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Colin Cowherd
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Doug Gottlieb
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Tom Brady
Let's go.
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Colin Cowherd
The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10. Well, Seattle's not going to win shootouts. They're.05 if they're asked to score, if they give up more than 25 points. And Geno Smith has been sacked 19 times in the last four games. He throws too many picks. But I like the coaching staff. I like their perimeter talent at wide receiver and corner their pass rush better than it was in previous years. They're a top 10 team. I don't know if they can win a playoff game. Maybe. But I'll put Seattle at 10. Number nine. I like Denver. I think they have one of the best coaches, maybe the best coach after Andy Reid in the NFL. They've won five of seven games. Their only losses to Baltimore and Kansas city. Bo Nix, 8 and 3 over his last 11 games does not make a lot of Mistakes Their offensive line quietly. Sean Payton, an offensive coach has rebuilt it in two years. PFF has it at number two. Denver at nine. Number eight, Baltimore. Listen, their only team in the league averaging 400 yards. Mark Andrews, Lamar Jackson, Zay Flowers, Derek Henry. There's a lot to like special teams. Bit of a liability now. Justin Tucker. It's called age mid-30s. And the back end of the defense outside of Kyle Hamilton worries me. I'm going to put him there. Their scoring defense is bottom quarter of the league so that worries me. It's like having a bad bullpen. You can outplay people and lose games. I have Baltimore at eight. Number seven, Sammy Darnold. Eventually I was right. He's a baller. Leads the NFL with 46 completions of 20 plus yards. This is not a dink and dunk offense. They will throw the. I think Kevin O'Connell is really a spectacular coach. They are seven one in one score games. That's not just Darnold that is coaching Vikings at seven. Number six, Pittsburgh Steelers. I think their ceilings a little bit low, but they're 50 against teams that are.500 or better. It's a classic Mike Tomlin recipe. His teams have always played well as underdogs or backed into a corner. Russell Wilson say what you want. Passer rating in the fourth quarter of 120. He's good when it matters and to me that's a team that can win a playoff game or two. Number five, Green Bay. They're still a tad young. Are they a Super bowl team? Boy, does Jordan Love have a whip. Man, he's got some talent. They become a power run team now. They play at Detroit Thursday. I actually kind of like them in that spot. They're top five in total offense and rushing offense. They become more of a power running team now with Josh Jacobs and I'm here for it. I do feel they're still a year off. Green Bay at five. Number four. Okay, my my final four teams are the teams I think can win a Super Bowl. Kansas City. Listen, he's been sacked. Patrick Mahomes has five times in back to back games. I don't like the protection right now at offensive tackle. They're getting Isaiah Pacheco back. That helps play action. 11 one in one score games. Their point differential is the lowest ever for an 111 team. I don't love that but I trust Andy Reid, Mahomes, Kelsey, Chris Jones and Spags. I have them at four. Number three. Detroit's getting banged up on the defensive end. That worries Me third. Toughest schedule remaining. Will they get knocked out of the perch and will Philadelphia to be a number one seed? They've led by 10 plus points in 10 of 11 games, so they usually play with a lead. Probably won't be like that in the playoffs. I think Thursday is fascinating. I have Detroit at three, number two, Philadelphia. They figured out Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts. 20 touchdowns, one pick in his eight game winning streak. I don't want him throwing 30 times. I don't want Brady's and Mannings throwing 40 times. They figured it out. By the way, this team's 90 when A.J. brown plays. I've never seen a great team led by a receiver, but they don't lose when he plays. I have Philadelphia two. Number one, Buffalo. I think it's the best version of Buffalo. I like that they have James Cook, Dalton Kincaid. They've missed multiple good players during this stretch. I love Josh Allen and he's matured. He's not as reckless as he once was. I think they have their best offensive line, their best running game. You know, when they, when Josh first got there, all their best players felt like defensive guys. Now I think many of their best players are offensive guys and they're getting healthier on the defensive side. Let's put Buffalo at number one again. I generally, in my herd hierarchy think about three to four teams can hoist a trophy. I don't think Green Bay can. Or Pittsburgh. They're darn close at five and six respectively. And with that, Tom Brady, 23 years, seven rings, most super bowl wins, passing yards, touchdowns. You know it. Okay, so, you know, I'm, I'm, I'll get to Michigan, Ohio State because I, I won't be able to wipe the smile off of you. That was nuts. I want to start with this, the late hit on Trevor Lawrence. So I got mixed emotions. I want my quarterback to have some mobility, but I also think you leave the pocket, Tom, and you're a running back. Where are you on this hit?
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Tom Brady
That's a, that's a great question. I've watched, obviously been a part of the NFL for a long time. And I remember there was an instance, there's. I'll start by saying there's mixed emotions that I have about it as well. I remember in 2001, I think we played at Buffalo and I slid late and Nate Clements was the corner for the Bills and he came up out of the secondary and absolutely crushed me. My helmet went flying off and I got back and I ran to the huddle and I had a lot of teammates that came up to me the next day and said, dude, these guys are coming. You got to get rid of that football, and if you're going to slide, you better get down. These guys are coming to get you. And it was a great kind of learning experience for me because I realized that when I'm out of that pocket, things were moving a lot faster for me and.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Tom Brady
And the defense is trying to be very aggressive. And over time, the NFL has obviously done a lot of things to, you know, protect players and player health and safety. It's been on and on and on. And the only aspect that I think is very challenging and certainly for Trevor Lawrence, nobody wants to see anybody get hurt. But it is also the reality of a very physical sport that we play. Yeah, but the only way defensive players have to be aggressive, that's their nature. I always try to be aggressive on offense. We tried to block aggressively, and at the same time, the defense tries to tackle aggressively. So I don't know. There's an aspect to me that I think the quarterbacks and certainly the quarterbacks need to take better care of themselves. I've seen Josh Allen running a lot. I see Lamar Jackson running a lot. And it's a great skill set to have. A lot of times I wish I had that skill set. And at the same time, when you run, you put yourself in a lot of danger. And when you do that, I don't think the onus of protecting an offensive quarterback who's running should be on a defensive player. I don't think that's really fair to the defense. So if you slide and it's, you know, everyone can argue, was it black and white or was it just a gray area? Do you slide late or is it unnecessary roughness or is it a late hit? You know, to me, a late hit is very late. You know, there's quarterbacks that I see running and tiptoe on the sideline and they're not even out of bounds and they get hit as they're starting to step out of bounds and there's a penalty flag thrown. So the aspect, again, for a play caller, there's more design runs for quarterbacks ever now than in the history of the NFL. So are we really trying to protect quarterbacks? Because if you are trying to do it through the rules, then why are the offensive coordinators not protecting their quarterbacks by keeping them in the pocket and not designing as many quarterback runs? So, yeah, I. I think there's just. It's gone to a point where there's really, it's. And everyone would label a certain player as a dirty player. You know, I don't like that one bit. I, you know, maybe they fine or penalize a quarterback for sliding late, you know, and say, look, we, if we don't want these hits to take place, we've got to penalize the offense and the defense rather than just penalize a defensive player for every single play that happens when there's a hit on a quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm, I said this last week. I said, you know, I'm. I was thinking about this. Go back to Lombardi. The dynasties in league history are Green Bay with Lombardi, Steelers, Patriots, Chiefs, Ravens have always been great. And then the Niners in Dallas. And as you know, growing up in the Bay, I joke that Mark Twain used to say that the coldest winter he ever spent was a summer in the Bay. And Dallas gets ice storms. There's never been a warm weather dynasty. And I'm watching the Niners play the Bills. And Tom, the Bills look like when you're eight years old and it snows for the first time and you go with your friends in the backyard, they were having the time of their lives. And I think it matters. I think Buffalo now with James Cook. Tom, did you feel.
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Tom Brady
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
When you played Peyton SEC dome team, did you feel it was an advantage?
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Tom Brady
Absolutely. I felt like that was a great advantage that we always had, which is why those regular season games were. If they were in Foxboro, they were obviously advantage for us. But if it was early in the season, the weather wasn't that critical. I think you use the weather to your advantage. And I, Even when I went to Tampa, I would say there was an advantage being a warm weather team playing against a team that was coming from the north of the northeast. So you use what you have to an advantage, and that's because your body acclimates to it. I saw in that Niner Bill game there were a lot of 49er players that were slipping on the turf.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Tom Brady
And not a lot of Bills players that were slipping on the turf. And the point is, is when you're in those environments, you know exactly what shoes to wear, you know how many layers that you have to put on in order to get the job done. So when you have those climates, that's what you try to play too. I knew for me, I knew how many hand warmers I needed in my, in my quarterback pouch per 10 degrees. For every 10 degrees that the weather dropped below 70, I'd put one heat back. So if it was, you know, 40 degrees, it would be 60, 50, 40 degrees. I'd put three heat packs just to keep a consistent temperature for my hand. So those are all the things you learn over time through a lot of trial and error, through a lot of days in practice. And that's where you get a home field. So if you're Buffalo or the Chiefs and you play in this cold weather year round, you better believe you have an advantage playoff time when a team that comes from a warmer climate comes and plays you at your home stadium.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm watching Bo Nicks last night. Now, he had 61 college starts. That helps a lot. You did not have this as an advantage. You had a defensive coach, a defensive culture, do your job. There was some rigidity to the culture you were in offensively until Moss arrived and you broke every record. But I watched Bo Nicks and you know what I took from it, Tom, last night? My one takeaway. Sean Payton with a lead against Miles Garrett had this kid thrown from the end zone. And I'm like, wow, that, that, that. There's no babysitting there. Like I. That's what you could do. You don't let. Rookie quarterback. That was my takeaway. Was okay, Sean, totally trust this kid. What was your takeaway? Watching him.
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Tom Brady
That's a great point. And it's the trust that a coach has in a player. You can. It manifests itself all the time. I can always tell when I watch a play caller try to manage a game from the sideline, he's trying to manage the risk. And when you have a quarterback where you feel like, you know what I know he's going to make good decisions, well, then you can actually go out there and you don't have to manage. It's hard to manage a quarterback because you're in the eye of the storm on every play you touch the ball, 70 snaps. So when you have a quarterback that you're trusting who's making good decisions, well, then you want to give them more opportunities. So. And I see that with a lot of play callers as well. When they do trust them. Let's spread. Let's be an empty. Let me give you five different options. Let me get it. Get you out there on the perimeter to make good throws. I'm going to have you manage end of game situations. That takes a great developmental coach and I would say Sean Payton certainly is that. He's a phenomenal coach and a quarterback that wants to embrace that opportunity to learn a skill set of how to manage A game. Not just, hey, coach, what's the play? Tell me what to do, Coach. Tell me the play. But why are we calling that play? Why are we in this situation? Why don't we understand the why behind what we're doing? How do we beat man coverage? How do we beat zone coverage? Why are we calling this play in this situation? And then, okay, I understand why you're doing that. So if we don't get the look we want, I can manage the play as a quarterback and get to the next down while still making a positive play.
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Colin Cowherd
So Michigan has beaten Ohio State four straight times. And I do believe one time last year, Michigan just had far better players. They were stacked. But generally, I think Ohio State has an edge in personnel. It can be slight, but I do feel they feel more SEC than Big Ten the way they recruit. But the difference is Michigan's had an identity with Harbaugh early, middle and late, and he just handed that identity to his new coach. Ohio State's talented, but I don't know what they are. And I think to myself, you've told me this and so has Edelman, that every Patriot team had a different identity. I feel like I've been watching Ohio State for five years. I'm like, yeah, they're talented. What are they? How do you. How did Belichick create it? How do you create. Because there's a lot of. A lot of coaches can recruit in college. The great ones, you know, the Urbans and the Knicks, create the identity and recruit. How do you do it?
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Tom Brady
I think a lot of is you define the type of player that you want and you define the type of team you want to build, and then you find players that, that have those skill sets physically and those values kind of mentally, emotionally. Michigan is a very tough, hard nosed team. They run the ball very well. You know, they haven't been great throwing the ball, but if I looked at Ohio State strengths and we says they have a great 7 on 7 team, they got guys they can throw the ball to in the second half. They don't even target their best players. So to me, it's like, I may as well have been out there playing receiver for Ohio State. I can't run, I couldn't catch, but it doesn't matter if you don't throw me the ball. Just like they didn't throw a lot of their best players the ball in the second half of that game. So whenever we got to big games, let's say the super bowl, you'd say there's 70 plays left in the game, in our season, the entire six months of work, seven months of work is going to come down to 70 plays. What do we want those 70 plays to look like? And then you reverse engineer it and you say, okay, we're going to want 40 passes and 30 runs. Well, what 40 passes do we want? We could design 150 of them if you want. Now there's 110 of those that won't get called. So why don't we just dial it down and dial it back to the only the specific ones where our best players are going to touch the ball doing the best things that they do. And we're going to go out like that. If we lose, we lose. If we win, you know, great. But we're not going to lose doing things that we don't do well. And I think the coaches, Coach Belichick would always say coaches lose games and players win games.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Tom Brady
And he didn't mean to say that coaches are not valuable. Coaches need to put their players in a position to win. They do instruct you. They give you. This is the plan. It's up to the coach to clearly identify a plan every week about how you're going to win the game. We would come in on a Wednesday morning and I thought the best thing that Coach Belichick did, and there was a lot of them, was he would clearly define for offense, defense and special teams. This is how we're going to win the game this week. Don't worry about last week, don't worry about next week. This unique challenge that we have today, or, excuse me, on a Sunday, we're going to deal with that based on these three or four areas on each sides of the ball and in the kicking game. And if we execute in these areas, we're going to give ourselves a great chance to win. It doesn't mean we're guaranteed to win. And there's times where we can mis. Evaluate what those things are. I'll never forget we played the Chiefs once and we doubled. I think Travis Kelce a bunch and not Tyreek Hill. Maybe the one of the early times we played Tyree Kill and he went for like 180 or 200 something crazy. He came in the next day and he says, hey, guys, we're never doing that again. We screwed that up. If we play these guys again, we know who we're going to double and it's going to be Tyreek Hill. So it's just, you got to have some formula for what you're trying to accomplish. What's the bullseye that we need to hit and we need to get the coaches to deliver that to the players in all three phases of the game for them to go out there so that they have something to hit. And if they do that and you identify it clearly, I think you give your team a great chance to win.
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Colin Cowherd
So Nick Wright was on before me and he posed this question. So Kansas City is 111 and they're winning by paper, thin margin. Of all your teams, the team that blew people out was the Randy Moss teams. There's no ring. Your 0304 team, you were winning close games. And so this Chiefs team is the closest to your team. I want you to take me back. People keep saying, well the Chiefs are lucky. And I'm like timeout. That block, field goal, that was coaching. Third down efficiency. That is coaching. I don't want to hear luck. That's even Rubik's cubes and roulette. There's some strategy to it. Right. Did you feel that 0304 team, did you feel like, you know what? Close game, we're winning it. We're just better than everybody at it?
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Tom Brady
Definitely. I think that look, there's. You're going to have a close games, you're going to blowouts. To win the close games is always the mark of a really good team. To win when you're not playing your best football is the mark of a very good team. I just think the Chiefs are so dangerous because if it's a one score game in the fourth quarter and Patrick has the ball, he just. He's incredible. He comes. Not that he comes life because he comes alive all day long, but he's so dangerous because then he has four downs, you know, late in the game where you got to stop him for four downs, not three.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Tom Brady
And that's a dangerous aspect for any defense you have to kind of pull away from and that they're hard, you know, it's a hard team to pull away from because they do such a good job defensively. So I think when they transition from really this great offensive team and I would say when Patrick first started they weren't as good on defense. Now they have a tremendous defense. They got Spags is a phenomenal coach. He's got him playing well defensively. Patrick is going to manage the game so well. He's going to throw to the open guy when it's there. He's got Travis out there that is going to make the right decisions in the big moments like we've seen time and time again. So they have a group of players that, that organization does so many things the right way, they're going to be tough to beat in the playoffs. I don't care who they play, where they play. It's. It's. It's a lot like the teams that I played for at the Patriots. If you were going to beat us, man, you had to beat us. We weren't going to beat ourselves.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, was Vrabel a good sport when you texted him after the Michigan win? Did he take it well? I bet he didn't. Did he?
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Tom Brady
I have very little comments on that because a lot of the times Braves will somehow figure out how to turn. Turn it on you. And then you're the, you know, you're the jerk that texted him. So sometimes I lay back on him. But he's a typical Ohio State guy. Let me say that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they're all the same, Tom. Believe me, I've worked with them. The Michigan guys bring a different level of class. I'll just say that. There we go.
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Tom Brady
Yeah, Absolutely.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Great seeing you, man.
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Tom Brady
Hey, Colin, great seeing you, buddy. Great being on your show. I appreciate it.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Love having you, Tom Brady. Yeah, the. That I still cannot. It was funny when Michigan beat Ohio State, everybody went on the Internet, went crazy, and I was literally like, I gotta sleep on this. I don't know what to say. Now I'm watching the strange. I cannot believe that game. I literally, the next morning got up to work out and I thought, okay, I got something to say.
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Doug Gottlieb
Now can I give you an alternative theory? People are not gonna like this.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Doug Gottlieb
With the 12 team playoff, this was not must win for Ohio State. I know it's the biggest game in the sport and it's massive and they were geeked for it.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow. But I don't buy that.
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Doug Gottlieb
All I'll just say is I didn't see anything exotic or creative at all from the Ohio State offense. No plays, nothing. I mean, they couldn't move the football.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it was must win for the staff, but I don't think it ends the season. There's a difference.
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Doug Gottlieb
So losing that didn't kill them. And obviously you want to win that game.
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Colin Cowherd
I know.
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Doug Gottlieb
I'm not saying anybody.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no.
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Doug Gottlieb
Wasn't locked in.
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Colin Cowherd
For Ryan Day, it's the biggest game of his life.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, he said that.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, But I will say it does not eliminate them. I could use. I. It's like when Texas got Boat Race by Georgia. I said, I'm like, oh, that's great. Because when they play them again and they probably will. I mean, aren't they playing them now? Yeah, I think Advantage Texas. Texas has an advantage. Not only were they beaten, they were physically humiliated. Not only did Ohio State lose to Michigan, they lost at home to a team that couldn't pass. It's humiliating. So Ryan Day can come in guns a blazing as a coach. So I think in a weird way it eliminates pressure. The pressure now is on Oregon. It's on Texas. It's not on Georgia. It's not on Ohio State.
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, is Georgia locked for the playoffs? I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I'm just saying if you told me who's got pressure? Pressure is not on Ohio State anymore.
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, there can't be.
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Colin Cowherd
The pressure's on Texas and Oregon.
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Doug Gottlieb
Are we 100% sure Ohio State's in the playoff? I think they're good. Okay, so there's no pressure on them.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jon Stewart
Hey, this is Levar Arrington here from up on Game and listen, I want to talk to you about something very serious for a minute, all right? Something personal to me and right now something that should be personal to you as well. In our country, the hate is at an all time high and it's like we're going backward. The hate is winning. We can't allow that, all right? It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate and it's enough. It's time for it to stop. We need to stop, regroup, change the momentum as a team, because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team. So let's act like it. And when a team can't get it together, what do you do? You call a timeout. And that's what we need to do. Call a time out against hate let's think about what we say and do. And when we see hate, when we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong and hateful, we need to call it out. I'ma call it out. You need to do the same thing. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me and calling for a timeout against hate by following at what's up with Hate? Or posting the Blue Square emoji Jon.
- [30:12]
Nick Wright
Stewart is back in the host chair at the Daily show, which means he's also back in our ears on the Daily Show Ears Edition Podcast the Daily Show Podcast has every everything you need to stay on top of today's news and pop culture. You get hilarious satirical takes on entertainment, politics, sports and more from John and the team of correspondents and contributors. The podcast also has content you can't get anywhere else, like extended interviews and a roundup of the weekly headlines. Listen to the Daily Show Ears edition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [30:51]
Colin Cowherd
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- [31:15]
Doug Gottlieb
Let's get to the 49ers Colin what a promising start to the season. It's all awry. Christian McCaffrey is headed to the IR, but not only that, Jordan Mason, his backup tough runner. He's also IR bound. The Niners are 5 and 7 tied for last in the NFC west or no, sorry, just last place at the NFC West. And the injuries are just such an issue. Former 49er Dante Whitner believes the team needs a defensive overhaul heading into 2025.
- [31:42]
Colin Cowherd
Yep, they say it. The 49er season is over and the super bowl hangover is real. This 49ers roster doesn't have the depth and particularly on the defensive side of.
- [31:56]
Tom Brady
All going into next season.
- [31:58]
Colin Cowherd
There's no guarantee that this 49ers team is just going to get back to their championship aspiration in winning ways. This roster is going to need an overhaul focusing on top tier talent on the interior of this defensive line and quality depth at all positions. Well, tell me there. I can give you six different Eagles in their prime that are elite players and six to seven Lions give me the best players. And I mean elite players for the Niners that are in their prime.
- [32:31]
Doug Gottlieb
Well, three of their defensive players, they're Always. Currently are only playing that were in the NFC or NFC championship last year. That's all they've got left. Everybody's banged up.
- [32:42]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [32:43]
Doug Gottlieb
But let's give. Give them a shout out. I just went back, Colin. 20, 19, 49ers lose the Super Bowl. Okay. They got to the Super Bowl. 20, 26 and 10. There were injuries. 21, lose the NFC Championship game to the Rams. 22, lose the NFC Championship. That was the Brock purdy injury game. 23, lose the Super Bowl. That's four of five years where they got to the championship or the Super Bowl. That's an amazing run. These things don't last forever. It feels over. I think it's a little more than a defensive overhaul, Colin.
- [33:13]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I also think you have a big question. Gonna pay Brock Purdy 55 million. You become the Cowboys really fast. Paying a B plus guy. A plus guy? No shot.
- [33:23]
Doug Gottlieb
He's getting 55. Nobody would do that.
- [33:26]
Colin Cowherd
Next man up.
- [33:28]
Doug Gottlieb
I would try to. I mean, I would try to move off of iuk, but that ship has sailed. Who's taking him on coming off the injury, you know?
- [33:34]
Colin Cowherd
Well, last year I would have moved off IUK or Debo. I wouldn't have drafted a receiver in the first round. I would have gone defensive line, I think the DE defensive line, when Bosa plays, it's good. When he doesn't, it's weak. I think they pay a couple of different linebackers. I think you have to make, you know, I'd move off the corner. Having great corners means nothing. The jets have the best corners in the league. It means nothing.
- [33:54]
Doug Gottlieb
How's this going? It just hit me listening to you. 49ers drafted Piersol early. They're not going well.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [34:01]
Doug Gottlieb
You need to draft for the trenches. Texans. Let's go get Stefan Diggs. How's that working out? Bills get off of a wide receiver, get better. How are they doing, the teams? Everybody's just. And we. I know it's easy to say this now, but in March and April, when this matters for free agency, we need to remember it isn't about the flashy watches and all the wide receivers.
- [34:21]
Colin Cowherd
Did Malik neighbors make the Giants offense riveting? Get your. I mean, the Giants have a bad right tackle, Evan Neal. If you don't have good tackles and a great center, I mean, it's just the reality is the closer to the football you are, generally the more you matter in football. Not the perimeters you don't need. I love having Patrick Surtan for Denver. I love having one great corner but having a great secondary doesn't mean anything. If you have one good corner, you're fine. And having great receiving cores, overrated.
- [34:52]
Doug Gottlieb
A lot of people out there listening are saying, but there's only so many good offensive linemen. No, no, no. You gotta keep going for them in multiple rounds.
- [34:59]
Colin Cowherd
By the way, Denver's got the number two rated O line. Outside of left tackle bowls. Where are all their Pro Bowlers? It's coaching. There's a reason Bill Callahan, Dante Skarnacchia, these coaches every year had. It's like anything else. You can coach up. I mean, you can't make guys faster. But offensive line is about cohesion and chemistry and intelligence. It's the coaching unit on the field. Sean Payton took that a bad old line, made it top 10 this year. They're number two. That's Sean Payton.
- [35:29]
Doug Gottlieb
The other one that's weird is the Eagles lose Kelsey. They're awesome. Center right. Everybody thinks they're going to pull back. They added Barkley and they've actually not lost a step. I think they're better than they were last. Now they did start last year 10 and 1. Right before cratering. Just remember offensive line people. Next up, here's another story. Colin, wide receiver. How's this? The Ravens acquired Deontay Johnson at the trade deadline and he has done Absolutely nothing. Four games. He's got one catch for six yards. He's played 22 snaps. And interestingly, and we touched on this yesterday, he didn't get on the field against the Eagles even after there was an injury to one of their starting receivers. John Harbaugh was asked about this. Take a listen.
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Colin Cowherd
At this time, I'm going to have to wait.
- [36:12]
Tom Brady
Just to clarify. There's. There's some moving parts there that, that we're going to have to figure out and explore and just see where we're at. I know it's not the question, the answer you want, but it's the best I can do in fairness to everybody right now.
- [36:28]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Deontay expecting to continue to be on the team at football.
- [36:31]
Tom Brady
I think like I said, we'll just work it out, see where we're at over the next few days and this week.
- [36:38]
Colin Cowherd
Well, three teams now are struggling with him. It's probably a Deontay Johnson maturity issue. I mean that this is the. All the warning signs of just, I mean, if to be as talented as him and bounce around the league as much as he has for his age, that's probably what it is.
- [36:53]
Doug Gottlieb
Needs a major wake up call. I mean, remember last Year at this time with Pittsburgh I think there was a game against the Colts and he would they just like snapped it around the goal line and he like pretended to block like you do in like practice and everybody highlighted it. You could see he just this is not good. And there's another team goal flashing wide receiver not quite panning out. Final story Colin the NFL has handed down a three game suspension to Houston linebacker Aziz Al Shayer for repeated violations of safety rules. After this just disgusting hit on Trevor Lawrence. D'Amico Ryan's unbelievably defended Al Shayer's play and now GM Nick Kaserio has followed suit. Colin I can't believe he's saying this.
- [37:36]
Colin Cowherd
Quite frankly it's embarrassing. So I think the big thing from our and they're talking about a player who's never been suspended, never been ejected. So now we're saying that he's going to be suspended for three games. All teams want this, just some level of consistency and we've talked to the league quite frankly but we don't have a good explanation. D'Amico talked to them yesterday. So I mean it is what it is. I'm sure Aziz will go through whatever process he's going to go through and then we'll deal with it accordingly. But I think what we take umbrage is just the picture that's been painted about Aziz, his intentions, who he is as a person. I mean quite frankly it's well I wouldn't have spent him three games. I think it's a one game suspension. I think it was late but it wasn't. I think a lot of this is it's Trevor Lawrence looks bad. You know he freezes up. The aesthetics of this are part of it. Now he now I would suspend him but three games.
- [38:30]
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, I got no problem with that.
- [38:32]
Colin Cowherd
That's a long Colin I don't know.
- [38:33]
Doug Gottlieb
If we have the tape but I watched it online. So the Bears Texans game, Caleb Williams got decked out of bounds. You'll never believe who did it. Al Shair. The Bears went over and were like what the hell's wrong with you? Get in his face. He punches Roshan Johnson. Now the refs missed so he wasn't ejected but he would have got ejected for that. So this argument, oh he's never been suspended, never been ejected. That's like come on, give me a break. Just because they didn't see it. I don't know that he's a dirty player but he has a dirty history this year that's undeniable there's video evidence of it. And in week two he punched a guy on the sideline. So this guy's got to clean up his act, man. That's a and we got to protect quarterbacks.
- [39:10]
Colin Cowherd
I'm not. But again, I think quarterbacks have to be more responsible. You know, Lamar Jackson used to not slide and now he slides like you. You.
- [39:20]
Doug Gottlieb
Trevor slid. What are we talking about?
- [39:22]
Colin Cowherd
He slid really late.
- [39:25]
Doug Gottlieb
Okay, if this is Patrick Mahomes getting decked, let me know.
- [39:28]
Colin Cowherd
It would be an eight game suspension season. It does matter. The aesthetics. Trevor Lawrence, he freezes up. All that stuff matters. The NFL's always been keenly aware of their television product. No question about them.
- [39:44]
Doug Gottlieb
Were you? Do you ever take any of these hits in high school when you were QB1?
- [39:47]
Colin Cowherd
I didn't run, just sat in the pocket and threw darts. J Mac with the News well, that's.
- [39:55]
Tom Brady
The news and thanks for stopping by.
- [39:57]
Colin Cowherd
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- [43:12]
Jon Stewart
Hey, this is Levar Arrington here from up on Game and listen, I want to talk to you about something very serious for a minute, all right? Something personal to me and right now something that should be personal to you as well. In our country, the hate is at an all time high and it's like we're going backward. The hate is winning. We can't allow that, all right? It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate and it's enough. It's time for it to stop. We need to stop, regroup, change the momentum as a team, because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team. So let's act like it. And when a team can't get it together, what do you do? You call a timeout. And that's what we need to do. Call a time out against hate. Let's think about what we say and do and when we see hate, when we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong and hateful, we need to call it out. I'ma call it out. You need to do the same thing. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me and calling for a timeout against hate by following at what's up with Hate? Or posting the Blue Square emoji.
- [44:29]
Nick Wright
Jon Stewart is back in the host chair at the Daily show, which means he's also back in our ears on the Daily Show Ears Edition Podcast. The Daily show podcast has every everything you need to stay on top of today's news and pop culture. You get hilarious satirical takes on entertainment, politics, sports and more from John and the team of correspondents and contributors. The podcast also has content you can't get anywhere else, like extended interviews and a roundup of the weekly headlines. Listen to the Daily Show Ears edition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [45:09]
Doug Gottlieb
Sunday, a huge doubleheader on Fox starts as the Panthers take on Jalen Hurts and the Eagles or other regional action. Then in America's game of the week, Josh Allen and the Bills take on Stafford and the Niners or Rams or Bears Niners. Check local listings for the games in your area.
- [45:26]
Colin Cowherd
Only on 5 so I kind of agree with Brady is I think on that late hit stuff there is some culpability to the quarterback. And what happens is Josh Allen does this. We got some video on, on Patrick Mahomes. Kenny Pickett did this in college. Remember? I must have showed that 100 times. So here's, here's Mahomes faking the slide. Well, you make, you make. Now you wonder why defensive players get pissed and want to hit you twice as hard. So all we've done in the NFL for a decade now is take rules that the defense could implement. And we've taken them all away. So they're all bitter. And by the way, that means they get fewer hits, fewer sacks, fewer tackles, fewer, less money. Offensive guys now make all the money. Safeties don't get paid. Linebackers, good ones don't get paid. So these defensive guys are like, wait a minute, timeout here. Who gets paid? A great pass rusher. You'll see teams move. I mean Patrick certain got paid as a corner. Most teams like Kansas City lets good corners go. San Francisco with Ward will let him go. So these defense, this comes down to money. Defensive players are like, how do we get paid? Yeah, Max Crosby gets paid or Aaron Donald in his prime. There's Always one great go. Look at the Rams, their money now that Donald left. It's all offense, the Chiefs money, Chris Jones and all offense. I mean, they're paying Joe Tuney, who's a guard. So you've changed the rules to hurt defensive players and they're not getting paid. And that's what it comes down to. So defensive guys are hyper, aggressive, they may take more chances to get interceptions. I mean, it's like when politicians say it's not about the sex or the money, it's about the sex and the money. This is a lot of, this is commerce is that defensive guys are like, we don't get paid, we can't hit anybody. And so they want to make an imprint on the games. Now, was the hit late? Yes, it was late. But a three game suspension, I mean this is a sport with regulated levels of violence. You can't hit quarterback. You'll see guys now when they hit the quarterback, if they put their body weight on them, they get penalized. Now can imagine being 310 pounds, you create inertia. You hit a quarterback and then you have to be Olga Corbett and make sure you balance your body so you don't lean on the quarterback. So I do get the frustration with defensive players. Now the hit's late. I'm acknowledging that. Three games, it's like a fifth of, the fifth of the season. I don't like that. That to me is too long. And again, Trevor and I've seen Aaron do this and Josh Allen, they slid a little late, just a half a step late. And you're asking guy. I mean, think about what a defensive player does. An offensive player is choreography. A defensive player is attack. Your job as a defensive player, Ray Lewis in his prime, blow stuff up. You're walking, you're TNT in cleats. Blow stuff up. And then you're like, hey, slow down though here. That's not a gear that's implemented very often for a defensive player. Your job is to just blow through a brick wall. Offensive players memorize the playbook. Choreography, efficiency, don't move early. So it's two different sensibilities. So I'm not defending the late hit, but three games seems way too much for me. The other thing is what the Bengals are doing this year is insane. They're 2 and 4 when scoring 33 or more points. The rest of the league is 52 1. So what Joe Burrow is doing is putting up historic numbers and they're terrible. It's almost impossible to do. And I looked this morning at the NFL standings and basically best quarterback wins the division. AFC East, Josh Allen, AFC South, C.J. stroud, AFC North. Still in play. Lamar Jackson, AFC West, Mahomes, NFC East, Jalen hurts. Baker Mayfield tied with Atlanta. The Falcons have beaten him twice, but Baker right now is the best quarterback in that division. Goff, I mean, listen, Darnold's having a great year. Goff's the best quarterback, been to a Super Bowl. He's the only division and it's still in play that you're like, well, that team, L.A. rams, Stafford, they're a game out. And so you got to have a quarterback to win in this league. We all know that. Here are three things that are really good. Number one, the quality of quarterback coaching is much better today. And I'll give you an example how I know that. Geno Smith, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, they were cast off. Even Bryce Young a year ago. Bum bust. Get him out of here. No, now you're watching the last month. You got a new coach. He can play. So the quality of quarterback coaching is better. It's allowing for reboots. Geno gets a better coach. Darnold gets a great coach. Baker gets the right coach. Guys that were done over, cast off. Nope, reborn. The second thing, and I looked this up this morning, the hit rate for quarterbacks is going up. So it used to be about a 50, 50 proposition, but guys now get more snaps in high school, seven on seven camps. They get more snaps in college. They see different offenses. The coaching, as I just aforementioned, is better. So what's happened? The hit rate for first round quarterbacks is going up. Since the Darnold Baker class, there have been 27 quarterbacks drafted in the first round, only 10 busts. And remember, three or four of those busts were in the COVID season, which was a wonky, weird year and a half of football where the kids weren't playing the same schedules, they weren't getting the reps, there weren't even fans at games. The practice schedule was modified or altered. So you basically have 10 busts, 27 guys that can play. That's a pretty good hit rate. That's pretty good. And I would say three or four of those guys are Covid misses. And the third thing, and this is, you know, it's a real thing, is that if you just watch the current history of the league and you see sports go through this, right? We now have three draft classes. 20, 18, 2020 and 24. Three draft classes since 2018 where you're getting at least four guys that can play in this league and franchise guys. I mean people forever talked about the Elway Marino draft like that was the thing for 30 years. We've had three of those in six years. Now this is not a great draft, but Shadour Sanders, Cam Ward look like they can play. Jalen Milrose more of a prospect, who knows. But last year was great and you're seeing it now. I mean Bo Nicks good, Caleb Williams super talented. Jaden Daniels probably makes the playoffs. Drake may getting better by the month. And by the way, Penix is the guy that I thought Atlanta got him. I think he'll be great. J.J. mcCarthy's hurt looked good in the preseason, so it's pretty clear you got to have a quarterback to win in this league. But there are signs here the hit rates going up we are having because of all the seven on seven camps, more snaps by the time you're 14 years old. There's just more quarterbacks getting injected and the quarterback coaching is significantly better than it was seven, eight, nine years ago. All right, Mark Sanchez, last hour. I want to thank Tom Brady and Nick Wright for stopping by. Live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Now here's the kicker. The PayPal debit card earns you 5% cash back in a monthly category of your Choice. Up to $1,000 of monthly purchases. So groceries, health and beauty, gas, apparel restaurants. On top of that, you can get cash back offers within the app from brands like Doordash, Instacart, Sephora. This month, it's all about that apparel. I got a crazy schedule. 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- [53:19]
Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
Is, I think, embarrassing to the SEC. Follow the Big Take podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of how to do everything from NPR's wait, wait, don't tell me. Each week we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle? How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will.
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Doug Gottlieb
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