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Colin Cowherd
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Doug Gottlieb
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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
Does it start with three letters? Is it two words, three letters?
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Colin Cowherd
No, there's something state in it. Okay, I'll figure it out. But it was. I've been driving by this place forever and I'm like, I gotta try. It was like a local place and I gotta go there, and I did yesterday. And so congratulations. Congrats to that place.
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Nick Wright
So. So you're back on tacos, huh? That's good. I. I heard a guy mentioned Chipotle and he got like, the gold card where you could just get free Chipotle.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's. This was a. This was a notch above that.
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Nick Wright
So I have. I went back to Chipotle and it's actually kind of good. I was off it for like nine years because I got an allergic reaction. But I went back and it's not bad. So.
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Colin Cowherd
To beans.
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Nick Wright
I mean, I don't do beans.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, sorry.
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Nick Wright
Ever.
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Colin Cowherd
Nice to know. All right. We do it every Tuesday at this time. I. I Gotta tell you, we got some good teams in the NFL because my number 10 team is pretty darn good. Herd hierarchy time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10. I don't think the Rams could duplicate that effort again this season. But Matt Stafford, Sean McVeigh, Kyron Williams, Cooper Cup, Puka Nakua, Rob Havenstein, I mean they've got pieces here. They've got five or six really top of the chart pieces. And when Matt Stafford has time to throw and they didn't allow a sack against Buffalo. He is beautiful. He' what Aaron Rodgers wishes he still was. When you give Stafford time to throw, he's in that burrow class. It is just different. Rams at 10, number nine. You know the Seahawks look at Baltimore's defense since Seattle hired their coordinator as head coach held in three of their last four games they've held offenses under 20 points. And Geno Smith, you know he's second in the league in completions to Joe Burrow. But they're on a four game winning streak since the bye. I think John Snider has been put together the last couple of years. Excellent drafts and I don't think there are a lot of holes in this roster. I don't think they're special at quarterback but they're certainly good enough I think to make the playoffs and potentially win a playoff game. Seattle at nine. Number eight, Steelers. George Pickens. Absence really was impactful. They really need him. But Russell Wilson 61 as a starter. Here's what I like. They're 40 against teams with winning records. So they tend it's Mike Thomas history is he is a great underdog coach. Now they got the Eagles coming up at Philly at the Ravens and the Chiefs. So we're going to find out contender or pretender in the next three weeks. Number seven, the Ravens. Listen, they have five losses by a combined 22 points. They're losing to teams like, you know, the Chiefs. Number one, total offense, number two, rushing offense. Listen, they get penalized way too much. That is a problem. And their pass defense, what I don't like about this team, they're like a baseball team with a bad bullpen. They can outplay and lose. This team can outplay you but on the back end they are leaking so much oil that they can lose games. They should win. So I think Baltimore is out of the super bowl bubble with the back end of their defense. Number six. You keep waiting for the Minnesota bubble to burst and they're on a six game winning streak. Seven one and one score games. You know who else is good at one score games? Kansas City. Really good coaches and good quarterbacks are good in one score game. Sam Darnold in the last month, 11 touchdowns, no picks. There was an aspiring young sportscaster years ago that said he was going to be a great player. Hey, it took a while. Hey, all I know is this, Minnesota's really good. Are they great? I don't know. Number five. The packers are closer to great now. I think they're a year away. They're like Detroit last year. They're really young, but they become a power run team behind Josh Jacobs. So they are taking a lot of the responsibility from Jordan Love who can be a tad reckless despite being an excellent talent. So they are now kind of a power running team. And for years and years with Aaron Rodgers we were always like they don't have much of a run game. Oh, they got it now. Josh Jacobs. They got it now. Green Bay at five. Number four, Buffalo. Super talented, but they beat themselves. Rams. They had a block punt nine guys on the field. They're two and three against winning record teams. Why? Because you gotta have it buttoned up against winning record and winning teams. Now they're not allowing sacks anymore and the Rams had a good defensive front. That's why Josh Allen's putting up these numbers. I like their roster, I like their momentum, but I don't trust them in big games. And the Rams are an inferior team to the Bills and the Rams blocked a punk and the Rams didn't waste a time out at the goal line. So Buffalo's great and I do. My final four teams I think are super bowl teams, but they really, really concern me in close games. Number three, Philadelphia. So do they. Nick Sirianni. Now we've got A.J. brown and Jalen. Hurts, don't get along. But clearly since the buy, the coaching staff has been very intentional. They've become a run team over a pass team. Clearly Saquon Barkley is leading them. It's got a Christian McCaffrey Niners feel like they like the quarterback, don't love him. So I think it's a very, very good team. I think they have the best roster in the league, slightly better than Detroit, but I've got my issues in tight spots with the coach and the quarterback. Number two, Kansas City. First team in NFL history to have three plus kickers with game winning field goals as time expired in a single season. Listen, they're 100 in games decided by 7 or less. And you can keep telling me it's luck. It's not luck. It's their brand. It's their business model. They are, they're such a complex team because of the best third down team in the sport and yet they're only averaging five yards of play, which is the worst in the Mahomes era. So they're not as explosive. They're not going to give you the total yards, they're not going to blow you away. But they've never been better than on third down. So that's the complexity of this dynasty. It's got a Patriots feel. You don't feel they have the best roster, but they have the best coach, the best quarterback and like Michael Jordan, when you need a bucket, that's the team you want. KC at two, number one by an inch. Detroit. Listen, since week nine of 2022, they're 34 and nine, half of them blowouts. They have the number one scoring offense and the number one offensive line. They're the one team I think could make Mahomes sit on the sidelines and watch a game. I trust Mahomes to beat everybody in this league. Detroit has the personnel to say we're going to play keep away and have a nine minute drive. So that's the kind of personnel they have. And the other thing is about Detroit is Aiden Hutchinson got hurt, hasn't hurt the defense. Now I think a lot of that is because they lead and so their defense knows what's coming, right. They're not in a lot of close games so the defense can pin their ears back and go for the pass rush. But I have them as by an inch as a number one team. And now we go to Nick Wright. Here we go, Nick Wright. Let's start with my top 10. Pick it apart, what say you?
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JMac
Well, you have two obvious flaws. You were on a good run of herd hierarchy, but two obvious flaws. One is this. I am willing to wager any amount of money that if we get your top two teams in the super bowl and you are staring for two weeks at Reid Mahomes versus Campbell Goff, you are picking the Chiefs. There is no chance you pick the Lions if they play each other in the Super Bowl. None whatsoever. So in that circumstance, I'd say the Chief should be one. And the other question, the other one is this. Why are the Ravens ahead of the Steelers? I understand the Ravens didn't play this week, but they had lost two of their previous three when they played each other head to head. They lost. Like I don't. They. I don't understand the argument especially because Russell Wilson's one of your long lost adopted sons.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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JMac
How you would have the Ravens ahead of the Steelers. That surprises me, I have to say.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Pickens was out this week and it became increasingly clear they are super dependent on him down the field. So that worries me. But. But I they won anyway.
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JMac
Teams need their good players. I agree. Teams need teams are worse without their good players. That is definitively tr. I just think the Steelers are better than Baltimore. Sorry.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm going to come back to the Chiefs but I want to start with Philadelphia. So clearly since the buy they have said we want Jalen hurts throwing less and it's working and now AJ Brown's not happy with it. You know, it's just a holiday tradition. Philadelphia gets in their own way and Nick Sariani doesn't do personnel or call plays and it feels like just get the locker room right. This worries me. Does it worry you?
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JMac
It worries me too. And I've come around all the way on the Eagles where I a few weeks ago picked them to win the conference because my preseason picked the Chicago Bears while not officially eliminated, I've got to say not looking great for the Bears. So I had to pivot off that. Colin, this Eagles story bothers me for two reasons. The first one is what you said. I don't trust Sirianni to get his arms around it. And we saw last year this team was 10:1. It started to get away from him and it absolutely twistered into as bad of a collapse as we've ever seen, culminating in a team just quitting in a playoff game. So that worries me. The other part of this that is bothersome is I think AJ Brown is so wildly out of line here, it's incomprehensible. You are arguably the best player on the team. You have been. You got paid as a first round pick. The Eagles then traded for you and paid you top of market this off season they paid you again. So a brand new contract. So it's not even like oh, I'm in a contract here. Not throwing the ball is going to hurt my numbers. You are one of the best players, a veteran, a leader on a team that has won seven in a row that is 11 and two. The only narrative out of the locker room should be huh, you guys thought our defense couldn't do it. How about them proving you wrong? And we are so excited that Saquon is going to break Eric Dickerson's record. That's all you got to do. If privately, quietly, behind the scenes you want to say, I want more touches, so be it. But for A.J. brown, out of nowhere to start a fire and then Brandon Graham, who's on the team, he's not retired. He maybe will be soon. He's on the team. To go on the radio and be like, yeah, it's a shame. Jalen and AJ Used to be friends and they're not anymore. Out of nowhere, the Eagles are in disarray again. And so it's totally self inflicted and I certainly don't trust Sirianni to be able to fix it. Listen, you can only shave your head once. Like he already played that card. So I don't know what the next move is and I just, I'm worried about Philadelphia for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
I have tried to be, you know, humble. On Sam Darnold, it's getting increasingly difficult. He looks like the world's greatest player, so. But it's really a dilemma because J.J. mcCarthy played for a run first, college team got hurt second, surgery. He could be very good. Darnold is close to the MVP conversation and momentum in this league is a real thing. Daniel Jones, isn't it? J.J. mcCarthy may not be it. Do you just let Darnold walk? I think you have to franchise tag him, don't you?
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JMac
I think you franchise tag him just to trade him and make sure similar to what the Patriots did with Matt Castle a lifetime ago to the Chiefs and try to get a second round pick or something for him. I think if you're Kevin O'Connell and you won 13 games with Kirk Cousins and it looks like you're going to win 13 games or more with Sam Darnold, you have a belief your system with this talent can win double digit games. And there is a reason you moved off Kirk Cousins to go get J.J. mcCarthy and it was because you thought your team with that talent, a quarterback on a rookie pay scale and more upside is the way to go. I don't, I certainly don't think you can pay Darnold what the market will pay him. I think he's going to get a lot of money. I think somebody is going to have listened to you for the last decade, watch this film and be like, my God, this is the player I saw coming out of ufc. That cowherd's never been able to quit. But I think the Vikings should franchise to trade, not franchise to keep. I think you got to give JJ McCarthy full ownership of that team next offseason.
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Colin Cowherd
So we had J. Mac and I had a severe disagreement. I said there's a time and A place for everything. And belichick attacking the UNC job and apparently he came with a binder like 400 rules, I won't do this, I won't do that. And I said, Caroline is too good of a job. It's a top 20 job to basically be backed into a corner and been told by a guy that's never coached college, this or I'm out. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I get Belichick doing it. But I don't have to agree with your push. JMac think. And I said to JMac, if you had the choice that he will be a disaster in college or he'll be Saban and you had to choose one, I would choose disaster. Doesn't work. Can't stand the donors. But J. Mac and others think, oh, this is Saban reincarnated. I don't see it, do you?
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JMac
Well, even if it. I don't think, listen, if I can only pick disaster or maybe the greatest college coach ever, I'll pick disaster. I think, I believe, and I would assume you probably believe it's more likely somewhere in the middle.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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JMac
That he's fine but not overwhelming. And at 72 years old, and I do think it's fair to question a 72 year old that at least through Instagram and some of his public personal decisions might be going through some things that if he's the guy I want to turn my college program over to when I think he's then turning it over to his son in two or three years. I have a different theory about why all of a sudden Belichick is looking at the college game. And I think it's twofold. One is I think he is very nervous that he is not going to get. If he waits for the NFL jobs, he's not going to get one. That there's going to be seven or eight openings and seven or eight teams are going to pass. And if that happens, his coaching career is kind of over.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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JMac
The other thing is everyone assumed he's at 333 total wins. Shule is at 347, that it's so important him to go get that record. I wonder if Bill is doing the same math I'm doing, which is saying, all right, even if you go get that record, are you just holding it for a year for Andy Reid?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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JMac
And I know people are like, oh, Nick, you're a Chiefs guy. Here are the numbers. Andy is at 296. Since Patrick has been there, they average 15 wins a year, playoffs and regular season combined 15 a year. He's going to end this season right around 300. If he's at 296 right now, he'll be 47 away from Shula himself. That means three great years or four mediocre years. So how important is that all time coaching record if you actually only hold it for 12 months before Andy Reid comes blows past you which andy signed a five year, $100 million contract with the Chiefs. Reportedly if he coaches those five years he is going to run away with this thing. So I think all of that is happening here. I would imagine North Carolina doesn't have the stomach to say no to Belichick, but I don't know that I think it's a great fit for anyone involved.
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Colin Cowherd
So you know what I want to end with. This is interesting. So I was thinking to you the other day when Buffalo was letting Matt Stafford, it was a seven on seven passing camp and a punt blocked and nine guys on the field. And I was thinking this is exactly in what Nick talks about. But here's the thing and I mentioned this earlier are the Bills, the Warriors with Mark Jackson. He starts a structure. They get to 50 wins. They're very good in a playoff team. Kirk comes in and turns Steph from star to superstar and really flips the Draymond switch. Mark Jackson was good, Sean McDermott's good, Kerr was great. And that McDermott is.
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JMac
That's a really. I think that's a really unique comp and I. I hadn't thought of it that way. I also wonder if there's just too many close game clock management.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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JMac
Tough loss fiascos for McDermott. Think about it Colin. This has kind of been forgotten. So I thought the end of that game was. And again I believe in the Bills this year before the year picked and win the AFC east thought they could be the two or the three seed. It looks like that's where they're going to land. I thought Josh Allen plus the best offensive and defensive lines he's ever had, that's 11 wins minimum and they're going to blow past that. However, the end of game stuff is a concern with this guy and the quarterback sneak and shout out to Tom Brady. I thought he was all over it and exactly right. What you cannot use a timeout there. It's the worst thing you can do. But then you mentioned the nine guys on the field on the pump block and it reminded me of a game that kind of got kind of got forgotten to last year's history. Last Year Russell Wilson and the Broncos are playing the Buffalo Bills. They kick what should be the game winning field goal. Down one.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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JMac
They miss it. And the Bills had 12 on the field.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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JMac
So they got another shot at it and made it so last year. And that was for the Bills to drop to I think 6 and 6. It was right before they went on that winning streak. You had 12 on the field this year in your last gasp of a game, you have nine on the field. There's just a lot of situational act that it just feels like, man, you cannot make those types of errors against Reed and Mahomes in the playoffs. And if you do lose this, if they, if they play the Chiefs in the playoffs this year, which they hope to be able to do, and you lose, that's four out of five years the same team has sent you home in the playoffs. Man, oh man, that's tough to stomach.
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Colin Cowherd
It is. Nick Wright CO HOST first things first, as always, my friend, a good day. Good holiday season to you and the famous.
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JMac
Absolutely. Great to see you. Talk to you tomorrow night. Thanks, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. All right. Good stuff. Yeah, the. I think so let's say Belichick's not Saban or a disaster.
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Nick Wright
I love how you frame that, by the way. Well, let's go to the polar opposite.
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Colin Cowherd
Ends of the spectrum, but here's what I think is real. Belichick does it for a year and they're fine. But by the second year, he is over the collective, he's over the donors, he's over the ncaa. He doesn't have any loyalty. He's not. I mean, I guess there's some parental history at Carolina, but I think college coaching is harder than it's ever been, not easier.
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Nick Wright
So some of these people online are now following Belichick's girlfriend on Instagram.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Nick Wright
They have noticed she has started following a bunch of North Carolina accounts. The University of North Carolina, North Carolina football, football, nutrition. So people are connecting the dots, Colin, and it seems like it's going to happen. I just don't see why you would be against North Carolina. Would you say they're a top 20 football program?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Nick Wright
Football program in the country.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Top 20.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Facilities Stadium.
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Nick Wright
Sure about that? 20?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
I don't know if they know they'd be top 25. I mean, Washington Huskies have a better football program.
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Colin Cowherd
North Carolina, Tara. Washington's probably like, I think Washington's probably 13th, 14th.
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Nick Wright
You would probably put almost every SEC school, almost every Big Ten school.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I wouldn't. I get to live In a beautiful area with a legendary university in one of the. One of the nicest areas in the country to live. It's got legendary program, old Mr. North Carolina. I would take the North Carolina job in one second. What do you want to do? You want to play lsu, Alabama, Georgia? Do you want to play them every year?
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Nick Wright
Texas, Oklahoma does, and they're.
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Colin Cowherd
I would rather go to Carolina and get a bunch of layups and go 11 and 1 and then get into the playoff every year.
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Nick Wright
Easy way out. You coastal elite, you don't want to face the hard truths about life. I mean, go ask yourself, in the.
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Colin Cowherd
Last 10 years, look at how many SEC coaches have been fired. Oh, is it.
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Nick Wright
Is it 80, 60, 70 something with a bunch of rings from the. From the NFL, from the varsity.
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Colin Cowherd
I would take Carolina over Ole Miss.
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Nick Wright
I think you're in a minority. Fine. University of Florida.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, no, that's the state university at Florida.
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Nick Wright
I would take Florida or Uncle. I mean, I'm just telling you.
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Colin Cowherd
I'll tell you. I'll tell you. My wife, I could get her to go to Chapel Hill.
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Nick Wright
Well, wait, now you're bringing in a different.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you're talking about everything. I think it's an easier place to sell. Florida State gone crazy.
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Nick Wright
A better football job. FSU or UNC?
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Colin Cowherd
That's probably FSU.
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Nick Wright
Big Ten. At least 10 schools in the Big Ten are better. Far better.
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Colin Cowherd
Name them.
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Nick Wright
I mean, you want to start Michigan, Ohio State. For right out of the game? State.
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Colin Cowherd
Oregon. Absolutely. Usc, Washington. No, no, no. Not ucl. I'll take Carolina. Not ucla. They're collective. Some pushback couldn't buy this cup of coffee.
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Nick Wright
Indiana, Hoosiers. Oh, you gotta.
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Colin Cowherd
I'll take Carolina.
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Nick Wright
Illinois, Carolina, Minnesota. Go, go.
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Colin Cowherd
Carolina.
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Nick Wright
No, no, they. Come on, they got Fleck. A great coach. No, you can't have so many schools. I forget Northwestern.
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Colin Cowherd
Come on, Chicago.
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Nick Wright
You love Northwestern.
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Colin Cowherd
It's an academic power. They have 32 students. It's a tiny school.
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Nick Wright
They got a great new facility. Don't they have one on one of them?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm telling you, Caroline is a good job. It's a good job.
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Nick Wright
Top 20.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it may be 18th, but it's a good job.
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Nick Wright
Is it top five in the ACC?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. Come on, you can't name six.
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Nick Wright
Clemson for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Clemson's the best.
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Nick Wright
FSU for sure?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes, it's two. And then after that, I'll take Carolina.
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Nick Wright
Where are you on, like, Virginia, uva?
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Colin Cowherd
Virginia.
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Nick Wright
Virginia Tech.
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Colin Cowherd
What year? What we talking? What year? What year is that?
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Nick Wright
Virginia Tech.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Virginia Great law school. Their basketball coach is like I'm out of here and they have a better basketball than football program. I gotta read some spots.
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Nick Wright
Just really love this belichick topic. Oof.
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Colin Cowherd
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I said going into this season I had the Cowboys missing the playoffs, I had Philadelphia winning the division, Washington finishing second. And that's how it looks. So this division, NFC East, I've got in order so far. I had Philly, Washington, Dallas and the New York Giants. So I got that one right it appears. And they have very limited cap space going forward, even if they restructure Dak's deal, which they will. But you can kick that down the road as long as you want. You can kick that can down the road. You're paying a B plus quarterback A plus money. You got paid the piper eventually. And the second thing is, Dak's on his second lower body injury and after the first one he got less mobile. So he and Cooper rush Dak's better. Not that much. I mean there's limitations on Dak now. So I predicted all off season this year would be the beginning of a half a decade slide into mediocrity and irrelevance. And I mean, this has become the Lakers systemic family issues. You've got like one star player and then one aging star player and then a roster full of average guys. And that's the Lakers AD and old LeBron and just guys. And I mean, the Cowboys have been run, I think on this premise, they're too big to fail. Go ask Chrysler, who now only makes minivans. And by the way, ironically, Chrysler's logo, like the Cowboys, used to be a single star. So that's what Dallas is becoming to me. Very, very average systemic family issues. Too many Jones in the kitchen. Need outside influence. You got a couple elite players. Neither one Micah or CD Lam, appear very happy. Here's Micah. After last night's loss.
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Nick Wright
I'm really soaked. This one, this one hurt me more than any loss this year. Probably even worse than a playoff loss, to be honest, because where we were going, how we were playing between the players, I mean, so many situations, it's just, I want to say snowballing, but I don't know, seemed like we're paying a due. That's not fair. We can't let these type of games slip away like we did today.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's better than early in the season when they were just getting blown out at home. So they're closing the gap on mediocrity. A J Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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Nick Wright
All right, we're going back to Philly and the Steelers. There's drama in Philadelphia. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Ahead of the big game with Brandon Graham airing dirty laundry on The Jalen hurts. A.J. brown fractured relationship. This comes following the Eagles players letting their frustrations with the pass game be unknown despite the turmoil. Nick Sirianni sees the frustration as a positive.
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JMac
Of course, I like the fact that guys, when we don't reach our standard of how we want to play and show everybody how we play each week that they're disappointed in that. But you also have to remind them in those moments, it's hard to win and that you have to enjoy, enjoy those moments. Because I know this, Elliot, that when you, when you lose, that will sit with you and you'll be real and you get. And you're sick about that. And so you have to balance that out from when you win to enjoy it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, A.J. brown's not, but his premise is right. This is something Dan Campbell talks about a lot. It is hard to win. They're not all pretty. Kansas City's had a two year stretch where almost none of their wins are pretty outside of the Super Bowl. You just got to enjoy winning in this league.
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Nick Wright
It's hard you had to reference Kansas City, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they win all the time, so I don't know.
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Nick Wright
What do you do if you're Sirianni? Do you say anything or let this play out like this is not Again, I know that we think Sirianni safe and everything. Colin, I'm just telling you, if this continues to bubble up, there's another cratering here in the end of December and they go out in the first round of the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, let me ask you, are you.
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Nick Wright
Sure Sirianni's back his record right now? I don't care what his record is.
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Colin Cowherd
45 19. It's the fifth highest winning percentage by any coach in league history.
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Nick Wright
Wonderful. Hey, you know what? Bill Belichick took Mac Jones to the playoffs, okay? Mac Jones barely is a backup in this league. Now, like, if you want. You want to bring up other stuff from the past?
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Colin Cowherd
Sure, go for it.
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Nick Wright
With Nick Sirianni's record, what have you done for me lately? Currently, it's a nine game win streak.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, nine game winning streak. That's what he's done lately.
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Nick Wright
And a fractured locker room.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he's got. It's not a fractured locker room. It is one receiver who wants the ball more.
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Nick Wright
And you got Brandon Graham airing dirty.
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Colin Cowherd
Laundry on the radio station. I don't that either.
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Nick Wright
They got locker room problems.
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Colin Cowherd
It's not perfect.
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Nick Wright
Yeah, interesting how you're coming around on that. Hey, speaking of not perfect, let's go to the Chicago Bears. Boy, they're drama filled. They fired Eberflusse and then got their doors blown off by the Niners. Well, here is the latest. Apparently GM Ryan Poles is unhappy with the team's power structure. Take a listen. When Kevin Warren was hired, he was.
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JMac
Frustrated with that from the start.
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Nick Wright
That he never loved it.
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Colin Cowherd
It was not a personal thing with.
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Nick Wright
Kevin, but it was something that he didn't like.
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Colin Cowherd
That he went from reporting to the.
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Nick Wright
Owner to now having to report to.
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Colin Cowherd
A team president who reports to the owner. There was a go between and he was very vocal about that. The people he trusted inside the building, that maybe he never would have taken.
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JMac
The job to begin with.
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Colin Cowherd
That is interesting. I tell you, the Kevin Warren is. There are growing concerns here.
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Nick Wright
I think that's the guy you gotta run on.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I don't know that yet. I just. I just know. I ask people.
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Nick Wright
Jim Harbaugh had beef with this guy. Okay? Now Ryan Poles has beef with this guy.
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Colin Cowherd
And I like Ryan Poles. Let me just state this. Take the chase, Claypool, move out. You know, unlike again the Internet, nobody is perfect. Drafting, it's hard, but Poles has hit a lot of home runs. I love the Montez sweat deal. He got crapped on for that in Chicago. I love that move. The first day he made it, I said that is a great move. Home run. Jalen Johnson, the DJ Moore move. Keenan Allen, I think he's drafted pretty well.
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Nick Wright
He's drafted. Okay. Darnell Wright has done serviceable. The kids, Cole, Comet, Johnson. Okay. They've had some okay picks.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's more than just drafting. It's acquisition. Right.
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Nick Wright
The D.J. moore move was. We like that.
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Colin Cowherd
I did not. Was that him? Well, yeah. DJ Moore, Yeah, that was a great move. Adonze was a good pick and Caleb, that he gets that.
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Nick Wright
So he's done a good job. I just, I want to know what, what this guy wore. I need to know more about his role. Like besides reporting to the.
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Colin Cowherd
I think that we're just hearing a lot of Harbaugh, Ryan Poles issues with Warren. That's what we're hearing. And I have enough sources in Chicago that I call and it's, it's. There is a, there's a power dynamic that people are questioning. Yeah.
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Nick Wright
And you know, it's a relationship business. Colin, you have to have the GM and coach on the same page. Like if they're not.
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Colin Cowherd
Harbaugh reportedly wanted the job and would have been the perfect fit.
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Nick Wright
That's all I need to hear.
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Colin Cowherd
I know for a lot of people, that's it. That's it.
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Nick Wright
Harbaugh and Poles is level. Obviously they're different. But just like if you don't want to work with Harbaugh, a proven winner.
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Colin Cowherd
I think you're making James. Not for everybody, but I agree.
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Nick Wright
No, no. I like winners. You like winners?
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Colin Cowherd
I like winners. I like hardballs. Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Final story is the Detroit lions. The first 11 game win streak in franchise history thanks to Jared Goff playing amazing. The offensive line, everybody's good. But listen, Goff is an elite company. Are you ready for this? If Detroit can not win, number 13, he would be the third quarterback to have 13 win seasons with different teams.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
The other two names on that list, do you want to guess them?
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Colin Cowherd
Joe Montana.
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Nick Wright
Nope.
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Colin Cowherd
Tom Brady.
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Nick Wright
Tom Brady's one.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me think, let me guys.
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Nick Wright
Pretty good.
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Colin Cowherd
Also Carson Palmer or something.
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Nick Wright
He's better than this guy's. Way better than that. Peyton Manning, Denver and Indy. So Jared Goff winning 13 games with the Rams and Lions is in the same universe as Brady and Peyton. When do we start talking hall of Fame for Jared Goff? I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I think if he puts up two or three more seasons like this. Absolutely. If he gets to a second super bowl, win or lose, you got to get. There's votes.
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Nick Wright
See, the problem is he doesn't have an mvp. He's never been considered the best quarterback in the league. He's been very good, elevated by McVay. But if he gets to a second super bowl, that's pretty damn good.
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Colin Cowherd
He's really, really good. He's really good player. I mean, Philip Rivers is going to get votes and discussion. And I think Goff's better than Philip Rivers. Makes fewer mistakes.
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Nick Wright
That's a good one. Look at Goff's numbers this year. 72% completions.
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JMac
That's ridiculous.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's. You know, he's one of those guys that's all steak and no sizzle. Like, he has no sizzle. And so he's the opposite of. He has Kyler Murray, who's a ton of sizzle, but we question the state.
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Nick Wright
He has some sizzle. He married a si. Swimsuit model and.
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Colin Cowherd
Well. What?
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Nick Wright
That's a lot of sizzle. What are you talking about?
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Colin Cowherd
That's not the kind of sizzle I.
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Nick Wright
What's your sizzle?
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Colin Cowherd
You know, dynamic big arm, move around Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. You watch the game and you're like that. Wow. His thing is beautiful. Beautiful distributor of the football with time to throw. I always said I thought he was a better Matt Ryan, and Matt Ryan was excellent.
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Nick Wright
Matt Ryan won an mvp.
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Colin Cowherd
Matt Ryan's really good.
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Nick Wright
Oh, that's a good comparison, career wise.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but I think he. I think he's got a little stronger arm than Matt Ryan, and I thought Matt was excellent.
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Nick Wright
So Bills at Lions. That's it.
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Colin Cowherd
I like Buffalo in that space. I like Buffalo.
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Nick Wright
Really?
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, extra time to prepare for the.
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Nick Wright
Lions road game for the Bills. They go from Orchard park to la. I gotta check if they went all the way back and then back to Detroit.
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Colin Cowherd
It's jet travel. They're young athletes. They'll be fine.
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Nick Wright
Travel. Coastal elites.
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Colin Cowherd
They don't plan Beijing. They'll be fine. Oh, they flew all the way to LA on a big jet with sandwiches and soup and fresh coffee. They're fine.
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Nick Wright
It's late in the season, my friend. These guys are worn down. They're tired. Everybody's banged up. It ain't easy out there being a football player. I don't care if you're flying awesome jets. It's tough.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, all I know is row 28 on Southwest Airlines. I sleep like a baby.
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Nick Wright
You've never sat behind row eight. Come on, get out of here, bro.
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Colin Cowherd
Come on. Maybe row seven. But I like it.
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Nick Wright
You know what Jared Goff doesn't get? What your favorite comedian always talks about?
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Colin Cowherd
What? Respect.
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Nick Wright
Set him up, baby.
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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
FOX College hoops Friday takes over prime time. Indiana goes head to head with Nebraska in a Big Ten showdown. It all takes off Friday at 8 Eastern on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
So the Big story is yesterday Belichick met with a chancellor of North Carolina, brought in a 400 page binder and said here are the rules, I'll take the job. I wouldn't want to be backed into a corner. I understand he's Belichick. The ACC's a bad conference. He can make them relevant, but he's not a long term solution. The other part of this dynamic I don't like at all is he's basically going to take the job if you'll hire his son. Not interested whatsoever. That feels like the late Bobby Knight sort of. If you'll hire Pat Knight, I'll do I'm not interested in that. I don't think departing head coaches should get any say in who the next coach is. I think North Carolina is a very good job. I think it's an underrated job. I don't think it's Clemson. I don't think it's Florida. I don't think it's Oklahoma. But I think it's, it's somewhere after Washington. It's in the like 17, 18. It may just be a spot below like Auburn who's, you know, was kind of a dysfunctional mess or Washington that's got a natty but it's a good program, well capitalized. Nick Wright, earlier on, Belichick working in.
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JMac
College at Carolina at 72 years old. And I do think it's fair to question a 72 year old that at least through Instagram and some of his public personal decisions might be going through some things that if he's the guy I want to turn my college program over to when I think he's then turning it over to his son in two or three years. I have a different theory about why all of a sudden Belichick is looking at the college game. And I think it's twofold. One is I think he is very nervous that he is not going to get if he waits for the NFL jobs, he's not going to get one. Yeah, that there's going to be seven or eight openings and seven or eight teams are going to pass. And if that happens, his coaching career is kind of over.
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Colin Cowherd
And this is very interesting. I've seen this before. It's very Bobby Knight is that Bobby Knight, he didn't want to do one and done. The culture is bigger than you. And you know, Bill's like, I want to say in personnel, nobody's interested. He's not good at that. So I think money corrupts power influences. I think Belichick is very proud guy. He's a brilliant football guy and it's like my way or the highway. And the truth is college football coaching is hard now. Jay Wright. I'm out. Saban? No, thanks. Like really good coaches, Bob Stoops could come back anytime he wanted to. No, thank you. So I think the recruiting is a pain in the butt. I think it's a young man's game. But this is, I mean, Mike Krzyzewski didn't want to do the one and done and then he figured out after about three years, I'm getting beat by the one and done guys. So he pivoted. That's why Mike Krzyzewski is a better all time coach than Bobby Knight. Bobby didn't evolve. He just couldn't evolve. He was into his ego and his vanity, in his power and his influence. He couldn't get, as they say, over himself. I think Belichick needs, he could get an NFL job. But if Bill's going to say, I want personnel, Bill, you're bad at it. You're not Jimmy Johnson at it. You're not Pete Carroll at it. You're not Sean Payton at. It's not what you do. You're a, you're the best defensive coach ever. You're one of the smartest coaches. You're a culture and a tone setter. You're a very, very bright guy. I'm a huge Belichick fan. But everybody's got a hole in the world. Every company's got a hole. Why? Because companies are just human beings and we're all flawed and vulnerable and we make mistakes. The biggest, strongest companies, it could be Meta, it could be Google. They've got holes. Every company's got holes. Every coach has holes. And it's personnel for him. So I think the NFL teams are like, you're not touching personnel. That's why I always thought Philadelphia was a great job for him because Howie Roseman, as good a GM as there is, and Bill would get no say in personnel. And I think Philadelphia is the place to go. But he's not. Bill will not be allowed to usurp Howie Roseman his power or influence, nor should he. How he's great at that, that how he doesn't try to coach. You're not going to touch his personnel. So that's just the reality of it in college. Good luck. I, I just I don't really mind sacrificing some things to get Bill in Carolina, but I have to hire your coach, your son. What if Bill after a year says, yeah, I don't like this. You got to hire my son. Is there something that protects North Carolina? Like, how long will Bill coach? And what after the first recruiting class? Bill privately like, I got no interest coaching my son gets it for 10 years. No, like that. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Now here's the kicker. The PayPal debit card earns you 5% cash back in a monthly category of your Choice. Up to $1,000 of monthly purchases. So groceries, health and beauty, gas, apparel, restaurants. On top of that, you can get cash back offers within the app from brands like Doordash, Instacart, Sephora. This month, it's all about that apparel. I got a crazy schedule. I shop online a lot, snag a suit here or there, fresh gear, 5% cash back adds up fast. And signing up is easy. Just Download the new PayPal app to sign up and you're ready to start earning cash back on your everyday purchases. Pay smart, earn cash back. Enjoy peace of mind with a PayPal debit card. Don't just pay PayPal terms apply. See PayPal app cash back earned as points you can redeem for cash and other options. This card issued by the Bancorp N.A. pursuant to license by MasterCard International, Inc. The human soul has a minimum daily requirement of entertainment. But listening to a podcast like you're doing right now, yeah, that doesn't count. Welcome to the world of MGM Rewards where they have the greatest live shows on earth, the biggest names in sports, the best chefs on the planet, and the most unforgettable nights of your life. This is all the entertainment you can handle and more. So book now and make the most of your Vegas getaway@mgm rewards.com MGM rewards.com Welcome to the show. It's football season and UberEats is dropping undefeated deals on all your game day favorites this week. Scored buy one, get one free six piece boneless wings from Buffalo Wild Wings only on Uber Eats. Craving even more. We've got you covered with game day deals on pizza, burgers, tacos and more all season long. Uber Eats official on demand food delivery partner of the NFL. Order now for game day terms, taxes and fees apply. See app for details.
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Doug Gottlieb
This is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Godley. Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high, but it's going to take all of us to stop it. I mean, we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a time out Against Hate. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me in calling for time out against hate by following hatsupwithhate or posting the Blue Square emoji.
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