Hour 2 - The Blazin' 5

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2: The Blazin' 5
Release Date: January 17, 2025

---

Introduction to Playoff Predictions
Timestamp: 02:27 - 07:43

Colin Cowherd kicks off the episode with a lively discussion on the upcoming NFL playoffs, emphasizing the excitement surrounding what many consider the best football weekend of the year. He mentions traveling to New Orleans for the Super Bowl and outlines his initial thoughts on key playoff contenders.

Key Playoff Picks and Analysis
Timestamp: 02:28 - 07:43

• Kansas City Chiefs vs. Houston Texans
  Colin expresses confidence in the Chiefs, citing their strong home record and improved ball security:

  “I think the Chiefs win by nine.” (03:16)

• Los Angeles Rams vs. Philadelphia Eagles
  He highlights the Eagles' superior offensive line and running game, praising quarterback Jalen Hurts:

  “Eagles win 28 to 20, pull away in the second half.” (06:32)

• Baltimore Ravens vs. Buffalo Bills
  Colin favors the Bills, commending Josh Allen’s performance and the team’s disciplined play:

  “I think Buffalo, my guest today. I think Buffalo wins the Super Bowl.” (06:40)

• Ohio State vs. Notre Dame
  He opts for the under on total points, noting the strong defensive capabilities of both teams:

  “I'm taking the under 46 and a half.” (06:40)

In-Depth Discussion with Shady McCoy
Timestamp: 07:43 - 23:16

Colin welcomes Shady McCoy to delve deeper into coaching dynamics and player performance.

• Philadelphia Eagles and Coach Nick Sirianni
  Shady lauds Sirianni's ability to connect with players and adapt to the tough Philadelphia environment:

  “Nick Sirianni is perfect for it... Every player I ask from the role players to the superstars... they love Nick Sirianni.” (09:20)

• Running Back Saquon Barkley’s Impact
  They discuss Barkley’s running style, emphasizing his ability to read defenses without direct eye contact:

  “The best running backs, they feel and they see not players, they see color.” (12:52)

• Potential Coaching Changes in Dallas Cowboys
  Shady shares insights on possible hiring of Deion Sanders (“Coach Prime”) and the implications for the Cowboys’ dynamics:

  “Coach prime brings the element to the players where I can really relate to him.” (19:08)

Contract Speculations and Team Strategies
Timestamp: 23:16 - 37:52

Colin and Shady explore contract negotiations, focusing on Brock Purdy’s potential deal with the 49ers and its impact on team finances:

“305 million for Brock Purdy would put him just ahead of Burrow and behind Mahomes.” (29:12)

They also touch upon the passing of NBA legend Gus Williams, reminiscing about his career and influence on the game:

“Gus Williams could have dunked all like...” (33:07)

Dallas Cowboys’ Coaching Situation
Timestamp: 39:39 - 37:52

Colin provides a critical analysis of the Cowboys' recent decision to part ways with Coach Mike McCarthy, highlighting fan dissatisfaction:

“78% of Cowboy fans... did not approve of the way Jerry handled the McCarthy decision.” (39:39)

He speculates on future coaching candidates and the potential misalignment between Jerry Jones' expectations and the team's needs:

“I think Ben Johnson is a good candidate, but he's not bringing Detroit down to Dallas.” (35:09)

Closing Thoughts and Final Picks
Timestamp: 37:52 - End

Colin wraps up the discussion by reiterating his playoff predictions and reflecting on the strategic movements within the NFL coaching landscape. He emphasizes the importance of quarterback performance in determining team success:

“Who’s your quarterback? That’s why I say whoever takes the Cowboys over when Dak comes back, you'll probably win like 10 games.” (37:52)

---

Notable Quotes:

1. Colin Cowherd on Chiefs' Dominance:

   “I'm going to take Kansas City, Rams, and Eagles. Ah, it's my favorite bet of the weekend.” (04:45)

2. Shady McCoy on Nick Sirianni's Leadership:

   “Nick Sirianni is perfect for it... He wears his emotions on his sleeve.” (09:20)

3. Colin on Saquon Barkley's Running Style:

   “He feels and he sees not players, he sees color.” (12:52)

4. Discussion on Brock Purdy’s Contract:

   “305 million for Brock Purdy would put him just ahead of Burrow and behind Mahomes.” (29:12)

5. Fan Sentiment on Cowboys’ Coaching Change:

   “78% of Cowboy fans... did not approve of the way Jerry handled the McCarthy decision.” (39:39)

---

Conclusion

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, listeners receive an in-depth analysis of the NFL playoffs, strategic coaching insights, and candid discussions on player performances and team dynamics. Colin Cowherd, alongside guests Shady McCoy and JMac, provides expert opinions backed by statistics and personal observations, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking comprehensive coverage of the football season's pivotal moments.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

You can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com heap and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months. Look around. Every car you see is probably on Auto Trader, like that sleek convertible that turned heads when it picked you up from the airport or the custom ride from your favorite van. Life couple on social media. Even that vintage sports car that's tailing you a little too closely. New cars, used cars, electric cars, even flying cars. Okay, no flying cars yet, but as soon as those get invented, they'll be on autotrader. If you see a car you like, it's probably on Autotrader. That's kind of their thing. Autotrader.

[Bobby Bones]

Lately, on the NPR Politics podcast, we're talking about a big question. How much can one guy change?

[Colin Cowherd]

They want change.

[Bobby Bones]

What will change look like for energy?

[Colin Cowherd]

Drill baby. Drill schools. Take the Department of Education. Close it. Health care better and less expensive.

[Bobby Bones]

Follow coverage of a changing country.

[Colin Cowherd]

Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.

[Bobby Bones]

The NPR Politics Podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say With Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Thanks for listening to the Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.

[Shady McCoy]

Now let's get this party started.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Not messing around. It's a Friday. We didn't wear casual clothes. This is my best shirt. We're ready to go on a Friday. I got my blazing four. I'm not touching Lions commanders. Lions up to 10. I don't like those games. I'm staying away from that thing. Good to have you in. So shady McCoy in a couple of minutes. You got your picks. Next hour. This is many people believe this is the best weekend of the year in football. Divisional round, playoffs, next weekend's championship and then you get a couple weeks off of the Super Bowl. We'll be in New Orleans for the Super Bowl. Getting there Wednesday.

[JMac]

You gotta get on Shady's Casey. I think I saw him pick the Ravens. Did he play for the Buffalo Bills at one point?

[Colin Cowherd]

Doesn't matter. He's a. He's a journalist now.

[JMac]

Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's got to take only sees money and the truth. All right, here we go. Not that many games. I'm picking four. Fire away. That's a hot one. Let's blaze it up. Fire it up. It's Collins. Blaze in five. Sponsored by DraftKings Texans and Chiefs. Listen, I don't love eight and a half, but I'm going to swallow it. I'm going to lay it and take Kansas City. Two of their last three wins have come by 10 plus points. Undefeated at home 13 four off a bye under Andy Reid and they don't give the ball away anymore. Seven straight games without a giveaway. CJ Stroud has never been the same quarterback on the road. Warm weather team in really cold weather. And I also think the Texans benefited from those interceptions against Justin Herbert. That's not going to happen. They're missing their two of their top three receivers. Joe Mixon's banged up and if you look at C.J. stroud on the road versus teams that made the playoffs in his career.05 passer rating at 71. I think the Chiefs win by nine. I wish the number was better.32, 21. Take Kansas City, Rams and Eagles. Ah, it's my favorite bet of the weekend. I like Philadelphia. Inclement weather is going to favor the better O line, the better run game. I mean, they held the number eight scoring offense, packers to 10 points in the wild card win. They have the number one offensive line and the number two rushing offense. And they're going to give it to Saquon Barkley, who's been on a heater seven of his last eight games plus 100 yards. The Rams, listen, they took advantage of a battle line and they've got a very good defensive line. They were at home. Now it's a short week. They allow 124 big plays this year, so you can beat him downfield. And let's be honest, Matt Stafford, in his career rain and snow games one and eight, he is not the same quarterback. Eagles win 28 to 20, pull away in the second half. Ravens at Bill. I like the Bills nine and oh. At home, they lead the NFL with 13 games of 30 plus points and they don't give the ball away. They're like Kansas City. They're very clean. Fewest giveaways and fewest sacks allowed in the NFL. Which is wild for how dynamic they are as an offense. Josh Allen's been a good playoff quarterback. Lamar Jackson, 3 and 4 in his playoff career. He's missing Zay Flowers, who may play but hasn't practiced. I gotta be honest, in a big playoff spot, Lamar's been a bit tense. He's gotten better, but a bit tense, a little anxious. Josh Allen has been great. I just think. I think Buffalo, my guest today. I think Buffalo wins the Super Bowl. That's my take. I think this is the best version Josh Allen's had. I'm going to take the points and take Buffalo 28 to 24. Ohio State versus Notre Dame. I'm taking the under 46 and a half. I'm going to stay away from the spread. These are unbelievable defenses. Okay, if you go look at Ohio State, they held Texas to 14 points. They held nine straight opponents to 21 points or fewer. And the Irish are missing a couple offensive linemen. We don't think they'll play. And their offense is okay. Notre Dame, meanwhile, lead the country with 33 takeaways. Unbelievably well coached on defense. Excellent secondary. Opposing Quarterbacks had 12 passing touchdowns and 19 interceptions. They will. Howard can lose his confidence. So Notre Dame and Ohio State, if you look at their defensive rankings this year, you're looking at creme de la creme. Points allowed, they were 1 and 2. Passing yards allowed, 1 and 2. I don't think Notre Dame has the offensive firepower to win, but I'm going to take the under 46 and a half points draft. DraftKings Sportsbook America's top rated sportsbook. 200 bucks in bonus bets instantly betting just 5. The promo code is heard. H E R D so I still can't believe the Buffalo Bills are getting points at home. And I know the wise guys like Baltimore and I know you can run the football on the Bills. I get that. But I'm going to take A couple of big favorites to cover the Chiefs and Eagles. Take the under on Notre Dame, Ohio State. And with that couple of championships, Shady McCoy, you see him on the facility, is now joining us.

[Shady McCoy]

You got some good picks, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

Glad that's how I see the world.

[Shady McCoy]

Let me ask you a serious question.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, all right. Serious.

[Shady McCoy]

You know, I'm known from time to time. Jada, the place is better too, you know.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Shady McCoy]

I want to know how well do you normally do?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I had a very bad year because we talked about this. Favorites did very well this year. And I like underdogs.

[Shady McCoy]

I like favorites.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, you had a good year then, so. But has the playoffs have started now. I'm taking in college football. I'm taking favorites.

[Shady McCoy]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I want to ask you about the Rams and Eagles. I said this, you know Philadelphia well, so I. There's always a couple in your social circle.

[Shady McCoy]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Or a family. And you fight and you argue and you're like, these people don't like each other.

[Shady McCoy]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

And yet nobody gets divorced. You stay together forever.

[Shady McCoy]

Still kind of vayner.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like they're always battling, they're always fighting. And I think to myself with Nick Ceriani, he looks ornery, tired, he's feisty. But so is Philadelphia.

[Shady McCoy]

That's right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Doug Peterson was too chill.

[JMac]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And Chip Kelly was a little west coast, you know, remote. And here's Nick, who'd get in a fistfight with you if it wasn't for Big Dom. And my takeaway is maybe I'm wrong, is that Nick Sirianni is Philly. He acts like Philly. He's emotional like Philly. And the players and the fans feed off him.

[Shady McCoy]

They love Nick Sirianni, you know, and who loves him the most are the players. Every player I ask from, from the. The role players to the superstars, right. To the franchise guys, they love Nick Sirianni. He's that type of coach where you can relate to him. Right. Have an issue in the locker room. You could talk to him. And he's fired up in the games and practice. And you see it. One thing about Nick Sirianni is like, he's the type of guy, he wears his emotions on his sleeve.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Shady McCoy]

And I think in Philadelphia is that type of place. There's a lot of players, there's a lot of coaches that can't coach or play in Philadelphia. The media is too tough, the fans are too tough. Right. Things get aggressive. It's a tough city, and Nick Sirianna is perfect for it. And this is the Reason why it's not an accident that this guy is a winner. Every year he's been in Philadelphia, he's been to the playoffs, he's been took this team to the super bowl, right. We look at Jalen, hurts how far he's come from his rookie season to right now. And a lot of credit goes to Nick Sirianni. You talk about getting the players in there. A lot of that has to do with Howie Roseman, the gm, but also Nick Sirianni and him working together, getting them players get find a guy like Jalen Carter to be that most dominant guy on defense and football. So I can say a million great things about Nick Sirianni. I would love if I was playing, I would love for him to be my coach.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, I think the Rams are a little like the Packers. I think they're another draft away. I think they need a corner, a left tackle. I think they need a speed receiver. I think they probably need another defensive tackle. They're a very young defense. Philadelphia. It gets in your head. I mean, were you ever on a team or when you, when you were an Eagle that you, you faced a team and they were good, but they were young and Philly on a Saturday or Sunday in a playoff, it's just too big for them.

[Shady McCoy]

Yeah, I can see that. Like, like as you as we're speaking into existence, I could see how you come off a big win, right. You beat the Vikings and you had nine. Right? Right. Everything's going on in LA with the, with the wildfires and et cetera. You had all these sacks, everybody played well and now everybody's like, yo, the Rams might be a team that could potentially beat the big time Eagles, right? Till you get to Philadelphia and that weather comes in to play with the snow and get them fans involved. And then you see that running game again. See one thing about football players you don't really like, forget and as good as the, the, the ra. The Rams team did against who do they play? The Vikings. When you play the Eagles is different. Like we played you before. We, our running back had 255 yards rushing. That like that did happen. If you really watch that game, you see how the offensive line really controlled the line of scrimmage.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, Saquon could have had another 40 yards rushing. He sat down.

[Shady McCoy]

Sat down. So I just think that like you didn't forget that in this game, right? Where in football you get paid a lot, a lot of money to kick butt, right? I want you to dominate this other guy on the other side of the field. And we do that best now. I think Jalen hurts has a better performance than he did against the Packers. They are in trouble. They're in trouble.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm going to ask you a question. This is a weird question.

[Shady McCoy]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

I can assure you you've never been asked this, because as I watch Saquon Barkley, when you're a running back and you go through the hole and you know violence is coming, it's coming, do you look for shades of colors? So I watched Saquon a couple of times against Green Bay, and he didn't look directly at the defender. You never do, but it was as if he just sees from his peripheral vision a color. So when you were doing that, how do you see players coming through a gap, but your head's here? Do you get sort of in tuned and it becomes part of your style that you're just moving away from the colors on the team? Because I. I don't know how he makes so many damn people miss without seeing them.

[Shady McCoy]

Jay, you know what's crazy? I don't know, man. You. You might in your other life be a running back, because that's how we see it, right? The best running backs are the running backs that. That fill it, right? And you see color. You never look at the person. If I look at the defender, he sees me, I see him, then they could. He could.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you see color.

[Shady McCoy]

You see color. You feel and you see color. So as I'm running through the hole, right, you don't look at him, but you see the guy coming. He's coming full speed and you jump cut to the right. You know what I'm saying? If you watch Saquon Barkley, he always reacts to what the defense does. The one play had against the Green Bay, right, it was the first. So they fumbled the first kickoff, right? The next run, I think saquon got about 12 yards to the left. The play was to the right. He felt the color shift into the right. He makes his jump cut and spins to the left. That's what a running back does. The best running backs, they feel and they see not players, they see color.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know what? It's a little like I'm so out of my element here, but I love you close though.

[Shady McCoy]

You on it.

[Colin Cowherd]

I was shifty, but. But it's almost like I've seen this before. If you get into a hip hop space in the studio, okay, and somebody's got the melody right, and you're just kind of riffing.

[Shady McCoy]

That's true. Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's a little bit the running back's life that you're kind of like, give me the melody, give me the hole. And I'm gonna kind of ad lib and riff. And there's a basic things like I basic lyrics I have in my head, but I'm going to kind of ad lib through the melody. And that's how I see a running back.

[Shady McCoy]

Totally, right? And it's so many different types of running backs. Like a guy like Derek Henry, he's just different, right?

[Colin Cowherd]

He. He doesn't mind content.

[Shady McCoy]

He doesn't mind it. So he'll look at that guy, okay, we'll bring it on. But a guy like Saquon. Cause he is big, but he is so explosive. And when you get a defender that you don't look at, right, and you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Don'T make eyes on, you can keep full speed.

[Shady McCoy]

He full speed because he don't know that you see him. Matter of fact, the first long run he had against the Rams, right, he ran up the hole. It was a big hole. Runs through it. And as the safety's coming, right, Saquon doesn't even look at him, okay? He feels that color. He jumps cut to the right. And it was a touchdown. Like, that's a simple example of not really, like looking at the defender, but feeling him and knowing he's there. It's like. It's like you're selling something to somebody, right? You're making a defender believe that I don't see you and I'm running straight and you think you're going to hit me, right? As soon as you get so close. Then I jump cut because I felt that color. And if you watch a lot of Saquon Barkley's runs, man, he just showed.

[Colin Cowherd]

You like, he doesn't look at defenders and yet pivots. He feels like he's setting everybody up. He's like a chess player. The two play two moves ahead. And Saquon probably thinking right now, I coward. When I want to talk about running backs, I go to anybody call you you. He might call you first before you call me, okay? Ravens, Bills.

[Shady McCoy]

Oh, that's a good one, baby.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, here. Here's the thing. They're. They're both great. Let's get over it. And Lamar's gotten better in the last couple playoff games.

[Shady McCoy]

Yes, he has.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's been a bit tight. And we've seen this with baseball players, Barry Bonds, a rod where they're just. They get golfers on the 18th. Get a little in your head.

[Shady McCoy]

People on TV talking about it every day, the week. And as a player, you try to block it out. You hear it everywhere you go, social media, grocery stores. You know, the matchup. You hear the rumors. You. The narrative. Can you win playoff games? Josh hears it. Lamar definitely hears it. So they hear them things.

[Colin Cowherd]

When you ever got nervous, forget about playing better or worse, how did it affect your game? Was there a game where you were anxious? Did it affect your game? Were you tentative? I mean, because I do feel sometimes he's a bit tentative. Aaron Rodgers could do this. If he threw a pick in a big game, he'd get a little safe. Aaron would. He wouldn't let it rip.

[Shady McCoy]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sam Darnold against the Rams a couple times after he got sacked, you could tell.

[Shady McCoy]

Yes. Yeah, that's a different story. But I get what you're saying, and I think every player, especially superstars, they go through this because all the pressure is on you. Right. If the. I don't know if the slot cornerback has a bad game for the Ravens, we're not going to come on TV and talk about. We're going to talk about the main guys. And I think sometimes with a lot of the. The superstar players like the Josh Allens and Lamars, you're talking about the Patrick Mahomes and actually played with these. These two guys, Josh and Pat, there's sometimes the games, they gotta calm down, right? You get anxious. You can't wait. You've been waiting all week for this game. It's the only game on tv. Everybody's watching. Every neighborhood, every neighbor. Neighbor is watching this game. So you kind of get antsy. And then there's. Sometimes you gotta relax. Okay, let's calm down. Might take a serious or two.

[Colin Cowherd]

So sometimes you had to, like.

[Shady McCoy]

Oh, for sure. There's times in the game where I can't wait the ball out, right. And maybe my first carry, you know, I'm stepping over my feet. I'm not really comfortable, Right. And then I get hit. Okay, okay. Shady McCoy. Calm down, relax. And then I get back to this, the basics and play.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's interesting. I. There's a. There's a clip on the Internet with Belichick telling Brady earlier, you go in the super bowl, he's like, hey, settle down, calm down, step into the ball.

[Shady McCoy]

The simple thing, that's the basics. Right. But you get so, so anxious. Oh, man. He's open. Is. Take it easy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Same with running backs.

[Shady McCoy]

Yep.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, now we. I'm not going to talk Chiefs, Lions, they're heavy favorites. I'm going to get to two other things. Dion was about a 500 coach in college. But I do think he has a connection to players that other coaches don't have.

[Shady McCoy]

Yes, he do.

[Colin Cowherd]

Tell me why I I take it you think it would work and you would hire him.

[Shady McCoy]

I would. I think especially personal NFL it's about a respecting. There's a lot of players that may play for a coach. Because this is my job. Right. And I have to do this. I have to. My job is run the ball block. I do everything. But sometimes you have coaches that whatever he says, no matter if I think it's right or wrong, I'm gonna do it because I got that type of respect for him. That's who Deion Sanders is. That's the prime time players respect Coach prime. What he stands for another guy, Andy Reid. Andy Reid could tell everybody hey man, go out there and run through the wall. And 99 of players are going to do that because they got that type of respect. Another thing is relating to the players. There's some times where certain coaches they really can't relate to these players. Andy Reid could, right. I think Belichick later in his years that's why things kind of went south because he really can't relate to the players. It's either my way or the highway. Well that's not always the case any people you work with or in football. And I think Coach prime brings the element to the players where I can really relate to him. I could talk about anything. And the next big thing is I think about what the Cowboys they have an issue with the ownership as far as can people work with Jerry Jones. Right. Mike McCarthy really good coach. I think was more of Jerry says this that's how we gonna do it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Shady McCoy]

Jason Garrett another one. Right. We're going whatever he says we're going to do.

[Colin Cowherd]

But he J. Mac says that's not going to work with Dion.

[Shady McCoy]

I think with you know, that's not work with him. When you have the interview with Coach Prime. Right. First of all, the last thing when a championship I was on your team. So you know how I get down. I think when you bring Coach prime in the office and interview him, it's not going to go just hey, whatever Jerry wants to do is what we doing. Because it's a sense of respect. Coach prime has that aura and respect that you're going to give him because who he is. Right. If I want to draft this player. But you might not want to. It's my team. You get what I'm saying? I think they can really work together. I think Jerry needs somebody that can host him accountable. There's some things he might say in interviews and media about some coaches where I don't think he's going to say that about Deion, because it's a sense of respect. And the last thing is Jerry likes money. He likes to be talked about. He likes to make his money. You telling me the things that Coach Prom has done for Colorado, right? And that town, that city, that team, the money they're making, all the. All the attention they're getting. You bring up the Dallas Cowboys and you can win, because I'm not even talking about the winning part. Jackson State, he got there. They started winning Colorado, they won one game before he got there. Now there's something to talk about, their winning team. So you bring the winning aspect to the Cowboys, and then the financial part, Jerry loves all that. I think they have a really good matchup together. I just hope it happens.

[Colin Cowherd]

Finally, Caleb Williams came out this week, and without demanding it, he said it, and I thought it was smart, right? And they asked him what he wants, and he goes, well, you know, leader of men, which. What the hell does that mean? But he said, you know, it'd be nice to have an offensive coach I could grow with. What he was saying is, give me an offensive coach. Like college, did you think it mattered? Now you're a running back, but still, did you feel it was different when you had an offensive coach, not a defense? Now college, you had Wonstadt, you had a. You had a defensive coach. So as an offensive coach, does it feel different in the locker room, in the meeting room, film room?

[Shady McCoy]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does it feel different?

[Shady McCoy]

It feels different. Especially when you have an offense that's struggling, that you have an offense where you go, the number one pick in super talented guy like Caleb Williams, you want to surround him with some office of geniuses. I look at guys like Sean McVeigh, whatever people thought about Jared Goff, right? When he's with the rams Before Sean McVeigh, you see the difference. You know what I'm saying? You see how he's changed for him, Andy Reid, another guy that's super, super smart. Alex Smith, he's with the. The Niners. Whatever the narrative was with him, he got to the Chiefs, they were winning.

[Colin Cowherd]

He.

[Shady McCoy]

He still was productive. I think Kelly Williams is really, really talented. I think he needs to be around an offensive mind that can really help him out, make the game easier for him. You look over there with the Detroit Lions right now, Jared Goff is playing phenomenal But I think you need the talent, which the Bears have, right? The ride. Then you need the coaching. If you watch some of the Lions games, a lot of that is talent, right? But a lot of that is like play calling. Like, wow, did you see that play? And you see that over and over again with the Lions. You bring that type of coordinator to the Bears and he's the head coach, everything's gonna be offense first, right? I think the Bears, for so many years, defense has been a good thing since the 80s. But with Andy Reid, like, I remember being with her with him is we're going to draft him and Brett Veach, the gm, we're going to draft some offensive guys because that's what we are. You get what I'm saying? So now that's the approach. I think it'd be good for him to have a good coordinator as far as the head coach for him.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right. Love having you on the show.

[Shady McCoy]

That's so comfortable, man. Like, this is.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hey, this shows.

[Shady McCoy]

I mean, it's like. It's like my therapy right here, huh? Therapeutic.

[Colin Cowherd]

I love.

[Shady McCoy]

Who's that guy right there, though?

[Colin Cowherd]

That? Well, that's you.

[Shady McCoy]

Oh.

[Colin Cowherd]

Do you like snow games?

[Shady McCoy]

I need a warm.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, you love snow games because it doesn't hurt when you fall.

[Shady McCoy]

No. Like pillows. I do think that's gonna be the biggest. The biggest difference from that game against the Rams. Playing that type of element in the snow, we're used to that. We play outdoors. It was cold as hell against the packers, what's the difference? We ready to roll, Jay?

[Colin Cowherd]

Let's do it.

[Shady McCoy]

Who gonna win? You better.

[JMac]

You know I'm with you. Hey, you need to show everybody your Eagles dance. You want to stand up and I saw you doing it.

[Shady McCoy]

You seen it earlier. Check out my, my.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Shady McCoy]

Shitty McCoy on Instagram. We got the Hype video. We ready to go, baby. It's time to hunt. Philly. Let's go. And Jalen Hurts will have a big game this game against the Rams. Yes, he will.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right.

[Shady McCoy]

I'm standing behind my quarterback.

[Colin Cowherd]

Live in Los Angeles. It's the Hertz. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Omaha Steaks is America's original butcher and has been bringing people together with the world's best steak experience for more than 100 years of family owned experience. From handcrafted steaks to hearty roasts, family style sides and quick, convenient comfort meals. Omaha Steaks delivers everything you crave to reset and relax after the holidays. And now during their end of season sale, you can taste the difference and get 50% off site [e-mail] plus our listeners get an extra 20 bucks off with a promo code herd at checkout. Omaha Steaks offers unrivaled quality and variety and every bite is backed by their 100% guarantee. They also carry mouthwatering burgers, chicken, pork, seafood, dessert and easy to prepare comfort food. Bring home the world's best steak experience with Omaha steaks. Visit Omaha steaks.com for 50 off site wide during their end of season sale and for an extra 20 bucks off with a promo code heard at checkout. That's 50% [e-mail] and for an extra $20 off with a promo code heard at checkout. Hi, it's Colin. JLab audio is changing the audio game for good, producing some of the best earbuds and headphones designed for everyday life without breaking the bank. And they are made in the same location as some of the other popular earbuds on the market that are triple the price. Don't overpay for quality headphones and earbuds, I don't. For those looking to conquer their fitness goals in 2025, JLab recommends the JBuds Sport ANC4, offering a secure fit and super long battery life for those tough workouts. For small ears, check out the JBuds Mini, so small they fit on your keychain so you're never without headphones. And if you're looking to zone out with a podcast or get in the zone at the office, check out their active noise canceling headphones. It's a true luxury feel. Discover your perfect pair of headphones just like I did and upgrade your audio game today. Look for the JLab Blue Box at retailers everywhere or visit jlab.com youm can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com Hepandswitch up to 4 lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying, unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months.

[Bobby Bones]

Lately on the NPR Politics podcast, we're talking about a big question. How much can one guy change? They want change what will change look like or energy Drill baby drill schools.

[Colin Cowherd]

Take the Department of Education. Close it. Health care better and less expensive.

[Bobby Bones]

Follow coverage of a changing country.

[Colin Cowherd]

Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.

[Bobby Bones]

The NPR Politics podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

JLab Best Audio Products in the game Wireless earbuds. The luxury active noise canceling headphones. Go to jlab.com or target, best Buy and Walmart JMAC with the news.

[Shady McCoy]

No no no. Turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herd line news all.

[JMac]

Right, Colin Shady McCoy was just talking about the weather in Philly and boy, it looks like it's going to be cold. 34 degrees. But it doesn't seem the Rams are daunted. Rookie defensive end Jared Verse threw out a little bulletin board material saying I hate Eagles fans. They're so annoying. When I see that green and white, I hate it. I actually get upset.

[Colin Cowherd]

Genuinely get upset. Hot.

[JMac]

Oh my. Talking trash. I had to go into Philly.

[Colin Cowherd]

This this kid is the next great edge rusher in the NFL. He is unbelievable.

[JMac]

Has looked pretty damn good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, Matt Stafford struggles in bad weather Kyron Williams a little banged up I think Phillies run game I think Phillies run games a story. I do think he's got a chance to be a little low scoring early. I think these are very, very good defenses. I think there'll be a feeling out process. Eagles have been a little chilly in the first quarter of scoring and by the way, the Rams, despite what you watched last week, have been a slow starting offense, about half their games, especially outdoors. Yep. So I think it's going to be a low scoring first half, but eventually the Eagles pull away.

[JMac]

First half Under 22 and a half Here are some Stafford numbers in the rain and snow. Colin that is abysmal. Now we should say he spent a bunch of his career in Detroit playing on bad Lions teams. So that's baked into this. I'm with you. I think the Eagles are the side. I can see the Rams making it interesting. I just, I like the Eagles. I'm with you, Colin. Next up is the 49ers. The big off season ahead for Brock Purdy, one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL. Purdy and the Niners have both said they want a long term deal, but 49ers beat reporter David Lombardi believes Purdy is in line to land a. Wait for it, $305 million deal averaging a record breaking 61mil annually, putting him just behind Mahomes in Terms of total value. Okay, now I'm gonna let that sink in.305 million for Brock Purdy would put him just ahead of Burrow and behind Mahomes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[JMac]

By the way, highest paid.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let me ask the question I always ask. What do you think his rivals think? What do you think the Rams think of that? That, you know, what the Rams are doing right now? Crystal.

[JMac]

I don't think they're chugging, Crystal, but cartwheels, perhaps.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, I just, I mean, that's. I, I.

[JMac]

What am I missing? Maybe there's a capologist in San Francisco who's got some answers that we're just not privy to.

[Colin Cowherd]

We don't know.

[JMac]

But the idea that he's going to be at 61 mil, that's a little terrifying in pomenography.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're going to become the Cowboys. I mean, seriously, you're going to become the Cowboys.

[JMac]

There's no room for error at all.

[Colin Cowherd]

None. You can make a mistake on every position. You can overpay a safety, you can overpay a receiver, but if you're overpaying a quarterback, you're talking 60 million instead of 38. You're done. That's like four players.

[JMac]

Here's the kicker. He's making what, like $900,000 this year? That has to be one of the biggest leaps in NFL history. He's got last pick in the draft, se, you know, seventh rounder, making, I think 900 somewhere in that ballpark to 61 million. Do you know what that's going to do to your roster? I don't. We must be missing something. Maybe you can book this Lombardi guy for next week. But I just, I don't see how this is feasible or why the Niners would want this.

[Colin Cowherd]

I just. It. I'm not doubting the writer. I would. I'm rarely shocked. In our business, that seems outrageous.

[JMac]

I would be stuck.

[Shady McCoy]

Yeah.

[JMac]

And I'm a Brock Purdy guy. You know that. Two years here, I've been trying to beat you over the head with Brock Purdy. Positive news. Final story is not great. Colin is to the NBA, where former Seattle SuperSonics legend Gus Williams, who led them to their only title in 1979, has passed away at the age of 71.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep.

[JMac]

Williams had two All Star appearances, one All NBA first team pick in 1982.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep. And my favorite player, the Wizard USC guy. So for Seahawk, Seattle, Sonic fans, it was, you know, Jack Sigma, Marvin Webster, DJ Lonnie Shelton, John Johnson. He was, for a short period of time, unstoppable. In the NBA, the long wristbands. He wore like three wristbands in a row. And there's. I'll tell you, it was. He was so unique as an offensive player. So he was one of those players that was 6, 2. Like he was a point guard that scored. So you had DJ at one guard who was one of the first great defensive guards.

[JMac]

Dennis Johnson.

[Colin Cowherd]

Dennis Johnson who could also score. And then they were a tough, physical team with Lonnie Shelton and Jack Sickman, Marvin Webster, but the wizard was like a point guard but a score. He had a little bit of Allen Iverson where you're like, yeah, he'll do the scoring and run your offense. So it's like a little bit like Lamar Jackson where, oh, he's your, he's your best back and he's your quarterback though. I talked to Paul Silas once and I said Paul Silas played with him and I think their championship year when they beat the Washington Bullets with Kevin Greevey one, Wes Unsell, Bill Cheniere, Elvin Hay, Bobby Dandridge. And I asked him, I said, paul, am I nuts? I think he's the most underrated player in NBA history. And he goes, man, you're not going to get an argument from me. He goes, I saw him every day at practice and back then you did. You had to listen to radio. Bob Blackburn was the voice of the Sonic. So a lot of Gus's games you saw on the road, but I'm telling you, this guy, Mount Vernon, New York, which is where Jim Calhoun in Connecticut did a lot of their recruiting to build that dynasty in UConn. This guy is an all time talent. Do yourself a Favor, go to YouTube today and watch the Wizard. Gus Williams, as a kid who grew up with the Seattle Sonics, he hit Downtown Freddie Brown off the bench. Those teams were so fun, long distance, great pacing. One of the. I don't know if the guys that preceded him, but he'd get the ball on the break and it was like there was an Iverson thing. Like he could score, he could pass, he could lead the break. Just so much fun to watch from those videos.

[JMac]

He looked like a mid range assassin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, he was unbelievable. He was a free throw.

[JMac]

Why you love the mid range? Because I love.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he was the free throw. He was. That team was a mid range team. It was a. He was free throw extended. It was money. Yeah, he was, you know, he had a little bit much more athletic than Alex English, but Alex English was a player I loved. It was a forward like Gus. He was thin he could handle the ball. And. And Alex English made a living on 14 footers, not dunks. And so everybody at that time was watching Dr. J and all these, you know, these high flying players. Gus didn't dunk. He loved the lay dunk, didn't shoot three. Well, let me give you a. I'll tell you a story he could have done, so Gus Williams could have done. I'm watching Como News in Seattle as a Kid, Como News 4 in Seattle and Harry Sloan was a reporter and he's doing a report, a package. And I never saw Gus Williams dunk. I didn't know if he could. Never saw it. And they're behind him is Gus Williams at practice. And Gus grabs a ball as Harry's doing his report and just. It's a loose ball on the ground and he grabs it, does it over the head. Dunk. Oh, reverse backwards. And I'm like, okay. Like you. I thought he was great. And I'm like, gus Williams could have dunked all like. John Stockton wasn't dunking. Steph Curry could dunk, but he doesn't. Gus had so much talent, but he always kept it in the tank. He always had another gear.

[JMac]

I feel like I just got in a Colin Cowherd time machine and got a. I'm sorry.

[Colin Cowherd]

I apologize, everybody.

[JMac]

Good. Go off. You know, that's fun.

[Colin Cowherd]

Johnny Bench, Steve Larget and Gus Williams, that's who I grew up.

[JMac]

Johnny Bench, baseball. Who was the next one?

[Colin Cowherd]

Steve Large and wide receiver.

[JMac]

Yeah, yep.

[Colin Cowherd]

And Gus Williams. I thought those were my stars growing up that I absolutely loved. George Brett, Kansas City was another one.

[JMac]

I was more of a national guy. Patrick Ewing, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul.

[Colin Cowherd]

Anybody could like those.

[JMac]

I know, exactly. Well, I was. I was growing up in the Washington Bullets area. They were terrible. All I did was make fun of their players. They were. I mean, they win like 25 games.

[Colin Cowherd]

Anybody under 55. I apologize for the last four minutes, but it was a part of my childhood. Gus Williams, the wizard.

[JMac]

We don't have like an MSNBC audience where the Average age is 70.

[Colin Cowherd]

Come on. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich we talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Hi, it's Colin. JLab audio is changing the audio game for good, producing some of the best earbuds and headphones designed for everyday life without breaking the bank. And they are made in the same location as some of the other popular earbuds on the market that are triple the price. Don't overpay for quality headphones and earbuds, I don't. For those looking to conquer their fitness goals in 2025, JLab recommends the JBUD Sport ANC4, offering a secure fit and super long battery life. For those tough workouts for small ears, check out the JBuds Mini, so small they fit in your keychain so you're never without headphones. And if you're looking to zone out with a podcast or get in the zone at the office, check out their active noise canceling headphones. It's a true luxury feel. Discover your perfect pair of headphones just like I did and upgrade your audio game today. Look for the JLab Blue Box at retailers everywhere or visit jlab.com you can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com Keep and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely reduction redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months.

[Bobby Bones]

Lately on the NPR Politics podcast, we're talking about a big question. How much can one guy change?

[Colin Cowherd]

They want change.

[Bobby Bones]

What will change look like for energy?

[Colin Cowherd]

Drill baby, Drill schools. Take the Department of Education. Close it. Health care better and less expensive.

[Bobby Bones]

Follow coverage of a changing country.

[Colin Cowherd]

Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.

[Bobby Bones]

The NPR Politics podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit everything because we got lots to say. I, I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the, the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

[Colin Cowherd]

There was something sentimental middle when you, like when you send it, it was like, do I send the heart?

[Matt Castle]

Now I don't like the color edition.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's extremely pink.

[Matt Castle]

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[JMac]

Jaden Daniels looks to continue an incredible rookie season as he leads the Commanders against Jared Goff and the top seated Lions in a divisional playoff matchup tomorrow at 7:30 Eastern on Fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is sort of a damning quote coming from Diana Rossini. I'm going to read you this quote. It'll be on the TV screen, but for our radio audience, here's the quote. Jerry Jones was not expecting Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys to go separate ways. The plan was to bring him back. They did not have a plan in place here. So a lot of this is scrambling from what I can gather or just I need to figure out how to fix this quickly. And so now we're seeing the coaches get called in for Dallas. So Diana Rossini reporting that Mike McCarthy and the agent Don Yee caught them off guard. Now we had Jordan Schultz yesterday. I believe what happened happened is once Mike Vrabel signed with New England, McCarthy was the best coach on the market if he was going to leave. And I think Don Yi, his agent Said, go ask for the moon. Go ask for five years guaranteed. And Jerry will say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not going to work. And then Mike said, okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna go. You know, I'll be fine, Jerry. And then he realized he was the number one coach on the market with Caleb Williams potentially available. I think Mike McCarthy looked at Drake May and. And Caleb Williams as very interesting, but he didn't think he had a shot to get the New England job because of Rabel's connection to Robert Kraft. So I've said this. I think Mike McCarthy is upgrading because you say to yourself, well, you know, the Chicago Bears, they're very dysfunctional. Well, the Cowboys now become very dysfunctional. I didn't think that six years ago, I didn't think that four years ago. But increasingly, they. They've become dysfunctional. So when you start looking at some of these numbers, the last time the Cowboys won a playoff game, you know, they're in that jets territory now. You know, Jags, Jets, Browns, Bear, you know, that weird. The last time they, you know, won multiple playoff games. So you. You can't deny that. So, you know, and let. Let's be honest about this. I know he's on land, man, and he is. Was a wildcatter. Jerry hasn't won a lot of negotiations recently. The Jalen Smith running back, not good. The Dak, not good. You know, it's for. For being known as a great negotiator. The DAC contract, I thought he got worked twice. I think he's been worked by Dak and his people, and I think Mike McCarthy worked him here. Now, again, you can point at Chicago and roll your eyes, but Caleb Williams on a rookie deal or DAC at 60 million, who would you take? I'm taking Caleb Williams. Now, Caleb may not work, but he's more talented. That's indisputable. And much more talented. And I also think, and I listen, I have. I've moved three or four times in my life cross country, so, you know, a lot of people don't, and that's fine. But McCarthy now has moved a lot. So McCarthy's gone Green Bay. McCarthy was somewhere before Green Bay, then Green Bay, then Dallas. Now he's moving again. And when you do move, you look at a lot of little things that people don't think they matter. But I think Mike McCarthy looked at Dax contract. I think he looked at recent. The last couple of drafts, the Cowboys have really butchered their first couple, their first pick in the first Round the O line's not very good. They got one weapon. And I think, I think he looks at Philadelphia's roster and I also think he watches Jaden Daniels and thinks, hell, if the New York Giants get Cam Ward or Shadow or Sanders, we could be in big trouble here. It's a quarterback league. And so I think, I think Mike Smartly, Mike McCarthy looked at this and thought, you know, and some of it maybe is Jerry's arrogance. Hey, you're coaching for the Dallas Cowboys, but remember, Mike McCarthy doesn't own any part of the Dallas Cowboys. He doesn't care about merchandise sales. You know what I mean? I don't own any part of Fox. You know what I mean? Like, I work at Fox. Mike McCarthy works for Dallas. He's an employee. So Jerry sees. It's different for Jerry, it's different. It's a different, you know, it's a different environment, a different reality. You're just an employee. So. And the other, the other thing is, is I think Jerry wanted to bring Mike McCarthy back, but Jerry wanted it on a short term deal and McCarthy just said, I want five. Sometimes in negotiations you ask for stuff that you think you can get but you probably won't, and sometimes you ask for stuff if you want to leave that you know, you can't get. I want Blankety Blank. We're not giving you that. Well, that's what I want. So there's a lot of game playing in this stuff. And I, and I think McCarthy did a really good job. You know, if you go back, there's a Cowboy survey that's out right now among the fan base. Let's put that on the screen. So this from the athletic, this is from Cowboy fans. And fans tend to be more favorable to local teams. Cowboy fans aren't. They did not approve. 78% of Cowboy fans, almost 79, did not approve of the way Jerry handled the McCarthy decision. That's. That is a number, man. And then the second graph from the athletic survey, Cowboys fan survey was, do you believe the Cowboys are moving in the right direction? That was 6%. You're not sure what to think. You're hoping for the best. That was 40% or the franchise is lost. There's no reason for hope. 54% now it is the NFL. So there's always hope. You can go from the Texans to the playoffs very, very quickly, the Chargers to the Chargers very, very quickly. So there's always hope. Who would you like to see? The Cowboys Higher as of right now. So this is interesting. The Cowboy fans would like to see Ben Johnson and a lot of people got like 6, 7, 10% Ben Johnson 22% Mike Tomlin 16 Dion 16 Belichick 8 Kellen Moore 7 Pete Carroll said so Ben Johnson's the hot coordinator, seen as young, smart, cool. I would like to inform Cowboy fans he will not be bringing the Lions offensive line or run game. So the Lions offensive line is first or second in the league and their running back room is the most talented in the league. The Cowboys running back room is the least talented in the NFL and they're all line somewhere in the bottom half of the league. And I like Ben Johnson, I think he's a good candidate, but he's not bringing Detroit down to Dallas. So all this stuff is very, very interesting. Very, very interesting. One other story that piqued my interest per a source with knowledge of the situation, not Cowboys Cliff Kingsbury in Washington. Kingsbury has decided to wait until the season is over, which is probably this weekend, before interviewing with interested teams for the head coaching vacancies. Now, I like Cliff Kingsbury. Do not know him. Know a lot of people that do. I'm a fan of him, but I do think, and I've seen this my entire life, a lot of people are great number twos and I think Kingsbury's A2. The greatest example is Steve Spagnola of Kansas City, who was a disaster as a head coach and is the best defensive coordinator in the NFL. Josh McDaniels has six rings, fired twice as a head coach. So I think Cliff Kingsbury is creative, fun, cool, but his teams get very loose because he tends to be there. Every great college or a pro football coach has a little drill sergeant in them. A little some 5%, some 30%. Saban has it. Kirby Smart has it. Harbaugh little drill sergeant, he doesn't. He's a former player, kind of views himself as a player. Very player friendly. I think he's very creative and very smart. But you know, it's funny. I was reading a story this morning on Lorne Michaels. Lorne Michaels isn't funny, but he knows funny, right? He's the CEO of Funny at Saturday Night Live for all these years. Fascinating story, by the way. It's in the New Yorker. And then and then Steve Jobs was not the best engineer, but he had a little bit of artist, a little bit of salesman, a little bit of engineer. Some guys are not the best X's and O's guy on a staff, but they're the best coach. Sean Payton and Andy Reid are great X's and O's, guys. So was Belichick on defense. And they're great coaches, but there's a lot of coaches. The term is walk around. Coach Jimmy Johnson had a lot of this. Jimmy was very good at feeling the temperature of his team. A very good psychologist, very good, like Parcells at building staffs, like a Lorne Michaels at Saturday Night Live. Some young, some old, some snarky, some loose. If you read the article, it felt like they were talking about a coach that built a staff or a GM that built a staff. And that Cliff is somebody I would want on my staff. I don't necessarily think he is a head coach, but. But I could be wrong. You know, when it comes to head coaches, a lot of it's just who's your quarterback? So we'll see. Cliff Kingsbury, right now, Steve Spags is the best defensive coordinator in football. Dick LeBeau for years in Pittsburgh was an unbelievable defensive coordinator. They were twos. We've had some interesting vice presidents. Most are vice presidents. You know, Reagan never felt like he'd be a vice president. He was going to be a president. It some guys are people are vice presidents, some are our presidents, some are great in sales. But you wouldn't want them running the company. And so it's just interesting the names that are out there. I can like somebody and think they're brilliant. I'd love Josh McDaniels or Cliff Kingsbury as my coordinator. Love them. But I've seen Josh a couple times and Cliff a couple times. It may not work. Their personality, you know, or maybe I'm wrong and it's just they didn't have when they were head coach, they got Tebow or they were head coach, they got Kyler Murray. Maybe they didn't get the right quarterback. A lot of times with a Coach, I'm about 50, 50 on this stuff. Who's your quarterback? That's why I say whoever takes the Cowboys over when Dak comes back, you'll probably win like 10 games. The best job. The Patriots job, in my opinion was the best job because of ownership stability. And Drake May is off the board. Bears, Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, Saints, all coming up next. Whether you're ordering wings for the game, whipping up a seven layer dip or ordering pizza, there's something about football that makes me want to eat. And this football season, Uber Eats has the best deals for me on game day. Food, no matter what I'm craving from two for one pizza to buy one, get one Wings. Uber Eats will be dropping new deals each week all season long. I'm in Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now for game day. Terms and conditions apply. See app for details.

[Bobby Bones]

Lately on the NPR Politics podcast, we're talking about a big question. How much can one guy change?

[Colin Cowherd]

They want change.

[Bobby Bones]

What will change look like for energy?

[Colin Cowherd]

Drill baby, Drill schools. Take the Department of Education. Close it. Health care better and less expensive.

[Bobby Bones]

Follow coverage of a changing country.

[Colin Cowherd]

Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.

[Bobby Bones]

The NPR Politics Podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show, and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors, and with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.