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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Small business owners this one's for you. Chase for Business and iheart bring you a podcast series called the Unshakables. This one of a kind series will shine the spotlight on small business owners like you who faced a do or die moment that ultimately made their business what it is today. Learn more@chase.com business podcast Chase make More of what's Yours Chase Mobile app is available for select mobile devices. Message and data rates may apply JPMorgan Chase Bank NA Member FDIC Copyright 2024.
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Doug Gottlieb
JPMorgan Chase Income this is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb. Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high. But it's gonna take all of us to stop it. I mean we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a timeout against hate. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me in calling for timeout against hate by following or posting the Blue Square emoji.
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Delta Air Lines Representative
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Colin Cowherd
What's on your list of popular game day foods? Tailgate, house party, game day gatherings, whatever. Include real flavor with the original Louisiana brand hot sauce sliders, the beer cheese with that hit of Louisiana peppers. There's a rich food tradition in Louisiana bringing bold peppery flavor with just the right amount of heat. Pigs in a blanket. Pigs not in a blanket. Spinach Artichoke dip. Artichoke spinach dip. Wings are wingier than ever with the original Louisiana brand wing sauce. Perfect for self appointed flavor experts. The original Louisiana brand hot sauce. The game day flavor changer Flavor favors the bold. Available at a store near you. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go at tower two. Live in Los Angeles, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. If you're driving around anywhere in the country, thanks for stopping by. For people who have not seen this, our studio, our tree department, I think that's who does it. Chop down a couple of firs in redwoods in the neighborhood and they're all over our set. It is beautiful. Look at this. Didn't it make you feel warm and cozy? J. Mac is the sweetest guy. So during the break, basically it's a weird year for me and the family. I'm by myself on Christmas and J. Mac's like, you could stop by. And I said, I said, do you, do you want me to bring something over?
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Lavar Arrington
Wait a sec. Are you really going to reveal this?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I was, I said, I'll cater dinner. And he goes, oh, really? Do you think your chef friend would do it? And I said, I was thinking Buffalo wild wings.
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Lavar Arrington
I did not even get a chance to text the family that we have a family text chat. And I was gonna put Buffalo wild.
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Colin Cowherd
Wings I had there. I had their boneless chicken wings this weekend.
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Lavar Arrington
Amazing.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm gonna go to new boneless chicken wings diet. That's all I'm die for. Buffalo wild wings.
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Steve Covino
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. We do it every Tuesday, Nick. Right around the corner. It's the herd hierarchy. Here we go. Herd hierarchy.
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Nick Wright
Time is now.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10. Okay, I got to admit, I'm kind of proud. Denver Broncos tied for number one scoring defense in the entire league. Lead the NFL in sacks. They did not play well and won. They got outplayed by the Colts. They've won four straight games. Bo Nicks is still in the growth period. But I said before the season, I did not buy. They Were a bad team. Sean Payton's one of the best coaches of my life. Bo Nicks had 61 college starts. Mims, Cortland, Sutton, Patrick. Certain they got real dudes. Denver at 10, number nine, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I may have them low. I'm telling you, I wouldn't want to play this team. The Chargers hadn't allowed over 30 points in a game. Tampa went in, scored 40 easy. And I'm telling you, Baker Mayfield, now third in the NFL with 32 touchdown passes, be very concerned about facing a team that can win by shootouts or win ugly. And that's what they can do. You can't run on them yet. This roster can run on you. This is a weird team. Todd Bowles, who's a really wonderful guy and an excellent defensive coach, is proving he can get out of the way and let the offense be the offense. I got Tampa at nine, Number eight, Minnesota. Seven game winning streak. They are seven and one and one score games. I think a lot of the story here beyond Darnold is Kevin O'Connell, who they call a tile. Sean McVeigh. I think Kevin O'Connell is superb. And their defense, Brian Flores, number two against the run, number three in takeaways. Brian Flores deserves another job. He does. Because I don't think their defensive personnel is nearly as good is their defensive production. I think it's fine. The production is great. I think Flores deserves another gig. Minnesota at eight, number seven, the Ravens. Listen, they have five losses by a combined 22 points. A lot of it's been special teams. It's the best run offense in the league. I am rooting so hard for Lamar to do something in the playoffs because I don't buy this, this thing that, that he's not a great pocket quarterback. He is now. I do think J. Mac touched on something yesterday. Derrick Henry's productions come down a bit. These are long seasons. Running backs you're seeing J.K. dobbins, Derrick Henry Montgomery with the Lions. This is a rough sport. They're the last unprotected offensive player. I have the Ravens at seven, number six. I'm going to move Detroit down to six. And I'm not sure they are six. They've given up 79 points in two weeks. And it's not because the coaching's bad. They're running out of players. The defense has one takeaway in the last four games. Everybody moves the ball on them. They have 18 players on the IR again. They can only win now in shootouts. I, I think Green Bay this morning's the better team and I obviously, Detroit has beaten Green Bay, but I have the Lions at six. Number five, you do not want to play the Rams. They are now healthy. No turnovers, no sacks allowed. In two games, this offensive line is winning games seven and two. The buy, okay? And when Stafford's got a healthy Puka Nakua. 17 touchdowns, four picks. Kyron Williams, Stafford Havenstein, Cooper cup, puka nakua, Sean McVeigh, you don't want to face them. They are hot and feeling it. Number four, Buffalo. Listen, their defense is an issue. I know you're falling in love with Josh Allen, folks. Detroit went up and down the field. The Rams went up and down the field. Their defense ranks 22nd now. They're fifth in takeaways. So they'll take the ball away. And I love Josh Allen too, but he's had like 900 yards in two games and they lost one of them. You're not winning in February with this defense. They got to get healthier. I think they're getting rap back. They're getting some of their back end back, but they are not good enough defensively. Number three, the Packers. They're hot, they're healthy and they are now a power run team. That game in Seattle, they turn the lights out on that thing after two drives, eight and two since the start of October. Now, both losses were to the Lions because the Lions have a better team, but they don't today. I love Green Bay. When they hold opponents under 25, they're 9 1. And I think Matt LaFleur is on a short list of one of the most underrated coaches in the league. Remember when he was at Tennessee, his reputation was he likes to lead with a run. He had Derrick Henry in Green Bay. This is his offense and his team. This is what Matt LaFleur knows. He is a run first. He's got a lot of Sean McVan Shanahan. He likes the run game. Green Bay at 3. Number 2. Listen, Mahomes is banged up. This team is still 100 in games decided by a touchdown or less. They still have the best coach, arguably ever. Mahomes probably sits this weekend against Houston and then he'll be fine. I do worry about offensive tackle. I just. They're not going to be great at it. Just keep your eye on this team. They're getting Hollywood Brown back. I think the best of Kansas City will be the version in about, you know, 10 days when Patrick Mahomes returns. Number one, the most dysfunctional great team in sports, Philadelphia. A 10 game winning streak with their coach getting in fights with assistant coaches. I mean everything they do screams bad organization. And yet all they do is win. They fire super bowl winning coaches. Philadelphia is wild. Is Nick Sirianni a good coach? Did you see that defensive line coach getting in his way? Would you do that with like Andy Reid? Would you do that with Sean Payton? I mean like Philadelphia breaks every rule in pro football. They fire winning coaches, they let go of Andy Reid, the coaches screaming at fans, drama in the locker room, players calling out the team on radio and they win and they're loaded. This roster is stacked. There's the herd hierarchy. I like Green Bay a lot. I know you're shaking your head at Green Bay, aren't you?
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Lavar Arrington
Didn't Buffalo beat KC like I don't.
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Colin Cowherd
Know, three weeks ago and Buffalo's defense now is worse.
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Lavar Arrington
I think you're right on Green Bay. I actually like this. Except for Casey at 2, there's no shot. I don't even know if I'd have them top seven.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, that's interesting. Our next guest may have an you.
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Lavar Arrington
Think you care about that.
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Colin Cowherd
Nick Wright is joining us live. Co host first things first, like I, I'm to a like Kansas City's just a legacy vote. Like I don't know what they're going to look like. I think they'll beat Houston with Carson Wentz frankly, because I think Carson's one of the more talented backups.
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Nick Wright
Does everyone have access to a different set of standings than me? I love a legacy vote. Another way is they have the best record, they have the best coach, the best player, they're the two time defending champ and they have the best record. The Chiefs are being discussed this year like they're nine and five but oh well, you've got to give them credit. They have the best record and no J Mac, the Bills didn't beat the Chiefs three weeks ago. They did beat the Chiefs five weeks ago and 57 weeks ago and 104 weeks ago as they beat them every regular season and the Chiefs dog walk them in the playoffs. But if we're doing the head to head thing then I guess Baltimore should be ahead of Buffalo because Baltimore beat Buffalo by 25 and the Raiders should be super high because they beat so they beat the Ravens. They of course didn't beat the Chiefs because only one team did. So let's talk about this for a second because this is now the second straight week, Collin, that you have left the Chiefs at two and have ahead of them a team whose coach and quarterback you don't trust. I told you if they played Detroit in the super bowl, you wouldn't beat Detroit.
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Colin Cowherd
You're right.
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Nick Wright
Detroit's now down to six. All the Chiefs do is win Philly. If it is Sirianni and hurts against Reed and Mahomes in the super bowl again, there is no chance you're going with Philly. There's none whatsoever. Like, I feel like I'm living in this alternate universe where everyone, your wonderful co host included, who was as wrong as anyone's ever been about anything about the Chiefs last year and then in February was like, I will not make that mistake again. I'm sorry. Has now seen The Chiefs win 13 of 14 games. And they're like, I don't know how good they are. I got a pretty good idea how good they are. Pretty damn good. So that's my takeaway. And you got the Broncos a little too high. But you love Sean Payton.
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Colin Cowherd
So far I do. Okay, so I was saying this about Detroit is that if you look, I mean, the NFL is not the NBA. You play hurt, you yell at players. It's kind of an alpha league. And I think a lot of that is because you play outdoors. Everybody's hurt. You got to play hurt. And the truth is the power is in the coach and the gm, not the players. And so when I look at Dan Campbell, I understand we love the reckless and the wild and the crazy, but onside kicks, now you have to announce you're doing it. So the surprise of the onside kick is done. I watched that and I thought, I'm hoping he did that because he didn't trust his defense, because otherwise that was an egregiously reckless coaching move. I can think two things. I love the coach, but it is now time to pivot away from, hey, we're the little guy on the block. No, you're closer to IBM than the garage band. Right?
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Nick Wright
So that's an important distinction. An important distinction is the underdog needs to play the variance game. The favorite needs to avoid it. And so what can be the right decision if it's like, man, if this game goes to overtime. Not that this was concern there, you know, if you're a big underdog and you score a touchdown in the waning moments and extra point ties it, two point wins it, there's a good argument, go for the win because the more football that's played, the bigger your, you know, the other team's edge increases. But the Lions are now the favorite in a bunch of spots and still have an underdog mentality. Underdog mentality can be good. Underdog strategy, not so much. But my concern for the Lions is two weeks in a row, Dan Campbell on the fourth down decision against Green Bay and then the onside kick with 12 minutes left. Forget the strategy elements of it, which I thought were flawed. And even the most aggressive analytical models say that's even too aggressive for our taste. Dan Campbell told not just the outside world, but his team.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Nick Wright
Yeah, I don't. I don't trust the defense.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Nick Wright
At all, actually.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Nick Wright
And that's the defense that they are now going to have to try to win a Super bowl with. And I feel terribly for the Lions. I do think it's injuries. And again, not every team's Kansas City that can lose their running back. Top three receivers, top corner, left tackle, defensive end, and just keep chugging along. Most teams that derails them. And that might have been what happened to the or is happening to the Detroit Lions. But Colin, there are a lot of, you know, ways for this Lions team to go from the super bowl favorites for the first time in franchise history to out in the wild card round. They are not locked into the one seed. They are not even locked into winning that division. If Minnesota passes them, then Detroit is going on the road to Tampa, who beat them, or to the Rams, who played them to overtime earlier. If they fall to the two, they could be playing Green Bay, who just played them down to the final seconds a few weeks ago. Like, I think Detroit's an excellent offensive team that unfortunately the defense doesn't have the horses right now to make them a real contender.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's. I was saying this. There was a moment in that Eagles game where Nick Ceriani went to talk to a player and a defensive line, not even a coordinator, a defensive line coach stepped in his way. And I thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That. That's not the way it works. Like this moment tells me, and you would never do that to an elite coach. You wouldn't do that to Vrabel Tomlin, Peyton Reid. Isn't that a sign that if they lose early, regardless of his past wins, Sirianni's in trouble?
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Nick Wright
Well, so it's so interesting. Also, poor Big Dom. Big Dom's like, you put me in a tough spot here. Like, the one guy on the sideline bigger than me, that's not a player is the one you already got an issue with. I don't know what I'm supposed to do here. So the Sirianni stuff is so fascinating to me. Colin Because I am a. I know it is not in vogue these days to, you know, care about things like wins and losses and your actual record. But those of us that do, wins are a coaching stat and his win loss record is spectacular. So I have to give him credit for that. The flip side is I don't know what he does. Kellen Moore calls the plays, Vic Fangio does the defense. It seems like AJ Brown via press conference dictates what style of offense they're going to play. His game management is shaky and he doesn't put out fires he sends to set them. So I want to be fair to Sirianni because the results, aside from the end of last season, have been exemplary when he's there. But it is true that Philadelphia, it's been reported, considered replacing him after last year. Right now the team has the number one scoring and number one yard yardage defense in football, the best running game in football, and two of the best wide receivers in football. If they, and I don't think they will, by the way, I think this is a deserved right now NFC favorite given what's happened with Detroit. But if they fall short, I just don't see a lot of scenarios where it's not either because of something ridiculous Sirianni did or because Jalen Hurts, who's out here scolding the media saying, oh, is that what you guys wanted to see? As if it were the media that started that conversation, not his star wide receiver and the longest tenured player on the team in Brandon Graham. But set that aside. I think it will either because Sirianni screws it up or Hurts comes up short.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, so I watched the Bears last night and I think there are three. So I'm going to ask you the question I asked J. Mac and just let's just play along. There are three broken teams to me in the league. Bears, Jets, Giants, broken Chargers were a little broken last year, but they had a quarterback. And to be honest, in my lifetime, Fouts, Breeze, Rivers, Herbert, they're always fun to watch. They always get the offense right. They were never broken. They just chargered a lot of wins into losses.
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Nick Wright
Browns fans are like, we can't even get on the broken team list. Like, geez. But go ahead. Sorry.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm going to ask you this. You're Mike Vrabel, who is clearly, now that Belichick's in college, the number one. I would argue of the three, the jets have the best roster. Excellent corners, pass rush, now two receivers, star back, and they found their left tackle out of Penn State. Don't love Aaron, but I think it's the best roster. We'll play along. The Giants has the have the best game day revenue and the best history. When they're rolling, that is they are second to the Yankees in that city. They are a big deal. The Bears have Caleb Williams, you or Mike Vrabel. What do you tell your agent? Star quarterback, best roster or the blue blood franchise having a rough decade?
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Nick Wright
Yeah, the easy one is this last place is the jets. And I. You know, if one does believe in cursed franchises, the single most torturous thing and cruel thing to jets fans is exactly what has happened, which is the moment they're eliminated from playoff contention. They see the version of Aaron Rodgers they thought they were going to get the whole time. And it might just be enough to fool that dopey franchise to bringing him back at age 42 and running this whole thing back for more disaster. So the jets are a clear last place.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Nick Wright
I think the Bears must go with an offensive coach. But that's not your question. Your question is essentially if Rabel were offered all three jobs, which one would he take? I. If I were Mike Vrabel, I would take the Bears. I would take the Bears.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Nick Wright
Because I still believe Caleb Williams is going to be a great player. I think Caleb is having one of the oddest rookie seasons ever. Like he refuses to throw interceptions and I actually think that's a bad thing. I'd feel better if he had been throwing some interceptions. Also the dysfunction of the firing, the OC, firing the head coach, all of that has worked against him. But I think they are going to go offense, which then means if I'm Vrabel, I think the Giants are exciting. He's injured right now, but they have a franchise left tackle. Malik Nabors is a great player even if he's already kind of, you know, graduated to diva receiver a dozen games into his career. But Vrabel will get his arms around that. They have an excellent defensive line and they're going to be able to draft the quarterback in the top two or three, which is where they're going to be drafting. So I think that for Vrabel is what fits. I think the, the Bears are the most attractive job, but I think that they are have to go offense to try to pair Caleb with someone who can grow together.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, I, you know, I let you sit here and take shots at me. You know, I did get the Denver Broncos. Right. I'm gonna be honest.
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Nick Wright
Okay, so here's the Thing I wouldn't listen, you did get the Denver Broncos, right? I also listen, their Preseason total was 5 and a half. Yeah, I thought that was insane.
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Colin Cowherd
I.
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Nick Wright
And, but I would just, I would pump my Bo Nicks victory lap. Sean Payton victory laps. Fine.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Nick Wright
The Bo Nix stuff, I mean, I, I think Bo Nix is, you know, turns 30 this year and I just saw him throw three picks and need Jonathan Taylor to drop the ball on the one and you know, the terrible A.D. mitchell play.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
But listen, Nick Benito is an excellent player. Yeah. Broncos are going to be in the playoffs and so good job by Sean Payton. Good job by you. Maybe just one day. Let me ask you this real quick, all right? Next year, if the Chiefs are the three time defending super bowl champions and have the best record in the NFL, do you think you can find it within your heart to keep them at number one on the hierarchy? Is that fair? I know two time defending champs, best record, need to see more. If they pull off the three beat and have the best record, can they be number one?
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Colin Cowherd
No promises. You know, it's just new information.
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Nick Wright
Yeah, of course.
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Colin Cowherd
See you, buddy. Nick Wright. Yeah, the Bo Nix. Okay, so he's 34 years old, out of college. I mean, you guys are so picky on stuff. If you, if you, if you called your wife and asked about my suggestion for.
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Lavar Arrington
I don't, I don't have to check in on that.
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Colin Cowherd
Come on. Want more? Heard the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, literally. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in.
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Steve Covino
The world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem.
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Colin Cowherd
To have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too.
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Steve Covino
Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.
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Colin Cowherd
I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Jason McIntyre
Small Business Owners, this one's for you. Chase for Business and iheart bring you a podcast series called the Unshakables. This one of a kind series will shine the spotlight on small business owners like you who faced a do or die moment that ultimately made their business what it is today. Learn more@chase.com business podcast Chase Make More of what's Yours Chase Mobile app is available for select mobile devices. Message and data rates may apply JPMorgan Chase Bank NA Member FDIC Copyright 2024.
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Delta Air Lines Representative
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Colin Cowherd
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Steve Covino
Hey, this is lavar Arrington here from up on Game and listen, I want to talk to you about something very serious for a minute, all right? Something personal to me and right now something that should be personal to you as well. In our country, the hate is at an all time high and it's like we're going backwards. The hate is winning. We can't allow that. All right? It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate and it's enough. It's time for it to stop. We need to stop, regroup, change the momentum as a team. Because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team. So let's act like it. And when a team can't get it together, what do you do? You call a timeout. And that's what we need to do. Call a timeout against hate. Let's think about what we say and do and when we see hate, when we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong and hateful, we need to call it out. Imma call it out. You need to do the same thing. Visit Stand up to all hate.org to help and join me in calling for a timeout against hate by following at what's up with hate or posting the.
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Colin Cowherd
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Lavar Arrington
Wouldn't be a Tuesday if we didn't gas up Bo Nix your favorite quarterback in the NFL. Colin. I mean listen gotta give the guy prop they are the sixth seed in the afc. I was just looking into dead cat money and I saw the Broncos have 53 million in dead cat money according to Still.
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Colin Cowherd
There is still a playoff.
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Lavar Arrington
It can be done.
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Colin Cowherd
Get a coach and a quarterback Right. You're.
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Lavar Arrington
You're to the Atlanta Falcons. It can be done. Anyways, Knicks did throw three interceptions against the cold Sunday, but Sean Payton knows he would have come through in the.
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Colin Cowherd
Clutch anyway, later in that game when we needed it, you know, he didn't flinch. There's. There's a maturity and a moxie about him which, which I love. And I think it's contagious to the team. And when you have that at the quarterback position, your team knows you're in every game. And when you don't have it, that's pretty difficult because deep down in their belly, they know that that's not the case. And that's something, I mean, you notice with him this year especially and with this team. Yeah, there's a handful of teams I think are a year away from being really interesting. And I think the Chargers in Denver, in the same division, need one more draft. The Chargers have to get more weapons. And I would say, you know, Denver probably, I would say has to keep building their front seven. I mean, certain is so good at corner.
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Lavar Arrington
You think Denver has enough weapons? Because there's been games where they're under 250 yards.
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Colin Cowherd
So Franklin's a rookie receiver. He'll be fine. I like their tight ends and running back. Like, don't love. I've always been a huge Cortland Sutton fan. I think Mims is now becoming a star. He had that return which was really one of the stories of the game.
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Lavar Arrington
Explosive.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I think they're fine. Again, the stuff I think is you got your rush in, keep building that defense in front so you can go toe to toe with a better, you know, because listen, the AFC is about quarterbacks, so you got to get guys that make their quarterback uncomfortable. So, I mean, I think that's the way to win in the nfc. It's different. It's about rosters like Detroit's roster, Philadelphia's roster, Green Bay's roster. So I think when you build in the afc, it's about, okay, we're going to have to face Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow. How do we make their life less comfortable?
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah, you also got to keep up scoring with them. And my mock draft, which I haven't sent to Fox yet, it's not done. I have the tight end from Penn State, Tyler Warren.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah.
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Lavar Arrington
How good would he be? Sean Payton off.
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Colin Cowherd
That's a great call.
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Lavar Arrington
I mean, I don't know if he'll fall. Currently, Denver's at 23. Will Warren fall that far. I just love that guy's.
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Colin Cowherd
Tight ends are. I mean, even Brock Bowers didn't go top five and he's one of the great. He may be the best tight end out of college ever. Ever.
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Lavar Arrington
He's up there, certainly. And tight ends, it's a huge weapon.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, tight ends generally struggle as rookies because it's the first time they're asked to block. I mean, even Kincaid year two, and he was great. You're like, okay, Brock Bauer's second game as a pro, you're like, what am I watching? Yeah, I think Kyle Pitt still hasn't popped.
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Lavar Arrington
If you watch that Tyler Warren game.
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Colin Cowherd
Against USC, 17 catches.
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Lavar Arrington
I mean, I watched it. I need that guy.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, that was the one I was. Yeah, that was not tough.
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Lavar Arrington
Tough one for the Trojans. Next up ahead of last week's Niners Rams game, Debo Samuel posted on social media how frustrated he was about not getting the ball doubled down when talking to the media. And of course, he had a huge drop in that Thursday night loss to the Rams and Jerry Rice has called him out.
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Colin Cowherd
I would have been pissed at myself. I would have been pissed at the whole, you know, scenario. That ball that he dropped after you complain about not getting that many touches, you cannot drop the football because everybody is going to get down on you and they're going to come after you. It's almost the rule of football. If a wide receiver complains, he almost always the next week has a bad game or a bad drop. It is almost the golden rule of football. It's, it's, and it's interesting. It's the only position in football on a regular basis where players, even if you're in a winning streak, complain about touches. Running backs don't, tight ends don't. Quarterbacks don't mean. Justin Herbert's never thrown a tizzy fit because they ran the football more than passed early in the year. Receivers, that is the only position now in some cases, like A.J. brown and George Pickens, they are so influential that they do matter more. I mean, Pittsburgh's offense without George Pickens is pretty pedestrian.
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Lavar Arrington
So. So Debo. Our staff came up with a 6 drop since week eight, tied for second most in the league. That's suboptimal. I'm just like, I, I admit I was wrong on Deebo. I said there's no way you can get rid of him. They kept him. It's been a rough season. I don't think he'll be on the roster next year. If you, especially if you look at the Purdy stuff, but he's going to have a really good fit somewhere. I would assume someone from the Shanahan tree.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I can see Deebo's fast. That's a. That's a fascinating conversation because I can see an offensive coach now. I don't think McVay would go there, but I could see a McVeigh saying, oh, I could use Deebo. I think it's the right coach. Like, I could see Cliff Kingsbury saying, oh, in Washington.
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Nick Wright
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, we're not paying jaden Daniels for three years. I could absolutely get Debo seven touches. So you got Terry McLaren on the outside. I got Debo as a kind of a chess piece. So I could see. I could see when you're not paying your quarterback and you've got your star receiver and you got a couple edge rushers, it's like Debo's a fun chess piece.
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Lavar Arrington
After T. Higgins, Deebo is probably going to be the best guy on the market, right? What from.
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Colin Cowherd
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Lavar Arrington
Diggs, coming off the injury, he's going to have some value out of.
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Colin Cowherd
Higgins is the best guy. It's a weird. I don't know if you feel this way. I don't like free agent receivers because college football furnishes the NFL with 20 guys a year. But I think Deebo is a very unique player. And I could see. I think Washington and Cliff Kingsbury with Deebo is the fit.
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Lavar Arrington
I think that's great. It's better than mine. But if the Dolphins move off of Tyreek Hill, you get Mike McDaniel, Debo Samuel, he's a tough player. He translates well to cold weather, which Miami doesn't have a lot of. So in those games at the Patriots, at the jets, at Buffalo, you've got some. A tough guy in Debo who can do running and receiving. So I like that. But your Washington one's really damn good. Next up is Travis Hunter is fresh off the Heisman Trophy win. I know you love him and everybody's excited for him in the draft. Yesterday on Speak, Michael Irvin talked about how Hunter should not only demonstrate, demand the opportunity to play both ways, but he should be paid for playing both ways, too.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm Travis Hunter. All jokes aside, I'm putting it out right now. If you're not letting me play both ways, don't draft. I'm telling you, no, I'm playing both ways.
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Steve Covino
And in three years from now, y'all will show.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, on Sunday, my Monday to me.
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Steve Covino
You see what I'M saying I'm gonna play both sides.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm playing receiver. NDB show. Hey, otane my money to me.
- [37:59]
Steve Covino
That's what I'm saying.
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Lavar Arrington
He's a national treasure.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, listen, I, I get it. He's gonna go to a bad team. Let's say he goes to New England. I get, I get a lockdown corner. They have Gonzalez already, who's good. So I got two lockdown corners. And I would say, listen, I'm going to use you on return game and I'm going to try to get you six touches offensively. But I think it's really hard because I understand what Michael's saying. I mean, quarterbacks vacation with their wide receivers in the off season to get the timing down. The idea that you can have a part time star receiver, it's a tough ask. I think some quarterbacks can do it, but I think it's a tough ask.
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Lavar Arrington
Well, it's tough for him because he wants to be a wide receiver.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Lavar Arrington
That's where the huge money is. Sure, cornerbacks get paid, but not as much. I just, again, I'll go back to what I said yesterday. Like, let's say they're playing the jets and he's on the Patriots. You got to tackle Breece hall in space. You got to keep up with devonte Adams, Garrett Wilson and then, oh, by the way, go help get open against Sauce Gardner. I just, it just seems like way too tall of an order. I don't see it happening. But man, the kid is talented. Look at him as a receiver.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, no, he's. He is.
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Lavar Arrington
He's really good.
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Colin Cowherd
So our draft. And by the way, JMAC does this on your digital. You're very good at this. I'm gonna throw this out there. If the Raiders, if they sit there, the Raiders or the Giants go. We're gonna roll the dice and go with Darnold. You could get a.
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Lavar Arrington
You thought one of them would go Darnold over Shadour? I mean, all signs right now point to the.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I'm talking the second one. What if Shador is going to go number one? What if you're not into the Camyard backyard football stuff, you can get a lot for that. The Giants on into it.
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Lavar Arrington
Sam Darnold, tour of duty, number two in the Big Apple over Cam Ward.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, Brian Dabel, what he doesn't want is limited talent. He took a reckless. Josh Allen cleaned him up. If you were to say Darnold's best version of Darnold in the NFL isn't he kind of a poor man's Josh.
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Lavar Arrington
Allen playing so many games indoors now he's got to go outside.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, that's a good call.
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Lavar Arrington
That's a fair and again, like if Darnold flops or is it what he was in Minnesota, I think you're done. If you get Cam Ward, hey, we're going to build something. It's going to take a couple years. You got to give me some time here. Self preservation, right?
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Colin Cowherd
You know, like that's a good call. That's good. That was a good one for you. I got you on the Washington one. That was a good one by you. J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. I do think I'll talk about it coming up next, but it is, it is so weird when you have an NFL franchise that goes against everything you want from a winning franchise and they may be the best team in the league. The Eagles, that it. Just every time I watch that video of Nick Sirianni and the guy on the sidelines, that usually means somebody's getting fired and the team has a number three draft pick and instead Philadelphia could be the best team in the league. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and.
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Steve Covino
Hey, this is Lavar Arrington here from up on Game and listen, I want to talk to you about something very serious for a minute, all right? Something personal to me and right now something that should be personal to you as well. In our country, the hate is at an all time high and it's like we're going backwards. The hate is winning. We can't allow that, all right? It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate and it's enough. It's time for it to stop. We need to stop, regroup, change the momentum as a team, because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team. So let's act like it. And when a team can't get it together, what do you do? You call a timeout and that's what we need to do. Call a timeout against hate. Let's think about what we say and do and when we see hate, when we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong and hateful, we need to call it out. Imma call it out. You need to do the same thing. Visit Stand up to all hate.org to help and join me in calling for a timeout against hate by following at what's up with hate or posting the blue square emoji looks to close in.
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Lavar Arrington
On the single season rushing record as he leads the Eagles against the Commanders or the Vikings take on the Seahawks or other regional action. Check local listings for the game in your area. Only on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
So it should be noted that sports dominates television. The only little blip when it doesn't is like election time every four years, then elections for, you know, a month or two or three do very, very well. But sports still dominates. So Major League Baseball ratings up, NFL ratings up. I mean that's with Brady Manning and Brees retiring up, college football up, WNBA exploding. Everything's up. Everything's up except the NBA. And the floor has fallen out of the ratings. Why? Tonight is the Emirates NBA Championship Cup. Giannis sga. Zero buzz. They even put it in Vegas. The courts are all bright colors. No buzz. I'll watch it. But it's interesting. David Stern. People forget this. The NBA was in big trouble back in the late 70s. That's when I was a kid watching it. They used to put the NBA Finals on tape delay after the 11 o'clock news. I'm not joking. Tape delay. And then David Stern came in, a brilliant marketer, and he made it about the stars, the name in the back of the jersey and the name in the front. And it exploded. And the question is, what is Adam Silver done to spin it forward beyond kind of pampering the players, always taking their side? This is something that's spoken about in the NBA. Adam Silver, they made the referees young and hungry and it's poorly officiated. And we keep waiting for tweaks to the three point shot because it's a hard game to watch. This is where management comes in. I like Adam Silver. I think he's smart. All commissioners are smart. They all went to Cornell or an Ivy League school. That's not it. The question is this league, last year the Championship cup was big because LeBron was in it and the Lakers won it. This year they they have not figured out what to do post LeBron. So when Michael Jordan was huge and then left, they lost 50% of their ratings, look it up because they embrace guys. Marbury, Iverson, the public didn't really like. Well, the guys now to embrace are unbelievable talents. Wemby, Jokic, they don't really want to be faces of the league. They don't really have any interest. They're international guys. I mean, tonight, the two stars are from Greece and Canada, our domestic product, because Adam Silver has marginalized college basketball. Bad college basketball. Well, that's how you introduce American consumers to your players. That's why we all love the NFL, because we watch Baker Mayfield, we watched Sam Darnold, Aiden Hutchison, we watched all these guys in college on our favorite college programs. So by the time they get to the NFL, we're like, fans. We love them or we hate him because the NFL, Roger Goodell, puts his arms around college football. It's free marketing. For some reason, the NBA resents college basketball. And so talented guys now come from international or a G league that virtually nobody watches. So it takes you forever to get introduced to him. So I just. I think this is. It's very interesting. The league in the NBA's. David's. The late David Stern, the commissioner used to tell people privately, nobody watches us until the playoffs. And the NBA has not been like the NFL, this steady growth. And it's never been baseball, where it was the national pastime. If you take out Magic Bird, MJ, LeBron, Steph and Shaq, I'm not sure if you've ever. Has the league ever been close to baseball or football. It's had 5, 6, or 7 incredibly dynamic, often very personable players that we couldn't take our eyes off of. There's the Magic Bird rivalry. There's Kobe, there's Michael. There's Shaq's huge personality. There's crazy Steph Curry like we'd never seen. Guys shoot. There's LeBron James. So it's just. It's very interesting. You have the NBA elimination cup tonight, and I, you know, the championship game in Vegas, You've got stars, and there's absolutely no buzz. And so I think this is the job. I want to give Rob Manford a lot of credit in baseball. He got massive pushback from the purists on the defensive shift change and the pitch clock. And now he's considering another golden at bat. People say it's a shtick. I. I say it's innovation. And you know what? The first two moves paid off. Ratings, up attendance. I found myself last year watching more baseball than I have in a decade. So you got to do something here. I've, I've argued for a long time. I would make the three point shot. I would have the arc go into the bench. I would eliminate the corner three. I'd move it out a foot. I, I think it's too easy. There's too many threes. I don't want to watch 44 Threes. I want to see John Morant drive to the basket and dunk. I want to see Zion dunk and Edwards dunk. I want to see the athleticism. I don't want my most athletic guys pulling up from 28ft. That's the move I would make. Have that arc that goes all the way around. Have it go into the benches about 10ft from the corner. Eliminate. You can't defend. You can't defend anybody. There's just too many guys can shoot threes. So, I mean, listen, golf had to tiger proof courses. I mean, why do you think baseball got rid of the defensive shift? Because they wanted guys like Ohtani and Bryce Harper on base more. They were hitting smoking line drives to right field and the second baseman was out there. So we've done this time and time again. I'm not asking you to raise the rim to 12ft, but people tiger proof courses, baseball wanted their stars on base more. So they said, you can't have your infielders playing in the outfield. This stuff happens. If the NFL changes their catch rule during a Super bowl, it's okay to do that. J Mac, your thoughts? I'll be watching tonight.
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Lavar Arrington
I'm a big NBA guy, so I'll be watching tonight. This take probably won't be very popular, but I would argue that inside the NBA, the show that everybody loves has done more damage to the NBA in the last decade than anything. Forget about this woke and left and right. Yeah, inside the NBA goes on every week and just trashes players, trashes the style of play. Colin, you look at any other show, MLB Network, NFL Network, these shows that our network, we're all positive, we're excited, we're talking about the games. Inside the NBA, they just hammer the players. Charles Barkley's on tv. The Rockets are in the final four for that NBA cup. Oh, the Rockets don't know how to play basketball. They stink. They don't know what they're doing. What are you doing? You're damaging your product on a nightly basis. Hammering it. Colin. Globally, the NBA is fine. Much bigger sport globally than the NFL in America. Yeah, the ratings aren't great.
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Colin Cowherd
That's. How's it doing in like Iowa?
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Lavar Arrington
I could argue who cares? We're big in China.
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