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Colin Cowherd
Welcome in hour two. Greg Cosell in a few minutes, live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac, Remember before the season started, there was that clip on HBO Max Max of Joe Shane, the gm, and John Mara in the office of the Giants talking about, well, if we don't. If we don't sign Saquon. And John Mar said, I just hope he doesn't go to Philadelphia.
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J. Mac
No.
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Colin Cowherd
Remember that?
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J. Mac
Yeah. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I was thinking about it. He's only 28, so it'd be one thing if you dumped your amazing wife. And she upgraded, and then the next year she won Powerball, and the following year she moved next door. It's the proximity to the Giants. It's not that Saquon's great. I don't even think Howie Roseman thought he would be this great. I thought he would be good. But how he wanted to stick it to the Giants and they needed a running back. But it's the proximity. If he played for the Broncos or Chargers or Raiders, it just wouldn't matter. But you put him on a great team that's across the street. And it's so easy for Saquon Barkley to. To, you know, rub it in the Giant's face. But he was on the Tonight show last night, and he continues to be all class about that HBO Max piece of tape that, that. That made its way out.
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Saquon Barkley
They're the people that brought me in. But after the game, so many guys and people from the organization reached out to me and was super happy to. To, you know, one for my birthday and see me hold that Lombardi Trophy up because they know the hard work that I put in. So, yeah, just, you know, that's. That clip is in the past. And I'm happy to be an Eagle. And I look at it as, like, Marshall Falk, one of my favorite running backs. You know, he played for the coach, but he's remembered as a Ram. So now I'm just trying to be remembered as Eagle.
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Colin Cowherd
There was always sort of a rule in pro sports, especially the NFL, don't trade within the division. You know, if you're going to trade Russell Wilson in Seattle, get him to Denver, even though it didn't work out, there's always the chance it would work out. What's remarkable is, is that you knew. You knew Jalen Hurts could play. I mean, you saw all the weapons. Philadelphia had their O line, their tight ends, A.J. brown, Devontae Smith. You knew that if, if Saquon Barkley ended up on that roster, it was going to be lightning, it was going to be transformative. And they still, they still did it. And you know, people are talking about the Luca deal and I understand that he's a running back, probably only has like three great years left, he's had a few injuries, but when you consider all the component went into it, proximity, they're in your division. They had a great O line, tight end, receiver and quarterback. And they kind of needed a star running back to make it one of the all time loaded offenses. And you still let it go. And the other thing is, I remember if you go back to the beginning, we kept saying they have a choice here. Are they going to pay Saquon or are they going to make Daniel Jones? And we knew quarterback was really important, but I think what Saquon proved and Derrick Henry proved and Josh Jacobs proved and Aaron Jones proved and all these running back J.K. dobbins when he was healthy proved the running back remains undervalued. And you can, I mean Baltimore and Philly had great years. They were led by running backs. That's not a shot, by the way, at Jalen Hurts or Lamar. But those teams felt like on a lot of Sundays they were running their offense through the running back. So. And Barkley's just such a classy guy. He, he doesn't have to be a good guy in all this. Like he could just roll his eyes and be bitter. But Saquon Zoe is above board. He's always great, he's always classy and it's like, hey man, I'm just gonna be the best guy I can be. But it is, it's, you know, you start looking around at some of these moves in sports and J. Mac, sometimes I don't, we don't appreciate this. There are big mistakes made on a regular basis in all these leagues. Like massive mistakes made now sometimes when Shohei Ohtani goes Angels to Dodgers, they couldn't afford him. I mean, he's a $700 million player. The Angels don't drive that revenue. You knew when he was in an angel after about year two, you're like, yeah, he's going to end up, up the i5. He's going to end up being a Dodger, a Yankee. Like there are times that you just can't afford it. We, we, we know that to be true. Sometimes you get trapped in a Cal salary situation, but in this situation, like you had a choice, bad quarterback, star, back, he just made a bad choice.
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J. Mac
I mean, you, you combine that with what just happened in the NBA with Luka Doncic and to me, I go into this NFL off season thinking literally anything could happen. I'm not going to be shocked by anything. Some of these decisions the owners are making, NFL, NBA, you're just like, what's happening? Like, could Aaron Rodgers, seriously, could he be on the 49ers next year, starting quarterback, Week 1?
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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J. Mac
I don't see why not. Yeah, could he go across town and play for the Giants? If they can't get Matt Stafford, I'm going to stick it to the Jets. I'm going to show them I can win.
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Colin Cowherd
Why not?
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J. Mac
If the Giants don't get a quarterback in the draft, I don't see why not. To me, anything is in play now. Again, that Luca thing really changed my outlook. And you go back to the Barkley one, it's like, wow, wild stuff.
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Colin Cowherd
Greg Cosell, 45 years, NFL Films. You know what I found interesting now it's a blowout, right? So you think to yourself, there's not much to say, but the tape always tells a more in depth story than what we watched. I had said to you multiple times this year, there were moments, drives and quarters when I would watch Philadelphia's offense and say, how do they ever punt? Jalen is viewed as not a great pocket quarterback, but can I defend him here on the throws they ask him to make, like the sideline stuff. He's very good at it. Yeah, that maybe. What does the film say? B? Okay, you tell me, what's the film say?
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Greg Cosell
Well, we're going to have to get to the defense in a minute because it was really a defensive game. But right. What Jalen hurts is exceptionally good at is he throws the ball outside the numbers really, really well. That's his game. And he made that third and seven back shoulder throw to A.J. brown that was as pretty as you could make a throw. That's his game. And obviously the long touchdown to Smith, that was set up all throughout the game. That was their seventh play out of the pistol formation. The previous six were runs. And then they came with the play action after the Chiefs turned it over on downs. But he also made a couple of other really good throws. There was 1/3 down and this will never appear in a highlight, but it was a nine yard completion, I believe on third and eight to Devonta Smith where the Chiefs tried to change the picture pre snap to post snap. And he Read it immediately. And he hit his back foot and delivered the ball. So, yeah, he played in many ways. It was a Jalen hurts game, very efficient. And one other point to make, which you can't ever overlook, is the run game element with Jalen. He had three runs in the second half. A couple of times they spied him and he beat the spy. Those are back breakers. Those are moral breakers, morale breakers for a defense. And that's a major part of his game. And he has such a good feel for that, Colin. And that's, you know, we know that the game has changed a bit now in terms of quarterbacks and these, these kinds of plays are so important in games.
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Colin Cowherd
It felt like now, let's talk pivot to the Eagles defense. It felt like they were winning every snap up front. And not only every snap, every player was winning. It was a complete dominance. I can remember Brady facing the New York Giants with, with Tuck and Strahan at OCU minor. And I can remember the New England Patriots really struggling with the defensive front four. This. Was that on hgh? I mean, that. That. Was this on Jet Fuel? What does the tape say? How were they able to generate that without blitzing?
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Greg Cosell
Well, you know, it's funny you say that because I'm watching the tape and normally when I watch tape, Colin, I try to think about the process, like what made Vic Fangio, as he started to prepare to play the Chiefs, which of course was two weeks ago, think that, okay, I can essentially just rush my four down linemen. I can play it. I have a two high safety structure every snap in the game, which is what they did. And so more than 75% of their snaps came with too high safeties. And why am I doing that? You know, why do I think that's the best way to go? And I think the answer is pretty simple. They felt that they were so much better athletically in all ways than the offensive line for the Chiefs. The Chiefs have three players on their own line that are really not good enough to be starters in this league. And the Eagles just were better up front. And then they started these multiple stunt concepts in the second quarter. And that's where the athleticism also really showed up. And they were, in a sense, daring the Chiefs to run the ball because they were playing all these two high safety structure concepts and the Chiefs would just not run the ball. The Chiefs had 20 offensive plays in the first half. Three of them were runs by running backs. They gained 23 yards, Colin, on 20 offensive plays in the first half.
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Colin Cowherd
The one thing the Chiefs did well was stop Saquon Barkley, which by the way, nobody did well all year. What is the one blueprint teams could take from that? Watching Casey's defense against Saquon because they bottled him up.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, they didn't do anything you would think is special. They did not load the box, as most people probably assume. They had a couple of run blitzes on first down here and there. They very often lined up in a two deep shell and then they just had a safety immediately drop down if the ball was snapped and make it appear that there was a gap that was open and the safety would fill the gap. But contrary to what people think, they did not load the box. In fact, their D line actually played very well in the run game. They beat up the Eagles O line at times and therefore made plays where they just won one on one matchups. So I don't think there's a blueprint here necessarily. As I said, they did run blitz on occasion on early downs. Tranquil was a factor in this and he's a good player, but there wasn't anything where you went, oh my God, I've never seen that before.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, I did think, and I said before the game, I thought Kansas City. When you can. I like their front seven. Defensively, I think it's twitchy. I think it's active. Yeah, I think it's really, really good. I think they got worn out because they were on the field entire first half. So, yeah, they.
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Greg Cosell
I mean, the Eagles had the ball for. Yeah, yeah, 37 minutes. The Eagles had the ball in the game and they went on a really long drive in the third quarter that basically. Look, the Chiefs tried to come out to start the third quarter and run the ball a little bit because they knew they needed to. Even they were down, they were down 24. And then when they had to punt, the Eagles went on a long drive and then all of a sudden there were four minutes left in the third quarter and then it was over in terms of any kind of running game. But the Chiefs just did not run the ball in the first half and the Eagles, you know, D line just dominated the game.
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Colin Cowherd
Travis Kelsey, what does the film say?
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Greg Cosell
Not a factor in the game at all. You know, he was forced to block on occasion. He's not very good at it and he was just not a factor in the pass game. Their past game never got into any kind of rhythm at all, Colin. They just could not develop any sense of timing rhythm. And Mahomes was unable to make the Mahomes kinds of plays that we're used to seeing. The only one he really made came when he threw the touchdown to Worthy, I guess late in the third quarter. But through the first half they really bottled him up. They kept him from getting outside the pocket. The one time he got outside the pocket, he ended up throwing the interception to Couper dejean, which was phenomenal defense. I thought the Eagles on the back end played with incredible discipline, incredible route awareness. I thought Blankenship and it won't show up in the box score. I thought Blankenship played an unbelievably good game.
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Colin Cowherd
What'd you make of Patrick Mahomes performance?
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Greg Cosell
I thought as the game progressed, and it happened pretty quickly, he started to play a little fast. I don't think he was seeing things particularly clearly. There were times I thought that his drop did not sync up with the routes. Don't forget how many plays he makes outside of structure. You know, I've had defensive coaches in the league, again, this is not me saying this. I've had defensive coaches who've played against him say that he's not a great progression reader. That's not the strength of his game. So when he's unable to make those special plays because his spatial awareness is as good as anybody in the league and maybe as good as anybody we've seen, but those plays did not occur, so they could never get into a timing and rhythm within their pass game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I'll throw this out there. One of the things I always felt Brady could win a game when he didn't have the best hand. He didn't have to have pocket aces or a full house. Tom would just figure out ways to win, field position, shorten routes, manipulate. I felt watching the game that they came in with a game plan and didn't alter it much. Did the film say that for Kansas City?
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Greg Cosell
Well, there were a couple of play calls, I'm actually going to show one when we get to it, that were actually really interesting play calls. But the pass rush prevented them from being executed. And you know that when that happens, you know, you can have a really nice route concept route combination that breaks down the defense because they knew what they were going to mostly get from Vic Fangio's defense because he's such a quarters maven and he works off of that. So they knew what they were going to get and they were able to attack it at times, but they just couldn't get the ball out because of pressure. And the pressure was the huge, huge part of the game. And with tuney at left tackle with Kaliendo at left guard and Taylor at right tackle. Those were three players that they, they just could not handle the Eagles. And then as I said, they started all these multiple stunt concepts to accentuate their athleticism. They started doing that in the second quarter. I think the first one came on the Dean interception return for a touchdown. And they just started doing more and more of that and it was really, really difficult for the Chiefs. All line.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, show us your big play from the game and what it means.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, I chose this play. Make it a little different and we can start the play Now. This was third and three on their second possession, okay? So the game was only seven nothing. And this is an example of what I'm talking about. This was actually a really cool play design by Andy Reid and his staff and they just couldn't execute it because of pressure. So what you're going to see here is Mahomes in the gun. Now that's Worthy, who's offset in the backfield. They tried to get him in the game early. And what you're going to see from the Eagles is they're going to be in that sort of 4 across umbrella coverage which they lined up in to start every single play in the game. The corners were off, okay? And in Vic Fangio's defense, In a Cover 4 look, the corners always stay with one vertical. The outside receivers when they run vertical. So this became a cover four shell, okay? Now Worthy's going to be the motion guy here and what he's going to end up doing is he's going to run a go route down the sideline. And they knew based on the COVID 4 coverage that the defender that would have to run with him would be Zach Bond. A great player, had a great year, but he can't run with Worthy. So let's just focus on these two guys from this angle and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Remember, this was third and three on the second possession. The game was not out of hand. So you can see that Worthy runs by him. This was the design of the play. And if Mahomes had time, it could well have been a touchdown. But now let's go to what this game was ultimately all about, Colin. And you're going to see because they emptied the backfield, you had Tuney one on one with Sweat, okay? Because Worthy was in the backfield. They emptied him out. You get the one on one matchup and Sweat's phenomenal here with his one arm stabilizer and he's able to clear the edge and you can see toward the top of the screen that Worthy hadn't really gotten into the route yet. So that's where Mahomes wanted to go, but he couldn't because of the pass rush pressure and he ends up having to run out of the pocket and throw an incompletion. So I thought this was very telling early in the game because they designed a really good play to take advantage of the Eagles defense that could well have been a touchdown. Mahomes usually doesn't miss those throws if he has time in the pocket and they just couldn't execute it because of the pass rush.
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Colin Cowherd
Good stuff. Greg Cosell, we got free agency coming up. Draft stuff. By the way, a tip for our audience. You're always good at giving me stuff. A year out. When do you really start deep diving on the draft or are you already done that?
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Greg Cosell
I'm already into it. For instance, I've done three quarterbacks that I'm done with. I've done Ward, I've done Sanders and I've done Dart. I'm done with those guys. I'm actually watching today. I was watching a really interesting guy that I was told about and I know you know college football. I was watching Tyler Schuck at Louisville who's been around the block a few times. Yep, he's a fascinating guy, Colin. Fascinating guy.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep. We'll keep our eye on that and more. Greg Cosell, NFL Films 45 years thanks Greg. Appreciate it.
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Greg Cosell
Thanks. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it as always.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. You and I both love the draft.
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J. Mac
Interesting that he's already looked at Jackson Dart. There is some chatter he could be a first round pick.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it, it, it's. I will tell you this. It is a year in which many believe the second, third and fourth round quarterbacks depending on where they land. Because the, the, the quarterbacks that are at the top of the draft are not transformative and they're going to bad teams. Whereas you get Riley Leonard goes to the Rams and sits behind Stafford for two years. That what you're getting is a theory, guys. And this kid from Louisville. There's a, there's a handful of quarterbacks that if they go third round late and they end up on San Francisco or they end up on Detroit, like for instance, the Lions are a great example. If the Lions say to themselves we need to be more athletic, think about the Detroit Lions. We have a great O line and great run game. So whoever we get at quarterback, what they're missing is mobility at quarterback. You make Fun of Riley Leonard. You go to the third round because that roster is pretty set. No, I'm just throwing this out.
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J. Mac
Remember, they got Hendon Hooker a few years ago.
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Colin Cowherd
That's not.
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J. Mac
Hold on.
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Colin Cowherd
But.
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J. Mac
Hold on. Jets fans. The jets offensive coordinator comes from the Lions. So jets fans are like, do we make a move on Hendon Hooker, who was awesome at Tennessee as a college player? I know he's on the older side. You're not feeling Hendon Hooker.
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Colin Cowherd
No. No.
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J. Mac
But you're feeling Riley Leonard.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. Yes.
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J. Mac
And hold on. We could do an hour on the draft, but you're telling me you think J.J. mcCarthy, who was, I think, ninth overall last year, you think he's a better NFL prospect than Cam Ward or Shador? I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Long term, maybe Bo Nix, you think.
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J. Mac
He'S a better prospect?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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J. Mac
Than Cam Ward?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
I just don't see that. I'm all in on Cam Ward. That's my guy in this draft. I think whoever gets him, you know, Tennessee or maybe Cleveland, like, he's going to be a student.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Stuff will start coming out.
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J. Mac
Oh, I see what that is. See the audience, if you're not watching, you need to listen closely. I say I'm all in on Cam Ward. He says stuff will come out. Meaning there's some. I don't want to say skeletons, but there's some stuff on Cam Ward that could emerge. Right.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm just saying I'm not here to label anybody. Let's let it play out well.
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J. Mac
Remember last week at the super bowl when I said Stafford, some connections will come out regarding the Giants? You did what happened on Monday or Tuesday. Adam Schefter report.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not saying we know stuff, but we can't. I'm not saying it's bad. So you immediately said the Cam Ward stuff is bad. I just think the. Some things will develop over the next two months.
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J. Mac
We could talk about some of it. The nil chase for him before he picked Miami and, you know, teams that were in the mix. There was some chatter about Kim Ward. I. I'm just going to put that aside. I like him a lot. Gosh, it's fun to do this show sometimes, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You immediately jump to bad news. And I. I am saying it's not necessarily bad news, but these stories develop. We tend to nitpick. The top kids like Shadour Sanders now is better than what I'm hearing at first during the season, it's like number one. And then we're all like, yeah, now when I talk to people. I have talked to two people in this league, two coaches in this league on Shador Sanders. Both really like him. Great kid, bigger than you think, incredibly accurate, mature. So what happens is we'll nitpick. We did this with Andrew Luck. You start nitpicking them and you're like give me a break. Caleb Williams. You start nitpicking and then also. So just let the quarterback. I think what's going to happen over the next two months is going to be fascinating because we don't have a dominant one. And I think you're going to hear some things on Cam Ward and Shedure and Kyle McCord and Riley Leonard and the kid at Louisville. Just let, let's let it develop.
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J. Mac
I like Glass Half Full Colin today. After the flat tire fiasco from last night, you kind of bounced back strong. It's good being very positive today.
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Colin Cowherd
Bit of a Renaissance man.
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Colin Cowherd
Mark Sanchez last hour Luca and The Lakers and LeBron insult like tonight to face the Jazz again. The not very good young with a lot of draft capital. Utah Jazz J. Mac with the news. No no no.
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Mark Sanchez
Turn on the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
This is the Herd line news.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Mr. Cowherd.
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J. Mac
The jets are moving on from Aaron Rodgers after his two, can we call them tumultuous seasons in New York. Yeah, tumultuous failure, whatever you want to use. We don't know what Rogers is going to do next, but he definitely wants to keep playing according to Jay Glazer. Steve Young, former NFL quarterback, spoke to what the future could look like for Rodgers and talked about his changing mindset game.
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Steve Young
Tom Brady said it best. The flats are always open, the middle of field is unpatrolled and no one can hit me. And by the way, I make $50 million. So I think that Aaron because he's healthy a full year look the Mobility is down everything else. But if you can get to a place that understands the position has innovative mindsets, there's more and more places like that, that, that you can get where you can take advantage of the, you know, the new football that's being played.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, you know, not just geographically isolated, but forgotten. The Seahawks have a really good roster. Are they going to run back the Geno thing? Like to me, I, they're not going back to Russell. Yeah, I, I, how many? I mean we, we like their coach. I love their gm. Stable ownership, really nice roster. What are they doing at quarterback?
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J. Mac
It's a good question. I'll run through the options.
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Colin Cowherd
All right.
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J. Mac
Sam Darnold.
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Colin Cowherd
I think if I. Seattle Indy and Seattle should make a play on Sam Darnold, Indy, Kirk Cousins. I know, I'm a fan.
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J. Mac
Strength is there outdoors. That wet weather Notch. I mean the game he ended up getting benched. Remember that throw out in the flat? There was just no juice on it. I don't know if his arm can hold up outdoors.
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Colin Cowherd
Sam Darnold had two or three great college games. Great. One of them against the Huskies in Seattle. He can play in wet weather like seven years ago.
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J. Mac
Sorry, I had to. Let me just talk. There's a long shot for your Seahawks. Daniel Jones. I know he doesn't get too many people excited.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, Clint Kubiak recently said that's a guy I want to coach. Talking about Geno Smith.
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J. Mac
Oh yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Now Seattle, Seattle does have some cap issues.
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J. Mac
So what, what about Aaron Rodgers? Let, let me. So, I mean, I keep mentioning the Niners as an option. Let me just say this. Let's say Stafford ends up getting traded to the giants like 10, chance, 20, whatever. Would Sean McVeigh say I'm going to take a chance on Aaron Rodgers. That's a winning quarterback. He's got the arm.
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Colin Cowherd
If Stafford leaves. Yeah, yeah. For a year, they would maybe rent.
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J. Mac
Him and then figure out quarterback later.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, absolutely.
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J. Mac
Because you made a good point that the Rams are not afraid to do wacky stuff. I mean Jalen Ramsey moved off. Jared Goff got rid of him. He went to a Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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J. Mac
And also there was another Cooper cup recently.
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Colin Cowherd
They're like they, they're not ask a lot. The Rams would not ask a lot of the quarterback. First of all, their defense last year, Thanksgiving on J. Mack outside of Philadelphia, it was one of the best. It was good. And their defense, unlike Phillies has got some middle to older guys like Rams is all kids and all getting better fast. So. And they have Kyron Williams and they stabilize their O line. They're going to get a left tackle with their first pick, I would imagine. So. My take is the Rams would not be asking you to carry the offense. It would be very much like Philadelphia. Come in. We're going to ask you to do a few things. Aaron Rodgers to the Rams. He has a place in Malibu. To me, feels like not a bad spot. Not a bad spot at all.
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J. Mac
Okay. I'm just making things happen out here. Let's go to the Pittsburgh Steelers next. Colin. Now this. This is a tough story for me, Zach. Really selling it hard. Just take a deep breath. They finished the regular season on a five game losing streak, lost in the first round. Fans are starting to get upset. They do not have a playoff win since 2016. One fan bought a billboard demanding the team either trade Tomlin or sell the team. Like, this is crazy. Well, I mean, Colin, people are starting to lose their minds. However, you could look at some of Tomlin's stuff. He's lost six straight in the playoffs. 8 and 11 in the postseason. 28 different head coaches have won a playoff game since Tomlin's last playoff win.
- [30:16]
Colin Cowherd
By the way, that's not much of a billboard location. It's next to a chain link fence. That thing could be. That thing could be next to a garbage dump. I mean, it's. It's barely off the ground four feet. It's like the worst billboard placement I've ever seen.
- [30:29]
J. Mac
Well, we need to. We need to zoom out on that one for some more. Maybe it's near a highway. Where are you on Tomlin?
- [30:35]
Colin Cowherd
I. I don't.
- [30:35]
J. Mac
I mean, I get their frustration. They're in the playoffs every year. It was irrelevant.
- [30:39]
Colin Cowherd
It was Pete Carroll in Seattle. Good. Coach, it's time.
- [30:42]
J. Mac
You think it's time now?
- [30:43]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [30:44]
J. Mac
So you want to move off Travis Kelce and Mike Tomlin. That's the show today, by the way.
- [30:48]
Colin Cowherd
Hall of Fame level. Like Pete Carroll in Seattle. It was time.
- [30:51]
J. Mac
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Which doesn't mean he can't coach.
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J. Mac
I'm not running off Mike Tomlin.
- [30:54]
Colin Cowherd
I'm not running.
- [30:55]
J. Mac
Replacing him with.
- [30:57]
Colin Cowherd
I don't know.
- [30:59]
J. Mac
Who are you? The New York Giants?
- [31:00]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Let's get rid of Saquon Martin.
- [31:02]
Colin Cowherd
Who knew?
- [31:02]
J. Mac
What's our game plan? Devin Singletary.
- [31:04]
Colin Cowherd
Who knew who Kevin Stefanski was before Kevin Stamanski? I didn't know who Sean McVay was. I'd heard his name. The idea. I mean, did you know before he became a hotshot three years ago, who The Bears new coach was. Did you know who Bobby Slowik was? Liam Cohen. Two years ago he was in the Rams, but people weren't talking about him.
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J. Mac
I mean, but it's one. A lot of those teams didn't have a great coach. Before you talk about Mike Tomlin, how many times do we say you don't want to follow up a superstar, a Hall of Famer following Belichick. How'd that work out for Mayo? One and done. You follow Tomlin and miss the playoffs? After all he does is make the playoffs, you're toast. I mean, I know that it hasn't been great. I'm a keep Mike Tomlin guy. I'm sorry. I would, I would retake.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not demanding it. They're not falling apart. I think they're tone deaf to offense. I think the culture's all defense. I mean, remember Jimmy Johnson replaced Tom Landry. I mean, okay, Belichick got replaced. Danny Reid got replaced. It's not an indictment. I mean, Eric Spoelstra, Steve Kerr, Gregg Popovich, everybody in the NBA gets replaced except those three guys.
- [32:15]
J. Mac
I mean, the Dolphins move on from Don Shula and It took like 25 years to win a playoff game. Like, it's really tough when you run off a legend. I, I understand the frustration. I'm just going to remind people the jets have the longest postseason drought in professional sports in America. Okay. They haven't been since Mark Sanchez took them there. We would kill for six straight playoff runs the way Tomlin, even though he's losing, like, just be happier in the postseason. No, not everybody's winning a Super Bowl.
- [32:41]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, if you're the Jags, the Steelers standard is just be happy you're in. I think you have to be honest about Pittsburgh. Lamar Jackson and Joe burrow are top five quarterbacks. You are at best going to have the third best quarterback in that division for the foreseeable future. Five years to 10 minimum. Now, with Bradshaw, you had a 10, 12 year run, you had the best quarterback. With Big Ben, 15 year run, you had the best quarterback. But Pittsburgh's history is when they do not have the best quarterback in the division, they do not hoist trophies, and they're not going to find anybody in the next couple of years that's as good as Joe Burrow, who's historically good, or Lamar Jackson, who is historically good. They're not. They're going to have the third best court. Thank God Cleveland's a tire fire.
- [33:29]
J. Mac
Well, the way to get get that quarterback is to just say you Know what? We're going to punt this season. We're going to reboot. We're trading TJ Watt, we're moving off Pickens, we're going to bottom out. And next year, we got the number two pick, Arch Manning. Come on down to the Steel City.
- [33:44]
Colin Cowherd
I would do that. I would sell.
- [33:46]
J. Mac
Easier said than done.
- [33:47]
Colin Cowherd
I would do it, but it's in Pittsburgh.
- [33:50]
J. Mac
Pride.
- [33:51]
Colin Cowherd
When's the last time the Steelers were awful? I can't even think of a year. I don't even know what the year is.
- [33:56]
J. Mac
Thanks to Mike Tomlin, largely right.
- [33:58]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I think there's a lot of components. I think they've been well run, well owned, smartly. I mean, I think they draft at a very. I just. When I'm watching that offense, how many years now can they not get the O line right? I mean, Andy Reid needs help on the O line. By next year, the Chiefs will have a good O line. That's what they do.
- [34:20]
J. Mac
Final story is the Dallas Mavericks catching a lot of heat for trading Luka Doncic. Remember we talked about this? Following Monday's loss to the Kings, Jason Kidd declined talking to the media afterwards. And things are getting worse. Colin. There is now a report that not only Anthony Davis could be out a month, but it sounds like PJ Washington's going to miss time. Gafford's going to be out two weeks. No, their season lively's out to the rest of the regular season.
- [34:48]
Colin Cowherd
Dallas is done. They're cooked.
- [34:49]
J. Mac
And Jason Kidd now has responded saying, I'm the one who gets the groceries and I got to figure out how to use it. I don't want to be the one that's buying the groceries. That is. He doesn't want to be the. The gm. This is.
- [35:03]
Colin Cowherd
They're done.
- [35:04]
J. Mac
I don't think they're making the playoffs.
- [35:05]
Colin Cowherd
They're not. All their best players are out. They're done.
- [35:08]
J. Mac
And their merch schedule, I looked at it. It is like. Like seven really good teams or good players you're facing.
- [35:14]
Colin Cowherd
Hey, Max. Chris. Max Christie. Lean on him.
- [35:17]
J. Mac
He might be their starting starting point guard. Or if something happens to Kyrie. I don't know who they have tonight, but they're in action.
- [35:24]
Colin Cowherd
I mean, think about this. Think about Dallas. Are they going to become Chicago, South Chicago? All their teams are bad. Now, the Cubs did have a nice pickup in the off season, but all their teams are bad. Dallas is not a top 10 team in the NFC. They're definitely not a top five. The Mavericks season is over. Thank God for the Stars.
- [35:42]
J. Mac
I mean, are the stars good?
- [35:44]
Colin Cowherd
Well, they were a couple years ago.
- [35:46]
J. Mac
A couple years ago? Who's your center, Mike? Madonna, Sega, Sega Genesis. Old video game joke. I'm sure someone's gonna try to rip me on the Internet for not knowing that. But that's the last time I paid attention to hockey. Sorry.
- [35:57]
Colin Cowherd
Mavs host the warriors tonight.
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J. Mac
Should we lay the camera?
- [36:01]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, I want to bet. Warriors. Let's do it. What's the. What's the number?
- [36:04]
J. Mac
I gotta call it up.
- [36:05]
Colin Cowherd
What's the number?
- [36:06]
J. Mac
Come on, man. Give me 10 seconds here.
- [36:10]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, fill the voice. Warriors minus seven.
- [36:15]
J. Mac
That's your guess? Okay, I am seeing there's a lot of games tonight. Where the hell is. Oh, where's -6 and a half? Look at you now. It's in Dallas.
- [36:24]
Colin Cowherd
So what?
- [36:25]
J. Mac
So we're laying it with Jimmy Buckets and Steph Curry. Steph against Clay. Yeah. Yeah. Let's take it.
- [36:29]
Colin Cowherd
Fans are too busy protesting to boo, scream support.
- [36:33]
J. Mac
What are you going to do? A grand on the Warriors.
- [36:35]
Colin Cowherd
A grand? You ever bet a grand?
- [36:37]
J. Mac
As a joke, Regular season NBA.
- [36:39]
Colin Cowherd
You bet a lot more than me. You bet.
- [36:41]
J. Mac
Not doing that. Not regular season NBA.
- [36:42]
Mark Sanchez
No way.
- [36:43]
J. Mac
That's suicidal.
- [36:45]
Colin Cowherd
And by the way, Kyrie, you see how many minutes he's been playing? Like 42 minutes in February.
- [36:51]
J. Mac
Not good.
- [36:52]
Colin Cowherd
And he has an injury history.
- [36:53]
J. Mac
They're falling off a puff.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news.
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J. Mac
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J. Mac
Saturday on Fox Primetime Hoops. Two of the Big Ten's best go head to head at 7:30 Eastern. 11th ranked Michigan State takes on Illinois.
- [39:05]
Colin Cowherd
Can I give you a gem a nine month ahead of schedule. Jim, can I if I say this.
- [39:12]
J. Mac
Please do.
- [39:13]
Colin Cowherd
I'm not going to tell you my source. Illinois football makes the playoff next year. Go look at their schedule. Return the entire O line. Look at the. I looked at their schedule last night. They miss on all the team.
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J. Mac
Illinois. Well what's. Well, you got to be honest. What's going on with all this? Chicago love. Chicago love Bears. Illinois. Illinois making the playoffs. I'll take that bet. I'll give you odds too.
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Saquon Barkley
Okay.
- [39:38]
Colin Cowherd
Right now do it.
- [39:39]
J. Mac
Owe me a 17th steak dinner, would you?
- [39:41]
Colin Cowherd
Okay. Say it right now. Go look at what they return. Go look. Do it just on on the air as I rant this. Go look at it real quick.
- [39:48]
J. Mac
You rant.
- [39:48]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, I'm rant because I want to talk about this. So Matt Patricia has just been named the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. And for the record, Indiana made the playoff basketball school. You don't think Illinois can. I'll get to that in a second. So Matt Patricia going to get so I think Ryan Day tried the NFL thing with Chip Kelly and went hell. It really helps. And now with nil what you're seeing in college football, these programs now are hiring NFL GMs who are out of work or you know, they're kind of banging around and scouting they're not the gm. They're hiring them. So college football is really grabbing NFL people. I think it's really smart. Green Bay, by the way, remember, they went and got Boston College's head coach. They made him a defensive coordinator. And I think Ryan Day looked at Chip Kelly and thought, it's a different level of intellect, experience. They understand the pro game. My guys are all getting paid now. So Matt Patricia may not be a guy who is a head coach. We know he's not a good oc, but as a DC, I think he's fantastic. And I. This is one of the cool things, what's happening with college football is that, you know, it was always college football. Could borrow some, you know, NFL sometimes borrowed stuff from college football. College football now is going up and taking NFL guys out. And what you're going to see is some of these college coaches who don't want to deal with all the nil. And their take is, if I'm going to be coaching in a league where guys are getting paid, I'll just go to the NFL. Now, that doesn't mean every college coach can be an NFL coach. But Matt Patricia, I think we'll be pretty good. I just. Matt Patricia is the classic excellent coordinator. Never worked as a head coach. He's a little gruff. Reportedly, he and Stafford weren't tight. I mean, I thought Belichick moving him to OC was bizarre. I didn't get that. He doesn't have the sensibility or the personality to be an offensive coach. He's kind of a gruff, tough guy, smart guy. He's a D.C. by the way. By the way, go look at the schedule. Go look at the schedule for next year. Move it up a little bit here. Guy on the screen. So they don't face Michigan, they don't face Oregon. They don't. They get Ohio State at home. And then it looks like a basketball schedule. All these W's. Illinois is going to make the tournament next year. They get USC at home, semi tough. They're. They have one big game on the schedule. You're like, oh, and they host Ohio State. Folks, I just hand out money on this show. It's all I do.
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J. Mac
You know the saying, never get high on your own supply.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
I think you're all excited that you nailed a bunch of NFL stuff a year early and you're trying to call your shot. Colin, Illinois to win the natty.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, plus 20.
- [42:39]
J. Mac
North Carolina's got better routes. BYU, Georgia Tech. Colin, this is. This is not one of your good takes, bro.
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Colin Cowherd
To win the Natty.
- [42:46]
J. Mac
But you, you get in the mix, right? They don't have to get to the playoff odds. At least at the shops.
- [42:51]
Colin Cowherd
I'm looking at the Indiana Hoosiers made the playoff.
- [42:55]
J. Mac
Listen, how's this? We'll, we'll just have fun with it.
- [42:59]
Colin Cowherd
Go look at what they return on the offensive line.
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J. Mac
Yeah. Okay. I would give you like 10 to 1 odds, you know, on this to make the playoffs. Yeah. You give me a thousand, I'll give you 10,000 if Illinois makes a playoff.
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Colin Cowherd
Say it again.
- [43:14]
J. Mac
Well, maybe I shouldn't say that. We'll talk off air. There's no chance of this.
- [43:19]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, Tell me what it. Tell me again.
- [43:21]
J. Mac
We'll talk about it off air. I should not.
- [43:22]
Colin Cowherd
I don't know. Let's do it for America to watch.
- [43:24]
J. Mac
No, let's not. Let's not. Plus I got to clear that with the wife. You know, it's five figure sums. Any NFL bets that are significant? I got no. Okay, Colin, this is.
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Colin Cowherd
How about.
- [43:33]
J. Mac
I'm looking at Pro Football Focus. Did their top 25 preseason. Illinois does not sniff it. I'm looking at top 10 players in college football. I don't see any Illinois guys. I don't know where you're getting this, but you do have some sources. So I've got to respect it. And I'm gonna hold off. I'm gonna stand down on our.
- [43:48]
Colin Cowherd
I'll make you a bet. I. Let's bet your share of that Mexican soccer team.
- [43:52]
J. Mac
That's definitely not happening.
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Rich Davis
Okay.
- [43:54]
J. Mac
No, that's not okay.
- [43:55]
Colin Cowherd
I'm just throwing it out there.
- [43:56]
J. Mac
Illinois, I like it.
- [43:58]
Colin Cowherd
Maybe I'll unveil my source tomorrow. I'll unveil my source tomorrow.
- [44:04]
J. Mac
I'm not going to give you Jeff George, your source.
- [44:07]
Colin Cowherd
I'm not giving you all my stuff in one day. I got to, I got. I'm on tomorrow and get a week off. I got to. There's not a lot going on now I got to extend my sourcing.
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J. Mac
I like this. Bold. That is. That's as bold as it gets.
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Colin Cowherd
It's funny though, with Matt Patricia going to college like Ryan Day was. Just think about how crazy football is. Ryan Day was in big trouble. 20 point favorite at home beat by Michigan. He was, he was in huge trouble. And then Tennessee, you're like, oh, holy hell. They're. They're ticked off. And then Oregon. Whoa, what did I just watch? It is amazing. What is happening to college football is now you guys gotta take a chill pill on your Buckeye Reddit. Boards. The bottom line. Now you're playing 15 games in a schedule. It used to be you paid 11, you played 12. Now you're playing 15. Regular season losses do not define you. The first year we had the College Football Playoff, the first year it became the NFL playoffs, you can stink in December. Last year at this time, Chiefs lost to the Raiders in December and won the Super Bowl. So Ryan Day went from the hottest seat imaginable to a contract extension in two months. It is they were so bad against Michigan and then beat Oregon like a drum crush Tennessee. It's just college football. Like it or not. Between paying the players and the coaches and the playoff, it is now it's pro football. I mean it's basically high end, amateur, low end pro football, college football.
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