of a coach. And Bill Richards, who, you know, I love to death, you know, he kiddingly calls me my. Calls me assistant producer Because I would have suggestions on what to do on maybe our on the field segment, et cetera. So I just kind of played the same role that I played for many, many years as a head football coach.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, Jimmy, there's a handful of people that have done it, none better than you. You were a dominant college coach. That's hard. Then you were a dominant NFL coach. I think that's harder. You are also Then you're a Hall of Famer broadcasting Hall of Famer. They're all hard. How are you able? College coaching and pro coaching is different now. It's a little more similar now than it was in your day. Was there ever a moment you're a Hall of Famer football broadcasting college. Do guys like you ever have self doubt? Was there ever a moment in Dallas that first year you thought, this is a. I've been asked to chew a lot. Not sure I bit off too much.
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Jimmy Johnson
Colin? Absolutely not. I can, I can tell you the story and Dave Wanstead and Tony Wise, they can verify this. When I was at Oklahoma State University, I went to a little restaurant and we were struggling. You know, I said, you know, guys, hang with me, we're gonna win a national championship. We were ancestor restaurant and we ended up winning a national championship at University of Miami because I took all of them with me. And we were going through that one in 15 year. We went to a little Mexican restaurant right there close to Valley Ranch and I told the guys, I said, listen, I said, we're making some moves now that are going to hurt us in the short term. We traded our starting quarterback, we cut the leading receiver because he couldn't play the caliber that we wanted. And, and we made some trades, obviously trading Herschel Walker, but we made 51 trades in five years. And I told the guys, I said, listen, I know it's a real struggle right now, but you hang with me because we're going to win a Super bowl and that's it. I mean, I might have sounded like a crazy man because we were going 1 in 15, but I said, we're making some moves now that are going to help us three years from now. And so you say, was there any doubt? No, there wasn't any doubt. And it wasn't that. We had a dream. And I said this at the hall of Fame induction, we didn't dream. We truly believed that we were going to get it done. I think if you believe that you're going to get it done, you work to make it happen. If you dream, you're hoping that it happens, but we work to make sure it happened.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I think more than ever coach and quarterback, and I've always said this, if you get the coach right and the quarterback right, everything else will work itself out. Every. You'll figure it out. I've said Sean Payton and Bo Nicks, that I got Sean, I got Bo Nix. I don't know what's going to happen if they win trophies, but they're going to be fine in Denver. They're going to be fine. But. But quarterbacks now make 70 million, 60 million. There's their social media, stars, shoe deals. You didn't deal with that, but I still contend that the Andy Reid's and the Peytons and the guys like you, you just make it work. I look at you and Troy, Troy gets emotional. When you got into the hall of Fame, I'm watching that, that makes me emotional. What was the relationship even then? Because Troy was getting banged up, he was getting criticized. Quarterbacks go 1 in 15. They don't, you know, Dallas media was not giving you guys a pass. How did your relationship get so tight? Or was it always like that?
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Jimmy Johnson
No, it wasn't always right. I actually tried to recruit Troy to Oklahoma State there in Henrietta, Oklahoma. I was in his home when he was a sophomore and junior and Troy was just here at the house two weeks ago. We had a strained relationship that first year because I drafted Steve Walsh with a supplemental pick and I knew Troy was our guy. But I wanted to take Steve Walsh because quarterbacks are so valuable. I knew that I would be able to trade him. I actually started trying to trade Steve Walsh a month or two after I drafted him. But I had to kind of walk a tight rope because I couldn't brag on Troy knowing that I was going to trade Steve Walsh. So I had to kind of brag on both of them. I kept saying we got two quarterbacks, but I knew exactly what I was going to do. And then I ended up trading Walsh for a one, two and a three. But that upset Troy that I didn't go all in on him that first year. But after the first year then, you know, I started making overtures to Troy to get our relationship better. And like I said, we're best friends now. He was just here two weeks ago. So yeah, again it was a strained relationship because of the way we were dealing with things. Plus we went one at 15. That'll strain any relationship. But it got better and now it's fantastic.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, Bill Belichick, I remember when he left New England I think he was grateful for Bob Kraft. But in the end, richer owners now, Jimmy, they're all billionaires. And the richer owners get. They'll just run. They'll 50 million to rounding air. They'll just blow out his staff. I have never seen more impulsive owners in my life. In the NFL, there used to be one crazy guy or two. Now it feels like half the league's owners think they're coaches. And when Belichick left, he acknowledged that you had relationships that may have been impulsive, but you turn it into championships. Do you think it's harder to coach today? I mean, there's a lot of ways it could be easier. But the owners, Jimmy, they're all billionaires. And that has a way of making owners think they know a lot more football than they do.
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Jimmy Johnson
Yeah, I think it's. It's more difficult with the owners. But what makes it a lot easier, if you got a great quarterback, if you got a great quarterback, that you can overcome a lot of things, but, you know, you're talking about billions of dollars. And, you know, Jerry and I, our relationship was fine for a while because he borrowed $140 million. He was trying to pay off that loan. So he spent all of his time trying to make money to pay off the loan. So he really didn't bother me. Now, once he got the loan paid off, after we won the first super bowl, he wanted to jump in the football business. But, yeah, I think the relationship with Bill and crap probably was a little there at the end. I told Bill, in fact, he came down here right after he left New England with his girlfriend, and I was talking to him and I said, you know, yeah, the nf, NFL stuff, but, you know, college football with the nil and the transfer portal, that's a headache. He said, yeah, but they were headaches in the pro football as well.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. When you ultimately made this decision, if you just joined us, Jimmie Johnson has announced his retirement from fox. You kept coming back, and we talked into it about four different times. That's the truth. And I. There are people in the hallway this morning that are a little melancholy about all this. How do you hope? I mean, you achieved everything. Three different hall of Fames. How do you hope you're viewed?
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Jimmy Johnson
How do I.
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Colin Cowherd
Obviously, you're successful. You're successful at three different hall of Fames. What matters if somebody. If I'd never met Jimmy Johnson, I walked up to somebody said, tell me about Jimmy Johnson. What? At a value level, what matters to Jimmy Johnson? Why? What? Your relationships, You Know, the guys that.
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Jimmy Johnson
Were here, like I said a couple of weeks ago, some of my former coaches and Troy and players, etc. Yeah, they were talking about it. I said, you know, the thing I try to do is I try to bring out the best in everybody. Everybody that I came into contact with, and I tried to have some interaction. The way you bring out the best in people is you have interaction with them, you communicate with them. The biggest problems I ever had with anybody is when I didn't communicate. And that's what happened to Jerry. And I own our relationship until it got fixed here later on is we stop communicating. And, you know, it. It never gets better if you don't talk about it. It never gets better if you don't interact. And, you know, not. Not necessarily, you know, pumping somebody up and praising them, but, you know, just acknowledging them, you know, and saying, hey, you need to pick it up a little bit. You know, maybe in a kidding way, but you need to have some interaction with individuals. But I tried to bring out the best in everybody that I came into contact with. I don't care what their role was. I don't care how important they were. I don't care if they were a Hall of Fame player or an intern on our set. I tried. I tried to bring out the best in everybody.
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Colin Cowherd
How are you going to watch football next year and not say. And not send Eric Shanks written notes on email about things he needs to tweak.
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Jimmy Johnson
Colin, I've got three TVs set up, and you know how much I love watching football. Terry Bradshaw, he told me that day before yesterday, he said, God, you're gonna be able to sit at home and watch all those college games without me, and you're gonna watch all those pro games without me. I said, yeah, but I'll be watching them with a cold beer.
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Colin Cowherd
Absolute pleasure. One of the best people I've and smartest people I've ever met in this business. And you've always treated not only people behind the scenes here, interns, producers, nobody sees, but I just want to put it out there, you treated me great, and I appreciate it.
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Jimmy Johnson
Coach Colin I loved every minute of it. And thank you. I appreciate it. And hey, thanks to Fox Sports. I mean, it was really the best time of my entire career. And you mentioned it. The hall of Fame, college hall of Fame, pro hall of Fame broadcasting. The best time of my career was with. With Fox Sports.
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Colin Cowherd
Great to see you, Jimmy. Thanks, man. The great Jimmy Johnson retiring at Fox. You know, I had all these football questions. I was going to ask him. Yeah, forget it. Doesn't matter. Let's talk about the stuff that matters for people that don't know behind the scenes, Jimmy was essentially, along with Bill Richards, that's been number one for, I think, 31 years in a row. The Fox show's been number one for 31 years in a row. Bill Richards is the producer. And it's a lot. It's a lot. There's a lot of live shows and it's, you do live television, you bounce around a city to city to city. It's a lot of work. It is hard. And on any given segment it can go sideways fast. And the guy on the set, that was the glue. Menifee, the host, obviously, and, and Jimmie Johnson. And with that, we take a break. Jimmy Johnson retiring from Fox Sports. It's the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Omaha Steaks delivers the world's best steak experience and it brings people together with more than 100 years of family owned expertise as America's original butcher. Omaha Steak's legendary filet mignons are extra aged to maximize tenderness and are tested to the highest standards to maintain the coveted distinction of USDA certified tender. And now during their semi annual sale, you can get 50% off site wide at Omaha steaks.com plus our listeners get an extra $30 off with the promo code herdherd at checkout. This weekend was a great time to bust open my Omaha Steaks assortment. Pack air. Chilled boneless chicken breasts, ribeye and steak burgers, gourmet jumbo franks. They're great butcher's cut top sirloins and for dessert, caramel apple tartlets. It doesn't get better than this. From legendary steaks to classic comfort food, bring home that exceptional handcrafted flavor and convenience of Omaha Steaks. Every steak perfectly aged. Five generations of uncompromising quality. Omaha Steaks has been America's original butcher since 1917. Don't miss the semiannual sale at Omaha Steaks. Visit OmahaSteaks.com for 50% off site wide. And for an extra $30 off, use the promo code herdherd at checkout. That's 50% off@omahasteaks.com and an extra $30 off with a promo code herd at checkout. It's the last game of the season and with Amex you can save time with card member entrances at select venues and go straight to the action so you can catch every moment. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Terms apply. Learn more@american express.com With Amex, you can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com Keep and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required. Cart has no cash access and expires in six months make some noise for.
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Joy Taylor
The greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Ghost Greatest.
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Colin Cowherd
Of Their Era and we ranked our.
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Joy Taylor
Top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Jimmy Johnson
Peja 5 Dirk Ford.
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Colin Cowherd
Peja is elite. Okay, I'm mad him I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Jimmy Johnson
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Joy Taylor
Yes, absolutely.
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Jimmy Johnson
Love it.
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Colin Cowherd
Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Jimmy Johnson
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open, like you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.
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Joy Taylor
Listen to Goat G O T e greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Welcome back. The great Jimmie Johnson, who had worked at Fox for a long time, part of 31 straight years, Fox being number one pre game show. And it's not necessarily close. Jimmy Johnson just announced his retirement on the previous segment and got emotional at the end. Probably. I'm surprised he held it together that long. He is so revered in the building and so we hope we can get him on a couple of times because I'm telling you, he's watching football. Jimmy's not giving up football. He just doesn't want to fly to LA and put all, you know, there's a lot of work. Believe me, it's a lot of work. But he'll be watching football. He would sit in a Saturday, he'd fly into town and he would sit all day Saturday and watch college football. And I mean all day. Nine in the morning to midnight. He was legendary for going on these incredible walks throughout Los Angeles. So if you were ever driving in Los Angeles and you saw Jimmie Johnson walking around, he'd go walk four miles down to get some lunch into his 70s. And that was really Jimmy Johnson. It was not an actor in Los Angeles playing Jimmy Johnson. It was actually Jimmy Johnson. And so we're gonna miss him greatly here, but he'll, he'll always be part of the family. At Fox. Here is J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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Joy Taylor
Let's go back to the NFL combine. Travis Hunter obviously is not working out, but he is interviewing with teams, talking to the media. Iced out with the really nice, expensive chains, obviously. But an interesting nugget came out from a report in the Athletic about saying, about Hunter saying the star has not made any positional demands. Hunter has told teams, hey, draft me, I'll do whatever is needed. Do you believe that?
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Colin Cowherd
Do you think that's. I think that that's the smarter tact, that that's what you should do. Yeah. Before you're an employee. Employee.
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Joy Taylor
Tell them what they want to hear. Hey, I'm willing to do anything you want me to. You want me to be a special teams gunner, I'll do that too, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I, it doesn't matter how talented you are to some degree. Those are job interviews at the combine. And I think what you don't want to do is make demands. And so especially if you're not even an employee yet, it's, it's all part of the game. You want to come across as hard working, focused, team player. So I think, I think he's been. Whether that's just his instincts or Deion Sanders whispering in his ear, I think that will help a lot. It's. It's not a great draft. And you can certainly argue he is easily the most dynamic athlete in the draft.
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Joy Taylor
Okay. I guess I would say everywhere he's gone since high school, probably since, you know, youth leagues, he's been the best player on the team and done whatever he wanted, receiver, defensive back, and he's been dominant. He's going to have to now go to a team and he's not going to walk in there, hey, I'm Travis Hunter. I'm doing whatever I want.
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Colin Cowherd
If he goes to New England, oh, that's okay. He would be the best athlete on that team.
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Joy Taylor
But Mike Vrabel, you think he's going to take a rookie coming in and saying, calling the shots?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, what I think he provides to New England is elite, dynamic athleticism and Speed and they don't have a lot of it. So I think, I think he's one of those kids that will go to an NFL team and he will be the best athlete day one on half the NFL teams. I think he's that good. And by the way, I think he can play both ways. But I think you have to make. You have to at some point make a choice. And my take is wide receiver is where coaches will want him to play and if he can, you know, work himself into some DB work. But remember DBs, they have to, they tackle running backs and they tackle tight ends. And you know, I wouldn't worry if he went to New England and became their best wide receiver. I wouldn't want him playing db because they already have Gonzalez from Oregon. They have a number one db.
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Joy Taylor
You could be situationally. He could be like, that's right. Late in the game, nursing a lead. We want you in on this series. We need it. We need to stop Travis, get in there, make a play as our die in our dime coverage package.
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Jimmy Johnson
Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
Can you do it? And I think he probably will come up and make the play. He's talented, obviously. Next up, Colin is. The commanders talked earlier about getting a heist grabbing Deebo Samuel for just a fifth round pick when Dallas spent a fourth on Mingo.
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Colin Cowherd
What a joke.
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Joy Taylor
However, interestingly, Washington's not done. I don't know if you saw this, but their tight end Zach Ertz is a free agent. There's been some chatter about retiring. Caught 11 passes against the Eagles in that playoff loss. Led them by a mile. Also, four of their top six receivers. Not scary, Terry. The other guys are pending free agents. Yeah, I don't. I think Deebo is the first step here. I don't think they get involved in T. Higgins, but you go down that wide receiver list and I. Their defense obviously needs some work.
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Colin Cowherd
Well.
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Joy Taylor
But keep an eye on this team. Loading up on.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, what is remarkable about Washington is how far they went with how average that roster is. Their O line needs help. Their. Their back end secondary needs help. To me, they may have had the seventh to eighth best roster in the NFC. NFC, maybe the 15th best roster, 20th best roster in the league. So outside of Terry McLaurin, Jaden Daniels and a couple of D linemen, they need a ton of help. Some of it like Deebo Samuel in a weak wide receiver. Draft isn't available. But they'll probably draft a running back, an offensive tackle. So I mean, between free agency and the draft, I don't even think it's probable. It's likely. Including Deebo, they'll have seven to eight new starters.
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Joy Taylor
There's a wide receiver at Stanford coming out. Big, big, big body kid. He's got a lot of talent. I. They need some more dudes. And again, if they lose Ertz or if he retires, that's a huge loss. He was outstanding for them last season. I think second on the team in reception was 66. After that, it's like Zakiyah, Noah Brown.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that guy.
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Joy Taylor
Three, four is not really two. Final story. Colin is back to the NBA. Anthony Edwards, boy, he had a night last night just cooking 44 points, seven assists, five rebounds, and a beat down of the hapless, woeful Phoenix Suns. Anthony Edwards, of course, continues to torch Phoenix. And why is that? Well, the media asked him about it. Here we go.
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Colin Cowherd
Kevin Durant.
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Jimmy Johnson
Yeah, anywhere.
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Colin Cowherd
As Kevin Durant plays, I'm gonna be.
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Jimmy Johnson
Ready to play him.
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Colin Cowherd
Not.
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Joy Taylor
Not because, like, me versus him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, me versus him, but more so, just like, that's my favorite player of all time.
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Jimmy Johnson
He's the greatest player to me of all.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what I'm saying?
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Joy Taylor
So it's just like, I want to.
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Colin Cowherd
Beat him, I want to go against him. So, yeah, it's interesting that that would be his favorite player because Ant is more Kobe, mj. Right. Like, he's. He is highly dynamic, highly vertical, whereas Durant is. Got kind of a Dirk Nowitzki feel to him. Like, like just impossible to get at a shot, catch and shoot guy. It is interesting. They're just different body types, and stylistically, they're very different players.
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Joy Taylor
Phoenix has nobody to match up with with Anthony Edwards. He just destroys them. Look at this record 7 0. Remember the sweep last year? I don't know if you saw the highlight, but in a fast break, they tried to bounce it off the court, and Anthony Edwards up to dunk and Bradley Beal just shoved him in the middle of the air. Got a flagrant foul. Anthony Edwards just lights up when he puts. I would love to see him go against SGA and OKC in the play in. I'm just telling you, Anthony Edwards, I'm not betting against that guy. He's too good in the high leverage spots. Man, that guy's done. I like this Minnesota team. Your boy Finch.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I like him, too. I think I'll be. I'll be interested to watch him play. I think the Julius Randall still worries me at times. I think sometimes they'll miss a little bit of Karl Anthony Town's offense, but they'll win playoff series. They're not. They're not a one and done J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. Paul Pierce is gonna be stopping by. Did you watch last hour? Did you watch a lot of the, a lot of the combine this weekend?
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Joy Taylor
No, I had a lot of, you know, youth, family stuff. So I'm able to get the clips and friends are texting me some of the good stuff. What did I. What do you.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean the first thing that's obvious is just there's more guys that are big and fast. Like some of these defensive linemen, they're just, they just run like it's crazy. Like last year, the kid at Florida State Fisk that the Rams picked, I remember watching him and just thinking, people that big shouldn't run that fast. That's what he's running like a tight end used to five years ago. So it's funny we talk about this draft. It's not a great draft, it's not an amazing draft. And my takeaway is there's just more big fast guys. I mean I thought Will Howard had a rough weekend and Will Campbell, the offensive tackle from LSU may get moved inside. He's not long enough. And there are some numbers with length for tackles that, that it predicates you're more of an interior blocker. But I'm, I just saw so many guys, it just felt like every other Guy was running a 438 to a 4, 4 8. It's like, God, he's just bigger, stronger, more cut, faster athletes.
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Joy Taylor
It's amazing. The technology in this country just keeps getting better. Cars keep getting better, football players all get better. The only sport, weirdly that doesn't get better is basketball. The guys from the 80s and 90s are just better than everything today. Now for forget bigger, faster, stronger. I mean you see these offensive linemen running a sub 540 that's beating like quarterbacks from back in the day. Like these guys are machines. Yet for some reason people are just wedded to their favorite players of all time.
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Colin Cowherd
Being just the basketball, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's really funny. So, you know, this weekend I was in Chicago and it is funny how, you know, people have a view of things. Like people in Chicago view Los Angeles as crazy town. And I'm like, you know, and I'm saying, you realize you ever go to YouTube or watch Netflix or use Zoom or YouTube, those are all California based. And there's a lot of smart people. And believe it or not, despite our taxes, all those companies are flourishing and flourished in their growth. California's fine. It's the fourth or fifth biggest economy in the world. It's fine, perfect weather in the world. It's like fourth biggest economy. But there's a perception and there is a perception. I think it's interesting, and I get people saying this about the NBA is that nobody likes it. And folks that's like saying nobody likes your home. And you just got double the price on your home that you thought you would get. The NBA signed an 11 year, $76 billion deal for TV. I don't think they predicted two years ago they would get $76 billion. Money talks. You can say somebody's popular. You can say they're not popular is. You could say Rock's not a good actor. Rock made $88 million last year. So somebody's watching his movies. Somebody in America thinks he's wildly entertaining. Do I think he's the late Philip Seymour Hoffman? No, I don't. But, you know, maybe he was more. You know, people don't go to the theater anymore, so maybe they don't appreciate that. That art, right? So, you know, my takeaway is in the end, as they all say, scoreboard. Scoreboard is $76 billion over 11 years. NBC may lose money on the deal. I think they will. I mean, I've said before, I'm going to watch the NBA because I like it. I don't really care what anybody else thinks. I like the NBA. It's not the NFL to me. It's not the World Cup. It's not even a Dodger, Yankee, World Series. It's not college football, Ohio State, Michigan. But it has value. But it is, it is funny sometimes. Like, people can say certain things, but it's scoreboard. What'd you sell your house for if you got double the number you thought you would get? Scoreboard. It all the stuff about popular, unpopular it, it. They got the money. So the owners are happy, the commissioner's happy, the players are happy, the agents are happy. That's what matters in the NBA now. Now NBC in four years may not be happy. They don't even get finals with their contract and they get a conference final every other year. I don't like that deal for NBC at all. Amazon's got a reservoir of cash. It doesn't matter. You know the incumbent. Espn, ABC will be fine. But it is interesting. Everybody's got strong opinions. And my take is if you get the bag, if you get the number. That's all that matters for these leagues, owners, players, executives, agents. That's what they care about. That's why all these big contracts always leaked to the press. They want to make sure everybody knows you can say what you want about my guy. My guy got his. So once you get the contract in life for your house, for your league, for your player, from your boss, from the corporation, that's get the contract. Everything else is is kind of white noise. If you feel like owning a home is out of reach, Rocket is here to give you back the keys. Because they believe everybody deserves a shot at the American dream. On the dream, visit Rocket.com call 800-4Rocket be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. 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Joy Taylor
Make some noise for the Greatest Shooter of All Time Steph Curry.
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Colin Cowherd
We went.
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Joy Taylor
Live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Go Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Jimmy Johnson
Peja 5 Dirk Ford Paja is elite.
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Colin Cowherd
OK, I'm mad him I left him off my list but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Jimmy Johnson
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Joy Taylor
Yes, absolutely.
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Jimmy Johnson
Love it.
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Joy Taylor
Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Jimmy Johnson
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get back on defense.
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Joy Taylor
Listen to Goat G O T E Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm Mark Seale. And I'm Nathan King. This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
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Jimmy Johnson
The five families did not want us.
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Colin Cowherd
To shoot that picture. Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title and on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish.
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Jimmy Johnson
This is really the first interview I've done in bed.
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Colin Cowherd
We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting. That's nonsense. There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened.
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Joy Taylor
And they said we're finished.
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Jimmy Johnson
This is over.
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Colin Cowherd
It only stopped going to work.
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Jimmy Johnson
You gotta get rid of those guys.
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Colin Cowherd
It's that Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Kahn, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joy Taylor
Sunday, the NASCAR cup series heads to FS1 with some door to door action at the Jewel of the desert in Phoenix. Pre race kicks things off at 2 Eastern with the green flag flying at 3:30 on FS1.
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Colin Cowherd
So there's a lot of overreactions to Debo Leav. The Niners, listen, they have 12 draft picks, okay? They've got multiple thirds fours. Niners are going to be okay. Okay? Christian McAffrey, Brandon Auk, Juan Jennings, George Kittle was a Pro Bowler last year. Ricky Piero looks like he can play. Play. Brock P. Is a good distributor. I don't think he's a superstar, but he's a good distributor. Trent Williams, top three left tackles coming back to play one more year. They need rebuilding of their O line and secondary. I saw a mock draft today where they were taking Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan, who I think is a. If he goes to the Niners. They just stole. They had the. The best heist in the first round because I think Will Johnson was banged up. I think Will Johnson's unbelievable player and I don't think there are many unbelievable players in this draft. There's about eight. Will Johnson's one of them. So if he falls to the 49ers and because you have two quarterbacks and you got some tight ends clogging up, taking some picks, if Will Johnson falls to the Niners, the draft's a success. He's a great get for them. But Debo leaving the Niners is a little like Jimmy Butler leaving the Heat. They're both really good players, but it was time. It was time for Jimmy Butler to go right. They were tired of each other. And Debo and the 49ers, they're just Brandon Ayuks chirping. Debo wasn't happy. Christian McCaffrey got hurt. It's just time to break up the band. And you know, the dirty little secret about Debo is as a wide receiver. He has 1,000 yard season. That was four years ago. He gets banged up a lot. He's not. He is a great chess piece for a coach who can design the right place for him. So he's a. Two things can be true. He's a great fit in Washington and it was time to go in San Francisco. That's why they drafted. I said this a year ago when they drafted Ricky Pearsall. I said, my take is that's for Debo. They're getting it. Ricky Pearsall is not going to beat anybody down the field. He's a chess piece. You can put him in a slot, you put him in motion. Ricky Piersoll's got. He's like a poor man, a little bit poor man's Debo a little bit. And I think Ricky Pearsall had that, you know, the gun situation yesterday last year where he got shot. So his season this year will start off with more inertia and more momentum and more optimism and better health. So but Jimmy, you know, the Bay Area got a guy that was tired of his environment and they're moving off a guy that got tired of his environment and that's okay. But like when you have 12 draft picks and you have multiple thirds and multiple fours, it may not be a great draft, but I trust John lynch to hit on 60, 65, 70% of the draft picks. They need an offensive tackle to replace Trent Williams eventually. They need a cornerback. I go back to the O line, probably need a safety, a linebacker. Greenlaw's expensive. You don't want to get rid of Fred Warner. So they've got like obvious needs and most of the things they need in the draft are available. I draft another running back behind Christian McCaffrey. So Jimmy Johnson earlier this hour officially retired from FOX Sports. It you know how many people in the country are hall of Famers in three different categories, NFL coach, college football coach and broadcaster. Here was Jimmy, who's been sort of our coach on FOX Sunday, NFL Sunday, announcing his retirement about 45 minutes ago.
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Jimmy Johnson
The most fun I've ever had in my career and that's town Super Bowls and national championship was at FOX Sports. You know, I have an absolute ball with my friends on the set and the best friends I've ever had there with Fox. And then I tell you, on top of that, you know, I love working for Eric Shanks, our CEO and our producer Bill Richards. But I've made a extremely difficult decision. I've been thinking about it for the last four or five years and I've decided to retire from Fox. And I'm going to miss it. I'm going to miss all the guys and I'll see them occasionally. But it has been a great run starting back 31 years ago.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think I can share this. So when I used to work on Sundays, I would get in early and I would ask Jimmy a bunch of questions and I, I, we would, I love college football. So and Jimmy loves college football. So we would talk a ton. We didn't talk as much Cowboys as you think. We talked a ton of college football and we relived those Miami Hurricane days. And you know what was so funny is those Hurricane teams were sort of seen as outlaws. But the truth of it, what Jimmy was really proud of is how many were good student athletes, that how cohesive the team was. I mean, he just loved those players. And you go back, There's. You could YouTube it, those games against Notre Dame. And, you know, there was this, you know, this narrative of what his teams were crazy. Outlaws, Rebels. I think one of the games was. Wasn't it called Cath Catholics against the Convicts? Like it was. I think they did a 30 for 30 on that the other place. So. But he had just. He was. So not only did he coach the Dolphins and coach the Canes and he lives down in the Keys. You know, Dallas was perfect for Jimmy Johnson because now there's a lot of coaches. Coaches now make $15 million a year, right? Jimmy was. Jimmy was one of the first rock star head coaches. You know, part of it was, you know, the Miami Hurricanes were Rebels and Outlaws, and then there was the Dallas Cowboys. And some of it's the good fortune of getting high profile jobs. But it was the hair and it was. I mean, he's a great, like, banquet speaker. I've been in a few rooms with Jimmy. He takes the room over. But, you know, one of the things that Jimmy was really good at, and some coaches are good at this. Sean Payton loves personnel. Jimmy Johnson was not only good at it, he loved personnel. He loved if he was coaching the Cowboys on a Sunday, he'd watch college football. And I always said this, Bill Belichick's a great coach, but I never thought Bill was sitting around on Saturday watching college football. Urban Meyer told me all the years of college football coaching, he didn't watch the NFL on Sunday. He was in the film room on Sunday breaking down film. And Jimmy is different. Jimmy loves college football. And I think, you know, you are good in life at what you dedicate yourself to. And there's a reason it wasn't a happenstance. Jimmy would log 15 hours of watching college football on Saturday. He's the first guy up, last guy to go to bed. And he would walk into the studio on Sunday and crush it on our number one show for 31 years, Fox Kickoff. All right, hour three. Paul Pierce joining us live in Los Angeles on a Monday. It's the Herd. This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glaser Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's gotta stop. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following. Hat'supwithhate.
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Joy Taylor
Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry.
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Colin Cowherd
We went live from All Star Weekend.
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Joy Taylor
For a new podcast podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Jimmy Johnson
Asia 5 Dirt Ford.
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Colin Cowherd
Asia is a lie. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Jimmy Johnson
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Joy Taylor
Yes, absolutely.
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Jimmy Johnson
Love it.
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Joy Taylor
Listen to Go G o T e greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio.
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Colin Cowherd
App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's.
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Jimmy Johnson
The thing, I spoke with more actors.
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Colin Cowherd
Musicians, policymakers, and so many other fascinating people like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd. I love writing more than anything. You're left alone, you know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon. Go pick up a kid from school and write at night. And after nine hours, you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on. And actor and comedian Jack McBrayer. The most important aspect is the collaboration with people that I like, I trust are talented. That has been the most amazing gift to me about this crazy business that we've chosen. Meeting these people who have such diverse talents and you're able to create something together. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, you guys, I'm Katherine Legge. I'm a racing driver who's literally driven everything with four wheels across the planet. And I've got a new podcast. It's called Throttle Therapy. This season, I'm competing in some of the world's most notorious racing events. Tune in to my new podcast, Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legge, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.